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Wrigleyboy25
07-08-2010, 04:01 PM
This was posted on the Sun Sentinel website just 10 minutes ago and is different from the Broussard and Bucher reports as it has sources form this afternoon:


Media speculation about LeBron James' future has given way to the cold reality inside NBA war rooms:

The overwhelming consensus among league executives is that Cleveland Cavaliers free-agent forward LeBron James is coming to South Florida to become a member of the Miami Heat.

An NBA team executive told the Sun Sentinel Thursday afternoon, "All of our contacts from CAA say he is coming to you guys."

CAA is Creative Artists Agency, the firm that not only represents James, but also Heat guard Dwyane Wade and Toronto Raptors free-agent power forward Chris Bosh, who on Wednesday agreed to sign with the Heat.

Asked if he felt his team, which has stood as one of the finalists for James' services, or any other of the suitors had given up on hope of landing the two-time Most Valuable Player, the executive said, "Teams still are holding out hope."

James is scheduled to announce his decision at 9 p.m. on ESPN.

The executive also described a frantic landscape that had the Heat working overtime to clear sufficient salary cap space to not only add James, but also Washington Wizards free-agent forward Mike Miller.

The executive said Miller is a player that James has stressed a desire to play alongside.

To clear the needed salary cap space for Wade, Bosh, James and Miller, the Heat would need to trade forward Michael Beasley, the No. 2 overall selection in the 2008 NBA Draft.

Even then the math is complex, with Miller having received an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers that averages nearly $9 million a season.

As a fallback, the Heat was discussing a trade with Philadelphia that would send Beasley out in exchange for former Heat 3-point specialist Jason Kapono.

As it is, Heat President Pat Riley has a plan in place that would have Wade, Bosh and James receiving less than the maximum $16.6 million they could receive for 2010-11. Riley has briefed each of the players and their representatives about the approach.

Riley also has been working to complete a sign-and-trade transaction to help Bosh receive a larger overall package.

Free agents with the tenure of Wade, James and Bosh can receive six-year, $125 million packages when signing with their own team, but are limited to a maximum of $96 million over five years when signing with an outside team. A sign-and-trade with the Raptors would allow Bosh to receive the larger contract.

The tenor of those conversations between Riley and Raptors General Manager Bryan Colangelo has been tense, with sources familiar with the dialogue saying the two had reached the point of argument Wednesday.

A league executive said he expected Colangelo to eventually agree to a sign-and-trade to at least get something in return for Bosh, even if only draft choices.

"Bryan will act in the best interests of the franchise," the executive said.

ESPN reported early Thursday morning that the Heat had emerged as the favorite to sign James, saying "all indications" are James will join the Heat.

The network since has reduced the tone of that conviction, but continues to list the Heat as the front-runner.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-lebron-james-miami-heat-070810,0,3786304.story

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 04:04 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

Ray_R
07-08-2010, 04:05 PM
:( Day for the NBA.

Wrigleyboy25
07-08-2010, 04:05 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.
People keep saying that, but i give him credit for wanting to win. I'd sign a 2 or 3 year deal, win the title, then go off and try and win it somewhere else.

J4KOP99
07-08-2010, 04:08 PM
People keep saying that, but i give him credit for wanting to win. I'd sign a 2 or 3 year deal, win the title, then go off and try and win it somewhere else.

So you're saying he is the next Shaq? I doubt he signs anything less than 4 years.

ManRam
07-08-2010, 04:10 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

Going to Miami won't change how good of a player he is, all it will do is hide whether or not he can lead a team that isn't a super team to a championship. He'll still be the best player; going to Miami isn't going to instantly make him worse of a player. But I see your point.

I do think it is a ***** move though. It's no secret I really like LeBron. I won't lose too much respect for him, but I certainly will not root for him even remotely as much if he does go to Miami.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:11 PM
Clippers offered Mike Miller a contract worth $9 Million per year?


Donald Sterling coming through again. :laugh2:

Sixerlover
07-08-2010, 04:13 PM
LeBron to Miami is all but official.. And it's a shame. That's a terrible move for his "brand", for his talent, and for the league in general.

But on to a regular NBA team, why would we trade Kapono for Beasley when Kapono is an expiring contract, and Beasley isn't really a Doug Collins guy.

iggypop123
07-08-2010, 04:13 PM
People keep saying that, but i give him credit for wanting to win. I'd sign a 2 or 3 year deal, win the title, then go off and try and win it somewhere else.

he isnt discounting that but any shot of lebron reaching jordan, duncan and kobe level is shattered with this move

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:14 PM
Going to Miami won't change how good of a player he is, all it will do is hide whether or not he can lead a team that isn't a super team to a championship. He'll still be the best player; going to Miami isn't going to instantly make him worse of a player. But I see your point.

I do think it is a ***** move though. It's no secret I really like LeBron. I won't lose too much respect for him, but I certainly will not root for him even remotely as much if he does go to Miami.

This.

LeBron alters his legacy big time. Instead of following the path of Jordan, which Nike has pushed ever since he appeared on their radar. LeBron follows the path of a player like Magic Johnson or Larry Bird, a great player on a great team who shares the glory with Wade.

ABOMB_56
07-08-2010, 04:14 PM
Why does this take away from his title as the best player in the NBA. How can people be saying that, especially you JB. Jordan had Pippen ( a top 50 player of all-time), Rodman (Considered by many one of the best defenders and rebounders ever), and good role players. This is NOT the best trio of players ever and this isn't the first or last time that a trio of great players joined together on the same team

ManRam
07-08-2010, 04:16 PM
LeBron to Miami is all but official.. And it's a shame. That's a terrible move for his "brand", for his talent, and for the league in general.

But on to a regular NBA team, why would we trade Kapono for Beasley when Kapono is an expiring contract, and Beasley isn't really a Doug Collins guy.

I agree. It sounds as if his camp has been pushing this all along. I don't get it. It makes no sense to me. He can go to New York, not have a top 10 player on his team, and still be better than perhaps any team in the league.

But now, he's never going to be able to prove in his prime that he can lead a team to a championship. He would go down as a top 5 player ever, easily, if he won a ring or two anywhere but Miami or LA. Now, top 10 is his ceiling, and that's a shame because nothing should be holding him back from top 3-5 ever if he got those rings elsewhere (which I think he could with a decent cast).

It's terrible for the NBA too.

Sixerlover
07-08-2010, 04:16 PM
I do think it is a ***** move though. It's no secret I really like LeBron. I won't lose too much respect for him, but I certainly will not root for him even remotely as much if he does go to Miami.

This just described my feelings on Bron 1000%

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 04:17 PM
basketball needs a salary cap!

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:18 PM
he isnt discounting that but any shot of lebron reaching jordan, duncan and kobe level is shattered with this move

He isn't reaching Jordan's level. Point Blank.

However if LeBron & Wade team together, their legacies become intertwined. Both guys will be viewed as great players who played together and won championships together. Their time before playing with each other will be secondary. The debate between who was better between Wade & LeBron will be a debate that will be argued for decades. Is Wade's Championship ring better than LeBron's 2 MVP's? We'll never know.

Knowledge
07-08-2010, 04:20 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

I disagree. Playing on the best team or most talented doesn't take away from Lebron IMO. I give him Bosh, and Wade credit for wanting to win. Bill Russell playing on the team he did doesnt take away from what he was as as player.


he isnt discounting that but any shot of lebron reaching jordan, duncan and kobe level is shattered with this move

So then is Bill Russell overrated?

This is new era of basketball so you cant really compare what Bosh, Wade, and Lebron are doing to anything we have ever seen. No one knows how this will play out so it is very premature to make any predictions. They have a chance to do something that has never been done. I would choose to make history like they are doing, rather than follow MJ's footsteps.

Statik1
07-08-2010, 04:20 PM
basketball needs a salary cap!

Best post allllll day!

Thank you for cracking me up @ work :laugh:

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 04:20 PM
Why does this take away from his title as the best player in the NBA. How can people be saying that, especially you JB. Jordan had Pippen ( a top 50 player of all-time), Rodman (Considered by many one of the best defenders and rebounders ever), and good role players. This is NOT the best trio of players ever and this isn't the first or last time that a trio of great players joined together on the same team

It depends on how you win and what you do. Playing for an organization that is known for winning is pretty simple. For instance, the Lakers are a winning organization so it is easy for top 3-5 players in the league playing with LA to win titles. That won't happen with any other franchise automatically except maybe Boston.

Bulls were not a winning organization until MJ came along and and since he left still is a losing organiazation

Rockets were not a winning organization until Hakeem came along and once he left have not had much success (past the first round once in 12 years)

Pistons were not a winning organization until Isiah came along

The Spurs were constantly winning 50+ games with David Robinson but didn't start winning titles until Duncan came along.



Lebron having to go to a team that already had a top 3 player in the league and a guy who led his team to a title shows a lot about him.

And please stop with the Pippen top 50 stuff. Yes he became top 50 but Jordan never inherited a top 50 player.


MJ didn't acquire a guy that was an elite player either. He acquired a guy that was coming off the bench that became a top player in the league over time after playing with MJ. That is a Big Difference. It's one thing if MJ got Pippen like Wade got Shaq when he was already a top 5-10 player in the league. He didn't though.

So Saying Lebron doesn't have an elite player on his team is irrelevant in this case because MJ didn't get a elite player either to play with. The equivalent of that happening for Lebron is basically having a guy who came off the bench initially and that was raw and then a few years later is an allstar and top player in the league. Example for Lebron would be JJ Hickson turning into a star.


This was the guy MJ got when Pippen came into the league.

Source: GoogleBooks (http://books.google.com/books?id=aQ84ViBNkYwC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Game+Michael+Jordan+broke+his+leg&source=web&ots=Y9Xtn3nomR&sig=6shSn2cklYKVP1kBaC6nI0A_oko&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA39,M1)




Pippen, unlike other Bulls who usually kept their distance from Jordan, tried to learn all he could from Jordan in practice. In turn, Jordan worked with Pippen on his moves, jump shot, and defense and taught him mental toughness.

MSG34
07-08-2010, 04:21 PM
Lebron will never be king of anything if he makes this coward move.

J4KOP99
07-08-2010, 04:21 PM
This.

LeBron alters his legacy big time. Instead of following the path of Jordan, which Nike has pushed ever since he appeared on their radar. LeBron follows the path of a player like Magic Johnson or Larry Bird, a great player on a great team who shares the glory with Wade.

Are you kidding me? You make great posts all the time but this one is just ridiculous.

You're trying to say that Michael WAS NOT a great player on a great team? Those Bulls teams were just as good as the 80's lakers or celtics. Bird and Magic were drafted to their team, just like Michael and the Front offices of the Bulls, Celts and Lakers built around them. All three players were surrounded by a great supporting cast and a great player.

LeBron would be doing something completely different. Leaving a team as a free-agent to go to an already stacked team with a top-3 nba player and a top-5 nba big man. When did Magic or Larry ever do that?

This would be like Magic leaving the Lakers for Boston or Larry going to LA.

What LeBron is doing completely ruins his legacy as a top-5 all-time great. Is he still going to be a dominant player? Yes. Will he most likely break records? yes. If he wins a championship, will he be considered the main player on his team(like MJ, Larry and Magic)? No... and that is what hurts him.

plpfctn
07-08-2010, 04:22 PM
i see miller taking the 9 mil with the clippers. miller already turned the lakers at basically the same money miami is offering now. i don't think wade, lbj, bosh and kapono is enough for a championship. they need to get a center. should get brad miller before denver gets him.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:22 PM
Why does this take away from his title as the best player in the NBA. How can people be saying that, especially you JB. Jordan had Pippen ( a top 50 player of all-time), Rodman (Considered by many one of the best defenders and rebounders ever), and good role players. This is NOT the best trio of players ever and this isn't the first or last time that a trio of great players joined together on the same team

This is the best trio of players ever in NBA History.

