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Swashcuff
06-30-2010, 03:27 PM
Looking forward what Franchise do you guys think is in the worst position?

beasted86
06-30-2010, 03:28 PM
Excluding free agency cap space teams..... Detroit Pistons

MFFL==FML
06-30-2010, 03:28 PM
New York Knicks if they do not get any decent players. Detroit Pistons if the NYK do get some decent players.

AllTimeBest
06-30-2010, 03:29 PM
Yeah Piston's don't have much hope looking forward. I'm going to say the Hawks also. Without Joe Johnson, this team doesn't have much.

Young2Kinsler
06-30-2010, 03:29 PM
Knicks and Nets

NYMetros
06-30-2010, 03:29 PM
The Clippers will find a way to screw up.

DerekRE_3
06-30-2010, 03:30 PM
On paper the Pistons, some awful contracts on that team.

Sixerlover
06-30-2010, 03:30 PM
Detroit is in a pretty rough situation. I fear Toronto's situation as well once Bosh leaves.

North Yorker
06-30-2010, 03:30 PM
Yeah Piston's don't have much hope looking forward. I'm going to say the Hawks also. Without Joe Johnson, this team doesn't have much.

disagree about the hawks. still have crawford,marvin williams, josh smith and al horford.

Could be cleveland or detroit, along with any team that strikes out in FA

B2theRY
06-30-2010, 03:31 PM
Cleveland if LBJ iS G-O-N-E!!!

ManRam
06-30-2010, 03:37 PM
Detroit and Cleveland if LeBron goes. Indiana is doing really poorly right now too, as will Toronto. Atlanta isn't in a great position either. They don't have much room to grow. I think either NY or NJ is going to miss out big time this off-season, but they both have some young talent, and will have money to spend regardless of who they do or do not get.

AWC713
06-30-2010, 03:41 PM
Cleveland if LBJ iS G-O-N-E!!!

yeah, gotta agree here,

if lebron leaves, there team is pretty bad, especially with them trying to trade mo.

what54!?
06-30-2010, 03:43 PM
If the knicks don't get the people their hoping for them.


as of right now the pistions. There stuck with some bad contracts (some of them can be moved though)

EaglesJackson10
06-30-2010, 03:51 PM
The Pistons instead of saving their cap space for this summer they spent it on Gordon and Villanueva.

S-Dot
06-30-2010, 03:52 PM
1. Knicks if we don't have Plan A or B work out for us
2. Detroit Pistons
3. Grizzlies if they happen to lose Rudy Gay.

spreadeagle
06-30-2010, 03:53 PM
The Clippers will find a way to screw up.

CALL ME CRAZY Clippers make playoff next year..Sig bet anyone? lol

mikantsass
06-30-2010, 03:53 PM
Pacers

h2r09
06-30-2010, 03:55 PM
The knicks thought they could get anybody based off the city even without any good players while being the joke of the league in a system that doesnt win championships. They are going to give 2 guys max deals and they will be middle of the pack for a few years and then be saddled with terrible contracts for the next 6 years.

Also, this is what happens when you trade away top 10 picks in season, you just cant do that in the nba and expect to attract free agents based solely off of your city.

JNA17
06-30-2010, 03:56 PM
knicks if they don't sign anybody good this year. They don't have first round picks for the next 2 or 3 years!

LeBroom
06-30-2010, 03:58 PM
The knicks thought they could get anybody based off the city even without any good players while being the joke of the league in a system that doesnt win championships. They are going to give 2 guys max deals and they will be middle of the pack for a few years and then be saddled with terrible contracts for the next 6 years.

Also, this is what happens when you trade away top 10 picks in season, you just cant do that in the nba and expect to attract free agents based solely off of your city.

