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Stunner
07-08-2010, 11:45 PM
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STEIN_LINE_HQ: ESPN.com sources: Miami has agree to a trade with Minnesota that will send Michael Beasley to the Wolves. Link forthcoming

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ

DerekRE_3
07-08-2010, 11:46 PM
Another SF?

Fireworld
07-08-2010, 11:47 PM
I like it for MN.

SugeKnight
07-08-2010, 11:47 PM
****. i wanted the warriors to trade morrow for him :(

Sixerlover
07-08-2010, 11:47 PM
I like it for MN.

you don't even know what they traded :confused:

VRP723
07-08-2010, 11:47 PM
I like it for MN.

:laugh2: We don't even know the deal yet

td0tsfinest
07-08-2010, 11:48 PM
Another SF?

Imagine if Chambers was involved too.

xabial
07-08-2010, 11:48 PM
The #2 pick in the 2008 draft shunned like a dog because of the 'Big 3' and salary reasons.

AddiX
07-08-2010, 11:48 PM
****ing knew MN was the team screwing us over.

I hate Minny more than I hate Bron right now. None of there trades or moves make any sense for them.

DerekRE_3
07-08-2010, 11:49 PM
Imagine if Chambers was involved too.

:laugh2:

Sixerlover
07-08-2010, 11:49 PM
Oh nevermind just cap space and a 2011 2nd.

So.. a PLETHORA of 3's and 4's for Minny

cwilson21
07-08-2010, 11:49 PM
For 2011 2nd rounder.

ayuntalo
07-08-2010, 11:50 PM
If this is true..
There should be a petition to remove the wolves or it's gm from the NBA because they keep on making stupid moves and just being used by other teams

Melo15
07-08-2010, 11:50 PM
Good pickup for Minny, getting a guy with a lot of talent for basically nothing.

ripjhb18
07-08-2010, 11:50 PM
Another SF?

http://www.khaaan.com/

NastyRud
07-08-2010, 11:51 PM
If this is true..
There should be a petition to remove the wolves or it's gm from the NBA because they keep on making stupid moves and just being used by other teams

??? This is a medium risk / high reward for Minn...........had to make it medium risk as it looks like Miami has right to swap future 1st

Korman12
07-08-2010, 11:54 PM
a 2011 second rounder? really? Best move Kahn has made to date.

Stunner
07-08-2010, 11:55 PM
I remember Beasley didnt want to get drafted by Minny. lmao

Teeboy1487
07-08-2010, 11:56 PM
Good move for both teams.

tbone2171
07-08-2010, 11:56 PM
****ing knew MN was the team screwing us over.

I hate Minny more than I hate Bron right now. None of there trades or moves make any sense for them.

Haha...Haters gonna hate

ldc62
07-08-2010, 11:57 PM
Best move by Kahn.... we have a good moves streak going for Kahn: 1 [Previous was 1 (Wesley Johnson), but streak was broken quickly]

ayuntalo
07-08-2010, 11:58 PM
??? This is a medium risk / high reward for Minn...........had to make it medium risk as it looks like Miami has right to swap future 1st

Don't take it too literaly..a bit sarcasm on it..
But come to think of it..

Minnesota will not even be on the NBA map anytime soon..
While they are helping the Miami heat make a dynasty..
Oh snap it's on espn now..
I font feel this dream team will be good for the NBA

Ethix11
07-08-2010, 11:58 PM
This trade is going to turn into Brandon Knight for the HEAT.

kevcab021
07-08-2010, 11:58 PM
i think its stupid of the heat to trade him. i think with this years roster he would do good. personally i just think the heat didnt put him in good situations where he could play good.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-08-2010, 11:59 PM
If the wolves get the #1 pick or even a top 5 pick we are the luckiest franchise of all time.

J$mo0th_3o5
07-08-2010, 11:59 PM
This trade is going to turn into Brandon Knight for the HEAT.

:laugh2: Imagine.

Anyways I'm gonna miss Beasley. Good luck!

Ethix11
07-09-2010, 12:00 AM
Pat ******* Riley

mikedesi1004
07-09-2010, 12:01 AM
are you kidding me ?!? i dont understand why teams try to make good teams even better

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 12:02 AM
WOW! Miami has the right to swap 1sts next year!!!

theyre getting harrison barnes. lolwtf kahn

mynameismo
07-09-2010, 12:02 AM
So who did they actually trade for Beasley?

Was it someone named "Ricky"?

PHX2daDEATH
07-09-2010, 12:03 AM
oh man.. contract Minnesota right now please..they have to be the most pathetic franchise in sports..its a shame KG wasted his years there

robdizzle3
07-09-2010, 12:03 AM
This was a pretty good move by Mike, though it sucks for him, but he can get it going in Minny.

td0tsfinest
07-09-2010, 12:03 AM
If the wolves get the #1 pick or even a top 5 pick we are the luckiest franchise of all time.

I thought he was traded for a second round pick.

tbone2171
07-09-2010, 12:03 AM
PG: Rubio
SG: Johnson
SF: Beasley
PF: Love
C: Milicic

Trade Jefferson for somebody....

Super Bowl Homeboy!!

AddiX
07-09-2010, 12:04 AM
why the hell would MN do this? No one wanted Beas and somehow the heat convinced them to swap 1sts? wow

ZHawk1123
07-09-2010, 12:04 AM
Imagine if Chambers was involved too.

:facepalm:

XDanny
07-09-2010, 12:05 AM
DAT CAP SPACE. Good move for both squads.

mynameismo
07-09-2010, 12:06 AM
Hey, It could be worse.. Imagine if it was Rubio for Beasley. Uh oh..