Name me 1 team that featured 2 of the top 3 NBA players at the same time? Any choice you make is debatable because I already know you're going to suggest Shaq & Kobe. :cool: Im psychic.

Never have we seen 2 of the Top 3 NBA players in the game join forces after playing their careers apart. This isn't even comparable to Jordan & Pippen, Kareem & Magic, or Bird & McHale. We are talking about a duo of dominant #1 options joining forces.

*Superman*
07-08-2010, 04:23 PM
:sigh:

It's all over.

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 04:24 PM
And while Shaq, Wilt and Kareem left their former teams to go to LA or Philly, they managed to go to teams where they were the only established superstar at the beginning. Lebron going to the Heat he is essentially going to a team that already has an established superstar.

J4KOP99
07-08-2010, 04:24 PM
It depends on how you win and what you do. Playing for an organization that is known for winning is pretty simple. For instance, the Lakers are a winning organization so it is easy for top 3-5 players in the league playing with LA to win titles. That won't happen with any other franchise automatically except maybe Boston.

Bulls were not a winning organization until MJ came along and and since he left still is a losing organiazation

Rockets were not a winning organization until Hakeem came along and once he left have not had much success (past the first round once in 12 years)

Pistons were not a winning organization until Isiah came along

The Spurs were constantly winning 50+ games with David Robinson but didn't start winning titles until Duncan came along.



Lebron having to go to a team that already had a top 3 player in the league and a guy who led his team to a title shows a lot about him.

And please stop with the Pippen top 50 stuff. Yes he became top 50 but Jordan never inherited a top 50 player.


MJ didn't acquire a guy that was an elite player either. He acquired a guy that was coming off the bench that became a top player in the league over time after playing with MJ. That is a Big Difference. It's one thing if MJ got Pippen like Wade got Shaq when he was already a top 5-10 player in the league. He didn't though.

So Saying Lebron doesn't have an elite player on his team is irrelevant in this case because MJ didn't get a elite player either to play with. The equivalent of that happening for Lebron is basically having a guy who came off the bench initially and that was raw and then a few years later is an allstar and top player in the league. Example for Lebron would be JJ Hickson turning into a star.


This was the guy MJ got when Pippen came into the league.

Source: GoogleBooks (http://books.google.com/books?id=aQ84ViBNkYwC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Game+Michael+Jordan+broke+his+leg&source=web&ots=Y9Xtn3nomR&sig=6shSn2cklYKVP1kBaC6nI0A_oko&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA39,M1)


Great stuff about Pippen although there are some things you mentioned earlier that I do not completely agree with.

ManRam
07-08-2010, 04:24 PM
This.

LeBron alters his legacy big time. Instead of following the path of Jordan, which Nike has pushed ever since he appeared on their radar. LeBron follows the path of a player like Magic Johnson or Larry Bird, a great player on a great team who shares the glory with Wade.

Yeah. Those Laker and Celtic teams had at times 3+ hall of famers on those teams.

That's the case here (Bosh doesn't deserve HOF yet). I don't see how it should totally kill his legacy.

He's on a great team. Kobe shouldn't be punished for playing with Shaq. Pippen and Jordan shouldn't be punished for playing with eachother. Bird/McHale/Parrish/Tiny...Russell/Ramsey/Cousey/Macauley/Jones/Jones/Havlichek....Magic/Kareem/Worthy/Riley...Elgin/West/Chamberlain...

I mean, you get it. A lot of hall of famers played with other HOFers.

Win a few rings as the clear #1, and he still is easily a top 10 player ever.

still1ballin
07-08-2010, 04:24 PM
I think everyone hates Lebron right about now.

Bring The Heat
07-08-2010, 04:24 PM
LeBron wants to win and in miami is his best chance... He has already proven he can lead a team to the finals with a crappy supporting cast.... but in the end you need great players around you in this league in order to win... it's his time to shine and make history by teaming up and creating one of the best duos in NBA history since Jordan/Pippen... Nobody says crap about kobe and the lakers stacked starting line-up and deep bench...


For crying out loud Odom comes off the bench! that guy starts on almost any other team in the NBA!

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 04:25 PM
so now hes a coward because he goes to a better team? pfttttt , hes already going to win millions, no matter where he plays he will always be lebron and in a good city to party with a good team , i would have done the same

just cause lebron isnt going to the team we wanted doesnt mean we have to act like hes a jerk, someone was going to be let down no matter where he went

he doesnt have to come to NY and make us happy he has to go where ever it makes HIM happy , i rather he be straight up and say i rather play in miami than go somewhere were he really doesnt want to be but just be there for other stuff that really isnt important in life

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 04:26 PM
LeBron wants to win and in miami is his best chance... He has already proven he can lead a team to the finals with a crappy supporting cast.... but in the end you need great players around you in this league in order to win... it's his time to shine and make history by teaming up and creating one of the best duos in NBA history since Jordan/Pippen... Nobody says crap about kobe and the lakers stacked starting line-up and deep bench...


For crying out loud Odom comes off the bench! that guy starts on almost any other team in the NBA!

So you are saying Lebron can't win in Chicago with Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah?

At least if he went to the Bulls you can say it is his team still.

Rivera
07-08-2010, 04:27 PM
i dont trust this source either


it was making me a believer until i read this


The executive said Miller is a player that James has stressed a desire to play alongside.

seriously? STRESSED to play with mike miller? seriously?

mike miller is a good player and all but it lost all credibility when this says lebron STRESSED to play with mike miller lol

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 04:28 PM
and another thing whats this stupid issue about legacy, he can have a legacy where ever he goes, it can be a branded partnership legacy as one of the best trio ever, its like being part of the crew that went to the moon for the first time, he will still have a legacy and will be making history, i think many people are seriously taking this legacy crap out of proportion

showtym24
07-08-2010, 04:28 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

Agree 110 %. If he goes there no one should mention him on same level as kobe and MJ. Not talent but legacy wise.

Slimsim
07-08-2010, 04:29 PM
If LBJ go the the Heats i can tell you one thing I'm going to Enjoy reading a lot of PSD negative Post about the heats and their players.

Draco
07-08-2010, 04:30 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

He might be considered the best player in the modern NBA but he'll never be considered the best player in the history of the NBA. That's for other fans to mull over. That stuff doesn't concern me as much as the real possibility that recruiting Lebron, Wade and Bosh was gigantic waste of time and resources because they knew where they were going for a while now.

what54!?
07-08-2010, 04:30 PM
If LBJ go the the Heats i can tell you one thing I'm going to Enjoy reading a lot of PSD negative Post about the heats and their players.
:laugh2:

I know

DABOYZ82
07-08-2010, 04:30 PM
Lebron and Bosh arent worthy for ********. They have to form an so called dream team to beat the Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, and all the other solid teams.... Easy way out guys easy way out.. even at that.. come on now they will get tired throughout the season and be exhausted in the playoffs!! Miami may get James,Miller,Bosh and whoever else but what about the bench... They dont have a solid bench... All i have to say is it is going to be a total waste..... GOOOOO SPURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

arkanian215
07-08-2010, 04:31 PM
All that matters is rings right? What does it matter who their supporting cast is then?

Wade with an ok cast got the Heat the 5th seed
Bosh with an ok cast got the Raptors to missing the playoffs by a game.
Lebron with an ok cast got the Cavs to the best record in the league.

If LeBron wanted to win a ring, this is the best situation to do so out of the teams who are still in the mix.

Bring The Heat
07-08-2010, 04:31 PM
So you are saying Lebron can't win in Chicago with Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah?

At least if he went to the Bulls you can say it is his team still.


No he probaly could never said he couldn't... I said his best chance would obviously be in Miami.... But why would you pass up teaming up with Wade who is one of the best players in the world and creating what should be the most exciting and unstoppable duo in history...

DABOYZ82
07-08-2010, 04:32 PM
James will never be a kobe or jordan!!! Write that down!!

EaglesJackson10
07-08-2010, 04:33 PM
When I thought I couldn't hate Lebron more then I did he proves me wrong. It's going to be hard for me to root against the heat though because I have alot of respect for Dwayne Wade.

Kingz4L
07-08-2010, 04:33 PM
I love this move, Lebron to MIA, Bosh to MIA, Jersey Shore is in MIA, damn I might come to MIA now too :)

Bring The Heat
07-08-2010, 04:33 PM
and another thing whats this stupid issue about legacy, he can have a legacy where ever he goes, it can be a branded partnership legacy as one of the best trio ever, its like being part of the crew that went to the moon for the first time, he will still have a legacy and will be making history, i think many people are seriously taking this legacy crap out of proportion

i agree... I think people are more angry... It's funny the same people talking crap wouldn't be if he was joining their team I guarantee their opinion would be alot different

EaglesJackson10
07-08-2010, 04:34 PM
James will never be a kobe or jordan!!! Write that down!!

I dont think thats necessary.

showtym24
07-08-2010, 04:34 PM
no he probaly could never said he couldn't... I said his best chance would obviously be in miami.... But why would you pass up teaming up with wade who is one of the best players in the world and creating what should be the most exciting and unstoppable duo in history...



no

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 04:35 PM
i bet most of you make these super teams when you play video games overriding the fair trades in the machine because you enjoy it, most people just hate this cause they arent going to your team, I bet no knick would be crying if wade lebron and bosh went to the knicks or a bull fan if they went to their team.. etc etc

Knowledge
07-08-2010, 04:35 PM
Agree 110 %. If he goes there no one should mention him on same level as kobe and MJ. Not talent but legacy wise.

Kobe was a sidekick for 3 rings so I wouldnt put Kobe and MJ in the same sentence.

As far as Lebron goes, why does he need to be compare to MJ when he could win like Bill Russell. Im not saying these guys will get as many rings, but if this team does what it should, there legacies will write themselves.

SpeeMN
07-08-2010, 04:37 PM
Media Member A says Lebron is definitely going to the heat
Media Member B says Lebron is definitely going to the knicks
Media Member C says Lebron is definitely going to the bulls

When Lebron Picks lets say the knicks, Media Members A and C just have to say their sources where wrong and no credit is lost.
Media Member B can then reap the credit of "saying" he knew where lebron was going.

In reality all the Media is doing is setting up for a Low Risk/High Reward situation. The media members who get it right get increased ratings and possible a raise/bonus.

dabears2010
07-08-2010, 04:37 PM
I still don't believe that LeBron is stupid enough to take a $1 million less salary to join Wade, Bosh, and Chalmers when he could get his full MAX salary to join a better team of Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Gibson, Johnson. Like the cap guy said........If he joins the Bulls, they are instantly the best team in the NBA. I agree 100% with that. I also think that if he joins the Heat, they are only a top 8 team in the NBA. You need a rotation of AT LEAST 7-8 players in the NBA. The Bulls already have 6. With LeBron they'd have $2 million left and have 7 players. then they take that $2 million and sign someone like Kyle Korver giving them 8 players. They'd only need to sign 4 minimum players. This is FAR BETTER SCENARIO THAN JOINING THE HEAT.

Rivera
07-08-2010, 04:37 PM
and another thing whats this stupid issue about legacy, he can have a legacy where ever he goes, it can be a branded partnership legacy as one of the best trio ever, its like being part of the crew that went to the moon for the first time, he will still have a legacy and will be making history, i think many people are seriously taking this legacy crap out of proportion

u right

Neil Armstrong = Dwayne Wade

Buzz Aldrich (who knows Buzz lightyear for all i care) = Lebron

That 3rd man on the moon no1 can name = chris bosh


better yet they can be the fugees

Layrun Hill (the best in the group but DIVA) - Lebron

Wyclef (the mastermind the one who makes it work the producer) - DWADE

the 3rd guy in the fugees that no1 can name - Chris Bosh

Kingz4L
07-08-2010, 04:38 PM
James will never be a kobe or jordan!!! Write that down!!