Oh really? Okay. Nice ideas you have there. :clap: Here's a cookie for you. :)

gbpackers12
06-30-2010, 03:59 PM
:sigh:

xabial
06-30-2010, 03:59 PM
Knicks gave Houston the right to swap 2011 1st round picks.(Top 1 protected)
Knicks also gave up their 2012 1st round pick to Houston. (Top 5 Protected)

Knicks gave up 2009 8th round pick Jordan Hill. All to unload Jared Jeffries 6M off the books next year.

29$JerZ
06-30-2010, 04:00 PM
It's the Pistons, they are hand tied to some awful contracts.
New York, New Jersey, Miami at least have CAP to work with, Detroit though is pretty much screwed for a while.

29$JerZ
06-30-2010, 04:02 PM
knicks if they don't sign anybody good this year. They don't have first round picks for the next 2 or 3 years!

We have one next season....
2012 is protected so if NY fails now expect tanking.

1st round picks can always be bought, it's not a necessity.

Shadee
06-30-2010, 04:06 PM
Cavs no lebron no good team

DE9394
06-30-2010, 04:08 PM
ganna have alot of critisim against this but Boston, ray allen is a free agent and will most likely be leaving, paul pierce just opted out of his contract (but he will propbably come back, just wants more money) rasheed is done and perkins is out untill december or january. they might start next year of with this: rondo, nate, tony allen, kg and big baby lol. kg is old and will probably be done in 5 years max. ray allen most likely wont come back but if he does hes also upppp there in age, along with pierce. there only thing to look forward to is rondo and when ever perkins comes back.

LTBaByyy
06-30-2010, 04:09 PM
Def Cleaveland IF lebron leaves

I hope they will get the #1 pick and choose another guy from Akron lol
and make him wear number 6

Kakaroach
06-30-2010, 04:09 PM
I think it is the Pistons. Have some really bad contracts and no real franchise player as of right now except for maybe Greg Monroe, and he hasn't even played an NBA minute yet.

And yes the Cavs as well if LeBron does decide to leave.

Slimsim
06-30-2010, 04:10 PM
who ever sign AL Harrington.

BayHuStLE
06-30-2010, 04:11 PM
The warriors, contracts like ellis, biendrins, Gadzuric, Vlad Rad, are all over 6.5 mil a year

theres no doubt that this team is up for trade other than curry, they play like crap and don nelson isnt helping the situation, the only way anything can happen is if larry ellison buys them...

numba1CHANGsta
06-30-2010, 04:11 PM
Raptors, that team has no hope whatsoever

dtmagnet
06-30-2010, 04:19 PM
I'm not going to say we will be the worst, but Toronto will stink something fierce without Bosh.

cmellofan15
06-30-2010, 04:19 PM
Pistons and possibly the Cavs

FarOutIos
06-30-2010, 04:21 PM
I would have to say the Cavs as well. Not much to their team when/if Lebron leaves. Plus, they have some big contracts which will keep them from signing a good player. Not too many draft picks lately either.

A sleeper pick for bad position is the Celtics. Other than Rondo, who has a $10 million sarary, they have aging stars. Two of which could be gone. That leaves Garnet and his $20 million salary. And their best pick in the draft was a PG...?

And my sleeper for better than expected over time is Toronto. Although it seems as if they are in a horrible position, with Bosh leaving. If they don't get anything in return, they will be hurting for a couple of years. They have a few bad contracts and could easily be worst of the bunch. I see them as a bottom 8 team over the next couple of years.

That could end up helping them, as they have some young players who need playing time to develop. Add a couple of top 10 draft picks, and they will have a really good team in 3-5 years. I think Belinelli and DeRozan will be good players. Alabi is also a long term solid center.

christexaport
06-30-2010, 04:23 PM
the warriors, contracts like ellis, biendrins, gadzuric, vlad rad, are all over 6.5 mil a year

theres no doubt that this team is up for trade other than curry, they play like crap and don nelson isnt helping the situation, the only way anything can happen is if larry ellison buys them...

