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Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 10:58 PM
I'm not posting this in the Cavs forum because of the frame of mind in which they are in we all know the kind of responses. But what do fans of other teams think?

IAmKira
07-08-2010, 10:59 PM
how about should Cleveland bann #23 and #6?

camador22
07-08-2010, 10:59 PM
Maybe 20 years from now when Cleveland fans cooled down.

xabial
07-08-2010, 11:01 PM
Maybe 20 years from now when Cleveland fans cooled down.

20? i think at least 40. Youtubes getting filled with vids of people burning their lebron jerseys..

LA_Raiders
07-08-2010, 11:01 PM
NO, Come on, after doing this on nat TV? No way

ldc62
07-08-2010, 11:03 PM
Cavs should just relocate. That would be adding salt to open wounds.

Lakers4ItAll
07-08-2010, 11:04 PM
Not now, that franchise might as well close down shop

BkOriginalOne
07-08-2010, 11:04 PM
Why?
Lebron is wearing number 6 next season.

still1ballin
07-08-2010, 11:05 PM
No screw him, he will be hated forever and always my many fan bases. He does not deserve to retire his jersey.

netsgiantsyanks
07-08-2010, 11:06 PM
after what he just did to the state of ohio???**** no

zambo4president
07-08-2010, 11:06 PM
Hell no. He sold his soul and turned his back on his hometown who loved him unconditionally. They won't ever forget it and they shouldn't.

Iceman05
07-08-2010, 11:06 PM
did the o-mag retire shaq's number? hell no! All he did while he was there was earn a couple of mvp's. He got the team absolutely nothing.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:06 PM
i started this thread and said no... i wonder who is the lone person to say yes?

td0tsfinest
07-08-2010, 11:07 PM
After seeing his jersey being burned, Lebron James might just become Enemy #1 in the state of Ohio.

robdizzle3
07-08-2010, 11:07 PM
No way. He didnt stay there long enough and though i feel he should've left, the way he did it was classless to theri fans and the only thing I would do to his jersey if I were a Cavs fan, is give it a Golden Shower lol.

soonabooma
07-08-2010, 11:07 PM
All I can say is......Lebron James is NOT an intelligent human being.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:07 PM
Hell no. He sold his soul and turned his back on his hometown who loved him unconditionally. They won't ever forget it and they shouldn't.

selling his soul would be going to the Knicks.

Slimsim
07-08-2010, 11:07 PM
Hell to the ****ing no unless they really like MJ

Sadds The Gr8
07-08-2010, 11:08 PM
I voted yes.....of course they are.

ManRam
07-08-2010, 11:08 PM
You guys are crazy if you say "no".

No player has meant more to that franchise than Lebron. He gave them their best seasons ever. Sure, he left...but still.

When he retires, it won't be an issue.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:08 PM
All I can say is......Lebron James is NOT an intelligent human being.

please explain because as far as basketball goes the best thing to do is to go to miami.

Buckwheat
07-08-2010, 11:08 PM
**** no

DerekRE_3
07-08-2010, 11:08 PM
Absolutely not.

redwhitenblue
07-08-2010, 11:09 PM
You guys are crazy if you say "no".

No player has meant more to that franchise than Lebron. He gave them their best seasons ever. Sure, he left...but still.

When he retires, it won't be an issue.
Which resulted in no Championships.


He was a great player with them, but was unable to win a championship.


You don't retire numbers for those types of guys.

DerekRE_3
07-08-2010, 11:09 PM
You guys are crazy if you say "no".

No player has meant more to that franchise than Lebron. He gave them their best seasons ever. Sure, he left...but still.

When he retires, it won't be an issue.

Eh I doubt it. Raptor fans still hate VC, and will after he retires.

uknowmyname
07-08-2010, 11:09 PM
HAHAHA, the guy is a pariah now. It will never happen. Might as well retire Boozer's # too. Man that city gets hosed.

*Superman*
07-08-2010, 11:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx96XgUJDsQ

xbrackattackx
07-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Sure then the raps can hang Carters jersey and Orlando can hang shaqs.

JWO35
07-08-2010, 11:11 PM
I say yes because, like it or not LeBron James was the best player the Cavs ever had....

Sadds The Gr8
07-08-2010, 11:11 PM
Which resulted in no Championships.


He was a great player with them, but was unable to win a championship.