Kobe will never be Jordan...Write that down you idiot, cant you see that Kobe needs a great team to win. The moment Lebron has a chance to play with stars all you haters start complaining about the dumbest crap. Kobe needs the best PF in the league to win...everybody needs help. Sit back enjoy the games...damn some of you people really need a damn life.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:38 PM
Are you kidding me? You make great posts all the time but this one is just ridiculous.

You're trying to say that Michael WAS NOT a great player on a great team? Those Bulls teams were just as good as the 80's lakers or celtics. Bird and Magic were drafted to their team, just like Michael and the Front offices of the Bulls, Celts and Lakers built around them. All three players were surrounded by a great supporting cast and a great player.

I strongly disagree. The Bulls teams were built around Michael Jordan, those teams led to what we see now with teams putting forth their Franchise player and then going out to duplicate what the Bulls did with Jordan by building a team around 1 player. 1 player who shines brighter than everyone else, but the quality of his team is good enough for him to "carry" them to a Championship. This is what has been done for LeBron & Wade. This is why they've been compared to Jordan, had Wade or LeBron ended up on the Lakers in 03' and emerged into great players. I highly doubt either would be compared to Jordan while molding their game to play with Kobe & Shaq.

The Lakers were built around Kareem. The addition of Magic and later Worthy got the ball rolling on a great team in the 80's. Magic emerged as the engine. A similar thing happened in Boston with Bird. You're talking about a team in Boston that already had 3 future Hall of Famer's the year before Bird arrived. Bird got there and became the engine leading his great team.

Magic & Bird's legacies are tied into the legacy of their Dynasty's in the 80's that influenced their rivalry. We're talking about individual great players here but they played on a team with multiple great players. Jordan was a great team guy too, but he is most known for his individual greatness than he is for those Bulls teams. Nobody talks about The Bulls in the 90's winning 6 rings, they talk about Jordan winning 6 rings.




What LeBron is doing completely ruins his legacy as a top-5 all-time great. Is he still going to be a dominant player? Yes. Will he most likely break records? yes. If he wins a championship, will he be considered the main player on his team(like MJ, Larry and Magic)? No... and that is what hurts him.

What LeBron & Wade are doing is trying to define their individual legacies with a team. They Magic/Bird approach. We've never seen anything like this on this magnitutde based on where they are at now, and their intentions for doing it.

The NBA wants them to be Jordan-like. Stay with 1 franchise as the superstar and eventually add the pieces and a sidekick to join them. I highly doubt the NBA ever thought they'd see these two Jordan-like figures sacrifice an individual legacy for the legacy of winning championships together on a great team.

ruslan898
07-08-2010, 04:39 PM
Beasley to the Sixers... I like!!!!

showtym24
07-08-2010, 04:39 PM
Kobe was a sidekick for 3 rings so I wouldnt put Kobe and MJ in the same sentence.

As far as Lebron goes, why does he need to be compare to MJ when he could win like Bill Russell. Im not saying these guys will get as many rings, but if this team does what it should, there legacies will write themselves.

Hahahaha the old side kick excuse. Bottom line lebron wins rings there he wont be without a doubt the "MAN" like kobe has done the last two years and will continue IMO, and MJ when he won. NBA finals down 1 game 7 who you want taking the last shot wade or lebron? Thank you very much.

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 04:40 PM
I still don't believe that LeBron is stupid enough to take a $1 million less salary to join Wade, Bosh, and Chalmers when he could get his full MAX salary to join a better team of Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Gibson, Johnson. Like the cap guy said........If he joins the Bulls, they are instantly the best team in the NBA. I agree 100% with that. I also think that if he joins the Heat, they are only a top 8 team in the NBA. You need a rotation of AT LEAST 7-8 players in the NBA. The Bulls already have 6. With LeBron they'd have $2 million left and have 7 players. then they take that $2 million and sign someone like Kyle Korver giving them 8 players. They'd only need to sign 4 minimum players. This is FAR BETTER SCENARIO THAN JOINING THE HEAT.

ever cross someones head that maybe he likes dwayne wade and they would like to play together? wow 1 million less? whats that like toilet paper for someone who will make more off the court than on it?

BkOriginalOne
07-08-2010, 04:40 PM
This going to force other teams to make similar moves.

NY is going to renew the HEAT Knicks rivalry, w/ a Amare, MELO, CP3... Howard, Melo, CP3 tandem.

Suns4ever67
07-08-2010, 04:41 PM
Stockton and Malone never won a championship together. I think it's totally possible that these 3 team together will never win one because they can't play together.

Add a center and a PG to the mix. Well, the center can't shoot from range, and the PG needs to pass, so beat Miami by playing zone. None of the 3 can shoot consistantly from 3. If they dare to play Bosh at center, they'll get destroyed by big teams like Orlando, LA, and Portland.

Garnett, Allen, and Pierce played well together because you had a long range specialist, a slasher, and a post player. Wade, Lebron, and Bosh . . . two slashers and a post player. I can see Lebron and Wade running over each other trying to find the rim only to run down Bosh in the post.

Miami is trying to become the Yankees of basketball, problem is they don't have the unlimited salary cap to make it work.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:41 PM
Yeah. Those Laker and Celtic teams had at times 3+ hall of famers on those teams.

That's the case here (Bosh doesn't deserve HOF yet). I don't see how it should totally kill his legacy.

He's on a great team. Kobe shouldn't be punished for playing with Shaq. Pippen and Jordan shouldn't be punished for playing with eachother. Bird/McHale/Parrish/Tiny...Russell/Ramsey/Cousey/Macauley/Jones/Jones/Havlichek....Magic/Kareem/Worthy/Riley...Elgin/West/Chamberlain...

I mean, you get it. A lot of hall of famers played with other HOFers.

Win a few rings as the clear #1, and he still is easily a top 10 player ever.

I agree.

Wade & LeBron each are HOF players if they retired today. Chapter 1 of Individual Greatness is over. Now its time for their Chapter 2 of Team Greatness. I know I've never seen anything like it, and I doubt many others on here witnessed anything in the past like it.

This is literally like Kaka & Christiano Ronaldo joining forces last year for Real Madrid.

showtym24
07-08-2010, 04:42 PM
Kobe will never be Jordan...Write that down you idiot, cant you see that Kobe needs a great team to win. The moment Lebron has a chance to play with stars all you haters start complaining about the dumbest crap. Kobe needs the best PF in the league to win...everybody needs help. Sit back enjoy the games...damn some of you people really need a damn life.

It's funny 90 percent of people on here get mad when any laker fan says that. :D

_KB24_
07-08-2010, 04:42 PM
Of course this is going to hurt his legacy if he pulls through with this. I still don't understand why he doesn't go to the BULLS or even the Knicks now when he has a better position to win with them than he has with the Heat. He is clearly the #1 guy in NYC and CHI-town and he even has arguably the better chance of winning with them as they play in the weaker divisions and have better talent spread out. It makes no sense to me why he would take LESS money to go to Miami to be the CLEAR #2 guy and tarnish his legacy. This is like Magic going to play on the Celtics with Bird and Mchale already their.

P-O-Z
07-08-2010, 04:43 PM
Hahahaha the old side kick excuse. Bottom line lebron wins rings there he wont be without a doubt the "MAN" like kobe has done the last two years and will continue IMO, and MJ when he won. NBA finals down 1 game 7 who you want taking the last shot wade or lebron? Thank you very much.

lol 6-24 game 7

Bring The Heat
07-08-2010, 04:43 PM
yes

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:43 PM
Hahahaha the old side kick excuse. Bottom line lebron wins rings there he wont be without a doubt the "MAN" like kobe has done the last two years and will continue IMO, and MJ when he won. NBA finals down 1 game 7 who you want taking the last shot wade or lebron? Thank you very much.

I still dont know why people continue to compare LeBron to Kobe. Lets make comparisons once their careers are over.

Kobe will never be Jordan, and LeBron will never be Jordan.

That doesn't mean both players wont finish their careers as Top 10 NBA players of All-Time.

FarOutIos
07-08-2010, 04:44 PM
Agree 110 %. If he goes there no one should mention him on same level as kobe and MJ. Not talent but legacy wise.

Just like Kobe shouldn't be mentioned on the same level as MJ since Kobe could not win until they traded for Pau. And with Pau, Lamar and Artest- that makes a lot of help that Kobe needs to win a title...

I love it when the pot calls the kettle black. No Laker or Celtic should EVER be allowed to question a James/Wade/Bosh trio...

And here's a question for you... LA had a team salary over $90 million last year. Boston's was over $80 million.

Do you think Miami will have the highest team salary this year? If they don't, doesn't that ruin your argument?

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 04:44 PM
No he probaly could never said he couldn't... I said his best chance would obviously be in Miami.... But why would you pass up teaming up with Wade who is one of the best players in the world and creating what should be the most exciting and unstoppable duo in history...

Because you shouldn't have to go to a team that already has a top 3 player in order to win. You should be the main focal point of a team and be the man hands down to win. Personally I value turning a losing franchise into a winner highly vs going to winning organizations or winning situations from the beginning.

Knowledge
07-08-2010, 04:44 PM
Hahahaha the old side kick excuse. Bottom line lebron wins rings there he wont be without a doubt the "MAN" like kobe has done the last two years, and MJ when he won. NBA finals down 1 game 7 who you want taking the last shot wade or lebron? Thank you very much.

That is not a excuse, it is the truth. Do you think Kobe was better than Shaq when they played together?

As far as the last shot goes, Wade and Lebron will share responsibility. I trust Lebron to make the right decision just as much as I trust Wade to make the shot.

Another thing to remember is that Lebron is only 25. He has enough time left to win championships as both the 1A option of this big 3 ( if he is the 1A option) and win when Wade starts to decline due to age. When Lebron reaches his prime, Wade will hit that 30 barrier and unless Wade develops a more sound way of playing ball like Kobe I dont think his body will allow him to play up to the level he is playing at now.

Lebron can be both the Heat's future and present.

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 04:44 PM
lebron will never be tim hardaway! and dwayne will never be steve smith

Suns4ever67
07-08-2010, 04:45 PM
Kobe will never be Jordan...Write that down you idiot, cant you see that Kobe needs a great team to win. The moment Lebron has a chance to play with stars all you haters start complaining about the dumbest crap. Kobe needs the best PF in the league to win...everybody needs help. Sit back enjoy the games...damn some of you people really need a damn life.

Jordan needed the best SF in the league to win . . . Pippen.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:45 PM
Of course this is going to hurt his legacy if he pulls through with this. I still don't understand why he doesn't go to the BULLS or even the Knicks now when he has a better position to win with them than he has with the Heat. He is clearly the #1 guy in NYC and CHI-town and he even has arguably the better chance of winning with them as they play in the weaker divisions and have better talent spread out. It makes no sense to me why he would take LESS money to go to Miami to be the CLEAR #2 guy and tarnish his legacy. This is like Magic going to play on the Celtics with Bird and Mchale already their.

Exactly.

If Magic went to the Celtics, or if Bird went to the Lakers would it take away from how great each were as players? I dont think so.

I can't think of 1 player with a career worthy of being a Top 10 player in NBA History, who gets knocked for playing on a great team.

Sox Appeal
07-08-2010, 04:46 PM
Going to Miami won't change how good of a player he is, all it will do is hide whether or not he can lead a team that isn't a super team to a championship. He'll still be the best player; going to Miami isn't going to instantly make him worse of a player. But I see your point.