The Dream
07-09-2010, 12:06 AM
please dont tell me theyre swappping 1sts

hugepatsfan
07-09-2010, 12:07 AM
Best move by Kahn.... we have a good moves streak going for Kahn: 1 [Previous was 1 (Wesley Johnson), but streak was broken quickly]

lol

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 12:08 AM
Another horrible trade.

You're telling me Michael Beasley's value is that of a 2nd round pick?

****ing ridiculous.

WSU Tony
07-09-2010, 12:09 AM
The only time the first rounders can be swapped is after the wolves have given their pick to the clippers.

Next year the Wolves will have a top 10 pick. It's the Wolves.
The year after the Wolves pick is unprotected but goes to the clippers.
The year after the wolves can keep their pick, they can't trade consecutive 1st rounders.
The year after is when Miami can swap picks....

tbone2171
07-09-2010, 12:09 AM
oh man.. contract Minnesota right now please..they have to be the most pathetic franchise in sports..its a shame KG wasted his years there

Shame that Steve Nash wasted all those years in Phoenix..They're certainly never going to win a championship.

BOX

40oz
07-09-2010, 12:09 AM
Looked at his contract, teams option next year. So waisting a 2nd is worse case senario. Good risk for a 2nd pick of a draft.

fishfan79
07-09-2010, 12:09 AM
great deal for minn, Beasley will be stud up there getting 20/10 just watch.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-09-2010, 12:11 AM
Why the **** are people saying Minny is stupid? Beasely is gonna do great over there.

ldc62
07-09-2010, 12:11 AM
PG: Rubio
SG: Johnson
SF: Beasley
PF: Love
C: Milicic

Trade Jefferson for somebody....

Super Bowl Homeboy!!

4 guys who haven't proven anything... very solid!

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 12:12 AM
Wait.

You're telling me Minny and Miami are going to swap picks next year?

Kahn cant be that stupid.

WSU Tony
07-09-2010, 12:13 AM
Can you guys honestly rip the Wolves for trading a second round pick for a guy drafted number two overall a mere two years ago?

WTF is wrong with you "NBA" fans? You don't know **** about the NBA, all you know is, "the topic is Minnesota, lets rip them."

WSU Tony
07-09-2010, 12:13 AM
here.


Wait.

You're telling me Minny and Miami are going to swap picks next year?

Kahn cant be that stupid.


The only time the first rounders can be swapped is after the wolves have given their pick to the clippers.

Next year the Wolves will have a top 10 pick. It's the Wolves.
The year after the Wolves pick is unprotected but goes to the clippers.
The year after the wolves can keep their pick, they can't trade consecutive 1st rounders.
The year after is when Miami can swap picks....

ldc62
07-09-2010, 12:14 AM
It better be a 2nd rounder....

40oz
07-09-2010, 12:15 AM
Wait.

You're telling me Minny and Miami are going to swap picks next year?

Kahn cant be that stupid.

It changed? I read it as strait up.

Korman12
07-09-2010, 12:15 AM
Wait, people think they swapped firsts? It's Beasley for a 2nd round pick.

Link: Here (http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/8/1560300/michael-beasley-trade-timberwolves-heat)

loufor2
07-09-2010, 12:15 AM
Good deal for Minn. Micheal "drugz" Beasly has some potential.

WSU Tony
07-09-2010, 12:15 AM
The only time the first rounders can be swapped is after the wolves have given their pick to the clippers.

Next year the Wolves will have a top 10 pick. It's the Wolves.
The year after the Wolves pick is unprotected but goes to the clippers.
The year after the wolves can keep their pick, they can't trade consecutive 1st rounders.
The year after is when Miami can swap picks....

GSW Hoops
07-09-2010, 12:15 AM
Minnesota may be the only franchise that makes worse trades than the Clippers.

td0tsfinest
07-09-2010, 12:15 AM
Hey, It could be worse.. Imagine if it was Rubio for Beasley. Uh oh..

Rubio might just jump on the next plane out of Spain if that was the deal.

JOSKOMANG4
07-09-2010, 12:17 AM
The official trade is Beasley to the Wolves for a 2011-2012 2nd rd pick. Also, 2011 draft, the wolves & heat have agreed to swap picks!

tbone2171
07-09-2010, 12:19 AM
4 guys who haven't proven anything... very solid!

Glad you agree

psdking
07-09-2010, 12:20 AM
finally a great move for the wolves

Sixerlover
07-09-2010, 12:21 AM
The official trade is Beasley to the Wolves for a 2011-2012 2nd rd pick. Also, 2011 draft, the wolves & heat have agreed to swap picks!

No they didnt. Not in 2011.

qbanheatfan
07-09-2010, 12:21 AM
Official Trade goes as follows:

Heat: get 2011 2nd rd pick and wolves future 1st round pick

Timberwolves: Get Beasley and Heat's future 1st round pick

Wow Heat get cap space and possible top ten lottery pick in return...good job Riley only thing that could of been better would of been getting Ricky Rubio

Sixerlover
07-09-2010, 12:22 AM
Are any of you reading WSU Tony's explanation of the deal before you rip the Wolves? Swapping a pick in 2014 isn't grounds to rip Kahn some more. This is one of his better deals (IF WSU Tony's explanation is accurate).

Sadds The Gr8
07-09-2010, 12:22 AM
he's not coming to Toronto? :dance:

WSU Tony
07-09-2010, 12:24 AM
Are any of you reading WSU Tony's explanation of the deal before you rip the Wolves? Swapping a pick in 2014 isn't grounds to rip Kahn some more. This is one of his better deals (IF WSU Tony's explanation is accurate).