+1

Raoul Duke
06-30-2010, 04:23 PM
I'd say Detroit, but our attendance is still top ten despite all our troubles. Teams like Minny and Indiana that have sucked for much longer and aren't pulling in the same kind of money are worse off.

The Raven
06-30-2010, 04:23 PM
Cavs. If Lebron leaves, that team has no hope of winning for awhile.

fadedmario
06-30-2010, 04:29 PM
Raptors

Madness23
06-30-2010, 04:29 PM
i'm a raptors fan and i'm happy bosh is leaving, people see his stats and see to forget other things, i don't want to talk about all this but his ego is so big that he will mess it up anywhere he goes just to prove he is the man!!!


man i feel sorry for knicks fans if nothing big comes to town, all the plan was based on lebron coming to the big stage but it seems that he has others plans for this thing !! its gonna be nuts tomorrow and for the next few days ! Lol

spreadeagle
06-30-2010, 04:36 PM
Raptors, that team has no hope whatsoever
Well we didnt do anything with Bosh..We develope young players add some pieces are boy Bargnani steps up,maybe we are the Bucks of 2011 lol

uws
06-30-2010, 04:36 PM
whoever loses of the bulls/heat/knicks is in trouble because they would have to fill their rosters somehow, and it could get ugly.

pistons, toronto, pacers, cavs all earn honorable mention

td0tsfinest
06-30-2010, 04:40 PM
Pistons seem to be in trouble. Indiana, Toronto and Minny could all have bad 2011 seasons, as well.

kurivaimu
06-30-2010, 04:40 PM
Kings
without Tyreke they got squat.

Young2Kinsler
06-30-2010, 04:42 PM
The warriors, contracts like ellis, biendrins, Gadzuric, Vlad Rad, are all over 6.5 mil a year

theres no doubt that this team is up for trade other than curry, they play like crap and don nelson isnt helping the situation, the only way anything can happen is if larry ellison buys them...

Ellis and Biendrins for Dampier, Stevenson, Butler, and a future 1st? :)

A guy can dream...

ldc62
06-30-2010, 04:45 PM
Obviously Cavs if Lebron leaves... they don't have many young pieces

Mavrix
06-30-2010, 04:47 PM
New Orleans Hornets, especially if they lose CP3

Mavrix
06-30-2010, 04:48 PM
Totally forgot the Pacers.

Boston-Born
06-30-2010, 04:53 PM
Raptors for a while and Celtics in 1-2 years

tbone2171
06-30-2010, 04:54 PM
Pistons seem to be in trouble. Indiana, Toronto and Minny could all have bad 2011 seasons, as well.

How so?

jkiddvc20
06-30-2010, 05:00 PM
Knicks and Nets

Nets still have Lopez, Harris, Favors, Williams, and a bunch of other young players...

Russell_Roberts
06-30-2010, 05:00 PM
Clippers

Jetsguy
06-30-2010, 05:01 PM
I dont see how any team with 20-30 million in avaialble space can be called a franchise in a bad situation.

Can someone please enlighten me?

Even if the knicks and Nets of the world dont land a top 3 or 4 player that does not kill the franchise. They will be right there next year when the next class is available. The only way this can be true is if they sign players to bad contracts this off season. Until then they are in great shape in my opinion.

Ask the Pistons and Bobcats of the world what they would rather have average players with no cap or average players with 30 million to spend.

Those are the teams we should be mentioning here (just as an example) IMO of coarse:)

DerekRE_3
06-30-2010, 05:03 PM
Kings
without Tyreke they got squat.

Carl Landry
Jason Thompson
Demarcus Cousins
Sam Dalembert
Omri Casspi
Donte Greene
Hassan Whiteside
15.7 mil in cap

Jetsguy
06-30-2010, 05:03 PM
Nets still have Lopez, Harris, Favors, Williams, and a bunch of other young players...

add to that almost 30M in cap space and I would say the Nets have one of the brightest futures ahead of any NBA team and I am not a Nets fan!!!

