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camador22
06-29-2010, 07:09 PM
Miami -140
Chicago- even

Chicago yesterday was a -300 :speechless:

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 07:10 PM
no link......... close

camador22
06-29-2010, 07:14 PM
http://www.sportsbook.com/livesports/indexmember.php?sportsname=basketball

cmellofan15
06-29-2010, 07:14 PM
Bulls
even

Cavaliers
+350

Clippers
+2000

Heat
-140

Knicks
+1000

Nets
+1000

Wade_County
06-29-2010, 07:19 PM
Vegas and sportsbook do things like this to get people to think theyre making a good bet, but in reality it isnt. Its just like seeing the lakers -1 vs the grizzles have the lakers come of back to back to back road games. If you didnt know youd be like "laker -1 ill bet the house"......just my opinion based on experience.

dnewguy
06-29-2010, 07:21 PM
Do you realize that most analysts are paid to claim a "reputable" but personal source gave them the story........it's always "my sources", they would have to strt telling us their sources if they want to be taken seriously.

cmellofan15
06-29-2010, 07:22 PM
no link......... close

typical Bulls fan, wants nothing to do with LeBron going somewhere out of Chicago.

steveshane67
06-29-2010, 07:22 PM
no link......... close

get off your f'n high horse.

vegas odds are so easy to verify. in the time it spent you to be an internet douche and write that post, you could have googled the odds yourself.

Badluck33
06-29-2010, 07:23 PM
also the line is based on how people are gambling. If enough people put money on the bobcats to land LBJ that could easily change the line to -500.

Maybe yesterday there was a lot of action on Miami to land there.

Wade_County
06-29-2010, 07:23 PM
no link......... close

:facepalm:LMFAO:facepalm:

jackdawson
06-29-2010, 07:24 PM
typical Bulls fan, wants nothing to do with LeBron going somewhere out of Chicago.

So true! God I am tired of them!

jackdawson
06-29-2010, 07:26 PM
also the line is based on how people are gambling. If enough people put money on the bobcats to land LBJ that could easily change the line to -500.

Maybe yesterday there was a lot of action on Miami to land there.

Funny how it was right yesterday by you bulls fans when the bulls were -350 and Heat was +200...Now it's not:facepalm:

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 07:28 PM
I love how it's like the trendy thing to just say Bulls fans are stupid and everything. It's brought up when the Bulls aren't even the subject of threads. You people are becoming exactly like what you supposedly hate. Too bad Bulls fans greatly outnumber fans of every other team on this site, so we're not going anywhere. :D

camador22
06-29-2010, 07:30 PM
no link......... close

:facepalm: too funny

nikeking711
06-29-2010, 07:33 PM
:dance:

jackdawson
06-29-2010, 07:37 PM
If it really happens then there will be a lot of sig changes in minutes of announcement among a fanbase most of who have Lebron as their avatar as well as sig . Would be fun to watch all taken off in an hour.

camador22
06-29-2010, 07:37 PM
To me the biggest surprise is the Knicks (-1000). Apparently no one thinks Lebron has a shot to go there.

shizzle09
06-29-2010, 07:38 PM
Vegas and sportsbook do things like this to get people to think theyre making a good bet, but in reality it isnt. Its just like seeing the lakers -1 vs the grizzles have the lakers come of back to back to back road games. If you didnt know youd be like "laker -1 ill bet the house"......just my opinion based on experience.

they adjust the line according to how they really think it will play out. If they left it at 10-1 like it was 3 days ago when they actually think he may sign with the Heat they would get killed. You're crazy if you think the futures line is based purely on the action taken. Hilarious. They get info they think is credible they adjust the lines accodringly. This is the same reason other gambling sites have taken this off the board as they are afraid they will get killed. I do think every line is a bit tilted as you say but the drop from 10-1 to 3-1 to -120 is clearly substantial

Ollie Tabooger
06-29-2010, 07:38 PM
man I'm just gonna rub it in D Roses Bulls face when the Bulls don't get Lebron. All Bulls fans for that matter.

JNA17
06-29-2010, 07:40 PM
what does this mean exactly?

defender4m
06-29-2010, 07:40 PM
I love how all the bull fans try to push it aside. but when the bulls are favorites then they cant post a thread like this fast enough

jackdawson
06-29-2010, 07:40 PM
To me the biggest surprise is the Knicks (-1000). Apparently no one thinks Lebron has a shot to go there.

what??? Knicks are +1000. I have just checked it out.

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 07:41 PM
:facepalm:LMFAO:facepalm:


Bosh apparently told the Miami Herald this weekend that Lebron, Wade, and himself joining the Heat is likely not going to happen.

``I don't see it happening,'' Bosh told us this past weekend of the idea of the three playing together on the Heat.