You don't retire numbers for those types of guys.

Barkley didn't win a title...was his # retired?

Reggie didn't, was his # retired?

/thread.

_KB24_
07-08-2010, 11:13 PM
It will be hard to swallow considering the way we left. Remember how everyone was saying he was SURELY to return to Cleveland after announcing the 1-hour special and how their was no way he would do that and rip the hearts of Cavs fans by saying he was leaving for an hour? Sucks to be a Cleveland fan.

the_jon
07-08-2010, 11:13 PM
The soul thing

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:14 PM
Barkley didn't win a title...was his # retired?

Reggie didn't, was his # retired?

/thread.

:clap:

DerekRE_3
07-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Barkley didn't win a title...was his # retired?

Reggie didn't, was his # retired?

/thread.

Reggie Miller didn't leave the Pacers.

XJW18
07-08-2010, 11:15 PM
No.

ldc62
07-08-2010, 11:15 PM
You guys are crazy if you say "no".

No player has meant more to that franchise than Lebron. He gave them their best seasons ever. Sure, he left...but still.

When he retires, it won't be an issue.

It will be if the Cavs never make the playoffs from now on til Lebrons retirement. Imagine the crowd of 1000 people witnessing the jersey headed to the rafters while Lebron is smiling to them and waving his ring filled finger- hands to them.

redwhitenblue
07-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Barkley didn't win a title...was his # retired?

Reggie didn't, was his # retired?

/thread.
I believe it said should.

Reggie also played more than 7 years in Cleveland, he never left that team.


He's one of the rare. Barkley's shouldn't have been retired by one team, neither should Lebron's.

Swashcuff
07-08-2010, 11:19 PM
Reggie Miller didn't leave the Pacers.

it wasn't about who left the previous poster made the comment that he didn't win a ship it wasn't whether or not he left the team or not.

Bulls_fan90
07-08-2010, 11:19 PM
They should tell Delonte West to change his number to 23.

m26555
07-08-2010, 11:19 PM
Hell no.

Sadds The Gr8
07-08-2010, 11:20 PM
Reggie Miller didn't leave the Pacers.


I believe it said should.

Reggie also played more than 7 years in Cleveland, he never left that team.


He's one of the rare. Barkley's shouldn't have been retired by one team, neither should Lebron's.

Miller did play longer, but he still never won. And Lebron is bigger in Cleveland than Reggie ever was in Indiana. Same thing is gonna happen with KG. His # is gonna be retired in Minnesota for all the great things he did for the franchise. Oh yea...and C-Webb is in that same category

_KB24_
07-08-2010, 11:21 PM
Anyone have legit pics of the jersey burning? The twitpics are pretty bad.

lavell12
07-08-2010, 11:21 PM
no and i'm really tired of people saying that the Cavs lost him b/c they didn't surround him with enough talent. remember it was LeBron who cost them the series against Boston. He came up small and is now throwing them under the bus. I'm not a Cavs fan but I feel bad for Cleveland right now.

redwhitenblue
07-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Miller did play longer, but he still never won. And Lebron is bigger in Cleveland than Reggie ever was in Indiana. Same thing is gonna happen with KG. His # is gonna be retired in Minnesota for all the great things he did for the franchise. Oh yea...and C-Webb is in that same category
I don't think they should be.

You can do 'great things,' but if you don't win, you don't win.


And there are few exceptions for guys who play their entire career on losing teams (and I think Miller was just as big to Indiana as Lebron was to Cleveland, the guy WAS Indiana for a decade)

Avenged
07-08-2010, 11:23 PM
Lebron did break a lot of Cavaliers records didn't he? And he won back to back MVP'S. I know that wouldn't be enough to get his jersey retired by some franchises with more glory (Lakers, Celtics) but for the Cavaliers, I could see it happening.

dre1990
07-08-2010, 11:25 PM
Of course they should. he single handedly took them to the finals, and won 2 mvp's with them. he was there all time leading scorer in 5.5 years playing there. He left a team that had a bunch of bums as an supporting cast, and left the team as a free agent. its not like he had 4 years left on his contract and demanded a trade and wouldnt play unless they trade him (ron artest). its okay to be dissapointed that he didnt stay with you guys, but to the cavs fans who are hating lebron james right now, where would you be without him? if you have to be pissed off at someone, be pissed off at there GM for not trying hard enough. so to all the cavs fans that are *****in right now need to sit down and shut the **** up

Melo15
07-08-2010, 11:26 PM
**** no! Why would they want to be reminded of the hometown kid who left them?

