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Boston Faithful
07-02-2010, 06:21 PM
It's surprising what has been going on.

If Amare is going to sign with the Knicks (which it looks likely), the Heat may not even get Wade back.

This all hinges upon Chris Bosh. If he lands in Houston, New Jersey or Chicago, I think Wade and LeBron are destined for New York and Chicago seperately.

Chances are LeBron is not going to sign with Miami and the Heat are going to be nowhere near championship contenders with a Wade-Boozer pairing. And now that Joe Johnson is off the table, they won't even be able to team up Wade and Johnson.

So if Bosh doesn't sign there, we could be looking at Wade in New York or Chicago and LeBron in New York or Chicago.

Keep in mind, Wade scheduled a second Bulls meeting today and said that the Knicks meeting went "really good" and he was "intrigued".

He's not stupid, obviously he knows what he is doing.

ripjhb18
07-02-2010, 06:25 PM
I would laugh if Miami ended up with no big FA and only has Beas and Chalmers on the roster.

redwhitenblue
07-02-2010, 06:25 PM
Wade will resign, and I think they'll get Lee or a group of secondary FA's-which might be better.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-02-2010, 06:29 PM
too early to tell

IAmKira
07-02-2010, 06:30 PM
boozer..

WITZ
07-02-2010, 06:36 PM
it would be Hilarious since everyone thought they were getting bosh & lebron, at least they can build around Beasly & chalmers.

NYtilIdie
07-02-2010, 06:40 PM
Wade will resign, and I think they'll get Lee or a group of secondary FA's-which might be better.

Wouldn't exactly be the "Knockout" Summer Wade was looking forward to if thats all they get.

BALLER71
07-02-2010, 06:41 PM
Beasley :love:

97NYer
07-02-2010, 06:42 PM
It's surprising what has been going on.

If Amare is going to sign with the Knicks (which it looks likely), the Heat may not even get Wade back.

This all hinges upon Chris Bosh. If he lands in Houston, New Jersey or Chicago, I think Wade and LeBron are destined for New York and Chicago seperately.

Chances are LeBron is not going to sign with Miami and the Heat are going to be nowhere near championship contenders with a Wade-Boozer pairing. And now that Joe Johnson is off the table, they won't even be able to team up Wade and Johnson.

So if Bosh doesn't sign there, we could be looking at Wade in New York or Chicago and LeBron in New York or Chicago.

Keep in mind, Wade scheduled a second Bulls meeting today and said that the Knicks meeting went "really good" and he was "intrigued".

He's not stupid, obviously he knows what he is doing.

As much as I am sexually excited by what you're saying, I still think Bosh ends up in Miami with Wade

LayZbone
07-02-2010, 06:44 PM
Beasley :love:

:nod:

Yeah if wade leaves, we're ****ed. I mean, that's obvious. But Miami's not out of the race for anything (unless Wade leaves of course).

BradyIsTheMan12
07-02-2010, 06:47 PM
I'm sure Wade and one other big FA will sign in Miami. Wade is just playing the free agent game right now, he isn't leaving unless Miami magically strikes out completely.

The Flash
07-02-2010, 06:51 PM
Im sure well find a way to kick everyone's *** with just BeasTLEY

philab
07-02-2010, 06:54 PM
Im sure well find a way to kick everyone's *** with just BeasTLEY

That's some stupid-*** capitalization. What the hell is TLEY?

marlinsfan24
07-02-2010, 06:55 PM
Like I have been saying, Beasley>>>>Wade+Lebron+Bosh

MFFL==FML
07-02-2010, 06:57 PM
He will probably force a S&T with Dallas if Miami can't get anyone. Rose is a great player, but they have very similar games.... Wade would be more affective in Dallas.

THE MTL
07-02-2010, 07:06 PM
Between New York, New Jersey, Miami, and Chicago (teams with two or almost two FAs) someone is going to STRIKE OUT! And it wont be MY KNICKS!!! LETSSSS GOOO!!!!!!

robdog_5
07-02-2010, 07:09 PM
No way somebody doesn't take money to go play and live in MIAMI!!!!!!

XxigglesphanxX
07-02-2010, 07:54 PM
if wade leaves yes, my team will suck. but the thing we are doing is completely high risk high reward.

if wade leaves, then the miami heat are pretty much screwed, but with that said every day there is a new rumor, lets go back to a different sport. its true when it comes to where players are going, a new favorite is chosen every day.

back with donovan mcnabb, if anybody remembers no one was talking about the redskins it was all the raiders. and that didnt happen. so just to remind everybody these so called sources are wrong, alot of the time.

now back to basketball, i do think wade will stay and we will get a good bigman. it wont be amare, i hope bosh but it might not, there is still boozer and lee who are both pretty good.

hgtiger32
07-02-2010, 08:25 PM
I highly doubt it happens, but what happens if the Heat don't sign any of the big free agents? what would they do??? they surely wouldn't wanna waste their money on below average players but what else would they do?

GoatMilk
07-02-2010, 08:26 PM
they would have to fill the roster with a bunch of lower names, but even some nice ones like Hakim Warrick are gone

lol they'll look like an expansion team

NYK|NYY
07-02-2010, 08:26 PM
The same thing we do every night, Pinky.

jimbobjarree
07-02-2010, 08:27 PM
point and laugh

BALLER71
07-02-2010, 08:28 PM
We roll with BEASLEEEY. :love:

dolfan720
07-02-2010, 08:28 PM
thats gonna be one bad team

marlinsfan24
07-02-2010, 08:29 PM
You guys act like Chalmers and Beasley are D-League scrubs. That's a much better starting position than a lot of teams have.

sintaks12
07-02-2010, 08:30 PM
The same thing we do every night, Pinky.

LOL, nice pull. NARF!

rockets-fan
07-02-2010, 08:31 PM
maybe melo next off season?

dodie53
07-02-2010, 08:32 PM
they will tank

Wizard of O's
07-02-2010, 08:32 PM
Sign TMAC and Boozer to max contracts?

IrespectNumber3
07-02-2010, 08:33 PM
I like the way the media is making Miami look right now

Slimsim
07-02-2010, 08:38 PM
People talk about the Knicks not having anyone on their roster Could you imagine if you have to build a team around Beasley and Chalmers.

dabears2010
07-02-2010, 08:38 PM
I highly doubt it happens, but what happens if the Heat don't sign any of the big free agents? what would they do??? they surely wouldn't wanna waste their money on below average players but what else would they do?

I think this is probably what is going to happen. Why else would Wade suddenly be getting close to signing with the Bulls? Because he doesn't see Miami bringing anyone in to help him. LeBron wants to play with Wade, but not in Miami. If the Bulls get Wade, LeBron and Bosh will both WANT to go to the Bulls, but I don't see that happening. What will happen is Miami won't get either of them cause they'd be starting from scratch in Miami. I see the Knicks getting Amare and LeBron or Bosh along with several other decent players like Korver (although I hope Korver goes to the Bulls).

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-02-2010, 08:39 PM
Sign TMAC and Boozer to max contracts?

LOL t-mac can sign a max contract like kobe I believe 30 mil per year

that is like x2 lebron max's

dabears2010
07-02-2010, 08:42 PM
You guys act like Chalmers and Beasley are D-League scrubs. That's a much better starting position than a lot of teams have.

What are you smoking dude? Beasley hasn't lived up to his #2 draft position at all. He is always missing shots whenever I watch him. I sure am glad the Bulls got Rose instead of that scrub. Chalmers is a DECENT backup PG, but definately not a starting PG by any means. They might as well have cleared everyone off their roster and really started over from scratch. Maybe some foreign players will give Miami a chance. They definately have the nightlife there (which is why someone like Beasley was a horrible pick for Miami).

dabears2010
07-02-2010, 08:43 PM
I'd rather have Taj Gibson and James Johnson that Beasley and Chalmers as building blocks to tell you the truth.

marlinsfan24
07-02-2010, 08:45 PM
I'd rather have Taj Gibson and James Johnson that Beasley and Chalmers as building blocks to tell you the truth.