I do think it is a ***** move though. It's no secret I really like LeBron. I won't lose too much respect for him, but I certainly will not root for him even remotely as much if he does go to Miami.

This.

Kingz4L
07-08-2010, 04:46 PM
George W Bush will never be Hitler :)

dabears2010
07-08-2010, 04:47 PM
I still don't believe that LeBron is stupid enough to take a $1 million less salary to join Wade, Bosh, and Chalmers when he could get his full MAX salary to join a better team of Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Gibson, Johnson. Like the cap guy said........If he joins the Bulls, they are instantly the best team in the NBA. I agree 100% with that. I also think that if he joins the Heat, they are only a top 8 team in the NBA. You need a rotation of AT LEAST 7-8 players in the NBA. The Bulls already have 6. With LeBron they'd have $2 million left and have 7 players. then they take that $2 million and sign someone like Kyle Korver giving them 8 players. They'd only need to sign 4 minimum players. This is FAR BETTER SCENARIO THAN JOINING THE HEAT.

To the Contrary if he joined the Heat, he would be joining Wade, Bosh, Chalmers (Beasley would probably be gone to make it happen). After this, they'd have about $5 million to spend on the rest of their roster. They are talking about getting Miller, meaning all of the "big 3" would take cuts in pay. then they'd have a team that looked like this:

MIAMI w/ LeBron and possible others: Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Chalmers, Miller, (minimum), (minimum), (minimum), (minimum), (minimum), (minimum), (minimum)

BULLS w/ LeBron and possible others: Rose, LeBron, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Gibson, Johnson, Korver, (minimum), (minimum), (minimum), (minimum)

WHICH LOOKS BETTER? THE BULLS by far.

Although LeBron would be playing with 2 other "superstars" in Miami, he'd be playing with 4 other "superstars" (rose, deng, boozer, noah) in Chicago. Now I understand that Rose and Noah aren't YET better than Bosh and Wade, but when you also add in Deng and Boozer (compared to Chalmers and Miller), the Bulls clearly have a better team. They also have a SF and PF already for the bench. The Bulls also have a Center that averages a double-double while the Heat have no center.

govade
07-08-2010, 04:47 PM
What if LeBron wins 5 titles with DWade & Bosh and another 5 after, will he not be the greatest of all time?
You guys are so freaking ridiculouse it's not even funny.

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 04:48 PM
Jordan needed the best SF in the league to win . . . Pippen.

Pippen wasn't even an allstar when the Bulls won their 1st and last titles. Answer this when Pippen came to the Bulls was he a star? Was he even a starter? How did he get better?

Next off in the league in 1991 and 1992 was Larry Bird, Dominique Wilkins, James Worthy, Chris Mullin and Bernard King. From 1996-1998 was Grant Hill, Glen Rice So there is debate on if Pippen was really the best SF in the league. For the entire 90's overall I would say yes, but for individual seasons only a few seasons can it be said he was the best SF in the business.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:48 PM
Because you shouldn't have to go to a team that already has a top 3 player in order to win. You should be the main focal point of a team and be the man hands down to win. Personally I value turning a losing franchise into a winner highly vs going to winning organizations or winning situations from the beginning.

I agree.

This whole scenario is great for the NBA to sell as a legit "dominant team" in the NBA. However it takes away from watching LeBron & Wade lead their own teams against each other. Thats what a rivalry is all about. There wont be any legit competition or longterm rivalry for The Diva Team in Miami.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 04:50 PM
What if LeBron wins 5 titles with DWade & Bosh and another 5 after, will he not be the greatest of all time?
You guys are so freaking ridiculouse it's not even funny.

If that happens. Yes. I think LeBron would be the greatest of all time.

pacofunk64
07-08-2010, 04:51 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

Took the words right out of my mouth...

Ok first of all how in hell can they do this with limited cap? I mean they have to have depth right? Secondly...I know they all want to win championships but in LBJ's case he has the possiblity to go down as the best player ever. If he goes to Miami this will ruin is legacy IMO. It's Wade's team & never will it be LBJ's. I mean "LEGACY" has to count for something, right?

Jonathan2323
07-08-2010, 04:53 PM
Hurting his brand and Legacy? How is winning going to do that. People are just mad because this team is probably going to win multiple championships.

Reversed86Curse
07-08-2010, 04:54 PM
he isnt discounting that but any shot of lebron reaching jordan, duncan and kobe level is shattered with this move

I agree, Lebron teaming up with two of the top 12 players in the League will all but ensure that his legacy will be that he can't win it on his own with a solid wing-man, like Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Gasol, Duncan/Parker etc.

He so desperately wants to build this almost invincible brand for his name, but this is, IMHO, exactly opposite of what he should do.

Best thing for him would be to stay w/ Cleveland or go to the Nets, and show people that his team can beat the new beast of the East

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 04:55 PM
See I have no problem if Wade wins like this simply because the Heat is Wade's team and Wade also has won before.

govade
07-08-2010, 04:56 PM
Exactly, there can't be any legacy without Chips.
And after Wade has declined Lebron will still be able to prove that he is the all time great by winning even more.
There is really nothing to say against this move unless you are some jealous fan of another franchise.

Ramon Nivar
07-08-2010, 04:59 PM
In the end it would mean nothing. Wade and Bosh aren't exactly sure Hall of Famers here. These are two very good young players but neither will appear on anyone's top lists (Yet) besides fans of their own teams.

Rivera
07-08-2010, 05:00 PM
Hurting his brand and Legacy? How is winning going to do that. People are just mad because this team is probably going to win multiple championships.

winning as the #1 option is actually pretty big deal to ur brand and legacy

one thing PSDers can agree on is

IF LEBRON joined the Heat its DWAYNE WADES team

so winning lets say 5 titles as Dwades sidekick hurts

ask kobe winnin 3 titles with shaq if it hur his legacy

cause people still say "those were shaqs teams"

and people will say abt lebron "he won titles because he joined DWade it was DWades team"

i think dwade is the real genius here tryin to convince every1 to go to miami (living in South beach doesnt hurt) bc every1 who goes joins his team an it will make DWADE look better than lebron

and lets not forget the 06 finals those 4 games DWADE won was the closest michael jordan "type" performance we will ever seee.

8kobe24
07-08-2010, 05:00 PM
LeBron wants to win and in miami is his best chance... He has already proven he can lead a team to the finals with a crappy supporting cast.... but in the end you need great players around you in this league in order to win... it's his time to shine and make history by teaming up and creating one of the best duos in NBA history since Jordan/Pippen... Nobody says crap about kobe and the lakers stacked starting line-up and deep bench...


For crying out loud Odom comes off the bench! that guy starts on almost any other team in the NBA!

Just for clarification, would it be wade's team or lebron's team? Who gets the ball when the game is on the line? I'm sure this issue will come up. Who is the Jordan and who is the Pippen? Are they mature enough to give way to each other when the going gets tough and the media is starting to pit them against each other?

Yes Kobe has a great team, because he has a team that compliments each others game and most important, these guys provided what the team needs. I'm sure most people would not consider Gasol top 5 in this league and he is the #2 guy in the Lakers.

The celtic's big 3 were able to do it back in 08, because they put egos aside. But celtic's big 3 and miami's soon to be big 3 are two different groups with different personalities. Don't get me wrong, Miami will be the best team in the league talent wise, but will they be able to handle the pressure of anything less than a championship is = failure?

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 05:01 PM
Exactly, there can't be any legacy without Chips.
And after Wade has declined Lebron will still be able to prove that he is the all time great by winning even more.
There is really nothing to say against this move unless you are some jealous fan of another franchise.

This would be like Hakeem or Barkley going to the Bulls in 1993 when they were top 3 players in the league.

JordansBulls
07-08-2010, 05:02 PM
In the end it would mean nothing. Wade and Bosh aren't exactly sure Hall of Famers here. These are two very good young players but neither will appear on anyone's top lists (Yet) besides fans of their own teams.

How is Wade not a hall of famer?

Vidball
07-08-2010, 05:03 PM
Wherever he ends up it's ridiculous how LBJ is going about things. There are rumors on yahoo that Wade & Bosh are already upset that LBJ's camp leaked that Wade & Bosh were committing to the Heat, he's strung every team along, kept his fans in CLE on the edge of their seats, and on and on and on. I don't care if he goes to MIA or not (I think CHI would be a much better team for him), but he really has turned himself into the biggest Diva the NBA has ever seen--oh yeah, and he STILL doesn't have a ring.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-08-2010, 05:04 PM
Im sure Lebron has been thinking the same thing the entire time. He knows what the media will think of this and yet he is still going to Miami (if the reports are justified). He wants to win championships so bad that he's willing to damage his reputation forever. This is one story that will be talked about forever.

You have to give Lebron credit for sacrificing all of that, which im sure he cares about it more than anyone else, to win championships.

Southsideheat
07-08-2010, 05:04 PM
Him deciding to go to the Heat means he doesn't care about his legacy. Which is fine. It just seems he can't handle being the alpha dog. Which again is fine.

ohreally
07-08-2010, 05:04 PM
I'd like to see him stay in Cleveland and say that he doesn't like the strategy of losing and depleting your team in order to try to get a certain player. But he wouldn't be a coward for choosing to go to Miami. If anything it would show that he isn't quite as ego-driven as people like to think he is. If he doesn't stay in Cleveland and doesn't go to Miami I'd say then he's a bit of a coward, since that would be the best core he could ever possibly play with. Chicago, with their roster, an argument could be made as being a smart choice since it would be the best pretty complete team, but anywhere else ... why?

The Jokemaker
07-08-2010, 05:06 PM
This would be like Hakeem or Barkley going to the Bulls in 1993 when they were top 3 players in the league.

Exactly. It'd be like Kobe, Iverson and Sheed/Garnett teaming up in the early 00s. If he goes to Miami it is going to be total anarchy. And good luck filling up that bench.

justinnum1
07-08-2010, 05:06 PM
In the end it would mean nothing. Wade and Bosh aren't exactly sure Hall of Famers here. These are two very good young players but neither will appear on anyone's top lists (Yet) besides fans of their own teams.

:facepalm: Wade is absolutely a HOF lock

Jonathan2323
07-08-2010, 05:06 PM
Everyonre is acting like this is official, its not.

8kobe24
07-08-2010, 05:07 PM
winning as the #1 option is actually pretty big deal to ur brand and legacy

one thing PSDers can agree on is

IF LEBRON joined the Heat its DWAYNE WADES team

so winning lets say 5 titles as Dwades sidekick hurts

ask kobe winnin 3 titles with shaq if it hur his legacy

cause people still say "those were shaqs teams"

and people will say abt lebron "he won titles because he joined DWade it was DWades team"

i think dwade is the real genius here tryin to convince every1 to go to miami (living in South beach doesnt hurt) bc every1 who goes joins his team an it will make DWADE look better than lebron

and lets not forget the 06 finals those 4 games DWADE won was the closest michael jordan "type" performance we will ever seee.

Yeah but lebron was supposed to be "THE ONE" or should I say the "THE CHOSEN ONE". If he joins the heat then he should get that tattoo changed to "THE CHOSEN 1b", wade being 1a.

hype707
07-08-2010, 05:07 PM
He isn't reaching Jordan's level. Point Blank.

.

:clap:

Me and Mr. T
07-08-2010, 05:07 PM
Hurting his brand and Legacy? How is winning going to do that. People are just mad because this team is probably going to win multiple championships.

