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JordansBulls
07-04-2010, 09:49 AM
3. Comparing Home And Away Deals
By ESPN Stats And Information
It has often been mentioned that LeBron James can re-sign for six years and $125.5 million with the Cavaliers, but the max deal he could get from another team would be five years and $96.1 million. Here's the year-by-year breakdown (these numbers also apply to Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade, who entered the NBA in 2003, the same year as James).

Comparing Max Deals
Year Sign with own team Sign with other team Difference
2010-11 $16,568,908 $16,568,908 0
2011-12 $18,308,643 $17,894,421 $414,222
2012-13 $20,048,378 $19,219,934 $828,444
2013-14 $21,788,113 $20,545,447 $1,242,666
2014-15 $23,527,848 $21,870,960 $1,656,888
2015-16 $25,267,583 -- $25,267,583
Contract total $125,509,473 $96,099,670 $29,409,803
These differences are attributable to the fact that a player's own team can offer 10.5 percent raises every season, while other teams can offer just 8.0 percent raises (in addition to the fact that a player's own team can offer a sixth season).

KnicksR4Real
07-04-2010, 09:58 AM
Too complicated

philab
07-04-2010, 10:16 AM
Some of these FAs are looking for the max when it might not be the best decision.

Think Bosh, Stoudemire, maybe Joe Johnson, and maybe Wade. You want to hit that last contract year at about 29 or 30, I'd think. If you're LeBron, Kobe, MJ, or maybe Wade, that number goes up to probably 32 or so (depending also on the "hometown hero" status as well).

So think about it:

Wade is 28. Should he take the six-year max and hit FA again at 34 or take four years maxed out and then push for another max at 32? I'd say the latter.
Bosh is 26. Six-year max puts him at 32. That's probably too late for him to pull anything more than two- or three-year contracts. Then again, he's unlikely to stay, so the five-year max puts him at 31. That's not terrible.
Amar'e is 27. Six-year max puts him at 33, but again, he's unlikely to stay. Maybe three or four years would be better than the five-year max?
JJ is 29. He may have hit this about right. Six-year max would take him to 35. From there, two- or three-year contracts aren't horrible.
LeBron is 25. This doesn't quite apply to him because a) he's younger and b) his window will likely be open longer. Six years takes him to 31 and then he looks for another max. Perfect timing.


If you think this doesn't matter, look at Jermaine O'Neal. That dude ate up nearly three years of ineffectiveness with HUGE salaries. He was the 3rd highest paid player this past year. Some of these guys would be better off going for less years and then re-upping again. I think Wade and Bosh are the two most glaring examples (assuming Wade re-signs and Bosh does not). Stoudemire might also be making a mistake.

heattiltheend94
07-04-2010, 10:23 AM
Stern makes sure that the first year price is the same. He does this so the home team will have same cap space first year, and be able to put pieces around him. It promotes players to resign with own team.

JordansBulls
07-04-2010, 07:23 PM
Too complicated

Not really.

lakerssssssss
07-04-2010, 07:45 PM
3. Comparing Home And Away Deals
By ESPN Stats And Information
It has often been mentioned that LeBron James can re-sign for six years and $125.5 million with the Cavaliers, but the max deal he could get from another team would be five years and $96.1 million. Here's the year-by-year breakdown (these numbers also apply to Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade, who entered the NBA in 2003, the same year as James).

Comparing Max Deals
Year Sign with own team Sign with other team Difference
2010-11 $16,568,908 $16,568,908 0
2011-12 $18,308,643 $17,894,421 $414,222
2012-13 $20,048,378 $19,219,934 $828,444
2013-14 $21,788,113 $20,545,447 $1,242,666
2014-15 $23,527,848 $21,870,960 $1,656,888
2015-16 $25,267,583 -- $25,267,583
Contract total $125,509,473 $96,099,670 $29,409,803
These differences are attributable to the fact that a player's own team can offer 10.5 percent raises every season, while other teams can offer just 8.0 percent raises (in addition to the fact that a player's own team can offer a sixth season).



This is why Lebron will stay in Cleveland

Human FlameShld
07-04-2010, 07:56 PM
Too complicated


Basically if you resign with your team or do a sign and trade you can get one extra year and make a total of roughly $29 mil more over the length of the contract.



But this does not take into account the extra endorsement money, especially the potential of European and Chinese endorsement money that could far exceed that if you win a few championships. That is where the real money comes from.

29$JerZ
07-04-2010, 07:58 PM
It's a real simple reason why Cleveland gives him more money, CBA allows the original team to have the advantage when resigning with their own players. That's why bird rights matter, why opt out clauses and even length of a escalating deal matter a lot to them.

rhaas74
07-04-2010, 08:03 PM
Basically, the home team can offer a 6th year when no one else can. And on top of that the yearly raise can be 10.5% for the home team while the away team can only offer an 8% yearly raise.

ink
07-04-2010, 08:06 PM
Not really.