The ESPN link doesn't say anything about the swapping....

Even so, nothing specifies 2011 as the first rounders being swapped. Heck, it could be the WOLVES option to swap with the heat in a few years from now for absorbing Beasley's contract, we don't even know it's a Miami perk.

AddiX
07-09-2010, 12:26 AM
You guys who say MN got a deal realize that they are most likely giving up a top 10 pick by doing this deal right?

I can't for the life of me understand how Riley convinced them to do this. No team in the NBA would even think of trading for Beasley before. Yet MN(who looks like will continue to suck) is swapping 1st rounders for him.

This is unbelievable, does MN make any trades to help themselves?

zambo4president
07-09-2010, 12:28 AM
How does this make sense for Minnesota? Beez doesn't play PG...

cwilson21
07-09-2010, 12:30 AM
Love all of the unintelligent comments in here. I guarantee in 2014, probably the earliest date in which we'll be able to swap picks, we will not be a lottery team.

ldc62
07-09-2010, 12:30 AM
I take it back. This is a horrible trade.

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5365794)


The Miami Heat have found a trade taker for Michael Beasley...

Minnesota, according to sources, will complete the trade by sending Miami a second-round pick in 2011. The Wolves and Heat, sources said, have also agreed to swap an unspecified future first-round pick.

Does Kahn realize the Heat will be competing for a championship for the next 6+ years? So unless its in 2018 this is a terrible move. I bet its only top 5 protected too, not even lottery protected.

xabial
07-09-2010, 12:32 AM
I see a Minny 1st rounder as gold.
A miami 1st rounder is Trash

AddiX
07-09-2010, 12:32 AM
I'm guessing MN has more trades coming, they always do. I feel bad for MN fans, they don't even know who to root for.

_KB24_
07-09-2010, 12:33 AM
imagine for al jefferson

brandonwarne52
07-09-2010, 12:35 AM
We root for idiots like you to get the education you require

UNETOWNBAYAREA
07-09-2010, 12:35 AM
wow future 1st pick.. unprotected?....

87twins91
07-09-2010, 12:35 AM
As someone earlier stated. It won't be a swapped pick next year. Picks in the NBA are almost ALWAYS protected. Meaning, if we suck, like the T-Wolves usually do since the Post-KG years...it means they get to keep their pick.

T-Wolves owe the Clippers a 1st RD pick. BUT it's PROTECTED again. Check this link.
http://www.hoopdata.com/salaries/min.aspx

If T-Wolves finish worse than 10th...they keep the pick. BUT in 2012, the pick is unprotected. Meaning that the Clippers will most likely get the pick that year. And Wolves should actually be on the 'upswing' by then.

Rubio should be in the NBA, Beasely might be doing alright by then...he's 21...if he 'works' at it...the guy is 24-10 waiting to happen. I doubt many NBA GM's/Coaches would doubt that.

Wes Johnson, Martell Webster, and Corey Brewer offer 3 6'7"/6'8" wing defenders. Brewer also will have 2 years to add some weight.

K-Love, Petrovich, and Darko (if he amounts to more than he has shown) will be 2 years better and well...still the oldest will be Darko at 27 years old.

Add the 2011 1st RD pick (likely top 5 pick)...

And maybe Nemanja Bjelica might end up being something special...

he's a bit on him.

Nemanja Bjelica
6'10" 210
22 years old...

Strengths: Hits the 3 with range, passing vision, footwork in the post, 6'10" point guard/forward, blocks shots, 80% FT shooter, also averaged 2 steals per game overseas. Very good court sense/awareness (basketball IQ).

Weaknesses: turnover prone (almost 4 per game), slow first step, not strong, not really quick (maybe Toni Kukoc type)

Hit 5 3's in this game...a long two...showed some post moves...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaZxUU0KTKA&feature=related

9 min clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_us25grH1M&feature=related

short clip exhibiting passing ability...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_d5ThA9nyY&feature=related

deep 3 in the face of a guy...a few good passes...
http://www.youtube.com/user/sparski#p/u/26/KkhezjHklDk

This is the profile of Mike Taylor who played with Nemanja Bjelica the year before last (when Nemanja Bjelica was only 20) and Bjelica was the best player on the team. Taylor averaged 6 ppg for the Clippers last year.

Profile: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3461
Dunk of Taylor's while playing with Bjelica the year before: http://www.youtube.com/user/sparski#p/u/96/zz2IA2ENZQI

87twins91
07-09-2010, 12:37 AM
Don't forget Al Jefferson is still an asset...

Not far fetched to think he can command a mid level to all star level SG/SF...

or an expiring contract and a 1st RD pick (or two)

ldc62
07-09-2010, 12:38 AM
Why is the swapping of 1st rounders even necessary? Thats what I dont get. I realize it won't be the pick next year, but if you're Kahn, you have to realize that Riley WANTS to get rid of Beasley badly. If anything the Wolves should get Beasley and a future pick for their 2nd rounder.

jodydavis
07-09-2010, 12:38 AM
Love all of the unintelligent comments in here. I guarantee in 2014, probably the earliest date in which we'll be able to swap picks, we will not be a lottery team.

Really? are you sure? How many times has MN been in the lottery since they came into the leauge? I don't exactly see Beasley bringing a winning attitude up north. He might get his points but they will be loosing by 20 against most teams.

mynameismo
07-09-2010, 12:38 AM
I see a Minny 1st rounder as gold.
A miami 1st rounder is Trash

This

THE MTL
07-09-2010, 12:44 AM
The only time the first rounders can be swapped is after the wolves have given their pick to the clippers.