``I don't even know how it would work. It sounds pie in the sky. Riley is known as a guy who is like a mastermind-type genius. He's probably having a vision one day. But who knows? I don't see it

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/29/1707168/heats-pat-riley-must-convince.html#ixzz0sHi9lCAM

these odds will change tomorrow :) :) :)

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 07:42 PM
typical Bulls fan, wants nothing to do with LeBron going somewhere out of Chicago.

yes lebron please go to miami.......... what do you expect?

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 07:44 PM
get off your f'n high horse.

vegas odds are so easy to verify. in the time it spent you to be an internet douche and write that post, you could have googled the odds yourself.

your suppose to provide a link no matter how easy something is. its the rule of posting a cited article on this website and i dont feel like gettin off my high horse

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 07:45 PM
I love how all the bull fans try to push it aside. but when the bulls are favorites then they cant post a thread like this fast enough
We're not all like that. You guys just make generalizations and assumptions about Bulls fans.

Sergio1984
06-29-2010, 07:48 PM
There will be tons of bans handed out since most of you guys are admitting that you will be *******s when these FA's start to sign.

jackdawson
06-29-2010, 07:49 PM
We're not all like that. You guys just make generalizations and assumptions about Bulls fans.

:laugh2:

Only JB is the exception. He clearly separates himself from the entire bulls psd fanbase.

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 07:49 PM
what??? Knicks are +1000. I have just checked it out.
I think that's what he meant.

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 07:49 PM
I love how all the bull fans try to push it aside. but when the bulls are favorites then they cant post a thread like this fast enough

i posted the vegas odds for ealier that chicago was the favorite and it got hated on so bad by heat fans that it got moved to the lebron thread, if that got moved, this should get moved. dont dish what you cant take

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 07:50 PM
:laugh2:

Only JB is the exception. He clearly separates himself from the entire bulls psd fanbase.
Sure.

Wade_County
06-29-2010, 07:50 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/29/1707168/heats-pat-riley-must-convince.html#ixzz0sHi9lCAM

these odds will change tomorrow :) :) :)

again :facepalm:


you need to learn to read. I was referring to your no link close thread post. lol

Sly Guy
06-29-2010, 07:51 PM
typical Bulls fan, wants nothing to do with LeBron going somewhere out of Chicago.

either that or derrick rose must be in the thread title.

Badluck33
06-29-2010, 07:52 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/29/1707168/heats-pat-riley-must-convince.html#ixzz0sHi9lCAM

these odds will change tomorrow :) :) :)

I think you cited a source correctly. We should open up a class in the Heat Forum with you as an instructor.


Bosh apparently told the Miami Herald this weekend that Lebron, Wade, and himself joining the Heat is likely not going to happen.

``I don't see it happening,'' Bosh told us this past weekend of the idea of the three playing together on the Heat.

``I don't even know how it would work. It sounds pie in the sky. Riley is known as a guy who is like a mastermind-type genius. He's probably having a vision one day. But who knows? I don't see it

yeah,.........so........... anyone from miami still going to vegas?

Bearsfan54
06-29-2010, 07:55 PM
:dance:


Lol have any of you heat fans read the miami herald where bosh was interviewed saying that it is highly unlikely that bosh Wade n lebron team up in Miami he says he doesn't see it happening so....


:dance::dance::dance::dance:
To that baby

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 07:58 PM
again :facepalm:


you need to learn to read. I was referring to your no link close thread post. lol

i know, but i still put that link up there. calm down........ take it easy. stop gettin so "heated" lol

HesterTrain
06-29-2010, 07:59 PM
I rarely comment on this whole fiasco because of the backlashes from each teams fan base. The point is, no one knows where they will all end up = FACT. Why is it not okay for Bulls fans to get excited about landing LBJ, but when an article states Miami will get him, it's perfectly okay for Heat fans to dance around and diss-Bulls fans? The top 3 article has been shown to be irrelevant with in the first 24 hours of it's posting. Which in turn is the exact same thing for every "rumor" "source" that has been posted.

After the players sign on the dotted line, then talk crap. If Bulls fans are homers and idiots for thinking we are getting James, then what will Heat fans be if they don't land James? The door swings both ways. I understand the arguments and all, but it's all speculation until a player signs. Just get over yourselves.

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 07:59 PM
I think you cited a source correctly. We should open up a class in the Heat Forum with you as an instructor.



yeah,.........so........... anyone from miami still going to vegas?

lol.......

myqntab
06-29-2010, 08:03 PM
I love how it's like the trendy thing to just say Bulls fans are stupid and everything. It's brought up when the Bulls aren't even the subject of threads. You people are becoming exactly like what you supposedly hate. Too bad Bulls fans greatly outnumber fans of every other team on this site, so we're not going anywhere. :D

FAIL.....


