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Kdirt
07-08-2010, 09:49 PM
David Lee has agreed to a six-year, $80 million deal with the Warriors via a sign-and-trade.

http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/18079923232

jetsfan89
07-08-2010, 09:51 PM
based on the details of the trade its a nice trade for both teams.

asandhu23
07-08-2010, 09:51 PM
Good Luck in New York, Randolph, Azubuike and Turiaf. thank you for your years in Cohan's hell hole

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 09:54 PM
GREAT deal both ways.

MacFitz92
07-08-2010, 09:58 PM
Should fit well in GS.

SugeKnight
07-08-2010, 10:01 PM
still cant believe we gave up randolph. i cant say that i dont like lee however

Giantwarrior
07-08-2010, 10:02 PM
ehhh..... its a fair trade based on players but.


i really didnt want the warriors to pay D-Lee 80 million. geeezzzes

jetsfan89
07-08-2010, 10:02 PM
so the knicks frontcourt will be

SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Anthony Randolph

not bad. hopefully my nets and the knicks can get better. basketball in the tri state area is at a low right now.

KnicksorBust
07-08-2010, 10:04 PM
so the knicks frontcourt will be

SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Anthony Randolph

not bad. hopefully my nets and the knicks can get better. basketball in the tri state area is at a low right now.

That's a pretty bad *** front line especially for a Mike D offense. We desperately need that PG though.

jetsfan89
07-08-2010, 10:05 PM
That's a pretty bad *** front line especially for a Mike D offense. We desperately need that PG though.

felton is pretty talented. you could also get tony parker.

LakersDudeee
07-08-2010, 10:07 PM
New York Knicks forward David Lee got some good news, once LeBron James announced his intention to join the Miami Heat.

Lee's agent, Mark Bartelstein, told ESPN.com that Lee had agreed to a sign-and-trade worth $80 million dollars over six years with the Golden State Warriors.


Lee
The deal will send Lee to the Warriors for Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Kelenna Azubuike among others.

Knicks GM Donnie Walsh has coveted Randolph for years and feels he'd give the team another long, athletic forward to pair with Amare Stoudemire and Danilo Gallinari in the frontcourt.

A number of other teams including the Raptors, Suns, Timberwolves and Nets had made pitches to Lee in the past several days.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine.


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5364903

KnicksR4Real
07-08-2010, 10:07 PM
Good times lee.... Appreciate everything

ldc62
07-08-2010, 10:08 PM
I like the move but Lee is worth 13 mill?

TheAkronHammer
07-08-2010, 10:08 PM
felton is pretty talented. you could also get tony parker.

Not without Lee we cant.

Giantwarrior
07-08-2010, 10:08 PM
is lee actually worth 80million? geeezes.

the Warriors alway overpay. they are pathetic. i think this move is going to hurt us 3 years down the road.

BkOriginalOne
07-08-2010, 10:08 PM
Cool Hand Luke is their target.

Giantwarrior
07-08-2010, 10:09 PM
I like the move but Lee is worth 13 mill?

NO, He's worth 10mil for 6 years.

Rakim the God
07-08-2010, 10:10 PM
Randolph is a stud

dre1990
07-08-2010, 10:10 PM
Azubuike is a very underrated player for NY

netsgiantsyanks
07-08-2010, 10:11 PM
NO, He's worth 10mil for 6 years.

its 13-14 million dollars for 6 years its a 80 million dollar deal

Oefarmy2005
07-08-2010, 10:12 PM
The Knicks win in this trade for sure. 80 million for Lee is too much IMO. And just think about it, they could have just traded Randolph for Love to Minny and had a player better then Lee for 5 million per year.

49GiantWarriors
07-08-2010, 10:13 PM
I wanted to see Curry and Randolph as a duo on the Warriors, but I will probably never see that.

TheKid510
07-08-2010, 10:14 PM
New York is gonna like Azubuike, very solid player

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 10:14 PM
NO, He's worth 10mil for 6 years.

name one player this off season who got what he's worth....

The_Mac22
07-08-2010, 10:14 PM
so the knicks frontcourt will be

SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Anthony Randolph

not bad. hopefully my nets and the knicks can get better. basketball in the tri state area is at a low right now.

LOL @ Randolph playing C.

NYKnickFanatic
07-08-2010, 10:15 PM
LOL @ Randolph playing C.

I know, wtf? lol

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 10:16 PM
LOL @ Randolph playing C.

x2

mikedesi1004
07-08-2010, 10:16 PM
Best of luck to david lee

jetsfan89
07-08-2010, 10:20 PM
:shrug: i thought he was a C

whatever.

KnicksorBust
07-08-2010, 10:22 PM
I like Raymond Felton too. Him and Randolph are both young players with untapped potential. Randolph especially. I also think Felton has another gear in him. However, for some reason Amar'e wants Luke Ridnour instead to be our PG. Oh and I'm dying to know why Anthony Randolph couldn't be our center? He's 6'10, blocks a shitload of shots and apparently has bulked up to 240lbs.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 10:22 PM
:shrug: i thought he was a C

whatever.

u thought way wrong.... he was compared to Lamar Odom coming into the league.

x_notorious
07-08-2010, 10:25 PM
I like this move for the Warriors. Gives them a legit big man in Lee to play along with Monta and Curry.

NYY NYJ NYK
07-08-2010, 10:25 PM
Thanks for everything Lee

Best of luck

Niro
07-08-2010, 10:26 PM
randolph came into the league being a pf/sf. he played center last season bevause of nelson ****ed up system (how about a lineup of curry/cj watson/ellis/maggette/randolph)

he is a stud and will be a beast at pf

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 10:26 PM
I like Raymond Felton too. Him and Randolph are both young players with untapped potential. Randolph especially. I also think Felton has another gear in him. However, for some reason Amar'e wants Luke Ridnour instead to be our PG. Oh and I'm dying to know why Anthony Randolph couldn't be our center? He's 6'10, blocks a shitload of shots and apparently has bulked up to 240lbs.

you'll have plenty reasons to tell you why when you get to see him play night in night out.

Size isn't everything.

PatelJ1010
07-08-2010, 10:28 PM
wow so Warriors Perspective do we now trade Biedrins now and Plug David Lee at the Center Position (Very Undersized 6'9) ...

NOW:
C: Biedrins (Dan Gadzuric as Backup)
PF: Lee (Wright 1st backup and Ekpe Udoh 2nd)
SF: Morrow (Williams 1st backup and Vlad Rad 2nd)
SG: Ellis (Charlie Bell)
PG:Curry (C.J Watson backup)

If we trade Biedrins to Denver:
C: Lee
PF: Wright (K-Mart)
SF: Morrow
SG: Ellis (J.R Smith)
PG: Curry

Big Quett
07-08-2010, 10:32 PM
LOL @ Randolph playing C.

Yeah i mean isnt he like 200 pounds and 6'11? I remember he weighed in at 196 lbs at the draft combine....lol
But in that system if he stays healthy he can kill. But in 2 years he hasnt proved he can tho.

papisupremo
07-08-2010, 10:33 PM
warrior fans, you guys are gonna love dlee, no homo...im kinda mad to see him go, correction, im very upset to see him go, but somewhat excited to get randolph since he;s supposed to have great potential. who am i kidding, nba is dead to me after tonite until game 1 of lakers v heat next june

Niro
07-08-2010, 10:37 PM
Yeah i mean isnt he like 200 pounds and 6'11? I remember he weighed in at 196 lbs at the draft combine....lol
But in that system if he stays healthy he can kill. But in 2 years he hasnt proved he can tho.

he is at 240

robbnen#31
07-08-2010, 10:39 PM
so the knicks frontcourt will be

SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Anthony Randolph

not bad. hopefully my nets and the knicks can get better. basketball in the tri state area is at a low right now.



:shrug: i thought he was a C

whatever.