Sadds The Gr8
07-08-2010, 11:26 PM
I don't think they should be.

You can do 'great things,' but if you don't win, you don't win.


And there are few exceptions for guys who play their entire career on losing teams (and I think Miller was just as big to Indiana as Lebron was to Cleveland, the guy WAS Indiana for a decade)

lol no way. U must not have seen the things that Cleveland was willing to do for Lebron to keep him to stay. Like ESPN said, he's EASILY the most sought after FA of all time. No way was Reggie as hyped as LBJ.

redwhitenblue
07-08-2010, 11:26 PM
lol no way. U must not have seen the things that Cleveland was willing to do for Lebron to keep him to stay. Like ESPN said, he's EASILY the most sought after FA of all time. No way was Reggie as hyped as LBJ.
I don't remember Reggie hitting FA.

Sadds The Gr8
07-08-2010, 11:30 PM
I don't remember Reggie hitting FA.

i never said he was....I was saying that the desperation of Cavs fans wanting him to stay proves his worth. He wasn't just face of the Cavs...he was face of Cleveland.

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 11:30 PM
No screw him, he will be hated forever and always my many fan bases. He does not deserve to retire his jersey.

:nod:

Draco
07-08-2010, 11:33 PM
slim to none and slim just walked out the door.

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html

itsripcity32
07-08-2010, 11:34 PM
lebron sucks balls

DerekRE_3
07-08-2010, 11:39 PM
Miller did play longer, but he still never won. And Lebron is bigger in Cleveland than Reggie ever was in Indiana. Same thing is gonna happen with KG. His # is gonna be retired in Minnesota for all the great things he did for the franchise. Oh yea...and C-Webb is in that same category

And Chris Webber didn't ditch the Kings. He chose us over New York and stayed when he hit free agency. The Kings traded him, but he never demanded a trade. He was the face of the greatest Sacramento Kings team there ever was and showed loyalty to the franchise. Lebron James did not do that.

kobe24>lebron23
07-08-2010, 11:42 PM
guys come on he's the franchises greatest player ever yes he's a ***** but he's there G.O.A.T yes he deserves his jersey retired in Cleveland as much as it pains me to say it

hugepatsfan
07-08-2010, 11:43 PM
I have no problem with him leaving. But to do it like he did is one of the most classless things I have ever seen. Just as bad, how come he didn't announce it w/ the other 2. He needed to be the center of attention. I think that the MIA team could be AMAZING. The only thing I can see stopping it is the massive ego of Lebron. They need to massage that mofo real heavy.

RaiderLakersA's
07-08-2010, 11:44 PM
After hearing the owner's open letter, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of LeBron's jersey being retired. Burned in effigy perhaps, but not retired.

ugafan
07-08-2010, 11:44 PM
Some people are heated, and understandably so, but LeBron did the smart thing. He gave the Franchise so much in his 7 years and when he decides to leave, which he is free to do, and go to a place where he has a better chance of winning, Cleveland fans want to burn his jersey? Absolutely ridiculous. If you call what LeBron is doing classless, Cavs fans are beyond that.


And the Laker fans talking **** are hilarious. You don't hate him because he left Cleveland, you hate him because people think he's better than your savior.

LaughingMadcap
07-08-2010, 11:46 PM
Cleveland fans (like myself) wont forget being betrayed like this. Art Modell did some good things in Cleveland but he backstabbed the city. He will never be seen with great honor in the city. Even though Lebron was the best player the cavs ever had his number will not, and should not, be retired. Usually when a player's number is retired he is liked in the city after he is gone. Obviously that is not (nor will it ever be) the case. I agree that his number should be banned from Cleveland. That would be EPIC!

still1ballin
07-08-2010, 11:48 PM
I hope he gets booed in every arena and everywhere he goes

nanablvd
07-08-2010, 11:48 PM
I dont understand why Lebron has to announce it himself. Why can't he let espn break the news for him, the way Wade and Bosh handled quite well earlier. Does he know that hearing the words from him directly doubles the pains for Cleveland?

chonbon
07-08-2010, 11:50 PM
i hope lebron tears his acl, ****ing coward

RaiderLakersA's
07-08-2010, 11:50 PM
Lol

Jaji
07-08-2010, 11:52 PM
Retire??? I think they should ban #23.

still1ballin
07-08-2010, 11:54 PM
I don't even like the Cavs, but the way he did them makes me hate him that much more. I think I now hate Lebron more than the Boston Celtics

LTBaByyy
07-08-2010, 11:56 PM
I honestly think.....