Win multiple championships? Give me a break. Just because you have three superstars on your team doesn't guarantee that you're going to win. Look at how long it took the Yankees to win a World Series with all the talent they had? I'm a Yankees fan too, but to say just because you put together this all-star team you're automatically going to win is a joke. It's all about team chemistry.

kendawg73
07-08-2010, 05:11 PM
I don't see why people are handing the Championship to Miami if LeBron goes there? The Cavaliers had the best record in the NBA and lost to Boston! The Cavaliers had a better bench then what the Heat will have, trust me in the playoffs they will fall!!!!

Jonathan2323
07-08-2010, 05:11 PM
Win multiple championships? Give me a break. Just because you have three superstars on your team doesn't guarantee that you're going to win. Look at how long it took the Yankees to win a World Series with all the talent they had? I'm a Yankees fan too, but to say just because you put together this all-star team you're automatically going to win is a joke. It's all about team chemistry.

In Basketball there are 5 players on the court, in Baseball you need a lot of players and outstanding pitching to win. You can't compare sports.

beasted86
07-08-2010, 05:11 PM
:laugh2: at anyone who thinks Chris Bosh & Carlos Boozer are "even"

Me and Mr. T
07-08-2010, 05:11 PM
I don't see why people are handing the Championship to Miami if LeBron goes there? The Cavaliers had the best record in the NBA and lost to Boston! The Cavaliers had a better bench then what the Heat will have, trust me in the playoffs they will fall!!!!

Exactly! You don't win championships on paper.

Vidball
07-08-2010, 05:12 PM
I agree, Lebron teaming up with two of the top 12 players in the League will all but ensure that his legacy will be that he can't win it on his own with a solid wing-man, like Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Gasol, Duncan/Parker etc.

He so desperately wants to build this almost invincible brand for his name, but this is, IMHO, exactly opposite of what he should do.

Best thing for him would be to stay w/ Cleveland or go to the Nets, and show people that his team can beat the new beast of the East

The thing is, LeBron can't win without a team that's stacked. He had a championship caliber team around him this year--Shaq, Jamison, Mo...if he can't get out of the second round with that, he needs a stacked team. Bosh is a 20-10 guy, Wade is clutch...it might be enough (though I think Wade is the #1 on the team), but I still think CHI is a better fit with Rose, Noah, Deng, & Boozer.

97NYer
07-08-2010, 05:12 PM
Look, I don't know about you guys, but I will hate LeBron for signing in Miami. Wade and Bosh on the same team is already unfair. Add the best player in the league....? This team will smash the Bulls 72-10 single season record.

Gators123
07-08-2010, 05:13 PM
:laugh2: at anyone who thinks Chris Bosh & Carlos Boozer are "even"

Its simple.


Bosh>>>>Boozer

Me and Mr. T
07-08-2010, 05:13 PM
In Basketball there are 5 players on the court in Baseball you need a lot of players and outstanding pitching to win. You can't compare sports.

Sure you can! Just because a team looks great on paper doesn't mean that they are automatically going to win it every year. If that was the case the Yankees would just be handed the trophy every year. To say the Heat are going to win multiple championships because they have THREE players is laughable.

Me and Mr. T
07-08-2010, 05:14 PM
Look, I don't know about you guys, but I will hate LeBron for signing in Miami. Wade and Bosh on the same team is already unfair. Add the best player in the league....? This team will smash the Bulls 72-10 single season record.

Give me a break! There is no way they are going to break that record!

TheKing23
07-08-2010, 05:15 PM
I didn't wanna create another new thread but there's been a report from someone "who is a definite insider when it comes to James and is not affiliated with Cleveland" that has reported LBJ could be staying in Cleveland.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/08/so-wait-lebron-is-staying/


In 1780, I might not really have believed Benedict Arnold was signing with the British for the mid-level exception.

In 1912, I might not have confirmed the Titanic really was sinking until John Jacob Astor's wife left her diamonds behind.

It's 2010, and I'm still not convinced LeBron James is bolting to the Miami Heat.

I thought I was the only person in that category Thursday afternoon. Then I told Orlando general manager Otis Smith that I still thought James would return to Cleveland, and he said, "I think you're right.''

Now, I'm on a roll. I then dialed up somebody who is a definite insider when it comes to James and is not affiliated with Cleveland. This man, who is well known in NBA circles but said his name can't be used, believes James will announce Thursday night on ESPN that he's re-signing with the Cavaliers.

This isn't a "FanHouse-has-learned'' story, but this person does know more than most. And he offered some pretty good reasons why James will not abandon the team in his native Ohio.

"I think those reports are wrong,'' said the individual about reports James, a native of Akron, Ohio, is bolting to the Heat. "LeBron is not going to schedule a one-hour television show just to say that he's sticking it to his hometown. There's no way.''

Furthermore, the individual doesn't see James leaving Cleveland and turning down the extra money he could get by signing with the Cavaliers. Cleveland can give him a six-year, rather than a five-year contract, and 10.5 percent, rather than 8 percent raises.

"He's not going to leave $30 million on the table,'' he said. "I know LeBron.''

Then again, lots of people who know James are saying plenty of things these days. So who knows what he's going to do?

This just in: Somebody who is close to somebody who knows the King's cleaning lady believes he will join the Birmingham Barons to prove that, even if he might be six rings shy in basketball, he's definitely a better baseball player than Michael Jordan.

And FanHouse has just confirmed the Titanic did indeed sink.

It's fanhouse so take it for what it's worth, but I thought it was kinda interesting...

Vidball
07-08-2010, 05:16 PM
Look, I don't know about you guys, but I will hate LeBron for signing in Miami. Wade and Bosh on the same team is already unfair. Add the best player in the league....? This team will smash the Bulls 72-10 single season record.

Wade & Bosh on the same team isn't unfair at all...they would still be behind ORL, BOS, and a CLE or CHI team with LBJ.

With LBJ they are probably the best team in the East, but they would only be 3 deep...it would be tough to have much playoff success unless they convince a handful of verterans to play for the minimum which I don't see happening.

Sportfan
07-08-2010, 05:17 PM
:laugh2: at anyone who thinks Chris Bosh & Carlos Boozer are "even"
Well Boozer is A LOT better than Bosh defensively, and has a great post game. I'd take Bosh though, slightly

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 05:19 PM
Look, I don't know about you guys, but I will hate LeBron for signing in Miami. Wade and Bosh on the same team is already unfair. Add the best player in the league....? This team will smash the Bulls 72-10 single season record.

and if bosh and wade and lebron would have joined the knicks would you still find it unfair and hated lebron?

dabears2010
07-08-2010, 05:20 PM
Wade & Bosh on the same team isn't unfair at all...they would still be behind ORL, BOS, and a CLE or CHI team with LBJ.

With LBJ they are probably the best team in the East, but they would only be 3 deep...it would be tough to have much playoff success unless they convince a handful of verterans to play for the minimum which I don't see happening.

FAIL.......Even with LeBron they are still the 4th or 5th seed in the EAST. It takes more than 3 players to win a Championship and the Heat only have 4 possibly 5 if Miller and LeBron join them.

Southsideheat
07-08-2010, 05:20 PM
If all those three were on the Bulls, it would kinda seem empty to me. I'm being honest.

showtym24
07-08-2010, 05:20 PM
lol 6-24 game 7

15-35 in game 6. Oh you were in diapers then nevermind.

Catfish1314
07-08-2010, 05:22 PM
People keep saying that, but i give him credit for wanting to win. I'd sign a 2 or 3 year deal, win the title, then go off and try and win it somewhere else.

Team-hopping again would only further damage his legacy IMO.

His legacy would benefit the most if he won a 'ship or two as the leader of that team. The anchor. Is he going to be the leader or the anchor of the team in Miami? Not with Wade there.


he isnt discounting that but any shot of lebron reaching jordan, duncan and kobe level is shattered with this move

Agreed. Those guys are legends for being great players and winning multiple championships. LeBron can do the same thing but not lead his team to multiple championships like those guys did. If he goes to Miami, it's still Wade's team.

ManRam
07-08-2010, 05:24 PM
Guys. Cool it. Stop with the insults, baits and attacks.

Vidball
07-08-2010, 05:25 PM
Guys. Cool it. Stop with the insults, baits and attacks.

I know...this is almost like a Kobe thread :D

Sportfan
07-08-2010, 05:26 PM
Look, I don't know about you guys, but I will hate LeBron for signing in Miami. Wade and Bosh on the same team is already unfair. Add the best player in the league....? This team will smash the Bulls 72-10 single season record.
No because they're both slashers and won't be effective together like everyone thinks. They both want to be the PG's of their team when neither are actually PG's.

Its simple.


Bosh>>>>Boozer
lolz

In Basketball there are 5 players on the court, in Baseball you need a lot of players and outstanding pitching to win. You can't compare sports.
You also need a bench.

I don't see why people are handing the Championship to Miami if LeBron goes there? The Cavaliers had the best record in the NBA and lost to Boston! The Cavaliers had a better bench then what the Heat will have, trust me in the playoffs they will fall!!!!
this. Well expect for the fact the Heat had Bosh who Lebron doesn't have.

What if LeBron wins 5 titles with DWade & Bosh and another 5 after, will he not be the greatest of all time?
You guys are so freaking ridiculouse it's not even funny.
Yes, but you're ridiculous if you think he'll be winning championships by himself at 36.

Pippen wasn't even an allstar when the Bulls won their 1st and last titles. Answer this when Pippen came to the Bulls was he a star? Was he even a starter? How did he get better?

Next off in the league in 1991 and 1992 was Larry Bird, Dominique Wilkins, James Worthy, Chris Mullin and Bernard King. From 1996-1998 was Grant Hill, Glen Rice So there is debate on if Pippen was really the best SF in the league. For the entire 90's overall I would say yes, but for individual seasons only a few seasons can it be said he was the best SF in the business.
Because he was ****ing blocked by Jordan. Pippen is easily the most underrated wing of all time. The ultimate sidekick. A prime Pippen could lead a team to a championship

Because you shouldn't have to go to a team that already has a top 3 player in order to win. You should be the main focal point of a team and be the man hands down to win. Personally I value turning a losing franchise into a winner highly vs going to winning organizations or winning situations from the beginning.

Isn't that what KG, Pierce, and Allen did? Their legacies grew....

5+7=DYNASTY!!!
07-08-2010, 05:26 PM
If Lebron signs with the Heat, it will be a very sad day for the NBA.

showtym24
07-08-2010, 05:27 PM
That is not a excuse, it is the truth. Do you think Kobe was better than Shaq when they played together?

As far as the last shot goes, Wade and Lebron will share responsibility. I trust Lebron to make the right decision just as much as I trust Wade to make the shot.

Another thing to remember is that Lebron is only 25. He has enough time left to win championships as both the 1A option of this big 3 ( if he is the 1A option) and win when Wade starts to decline due to age. When Lebron reaches his prime, Wade will hit that 30 barrier and unless Wade develops a more sound way of playing ball like Kobe I dont think his body will allow him to play up to the level he is playing at now.

Lebron can be both the Heat's future and present.

Shaq wouldnt of won without kobe kobe wouldnt of won without shaq end there. As far as last shot its wade every time over bron comon man. Agree to disagree i guess.

ManRam
07-08-2010, 05:28 PM
FAIL.......Even with LeBron they are still the 4th or 5th seed in the EAST. It takes more than 3 players to win a Championship and the Heat only have 4 possibly 5 if Miller and LeBron join them.

I heard this about the Celtics the off-season before they won a ring.