Your a Bulls fan, surprise surprise.

DaoudS
07-02-2010, 08:45 PM
The same thing we do every night, Pinky.


LOL, nice pull. NARF!

I can't stop laughing hahahahahhaha :clap:

gbpackers12
07-02-2010, 08:48 PM
They'd probably have a 25% chance of landing the top pick in the 2011 NBA Entry Draft.

LTBaByyy
07-02-2010, 08:49 PM
Move to vegas.

that big *** arena will be done being built b4 the 2011-12 season

marlinsfan24
07-02-2010, 08:49 PM
All beasley knows how to do is smoke weed, he blows which is why they wanna trade him. Chalmers is decent and maybe better than 7 teams in the league. You clearly dont know **** bro.

So a 21 year old averaging 15 and 7 in his 2nd year is a scrub and doesn't know how to do anything? I guess people should have pulled the plug on Bosh, Amare, and KG's careers early on as well.:facepalm:

jay87shot
07-02-2010, 08:50 PM
Chalmers is a decent backup and Beasley has the potential to be a #2 option but is more like a #4 now. I could see this happening, but I seriously doubt it happens. If it does they could sign some guys like Luis Scola, Brendon Haywood, or JJ Reddick. I think they would at least be able to sign David Lee or Carlos Boozer if things fall apart.

IrespectNumber3
07-02-2010, 08:53 PM
"The most hated team on PSD"

rockets-fan
07-02-2010, 08:54 PM
Chalmers is a decent backup and Beasley has the potential to be a #2 option but is more like a #4 now. I could see this happening, but I seriously doubt it happens. If it does they could sign some guys like Luis Scola, Brendon Haywood, or JJ Reddick. I think they would at least be able to sign David Lee or Carlos Boozer if things fall apart.

morey isnt letting scola go unless its bosh coming(unlikely)...and i think dallas is bringing haywood back for sure...at least i heard that on nba desicion(might be spelled wrong)

marlinsfan24
07-02-2010, 08:54 PM
i dont think beasly and chalmers are good...maybe chalmers...but the heat wanna trade beasly so bad cause he sucks....no way they are better starters than other teams...nets would be better if they didnt land anyone either...

The Heat do NOT want to move Beasley because he "sucks" They wanted to deal him to get cap space to get the Big 3.

ElMarroAfamado
07-02-2010, 08:54 PM
its crazy cuz besides wades and haslem still with em?
the heat have a bunch of nobodies and im surprised the team even mae it to the playoffs...

J$mo0th_3o5
07-02-2010, 08:54 PM
*Points gun at head*






*Pulls trigger*

J$mo0th_3o5
07-02-2010, 08:56 PM
Naw, but for real you guys swear Chalmers and Beasley are some garbage *** D-Leaguers.... Better than what the Knicks currently have.

rockets-fan
07-02-2010, 08:57 PM
The Heat do NOT want to move Beasley because he "sucks" They wanted to deal him to get cap space to get the Big 3.

oh ok my bad i take that back...i shouldve done research...but you agree he hasnt lived up to expectations right?

rockets-fan
07-02-2010, 08:58 PM
Naw, but for real you guys swear Chalmers and Beasley are some garbage *** D-Leaguers.... Better than what the Knicks currently have.

i dont know if theyre better...knicks have gallo,chandler,douglas roberts and someone else...i like those players

marlinsfan24
07-02-2010, 08:59 PM
oh ok my bad i take that back...i shouldve done research...but you agree he hasnt lived up to expectations right?

Depends on your expectations. He has not been as good as he can because of the Heat usage of him and benching him for every small mistake he ever made.

Slimsim
07-02-2010, 09:00 PM
Naw, but for real you guys swear Chalmers and Beasley are some garbage *** D-Leaguers.... Better than what the Knicks currently have.

you do Know chandler and Beasley put up the same numbers. and Chandler wasn't a lottery pick. TD is Better than chalmers he can shoot and his defense is better.

kblo247
07-02-2010, 09:01 PM
AI, T-Mac, Shaq, and JO are all willing to take double digit minutes and starters roles ;)

Slimsim
07-02-2010, 09:01 PM
i dont know if theyre better...knicks have gallo,chandler,douglas roberts and someone else...i like those players

Walker And we snatch up 3 second rounders in this years draft as well.

Sixerlover
07-02-2010, 09:01 PM
They'd use their cap space to trade for players like Tony Parker and Al Jefferson, from teams who are looking to get out of those deals. All they have to give them is a trade exception in return to make up for it. If somehow they did strike out on EVERYONE, I could see Parker, Jefferson, Chandler or Okafor or other players like this filling out the roster.

Thisisouryear!!
07-02-2010, 09:02 PM
lets not forget we got the best 3 point shooter in the league and amare letssssss goooooo.....

Mad funny what might go down in miami.

ClayMatthews
07-02-2010, 09:03 PM
Dumb question. They will obviously struggle. Im sure they land a max free agent.

adidas2307
07-02-2010, 09:05 PM
They'd use their cap space to trade for players like Tony Parker and Al Jefferson, from teams who are looking to get out of those deals. All they have to give them is a trade exception in return to make up for it. If somehow they did strike out on EVERYONE, I could see Parker, Jefferson, Chandler or Okafor or other players like this filling out the roster.

They are going to trade players? You kind of need players on your team before you can trade...

TEXASTITAN
07-02-2010, 09:06 PM
Getting nobody as long as you retain wade isn't a big deal. But if you get nobody and wade bolts it's complete and utter failure. Hell if you get just bosh and wade leaves your still screwed.

rockets-fan
07-02-2010, 09:06 PM
Depends on your expectations. He has not been as good as he can because of the Heat usage of him and benching him for every small mistake he ever made.

well as the #2 pick i thought he would be a stud in his 2cd or 3rd year...sounds like hill when he was with the knicks...never used his talent

The Flash
07-02-2010, 09:07 PM
lol
Ill probably start "burning" again and watch B-easy play ...No dude don't even imagine Miami will come out as losers from all this . Wade's coming back early next week with someone , he's coming back to Wade County and Riles will make sure that happens... Didn't you see Spo' hauling his luggage? Do you really think Riley waited so long for nothing?

Sixerlover
07-02-2010, 09:08 PM
They are going to trade players? You kind of need players on your team before you can trade...

Not if you have cap space. Then you can trade the space (called a trade exception) and say a 2013 1st round pick or something like that.

It's a plus for the other team because they completely get out of that players contract, and get nothing but pure cap space back for it.

dnewguy
07-02-2010, 09:10 PM
This is not the time to laugh at Heat fans, but if Wade goes to Chicago......I can guarantee mass Heat Fan suicides if Wade signs with the Heats sworn enemy (Bulls)

LTBaByyy
07-02-2010, 09:10 PM
i dont know if theyre better...knicks have gallo,chandler,douglas roberts and someone else...i like those players

Ummmm when did they get cdr??

he's on the bucks

pistonsfanomg
07-02-2010, 09:12 PM
lol Like we said before the offseason... One team will be shut out lol....

oh ya if that happens that means Pat Riley will retire and they will be signing boring people..

rockets-fan
07-02-2010, 09:13 PM
Ummmm when did they get cdr??

he's on the bucks

sorry...i meant toney douglas :o:o

adidas2307
07-02-2010, 09:13 PM
Not if you have cap space. Then you can trade the space (called a trade exception) and say a 2013 1st round pick or something like that.

It's a plus for the other team because they completely get out of that players contract, and get nothing but pure cap space back for it.