No way are they in the worst position

FrenchSunsFan
06-30-2010, 05:06 PM
NY Knicks , the worst position with super coach D Antoni :hide:

dolfan720
06-30-2010, 05:09 PM
if the heat dont get anyone in the offseason it could it ugly, but ima say the Warriors

PrettyBoyJ
06-30-2010, 05:11 PM
Cavs (If LBJ Leaves) Pistons, Raptors, Pacers, T-Wolves

SNYmets86
06-30-2010, 05:30 PM
i'm a raptors fan and i'm happy bosh is leaving, people see his stats and see to forget other things, i don't want to talk about all this but his ego is so big that he will mess it up anywhere he goes just to prove he is the man!!!


man i feel sorry for knicks fans if nothing big comes to town, all the plan was based on lebron coming to the big stage but it seems that he has others plans for this thing !! its gonna be nuts tomorrow and for the next few days ! Lol

since donnie walsh came in the PLAN was 2 eliminate bad contracts... nothing was said about lebron .... the media hyped that up

pistonsfanomg
06-30-2010, 05:39 PM
:facepalm: Pistons in the worst position?

We had injuries all year

Ben Gordon
Richard Hamilton
Tayshaun Prince
Charlie Villanueva
Ben Wallace
Chris Wilcox
Rodney Stuckey

and more was all injuries this year

gordon hamilton prince and villanueva was basically out all year :facepalm:

pistonsfanomg
06-30-2010, 05:41 PM
oh ya in addition teams have been calling all in the season for hamilton and the others with those lengthy contracts.

They offered expiring and Joe Dumars said no lmao

But yeah several teams will be shut out in free agency and Joe Dumars said his telephones will be ringing

knickjames23
06-30-2010, 05:51 PM
man pistons do have some bad contracts but that team would of made the playoffs if they didnt get injured .. rip , prince , stuckey missed many games and some of their bench players

pistonsfanomg
06-30-2010, 05:54 PM
man pistons do have some bad contracts but that team would of made the playoffs if they didnt get injured .. rip , prince , stuckey missed many games and some of their bench players

agreed :clap:

SeoulBeatz
06-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Gotta be the pistons.

Nice pieces in Stuckey, Jerekbo, and Monroe though.

drama1386
06-30-2010, 06:10 PM
i think the pacers are in the worst position right now...

97NYer
06-30-2010, 06:11 PM
Toronto/Pistons

nolafan33
06-30-2010, 06:18 PM
New Orleans Hornets, especially if they lose CP3

What??? :confused:

We aren't in the greatest position, but there are so many worse teams out there.

1. We won't lose CP anytime soon.
2. If we did, we'd still have the great combo of Collison and Thornton.
3. All signs point towards the Hornets drafting two underrated players this year in Brackins and Pondexter.
4. We have alot of contracts coming off the books soon which will leave us with good cap space. It's been reported if the Hornets could get rid of one more mid contract we'd have enough room to offer a max deal.

ManningToTyree
06-30-2010, 06:22 PM
lebron leaves its cleveland. If not then its whatever team comes up empty in the FA market

Madness23
06-30-2010, 06:29 PM
to be in the worst position you have to posses no present and no future !! i don't give a damn about bosh, check the raptors' roster, ok its not great but they are still young !! i admit 2 BAD contracts, calderon & hedo, i think that they could be moved, somehow !! but to call them in the worst position is a bit going over the board/

RenegadeRiot36
06-30-2010, 06:33 PM
the cavs are loaded with bad contracts to the brimm, leaving no cap space even without lebron (i think). they will be royally screwed if he leaves at least until the draft works its magic in time

LA_Raiders
06-30-2010, 08:52 PM
NY if they cant land LeBroom, Amare, JJ, wade or Bosh

And it looks like they are going to end up ****ed...

JJ - Alt
Wade/Bosh - Mia
Amare - Pho
LeBroom - NJ
Booz - Chi

topdog
06-30-2010, 09:06 PM
Cleveland if LBJ iS G-O-N-E!!!