:shrug:

They will easily be able to fill out their roster with guys willing to take less money to win...much like Boston did.

metsbulls1025
07-08-2010, 05:29 PM
This whole they want to win thing would be right if they all took less money to play together. Obviously if that Beasley deal goes down everyone gets their max money. Not to mention Lebron gets his 1 hour special on prime time TV. Then you have Bosh and Wade filming their interviews which many teams executives thought where disrespectful. Then you tie in the fact how much money they will get just by playing together. I am sure the most important thing is winning.

showtym24
07-08-2010, 05:29 PM
No because they're both slashers and won't be effective together like everyone thinks. They both want to be the PG's of their team when neither are actually PG's.

lolz

You also need a bench.

this. Well expect for the fact the Heat had Bosh who Lebron doesn't have.

Yes, but you're ridiculous if you think he'll be winning championships by himself at 36.

Because he was ****ing blocked by Jordan. Pippen is easily the most underrated wing of all time. The ultimate sidekick. A prime Pippen could lead a team to a championship


Isn't that what KG, Pierce, and Allen did? Their legacies grew....

Did you tune into the 93-94 season?

Vidball
07-08-2010, 05:31 PM
FAIL.......Even with LeBron they are still the 4th or 5th seed in the EAST. It takes more than 3 players to win a Championship and the Heat only have 4 possibly 5 if Miller and LeBron join them.

Haha...guess you've never seen these guys play. Wade and a bunch of scrubs got the 5th see this past season.

jiggin
07-08-2010, 05:31 PM
if this happens it will be interesting to see how they mesh. there are not enough shots in a game to have each of these players continue to play the role they once played in the past.

glad its in the east...and glad the west has gotten a little weaker this off-season. Tired of the west battling it out only to see that the #4 team in the division would be winning or the #2 team out east.

govade
07-08-2010, 05:32 PM
Yes, but you're ridiculous if you think he'll be winning championships by himself at 36.


I didn't say by himself, noone wins chips alone obviously.
Just saying legacy is made by winning chips and not going to lousy teams and try to win in an impossible situation.

krest213
07-08-2010, 05:32 PM
why would it be a sad day if LBJ signs with the Heat..
it wasn't a sad day for win the Ray allen and KG joined Paul P.
man **** it... play ball..

krest213
07-08-2010, 05:36 PM
i bet you, ya'll are the same scrubs at the ball park
that whines when a team have size and yall don't
basketball its all about skill baby.

showtym24
07-08-2010, 05:37 PM
Haha...guess you've never seen these guys play. Wade and a bunch of scrubs got the 5th see this past season.

East is gonna be wayyyyyyyyy stronger next season. But he is wrong they'd be the 1 or 2 seed defentley.

ElMarroAfamado
07-08-2010, 05:37 PM
haha at people thinking Lebron James is actually going to the Heat and be a ROLE PLAYER
get serious

lavilevi23
07-08-2010, 05:39 PM
To all the biased Bulls fans - lemme as you 1 simple question : If LeBron joined the Bulls, how much better of a supporting cast will he have when compared to his supporing cast last season with tha Cavs?

Catfish1314
07-08-2010, 05:39 PM
I heard this about the Celtics the off-season before they won a ring.

:shrug:

They will easily be able to fill out their roster with guys willing to take less money to win...much like Boston did.

The Celtics had the MLE and other Exceptions to work with. The Heat are under the cap so they won't have that luxury until next summer.

Unless those three guys took significant pay-cuts, the Heat would have a hard time filling out their roster. At least this summer.

LBJBULLS6
07-08-2010, 05:39 PM
This.

LeBron alters his legacy big time. Instead of following the path of Jordan, which Nike has pushed ever since he appeared on their radar. LeBron follows the path of a player like Magic Johnson or Larry Bird, a great player on a great team who shares the glory with Wade.

wouldn't put it any other way

Vidball
07-08-2010, 05:39 PM
i bet you, ya'll are the same scrubs at the ball park
that whines when a team have size and yall don't
basketball its all about skill baby.

Who are the scrubs? Everyone but you? To quote MJ..."Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." Was MJ a scrub? He doesn't agree with you either.

Catfish1314
07-08-2010, 05:42 PM
To all the biased Bulls fans - lemme as you 1 simple question : If LeBron joined the Bulls, how much better of a supporting cast will he have when compared to his supporing cast last season with tha Cavs?

Much better. LeBron has never played with a real 2nd option. He would have two in Chicago. And Noah and Gibson.

mjt20mik
07-08-2010, 05:44 PM
He wants to win, and if he goes to the heat there is a strong chance it will happen. I don't understand why people are upset by this.

dabears2010
07-08-2010, 05:45 PM
:laugh2: at anyone who thinks Chris Bosh & Carlos Boozer are "even"

You are ******** dude. Bosh whines everytime someone gets physical against him. He can't handle it. Bosh plays no defense what-so-ever cause he's afraid of the contact. Boozer on the other hand is shorter than Bosh, but is still a better defender. The ONLY things that Bosh is better at Boozer at are outside jump shots and FT%.

Boozer-2010 / (career) / [playoffs]: 19.5 ppg (17.2 ppg) [20.3 ppg], 0.5 bpg (0.5 bpg) [0.4 bpg], 1.1 spg (1.0 spg) [0.8 spg], 3.2 apg (2.5 apg) [2.8 apg], 11.2 rpg (10.2 rpg) [12.5 rpg], 74.2 FT% ( 72.8 FT%) [70.7 FT%], .000 3P% (.111 3P%), 56.2 FG% (54.1 FG%) [50.3 FG%]

***Boozer has 44 playoff games played/started in his career*** As you notice, Boozer steps up his game in the playoffs dramatically in many stats (ppg, spg, rpg).

Bosh-2010 / (career) / [playoffs]: 24.0 ppg (20.2 ppg) [20.5 ppg], 1.0 bpg (1.2 bpg) [1.2 bpg], 0.6 spg (0.8 spg) [1.2 spg], 2.4 apg (2.2 apg) [3.0 apg], 10.8 rpg (9.4 rpg) [9.0 rpg], 79.7 FT% (79.6 FT%) [83.8 FT%], 36.4 3P% (29.8 3P%) [16.7 3P%], 51.8 FG% (49.2 FT%) [43.4 FG%]

***Bosh has ONLY 11 playoff games played/started in his career*** As you notice, Bosh had a much better year in 2010 for ppg than his career/playoff averages. He steps up his defense in the playoffs at the cost of his offense. His rebounds are lower in the playoffs and his FG% is dramatically lower as well.

They are about as even as possible. Bosh obviously gets more blocks because he is taller. He also, like I said has a better outside jump shot (3P%, FT%), but Boozer has him in FG%, spg, apg, rpg. I'd take Boozers toughness and ability over Bosh's ability and cowardness anyday.

Catfish1314
07-08-2010, 05:46 PM
This.

LeBron alters his legacy big time. Instead of following the path of Jordan, which Nike has pushed ever since he appeared on their radar. LeBron follows the path of a player like Magic Johnson or Larry Bird, a great player on a great team who shares the glory with Wade.

Yeah but Magic and Bird started on those teams. People came to play with them. They never left to go play with other stars. It would be different if big players were flocking to Cleveland to play with LeBron. But he's ditching the Cavs to go win in Miami.

If I were LeBron, I would find infinitely more meaning by winning a championship in Cleveland than in Miami. Cleveland is home, where he started his career.

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 05:48 PM
maybe he signs a 1 year deal and next year he signs a 1 year deal with the knicks and so and so on, he will have a new legacy of saving the NBA by playing in all their teams to fill the seat and he will become the most loved basketball player of all time

and he will have images of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktgujXzj8-0

Sportfan
07-08-2010, 05:49 PM
I didn't say by himself, noone wins chips alone obviously.
Just saying legacy is made by winning chips and not going to lousy teams and try to win in an impossible situation.
well if he isn't being the #1 guy it won't matter.

mjt20mik
07-08-2010, 05:49 PM
Yeah but Magic and Bird started on those teams. People came to play with them. They never left to go play with other stars. It would be different if big players were flocking to Cleveland to play with LeBron. But he's ditching the Cavs to go win in Miami.

If I were LeBron, I would find infinitely more meaning by winning a championship in Cleveland than in Miami. Cleveland is home, where he started his career.

But then you go with probabilities. It is more probable for him to win with 1 superstar and 1 all-star, then just with a bunch of role players and no strong 2nd option. Sure it would mean more in Cleveland, but a championship is greater than no championship.

dabears2010
07-08-2010, 05:51 PM
Haha...guess you've never seen these guys play. Wade and a bunch of scrubs got the 5th see this past season.

Are you a Heat fan or just a pretender? First off they never would've gotten the 5th seed if Noah didn't get Plantar Fasciitis (12 game losing streak) and miss 18 games. Second of all, the Heat didn't have a bunch of scrubs. Carlos Arroyo, Udonis Haslem, Jamaal Magloire, Jermaine O'neal, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Michael Beasley, Joel Anthony...........These people are far from scrubs. BUT you are going to have scrubs on the team this year. Pretty much your team is going to be like the Nets last year with 3 "superstars" on it. That means instead of 12 wins, the Heat might get 35-40 wins. Cause remember the Nets had Lopez and Harris.

FlakeyFool
07-08-2010, 05:51 PM
all but official

Kevj77
07-08-2010, 05:51 PM
Kobe was a sidekick for 3 rings so I wouldnt put Kobe and MJ in the same sentence.

As far as Lebron goes, why does he need to be compare to MJ when he could win like Bill Russell. Im not saying these guys will get as many rings, but if this team does what it should, there legacies will write themselves.The Celtics where Bill Russell's team just like the Bulls belonged to MJ. The example you used about Kobe being a sidekick to Shaq is exactly why it will damage his legacy. The Heat are Wade's team and he will be labeled as a player that won as a sidekick. Remember although Kobe was Shaq's sidekick he was a top 3 player in the NBA at the time.

infernoscurse
07-08-2010, 05:53 PM
lol comapring the nets to a team with lebron wade and bosh

Jack Daniels
07-08-2010, 05:53 PM
T-minus 3 hours til all of the freakin speculation threads go away...

CowboysKB24
07-08-2010, 05:53 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

x2!

Sportfan
07-08-2010, 05:55 PM
maybe he signs a 1 year deal and next year he signs a 1 year deal with the knicks and so and so on, he will have a new legacy of saving the NBA by playing in all their teams to fill the seat and he will become the most loved basketball player of all time

and he will have images of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktgujXzj8-0
:laugh2:

dabears2010
07-08-2010, 05:56 PM
You are ******** dude. Bosh whines everytime someone gets physical against him. He can't handle it. Bosh plays no defense what-so-ever cause he's afraid of the contact. Boozer on the other hand is shorter than Bosh, but is still a better defender. The ONLY things that Bosh is better at Boozer at are outside jump shots and FT%.

Boozer-2010 / (career) / [playoffs]: 19.5 ppg (17.2 ppg) [20.3 ppg], 0.5 bpg (0.5 bpg) [0.4 bpg], 1.1 spg (1.0 spg) [0.8 spg], 3.2 apg (2.5 apg) [2.8 apg], 11.2 rpg (10.2 rpg) [12.5 rpg], 74.2 FT% ( 72.8 FT%) [70.7 FT%], .000 3P% (.111 3P%), 56.2 FG% (54.1 FG%) [50.3 FG%]

***Boozer has 44 playoff games played/started in his career*** As you notice, Boozer steps up his game in the playoffs dramatically in many stats (ppg, spg, rpg).

Bosh-2010 / (career) / [playoffs]: 24.0 ppg (20.2 ppg) [20.5 ppg], 1.0 bpg (1.2 bpg) [1.2 bpg], 0.6 spg (0.8 spg) [1.2 spg], 2.4 apg (2.2 apg) [3.0 apg], 10.8 rpg (9.4 rpg) [9.0 rpg], 79.7 FT% (79.6 FT%) [83.8 FT%], 36.4 3P% (29.8 3P%) [16.7 3P%], 51.8 FG% (49.2 FT%) [43.4 FG%]

***Bosh has ONLY 11 playoff games played/started in his career*** As you notice, Bosh had a much better year in 2010 for ppg than his career/playoff averages. He steps up his defense in the playoffs at the cost of his offense. His rebounds are lower in the playoffs and his FG% is dramatically lower as well.