Oh I see. I should probably look into things before saying anything haha

hgtiger32
07-02-2010, 09:21 PM
AI, T-Mac, Shaq, and JO are all willing to take double digit minutes and starters roles ;)

hahah now that would be funny lol

Starting 5:
PG: Allen Iverson
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Tracy McGrady
PF: Jermaine O'Neal
C: Shaquille O'Neal

Bench:
PG: Derek Fisher/Anthony Carter
SG: Larry Hughes/Ronald "Flip" Murray
SF: Jerry Stackhouse/Michael Finley
PF: Kurt Thomas/Al Harrington
C: Zydrunas Ilgauskas/Brad Miller

PHX2daDEATH
07-02-2010, 09:21 PM
The 2010-2011 Miami Heat

PG Stephon Marbury/Steve Francis
SG Josh Childress/Tracy McGrady
SF Michael Beasley
PF Udonis Haslem
C Shaquille O'Neal/EarlBarron

Daze9900
07-02-2010, 09:34 PM
You guys act like Chalmers and Beasley are D-League scrubs. That's a much better starting position than a lot of teams have.

They played better with Wade next to them. If those are going to be building blocks for the next heat era it will be a problem.

still1ballin
07-02-2010, 09:51 PM
I will LOLZ

Sportfan
07-02-2010, 09:52 PM
point and laugh
this

arkanian215
07-02-2010, 09:52 PM
They will be fine. Harrison Barnes.:flag:

RadiantShot
07-02-2010, 09:53 PM
:laugh:
Then they'll still suck..?

ILoveL.A2416
07-02-2010, 09:54 PM
HA That would be one pretty bad team.

TheShock45
07-02-2010, 09:55 PM
you sign the shittiest free agents you can to 1yr 2 million dollar deals. and half way thru the season trade whoevers doing good for 1st round picks and then try again next offseason.

Problem in basketball is people panic too much. why lock up somebody you dont want when you can just develop the few keepers you have and try again next year.

jjohnson154
07-02-2010, 09:55 PM
[/QUOTE]
Starting 5:
PG: Allen Iverson
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Tracy McGrady
PF: Jermaine O'Neal
C: Shaquille O'Neal

Bench:
PG: Derek Fisher/Anthony Carter
SG: Larry Hughes/Ronald "Flip" Murray
SF: Jerry Stackhouse/Michael Finley
PF: Kurt Thomas/Al Harrington
C: Zydrunas Ilgauskas/Brad Miller[/QUOTE]


All Star Team!


........2003.

sixer04fan
07-02-2010, 09:59 PM
I really hope something like this happens. It would be HILARIOUS!!!!

dtmagnet
07-02-2010, 10:01 PM
Top 3 pick in next year's draft.

LayZbone
07-02-2010, 10:02 PM
Beasley would get his stats, the Heat would be at the bottom of the league, and Heat fans would be hoping for Harrison Barnes.

Oh and Pat Riley would have to hide in a cave somewhere.

boolish
07-02-2010, 10:07 PM
somebody is not going to have a "chair" when the music stops. that could be CLE, CHI, NJN, or MIA. CHI would survive. MIA would not. Does "Riles" have some bad Karma to balance out?

ILMindState
07-02-2010, 10:14 PM
The Heat do NOT want to move Beasley because he "sucks" They wanted to deal him to get cap space to get the Big 3.

They want to move him because he's a head case who puts suicide notes on Twitter

SANDBURG23
07-02-2010, 10:22 PM
If Miami signs no one, which might happen Wade and Bosh to Bulls, LeBron to Clev, Amare to NY ( lose Curry next year sign Carmelo), Boozer S&T to Orlando, Lee to Thunder and Riley left crying. If this all happens best move would to do what Thunder did starting just before they left Seattle. Become dumping ground for bad contracts expiring in 1 to 3 years and make teams give you there 1st rd picks. In three years you got a team like the Thunder 8-10 first round picks all the bad contracts gone hopefully at least 1 a star and 3-4 reall god players a couple starters(fingers crossed) and about 15 million in cap for 1 player.

avrpatsfan
07-02-2010, 10:38 PM
Then they are ****ed.

DanielC
07-02-2010, 10:39 PM
They build around Beasley

kyubi256
07-02-2010, 10:41 PM
Tank and hope for 2011

GodsSon
07-02-2010, 10:46 PM
Then Beasley becomes their designated franchise player...bwahahahaha

shep33
07-02-2010, 10:59 PM
This could actually happen, I don't expect Wade to leave but I think Bosh and Wade seem as if they want to play together more than Lebron and Bosh... anybody else get that sense?

I can see LBJ and Boozer/Lee going to Chicago, and Bosh and Wade in Miami. I don't think we'll see that superstar team, but boy I bet Wade and LBJ are both interested in the Bulls.

PLAYERS FAN
07-02-2010, 11:11 PM
Naw, but for real you guys swear Chalmers and Beasley are some garbage *** D-Leaguers.... Better than what the Knicks currently have.

I like to see a team build around Beasley as their franchise player. Maybe playing the second option didn't sit well with mentally.

I personally think the criticism at him is unfair. Playing with Wade as the second option is not enough to say he can't be the main man on a team!

If he was drafted to a team that ready to make him their franchise player I guaranteed he's a 20 point player and up.

magichatnumber9
07-02-2010, 11:27 PM
If D Wade did that to the heat he would deserve to be punched for 1 hour everyday in the nuts.

SeoulBeatz
07-02-2010, 11:27 PM
The Heat do NOT want to move Beasley because he "sucks" They wanted to deal him to get cap space to get the Big 3.

He doesn't suck of course, but he has underachieved.

I was one of the people who thought the bulls were STUPID for not taking Beasley, which is why i'm not a GM.

But everytime i watch Beasley play i rarely notice he's on the court. I don't know what it is with him but his numbers are completely hollow to me (don't worry same thing happens with Iguodala a lot).

It's fine that you're defending your dude, but he has obviously been a dissapointment.

infamous46
07-02-2010, 11:30 PM
a Heat hater must have made this thread it should have been closed cuz it is the most unrealistic thing ever Florida doesnt have taxes and many player would love to go there and save money on a deal they could sign elsewhere u got to b dreaming if u think the Heat will not sign atleast 1 good player and Lebron and Wade dont want to play in Jordan's shadow in Chicago he is their idol but Shaq and Kobe didnt get along cuz they didnt wanna b under each other's shadows most of the free agents this year are best friends the Heat will sign atleast 2 great max players

Silent
07-02-2010, 11:31 PM
You guys act like Chalmers and Beasley are D-League scrubs. That's a much better starting position than a lot of teams have.

name 1

Double_R
07-02-2010, 11:32 PM
I like to see a team build around Beasley as their franchise player. Maybe playing the second option didn't sit well with mentally.

I personally think the criticism at him is unfair. Playing with Wade as the second option is not enough to say he can't be the main man on a team!

If he was drafted to a team that ready to make him their franchise player I guaranteed he's a 20 point player and up.

I hate to break it to u but Beasly is the NBA's version of JaMarcus Russell's attitude, but a little better player... Either way I see him and Chalmers all the time in the club drinking til way late during the season; nights before games and after games... Good luck with that dude

69centers
07-02-2010, 11:46 PM
You guys act like Chalmers and Beasley are D-League scrubs. That's a much better starting position than a lot of teams have.

LMFAO! :laugh: These two barely see the floor off most benches!

valade16
07-02-2010, 11:59 PM
I like to see a team build around Beasley as their franchise player. Maybe playing the second option didn't sit well with mentally.

I personally think the criticism at him is unfair. Playing with Wade as the second option is not enough to say he can't be the main man on a team!

If he was drafted to a team that ready to make him their franchise player I guaranteed he's a 20 point player and up.

Is this serious?? :confused:

Off all the teams "franchise players" he would instantly become the if not close to the worst franchise player.