Lakers fans got ya beat there my friend

kntresistheheat
06-29-2010, 08:03 PM
Lol have any of you heat fans read the miami herald where bosh was interviewed saying that it is highly unlikely that bosh Wade n lebron team up in Miami he says he doesn't see it happening so....


:dance::dance::dance::dance:
To that baby

Of course he is going to say this, he needs to make sure they keep their options open. At least he knows he will be in Miami, but he doesn't know if lebron can pull of lebron to join the heat? Which means he has to get rid of beasley.... Which is really tuff to do.

bodupp311
06-29-2010, 08:03 PM
I rarely comment on this whole fiasco because of the backlashes from each teams fan base. The point is, no one knows where they will all end up = FACT. Why is it not okay for Bulls fans to get excited about landing LBJ, but when an article states Miami will get him, it's perfectly okay for Heat fans to dance around and diss-Bulls fans? The top 3 article has been shown to be irrelevant with in the first 24 hours of it's posting. Which in turn is the exact same thing for every "rumor" "source" that has been posted.

After the players sign on the dotted line, then talk crap. If Bulls fans are homers and idiots for thinking we are getting James, then what will Heat fans be if they don't land James? The door swings both ways. I understand the arguments and all, but it's all speculation until a player signs. Just get over yourselves.

co-sign

justinnum1
06-29-2010, 08:05 PM
get off your f'n high horse.

vegas odds are so easy to verify. in the time it spent you to be an internet douche and write that post, you could have googled the odds yourself.

:clap::clap: that was hilarious :clap: bravo :clap: bravo

tangent12
06-29-2010, 08:06 PM
LOL, betting nooblets.

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 08:06 PM
FAIL.....


Lakers fans got ya beat there my friend
How do you know? I'm not saying you're wrong, but the Bulls always have the most members in their forum when I check.

arkanian215
06-29-2010, 08:07 PM
I thought Chicago was -500 yesterday. Must've read it wrong. Anyway things will keep changing and folks will keep speculating. This should be interesting.

shizzle09
06-29-2010, 08:07 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/29/1707168/heats-pat-riley-must-convince.html#ixzz0sHi9lCAM

these odds will change tomorrow :) :) :)

did you actually read the article? For one we're in the "Miami Heat now favored to land lebron in vegas" thread and your posting an article about Bosh. The odds for Bosh to sign with the heat are equal with the Bulls. Maybe you should post this in the other thread where it relates to all 3 signing with the Heat. On the otherhand did you notice this little tidbit?


Bosh said Miami is in ``top contention'' for him and looked at houses in South Florida this past weekend

He clearly just doesnt understand how Riley will make it happen but once Riley is "allowed" to talk to him he will understand. just saying

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 08:08 PM
did you actually read the article? For one we're in the "Miami Heat now favored to land lebron in vegas" thread and your posting an article about Bosh. The odds for Bosh to sign with the heat are equal with the Bulls. Maybe you should post this in the other thread where it relates to all 3 signing with the Heat. On the otherhand did you notice this little tidbit?


Bosh said Miami is in ``top contention'' for him and looked at houses in South Florida this past weekend

did you not read the article? do you think lebron is going to go to the heat to play with just wade if bosh isnt going? NO!

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 08:10 PM
did you actually read the article? For one we're in the "Miami Heat now favored to land lebron in vegas" thread and your posting an article about Bosh. The odds for Bosh to sign with the heat are equal with the Bulls. Maybe you should post this in the other thread where it relates to all 3 signing with the Heat. On the otherhand did you notice this little tidbit?


Bosh said Miami is in ``top contention'' for him and looked at houses in South Florida this past weekend

He clearly just doesnt understand how Riley will make it happen but once Riley is "allowed" to talk to him he will understand. just saying
Yeah, but some people are saying they weren't even in Miami this weekend. And people were also saying LeBron was house hunting in Chicago a little while back.

justinnum1
06-29-2010, 08:12 PM
Like the bulls fans said yesterday...someone must know something

Champology
06-29-2010, 08:12 PM
Put down your playstation controllers No way does lebron sign with Miami...Its Chicago, its real basketball not fantasy basketball custom fit PG and Center hardest positions to fill in NBA...now go back to playstation

shizzle09
06-29-2010, 08:18 PM
did you not read the article? do you think lebron is going to go to the heat to play with just wade if bosh isnt going? NO!

ummm, did you see where it says James and Wade have talked to Boozer recently? Since when are James and Bosh a package deal? James, Boozer and Wade - James - Amare and Wade - James - Wade and any other top level FA is dirty. again your response clearly means you think they are a package deal which to me is a little mind boggling. I can easily see the Bulls land Bosh while James and some other FA landed in Mia. No matter what you think Bosh's comment does to the odds for Lebron it wont change much until Lebron himself says something since the odds are for Lebron to sign.