He was drafted as a small forward, he played some center last year when the Warriors didn't have any healthy centers and was pushed around. He had a decent game against Dwight Howard but that was simply due to AR being quicker than Howard. Do keep in mind Devean George and Maggette played some minutes at center for Nelson. AR is probably best fit to play the 4.


warrior fans, you guys are gonna love dlee, no homo...im kinda mad to see him go, correction, im very upset to see him go, but somewhat excited to get randolph since he;s supposed to have great potential. who am i kidding, nba is dead to me after tonite until game 1 of lakers v heat next june

He has a ton of potential but don't sleep on Azubuike. If he can come back from his knee injury he was putting up close to 15 a game. He can play the 2 or 3, and was one of the better defenders the Warriors had. Not to mention I believe he was 3rd in the league in 3 pt% a year ago. Turiaf is Turiaf, great guy, he's really a player you can't hate and brings a ton of emotion and energy to the court.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 10:39 PM
**** this ****.

Why would we do this deal? There is still no answer. We overpay David Lee and give up a prospect with a high upside.

I dont like this move at all.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 10:40 PM
he is at 240

being a warriors fan who has seen him play for his first two season in the league have you seen anything that makes you believe that he can play C night in and night and contribute positively?

NYYCowboys
07-08-2010, 10:41 PM
Loved D-Lee, but I think this is a HUGE haul for him, and I'm very happy about it. Lee will be playing in a similar system in GS, but I think he was mostly a product of Mike D's system, and while he would definitely be solid anywhere else he's there's no way he is worth that much, and being able to get a future star in Randolph, along with two solid role players (Turiaf and Azubuike) AND a 2nd round pick (which I expect to be a high one) is just great for the Knicks IMO. But I wish D-Lee well he really is a class act.

robbnen#31
07-08-2010, 10:44 PM
being a warriors fan who has seen him play for his first two season in the league have you seen anything that makes you believe that he can play C night in and night and contribute positively?

no chance

hype707
07-08-2010, 10:47 PM
warriors are going to beat the Heat in the finals

Lo Porto
07-08-2010, 10:48 PM
The report says Randolph, Turiaf, Buike "among others". Who else was in this deal?

danbuc0101
07-08-2010, 10:52 PM
he is at 240

Hes at 225 actually

jresty1
07-08-2010, 10:56 PM
The knicks should sign Iverson to a 1 year deal and sees what happens

Niro
07-08-2010, 10:58 PM
The report says Randolph, Turiaf, Buike "among others". Who else was in this deal?

nba.com says the 2011 second round pick

zambo4president
07-08-2010, 11:00 PM
Warriors got ****ing raped, do you guys really not see that? Azu has so much potential and can reallllly fill it up, I cannot believe they let him go in this deal. I can see Randolph for Lee (Which I feel is still a GSW loss) I can see throwing in Turiaf, but Azu too? I guess we will see just how good David Lee really is this season.

Slimsim
07-08-2010, 11:01 PM
Knicks Get Anthony Randolph, Kaleena Azubuke, Ronnie Turiaf for David lee did this trade make the Knicks better ?

Lakers4ItAll
07-08-2010, 11:01 PM
Yes

bleedprple&gold
07-08-2010, 11:02 PM
Yes, David Lee was gone anyway, so getting something for him obviously makes the team better.

zambo4president
07-08-2010, 11:05 PM
Knicks raped em HARD. Knicks could actually make some noise as a 7th or 8th seed this season, bring in Felton to run the point and you got
Felton
Chandler
Gallo
Amare
Randolph

With Azu, Turiaf providing a spark off the bench. I really like the way they are shaping out, especially with D'antoni calling the shots.

AddiX
07-08-2010, 11:05 PM
We needed talent, and we got it. The way the east is shaping up we need to be athletic and we need to run A LOT to win. That's what this trade offers us.

danbuc0101
07-08-2010, 11:05 PM
Warriors got ****ing raped, do you guys really not see that? Azu has so much potential and can reallllly fill it up, I cannot believe they let him go in this deal. I can see Randolph for Lee (Which I feel is still a GSW loss) I can see throwing in Turiaf, but Azu too? I guess we will see just how good David Lee really is this season.

Azubuike is a solid player off the bench but he doesnt have much potential left really. Hes gonna be 28 years old soon sooo potential whys hes pretty much peaked at a solid role player who can come in and give you energy off the bench and play no defense.

td0tsfinest
07-08-2010, 11:06 PM
I think they did. I'm a big fan Azibuke and Anthony Randolph. The knicks are just missing a PG/play maker.

SA5195
07-08-2010, 11:07 PM
Yes.

Randolph's one of my fav, I wanted Randolph to be in a Raps uniform for a while lol. :drool:

pd7631
07-08-2010, 11:07 PM
Yes. Turiaf is a good role player, who will do the dirty work. Azubuke is a solid scoring option off the bench, and can thrive in D'Antoni's system. Randolph has loads of potential and will fit in nicely in the Knicks offense.

This trade was important for the Knicks to start building a team around Amare. If they can land a solid starting PG, they will have a good foundation in place....especially if they acquire Melo next offseason. However, if they come up empty again next July, they could end up in serious trouble given the fact that they have basically said **** draft picks with their moves the last couple of years.

zambo4president
07-08-2010, 11:08 PM
Azubuike is a solid player off the bench but he doesnt have much potential left really. Hes gonna be 28 years old soon sooo potential whys hes pretty much peaked at a solid role player who can come in and give you energy off the bench and play no defense.

Yeah I realized potential wasn't the best word after I posted that, but he's got some game in him how bout that? Azu in D'antoni's offense should increase his numbers considerably.

xbrackattackx
07-08-2010, 11:09 PM
I like it for the knicks.

NYFanatic81
07-08-2010, 11:10 PM
Felton-----Sign ?
Chandler
Gallo
Amare
Randolph

TD DONT FORGET EDDIE CURRY
Bill Walker
Turiaf
AZZZZ
James(Rookie)
Rautins(Rookie)
Fields(Rookie)

Solid YOUNG Key word for knicks been a long time since they were a young team....I dont want to see them blow the load on a Crazy trade and blow our$$$ unless it was something you couldnt pass up like melo, cp3 etc...
But i wouldnt mind some more young bodies that can play

ANY GOOD TRADE IDEAS ??????????

Lo Porto
07-08-2010, 11:10 PM
I think the Knicks will try to dump Turiaf and his non expiring contract. I wouldn't be surprised if NY tried to lock up Al Jefferson and Felton or Ridnour using their remaining cap space.

When Curry comes off the books next year, NY will be looking very strong for Melo.

97NYer
07-08-2010, 11:10 PM
Like all three and hope they can make an impact as players or as trade assets...we want MELO.

GSXR6KING
07-08-2010, 11:10 PM
I like the trade, with Amare's signing, Lee was a goner. Knicks CAN make some noise but really........???? It's gonna come down to Miami, Boston, Chicago & Orlando...Let's just hope for Carmelo next year....Anyone hear anything about T.Parker or C.Paul possibly coming to NY?

BYBLOS88
07-08-2010, 11:10 PM
it was a good deal but i feel they still need a true big center!

xbrackattackx
07-08-2010, 11:12 PM
I like it, I think the knicks made out like bandits. Randolph and Bukie have potenial. and Big T is a hustle Center.

Silent
07-08-2010, 11:12 PM
knicks got great value fro lee

Laker Legend42
07-08-2010, 11:16 PM
Heck no. Amare is NOT a great rebounder and he'll find out just how important Steve Nash was to his sucess.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:16 PM
it was a good deal but i feel they still need a true big center!

they really aren't that much out there

danbuc0101
07-08-2010, 11:18 PM
Yeah I realized potential wasn't the best word after I posted that, but he's got some game in him how bout that? Azu in D'antoni's offense should increase his numbers considerably.

