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mr. bam
07-01-2010, 12:53 AM
Go.

Mr. Baller
07-01-2010, 08:05 AM
Cain.

todu82
07-01-2010, 02:03 PM
Matt Cain

Pinstripe pride
07-01-2010, 02:28 PM
Matt Cain easily

Bryrob58
07-01-2010, 02:39 PM
I think their pretty even, both are legit aces. I think Weaver takes this one because he goes just as deep into games as Cain, has better control, and gets more k's. Cain is great though, would have 10 wins on hitting team right now. In a playoff game I would take Weaver, if I was building a franchise I would take the younger Cain. Weaver got my vote.

Burkey3472
07-01-2010, 07:23 PM
I'll give the edge to Cain.

Shadee
07-02-2010, 01:37 PM
This is closer than people think but I like Cain more even though Weaver pitches in AL.

giants73756
07-02-2010, 02:07 PM
Look at career numbers, not just this year. It's not close.

CAIN=FUTURE
07-02-2010, 02:24 PM
I think their pretty even, both are legit aces. I think Weaver takes this one because he goes just as deep into games as Cain, has better control, and gets more k's. Cain is great though, would have 10 wins on hitting team right now. In a playoff game I would take Weaver, if I was building a franchise I would take the younger Cain. Weaver got my vote.

Bro-mo-sabi, Cain has 3 complete games this year...

bosox3431
07-02-2010, 07:47 PM
I think their pretty even, both are legit aces. I think Weaver takes this one because he goes just as deep into games as Cain, has better control, and gets more k's. Cain is great though, would have 10 wins on hitting team right now. In a playoff game I would take Weaver, if I was building a franchise I would take the younger Cain. Weaver got my vote.

Cain averages 6.39 inn per start for his career, Weaver averages 6.14. For this season the difference is even larger. Cain also has 4 season of 190 inn+, Weaver has 1, barring injury this year Cain will have 5 and Weaver 2 at their current paces.

Right not Weaver has better career FIP, xFIP, tRA+(I cant find career tra+ but Weaver has been better every year or close to every year), and since 07 Weaver has been worth more in terms of WAR. Cain has a better career tRA(same as tRA+) and tERA.

Weavers K and BB rates are also better.

This year I'd probally take Weaver, going forward though, Cain. Weaver isnt likely going to sustain his success this year. His K/9 has increased dramatically, averaging about 2.5 more K/9 this year then his career while dropping almost .5 BB/9 also. Cains K/9 is down, but so is his BB/9, which he has improved a lot from earlier in his career.

sacgiants1213
07-02-2010, 07:49 PM
I'd rather have Weaver. Cain doesn't know how to win games.

Ragun
07-03-2010, 01:22 AM
probably weaver but its very close.

Gigantes4Life
07-03-2010, 10:22 PM
Cain averages 6.39 inn per start for his career, Weaver averages 6.14. For this season the difference is even larger. Cain also has 4 season of 190 inn+, Weaver has 1, barring injury this year Cain will have 5 and Weaver 2 at their current paces.

Right not Weaver has better career FIP, xFIP, tRA+(I cant find career tra+ but Weaver has been better every year or close to every year), and since 07 Weaver has been worth more in terms of WAR. Cain has a better career tRA(same as tRA+) and tERA.

Weavers K and BB rates are also better.

This year I'd probally take Weaver, going forward though, Cain. Weaver isnt likely going to sustain his success this year. His K/9 has increased dramatically, averaging about 2.5 more K/9 this year then his career while dropping almost .5 BB/9 also. Cains K/9 is down, but so is his BB/9, which he has improved a lot from earlier in his career.

Using FIP and xFIP just doesn't tell the story with Cain, he's consistently outperformed xFIP significantly so there's something else going on with Cain that makes him special.

I don't like ERA, but when he's had a career ERA around 3.46 and an xFIP of 4.51, he's gotta be better than those statistics imply.

bosox3431
07-03-2010, 11:08 PM
Using FIP and xFIP just doesn't tell the story with Cain, he's consistently outperformed xFIP significantly so there's something else going on with Cain that makes him special.

I don't like ERA, but when he's had a career ERA around 3.46 and an xFIP of 4.51, he's gotta be better than those statistics imply.

The last two seasons that his FIP and ERA have been that far off. His FIP is high because of high BB rates and low K rates. I noticed his LOB% has also been above league average the last twe years, alot more in 09 then this year. And the last two year he dropped his BABIP dramatically, from .304 in 08, to .268 in 09 and .262 this year. To me this says he's gotten better at getting out of jams and the defense has gotten better. Im not an expert, but thats just what I gather.

d79cheese
07-04-2010, 01:47 AM
I think their pretty even, both are legit aces. I think Weaver takes this one because he goes just as deep into games as Cain, has better control, and gets more k's. Cain is great though, would have 10 wins on hitting team right now. In a playoff game I would take Weaver, if I was building a franchise I would take the younger Cain. Weaver got my vote.

i would say in general AL pitchers go deeper into games then NL pitchers because they don't have to hit.

lotti51
07-14-2010, 04:31 PM
Matt Cain, any day of the week.

BranWings
07-20-2010, 10:55 AM
Matt Cain hands down.

yankeefan54
07-24-2010, 09:42 PM
Cain or weaver would both look good behind cc sabathia in our rotation

DieHardColtsfan
07-28-2010, 11:29 PM
I voted Weaver. I love Cain- he hit an inconsistency spell of that.