D Roses Bulls
06-29-2010, 08:19 PM
ummm, did you see where it says James and Wade have talked to Boozer recently? Since when are James and Bosh a package deal? James, Boozer and Wade - James - Amare and Wade - James - Wade and any other top level FA is dirty. again your response clearly means you think they are a package deal which to me is a little mind boggling. I can easily see the Bulls land Bosh while James and some other FA landed in Mia. No matter what you think Bosh's comment does to the odds for Lebron it wont change much until Lebron himself says something since the odds are for Lebron to sign.

oh wow, you heat fans are impossible, i shouldnt say all of you, some of you are pretty unbiased and cool

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 08:20 PM
I want to see how many non-Heat fans actually believe this is going to happen. I know I have seen a good amount saying they think LeBron will go to Chicago or stay in Cleveland, but I don't think I've seen any that seem confident the Heat can sign these 3.

shizzle09
06-29-2010, 08:22 PM
Yeah, but some people are saying they weren't even in Miami this weekend. And people were also saying LeBron was house hunting in Chicago a little while back.

Bosh was in Miami this weekend. Stein and Broussard both said their sources saw all 3 of them in Miami this weekend after Henry thomas said they werent. This tells me they are trying to avoid tampering since the story reported them discussing contracts etc. Stern said there wil be none of that. that said i still am 50/50 on who i think they will sign with. who knows at this point but one thing i've gotten from all these rumors is it seems to be between the Bulls and Heat to land all 3 of these guys. Who goes where out of the 3 remains to be seen

shizzle09
06-29-2010, 08:25 PM
oh wow, you heat fans are impossible, i shouldnt say all of you, some of you are pretty unbiased and cool

wtf are you talking about. where am i being biased. Not once have i ever said any of these guys are signing anywhere. relax son with the nonsense. I was clearly saying your assuming they are a package deal. sorry, didnt know you know everything. A bulls fan calling anyone out on being biased is simply hilarious

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 08:27 PM
Bosh was in Miami this weekend. Stein and Broussard both said their sources saw all 3 of them in Miami this weekend after Henry thomas said they werent. This tells me they are trying to avoid tampering since the story reported them discussing contracts etc. Stern said there wil be none of that. that said i still am 50/50 on who i think they will sign with. who knows at this point but one thing i've gotten from all these rumors is it seems to be between the Bulls and Heat to land all 3 of these guys. Who goes where out of the 3 remains to be seen
Yeah, I think it's also down to the Bulls and Heat. I feel like the Knicks will get screwed royally, and I'm still unsure about the Nets.

camador22
06-29-2010, 08:30 PM
I want to see how many non-Heat fans actually believe this is going to happen. I know I have seen a good amount saying they think LeBron will go to Chicago or stay in Cleveland, but I don't think I've seen any that seem confident the Heat can sign these 3.

Well in this thread it describes that the people who put their money where their mouth is believe Lebron is going to Miami. I personally believe it's a coin toss between Chicago and Miami.

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 08:32 PM
Well in this thread it describes that the people who put their money where their mouth is believe Lebron is going to Miami. I personally believe it's a coin toss between Chicago and Miami.
Me too. Maybe a slight edge to Chicago, but that's probably just my bias. I don't even know anymore.

tredigs
06-29-2010, 08:37 PM
Somewhere, Lebron, Bosh and Wade are sharing a Corona - with the Sportsbook betting lines open on their iPhones - just laughing at everyone run wild with false predictions. I know I would.

I still say Lebron becomes a Bull, but I just don't care anymore.

Canterbury
06-29-2010, 08:42 PM
A little part of me died. Have fun Heaters and do enjoy.

Ethix11
06-29-2010, 08:45 PM
Chicago can offer a Rose James Bosh Noah and depth scenario at best.
Miami can offer a Wade Johnson James Beasley and depth scenario at best.
Edge HEAT

Chives
06-29-2010, 08:46 PM
I really just don't see all three of these guys will end up in the same spot. I do think that Lebron James will go to Chicago or stay in Cleveland, with a very minimal chance of him signing with the Knicks (very minimal, but I wouldn't count them out with potentially getting Joe Johnson and Amar'e Stoudamire). I do however think the Chris Bosh is leaning towards Miami over Chicago.

29$JerZ
06-29-2010, 08:47 PM
Anyone else think this summer will drag on for like a month before decisions are made?

RIPSweetness34
06-29-2010, 08:50 PM
typical Bulls fan, wants nothing to do with LeBron going somewhere out of Chicago.

Apparantly neither does Bosh... Looks like you guys can quit creaming ur pants.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/29/1707168/heats-pat-riley-must-convince.html#ixzz0sHi9lCAM

Master Mind
06-29-2010, 08:52 PM
I think you cited a source correctly. We should open up a class in the Heat Forum with you as an instructor.



yeah,.........so........... anyone from miami still going to vegas?