Next year the Wolves will have a top 10 pick. It's the Wolves.
The year after the Wolves pick is unprotected but goes to the clippers.
The year after the wolves can keep their pick, they can't trade consecutive 1st rounders.
The year after is when Miami can swap picks....

1. There are no details on the protection of the pick....so it might not be lot protected.

2. They are not trading consecutive first rounders here. Just swapping them. Knicks did this in Jeffries trade: 2011 swaps and 2012 protected pick.

WillisLovechild
07-09-2010, 12:44 AM
If this is true..
There should be a petition to remove the wolves or it's gm from the NBA because they keep on making stupid moves and just being used by other teams

Sounds like a good deal to me for the Wolves.

Kevj77
07-09-2010, 12:48 AM
If the wolves get the #1 pick or even a top 5 pick we are the luckiest franchise of all time.There will be some kind of lottery protect for a couple years. It's actually a fairly common.

40oz
07-09-2010, 12:53 AM
One thing i've noticed is Minn been stacking there deck, almost time for them to go fishing with some of them cards and make the foundation begin to harden.

Lindystud36
07-09-2010, 12:55 AM
Wolves made out like bandits here, beasley can be a legit 4 with love and darko at the 5, wes johnson at the 3, flynn at the 2 and rubio at the point, thats a team rightthere

But Miami would still beat them with just three players

brandonwarne52
07-09-2010, 12:57 AM
Actually, I'd guess long term:

Rubio-Johnson-Beasley-Love-Milicic/Pekovic

OT Thriller
07-09-2010, 12:58 AM
Wtf is with all the Minnesota bashing? This is a great trade for the Wolves. IMO, the Wolves will be a solid team soon and a reason for that will be because of trading for Beasley (who not too long ago was a NUMBER 2 OVERALL PICK). The guy got a raw deal in Miami and never recovered from his mental breakdown. He got overwhelmed with the situation in Miami and desperately needs to start over. Minnesota is the perfect place for him. Its not a distracting city for a young player like Beasley and it will get him back in the mindset he had in college where he dominated the league.

Dont you remember the days where he dominated at Kansas State. That talent doesnt just disappear! Expect it to return in Minnesota as he starts a new. The Heat got a good deal dont get me wrong. But the deal worked great for both teams. Great job Kahn, Beasley will be a game changer for your team and when Rubio comes to the NBA, watch out for the Wolves.

87twins91
07-09-2010, 01:01 AM
It's a proteced pick fellas. It hasn't been announced, but in the Timberwolves history NEVER ONCE have they traded a 1st RD pick that WAS NOT protected.

here's a link with a bunch of examples of protected picks. It's VERY common in the NBA.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/2010.htm

NOTE: EVERY SINGLE TRADE INVOLVING A DRAFT PICK THIS PAST YEAR WAS A "PROTECED" DRAFT PICK...teams ALWAYS put protection on...maybe good advice for some of you guys :p

Suns — Traded Stephon Marbury, Anfernee Hardaway, Cezary Trybanski to Knicks for Antonio McDyess, Maciej Lampe, Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward, rights to Milos Vujanic, 2004 first round pick (#16-Kirk Snyder), first round pick (protected top 25 in 2006, top 24 in 2007, top 23 in 2008, top 22 in 2009, unprotected 2010) (2010 #9-Gordon Hayward), $3M cash on 2004-01-05

Grizzlies — Traded Javaris Crittenton, 2015 conditional second round pick (?-?) or $350K cash (Grizzlies option) in a 3-team trade with Hornets, Wizards for 2008 protected first round pick (top 19 in 2008, top 16 in 2009, top 14 in 2010-12, top 12 in 2013, else 2014 second round pick) (2010 #12-Xavier Henry) on 2008-12-10

Wizards — Traded rights to Juan Carlos Navarro to Grizzlies for first round pick (protected top 19 in 2008, top 16 in 2009, top 14 in 2010-12, top 12 in 2013, else 2014 second round pick, $1M cash) (2010 #12-Xavier Henry) on 2007-08-16

Bucks — Traded Hakim Warrick, Joe Alexander, Bucks option to swap 2010 first round picks (Bulls pick top 10 protected) (#17-Kevin Seraphin) to Bulls for John Salmons, Bucks option to swap 2010 first round picks (Bulls pick top 10 protected) (#15-Larry Sanders), 2011 second round pick (?-?), 2012 second round pick (?-?) on 2010-02-18

Timberwolves — Traded rights to Ty Lawson to Nuggets for first round pick (protected top 12 in 2010, top 10 in 2011, top 8 in 2012, top 3 in 2013, unprotected in 2014) (2010 #16-Luke Babbitt) on 2009-06-25

Bulls — Traded John Salmons, Bucks option to swap 2010 first round picks (Bulls pick top 10 protected) (#15-Larry Sanders), 2011 second round pick (?-?), 2012 second round pick (?-?) to Bucks for Hakim Warrick, Joe Alexander, Bucks option to swap 2010 first round picks (Bulls pick top 10 protected) (#17-Kevin Seraphin) on 2010-02-18

76ers — Traded Kyle Korver to Jazz for Gordan Giricek, less favorable of Jazz 2009 first round picks (protected top 22 in 2009, top 15 in 2010, top 17 in 2011, top 16 in 2012, top 16 in 2013, else 2014 second round pick, $1.15M cash) (2010 #23-Trevor Booker) on 2007-12-29

Timberwolves — Traded 2010 second round pick (protected top 55 in 2010, extinguished thereafter) (not exercised) to 76ers for Rodney Carney, Calvin Booth, first round pick (protected top 22 in 2009, top 17 in 2010, top 15 in 2011, top 16 in 2012, top 16 in 2013) (2010 #23-Trevor Booker), cash considerations on 2008-07-09