They are about as even as possible. Bosh obviously gets more blocks because he is taller. He also, like I said has a better outside jump shot (3P%, FT%), but Boozer has him in FG%, spg, apg, rpg. I'd take Boozers toughness and ability over Bosh's ability and cowardness anyday.
so Bosh had more ppg last year and in his career than Boozer, but they're playoff ppg is about the same even though Boozer has 33 more games. The blocks obviously favor the taller player (Bosh). Boozer had more spg, apg, rpg, and FG% than Bosh. Bosh had more bpg, FT%, 3P%, and ppg than Boozer. So for anyone to say they aren't even is pretty stupid.

Catfish1314
07-08-2010, 05:58 PM
But then you go with probabilities. It is more probable for him to win with 1 superstar and 1 all-star, then just with a bunch of role players and no strong 2nd option. Sure it would mean more in Cleveland, but a championship is greater than no championship.

That's true but just because he doesn't have what needs to win a championship in Cleveland now, that doesn't mean he'll never have it. Apparently LeBron and Chris Paul are pretty close so if he stayed in Cleveland, I could see them spending the next two years building cap space to bring Paul to the Cavaliers in 2012. And if not Paul, some other real second option.

It just depends on how much faith LeBron has in his current FO.

dabears2010
07-08-2010, 05:59 PM
lol comapring the nets to a team with lebron wade and bosh

The Nets had about the same type of talent as the rest of the Miami team will have with all their minimum contracts. I added 20-30 more wins for the 3 "superstars", but they still aren't the best in the East and Chicago is still better than them, even with LeBron.

Vidball
07-08-2010, 05:59 PM
Are you a Heat fan or just a pretender? First off they never would've gotten the 5th seed if Noah didn't get Plantar Fasciitis (12 game losing streak) and miss 18 games. Second of all, the Heat didn't have a bunch of scrubs. Carlos Arroyo, Udonis Haslem, Jamaal Magloire, Jermaine O'neal, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Michael Beasley, Joel Anthony...........These people are far from scrubs. BUT you are going to have scrubs on the team this year. Pretty much your team is going to be like the Nets last year with 3 "superstars" on it. That means instead of 12 wins, the Heat might get 35-40 wins. Cause remember the Nets had Lopez and Harris.

Actually I'm born and raised in L.A. and believe the Lakers will 3-peat. Nice try though. Oh, and Arroyo, Magloire, Q, Wright, Anthony--scrubs! One of the three worst benches that made the postseason.

smith&wesson
07-08-2010, 05:59 PM
Orlando should send vince and some pieces to clevland for lebron. . .

A lebron and dwith howard tandem in orlando vs wade and bosh in miami would be an epic rivalry in the eastern conference for a long time.

LA_Raiders
07-08-2010, 06:00 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

Agree, but what esle can you expect from the queen?

Kakaroach
07-08-2010, 06:01 PM
Mike Miller is just too good to accept the min, but I wouldn't be shocked if he did.

Gibby23
07-08-2010, 06:03 PM
Mike Miller is just too good to accept the min, but I wouldn't be shocked if he did.

The Heat offered him like 5 million a year.

lavilevi23
07-08-2010, 06:03 PM
its not the min we're offering ^^

Kakaroach
07-08-2010, 06:05 PM
The Heat offered him like 5 million a year.


its not the min we're offering ^^ Yeah, just read that. Surprising that they could offer that much with all of these guys, S&T with Beasley gives them his bird rights though so yeah.

Mane
07-08-2010, 06:08 PM
The Nets had about the same type of talent as the rest of the Miami team will have with all their minimum contracts. I added 20-30 more wins for the 3 "superstars", but they still aren't the best in the East and Chicago is still better than them, even with LeBron.

just no. stop. please.

Jenceman
07-08-2010, 06:09 PM
If it happens, it's quite a cop-out by James. Even if the Heat won the title, Lebron would never win one as the guy.

rawz
07-08-2010, 06:11 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/LeBron-James-is-packing-his-beach-bags-for-Miami?urn=nba,254632

going to miami...

I wondered why orlando was never a real chance..

dwight plus lebron? are you kidding me? that would be easy championship, imo.

idrinkpepsi
07-08-2010, 06:12 PM
I just hope this whole LeBron talk is over I don't care where he signs but I just want all these LeBron threads and free agency talk over.

R_O_W_E
07-08-2010, 06:14 PM
Mods you are going to have to let the attacks go on for only tonight. This is going to be a very heated argument after he makes his choice, I can only imagine how people will react.

Going through a thread and seeing like 50 deleted posts is a problem.

last stand
07-08-2010, 06:17 PM
miami cannot offer mike miller 5 million a year if lebron accepts

the MLE is for teams who begin free agency over the salary cap, which miami didn't. therefore if miami signs lebron mike miller cannot join them

Sixerlover
07-08-2010, 06:20 PM
Wouldn't Miami just sign LeBron and Bosh, then wait to sign Wade AFTER they get Miller or whoever else because your allowed to go over the cap to sign your own player. So if they did it that way the roster would be Chalmers,Miller, James, Beasley, Bosh with 11 million left in cap space to get one or two more players, and once you get them inked you sign Wade to his max deal.

Am I missing something?

Jenceman
07-08-2010, 06:22 PM
Wouldn't Miami just sign LeBron and Bosh, then wait to sign Wade AFTER they get Miller or whoever else because your allowed to go over the cap to sign your own player. So if they did it that way the roster would be Chalmers,Miller, James, Beasley, Bosh with 11 million left in cap space to get one or two more players, and once you get them inked you sign Wade to his max deal.

Am I missing something?

You'd have to renounce the bird rights to Wade to get that extra cap space, meaning once you sign those role players you wouldn't be able to go over the cap to bring back Wade.

Gibby23
07-08-2010, 06:22 PM
KINGZ4L,
Idiot.... How am I an idiot... your an idiot... did you just read what you said......YOU SAID KOBE NEEDS A PF... OKAY WHAT ABOUT JAMES.... HE NEEDS A SG AND PF TO TRY TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!!! EVEN IF KOBE NEEDED A PF... GASOL DIDNT DO MUCH IN THE FINALS MORON!!!! lebron has been playing with a few stars.. he just couldnt get the job done son!! Spurs sweept them and Celtics took them out cold. Kobe didnt have the best squad like James and he got the job done!! Oh and the best PF in the game right now will be DUNCAN!! dont try to argue that cause it is the truth!! Figure out your life before you tell people to get alife.. better yet get off this thread!!!

18.6ppg, 11.6rpg, 2.5bpg, and 3.7apg in the finals isn't doing much?

_Supreme_
07-08-2010, 06:23 PM
KINGZ4L,
Idiot.... How am I an idiot... your an idiot... did you just read what you said......YOU SAID KOBE NEEDS A PF... OKAY WHAT ABOUT JAMES.... HE NEEDS A SG AND PF TO TRY TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!!! EVEN IF KOBE NEEDED A PF... GASOL DIDNT DO MUCH IN THE FINALS MORON!!!! lebron has been playing with a few stars.. he just couldnt get the job done son!! Spurs sweept them and Celtics took them out cold. Kobe didnt have the best squad like James and he got the job done!! Oh and the best PF in the game right now will be DUNCAN!! dont try to argue that cause it is the truth!! Figure out your life before you tell people to get alife.. better yet get off this thread!!!

:facepalm:

R cool J
07-08-2010, 06:23 PM
If Lebron does this, he can never be considered the best player in the NBA. This would be a cop out move.

agreed

last stand
07-08-2010, 06:24 PM
Wouldn't Miami just sign LeBron and Bosh, then wait to sign Wade AFTER they get Miller or whoever else because your allowed to go over the cap to sign your own player. So if they did it that way the roster would be Chalmers,Miller, James, Beasley, Bosh with 11 million left in cap space to get one or two more players, and once you get them inked you sign Wade to his max deal.

Am I missing something?

there are provisions in the CBA that do not allow these kinds of loopholes

you can't say "oh we are signing lebron, bosh, and miller and forgetting about wade"

then a day later say "just kidding we are bringing wade back"

the CBA has thought of these scenarios. when you sign people it all counts as one

zilk26
07-08-2010, 06:24 PM
KINGZ4L,
Idiot.... How am I an idiot... your an idiot... did you just read what you said......YOU SAID KOBE NEEDS A PF... OKAY WHAT ABOUT JAMES.... HE NEEDS A SG AND PF TO TRY TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!!! EVEN IF KOBE NEEDED A PF... GASOL DIDNT DO MUCH IN THE FINALS MORON!!!! lebron has been playing with a few stars.. he just couldnt get the job done son!! Spurs sweept them and Celtics took them out cold. Kobe didnt have the best squad like James and he got the job done!! Oh and the best PF in the game right now will be DUNCAN!! dont try to argue that cause it is the truth!! Figure out your life before you tell people to get alife.. better yet get off this thread!!!



18.6 PPG, 11.6 RPG, 3.7 APG, and 2.6 BPG. That's defined by this guy as "GASOL DIDN'T DO MUCH IN THE FINALS".......I disagree, but that's just me.

krest213
07-08-2010, 06:25 PM
He wants to win, and if he goes to the heat there is a strong chance it will happen. I don't understand why people are upset by this.

x2

Sixerlover
07-08-2010, 06:26 PM
there are provisions in the CBA that do not allow these kinds of loopholes

you can't say "oh we are signing lebron, bosh, and miller and forgetting about wade"

then a day later say "just kidding we are bringing wade back"

the CBA has thought of these scenarios. when you sign people it all counts as one

Are you talking about renouncing rights? Is that the loophole your referring to?

Sixerlover
07-08-2010, 06:27 PM
You'd have to renounce the bird rights to Wade to get that extra cap space, meaning once you sign those role players you wouldn't be able to go over the cap to bring back Wade.

There we go. I knew renouncing had to be the option. Appreciated

Stunner
07-08-2010, 06:37 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38154289

Kakaroach
07-08-2010, 06:42 PM
I just saw on ESPN if the Heat do get LeBron, they have a 35% chance of winning the title. How do you even come up with that stat?

marlinsfan24
07-08-2010, 06:44 PM
I just saw on ESPN if the Heat do get LeBron, they have a 35% chance of winning the title. How do you even come up with that stat?

I don't know man. These stats are just bogus. They pick a number and say, hey this seems right, we'll go with this number.

AddiX
07-08-2010, 06:46 PM
Although I still think Bron is coming to NY,

If he goes to Miami that just says to me that if you can't beat them, join them.

Remember, Shaq went to Miami because he thought Wade was the better player. And I'm not even close to convinced Bosh can hold down the paint by himself, His career is so over exaggerated it's crazy. A few all stars (not even a stater), and a few playoff games isn't superstar status.

REALLYYYYY?
07-08-2010, 06:52 PM
People keep saying that, but i give him credit for wanting to win. I'd sign a 2 or 3 year deal, win the title, then go off and try and win it somewhere else.

but he would have a better chance of winning in chicago...

REALLYYYYY?
07-08-2010, 06:53 PM
lol. good luck affording miller. wouldn't they only be able to afford d-leaguers if they got lebron?

iggypop123
07-08-2010, 06:59 PM
legler is having an orgasm over this. its a good thing media wasnt as huge when shaq was a FA otherwise it would have been just as pathetic spectacle

RadiantShot
07-08-2010, 07:00 PM
18.6ppg, 11.6rpg, 2.5bpg, and 3.7apg in the finals isn't doing much?