Lol have any of you heat fans read the miami herald where bosh was interviewed saying that it is highly unlikely that bosh Wade n lebron team up in Miami he says he doesn't see it happening so....


:dance::dance::dance::dance:
To that baby

:punish

Of course he's gonna say that...Did you ever hear him say he's leaving Toronto? But we all know his bags are packed :eyebrow:

Draco
06-29-2010, 09:00 PM
what does this mean exactly?

It probably means that because of SAS' report, Vegas figures a lot of people will bet on the Heat and adjusted the odds accordingly. Same thing happened with the Bulls odds after the Hinrich to WAS became news. It's not that Vegas thinks the Heat will get Lebron, it's more about how many people they believe will bet on particular teams. Odds for this type of thing doesn't really interest me. There's no statistical analysis involved like there would be for odds on a game. However, SAS' report does interest me.

Floridag8tr
06-29-2010, 09:07 PM
3 reasons why Miami
-Weather
-TAXES
-A Champion in DWADE

NUFF SAID

No one has what Miami has ..... no brainer!!!!
Edit/Delete Message

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 09:14 PM
3 reasons why Miami
-Weather
-TAXES
-A Champion in DWADE

NUFF SAID

No one has what Miami has ..... no brainer!!!!
Edit/Delete Message
Wade will always have more rings though, they will need to fill out their roster with minimum contracts, and Miami fans are totally bandwagon and fair-weather fans imo.

Sergio1984
06-29-2010, 09:15 PM
3 reasons why Miami
-Weather
-TAXES
-A Champion in DWADE

NUFF SAID

No one has what Miami has ..... no brainer!!!!
Edit/Delete Message

Let me throw out random facts out there too. Reasons why Chicago
-deep dish pizza
-better all around team
-great sports history
-Jordan

Nuff said.

lavilevi23
06-29-2010, 09:20 PM
Let me throw out random facts out there too. Reasons why Chicago
-deep dish pizza
-better all around team
-great sports history
-Jordan

Nuff said.

yeah nuff said your city sucks

Sergio1984
06-29-2010, 09:24 PM
yeah nuff said your city sucks

Stay classy Israel.

gocubs2118
06-29-2010, 09:25 PM
Let me throw out random facts out there too. Reasons why Chicago
-deep dish pizza
-better all around team
-great sports history
-Jordan

Nuff said.

But Jordan's shadow is so big and scary!!

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 09:26 PM
yeah nuff said your city sucks
Yeah, it was only named best city to live in in the world in 2009 by AskMen. :rolleyes:

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 09:27 PM
Let me throw out random facts out there too. Reasons why Chicago
-deep dish pizza
-better all around team
-great sports history
-Jordan

Nuff said.
I just ordered some Giordano's. Nothing can bring me down right now.

Sergio1984
06-29-2010, 09:31 PM
But Jordan's shadow is so big and scary!!

I know, nobody will ever want to come to Chicago now, were screwed.


I just ordered some Giordano's. Nothing can bring me down right now.

Good call, I love me some Giordano's.

Canterbury
06-29-2010, 09:33 PM
Chicago can offer a Rose James Bosh Noah and depth scenario at best.
Miami can offer a Wade Johnson James Beasley and depth scenario at best.
Edge HEATLuol Deng nonexistent?


yeah nuff said your city sucksTake off your avatar when you say crap like that.

OG "Dee" LOCc
06-29-2010, 09:33 PM
Chicago Pizza is overrated I like NY pizza better


:p

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 09:37 PM
Chicago Pizza is overrated I like NY pizza better


:p
You're from NY. What a shock.

Sergio1984
06-29-2010, 09:37 PM
Chicago Pizza is overrated I like NY pizza better


:p

I've never had NY pizza, I'd probably eat it but I love some cheesy stuffed pizza.

gocubs2118
06-29-2010, 09:41 PM
Chicago Pizza is overrated I like NY pizza better


:p

If you can fold your pizza in half, it sucks.

Bearsfan54
06-29-2010, 09:49 PM
yeah nuff said your city sucks

our city sucks... hahahah u ever notice we have higher attendance in every sporting aspect than miami, whata joke... hahah :facepalm:

Cubsfan365
06-29-2010, 09:50 PM
If you can fold your pizza in half, it sucks.
And drink the grease off the top.

WhosisKid
06-29-2010, 10:25 PM
I live in Chicago, but New Haven has the best pizza, by far. Whenever I was down in NY, I was appalled at how awful the pizza was. Greasy!

On the other hand, Chicago deep dish pizza is pretty awful, unless you just love dough.