Grizzlies — Traded conditional second round pick (?-?), $3.796M trade exception to Nuggets for Steven Hunter, first round pick (protected top 14 in 2010-11, top 10 in 2012-15, unprotected in 2016) (2010 #25-Dominique Jones), cash on 2009-08-07

Thunder — Traded 2009 second round pick (protected top 55 in 2009, extinguished thereafter) (#57-Emir Preldzic), $9M trade exception to Suns for Kurt Thomas, 2008 first round pick (#24-Serge Ibaka), 2010 first round pick (#26-Quincy Pondexter) on 2007-07-20

Nets — Traded Jason Kidd, Malik Allen, Antoine Wright to Mavericks for Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop, Trenton Hassell, Maurice Ager, Keith Van Horn, 2008 first round pick (lottery protected) (#21-Ryan Anderson), 2010 first round pick (#27-Jordan Crawford), $3M cash considerations on 2008-02-19

Grizzlies — Traded Pau Gasol, 2010 second round pick (#43-Devin Ebanks) to Lakers for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, rights to Marc Gasol, first round pick (protected top 3 2008-11, unprotected in 2012) (2008 #28-Donte Greene), 2010 first round pick (top 6 protected) (#28-Greivis Vasquez), cash on 2008-02-01

blastmasta26
07-09-2010, 01:01 AM
Beasley in Minny? Interesting, I don't know how he fits with Love and Johnson but I think a change of scenery could benefit him.

LakersIn5
07-09-2010, 01:01 AM
why do it heat????beasley is much more than a 2nd round pick. why not just trade him for a C or PG or bench players? why trade him for basically nothing?

beasley is so underated!! he aint that bad 15 ppg??? its not his fault that he cant be a premier no.2 option for a playoff team. people just expected too much from him being picked no.2.. who the hell told the heat to pick beasley? it aints beasleys fault. 15 ppg is still nice.. and beasley would fit with the heat right now considering that he doesnt need to be the 2nd or even the 3rd option. he can be a pretty solid no.4 option on a playoff team.

dolfan720
07-09-2010, 01:03 AM
hes a PF

Agent008
07-09-2010, 01:08 AM
I don't get it for the Heat? Unless they get to swap first rounders next year, it doesn't make sense. Couldn't Miami have swapped Beasley for some role players to put around their big 3?

ldc62
07-09-2010, 01:14 AM
I don't get it for the Heat? Unless they get to swap first rounders next year, it doesn't make sense. Couldn't Miami have swapped Beasley for some role players to put around their big 3?

They need cash... trading for role players do NOTHING

ldc62
07-09-2010, 01:15 AM
why do it heat????beasley is much more than a 2nd round pick. why not just trade him for a C or PG or bench players? why trade him for basically nothing?

beasley is so underated!! he aint that bad 15 ppg??? its not his fault that he cant be a premier no.2 option for a playoff team. people just expected too much from him being picked no.2.. who the hell told the heat to pick beasley? it aints beasleys fault. 15 ppg is still nice.. and beasley would fit with the heat right now considering that he doesnt need to be the 2nd or even the 3rd option. he can be a pretty solid no.4 option on a playoff team.

They need the money to be able to sign those 3 guys + Miller. Quite frankly I would take any of those 4 over Beasley.

Tragedy
07-09-2010, 01:15 AM
I like Beasley, but unfortunately it made sense to trade him here.

Kakaroach
07-09-2010, 01:16 AM
Good move by Minny if they end up trading Big Al for other pieces. Only part I don't like is switching the first rounders. I really think the Heat would have done this deal without that part anyway.

JiffyMix88
07-09-2010, 01:25 AM
does anybody know if the heat recieved the bag of chips yet?

badkins1121
07-09-2010, 01:25 AM
I GUARANTEE it is the WOLVES choice to swap picks and it can be stretched out to 7 years. A lot can happen in those 7 years.

Cracka2HI!
07-09-2010, 01:32 AM
I like this for the Wolves. He can be the athletic PF they need next to Love and Jefferson if they keep him. Beasley should do well in the midwest. Maybe get his head on straight like he had in college.

ldc62
07-09-2010, 01:40 AM
I GUARANTEE it is the WOLVES choice to swap picks and it can be stretched out to 7 years. A lot can happen in those 7 years.

I hope so...

The Raven
07-09-2010, 03:38 AM
So i assume he's going to play SF then

Cano4prez
07-09-2010, 04:18 AM
I don't get it for the Heat? Unless they get to swap first rounders next year, it doesn't make sense. Couldn't Miami have swapped Beasley for some role players to put around their big 3?

We get a 5m TPE, and Mike Miller is replacing Beasely. :win:

Slapnutz Inc.
07-09-2010, 04:55 PM
The Wolves dont have to swap 1st round picks for 7 years, not bad for the #2 pick in 08. Pipe down haters. And the Knicks fans, WTF? Why cry to MInny fans about LeBron not picking you, or the Wolves picking Rubio ahead of you. There's a good chance the Wolves field a better team than you as early as this season. STAT can only do so much without Nash. Who is your PG again? Wolves got Flynn, Sessions and Rubio. My Eddie Curry figures out his low post game.:cheers:

eric1501
07-09-2010, 05:25 PM
The Wolves dont have to swap 1st round picks for 7 years, not bad for the #2 pick in 08. Pipe down haters. And the Knicks fans, WTF? Why cry to MInny fans about LeBron not picking you, or the Wolves picking Rubio ahead of you. There's a good chance the Wolves field a better team than you as early as this season. STAT can only do so much without Nash. Who is your PG again? Wolves got Flynn, Sessions and Rubio. My Eddie Curry figures out his low post game.:cheers:

:facepalm:

eric1501
07-09-2010, 05:35 PM
Out of a lineup that consists of this:

Jonny Flynn
Wes Johnson
Michael Beasley
Kevin Love
Darko Milicic

Who is going to be the scoring leader?