No doubt. That team was built around him and (inexplicably) locked in for several more years.

There are some close seconds for sure though.

KaganRS
06-30-2010, 09:15 PM
The Pistons , hate to say it.

PHX2daDEATH
06-30-2010, 09:15 PM
1. New York Knicks- They lose no matter what if they dont sign Lebron. Amare+JJ+D'Antoni - Nash = 6-8 seed.


The Pistons actually have a good squad.. But If I were them I'd be trading Rip and Prince..those two deserve to be on winning teams, not on a rebuilding project. The only way they can get rid of Charlie and Ben's contracts is if they trade Stuckey.. which they won't do so they are stuck with those guys. I think Tony Parker would be perfect for Detroit..would just hate seeing Prince or Rip wearing Black and Silver..

VinceCarter
06-30-2010, 09:21 PM
Knicks and Nets

In no way shape or form are the Nets in the worst position if anything they are in the top 5 teams with the brightest future.

Allstar21
06-30-2010, 09:23 PM
the Seattle supersonics

they don't exist anymore

however wat a good situation OKC is in

For real tho -
Timberwolves....crappy GM, crappy players, Rubio won't come to America to play for them...high draft pick and get a bench player in Wes....Flynn won't ever make an allstar team...Jefferson is checked out...only player that anyone would want on this team is Kevin Love

KaganRS
06-30-2010, 09:25 PM
Carl Landry
Jason Thompson
Demarcus Cousins
Sam Dalembert
Omri Casspi
Donte Greene
Hassan Whiteside
15.7 mil in cap

your gm made joe dumars cry on draft day.

that's some awesome upside.

50+ Wins soon.

JMDTM
06-30-2010, 09:30 PM
detroit is in a bad spot, but if they unload Rip and Tay, theyll be fine.

CV isnt my fav. player on the planet either but he could do well in a bench roll.

plus they have nice pieces in Jerebko, Stuckey, Monroe, Daye, and Ben Gordon.

magichatnumber9
06-30-2010, 09:32 PM
Nobody says Boston. I'm surprised. they are the neo Pistons. Soundtrack to this apocalypse "It's so hard to say goodbye" Boys2Men

Allstar21
06-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Nobody says Boston. I'm surprised. they are the neo Pistons. Soundtrack to this apocalypse "It's so hard to say goodbye" Boys2Men

Boston has Rondo...therefore not in worst position

VinceCarter
06-30-2010, 09:34 PM
Nobody says Boston. I'm surprised. they are the neo Pistons. Soundtrack to this apocalypse "It's so hard to say goodbye" Boys2Men

haha probably because they will probably retain Ray or Paul.....but if both leave then I'd say the Celtics are a consideration.

E.O.21
06-30-2010, 09:35 PM
The Pacers obviously. Who else do they have other than Granger????

IDB Josh M
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Lakers, nowhere else to go but down.

VinceCarter
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Boston has Rondo...therefore not in worst position

sarcasm right?

Rondo isn't worth half what he is now if he doesn't have players to pass to. His prime quality is being a pass first pg. Unless he learns a jump shot he cannot carry a team with nobody on it.

yanks 4lif3
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
t-wolves

MagicBucsSox
06-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Knicks, waited 3yrs to go at LeBron and the first FA theyre meeting with is MIKE FRIGGIN MILLER . fail

BaustinSali08
06-30-2010, 09:39 PM
The Pacers did improve themselves with a good draft.....however we went from like a -5 to a -3.

Gators123
06-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Pistons aren't in great shape, but I don't think they are the worst. Stuckey, Jerebko, Monroe and Ben Gordon are good pieces. They should have a new owner sometime this summer and hopefully they can figure out something.

Catfish1314
06-30-2010, 09:42 PM
If they lose LeBron, the Cavaliers. Without LeBron nothing works. If he leaves, all they have is a jumbled mess of 2nd and 3rd tier role players, none of whom can lead a team. Worst of all, they have essentially no young talent to compensate. LeBron is Cleveland.