Well, azubuike played in the same system as the knicks so i wouldnt look at any increase in numbers. Id actually look for a decrease considering hes coming off a really nasty knee injury and will take him a while to get back to normal. And the last report wasnt good and said he was still feeling the effects of the injury so well see. Im not bagging on him either azubuike was by far my favorite warriors over the past 3 or 4 years until curry came along. And watching him go down the way he did last year sucked and watching him go is gonna hurt also.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:18 PM
Heck no. Amare is NOT a great rebounder and he'll find out just how important Steve Nash was to his sucess.

WTF does that have to do with the GS trade. They were going to lose Lee without a doubt. Nash or no Nash Amare is still a quality player and is going to do well. Maybe not as good as he would with Nash but he'd still be an All-Star.

bkmikeyy
07-08-2010, 11:19 PM
Knicks don't really need a true center in Mike's system, and athletic front court of Randolph and Amare could be very solid for them. No more 6-9 Lee and 6-8 Harrington, Knicks got abused in the paint last year.

TD
Walker/AZ
Gallo/Chandler
Amare/Turiaf
Randolph/Curry/Jerome Jordan

Sounds like a pretty exciting team that could sneak into the playoffs, maybe a few moves still coming. Got plenty of money left this summer and another 11 mill next summer. I'd like Ridnour if he can come cheap.

dayreezy
07-08-2010, 11:19 PM
if these 3 guys can stay healthy then NY u made out like bandits... and this is coming from a dubs fan... buike can stroke it anywhere and slash to the hoop... turiaf is a monster energy spark of the bench bloking shots like nothing.. and randolph has tremendous upside if he works at it and wants it... look at him to be ur starting pf with amare ur 5...

Oefarmy2005
07-08-2010, 11:20 PM
Definitely, they got more than value for Lee and also screwed GS in the process. The 80 million dollar contract for Lee is rediculus IMO.

Kyben36
07-08-2010, 11:22 PM
what does this mean for Melo, is he out of the picture in NY ????,

Oefarmy2005
07-08-2010, 11:22 PM
Knicks don't really need a true center in Mike's system, and athletic front court of Randolph and Amare could be very solid for them. No more 6-9 Lee and 6-8 Harrington, Knicks got abused in the paint last year.

TD
Walker/AZ
Gallo/Chandler
Amare/Turiaf
Randolph/Curry/Jerome Jordan

Sounds like a pretty exciting team that could sneak into the playoffs, maybe a few moves still coming. Got plenty of money left this summer and another 11 mill next summer. I'd like Ridnour if he can come cheap.

Randolph is a very good prospect, but don't kid yourself about playoffs, at least not with Tony Douglass as the PG. Maybe if you trade for Parker, that'd be a borderline playoff team.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Warriors got ****ing raped, do you guys really not see that? Azu has so much potential and can reallllly fill it up, I cannot believe they let him go in this deal. I can see Randolph for Lee (Which I feel is still a GSW loss) I can see throwing in Turiaf, but Azu too? I guess we will see just how good David Lee really is this season.


Yeah we got raped.

Too bad you cant cant tell that to ignorant Warriors fans. They think David Lee is the missing piece to a Warriors dynasty.

Facepalm isnt enough for this. You need both hands.

I have accepted that the Warriors might just collectively have the most ignorant fans in the NBA. Its hard to believe the stuff I read in our subforum. It makes me sick.

Oefarmy2005
07-08-2010, 11:23 PM
One lesson for New York. Don't put all of your eggs in one basket. I wouldn't put any money on Melo going to the Knicks. It's possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath, we all saw what happened this year.

5+7=DYNASTY!!!
07-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Hopefully the Knicks can find a PG and I think we can make a little nosie.

The Dream
07-08-2010, 11:25 PM
what does this mean for Melo, is he out of the picture in NY ????,

i dont know what gave you that idea

danbuc0101
07-08-2010, 11:26 PM
Randolph is not a center and if you put him there your just gonna get negative effects. Knicks fans need to stop putting him there. He should be a pf, so in the knicks case backing up amare. You are gonna cont. to suck if you have amare and randolph in the paint for most of the game. If you think its gonna work, well i can tell you first hand it wont because the warriors gave up the most points in the league last year.

Laker Legend42
07-08-2010, 11:27 PM
WTF does that have to do with the GS trade. They were going to lose Lee without a doubt. Nash or no Nash Amare is still a quality player and is going to do well. Maybe not as good as he would with Nash but he'd still be an All-Star.The question was does the trade make them better. I say no. True David Lee was gone anyway but my point is Amare won't make up for the rebounds Lee pulls down and neither will the other additions. I agree that Amare is a quality player but he drops to just above average by himself. Remember he was in PHX along with Joe Johnson and Marion and they got nowhere near the playoffs.

Bornknick73
07-08-2010, 11:27 PM
We just got younger taller faster stronger in one move. And they all play solid defense. We traded draft picks? This squad looks like we didnt miss any. I am very happy with this trade. Turiaf looks like my new Oakley. Hes nasty and fiery.

Im impressed with this trade. Monta as a pure SG i woulda loved but i guess they want to see what happens with Melo or CP3 before they lock into a backcourt.

blastmasta26
07-08-2010, 11:28 PM
Randolph is not a center and if you put him there your just gonna get negative effects. Knicks fans need to stop putting him there. He should be a pf, so in the knicks case backing up amare.
Amare is not really a Center either, and positions don't matter as much with D'Antoni. Gallo, Randolph, and Amare can be our frontcourt, no true center in that group but it can work.

Kyben36
07-08-2010, 11:28 PM
i dont know what gave you that idea

isnt randoplh more of a SF ???,

Avenged
07-08-2010, 11:28 PM
Good move for the Knicks.

Oefarmy2005
07-08-2010, 11:28 PM
I think the Knicks may be pretty good. I forgot that Felton is still out there and if the Knicks sign him and maybe give Iverson a try at SG, they may be a decent team this year.

nico916
07-08-2010, 11:31 PM
great trade the knicks got three players who are going to do great in that system and its going to be an easy transition for them being that they came from the same kind of up and down system. they got two players with long term potential now all they need is a pg who can run that show.

maynevent
07-08-2010, 11:31 PM
Randolph is a very good prospect, but don't kid yourself about playoffs, at least not with Tony Douglass as the PG. Maybe if you trade for Parker, that'd be a borderline playoff team.

obviously you havent watched the knicks last year. TD is a promising point who could very well run the knicks offense. i for one was a little disappointed in this trade as i was hoping we could trade lee for al jefferson, i think that would give us two very solid big men to compete in the east or i was hoping for monta ellis but now that i look at it this trade definitely will make the knicks better because randolph has loads of potential and he will learn a ton from amare being around him. i still think it is very important to resign tmac because tmac playin 25-35 minutes a game can be a very solid tmac without his knees getting in the way

Chronz
07-08-2010, 11:31 PM
:shrug: i thought he was a C

whatever.

With Amare around its not your fault.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:36 PM
The question was does the trade make them better. I say no. True David Lee was gone anyway but my point is Amare won't make up for the rebounds Lee pulls down and neither will the other additions. I agree that Amare is a quality player but he drops to just above average by himself. Remember he was in PHX along with Joe Johnson and Marion and they got nowhere near the playoffs.

making it too the play offs would be an improvement for the Knicks. Amare surely won't make up for the rebounds but the trade certainly made them better. How in the hell does he drop to above average?

Sigh..... did you look at Amare play in his rookie season?

He was better than about average then.... he'll just prove you wrong as a Knick.

danbuc0101
07-08-2010, 11:36 PM
Amare is not really a Center either, and positions don't matter as much with D'Antoni. Gallo, Randolph, and Amare can be our frontcourt, no true center in that group but it can work.

No it cant work which is what im trying to get at. The warriors have tried this experiment plenty of time with many different players and it doesnt work. The run and gun system will only take you so far. You cant have amare and randolph start and expect to make the playoffs it wont happen. Espeacially without a good pg. Lets remember that amare is coming from a team where he pretty much fed off nash feeds. Randolph has a ton of potential but that doesnt mean hes reached it yet, hes still 20.