I am almost willing to guarntee Beasley leads our team in scoring next year. Assuming we don't get anyone too amazing from Jefferson trade more than likely a filler, cap space and 1st rounder. I am going to go out on a limb and say B-Easy's stat line will be 22 points and 7 rebounds a game in his first year in Minnesota.

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 05:39 PM
****ing knew MN was the team screwing us over.

I hate Minny more than I hate Bron right now. None of there trades or moves make any sense for them.

totally. Cause adding the #2 pick in the 2008 draft, a 15/7, 21 year old PF for a 2nd rounder makes no sense....

Hype
07-09-2010, 05:40 PM
Knicks are hating on the Wolves? Why? They could have just traded us Lee and gotten it overwith, it's their own faults. Sorry, but the Knicks are not going to be better then last year. Their GM looks like a cigar.

Hype
07-09-2010, 05:41 PM
Beasley will be an absolute beast in MN, all this for Mike Miller. Do the Heat know that he barely even started for the Wolves? This could easily go down as the best trade in the history of the NBA. Besides Jermaine O' Neal to the Pacers right before he hit his prime. And Webster for Babbit of course :)

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 05:42 PM
The only time the first rounders can be swapped is after the wolves have given their pick to the clippers.

Next year the Wolves will have a top 10 pick. It's the Wolves.
The year after the Wolves pick is unprotected but goes to the clippers.
The year after the wolves can keep their pick, they can't trade consecutive 1st rounders.
The year after is when Miami can swap picks....

post this one more time, I didn't get it...

Hype
07-09-2010, 05:42 PM
....too bad the Lakers are gonna win it again anyways.

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 05:44 PM
Out of a lineup that consists of this:

Jonny Flynn
Wes Johnson
Michael Beasley
Kevin Love
Darko Milicic

Who is going to be the scoring leader?

I am almost willing to guarntee Beasley leads our team in scoring next year. Assuming we don't get anyone too amazing from Jefferson trade more than likely a filler, cap space and 1st rounder. I am going to go out on a limb and say B-Easy's stat line will be 22 points and 7 rebounds a game in his first year in Minnesota.
:laugh2:

If Michael Beasley were capable of doing that, Miami wouldn't have traded him for a 2nd round pick. Once you read this, I want you to let that go through your mind. Miami obviously feels that they gave him all of the opportunity he needed, but he isn't going to be that legit starting Forward they expected him to be as the #2 pick. Him averaging 22/7 is ridiculous. I know you're a fan but dont become a homer. I like you.

Michael Beasley unfortunately is going to a team where they are stacked with forwards. Without an actual order of succession, meaning without a proven star player, That means there will be plenty of guys taking bad shots because they dont have to give the ball to specific players. Beasley is going to be fighting for touches with the T'Wolves.

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 05:45 PM
Knicks are hating on the Wolves? Why? They could have just traded us Lee and gotten it overwith, it's their own faults. Sorry, but the Knicks are not going to be better then last year. Their GM looks like a cigar.

you missed last year at this time, when the Wolves stole their possession, Ricky Rubio. They have been hating ever since

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 05:47 PM
:laugh2:

If Michael Beasley were capable of doing that, Miami wouldn't have traded him for a 2nd round pick. Once you read this, I want you to let that go through your mind. Miami obviously feels that they gave him all of the opportunity he needed, but he isn't going to be that legit starting Forward they expected him to be as the #2 pick. Him averaging 22/7 is ridiculous. I know you're a fan but dont become a homer. I like you.

Michael Beasley unfortunately is going to a team where they are stacked with forwards. Without an actual order of succession, meaning without a proven star player, That means there will be plenty of guys taking bad shots because they dont have to give the ball to specific players. Beasley is going to be fighting for touches with the T'Wolves.


nobody denies Beasley has underachieved to date. I have argued this for a long time. But you won't find me any rational and intelligent fan, that doesn't think Beasley could be a 20+ scorer, to go along with 8-9 rebounds a game.
And Jefferson will be traded. So between Beasley, Love, Pekovic, and Milicic, there will be 30+ minutes a night for Beasley.

What is your beef with the Wolves? Are you actually Adrian Wochowhatever from Yahoo?

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 05:47 PM
post this one more time, I didn't get it...
Who Will Have Minnesota's 1st Round Pick?

2010: Wolves
2011: Clippers
2012: Wolves
2013: Heat


There you go.

Wolves have a 4 year window to keep Miami from drafting Andre Drummond with the #1 Pick in 2013.

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 05:50 PM
Who Will Have Minnesota's 1st Round Pick?

2010: Wolves
2011: Clippers
2012: Wolves
2013: Heat


There you go.

Wolves have a 4 year window to keep Miami from drafting Andre Drummond with the #1 Pick in 2013.

I don't think Kahn and company believe the Wolves will be a lottery team in 2013 brother. And neither do I.

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 05:51 PM
nobody denies Beasley has underachieved to date. I have argued this for a long time. But you won't find me any rational and intelligent fan, that doesn't think Beasley could be a 20+ scorer, to go along with 8-9 rebounds a game.
And Jefferson will be traded. So between Beasley, Love, Pekovic, and Milicic, there will be 30+ minutes a night for Beasley.