Sorry but chalmers + Beasley is < Harris, Lopez; Tyreke and Landry; Griffin and Gordon; roy and Aldridge; Curry and Ellis, Love and Flynn; Gay and Mayo...
Sorry it'd be horrible

SugeKnight
07-03-2010, 12:04 AM
they got dexter pittman and desean butler

effen5
07-03-2010, 12:13 AM
Jon Scheyer! Gotta put in my GBN love for Scheyer

PLAYERS FAN
07-03-2010, 12:27 AM
I hate to break it to u but Beasly is the NBA's version of JaMarcus Russell's attitude, but a little better player... Either way I see him and Chalmers all the time in the club drinking til way late during the season; nights before games and after games... Good luck with that dude

I'm sorry and I take that back! :mad:

PLAYERS FAN
07-03-2010, 12:30 AM
Is this serious?? :confused:

Off all the teams "franchise players" he would instantly become the if not close to the worst franchise player.

Sorry but chalmers + Beasley is < Harris, Lopez; Tyreke and Landry; Griffin and Gordon; roy and Aldridge; Curry and Ellis, Love and Flynn; Gay and Mayo...
Sorry it'd be horrible

I'm sorry Double R enlighten me:facepalm:

Nikeman
07-03-2010, 12:35 AM
It just doesn't make sense for Wade to go to Chicago tho. Thinking about it logically, he wants to play with Bosh.

At the moment, the Bulls cannot do 2 max deals, and honestly, nobody wants to take Deng with that ridiculous contract.

Say the Bulls can offer 2 maxes, we have the bird rights of Wade, and we have something Toronto actually wants to get Bosh's bird rights. Toronto will NOT take back Deng's contract.

If Bosh and Wade do go to Chicago, a Rose and Wade backcourt comes into conflict with them both demanding the ball.

In Miami, Bosh and Wade can choose their role players, to fit their needs as they see with the 15 mill.

We just gotta wait, everything will play out as it should

J_M_B
07-03-2010, 12:47 AM
Miami isn't out of the race for anyone..

J_M_B
07-03-2010, 12:52 AM
LMFAO! :laugh: These two barely see the floor off most benches!

Wow..

This is probably the worst post I've seen all day.

Honestly, I dislike Chalmers, but to say he would barely see the floor off most benches?

He's a good fit as a back-up point guard. I won't get into details why because I'm tired and about to go to bed. I can't you even said that about Beasley.

Beasley mid-season was averaging 16 and 8, but after missing 3 games with a leg injury, he went into a long slump and struggled.

Michael Beasley still has the potential to average 20 and 9. Most people outside of Miami don't know that.

Mr.ATLHawks
07-03-2010, 12:59 AM
It's surprising what has been going on.

If Amare is going to sign with the Knicks (which it looks likely), the Heat may not even get Wade back.

This all hinges upon Chris Bosh. If he lands in Houston, New Jersey or Chicago, I think Wade and LeBron are destined for New York and Chicago seperately.

Chances are LeBron is not going to sign with Miami and the Heat are going to be nowhere near championship contenders with a Wade-Boozer pairing. And now that Joe Johnson is off the table, they won't even be able to team up Wade and Johnson.

So if Bosh doesn't sign there, we could be looking at Wade in New York or Chicago and LeBron in New York or Chicago.

Keep in mind, Wade scheduled a second Bulls meeting today and said that the Knicks meeting went "really good" and he was "intrigued".

He's not stupid, obviously he knows what he is doing.


Joe Johnson hasnt signed the deal yet, and also keep in mind this could just be a sign and trade ploy you know Atlanta is cheap

Mr.ATLHawks
07-03-2010, 01:09 AM
Is this serious?? :confused:

Off all the teams "franchise players" he would instantly become the if not close to the worst franchise player.

Sorry but chalmers + Beasley is < Harris, Lopez; Tyreke and Landry; Griffin and Gordon; roy and Aldridge; Curry and Ellis, Love and Flynn; Gay and Mayo...
Sorry it'd be horrible
I was with you until you mentioned Carl Landry as a "franchise player". Dont get me wrong i like his hustle mentality but they drafted Whiteside and Demarcus Cousins for a reason and the reason isnt b/c Landry is the franchise player. Kevin Love isnt even a starter and in no way shape or form a franchise player. IDK WTF Minnesota is doing out there...I like the Wesley Johnson pick but cmon you going to trade Al Jefferson to keep Kevin Love not smart IMO. What about Corey Brewer is the experiment officially over? Curry and Ellis wont be together to much longer...Rudy Gay isnt a Franchise player and Mayo has yet to live up to the hype.. All these guys have potential but to give them Franchise Tags as of right now is ridiculous. Every team doesnt have a franchise caliber type player. The Wade, James, Durant, Bryants dont come every blue moon.

Derick713
07-03-2010, 01:32 AM
I think Mark Cuban needs to get a hold of D-Wade and try and get a Sign and Trade worked out. At the end of the day I think Pat Riley would rather see D-Wade in the West and not East. It seems like the Bulls might have their pick of Wade, Bosh, and James.

The more Cap Space you have the worse off you are. The Heat's abundance of Cap Room only means they lack talent. Two Max players and a supporting cast put together with 11 Million isn't Bryant, Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Artest, and Blake.

Patrick Beverly/Mario Chalmers
Ronnie Brewer/De'Sean Butler/
Caron Butler/Travis Outlaw/
Michael Beasley/Jarvis Varnado/
Joel Anthony/Dexter Pittman/

Derick713
07-03-2010, 01:36 AM
It just doesn't make sense for Wade to go to Chicago tho. Thinking about it logically, he wants to play with Bosh.

At the moment, the Bulls cannot do 2 max deals, and honestly, nobody wants to take Deng with that ridiculous contract.

Say the Bulls can offer 2 maxes, we have the bird rights of Wade, and we have something Toronto actually wants to get Bosh's bird rights. Toronto will NOT take back Deng's contract.

If Bosh and Wade do go to Chicago, a Rose and Wade backcourt comes into conflict with them both demanding the ball.

In Miami, Bosh and Wade can choose their role players, to fit their needs as they see with the 15 mill.

We just gotta wait, everything will play out as it should

The Mavericks may try and pry Deng away with Dampier's contract. That would allow the Mavs to include Caron Butler in a Sign and Trade for Wade. I think given the option Pat would rather see Wade in the West than with the Bulls or Knicks.

Jason Kidd/Rodrigue Beabouis/
Dwayne Wade/Jason Terry/
Shawn Marion/Luol Deng
Dirk Notwitzki/?
Brendan Haywood/?

marlinsfan24
07-03-2010, 01:40 AM
Wow..

This is probably the worst post I've seen all day.

Honestly, I dislike Chalmers, but to say he would barely see the floor off most benches?

He's a good fit as a back-up point guard. I won't get into details why because I'm tired and about to go to bed. I can't you even said that about Beasley.

Beasley mid-season was averaging 16 and 8, but after missing 3 games with a leg injury, he went into a long slump and struggled.

Michael Beasley still has the potential to average 20 and 9. Most people outside of Miami don't know that.

He's 21 and hasn't found his game yet he was able to drop 15 and 7 on a team where there were barley any plays run for him

Michael Beastey scores 20 points per game while Dwayne Wade doesnt play including his rookie season.

And also when Dwade doesnt play Beasley gets a bit more mintues. He gets around 33-37 mintues per game when Dwayne Wade is out. His rebounds are also great when he really puts his nose to the ball.

Michael Beasley gets more mintues when Wade's hurt and he usually gets his nice 20 points and 8-10 rebounds per game.

But people don't want to see that. They see a kid who got into trouble and struggled a bit on the court even though he's only in his sophomore season. If you actually watch the kid, he's maturing. He spends late nights at the gym practicing after he struggles.

Pat Riley has this to say when asked if he was dealing Beasley during the draft


"That's not going to happen," Riley insisted of potentially selling Beasley off for additional cap space. "We are not that desperate for room, to trade the second pick in the draft.

"We want to build around him."