2 players on the cavs should wear 23 and 6 next year
To show a sign of disrepect for what he did and show that his number wont be retired

LTBaByyy
07-08-2010, 11:58 PM
Of course they should. he single handedly took them to the finals, and won 2 mvp's with them. he was there all time leading scorer in 5.5 years playing there. He left a team that had a bunch of bums as an supporting cast, and left the team as a free agent. its not like he had 4 years left on his contract and demanded a trade and wouldnt play unless they trade him (ron artest). its okay to be dissapointed that he didnt stay with you guys, but to the cavs fans who are hating lebron james right now, where would you be without him? if you have to be pissed off at someone, be pissed off at there GM for not trying hard enough. so to all the cavs fans that are *****in right now need to sit down and shut the **** up

Get out.

_KB24_
07-08-2010, 11:59 PM
Delonte West should be given number 23. And when Lebron comes to play, they should all be given shirts saying: "23: Who ya Daddy?" :D

kho1313
07-09-2010, 12:01 AM
No chance. He was only there 7 years and never won a championship.

dre1990
07-09-2010, 12:02 AM
Get out.

shut the **** up get off of dirks dick

Switch
07-09-2010, 12:07 AM
LeBron didn't win a championship with them, why should it get retired?

MacFitz92
07-09-2010, 12:11 AM
I think Dan Gilbert answered this question.

ugafan
07-09-2010, 12:12 AM
LeBron didn't win a championship with them, why should it get retired?

That's not a requisite...

RadiantShot
07-09-2010, 12:13 AM
No.
His legacy is diminished.

Sadds The Gr8
07-09-2010, 12:20 AM
And Chris Webber didn't ditch the Kings. He chose us over New York and stayed when he hit free agency. The Kings traded him, but he never demanded a trade. He was the face of the greatest Sacramento Kings team there ever was and showed loyalty to the franchise. Lebron James did not do that.

how did Lebron ditch the Cavs? Did he promise to stay? No...he was smart and realized that Cleveland wasn't a team that could attract good free agents (hence Bosh wanting to play with LBJ but NOT wanting to go to Cleveland) so he left. Lebron went to a place where he can win the easiest...even though many people (including me) think he's a loser for doing. How did Lebron not show loyalty? he never demanded trade or anything...

xabial
07-09-2010, 12:21 AM
he was desperate for a ring. If it was about money he would have signed with the Knicks or Cavs. The man really wants a ring and wasnt sure if the Cavs could bring him one.

kswissdaf
07-09-2010, 12:34 AM
Even though im going crazy right now. Ill admit LeBron did this in the wrong way, i wouldn't be happy if i was a cavs fan

LTBaByyy
07-09-2010, 12:38 AM
how did Lebron ditch the Cavs? Did he promise to stay? No...he was smart and realized that Cleveland wasn't a team that could attract good free agents (hence Bosh wanting to play with LBJ but NOT wanting to go to Cleveland) so he left. Lebron went to a place where he can win the easiest...even though many people (including me) think he's a loser for doing. How did Lebron not show loyalty? he never demanded trade or anything...

He promised them a championship when he won the mvp though, then left as soon as he could

jetsforever
07-09-2010, 12:47 AM
Retire 23 to pay tribute to MJ

after reading the owners message tonight, Lebron will nOt be having a retirement ceremony in Cleveland.

Jaji
07-09-2010, 12:55 AM
Retire 23 to pay tribute to MJ

after reading the owners message tonight, Lebron will nOt be having a retirement ceremony in Cleveland.

Interestingly, the Heat retired #23 in honor of MJ back in 03. They also retired #13 to honor Dan Marino. But that makes me think LBJ knew where he was going for a loooonnnnggg time. Come on, even his newest sneakers were red and black. Coulda been Chi I guess but the Big 3 definitely had a plan.