Jefferson hasn't been traded as of yet. You're talking about "fantasy" scenarios with your post. Im sure if all of the stars align in the night then maybe Beasley could average 22/7 next season, but those stars haven't aligned yet.

Secondly, there are plenty of players who could be a 20+ scorer. What it comes down to is the opportunity. You're creating an ideal opportunity in your head to project the stats you do for Beasley.

Just had to clear this up.


What is your beef with the Wolves? Are you actually Adrian Wochowhatever from Yahoo?

I have no beef with the T'Wolves. I just get pleasure out of seeing controversial/questionable moves made by your management and watching fans like yourself and the guy I've got a sig bet with defend these moves.

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 05:53 PM
I don't think Kahn and company believe the Wolves will be a lottery team in 2013 brother. And neither do I.

Kahn may not even be GM in 2013. Im just adding on, nobody knows what will happen in 2013.

The T'Wolves didn't think they would be a lottery team in 2010 back in 2006, did they? :cool:

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 05:57 PM
Jefferson hasn't been traded as of yet. You're talking about "fantasy" scenarios with your post. Im sure if all of the stars align in the night then maybe Beasley could average 22/7 next season, but those stars haven't aligned yet.

Secondly, there are plenty of players who could be a 20+ scorer. What it comes down to is the opportunity. You're creating an ideal opportunity in your head to project the stats you do for Beasley.

Just had to clear this up.



I have no beef with the T'Wolves. I just get pleasure out of seeing controversial/questionable moves made by your management and watching fans like yourself and the guy I've got a sig bet with defend these moves.


so you are of the percentage that is not intelligent if you don't think Beasley is easily capable of 20 ppg.
And of course until something happens, Jefferson is a Wolve. But he is gone dude.

And these moves are defended by me personally, because you get posters with minimal to no knowledge of the Wolves organization making irrational posts. I am defending them because not a single poster here knows what Wesley Johnson will become. Yet he is being judged. Beasley was the #2 pick for a reason. He is very, very physically talented. He is physically capable of being a top 20 player. Will he? Probably not, not with his head not on straight. But he can be somewhere in between.

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 05:58 PM
Kahn may not even be GM in 2013. Im just adding on, nobody knows what will happen in 2013.

The T'Wolves didn't think they would be a lottery team in 2010 back in 2006, did they? :cool:

what is your point?

Impulse
07-09-2010, 06:00 PM
I think we're going to see a better Michael Beasley next season. His growth was getting hindered at Miami where he would be instantly benched for Haslem upon making a mistake. Best of luck to him.

Wolves fans are going to say they robbed the Heat, but when you acquire LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh, you don't really have a need for a guy who is still learning how to play at the SF position and takes a lot of shots.

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 06:01 PM
so you are of the percentage that is not intelligent if you don't think Beasley is easily capable of 20 ppg.
And of course until something happens, Jefferson is a Wolve. But he is gone dude.

Almost everybody in the NBA is capable of 20 PPG if you give them enough touches. So you're point is irrelevant. Beasley could average 20 PPG, but it all depends on the starting opportunity given, the touches hes given, and the system in place.


And these moves are defended by me personally, because you get posters with minimal to no knowledge of the Wolves organization making irrational posts. I am defending them because not a single poster here knows what Wesley Johnson will become. Yet he is being judged. Beasley was the #2 pick for a reason. He is very, very physically talented. He is physically capable of being a top 20 player. Will he? Probably not, not with his head not on straight. But he can be somewhere in between.

:cry:

Now do you want a tissue?

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 06:01 PM
what is your point?

You cant be too sure of your future 4 years ahead when you're already picking in the Lottery.

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 06:02 PM
its amazing to me that there is so much hate on Kahn, when any serious fan knows drafts take a couple years to mature. He was given a roster with bloated deals and average players. He has a roster with an average age of 22 now, young talent, the best young PG in Europe stashed, was able to take the #2 pick of the 2008 draft due to cap space he created, has multiple, flexible deals with young players, and a good staff and coaching crew.
Even the most die hard Wolves fan will and should question his moves. That is what fans do. But he hasn't really made a bad one yet. He has made a number of unknowns however, and the casual fan, or the impatient fan has a problem with this. So be it

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 06:03 PM
Almost everybody in the NBA is capable of 20 PPG if you give them enough touches. So you're point is irrelevant. Beasley could average 20 PPG, but it all depends on the starting opportunity given, the touches hes given, and the system in place.



:cry:

Now do you want a tissue?

nah, I am good. I have dealt with plenty of non educated posters on PSD. Talk to ya later homes

97NYer
07-09-2010, 06:06 PM
Will he play the 3? What about Johnson? Will he play the 4? What about Jefferson/Love? They could do this I guess

Flynn
Johnson
Beasley
Jefferson
MILICIC(LMFAO)

Love

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 06:06 PM
nah, I am good. I have dealt with plenty of non educated posters on PSD. Talk to ya later homes

:laugh2:


This guy here......

JWO35
07-09-2010, 06:09 PM
Will he play the 3? What about Johnson? Will he play the 4? What about Jefferson/Love? They could do this I guess

Flynn
Johnson
Beasley
Jefferson
MILICIC(LMFAO)

Love

lol
Darko, is beast son....he was taking 2nd overall for something :eyebrow:

XxigglesphanxX
07-09-2010, 06:34 PM
beasley could completely rejuvenate his career there, or where ever he gets good pt. back in mia plays werent even run for him. he got no minutes and he actually did pretty good while he was out there

Oefarmy2005
07-09-2010, 06:48 PM
:laugh2:


This guy here......