But is Beasley truly doing all that bad? Dude has played over 30 minutes just five times since November 14, and heís still fifth among rookies in scoring and sixth in rebounding. Sure, there are some obvious areas where B-Easy still needs to improve, but the Heat are happy with the trajectory on which their forward progressing. Just read what GM Pat Riley told ESPNís Jackie MacMullan earlier this week:

ďIf Beasley averaged 30 minutes a night, heíd score 24 points a game. If he played 40 minutes, heíd lead the league in scoring.Ē

Wade's thoughts on Beasley:

Q: The Heat is in a situation where trading Michael Beasley could free up the space needed to add a third superstar who would make a maximum salary. Do you want him to stay in Miami?

A: Mike Beasley is my teammate. I really donít have too many teammates under contract right now. Iím only under contract for a little bit of time now. But I love playing with Michael. Heís going to be good before itís over with. But we just donít know how good or great heís going to be and when it will be. Iíve grown to like Mike as a person. Heís a great kid. If someone asks me about Michael, Iíll say heís my teammate and I support him. There are going to be a lot of things said or that might come out. But Iím approaching this season as if Michael is my teammate, because he is.

This kid has so much potential on offense and he will figure it out soon.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 01:42 AM
It just doesn't make sense for Wade to go to Chicago tho. Thinking about it logically, he wants to play with Bosh.

At the moment, the Bulls cannot do 2 max deals, and honestly, nobody wants to take Deng with that ridiculous contract.

Say the Bulls can offer 2 maxes, we have the bird rights of Wade, and we have something Toronto actually wants to get Bosh's bird rights. Toronto will NOT take back Deng's contract.

If Bosh and Wade do go to Chicago, a Rose and Wade backcourt comes into conflict with them both demanding the ball.

In Miami, Bosh and Wade can choose their role players, to fit their needs as they see with the 15 mill.

We just gotta wait, everything will play out as it should
The Bulls would likely be looking to trade Taj Gibson, multiple 1st round picks and money for Bosh. Deng is known to not be wanted. But other rumors are out that the Bulls have deals prepared for Deng.


Rose also does not demand the ball, not to the extent Wade or James do.

And unless you believe Miami based reporters, Miami doesn't have much of what Toronto wants. Toronto is not that high on Beasley, just like they aren't high on Deng.

29$JerZ
07-03-2010, 01:44 AM
There are 5 PF's in the FA market

Bosh
Dirk - likely to stay in Dallas imo
Amar'e - Knicks
Boozer - Could be a Net, Magic, Bull, or Heat
David Lee - Last on the list

If Miami can't get Bosh they still have Boozer to look forward too, but if Boozer goes too then you can say Miami is in trouble.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 01:51 AM
There are 5 PF's in the FA market

Bosh
Dirk - likely to stay in Dallas imo
Amar'e - Knicks
Boozer - Could be a Net, Magic, Bull, or Heat
David Lee - Last on the list

If Miami can't get Bosh they still have Boozer to look forward too, but if Boozer goes too then you can say Miami is in trouble.
One report (again, just one from Chicago) said that if the Bulls want him, Boozer will be a Bull.

Gibby23
07-03-2010, 02:02 AM
The Bulls would likely be looking to trade Taj Gibson, multiple 1st round picks and money for Bosh. Deng is known to not be wanted. But other rumors are out that the Bulls have deals prepared for Deng.


Rose also does not demand the ball, not to the extent Wade or James do.

And unless you believe Miami based reporters, Miami doesn't have much of what Toronto wants. Toronto is not that high on Beasley, just like they aren't high on Deng.

Wade is staying in Miami. The Raps are pretty high on the 16.5 million trade exception they can get from the Heat along with 1sr round draft picks. They can do more with 16.5 million than they can with an average Taj Gibson.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 02:04 AM
Wade is staying in Miami. The Raps are pretty high on the 16.5 million trade exception they can get from the Heat along with 1sr round draft picks. They can do more with 16.5 million than they can with an average Taj Gibson.
I'm glad you're confident about Wade...I'm not sure anyone else is.


And the Bulls offer included Taj Gibson, 3 1st round picks, 3 MM cash and 15 MTPE. I think that's quite damn comparable. The Bulls also have the Bobcats first to trade along with their own.

Gibby23
07-03-2010, 02:07 AM
I'm glad you're confident about Wade...I'm not sure anyone else is.


And the Bulls offer included Taj Gibson, 3 1st round picks, 3 MM cash and 15 MTPE. I think that's quite damn comparable. The Bulls also have the Bobcats first to trade along with their own.

They cant offer all that, they can go up to about 16.5 million total with player, cash, and TPE. You are obviously making this up.

Thisisouryear!!
07-03-2010, 02:09 AM
Lol miami might be the team that gets screwed....two days ago they were on top of the world...

I still say wade and bosh end up in miami....

Amare and lebron to the knicks.....

boozer to chicago...

jj to atlanta....

lee to the nets....

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 02:13 AM
They cant offer all that, they can go up to about 16.5 million total with player, cash, and TPE. You are obviously making this up.
Sam Smith (Bulls writer) from 07/01


Sam Smith was on ESPN 1000 just now and said something to the effect that the Bulls will probably be sending Taj, 15M TPE, and 3 1st rounders (EDIT: and $3M cash)to get Bosh if Bosh wants to sign with Bulls.


I don't know all the rules on S+T, but I thought you could send more.


Either way, if that's the case, the Bulls obviously have little problem sending Taj Gibson (a good young player) along with the TPE, cash or picks in whatever order Toronto wants them.

The Dream
07-03-2010, 02:15 AM
Perhaps last tweet of the night. Heat showed no interest Friday in matching Knicks' 5-yr, $100 million offer to Amare. 11 minutes ago via web


lol just letting you heat fans know

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 02:17 AM
I don't think anyone wants to match that offer hahah

Gibby23
07-03-2010, 02:22 AM
Sam Smith (Bulls writer) from 07/01




I don't know all the rules on S+T, but I thought you could send more.


Either way, if that's the case, the Bulls obviously have little problem sending Taj Gibson (a good young player) along with the TPE, cash or picks in whatever order Toronto wants them.

Sam Smith is a ******, has had many false reports this year,including one where he said the Lakers were going to trade Odom and Bynum for Bosh and Jack. He doesn't know what he is reporting half the time.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 02:25 AM
Sam Smith is a ******, has had many false reports this year,including one where he said the Lakers were going to trade Odom and Bynum for Bosh and Jack. He doesn't know what he is reporting half the time.
He said it might be offered...which it may have been, you simply don't know.

However, he is a BULLS reporter, he knows the Bulls well, I trust that he knows a bit on what they might trade.



As I said, I'm not well-versed on the S+T rules, can you detail them please?

Gibby23
07-03-2010, 02:30 AM
He said it might be offered...which it may have been, you simply don't know.

However, he is a BULLS reporter, he knows the Bulls well, I trust that he knows a bit on what they might trade.



As I said, I'm not well-versed on the S+T rules, can you detail them please?
I dont have time to go into detail, but if the bulls send 15 million in tpe, they don't have enough money for another top FA.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 02:31 AM
I dont have time to go into detail, but in the bulls send 15 million in tpe, they don't have enough money for another top FA.
Deng will be dealt, I pretty much guarantee it.

How does the TPE effect the cap?

Gibby23
07-03-2010, 02:33 AM
Deng will be dealt, I pretty much guarantee it.

How does the TPE effect the cap?


Lol at another team taking Deng, no NBA team wants that contract and sofr every team that has been asked has said hell no.

TPE is just sending your teams cap space to the other team.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 02:35 AM
Lol at another team taking Deng, no NBA team wants that contract and sofr every team that has been asked has said hell no.

TPE is just sending your teams cap space to the other team.
If Gibson is involved, I think it's basically even, correct?


When Amare, Boozer, Lebron and JJ are gone, Deng will be pretty easy to move IMO. They won't get anything of real value for him, but I have no doubt Deng being moved is an inevitable move the Bulls make in the next two weeks (if they have the opportunity to sign another big name)



Early reports say Portland may be interested in Deng.