New Haven style pizza is the best, which is why most good pizza across the U.S. is New Haven style, while neither Chicago style nor NY style has got on.

RIPSweetness34
06-29-2010, 10:39 PM
they adjust the line according to how they really think it will play out. If they left it at 10-1 like it was 3 days ago when they actually think he may sign with the Heat they would get killed. You're crazy if you think the futures line is based purely on the action taken. Hilarious. They get info they think is credible they adjust the lines accodringly. This is the same reason other gambling sites have taken this off the board as they are afraid they will get killed. I do think every line is a bit tilted as you say but the drop from 10-1 to 3-1 to -120 is clearly substantial

Yup, and yesterday the Bulls were at -500, not really sure why you guys are so cocky about this. SAS is the only one to report it, and the Herald used him as it's source. Meanwhile there are like 6 other guys at ESPN who think Chi Town.

RIPSweetness34
06-29-2010, 10:39 PM
man I'm just gonna rub it in D Roses Bulls face when the Bulls don't get Lebron. All Bulls fans for that matter.

And when we do?

Ollie Tabooger
06-30-2010, 12:08 AM
And when we do?

go ahead and use that quote for your sig. I don't care, I actually think the Bulls will land Lebron. But for D Roses Bulls to keep being such a complete nuisance, it just sickens me.

footballer2369
06-30-2010, 01:10 AM
Let me throw out random facts out there too. Reasons why Chicago
-deep dish pizza
-better all around team
-great sports history
-Jordan

Nuff said.

Yeah bro, because deep dish pizza is a huuuuge draw over other specialty cuisines to professional athletes with no body fat...

When they think of a city, they think which city will give me the best opportunity to make myself worse at my job....

And better all-around team is debatable and IMO ridiculous...

Wade by himself last year was worth 7 more wins than Rose and Noah combined....overall that.

footballer2369
06-30-2010, 01:14 AM
our city sucks... hahahah u ever notice we have higher attendance in every sporting aspect than miami, whata joke... hahah :facepalm:

hablo ingles? sporting aspect? :eyebrow:

anyways, i've notice attendance has won the cubs a great many championships...How about football where the Dolphins outdrew the Bears by an average of over 5,000 fans per game last year? Is that not a "sporting aspect"???

lebron has repeatedly said he prefers attendance ratings over winning right?

Cool, bro, thanks for your contribution.

footballer2369
06-30-2010, 01:16 AM
Luol Deng nonexistent?.

pretty much...

non existant and probably gone if they want anything resembling a balanced attack with post scoring and outside shooting, of which there's nothing remotely close to presently on the roster (and there isn't quite enough room to add lebron and bosh/amare at this point with deng on the roster)

Illinirob83
06-30-2010, 01:31 AM
hablo ingles? sporting aspect? :eyebrow:

anyways, i've notice attendance has won the cubs a great many championships...How about football where the Dolphins outdrew the Bears by an average of over 5,000 fans per game last year? Is that not a "sporting aspect"???

lebron has repeatedly said he prefers attendance ratings over winning right?

Cool, bro, thanks for your contribution.

Bears sell out every game and they have like a 30 year waiting list or some ***** for new ticket owners. The stadium holds only 65,000 or so....maybe the Dolphins stadium is bigger, but regardless Chicago > Miami in every way other than weather. UC sells out even for a mediocre product....Miami can't get people in the seats even with the Dwade show every night. Didn't the Dolphins have problems selling out their stadium for playoff games in the past? Don't even compare Miami football fandom or relevance to the Chicago Bears...you can't win that one.

HuRRiCaNeS324
06-30-2010, 01:35 AM
Of course he is going to say this, he needs to make sure they keep their options open. At least he knows he will be in Miami, but he doesn't know if lebron can pull of lebron to join the heat? Which means he has to get rid of beasley.... Which is really tuff to do.

Relax, they cant read between the lines.

ChiSox219
06-30-2010, 01:44 AM
If you can fold your pizza in half, it sucks.

Truth!!!!!!

:clap:

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 01:48 AM
Wade by himself last year was worth 7 more wins than Rose and Noah combined....overall that.

Interesting.
And yet Wade has a win share total of 13, while Noah has 6.2, and Rose has 6.
And yet Wade somehow has 7 more wins.
I'm pretty sure someone's math is incorrect...

footballer2369
06-30-2010, 01:48 AM
Bears sell out every game and they have like a 30 year waiting list or some ***** for new ticket owners. The stadium holds only 65,000 or so....maybe the Dolphins stadium is bigger, but regardless Chicago > Miami in every way other than weather. UC sells out even for a mediocre product....Miami can't get people in the seats even with the Dwade show every night. Didn't the Dolphins have problems selling out their stadium for playoff games in the past? Don't even compare Miami football fandom or relevance to the Chicago Bears...you can't win that one.