Slimsim
07-08-2010, 11:38 PM
No it cant work which is what im trying to get at. The warriors have tried this experiment plenty of time with many different players and it doesnt work. The run and gun system will only take you so far. You cant have amare and randolph start and expect to make the playoffs it wont happen. Espeacially without a good pg. Lets remember that amare is coming from a team where he pretty much fed off nash feeds. Randolph has a ton of potential but that doesnt mean hes reached it yet, hes still 20.

Crazier **** has happened Know one thought LBJ Wade and Bosh would be on the same NBA team but look what happen.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:41 PM
No it cant work which is what im trying to get at. The warriors have tried this experiment plenty of time with many different players and it doesnt work. The run and gun system will only take you so far. You cant have amare and randolph start and expect to make the playoffs it wont happen. Espeacially without a good pg. Lets remember that amare is coming from a team where he pretty much fed off nash feeds. Randolph has a ton of potential but that doesnt mean hes reached it yet, hes still 20.

Though the power may be shifting this is still the east we're talking about. They have some decent pieces. They'd do pretty well... they surely aren't done they no doubt have a lot of tweaking still to do.

danbuc0101
07-08-2010, 11:42 PM
making it too the play offs would be an improvement for the Knicks. Amare surely won't make up for the rebounds but the trade certainly made them better. How in the hell does he drop to above average?

Sigh..... did you look at Amare play in his rookie season?

He was better than about average then.... he'll just prove you wrong as a Knick.

Hes actually correct, without a good pass first pg amare is just an above average pf. With one he turns into one of the best players in the league. Hes not a dirk, lebron, wade type of player where he can just carry a team on his own. He needs a very good surrounding cast to excel and he doesnt have that right now.

dayreezy
07-08-2010, 11:44 PM
Yeah we got raped.

Too bad you cant cant tell that to ignorant Warriors fans. They think David Lee is the missing piece to a Warriors dynasty.

Facepalm isnt enough for this. You need both hands.

I have accepted that the Warriors might just collectively have the most ignorant fans in the NBA. Its hard to believe the stuff I read in our subforum. It makes me sick.

so gettin rid of 2 injury prone players and 1 devestating injured player who might not play the same for a proven 20/10 1 time all star is all bad... man i agree we gave up a lil to much for lee but u cant predict the future... no one knows how this is gonna play out... so to say the dubs got raped is straight ignorant... sound more like a hater then a fan...

Laker Legend42
07-08-2010, 11:45 PM
making it too the play offs would be an improvement for the Knicks. Amare surely won't make up for the rebounds but the trade certainly made them better. How in the hell does he drop to above average?

Sigh..... did you look at Amare play in his rookie season?

He was better than about average then.... he'll just prove you wrong as a Knick.I honestly hope you're right. Don't get me wrong I like Amare It just seems to me that his sucess depends on who's getting him the ball. You really can't go back to his rookie year before surgrey and he was full of spunk. He's a totally diffrent player now.

SugeKnight
07-08-2010, 11:46 PM
Yeah we got raped.

Too bad you cant cant tell that to ignorant Warriors fans. They think David Lee is the missing piece to a Warriors dynasty.

Facepalm isnt enough for this. You need both hands.

I have accepted that the Warriors might just collectively have the most ignorant fans in the NBA. Its hard to believe the stuff I read in our subforum. It makes me sick.

I cant believe our management would **** us over like that right before they leave. Seriously, Randolph was my second favorite player. I guess I should just go with the rest of them and be a Heat fan

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:50 PM
Hes actually correct, without a good pass first pg amare is just an above average pf. With one he turns into one of the best players in the league. Hes not a dirk, lebron, wade type of player where he can just carry a team on his own. He needs a very good surrounding cast to excel and he doesnt have that right now.

The only reason I'd understand anyone calling Amare just "above" average is because he lost a step after his surgeries and isnt the player he was 3-4 years ago. That being said he has shown that he can be effective without a pass 1st PG and also showed that he is(was) above average. Yes Nash helped him a great deal and unlike some of the other top PF's (Boozer, TD) he may not be able to get buckets on his own or crash the glass effectively he is still's far more than above average.

If Steve Nash is the sole real for Amare being as good as he has been then Nash should be the real G.O.A.T. because he really made that player better.

If you guys watched the game some more and stopped looking at just players stats and making stupid assumptions you'd realize that on the offensive end (good pg or not) Amare is still going to get his.

Dieselpi
07-08-2010, 11:51 PM
it helps but id like to see what donnie can do in the coming days to make a big splash. I dont think hes done by a long shot.

danbuc0101
07-08-2010, 11:51 PM
I cant believe our management would **** us over like that right before they leave. Seriously, Randolph was my second favorite player. I guess I should just go with the rest of them and be a Heat fan

Oh **** he was your second favorite, how could the managment do something like that. If your judging a trade off whether or not they trade your favorite players or not then, plz by all means join the heat bandwagon. You wouldnt be the first one today.

robbnen#31
07-08-2010, 11:55 PM
Well Knicks fans I'll tell you right now, if the Knicks make the playoffs while the Warriors are out of it. I will hope AR Buike and Turiaf do well.

Truheatfan
07-08-2010, 11:57 PM
great trade for both teams randalph is a stud in the making and lee is a double double machine and yes hes worth the money hes young is still getting better and highley underrated good move for both teams

danbuc0101
07-08-2010, 11:58 PM
The only reason I'd understand anyone calling Amare just "above" average is because he lost a step after his surgeries and isnt the player he was 3-4 years ago. That being said he has shown that he can be effective without a pass 1st PG and also showed that he is(was) above average. Yes Nash helped him a great deal and unlike some of the other top PF's (Boozer, TD) he may not be able to get buckets on his own or crash the glass effectively he is still's far more than above average.

If Steve Nash is the sole real for Amare being as good as he has been then Nash should be the real G.O.A.T. because he really made that player better.

If you guys watched the game some more and stopped looking at just players stats and making stupid assumptions you'd realize that on the offensive end (good pg or not) Amare is still going to get his.

Ok first off calm the **** down im not taking shots at your intelligence although if you'd like me to i could. Of course amare will easily get his, hes is the knicks entire team. Hes obviously going to put up the numbers. All im saying is he will not take them as far as you think he will because he does not have a supporting cast. Maybe if you just stopped being such a homer about knicks youd understand what im saying. I wasnt aware no one was aloud to criticize the knicks. The knicks are still putting there team together and probably wont be finished for a while. Hes a great player but without people around him hes not "far above average" hes above average. Im not saying nash is the whole reason he was great in phoenix, im saying he needs someone who is good pass oriented pg to bring him to the next level. So stop being so ignorant.

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 12:04 AM
so gettin rid of 2 injury prone players and 1 devestating injured player who might not play the same for a proven 20/10 1 time all star is all bad... man i agree we gave up a lil to much for lee but u cant predict the future... no one knows how this is gonna play out... so to say the dubs got raped is straight ignorant... sound more like a hater then a fan...


:laugh2:

I dont know when it will stop. David Lee will never be an All Star again.

Listen up random Warriors fan.

If David Lee was such a good player, why did NY not want to resign him? :laugh2:

This is the elephant in the room that you want to ignore. Everyone realizes Lee's numbers do not indicate what type of player he is. Lee is a solid player, but Lee is not a cornerstone. We're paying him like one.

jbadd
07-09-2010, 12:09 AM
Sorry but Randolph is nowhere near a "stud". This is coming from a season ticket holder who has seen every game randolph has played (road games on t.v. included). Yes he is a high energy player who will give you a few good plays a game (ie put back dunks, hit a couple jumpers in a row). But the flaws in his game outweigh his potential. I'm not saying he will never be good, but it will take a minimum of at least 3 years for him to really be a consistent contributor. Throw in the fact that Amare will dominate the ball especially in the post, it will hinder randolph's development even more.