Gibby23
07-03-2010, 02:39 AM
If Gibson is involved, I think it's basically even, correct?
When Amare, Boozer, Lebron and JJ are gone, Deng will be pretty easy to move IMO. They won't get anything of real value for him, but I have no doubt Deng being moved is an inevitable move the Bulls make in the next two weeks (if they have the opportunity to sign another big name)



Early reports say Portland may be interested in Deng.

Whats even?


And if Portland wants Deng, they are over the cap,so the Bulls would have to take back about the same amount of $$$ from the Blazers.

nanablvd
07-03-2010, 02:45 AM
As there are 4 teams capable of signing several max contracts, along with home teams having birds rights, somebody is/are just expected to make the headlines as losers in a week or two.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 02:51 AM
Whats even?


And if Portland wants Deng, they are over the cap,so the Bulls would have to take back about the same amount of $$$ from the Blazers.
Well, pretty much every source I've heard from has the Bulls being very close to able to sign 2 guys at max (and frankly, I don't even want that to happen, I'd prefer Lebron/Boozer)


If they need 2 million freed up in a deal, I frankly doubt they cannot find it.

Gibby23
07-03-2010, 02:55 AM
Well, pretty much every source I've heard from has the Bulls being very close to able to sign 2 guys at max (and frankly, I don't even want that to happen, I'd prefer Lebron/Boozer)


If they need 2 million freed up in a deal, I frankly doubt they cannot find it.

I think the Bulls are going to end up with Just Boozer. Lebron and Wade are staying with Bosh going to Miami with Wade because Miami can afford it and do a S & T easy with a straight up 16.5million TPE because they have the cap space.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 02:57 AM
I think the Bulls are going to end up with Just Boozer. Lebron and Wade are staying with Bosh going to Miami with Wade because Miami can afford it and do a S & T easy with a straight up 16.5million TPE because they have the cap space.
Definitely possible.

If that happens, at least the Bulls can build a nice bench around the 4 of Rose, Boozer, Deng, Noah. If they do grab two big contract guys, they're going to have a weak bench.

29$JerZ
07-03-2010, 02:58 AM
If Gibson is involved, I think it's basically even, correct?


When Amare, Boozer, Lebron and JJ are gone, Deng will be pretty easy to move IMO. They won't get anything of real value for him, but I have no doubt Deng being moved is an inevitable move the Bulls make in the next two weeks (if they have the opportunity to sign another big name)



Early reports say Portland may be interested in Deng.

Deng being traded isn't the problem, it's what they want for him which is. It's a bad time too trade a large contract for CAP space only. They already exhausted Washington and the only other teams with Cap space have SF's.

They could get AL Jefferson with Deng imo.

robdizzle3
07-03-2010, 03:03 AM
If wade leaves, everything falls apart. Miami will still get players, probably Boozer and maybe some second fiddle guys, but that would really suck. Wade really wants to play for his hometown, but I just cant see him actually leaving Miami. They love him more than Chicago does. they want Lebron more anyways. If I were Miami and he signed with Chicago, I would be mad. We'll find out sunday night or early Monday.

redwhitenblue
07-03-2010, 03:04 AM
Deng being traded isn't the problem, it's what they want for him which is. It's a bad time too trade a large contract for CAP space only. They already exhausted Washington and the only other teams with Cap space have SF's.

They could get AL Jefferson with Deng imo.
I'm personally not that against Deng, I like the idea of Boozer around 13 MM and giving a max to another guy if possible.

There are a lot of moves that will be made July 8th, including many trades revolving around these FA's...we don't know what is set up.

Draco
07-03-2010, 03:05 AM
Whats even?


And if Portland wants Deng, they are over the cap,so the Bulls would have to take back about the same amount of $$$ from the Blazers.

They can take back less.. as long as the contracts are within a certain percentage.

Draco
07-03-2010, 03:08 AM
Deng being traded isn't the problem, it's what they want for him which is. It's a bad time too trade a large contract for CAP space only. They already exhausted Washington and the only other teams with Cap space have SF's.

They could get AL Jefferson with Deng imo.

A good blog entry by dougthonus reminds that one way to get the second full max is trading Deng for a player with a slightly smaller contract to clear the few million that's needed.

dimedrpr
07-03-2010, 03:23 AM
So a 21 year old averaging 15 and 7 in his 2nd year is a scrub and doesn't know how to do anything? I guess people should have pulled the plug on Bosh, Amare, and KG's careers early on as well.:facepalm:

There is a reason that the Heat can't find a team to take him off their hands despite his small contract and age.

The Raven
07-03-2010, 03:36 AM
I think is Wade does leave, the Heat are screwed. Their whole off season was about getting players to play with Wade on the team. If he leaves, who honestly is going to go there. They are not an upgrade if Wade leaves and some second fiddle comes in like Boozer or Bosh. Wade seems keen on playing for the Bulls so really i think the heats hands are tied because Lebron isnt going to the Heat if he's the only superstar there. Odds are he goes with Wade to the Bulls and the Heat are left to rot

abe_froman
07-03-2010, 03:40 AM
the heat move to seattle(take up the sonics mantle) as there wont be a fan left in miami

THE MTL
07-03-2010, 03:49 AM
The Heat will be immediately SOLD to the highest bidder. That team will be SCREWED! They only have two players there: Chalmers (backup PG) and Beasley (HIGH bust probability)

WashHeightsO
07-05-2010, 12:08 AM
As much as I am sexually excited by what you're saying, I still think Bosh ends up in Miami with Wade


If Bosh ends up in Mia do you think Lebron ends up in NY?

Chives
07-05-2010, 12:18 AM
I don't think they will strike out. I'm pretty sure Dwayne Wade will be back in Miami. That's his town and his team. I think they will get either Chris Bosh or Carlos Boozer too.

justinnum1
07-05-2010, 12:22 AM
Keep on hating haters...we will see who has the last laugh.

DR. Pepper
07-05-2010, 12:35 AM
Chris Bosh is signing with the miami heat.. yesterday on his twitter he had his location as Miami Florida and had his Bio as Power forward Miami heat.. he changed it to Free Agent but *hint hint* and i took a pic of it on my cell cuz i knew there would be ppl who wouldnt believe me

Derick713
07-05-2010, 12:35 AM
At least we'll see if Michael Beasley can be a franchise player. Harrison Barnes is who the Heat need to focus on now.

Kyle Lowry/Patrick Beverly/
Ronnie Brewer/Wesley Matthews/
Travis Outlaw/Kyle Korver
Michael Beasley/Jarvis Varnado/
Aaron Gray/Dexter Pittman

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 12:38 AM
Naw, but for real you guys swear Chalmers and Beasley are some garbage *** D-Leaguers.... Better than what the Knicks currently have.

Please tell me your kidding. In no way shape or form is Beasley+Chalmers better than Gallo+CHandler+Douglas.

footballer2369
07-05-2010, 12:41 AM
Please tell me your kidding. In no way shape or form is Beasley+Chalmers better than Gallo+CHandler+Douglas.

beasley>galo chalmers>douglas...

chandler is a decent average player...we can just re-sign q rich with the extra 10 mill in cap we have on them and we have a better roster...

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 12:46 AM
beasley>galo chalmers>douglas...

chandler is a decent average player...we can just re-sign q rich with the extra 10 mill in cap we have on them and we have a better roster...

No. Galo>Beasley and TD=Chalmers. And Wilson Chandler is probably the best player out of any of them at this point. People hate on this guy and I have no idea. He is a VERY good SF.

daleja424
07-05-2010, 12:49 AM
people are such haters on beasley. At best Gallo=Beasley...

JordanPippen
07-05-2010, 12:50 AM
"The most hated team on PSD"

that's because most of your team's posters are obnoxious

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 12:52 AM
people are such haters on beasley. At best Gallo=Beasley...