I already did. He's talking attendance, well the Dolphins' is higher.

If he wants to talk winning %, well that's a losing battle for Chicago in probably every sport.

The Dolphins were the winningest football team over the last 40 years at last check (a couple years ago), the Heat have only missed a handful of playoffs in their 22 year history, the Marlins have more titles in 15 years than the Cubs have, period.

Not that this will really matter, I'm just sick of ignorant Bulls fans spewing garbage....

Between that, depth, and "ego talk" Bulls' fans have their defense responses taped and ready.

Guess what though it's a two-way street. Wade was worth 7 more wins than Rose and Noah combined last year and more than Rose, Noah and Deng combined.

Guess what, Heat attendance is average and their TV ratings are better. I don't think any F/A is going to choose his home and his team over a couple extra fans when he has billions all over the world.

Guess what, Wade has already said he's all about winning and he's happy deffering. He said that's what this summer is about. Lebron has said he's all about winning as well. They have won together in the olympics.

The arguments are garbage, don't let your Rose colored glasses say otherwise.

That said, the Jordan's shadow arguments are equally garbage...

It will come down to whether he prefers ROse and Noah to Wade and Beasley, Reinsdorf to Arison (multibillionaire), new gm to Riley, Chicago to Miami, and if he's willing to give up the couple million he'd save in taxes here or even the multi-millions he'd give up leaving Cleveland...

In no way is this scenario cut and dry, and it's basically ice cream or brownies in that both situations are good ones.

I think it will be very hard for him to leave his hometown and give up money unless something really special is out there (aka possible dynasty).

That said I think Miami has the slight edge with Cleveland and Chicago pretty much on the same plane and it's really just a matter of preference. To speculate and look for facts when there are none is silly.

We'll see come July 1st and even more on July 8th what will happen. To continue arguing about stupid side issues that won't concern Lebron is nonsensical and ridiculous. And even with all this said, either team could STILL get the better w/o Lebron if they were to go out and get a more balanced cast either way.

Anyway good luck, (not too good, hopefully ;))and may the best side win.

footballer2369
06-30-2010, 01:50 AM
Interesting.
And yet Wade has a win share total of 13, while Noah has 6.2, and Rose has 6.
And yet Wade somehow has 7 more wins.
I'm pretty sure someone's math is incorrect...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe

correct math, different equations... we're both right.

either way your post still illustrates my point to a certain extent as well.

HuRRiCaNeS324
06-30-2010, 01:52 AM
Lmao Chicago talking about attendance when each cities are brought up, shocker. All of you say "Chicago is better in every way other than weather", but all you bring up is attendance lol. I can sit here all day telling you how much better Miami is than Chicago, tell me, how many miles is it to the nearest beach? Take a walk through Lincoln Road or have a nice lunch in Ocean Drive and tell if Chicago has anything remotely close to that.

xxcubs22xx
06-30-2010, 01:52 AM
Odds are based on bets made, not probability.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 01:52 AM
Bosh was in Miami this weekend. Stein and Broussard both said their sources saw all 3 of them in Miami this weekend after Henry thomas said they werent. This tells me they are trying to avoid tampering since the story reported them discussing contracts etc. Stern said there wil be none of that. that said i still am 50/50 on who i think they will sign with. who knows at this point but one thing i've gotten from all these rumors is it seems to be between the Bulls and Heat to land all 3 of these guys. Who goes where out of the 3 remains to be seen
Wade was in Chicago this weekend, he was on the big screen at the Crosstown Classic.

Lebron was in NY this weekend, he is splashed all over the papers there.

The only option would be if they met late Sunday.

ChiSox219
06-30-2010, 01:52 AM
I absolutely love the city and can't wait to go back.

But PSD Heat fans are making me hate Miami.

ChiSox219
06-30-2010, 01:53 AM
Lmao Chicago talking about attendance when each cities are brought up, shocker. All of you say "Chicago is better in every way other than weather", but all you bring up is attendance lol. I can sit here all day telling you how much better Miami is than Chicago, tell me, how many miles is it to the nearest beach? Take a walk through Lincoln Road or have a nice lunch in Ocean Drive and tell if Chicago has anything remotely close to that.

Like I said, I love Miami. In March, it's absolutely a better place than Chicago. Form May-October give me Chicago, same goes for Dec 25th and Jan 1st.

BTW, Chicago has a ton of beaches and IMO the women compare, fewer fakes (in both senses of the meanings) in Chi than Miami.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 01:54 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe

correct math, different equations... we're both right.

either way your post still illustrates my point to a certain extent as well.
Even with only Rose, Deng, Noah, JJ and Taj signed, the Bulls have more depth and youth than Miami.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 01:54 AM
I already did. He's talking attendance, well the Dolphins' is higher.