DaVille
06-30-2010, 09:43 PM
Boston has Rondo...therefore not in worst position

If there was no Rondo. Ainge would've dismantled faster than 1,2,3. With Rondo on this team, he can delay the inevitable. And hope Rondo takes another leap next season. I think he has it in him. His game can improve a lot.

I kinda feel bad for Rondo. Dude could've made tons if he declined the offer. Ainge got his signature while his value wasn't as high. It looks like a bargain now.

yuoke
06-30-2010, 09:51 PM
Golden State, Detroit, Indiana.

nuggetsyankees
06-30-2010, 09:53 PM
Mavs if Nowitzki leaves

vasjr
06-30-2010, 09:53 PM
Cleveland Cavs, easily

Hawkeye15
06-30-2010, 09:58 PM
Pistons and Cavs if LJ leaves. Toronto too

iam brett favre
06-30-2010, 09:59 PM
The Clippers will find a way to screw up.

lebron to the clippers...guarantee it

dodie53
06-30-2010, 10:59 PM
suns

_KB24_
06-30-2010, 11:06 PM
Detroit and Toronto both have some young talent they can develop but at the same time they have some horrible contracts. The Cavs have absolutely no talent to groom and horrible contracts all around. Cleveland is in for one big nightmare these next few years.

Swashcuff
06-30-2010, 11:09 PM
Detroit and Toronto both have some young talent they can develop but at the same time they have some horrible contracts. The Cavs have absolutely no talent to groom and horrible contracts all around. Cleveland is in for one big nightmare these next few years.

are you crazy they got JJ "the next great bigman" Hickson he's going to avg 25, 12 and 4 blocks for them next year. Book it. ;)

blah-blah
06-30-2010, 11:14 PM
pistons,indiana,cavs, toronto kinda

uknowmyname
06-30-2010, 11:18 PM
Let's wait 2 weeks and you can find out.

Swashcuff
07-01-2010, 12:13 AM
Mavs if Nowitzki leaves

well thats not going to happen

redzone11
07-01-2010, 12:22 AM
I fear the Nets could really **** themselves up, with Prokhorov in win-now mode. If the Nets strike out in FA, which they probably will, they are in a REALLY good situation to build through the draft. Harris/Lee/TWill/Favors/Lopez. You add a SG or SF next year in the lottery, probably top 5, and still have boatloads of cap space, they would be the next OKC Thunder.

Or... they could over pay Gay or JJ, and end up stuck in mediocracy and no cap space for years to come.

But definitely Detriot, Toronto, and Atlanta are in the top 5.

_KB24_
07-01-2010, 02:52 AM
are you crazy they got JJ "the next great bigman" Hickson he's going to avg 25, 12 and 4 blocks for them next year. Book it. ;)

And to think that the Suns were considering trading Amare for Hickson seems silly now. The Cavs should be banging their heads against the wall for that move :)

bredsox33
07-01-2010, 02:57 AM
I would say the Pistons. They're stuck with 3 terrible contracts in Gordon, Rip, and Charlie V for the next 3-5 years and don't have many young assets. They're gonna have a really tough time rebuilding unless they get lucky in the lottery one year.

Teams like the Timberwolves and Pacers at least have multiple good young players and cap room to work with.

Even if the Knicks strike out this summer they'll still have a bunch of cap room to sign lesser players or go after someone next summer. They'd at least have options unlike the Pistons.

machphantom
07-01-2010, 07:02 AM
I don't understand all the Knicks hate in here, though I admit my bias as a Knicks fan... I think Donnie understands that if they fail here, they still have the FA class of 2012, which is by no means weak, and if that doesn't work, then they can plummet to the cellar and get a solid pick. It's been a decade of horrible torture, but I think the Knickerbockers have weathered the worst of the storm for sure.