Hating is when you trash someone for no reason. Beasley has given plenty of reason to discount him. He reeks of a guy that will be what he was last year for his whole career. He just doesn't seem to care enough to ever be more than that.

footballer2369
07-05-2010, 12:57 AM
Hating is when you trash someone for no reason. Beasley has given plenty of reason to discount him. He reeks of a guy that will be what he was last year for his whole career. He just doesn't seem to care enough to ever be more than that.

why speak if you aren't informed? if you know nothing, why do you feel the need to chime in?

Beasley was better last year (check the numbers if you must), has way more talent and upside, and wants it more than anyone.

It's so weird when people act like they know someone when all they know is a couple lines in a random report or two from someone who probably didn't even know that person...

Team*Chicago
07-05-2010, 12:58 AM
That's some stupid-*** capitalization. What the hell is TLEY?

He meant to say cheesey has in Michael Cheesey.

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 01:01 AM
why speak if you aren't informed? if you know nothing, why do you feel the need to chime in?

Beasley was better last year (check the numbers if you must), has way more talent and upside, and wants it more than anyone.

It's so weird when people act like they know someone when all they know is a couple lines in a random report or two from someone who probably didn't even know that person...

I didn't say **** about knowing him. I spoke only about his on court perfromance. I don't like to judge people off of anything I have not seen with my own eyes. I've watched Beasley play, and I don't see any desire. No heart. No passion. No love for the game of basketball. He is only effective when he is the main guy (he plays better when he isn't with Wade). But he doesn't show the necessary qualities to ever be a main guy. That leads me to believe all he will ever be is a 6th man that puts up decent stats off the bench but always leaves you wanting more.

DeShaun Brown
07-05-2010, 01:02 AM
He will probably force a S&T with Dallas if Miami can't get anyone. Rose is a great player, but they have very similar games.... Wade would be more affective in Dallas.

Can you imagine the kind of damage two Wade-like players can do? I mean 1 Wade is enough but two would be amazing. Wade and Rose would easily be the best guard combo in the league. Pick your poison!

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 01:05 AM
Can you imagine the kind of damage two Wade-like players can do? I mean 1 Wade is enough but two would be amazing. Wade and Rose would easily be the best guard combo in the league. Pick your poison!

It's not as simple as that. Names on paper don't win titles. Players need to mesh on the court. I feel Rose and Wade are way too similar to fit. I think LBJ is a better fit with Rose. I feel he and Rose would need some time to get used to one another, but it would work eventually. They have similar, but still different games. Wade is like a senior version of Rose.

robdizzle3
07-05-2010, 01:07 AM
I didn't say **** about knowing him. I spoke only about his on court perfromance. I don't like to judge people off of anything I have not seen with my own eyes. I've watched Beasley play, and I don't see any desire. No heart. No passion. No love for the game of basketball. He is only effective when he is the main guy (he plays better when he isn't with Wade). But he doesn't show the necessary qualities to ever be a main guy. That leads me to believe all he will ever be is a 6th man that puts up decent stats off the bench but always leaves you wanting more.

Its the offseason, so I guess I can agree with a Celtics fan lol. In all seriousness, I agree and thats been the knock on the Bees for a while now. Either he's the guy or he's nothing. Right now, there is no other level. He has to learn how to play with other Stars or like you said, he will just be a sixth man.

REALLYYYYY?
07-05-2010, 01:09 AM
D Rose. The end. (In reference to posts 144 and 145...)

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 01:09 AM
Its the offseason, so I guess I can agree with a Celtics fan lol. In all seriousness, I agree and thats been the knock on the Bees for a while now. Either he's the guy or he's nothing. Right now, there is no other level. He has to learn how to play with other Stars or like you said, he will just be a sixth man.

Not only that, but he CAN'T be a star. He just doesn't bring that type of effort every night. If he ever gets it together, I doubt it's in MIA. I think the only possible way to salvage his career is with a change of scenery.

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 01:13 AM
D Rose. The end. (In reference to posts 144 and 145...)

It's people like you that make other fan hate and underate Rose. If you would just stop being such a homer and bringing him up where he has no business being brought up, people would respect your hero more.

robdizzle3
07-05-2010, 01:23 AM
Not only that, but he CAN'T be a star. He just doesn't bring that type of effort every night. If he ever gets it together, I doubt it's in MIA. I think the only possible way to salvage his career is with a change of scenery.

Also agreed. This guy has all the talent to be a top guy,, especially when you see this guy soar for rebounds and blocked shots, knock down mid ranges and dunk off the charts, but then he gets lazy, always boxed out and never rotates on the defensive end. he gets a good mentality and I guarantee you, no 4 will be able to stick him.

marlinsfan24
07-05-2010, 01:43 AM
Not only that, but he CAN'T be a star. He just doesn't bring that type of effort every night. If he ever gets it together, I doubt it's in MIA. I think the only possible way to salvage his career is with a change of scenery.

If Wade leaves, he can be the star in Miami. People don't understand the ridiculous pressure that Beasley was under. He had to avoid making the smallest mistakes otherwise he was benched in favor for Haslem right away. Beasley put so much pressure on himself to succeed because of what Rose and Durant were doing. Wade never really took him under his wing. And if you truly claim to have watched him play in the NBA, you'd have noticed that even when Wade was out, there were no set plays for Beasley to run. A lot of people say he isn't a good fit on the team, I don't think that's the case. The team never accommodated for him and it hurt his development. Guaranteed if he had a better coach, and this is no knock on Spolestra, he'd be better off. Adding all that up, there's no way someone can have fun playing basketball with all this weighting on them at all times.

And salvage his career, last I checked 15 and 7 are decent numbers for a 2nd year power forward averaging just 30 mins a game without the offense being set for him.

The kid showed improvement between his first 2 seasons and is going to continue to get better.

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 01:59 AM
If Wade leaves, he can be the star in Miami. People don't understand the ridiculous pressure that Beasley was under. He had to avoid making the smallest mistakes otherwise he was benched in favor for Haslem right away. Beasley put so much pressure on himself to succeed because of what Rose and Durant were doing. Wade never really took him under his wing. And if you truly claim to have watched him play in the NBA, you'd have noticed that even when Wade was out, there were no set plays for Beasley to run. A lot of people say he isn't a good fit on the team, I don't think that's the case. The team never accommodated for him and it hurt his development. Guaranteed if he had a better coach, and this is no knock on Spolestra, he'd be better off. Adding all that up, there's no way someone can have fun playing basketball with all this weighting on them at all times.

And salvage his career, last I checked 15 and 7 are decent numbers for a 2nd year power forward averaging just 30 mins a game without the offense being set for him.

The kid showed improvement between his first 2 seasons and is going to continue to get better.

I never said he was blessed with a great situation. But at some point a player needs to take some accountability. It can't always be everyone else's fault. Do you know why Haslem has the respect of the coaches as you mentioned? It's because he's balls to the walls every play. I was a Heat supporter during their little run a few years back (I love both Shaq and Wade and I needed to root for someone after the Celts got knocked out of the first run, if we even made it). Haslem was one of my favorite players for that reason. If you're gonna make mistakes, do it at 100%. Beasley, to me, is another Lamar Odom. He will be a good player, but he will never be as good as he can be. Obviously that is a projection on my part, but how is it any different than you projecting him to be better than that?

marlinsfan24
07-05-2010, 02:19 AM
I never said he was blessed with a great situation. But at some point a player needs to take some accountability. It can't always be everyone else's fault. Do you know why Haslem has the respect of the coaches as you mentioned? It's because he's balls to the walls every play. I was a Heat supporter during their little run a few years back (I love both Shaq and Wade and I needed to root for someone after the Celts got knocked out of the first run, if we even made it). Haslem was one of my favorite players for that reason. If you're gonna make mistakes, do it at 100%. Beasley, to me, is another Lamar Odom. He will be a good player, but he will never be as good as he can be. Obviously that is a projection on my part, but how is it any different than you projecting him to be better than that?