Slimsim
07-09-2010, 12:10 AM
Ok first off calm the **** down im not taking shots at your intelligence although if you'd like me to i could. Of course amare will easily get his, hes is the knicks entire team. Hes obviously going to put up the numbers. All im saying is he will not take them as far as you think he will because he does not have a supporting cast. Maybe if you just stopped being such a homer about knicks youd understand what im saying. I wasnt aware no one was aloud to criticize the knicks. The knicks are still putting there team together and probably wont be finished for a while. Hes a great player but without people around him hes not "far above average" hes above average. Im not saying nash is the whole reason he was great in phoenix, im saying he needs someone who is good pass oriented pg to bring him to the next level. So stop being so ignorant.

you must be ****ing stupid Knicks have players GTFO.

jbadd
07-09-2010, 12:12 AM
Turiaf will be a decent defender and rebounder in spot minutes. But without a good passing point guard for the pick and roll he will be non-existent on offense. As far as buike goes i hated seeing him go. But truth be told he will never have the same explosiveness he had before the knee injury. It has been nine months since he injured and had surgery on that knee and he still has yet to fully recover.

Giants-49ers-Ws
07-09-2010, 12:13 AM
****in ******** warriors..why the **** did we trade randolph?!!! ****

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 12:19 AM
Oh **** he was your second favorite, how could the managment do something like that. If your judging a trade off whether or not they trade your favorite players or not then, plz by all means join the heat bandwagon. You wouldnt be the first one today.

keep cheering on david lee. it wont even take 2 seasons before we are begging to trade him and his stupid *** contract. 13.3 mil a year! how are they gonna even take that contract while the team is for sale?

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 12:20 AM
****in ******** warriors..why the **** did we trade randolph?!!! ****

i rather be a cavs fan now. at least theyre gonna get another superstar after they win the lottery

Lloyd Christmas
07-09-2010, 12:24 AM
Randolph won't play center. It will be like the suns squad where Stat is back to playing center and Randolph will play PF like Marion did. I am jealous of that frontcourt.

koreancabbage
07-09-2010, 12:25 AM
they have no defense at all on this line-up plus the fact their front court is pretty weak sauce. Amar'e is the only one that shines.

NYK needs another star wing player to carry the load or its gonna be a long season.

jbadd
07-09-2010, 12:27 AM
Wow...chris sheridan of espn compares this trade to when the knicks traded ewing for luc longley and glen rice. Says the only thing the knicks will chase with this roster is the new jersey nets for the worst record.

danbuc0101
07-09-2010, 12:27 AM
keep cheering on david lee. it wont even take 2 seasons before we are begging to trade him and his stupid *** contract. 13.3 mil a year! how are they gonna even take that contract while the team is for sale?

I will keep cheering on lee because hes now a warrior and im a warriors fan, unlike you. I dont like the trade either but whether i do or i dont it doesnt make a difference, its done. As much as everyone talks about how stupid the warriors management is they are all smarter then you and any one of us on here. I will not criticize the trade until im able to fully see the outcome of it and i wont be able to do that for a few more years and until then, im not saying anything. If you dont think this trade makes us a better team next year then once again, plz go join the heat because the warriors fan base doesnt need anymore ignorant fans.

UNETOWNBAYAREA
07-09-2010, 12:29 AM
:facepalm: 80 mill... Bidders had no say to this trade.. Cohan is still the top dog

AddiX
07-09-2010, 12:30 AM
We would be worse without the trade, so yeah, it helps us.

Who knows who is playing what position, we all know Mike plays guys out of position all the time. Lee was a center this year, nuff said.

sf-fanatic
07-09-2010, 12:30 AM
thread could use a poll

UNETOWNBAYAREA
07-09-2010, 12:31 AM
We needed a rebounder though and we got one.... Steph and Lee are 2 good pieces.. Hopefully beans rebounds from his down year

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 12:32 AM
i rather be a cavs fan now. at least theyre gonna get another superstar after they win the lottery


Dont worry at least we are trying. :facepalm:

**** Riley
**** Cohan
**** Nelson
**** Lee
**** Udoh

Thats how I feel. This **** is beyond ******** to me.

$13 Million for David Lee. Let that marinate.

Lee is a career loser and the Knicks knew he was going to get overpaid so they didnt even want him.

That is what these Warriors fans who like this deal wont admit. I hope to God that we somehow get the #1 pick next season. That is the only way to save this team.

danbuc0101
07-09-2010, 12:32 AM
you must be ****ing stupid Knicks have players GTFO.

PG: Toney Douglas, TBD.
SG: Wilson Chandler, Azubuike, Rautins.
SF: Gallinari, Bill Walker, Landry Fields.
PF: Stoudemire, Randolph.
C: Turiaf, Curry, Jerome Jordan.

Yea there players but there not gonna be doin much. If that roster stands there competing with the nets for the worst record in the eastern conference.

nystandup
07-09-2010, 12:34 AM
Golden State Warriors fans, you will love David Lee. Sad to see him go. When you get to watch him everyday you really respect his game.

nystandup
07-09-2010, 12:36 AM
PG: Toney Douglas, TBD.
SG: Wilson Chandler, Azubuike, Rautins.
SF: Gallinari, Bill Walker, Landry Fields.
PF: Stoudemire, Randolph.
C: Turiaf, Curry, Jerome Jordan.

Yea there players but there not gonna be doin much. If that roster stands there competing with the nets for the worst record in the eastern conference.

I'd say realistically the Knicks have a good shot at the final 3 spots for the playoffs.

omdigga
07-09-2010, 12:36 AM
we got better if you think adding depth, defense and trade options makes your team better.. if not than.. no we didnt..

HOZ THE KNICK
07-09-2010, 12:37 AM
we still have enough for another max next season so this deal is a stop gap.

nystandup
07-09-2010, 12:38 AM
we got better if you think adding depth, defense and trade options makes your team better.. if not than.. no we didnt..

agreed. it's not over yet, I'm sure we will be looking to sign Ridnour and Mike Miller if he doesn't go to the Heat.

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 12:39 AM
I will keep cheering on lee because hes now a warrior and im a warriors fan, unlike you. I dont like the trade either but whether i do or i dont it doesnt make a difference, its done. As much as everyone talks about how stupid the warriors management is they are all smarter then you and any one of us on here. I will not criticize the trade until im able to fully see the outcome of it and i wont be able to do that for a few more years and until then, im not saying anything. If you dont think this trade makes us a better team next year then once again, plz go join the heat because the warriors fan base doesnt need anymore ignorant fans.


:laugh:

You are an example of why Riley can make moves like this without worry.

I am tired of these ignorant Warriors fans who keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

People like you would justify trading Steph Curry for Matt Bonner.

GSW Hoops
07-09-2010, 12:39 AM
Getting rid of Turiaf is never a bad thing.

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 12:39 AM
Dont worry at least we are trying. :facepalm:

**** Riley
**** Cohan
**** Nelson
**** Lee
**** Udoh

Thats how I feel. This **** is beyond ******** to me.

$13 Million for David Lee. Let that marinate.

Lee is a career loser and the Knicks knew he was going to get overpaid so they didnt even want him.

That is what these Warriors fans who like this deal wont admit. I hope to God that we somehow get the #1 pick next season. That is the only way to save this team.