:laugh:
Don't worry about it. People are idiots nowadays.

ldc62
07-08-2010, 07:01 PM
I just saw on ESPN if the Heat do get LeBron, they have a 35% chance of winning the title. How do you even come up with that stat?

Hollinger? I hate that guy, his stats are total BS and he keeps changing his %s as the season is progressing (in race to playoff thing).

DABOYZ82
07-08-2010, 07:12 PM
My bad guys for the misunderstanding.... Gasol is good. what i meant to the moron I was replying back to becasue she said I am an idiot, and kobe needs the best PF, well Gasol is good not best, in the finals:
Game 1
kobe 30
Gasol 23

Game 2
kobe 21
Gasol 25

game 3
kobe 29
gasol 13

game 4
kobe 33
gasol 21

game 5
kobe 38
Gasol 12

game 6
kobe 26
Gasol 17

game 7
kobe 23
gasol 19

Gasol wasnt the whole reason the lakers won.... Kobe relied on the team not like James having to rely on Wade and bosh to bail him out to win a Championship!

daviddpc111
07-08-2010, 07:14 PM
You'd have to renounce the bird rights to Wade to get that extra cap space, meaning once you sign those role players you wouldn't be able to go over the cap to bring back Wade.

Well Atlanta did it with JJ atlanta salary are 47 mil without JJ IF they sign JJ they go over the cap....

Mil Buck the same with there 2 player sign... I am not getting it... with the Bird renouning.... explain used atlanta, buck and miami as example...

DABOYZ82
07-08-2010, 07:16 PM
RadiantShot,
Ohhh you have a joke too??? Gasol's numbers were good in the finals but not as good as Duncan in the when he played in the finals, Duncan is a true PF!!! I didnt mean it for yall to understand that way.... I was saying to KINGZ4L that Kobe didnt have the best PF to win the title.:facepalm:

Niro
07-08-2010, 07:23 PM
not front to miami but i dont want him to sign there, simply because he cant dominate as much cuz of d-wade and bosh would be on his team

ABOMB_56
07-08-2010, 07:24 PM
RadiantShot,
Ohhh you have a joke too??? Gasol's numbers were good in the finals but not as good as Duncan in the when he played in the finals, Duncan is a true PF!!! I didnt mean it for yall to understand that way.... I was saying to KINGZ4L that Kobe didnt have the best PF to win the title.:facepalm:

:facepalm:
Stop. Just stop.
You and dabears2010 should just go off and talk to each other about sports. It sure would be an amazing spectacle to see which one of you two could spew the most bs.

DABOYZ82
07-08-2010, 07:29 PM
ABOMB 56,
LMAO LOUD!!! in this thread it is all about feedback on opinions but it shouldnt be to the point were people start calling people idiots... you know?? are you an idiot??? NO... so all I was doing is giving my opinion... LOL!! Good gesture on the post!!! LOL

Avenged
07-08-2010, 07:35 PM
^^ Just report it, I guess.

Anyways, it's a shame if Lebrone ends up with Wade and Bosh. There's no reason a talent like him should ever go to a team to play along side 2 other superstars. I can understand his motives for doing so since he wants to win but this would definitely take a bit of a toll on his legacy.

chitowncubears1
07-08-2010, 07:43 PM
Let him sign with the Heat. Sooner or later, either Bosh or Lebron will start complaining after one season because they want to be the star of the team and they won't get enough ball touches. One of them is going to demand a trade after this season.

thawv
07-08-2010, 07:44 PM
http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/lebron-james-plans-weekend-party-in-south-beach-201087

DABOYZ82
07-08-2010, 07:46 PM
I agree, that is why I dont understand why he would even go when his team(Cavs) have gone so far..... and to give that up?? especially knowing you may or may not succeed right away just because joining Wade and Bosh dont get me wrong it is possible but I doubt it will be this year... maybe in two or three or four years from now.. Three superstars cant do it alone, Lebron has a good team in the Cavs.
he should stay there.

DABOYZ82
07-08-2010, 07:48 PM
Is it proven that he is going to Miami??? What happends if it is false and he stays in Cleveland?

Buckwheat
07-08-2010, 07:49 PM
Is it proven that he is going to Miami??? What happends if it is false and he stays in Cleveland?

no. many sources are syaing he's staying.

gangis2169
07-08-2010, 07:55 PM
F Lebron needs a superteam to win a title. He probably wont even win!

JordanPippen
07-08-2010, 07:57 PM
He won't be going to Miami. This is LeBron James. His ego is too big. And his goal of being the first basketball billionaire will not work out if he's on par with Wade and Bosh.

I'm willing to bet that his marketing team leaked info saying that he was leaning towards Miami to get more hype for tonights, "The Decision." It's working isn't it?

I personally think he's sticking with Cleveland for 3 years and a player option on the 3rd, but Chicago is not too far behind.

swirl54
07-08-2010, 08:00 PM
He isn't reaching Jordan's level. Point Blank.

However if LeBron & Wade team together, their legacies become intertwined. Both guys will be viewed as great players who played together and won championships together. Their time before playing with each other will be secondary. The debate between who was better between Wade & LeBron will be a debate that will be argued for decades. Is Wade's Championship ring better than LeBron's 2 MVP's? We'll never know.

Great post:clap:

IndiansFan337
07-08-2010, 08:00 PM
Bucher claims to have spoke with 7 NBA insiders today: 4 said Cleveland, 3 said NYK, 0 said Miami.

I'm starting to believe that Miami is just being thrown around to make "The Decision" surprising.

GspLAL
07-08-2010, 08:01 PM
Going to Miami won't change how good of a player he is, all it will do is hide whether or not he can lead a team that isn't a super team to a championship. He'll still be the best player; going to Miami isn't going to instantly make him worse of a player. But I see your point.

I do think it is a ***** move though. It's no secret I really like LeBron. I won't lose too much respect for him, but I certainly will not root for him even remotely as much if he does go to Miami.

Part of being a hall of famer, an all time great, a championship player is how well you can lead your team is it not? People bashed Kobe and said he can never win without Shaq, how is this any different? If it does happen of course and they do end up winning..

marlinsfan24
07-08-2010, 08:02 PM
Bucher claims to have spoke with 7 NBA insiders today: 4 said Cleveland, 3 said NYK, 0 said Miami.

I'm starting to believe that Miami is just being thrown around to make "The Decision" surprising.

This.

D Roses Bulls
07-08-2010, 08:06 PM
more sources huh? multiple sources brother

AI4MVP
07-08-2010, 08:07 PM
Omg dude i dont believe its less then an hour away

AddiX
07-08-2010, 08:10 PM
Bucher claims to have spoke with 7 NBA insiders today: 4 said Cleveland, 3 said NYK, 0 said Miami.

I'm starting to believe that Miami is just being thrown around to make "The Decision" surprising.

EXACTLY, that way when the decision is NY it will be talked about even more.

A entire fiasco like this can only be an entrance for NY.

HouRealCoach
07-08-2010, 08:12 PM
There is NOTHING wrong with Lebron wanting to win

Reyes6
07-08-2010, 08:18 PM
There's no guarantee it IS Miami right now, we all know how much LeBron loves shock value.

ABOMB_56
07-08-2010, 08:21 PM
ABOMB 56,
LMAO LOUD!!! in this thread it is all about feedback on opinions but it shouldnt be to the point were people start calling people idiots... you know?? are you an idiot??? NO... so all I was doing is giving my opinion... LOL!! Good gesture on the post!!! LOL

Nowhere in my post did I ever mention the word idiot. I'll use stats to back up my claim

PG. Mo Williams is ranked 23 amongst PG's. Lakers have two PG's (Farmar and Brown) who are in the top 50 with ranks of 46, and 49. Edge. Cavs

SG. Delonte West is ranked 33 amongst SG's. Kobe is ranked 3rd. Edge. Lakers

SF. LBJ is ranked 1st amongst SF's. Artest is ranked 38th. Edge. Cavs

PF. Jamison is ranked 19th amongst PF's. Gasol is ranked 3rd. Edge. Lakers

C. Shaq is ranked 14th amongst C's. Bynm is ranked 6th. Edge. Lakers.

Lakers win 3-2. Not to mention that the Lakers had a better bench than the Cavs. Odom, Farmar, Brown, Vujucic > Gibson, Hickson, Big Z

TheKing23
07-08-2010, 08:22 PM
Bucher claims to have spoke with 7 NBA insiders today: 4 said Cleveland, 3 said NYK, 0 said Miami.

I'm starting to believe that Miami is just being thrown around to make "The Decision" surprising.

I pray to god you are right...

I've kinda come to think LeBron's gonna leave but I really don't want him to sell his soul to Miami.

Of course I want him to stay but I really hope he doesn't go for Miami...

fishfan79
07-08-2010, 08:23 PM
if he leaves cleveland for anywhere he will be a punk for how he is handling this even if it is my own team of miami. He is acting like a spoiled brat

marlinsfan24
07-08-2010, 08:25 PM
if he leaves cleveland for anywhere he will be a punk for how he is handling this even if it is my own team of miami. He is acting like a spoiled brat

I agree with this.

GspLAL
07-08-2010, 08:26 PM
Nowhere in my post did I ever mention the word idiot. I'll use stats to back up my claim

PG. Mo Williams is ranked 23 amongst PG's. Lakers have two PG's (Farmar and Brown) who are in the top 50 with ranks of 46, and 49. Edge. Cavs

SG. Delonte West is ranked 33 amongst SG's. Kobe is ranked 3rd. Edge. Lakers

SF. LBJ is ranked 1st amongst SF's. Artest is ranked 38th. Edge. Cavs

PF. Jamison is ranked 19th amongst PF's. Gasol is ranked 3rd. Edge. Lakers

C. Shaq is ranked 14th amongst C's. Bynm is ranked 6th. Edge. Lakers.

Lakers win 3-2. Not to mention that the Lakers had a better bench than the Cavs. Odom, Farmar, Brown, Vujucic > Gibson, Hickson, Big Z

Lakers had a better bench? Are you kidding me? Cavs had a great bench, you guys just didn't have a coach to utilize them the right way. All throughout the year people kept talking about how deep the Cavs were. Odom is good but he one of the most inconsistent players in the NBA.

zambo4president
07-08-2010, 08:26 PM
Total cop out if he goes through with it. I will have lost all respect for him. This hour long special is a goddamn joke.

zambo4president
07-08-2010, 08:28 PM
LeBron to Chicago talk has completely taken a back seat media wise. I feel it coming.

northsider
07-08-2010, 08:34 PM
I realize if he goes to Miami so be it nothing you can do, how that team will work is beyond me but, I'm sure Riley could handle it.

All I can think about is how such a depressing city already will be on a full scale suicide watch if he leaves. I honestly think the city of Cleveland would poof like a fart off the map cause it officially has nothing to offer the rest of society.

robdizzle3
07-08-2010, 08:42 PM
I just dont know if he will actually go to Miami. All reports are that he will, but it may just be a smoke screen. I think he should sign with Chicago, because he can be the man there, plus have a good chance at winning. But man if he leaves Cleveland.......

ABOMB_56
07-08-2010, 08:48 PM
Lakers had a better bench? Are you kidding me? Cavs had a great bench, you guys just didn't have a coach to utilize them the right way. All throughout the year people kept talking about how deep the Cavs were. Odom is good but he one of the most inconsistent players in the NBA.

You guys? I'm a Rockets fan. I just defend Lebron because of all the hate he gets on these boards

YankeeFan28
07-08-2010, 08:50 PM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505828