I will just respectively disagree with your projection then. However I do love the Heat support you have shown :)

footballer2369
07-05-2010, 02:22 AM
I never said he was blessed with a great situation. But at some point a player needs to take some accountability. It can't always be everyone else's fault. Do you know why Haslem has the respect of the coaches as you mentioned? It's because he's balls to the walls every play. I was a Heat supporter during their little run a few years back (I love both Shaq and Wade and I needed to root for someone after the Celts got knocked out of the first run, if we even made it). Haslem was one of my favorite players for that reason. If you're gonna make mistakes, do it at 100%. Beasley, to me, is another Lamar Odom. He will be a good player, but he will never be as good as he can be. Obviously that is a projection on my part, but how is it any different than you projecting him to be better than that?

one of our sides has history on our side (one of the greatest freshman seasons in college basketball history) and a player who has shown flashes of greatness and the other has opinion and media spinning on his. that is the difference.

beasley has been above 15 PER both seasons and is 21 with more talent than all but a few superstars...the amount of ignorance and criticism surrounding the guy is insane...he's a very polarizing character, that's for sure.

IAmKira
07-05-2010, 02:26 AM
Heats gonna get demoted to NBDL! LOLLLLLLL If not, better start picking beasley as a 2-3 rounder in my fantasy draft :D

blams
07-05-2010, 02:48 AM
Wade will resign, and I think they'll get Lee or a group of secondary FA's-which might be better.

I hope you're wrong, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up for LBJ or DW

_KB24_
07-05-2010, 02:48 AM
The Heat are going to be royally screwed if Bosh does not sign with them anymore. Thats their only hope. If he signs in Chicago or ends up going to Houston, theirs no way Wade is going to re-sign in Miami as Lebron would never want to take the backseat in Miami. In that case, Lebron and Wade go separately to either New York or Chicago respectively, and the Heat are done.

hugepatsfan
07-05-2010, 02:52 AM
The Heat are going to be royally screwed if Bosh does not sign with them anymore. Thats their only hope. If he signs in Chicago or ends up going to Houston, theirs no way Wade is going to re-sign in Miami as Lebron would never want to take the backseat in Miami. In that case, Lebron and Wade go separately to either New York or Chicago respectively, and the Heat are done.

But if Bosh goes to MIA, then Wade stays. And what if LBJ goes to NJ (as I think he should)? I say Boozer follows him then. AMare in NY already and JJ statying in A-town = Bulls bent over. SOmeone is going to be left crying this offseason - adds to the drama.

blams
07-05-2010, 02:53 AM
I still have a bad feeling my Bulls are going to miss out on LBJ, Wade, and Bosh. :(

The Jokemaker
07-05-2010, 02:59 AM
The heat will still wind up with Wade and Bosh. It would just be an insane scenario if the heat were left with nobody in all this. I really don't see Riley putting his team in a position where that's likely. If the heat do somehow end up with nobody, they're automitcally the worst team in the league and Riley will leave.

_KB24_
07-05-2010, 03:12 AM
But if Bosh goes to MIA, then Wade stays. And what if LBJ goes to NJ (as I think he should)? I say Boozer follows him then. AMare in NY already and JJ statying in A-town = Bulls bent over. SOmeone is going to be left crying this offseason - adds to the drama.

Good point, but the Heat are literally going to lose everything if things don't fall in to place like they want. They have the most to lose and potentially the greatest to achieve. Wow.

LA_Raiders
07-05-2010, 09:40 AM
Miami can offer him top $ so he will stay, and they will get either booz or bosh also..

omdigga
07-05-2010, 09:51 AM
nobody is out of FA yet cause there have been no signings...
if any of the teams that cleared so much cap get shut out... they are fooooooooooooooooooooked

h2r09
07-05-2010, 09:56 AM
nobody is getting left out. Wade is probably staying and id guess LEbron is too. Even if that happens although the bulls and nets wont get bosh or the 2 big names, they will probably get either lee or Boozer and just add depth. But it would suck for the bulls since you just give hinrich away for nothing.

h2r09
07-05-2010, 10:02 AM
If Wade leaves, he can be the star in Miami. People don't understand the ridiculous pressure that Beasley was under. He had to avoid making the smallest mistakes otherwise he was benched in favor for Haslem right away. Beasley put so much pressure on himself to succeed because of what Rose and Durant were doing. Wade never really took him under his wing. And if you truly claim to have watched him play in the NBA, you'd have noticed that even when Wade was out, there were no set plays for Beasley to run. A lot of people say he isn't a good fit on the team, I don't think that's the case. The team never accommodated for him and it hurt his development. Guaranteed if he had a better coach, and this is no knock on Spolestra, he'd be better off. Adding all that up, there's no way someone can have fun playing basketball with all this weighting on them at all times.

And salvage his career, last I checked 15 and 7 are decent numbers for a 2nd year power forward averaging just 30 mins a game without the offense being set for him.

The kid showed improvement between his first 2 seasons and is going to continue to get better.

the only presssure beasley was under was the one he put himself in by creating distractions off the court and not performing up to his capabilites on the ocurt. He has all the talent in the world but he will never be a star.

With that being said he will still be a quality player in this league, probably not for miami and probably not for a winning team. His defense is just so horrendous. I have season tickets and you get a great view of just how slow he is on defense and how little he moves on offense. He has a lot of talent but he doesnt have the brains to put it togehter on the court.

For example, game 4 of the first round this year he was terrific, and i dont even know what his stats were. He was active on defense and he was moving around and he was aggressive on offense. That is all he needs to do to become a very good player. We ended up winning that game and we went up to boston for an elimination game. He then proceeded to come out and 1) not be ready to play and 2) do everything the opposite of what he did in game 4. He wasnt aggressive and he was awful on defense and made severl terrible passing decisions. Its just not the type of consistency he needs to show. He will put it all together one day but he will never be a lead dog and if he is he will never win anything. Think of him as an Al Hrrington type of player.

He will be a very nice player in this league though, albeit not for the heat.

JJMONEY
07-05-2010, 10:03 AM
Nothing has changed! The HEAT will shock the basketball world and get the Big Three of Wade, Lebron, and Bosh! Bet on it!

JOSKOMANG4
07-05-2010, 10:29 AM
I still think Miami will get what they want at the end!!

1) Sign Wade(16.4) & James(16.4)

2) Sign Boozer (11.0)

3) Sign Shaq & K.Dooling (league minimum), and Raja Bell(2yr 13.0)

4) Resign C Joel Anthony(1yr 2.5 mill) & Q.Richardson(1yr 5.0 mill)

Lineup:

C) Shaq
PF) Boozer
SF) James
SG) Wade
PG) Chalmers

Bench:

C) J.Anthony
PF) Beasley
SF) Q
SF/SG) D.Butler(rookie)
PF) Varnardo(rookie)
C) Pittman(rookie)
SG) R.Bell
PG) K.Dooling


Then What happens to bosh? He signs with Chicago along w/Tracy Mcgrady

C) Noah
PF) Bosh
SF) Deng
SG) T-Mac
PG) Rose.

Assman22
07-05-2010, 10:40 AM
Either Miami or Chicago will be devastated come Thursday. No one is going to Miami if Wade leaves but LBJ and Wade could both stay home and nullify Chicago. Going to be a long week of waiting....

The Raven
07-05-2010, 11:48 AM
If Wade leaves, what all star this off season is going to even want to go there? Whats so excitin about playin with the Heat after they just decimated their roster

drobe86
07-05-2010, 07:01 PM
Miami is screwed anyway you look at it. at one time it was a foregone conclusion that DWade would come back and that's now up in the air. They only have 2 players under contract right now. and if Dwade doesn't come back you can pencil them in to have the most lottery balls in the 2011 draft....