We will never get the number one pick if we keep getting players that will make us mediocre. now that we have lee we will probably be the 6th worst team instead of the fourth

justcallmetm
07-09-2010, 12:39 AM
the trade is up for debate the styles the teams play are similar so i wouldnt knock it till its in action. Will Lee be a all-star again will determine the pick and roll chemistry with curry and if they flourish the same numbers will be there since don nelson is the same chuck happy offense and d'antoni's

And well does it benifit the knicks at all will all determine if randolph can stay on the floor and gain weight since he is the main point in the trade his upside is comparable to a boney bosh and j.o'neal when they came into the league difference between both of them is o'neal rotted on the bench for 2-3 yrs before getting chucked to indiana to get burn and still washing out before the age of 32 and bosh took a yr or 2 to finally put it together also, randolph has had 2 yrs but 2 injury filled yrs can he put a full season together will be determined on his detemination if not his potential is a waste and like i always say over abused word potential means nothing if the person dont put the work in to harness it

nystandup
07-09-2010, 12:40 AM
:laugh:

You are an example of why Riley can make moves like this without worry.

I am tired of these ignorant Warriors fans who keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

People like you would justify trading Steph Curry for Matt Bonner.

You don't think Lee is better than Randolph?

nystandup
07-09-2010, 12:41 AM
IMO I think Randolph is over rated and that the Warriors got a player your gunna love in David Lee. If you don't want him we'll gladly take him back.

R_O_W_E
07-09-2010, 12:42 AM
Golden State Warriors fans, you will love David Lee. Sad to see him go. When you get to watch him everyday you really respect his game.


Should NY have given David Lee $13 Million per year as their Franchise player?

nystandup
07-09-2010, 12:43 AM
Should NY have given David Lee $13 Million per year as their Franchise player?

no, but who else were you gunna get?

danbuc0101
07-09-2010, 12:44 AM
:laugh:

You are an example of why Riley can make moves like this without worry.

I am tired of these ignorant Warriors fans who keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

People like you would justify trading Steph Curry for Matt Bonner.

Yes clearly im the ignorant one, bro ive been reading your posts all day and not one of them has made one ounce of sense. All you've done is sat there and called people "ignorant" with explanation for why and no clear basketball explanation with any of your post. Im sorry for everyone else out there reading his posts, were not that stupid in the bay area. But yes im the dumb one, your comparing this trade to curry for matt bonner, yea ok buddy. Do yourself a favor and stop talking, im starting to believe you dont even know what the word ignorant means.

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 12:45 AM
I will keep cheering on lee because hes now a warrior and im a warriors fan, unlike you. I dont like the trade either but whether i do or i dont it doesnt make a difference, its done. As much as everyone talks about how stupid the warriors management is they are all smarter then you and any one of us on here. I will not criticize the trade until im able to fully see the outcome of it and i wont be able to do that for a few more years and until then, im not saying anything. If you dont think this trade makes us a better team next year then once again, plz go join the heat because the warriors fan base doesnt need anymore ignorant fans.

No, Cohan is smarter than you because he's punkin you into thinking that its okay to trade studs with star potential for a chance to be average. You, my friend, are the ignorant one.

nystandup
07-09-2010, 12:47 AM
Just wait until the season starts and you'll be saying I told you so about Lee. He is a monster on the boards and always beats his man on rebounds with tip ins and has improved his mid range game considerably since he's been in the league. I'm jealous you guys got him.

xxseven72ducexx
07-09-2010, 12:47 AM
great move for the knicks considering d-lee was gone anyway, bring in 3 good players, 2 that are solid at their respective positions and 1 thats got potential through the roof...now all we need is a pg, im really hopin we sign ridnour cuz his skill set would fit well in d'antonis system...things are lookin up for the knicks right now, never thought id say that but im proud to do so

nystandup
07-09-2010, 12:49 AM
great move for the knicks considering d-lee was gone anyway, bring in 3 good players, 2 that are solid at their respective positions and 1 thats got potential through the roof...now all we need is a pg, im really hopin we sign ridnour cuz his skill set would fit well in d'antonis system...things are lookin up for the knicks right now, never thought id say that but im proud to do so

PLease help me explain to Suge about how good D Lee is and that he'll become a fan favorite over there

danbuc0101
07-09-2010, 12:49 AM
No, Cohan is smarter than you because he's punkin you into thinking that its okay to trade studs with star potential for a chance to be average. You, my friend, are the ignorant one.

If you knew anything about management you'd know cohen did not make this trade. This guy called the general manager and his staff did. Cohan priority is not making basketball moves, its selling the team and getting his money so he can pay off his debts and not go to jail.

robbnen#31
07-09-2010, 12:54 AM
PLease help me explain to Suge about how good D Lee is and that he'll become a fan favorite over there

I'm glad Cohan was able to swap Turiaf (a fan favorite) with a new one that just happens to be getting 80 million over the next six years.

He's a good player, but it's the fact that the Warriors once again overpaid for a player that fans are frustrated about. Nothing against Lee and I hope he does well, but he wasn't worth: the contract, Randolph, Azubuike, Turiaf, and a 2nd round pick.

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 12:57 AM
If you knew anything about management you'd know cohen did not make this trade. This guy called the general manager and his staff did. Cohan priority is not making basketball moves, its selling the team and getting his money so he can pay off his debts and not go to jail.

right, so the majority owner had absolutely nothing to do with this. its not like he hired larry riley or anything. ur not ignorant

Cromedome
07-09-2010, 12:59 AM
I think David Lee's game will be exposed. Good for the Knicks.

danbuc0101
07-09-2010, 01:01 AM
right, so the majority owner had absolutely nothing to do with this. its not like he hired larry riley or anything. ur not ignorant

Yea coming from the guy who judges trades by whether or not his favorite players get traded, that means nothing. Your yet to explain to me why this is such a bad trade, all you do is just call ppl stupid, your basketball insight amazes me.

Lakeshow86
07-09-2010, 01:01 AM
yes knicks did get better but they still have a ways to go before they can contend with the other teams. They will be a playoff team for sure. They need to get melo next year

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 01:09 AM
Yea coming from the guy who judges trades by whether or not his favorite players get traded, that means nothing. Your yet to explain to me why this is such a bad trade, all you do is just call ppl stupid, your basketball insight amazes me.

We get a good player, but its not going to get us to the playoffs. Anthony Randolph has the potential to help us contend. you add buike, turiaf and picks also! but thats not it, lee is making over 13 mil a year. y do you think this is such a great trade?

THE MTL
07-09-2010, 01:09 AM
We def got alot better and most important added some depth. Now b4 the injury Azu was putting up 13ppg 5rg...hopefully he comes back and is able to contribute at that level or close for the Knicks.

We get a hustler/rebounder in Turiaf to ease the pain from losing Lee's rebounding ability. And Anthony Randolph is like getting a first round pick. MAD POTENTIAL and made for this system.

jresty1
07-09-2010, 01:14 AM
I wanna see rautins startin at pg but i like TD to cuz he brings that d and can stroke the ball. But Rautins on the other hand is a better playmaker and passer

The Dream
07-09-2010, 01:18 AM
Suge ... just become a Knicks fan man lolol

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 01:39 AM
Suge ... just become a Knicks fan man lolol

Im definitely gonna be watching a bunch of knicks games this year

B.JenningsMVP
07-09-2010, 01:50 AM
Honestly I love this trade for GS.
They get Lee a very good PF.
His stats last year in the Knicks offense (almost identical to the Warriors offense).. 20 ppg 11.7 rpg 3.6 apg... AND let's not forget he didn't have a true PG.. Chris Duhon/Tony Douglas/Sergio Rodriguez were the guys he were playing with... Imgaine him with Curry/Ellis backcourt... Also let's not forget that he was playing as an undersized Center... In GS, he will play PF next to Beans.. Moving it to his true position... Nellie will utilize him very well... GS improved greatly..

As for the guys GS gave up, Randolph, Turiaf and Buike.... Randolph-- he has a great amount of potential, MAY become a superstar; but you never really know if he will ever reach the potential..Turiaf-- SOMEWHAT injury prone, this is the one guy I really was sad to leave the Bay, GREAT person/player.. Buike-- He's a nice player, he will produce right away, but the one thing I question is if he can regain the same athleticism as he had before the injury, if he does great pickup for Knicks, but we shall see lol..