Boozerguy47
07-09-2010, 01:24 AM
Cav fans need to suck it up and realize it isn't about them. Why are they complaining so much? He doesn't owe the city anything at all. You should be thanking him for all the great years. Seattle didn't even get that pissy when the entire Sonic organization left.

Honestly, I am more of a LeBron fan now that he left the Cavs. Never liked him before, but ever since he said Miami my opinion of him has begun to shift.

Sly Guy
07-09-2010, 01:27 AM
yes or no.

gbpackers12
07-09-2010, 01:28 AM
Retire his number for what reason?

Tragedy
07-09-2010, 01:29 AM
Why would they?

Lost Art
07-09-2010, 01:29 AM
Worst spelling of "retire" ever!!!!!

And, no........I don't think there is a chance in hell after hearing the owners comments

Kleonidas
07-09-2010, 01:30 AM
They were burning his 23 tonight, so my guess is no...

still1ballin
07-09-2010, 01:32 AM
ratire

Sly Guy
07-09-2010, 01:34 AM
ratire
awsome sauze isn tit?

MDfootball36
07-09-2010, 01:35 AM
no he walked out on them because he "couldnt win" there. Cleveland tried hard to give him the help he needed and it never worked out and he just left them and now his legacy is tarnished because he will never be known as the best and he can only win with a superstar team

laker2dodger
07-09-2010, 01:36 AM
Why would they he did not prove himself with the CAVS SOOOOOOOOOOO NO

Jaji
07-09-2010, 01:36 AM
Cav fans need to suck it up and realize it isn't about them. Why are they complaining so much? He doesn't owe the city anything at all. You should be thanking him for all the great years. Seattle didn't even get that pissy when the entire Sonic organization left.

Honestly, I am more of a LeBron fan now that he left the Cavs. Never liked him before, but ever since he said Miami my opinion of him has begun to shift.

:clap:

Sadds The Gr8
07-09-2010, 01:37 AM
He promised them a championship when he won the mvp though, then left as soon as he could

I dont remember him saying he promised. He said he wanted to win Cleveland a title, but it didnt happen

I love this sig though....it's so true. 2k11 is gonna be a piss off

nolin
07-09-2010, 01:38 AM
Without a doubt. It wont be until years down the line though maybe 20-30 years but yea they will. Just going to take a long time to forgive.

Mr.Davidoo
07-09-2010, 01:42 AM
NO....! he dont deserve it...! he left eh cavs for his own title while he is on his prime...!
superstar just a publicity if you are a star u should win a ring or be tough...! lebron hype!
no team will retired james number...! what you think?

ABOMB_56
07-09-2010, 01:42 AM
I believe they should however this is a tricky situation. He carried this franchise for 7 years, nearly doubling their franchise value and taking them out of basketball's basement and putting them and the city of Cleveland on the map. IMO, he deserves to have his number retired

RadiantShot
07-09-2010, 01:43 AM
As a wise Eminem once said --
"And for that, **** your feelings, instead of getting crowned, you're getting capped."
Too bad the second part of that song couldn't apply to Cleveland fans.

Jaji
07-09-2010, 01:44 AM
no he walked out on them because he "couldnt win" there. Cleveland tried hard to give him the help he needed and it never worked out and he just left them and now his legacy is tarnished because he will never be known as the best and he can only win with a superstar team

Superstar team? They only have 3 good players. Jordan played with Pippen and Kobe played with Shaq. It's a team game. No one can win all by themselves. I commend him for turning down more money for a chance to win. Isn't that what it's all about?

Mr.Davidoo
07-09-2010, 01:44 AM
wow... we only remember cavs when jordan shot on ehlo ryt...? not james? did he give them a title there in cleveland?

ABOMB_56
07-09-2010, 01:46 AM
Cav fans need to suck it up and realize it isn't about them. Why are they complaining so much? He doesn't owe the city anything at all. You should be thanking him for all the great years. Seattle didn't even get that pissy when the entire Sonic organization left.

Honestly, I am more of a LeBron fan now that he left the Cavs. Never liked him before, but ever since he said Miami my opinion of him has begun to shift.