You are seriously clueless man, and for the record, Hawkeye is one of the most knowledgeable and respected wolves fans on this forum.

I don't agree that anybody can score 20+ points given time:

1) There are not that many 20+ point scorers in the league, even when they play 40 minutes a game. When KG averaged 20+, there were maybe 5 players behind him and he was usually in the 7-12 range in scoring, which tells me that there are 15 20+ point scorers in the league in any given season and 90% of them play over 36 minutes per game.

2) Kahn has made some very very questionable moves this season, especially with our later draft picks. Once again, while I believe the Wolves could have had Darko for a million less, there were some much worst contracts signed this offseason - so to all the people who say they are not hating on the Wolves - then stop talking trash about us and go talk to the bucks and whoever else signed some big men worst then Darko for 6.5+ million a year.

3) As far as Beasley being able to average 20+ points. The system the Wolves are planning on playing depends on fast break points, perimeter passing and open shots in the lane. While Beasley is not a great outside shooter, he is more than capable of running and scoring in the lane as well as dropping an open jumper.

Oefarmy2005
07-09-2010, 06:57 PM
Also Rowe, here is my objective, I believe, take on the Wolves:

1) We got screwed in the draft - again.

2) At pick #4, Wes Johnson was the right pick.

3) Trading Babbit for Webster was a pretty good move. It's not as good if Webster doesn't start.

4) Trading the 23 pick for 30 and 35 was a decent move.

5) Picking Hayward with the 30 was dumb IMO, but maybe the FO sees something I don't.

6) Both of the Wolves 2nd round picks were better than almost all other teams. We got some very talented euros that we don't have to bring over for a while.

7)Putting Al on the block so early was dumb IMO, so his value went down by that. However, with the FA going the way it has, his value is back up to where it was before. There are teams that are hurting for a good PF/C and Al is the best available right now.

8) The Beasley trade was good for both teams. It's not a steal since Miami brought in some serious firepower to their team. I would give a 2nd rounder for Beasley any day. Also, as far as I hear, the Wolves get to pick when they swap picks and have 7 years to do so which is that bad IMO, barring they stay a lottery team for the next 7 years offcourse.

9) Rubio is coming over next year, and from all that I've seen so far, he'll be pretty good.

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 07:31 PM
:laugh2:


This guy here......

you made a sig bet that a starting center in the NBA being played 25+ minutes a night won't get a total of 5 games with 12/8/2. Are you kidding me?

You are saying that taking Beasley, a #2 pick in the 2008 draft, and a player who even though hasn't figured it out yet, and still averages 15/7, while swapping picks (and we still don't know who gets to choose the swap, worst case scenario for the Wolves is swapping picks in 2013), is a bad deal.

You will have to pardon me for questioning your intelligence.

Do you have a twitter feed with the words Timberwolves and Kahn coming in, so you can run to PSD and comment or start a bash thread? Cause I have seen nothing but you calling them the dumbest team, and him the worst GM on this site. Learn about the team and the trades dude, and you won't come off so uninformed.

Omar Little
07-09-2010, 07:32 PM
Damn this is ridiculous! i wish the Bulls would have gone after Beasley. He's kind of a tool, but he still has potential, and it would have been nice to end up with the top 2 picks from that draft.

Hawkeye15
07-12-2010, 07:58 PM
Just to finalize this thread, the Wolves acquired Beasley for 2nd round picks in 2011, and 2014. No 1st round picks were involved. Complete rape by the Wolves.
However, for what is created for Miami, I doubt you find any Miami fans complaining.

WSU Tony
07-12-2010, 08:27 PM
Where is R_O_W_E now? Oh, he was banned.

The cream always rises to the top!

ATX
07-12-2010, 08:35 PM
Just to finalize this thread, the Wolves acquired Beasley for 2nd round picks in 2011, and 2014. No 1st round picks were involved. Complete rape by the Wolves.
However, for what is created for Miami, I doubt you find any Miami fans complaining.

Nope, no complaints here. I find it rather funny and ironic that Beasley ended up on your team. If I remember correctly, you weren't his biggest fan. I hope he does well for your Wolves and you resign him.

SwaggaIke
07-12-2010, 08:44 PM
There's absolutely no risk in this move for the Wolves. They flipped a couple of 2nd's for a future 20 10 guy. If Mike can somehow grasp the concepts of the triangle offense I think his talents could blossom. Beasley had two productive seasons on a team where he was forced to pick and flare on 80% of his touches. Miami just wasn't the right place for him. He could really turn his game up in a free flowing system with a longer leash. I expect big things from him this season.

shizzle09
07-12-2010, 08:45 PM
****. i wanted the warriors to trade morrow for him :(

I freaking wish, that would have been awesome!

Hawkeye15
07-12-2010, 08:46 PM
Nope, no complaints here. I find it rather funny and ironic that Beasley ended up on your team. If I remember correctly, you weren't his biggest fan. I hope he does well for your Wolves and you resign him.

its not that I am not a fan of his, but I continually argued that he underachieved, and did not fill the role Miami wanted him to fill. I argued that many in his draft class has outplayed him to this point, which still stands.
But I am not naive enough to realize he is 21, and still possesses a lot of talent, and can still become a very good player in the NBA. Will he? The odds are against him, but to give up nothing for a 15/7 player who is 21, and was widely regarded the best talent in the draft 3 years ago, is a great deal for Minnesota.
I really hope he has been working on his SF skills.

jrodmesche
07-12-2010, 09:54 PM
im gonna miss Beasley hes gonna kill it with the wolves hes gonna be a 20 8 guy