Like it for both squads..

OT Thriller
07-09-2010, 02:22 AM
I expect either a trade for Parker or the signing of Felton very soon.

40oz
07-09-2010, 02:27 AM
I cant see no lose here. Actually thank you Oaktown for hookin our boy up. I'd liken him to stay but thats the nba.

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 03:08 AM
i like this trade a TON for both sides

douglas
azu/walker
chandler/gallo
amare/turiaf
randolf/curry

all that is left to be a quality deep team for the knicks is to find a good starting PG

The Raven
07-09-2010, 03:18 AM
Very good signing. He's a damn good player that knows how to score and crashes the boards well. He'll be a very good signing for them

tadmanny
07-09-2010, 03:25 AM
ehhh..... its a fair trade based on players but.


i really didnt want the warriors to pay D-Lee 80 million. geeezzzes

80 million is fair for a 20-12, all star. Brendan Haywood made 60 million and isnt half the player lee is. quit complaining. as a warriors fan, you should be happy that we didnt make another bone head deal.

nanablvd
07-09-2010, 03:28 AM
I think so, at least Lee is a better rebounder than Randolph and any of the big men the Warriors have had, and Lee has had experience playing up-tempo style.

kwicking001
07-09-2010, 03:31 AM
So basically we shipped out Lee and got Stoudemire, Turiaf, Randolph and Azubiuke, well thats a big A+......a pass first point guard is needed now....Luke Ridnour anyone ?

Bulls_fan90
07-09-2010, 03:32 AM
i like this trade a TON for both sides

douglas
azu/walker
chandler/gallo
amare/turiaf
randolf/curry

all that is left to be a quality deep team for the knicks is to find a good starting PG

You do realise Randolph is NOT a center.

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 03:40 AM
You do realise Randolph is NOT a center.

neither is turiaf or amare

but 3 PFs and the uncertainty around curry...someone needs to play "center"

with Mike D's system 2 high flying PF's will make up for the lack of a true center

nobody thinks this team is gonna play any defense anywayz

The Dream
07-09-2010, 03:51 AM
i like this trade a TON for both sides

douglas
azu/walker
chandler/gallo
amare/turiaf
randolf/curry

all that is left to be a quality deep team for the knicks is to find a good starting PG

Yup, the deal gave us so much flexibility. The chances of a Tony Parker deal just sky rocketed because we have pieces now.

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 03:53 AM
neither is turiaf or amare

but 3 PFs and the uncertainty around curry...someone needs to play "center"

with Mike D's system 2 high flying PF's will make up for the lack of a true center

nobody thinks this team is gonna play any defense anywayz


I think this team is gonna play surprising defense. TD Chandler and Gallo arent stiffs defensively and now we have the athletic shot blocking of Randolph and STAT. The defense and rebounding of Turiaf and Jordan isnt bad. Signing Kurt Thomas to go with STAT in a good leadership roll will go a long way. Randolph is The Future and I would even play him at the 2 from what Ive seen.

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 03:54 AM
Yup, the deal gave us so much flexibility. The chances of a Tony Parker deal just sky rocketed because we have pieces now.

I dunno what people are talking about for a TP deal. David lee sign and trade was the only way i thought a TP deal was getting done.

Who is on the knicks roster now that the Spurs would want? AR, Amare, and gallo should be considered off limits to that speculation.

GOON MUSIC
07-09-2010, 03:56 AM
i love the potential azubuike and randolph have

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 03:57 AM
I think this team is gonna play surprising defense. TD Chandler and Gallo arent stiffs defensively and now we have the athletic shot blocking of Randolph and STAT. The defense and rebounding of Turiaf and Jordan isnt bad. Signing Kurt Thomas to go with STAT in a good leadership roll will go a long way. Randolph is The Future and I would even play him at the 2 from what Ive seen.

Please don't play him at the 2....that would be silly and a waste of his physical gifts. That isn't to say he can't be allowed to touch the ball on the perimeter like Okur or brad miller (but be able to drive).

I dunno about Kurt Thomas....is he really a role model that they want AR to learn from?

The Dream
07-09-2010, 03:57 AM
We racked in second rounders from both the Suns and Warriors today. I'm thinking Wilson Chandler is a definite piece in this and maybe Tony Douglas with a package of draft pick(s) for Tony Parker.

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 03:58 AM
i love the potential azubuike and randolph have

azubuike is like 28-29
We have seen 2 years ago his peak, its weather or not he can come back from his injury that people should be looking at

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 04:01 AM
We racked in second rounders from both the Suns and Warriors today. I'm thinking Wilson Chandler is a definite piece in this and maybe Tony Douglas with a package of draft pick(s) for Tony Parker.

Chandler + TD and draft picks would mean the money doesnt work (although ESPN hasn't updated their trade machine to mimic the knicks being under salayr cap)

If you were the spurs would you give up tony parker for Chandler and douglas and some random second round picks?

The Dream
07-09-2010, 04:03 AM
Chandler + TD and draft picks would mean the money doesnt work (although ESPN hasn't updated their trade machine to mimic the knicks being under salayr cap)

If you were the spurs would you give up tony parker for Chandler and douglas and some random second round picks?

lol no but i couldn't think of any other trade option without giving up gallo/AR. How much is TP owed this season

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 04:10 AM
lol no but i couldn't think of any other trade option without giving up gallo/AR. How much is TP owed this season

12.6 mil according to the ESPN trade machine, Curry's contract would have to be included
curry + chandler would work money wise....but again i think the knicks being under the cap changes how the money would work and the spurs may be able to dump salary on the Knicks
dam u ESPN!!!! update yer trade machine :P

Bulls_fan90
07-09-2010, 04:12 AM
neither is turiaf or amare

but 3 PFs and the uncertainty around curry...someone needs to play "center"

with Mike D's system 2 high flying PF's will make up for the lack of a true center

nobody thinks this team is gonna play any defense anywayz

Im sure they'll sign a player like Earl Barron to start at center.

Anyway i like this trade for the Knicks.

The Dream
07-09-2010, 04:14 AM
12.6 mil according to the ESPN trade machine, Curry's contract would have to be included
curry + chandler would work money wise....but again i think the knicks being under the cap changes how the money would work and the spurs may be able to dump salary on the Knicks
dam u ESPN!!!! update yer trade machine :P

Yeah so Curry, Chandler, TD, and pick(s) would be very fitting for the Spurs. I'm even hesitant to do that if i'm on the Knicks side.

JayW_1023
07-09-2010, 04:14 AM
What's your opinion on the Knicks now that they lost the LeBron sweepstakes?

I think they'll either be the next suprise team or sad sack like the Nets last year. There is nothing inbetween though.

I do know one thing, Stoudemire will be exposed without a great PG like Nash to give him easy touches. He'll still put up numbers (he'll have to with no legitimate second option), but he will not be as efficient.

A Gallo-Amar'e-Eddy Curry line-up will prolly be the most defensively liable frontcourt in the history of the NBA.

Headline: "Brian Scalabrine goes off for 40 in win vs. Knicks"

TheBay30
07-09-2010, 04:15 AM
9th or 10th seed

The Dream
07-09-2010, 04:20 AM
They just traded for AR, Azu, and Turiaf

JayW_1023
07-09-2010, 04:20 AM
My bad...this thread was already made. You can close it :S

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 04:29 AM
Yeah so Curry, Chandler, TD, and pick(s) would be very fitting for the Spurs. I'm even hesitant to do that if i'm on the Knicks side.

I pray we find a way to keep Randolph and Gallo.

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 04:36 AM
[QUOTE=Allstar21;14038565]Chandler + TD and draft picks would mean the money doesnt work (although ESPN hasn't updated their trade machine to mimic the knicks being under salayr cap)

If you were the spurs would you give up tony parker for Chandler and douglas and some random second round picks?[/
No but if I want to accomodate a first class person and PG who led my team to championships I do. If Tony asks Pop for a trade to NYC I think Pop does it. Tony is a class guy and in most cases the ownership lets them go.