Thank God someone who doesn't blindly hate Lebron :clap:

JiffyMix88
07-09-2010, 01:56 AM
lmao retire someones who didnt do anything but being born in cleveland? he didn't do anything for cleveland and the only awards he won was individual awards....

basketball3553
07-09-2010, 01:59 AM
Just like the Packers will one day retire #4, the Cavs too should retire #23. He brought them a lot of success and some good years. It's kind of like the Favre situation because he did the unthinkable and went to the Vikings so he could win. LeBron did the unthinkable and left Cleveland to where he thinks he has the best chance of winning. You can get mad at these guys, but you can't blame them for what they did.

Hawkize31
07-09-2010, 02:00 AM
I kind of think 23 should be retired league-wide for Michael Jordan, but maybe thats just me.

DerekRE_3
07-09-2010, 02:04 AM
how did Lebron ditch the Cavs? Did he promise to stay? No...he was smart and realized that Cleveland wasn't a team that could attract good free agents (hence Bosh wanting to play with LBJ but NOT wanting to go to Cleveland) so he left. Lebron went to a place where he can win the easiest...even though many people (including me) think he's a loser for doing. How did Lebron not show loyalty? he never demanded trade or anything...

He showed he was disloyal by jumping ship. It's not like the Cavs weren't going to be contenders next year. Michael Jordan lost to the Pistons 3 straight years. He didn't jump ship and sign with the Pistons or join another team with a couple superstars. He stuck it out and brought 6 titles to the team that drafted him. Not only that, Lebron left his home state.

Jaji
07-09-2010, 02:30 AM
He showed he was disloyal by jumping ship. It's not like the Cavs weren't going to be contenders next year. Michael Jordan lost to the Pistons 3 straight years. He didn't jump ship and sign with the Pistons or join another team with a couple superstars. He stuck it out and brought 6 titles to the team that drafted him. Not only that, Lebron left his home state.

You act like LBJ is the first FA to ever switch teams. There was no free agency like that in MJ's early years. And besides, he played in Chicago. LBJ played in crappy Cleveland. Just because he was born in OH doesn't mean he's cursed to stay there forever.

I just don't get it. He has a chance to win multiple championships now. He gave up more money to be in a better position to win a championship. That's called sacrifice, not disloyalty. Cavs fans should be grateful for the 7 years he gave them.

The Raven
07-09-2010, 02:51 AM
I was gonna say yes but after thinking about it, no way. He really didnt do anything for that franchise in terms of getting them any rings. He did make them more relevant though but the fact that he won no rings with them in 7 years is the reason it shouldnt be retired.

But who knows, maybe in 20 30 40 years, things might change. Wounds do heal with time

Sadds The Gr8
07-09-2010, 03:05 AM
He showed he was disloyal by jumping ship. It's not like the Cavs weren't going to be contenders next year. Michael Jordan lost to the Pistons 3 straight years. He didn't jump ship and sign with the Pistons or join another team with a couple superstars. He stuck it out and brought 6 titles to the team that drafted him. Not only that, Lebron left his home state.


You act like LBJ is the first FA to ever switch teams. There was no free agency like that in MJ's early years. And besides, he played in Chicago. LBJ played in crappy Cleveland. Just because he was born in OH doesn't mean he's cursed to stay there forever.

I just don't get it. He has a chance to win multiple championships now. He gave up more money to be in a better position to win a championship. That's called sacrifice, not disloyalty. Cavs fans should be grateful for the 7 years he gave them.

Took the words right outta my mouth. MJ played in a huge sports market where big names could be attracted and help for MJ could be found. LBJ played in Cleveland where help was limited (best players he got were Mo Williams, whose a SG trapped in a PG's body that choked every year in the playoffs, and Antawn Jamison, who's a very undersized PF who's also old. Oh yea, and he only played with antwan half the season). I said this many times today here...LBJ left to a team/city that could find help and give him the best chance to win a title(s). Cleveland couldn't land any big names to help Lebron win, and that's why he left.

Jaji
07-09-2010, 03:35 AM
I was gonna say yes but after thinking about it, no way. He really didnt do anything for that franchise in terms of getting them any rings. He did make them more relevant though but the fact that he won no rings with them in 7 years is the reason it shouldnt be retired.

But who knows, maybe in 20 30 40 years, things might change. Wounds do heal with time

Winning rings is not required to have a number retired. The Cavs have never won the finals so by that logic Mark Price, Brad Daugherty, Larry Nance and all the others shouldn't have had their jerseys retired either. He is without a doubt the greatest Cav ever. Hell, the Heat retired Dan Marino's number and he didn't even play basketball!