Yeah I thought that table was really clear.

valade16
07-04-2010, 08:18 PM
This is why Lebron will stay in Cleveland

This is misleading though. It makes it sound like over the duration of the players contract he signs with another team he will lose out on 29 Million, when in reality he will lose out on 1.5 million or so; Assuming it's LeBron you really don't think the team that signed him would give him another max deal? Of course they would, so that would eliminate the 25 million from that last year of the deal, cuz he'll have a new contract by then...

So in that sense, he's not losing out on that much dough should he leave cleveland...

rhaas74
07-04-2010, 08:36 PM
This is misleading though. It makes it sound like over the duration of the players contract he signs with another team he will lose out on 29 Million, when in reality he will lose out on 1.5 million or so; Assuming it's LeBron you really don't think the team that signed him would give him another max deal? Of course they would, so that would eliminate the 25 million from that last year of the deal, cuz he'll have a new contract by then...

So in that sense, he's not losing out on that much dough should he leave cleveland...

What if LeBron sustains an injury that causes him to not play at the same level, in essence he would be losing out on all that money.

Look at it this way, Tracy McGrady is 31 right now. What kind of contract do you think he will get? If LeBron doesn't re-sign with the Cavs he will be 30 when he does his next deal. Do you think that this hasn't crossed his mind? All it takes is one hard foul when LeBron is going for a dunk and he could be done.

avrpatsfan
07-04-2010, 08:46 PM
What if LeBron sustains an injury that causes him to not play at the same level, in essence he would be losing out on all that money.

Look at it this way, Tracy McGrady is 31 right now. What kind of contract do you think he will get? If LeBron doesn't re-sign with the Cavs he will be 30 when he does his next deal. Do you think that this hasn't crossed his mind? All it takes is one hard foul when LeBron is going for a dunk and he could be done.

Haha every time Lebron goes to the basket he gets hit. I don't ever seeing him having a devastating injury. This isn't football. And I want him to remain on the Cavs and I think he will. But financial security is the last thing he's thinking about. He could make a billion dollars in almost any city. He's already set for life thanks to Nike.

NYK|NYY
07-04-2010, 08:48 PM
30mill difference, isn't that what everyone's been saying?

avrpatsfan
07-04-2010, 08:49 PM
And also, don't compare Lebron to Tmac. Tmac averaged 8 ppg last season.

rhaas74
07-04-2010, 08:56 PM
And also, don't compare Lebron to Tmac. Tmac averaged 8 ppg last season.

And in his 7th season in the league he averaged 28 ppg, 5.5 apg, and 6 rpg. What I am saying is you can't assume that you will be healthy enough to sign another max deal when you are 30. This is a huge reason why I think Wade, who has had injuries, will stay in Miami. You just don't know that you will be healthy enough to really make up that difference down the road.

Ovratd1up
07-04-2010, 09:32 PM
This is why Lebron will stay in Cleveland

There's only a difference of 4 million in the first 5 years of each contract. And considering Lebron's gonna get another max after this one, the difference is only 4-6 million. I'm sure Lebron can't make that up in endorsements and championships in a bigger city...

JordansBulls
07-05-2010, 01:28 AM
This is why Lebron will stay in Cleveland

He can easily make up the money in a bigger market.

lakerssssssss
07-05-2010, 01:44 AM
He can easily make up the money in a bigger market.

New york is one of the biggest markets out there, and their whole presentation focused on how Lebron could make up the money there. There was an article that said Lebron was unconvinced. This shows that Lebron does not agree with you.

lakerssssssss
07-05-2010, 01:50 AM
There's only a difference of 4 million in the first 5 years of each contract. And considering Lebron's gonna get another max after this one, the difference is only 4-6 million. I'm sure Lebron can't make that up in endorsements and championships in a bigger city...

YOU are not getting it. If Lebron stays in Cleveland he gets 30 million dollars more, because they could offer him a 6th year. Afterwards, he could get a max contract, and be 30 million dollars richer because of that 6th year.

He is still taking away 30 million dollars of guranteed money for a chance at making up this money another way.

rhaas74
07-05-2010, 01:53 AM
He can easily make up the money in a bigger market.

That is pure speculation. He had the 2nd most endorsements for an athlete behind Tiger before his scandal, so he might possibly be ahead of him now. The funny thing is that both of them managed to do this in small markets. So how can you be sure being in a bigger market would get him that much more? Because you have had that hammered into your head by the media? Which just so happens to be based in cities like NY, LA, and Chi.

In this day and age you don't have to be located in one of those cities to get the endorsements. He is already all over the place. And he is doing this all by being in little, old, small Cleveland. I would have thought he was making peanuts if I listened to what all you Knicks, Nets, and Bulls fans have been saying.

Ovratd1up
07-05-2010, 02:06 AM
YOU are not getting it. If Lebron stays in Cleveland he gets 30 million dollars more, because they could offer him a 6th year. Afterwards, he could get a max contract, and be 30 million dollars richer because of that 6th year.

He is still taking away 30 million dollars of guranteed money for a chance at making up this money another way.

This is true. However, as long as Lebron is playing basketball, he will be getting payed probably in the 20's from here on out until he retires, he doesn't need it written in paper for it to be guaranteed. The point is that there is not a true difference of $30 million, it's likely to be in the single digits. It's also worth noting that he will probably sign a three year contract regardless.