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 04:42 AM
i agree with that statement Bornknick

They are a really well run organization and i am sure they understand that letting go of TP now and getting some value for him would be better than refusing him and having this become a distraction

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 04:45 AM
i agree with that statement Bornknick

They are a really well run organization and i am sure they understand that letting go of TP now and getting some value for him would be better than refusing him and having this become a distraction

The guy won championships for the team. I can see them taking less to see him off happy.

knickfan33
07-09-2010, 04:48 AM
so the knicks frontcourt will be

SF - Gallo
PF - Amare
C - Anthony Randolph

not bad. hopefully my nets and the knicks can get better. basketball in the tri state area is at a low right now.

wow your an idiot....

way off

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 04:49 AM
wow your an idiot....

way off

Nice input! Care to elaborate?

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 04:50 AM
wow your an idiot....

way off

I wouldnt insult the guy but

TD
Azu/Walker
Gallo/chandler
Randolph/Turiaf
Amar'e/Curry/Jordan

Looks pretty good to me. Just need a good PG and we might have something here.

Sandman
07-09-2010, 04:53 AM
Hell yes I would welcome Kurt Thomas, especially as a mentor to Randolph. Thomas was a hard worker and a banger and on top of that he's been here before. No better person for him to learn from.

jbeezy
07-09-2010, 04:57 AM
they got way better with that trade

TheGsw
07-09-2010, 04:58 AM
they got way better with that trade
Warriors? Cuz all the Knicks got were injury prone players especially Ronny lol

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 04:59 AM
I cant believe I lost out on Lebron and I can care less. The options and talent my team has now is no joke. This team feels like we built it through the draft. Im so impressed with how Donnie pulled himself off the floor.

Watching videos of Randolph Turiaf and Azu was plain awe inspiring. All that for D.Lee? Whoa! No Lebron and Im floating on air. My team is young has good defensive players with hops. Height and shooting up the wazoo. If we can add Melo and TP to this squad Ill take my chances against the new Big 3.

This squad almost feels like a OKC situation. Crazy young, crazy talent. Randolph is a freak. He is gonna be a high flyer in Mikes system. Gallo shooting the three and STAT dominating down low. I cant wait for the start of the season. The knicks are gonna surprise some folks.

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 05:00 AM
Hell yes I would welcome Kurt Thomas, especially as a mentor to Randolph. Thomas was a hard worker and a banger and on top of that he's been here before. No better person for him to learn from.

Hes the first guy I would sign next. With him and STAT providing the leadership I dont think there will be many slackers on the team. Kurt is a intimidating presence. Grab him before Miami does.

TheGsw
07-09-2010, 05:01 AM
I cant believe I lost out on Lebron and I can care less. The options and talent my team has now is no joke. This team feels like we built it through the draft. Im so impressed with how Donnie pulled himself off the floor.

Watching videos of Randolph Turiaf and Azu was plain awe inspiring. All that for D.Lee? Whoa! No Lebron and Im floating on air. My team is young has good defensive players with hops. Height and shooting up the wazoo. If we can add Melo and TP to this squad Ill take my chances against the new Big 3.

This squad almost feels like a OKC situation. Crazy young, crazy talent. Randolph is a freak. He is gonna be a high flyer in Mikes system. Gallo shooting the three and STAT dominating down low. I cant wait for the start of the season. The knicks are gonna surprise some folks.

You guys will love Randolph!
But lets not overrate him.

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 05:09 AM
You guys will love Randolph!
But lets not overrate him.

For a 20 year old kid i think the skies the limit for him. I hope he officially changes his name to The Future. He looks like the future to me.

TheGsw
07-09-2010, 05:11 AM
For a 20 year old kid i think the skies the limit for him. I hope he officially changes his name to The Future. He looks like the future to me.

Well the kid does have a heart to win but lets not carried away, he has pontential but i cant see him being an allstar.

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 05:16 AM
Well the kid does have a heart to win but lets not carried away, he has pontential but i cant see him being an allstar.

Lets see what he does in a free wheeling system that lets him run and take advantage of his strengths. After watching 3 hours of videos I think hes got All-Star written all over him. He needs a more consistent 3 pt shot which will come in time.

RUN DMC 20
07-09-2010, 05:18 AM
David lee raw tho but i feel like we gave up a high poitential player in randolph, azubuike who can be really good at times but idk anymore after that injury he was one of my fav players, and ronny a guy who will play defense and does some dirty work..idk i just liked the guys we are givin up

Kashmir13579
07-09-2010, 05:18 AM
so we give up a young and healthy david lee who we could've paid 80m instead of 100m for amar'e. does anyone else think this is bull-****? we should've just signed david lee right away.

TheGsw
07-09-2010, 05:19 AM
Lets see what he does in a free wheeling system that lets him run and take advantage of his strengths. After watching 3 hours of videos I think hes got All-Star written all over him. He needs a more consistent 3 pt shot which will come in time.

He just needs a consistant shot. If he gets his shot down and raise up his basketball i.q, than theres no doubt he will be an allstar.

magichatnumber9
07-09-2010, 05:20 AM
GS got the better player. NY got depth

TheGsw
07-09-2010, 05:22 AM
NY will love Ronny! He's an high energy player who can block shots like its nothing. He just needs to stay healthy.

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 05:25 AM
NY will love Ronny! He's an high energy player who can block shots like its nothing. He just needs to stay healthy.

Gonzaga represent!!!!

knickfan33
07-09-2010, 05:31 AM
I wouldnt insult the guy but

TD
Azu/Walker
Gallo/chandler
Randolph/Turiaf
Amar'e/Curry/Jordan

Looks pretty good to me. Just need a good PG and we might have something here.

still way off, the knicks are going with gallo at PF.... thats been the plan all along.... Randolph is a SF.... too skinny for PF, athletic enough for SF....thats why they waited to see if they would get lebron before making the trade.... they would have traded lee for a PG-SG if lebron signed.

Bornknick73
07-09-2010, 05:41 AM
Either way im still pretty excited to see this team grow this year.

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 03:47 PM
still way off, the knicks are going with gallo at PF.... thats been the plan all along.... Randolph is a SF.... too skinny for PF, athletic enough for SF....thats why they waited to see if they would get lebron before making the trade.... they would have traded lee for a PG-SG if lebron signed.

Can gallo guard other NBA 4's?

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 04:29 PM
depends. Amare will put more fans in the stands than Lee, but he isn't much better of a player. Turiaf sucks, but Randolph is a very good player who could be a good fit as a hybrid forward for NY, and he is cheap right now looking to prove he is legit.

Hawkeye15
07-09-2010, 04:30 PM
And Lee's deal is ridiculous. But so is Amare's. Hell, so are most of the top tier free agents from this season

Lo Porto
07-09-2010, 04:35 PM
According too Hoopsworld, NY had to take Turiaf's non-expiring contract. Think that NY would dump Turiaf to Utah for a trade exception so they don't have to pay him $4 million the next two years?

Tony_Starks
07-09-2010, 04:39 PM
I'd rather have Lee at $80 mil than Amare at $120 mil any day. Defensively they're about the same, and Lee is a better rebounder. Offensively STAT is a better scorer but keep in mind Nash has been setting the table for him, now he has to create his own shot. Not to mention health concerns.

Now Azu and Randolf are good fits for Mike. Turiaf is a really solid player too but I can't see him getting much burn in a D'Antoni system. He prefers stretch bigs and Turiaf is more of a bluecollar hustle player.

Lo Porto
07-09-2010, 04:43 PM
NY - send Turiaf, cash and a 2nd rounder to Utah for a trade exception then go sign Felton.

ESaady
07-09-2010, 04:50 PM
I <3 the Warriors....****ing idiots.