If he wants to talk winning %, well that's a losing battle for Chicago in probably every sport.

The Dolphins were the winningest football team over the last 40 years at last check (a couple years ago), the Heat have only missed a handful of playoffs in their 22 year history, the Marlins have more titles in 15 years than the Cubs have, period.


Cool story bro.
And how many superbowls or NFL titles did Dolphins win in that time period? And wasn't that the same team that couldn't win one superbowl with that Marino fellow?
Meanwhile Bears have 8 NFL Titles and 1 superbowl. That's only second behind GB.
And actually Marlins have the same number of titles as Cubs. You might want to check on your math, sport.

Regardless, this has nothing to do with these sports anyway.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 01:55 AM
Lmao Chicago talking about attendance when each cities are brought up, shocker. All of you say "Chicago is better in every way other than weather", but all you bring up is attendance lol. I can sit here all day telling you how much better Miami is than Chicago, tell me, how many miles is it to the nearest beach? Take a walk through Lincoln Road or have a nice lunch in Ocean Drive and tell if Chicago has anything remotely close to that.
Umm...Chicago has a beach . . .


And Michigan Avenue, Millenium Park.


Not to mention, it's not uncommon for guys to live in a different city than they play in during the season (which is winter, not many guys hitting up the beaches during the season).

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 01:57 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe

correct math, different equations... we're both right.

either way your post still illustrates my point to a certain extent as well.

I don't see how...
No one is questioning that Wade is better and is a top 5 player in this league...
However, Bulls have a more complete roster and Lebron wouldn't have to deal with egos.
As for Vegas odds, as so many people already pointed out, it's based on bets already made, not probability.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 01:57 AM
Cool story bro.
And how many superbowls or NFL titles did Dolphins win in that time period? And wasn't that the same team that couldn't win one superbowl with that Marino fellow?
Meanwhile Bears have 8 NFL Titles and 1 superbowl. That's only second behind GB.
And actually Marlins have the same number of titles as Cubs. You might want to check on your math, sport.

Regardless, this has nothing to do with these sports anyway.
And...the Cubs have a winning percentage of .513
The Marlins is .478

HuRRiCaNeS324
06-30-2010, 02:00 AM
Umm...Chicago has a beach . . .


And Michigan Avenue, Millenium Park.


Not to mention, it's not uncommon for guys to live in a different city than they play in during the season (which is winter, not many guys hitting up the beaches during the season).

I know Chicago has a beach but theyre not as abundant

Miami beach>Chicago beach

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:01 AM
I know Chicago has a beach but theyre not as abundant

Miami beach>Chicago beach
Sure, but for how long with the oil working it's way up :p


As I said though and I'll repeat verbatim:

Not to mention, it's not uncommon for guys to live in a different city than they play in during the season (which is winter, not many guys hitting up the beaches during the season).

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:04 AM
Let me throw out random facts out there too. Reasons why Chicago
-deep dish pizza
-better all around team
-great sports history
-Jordan

Nuff said.

None of those will be a factor to free agents except the bold part (which is also not true if all three sign with the Heat). Specially, if you think pizza and sports history will attaract FA's then people can assume how matured you are son. And Jordan factor will push the FA's away if anything it does.

footballer2369
06-30-2010, 02:04 AM
Sure, but for how long with the oil working it's way up :p


As I said though and I'll repeat verbatim:

oil spill= west coast of florida in the gulf 2 hours west of miami.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:05 AM
None of those will be a factor to free agents except the bold part (which is also not true if all three sign with Heat). Specially, if you think pizza, sports history will attaract FA's then people can assume how matured you are son. And Jordan factor will push the FA's away if anything it does.
Sports history definitely plays a factor. The Lakers are immensely more attractive than the Bobcats. And in terms of history, the Bulls are more attractive than the Heat.

People assume the Jordan factor will push a guy away, but nothing's even remotely backed that up. I didn't see Kobe running from LA because of Magic, or Pierce trying to leave Boston because of Bird.

gocubs2118
06-30-2010, 02:06 AM
None of those will be a factor to free agents except the bold part (which is not true if all three sign with Heat). Specially, if you think pizza, sports history will attaract FA's then people can assume how matured you are son. And Jordan factor will push the FA's away if anything it does.

The Jordan factor actually helps the Bulls with LeBron.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:07 AM
oil spill= west coast of florida in the gulf 2 hours west of miami.
The currents will take that oil around the tip of Florida and up the Atlantic coast hundreds of miles.


That=oil on Miami beaches.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:09 AM
None of those will be a factor to free agents except the bold part (which is also not true if all three sign with the Heat). Specially, if you think pizza and sports history will attaract FA's then people can assume how matured you are son. And Jordan factor will push the FA's away if anything it does.

False.
I guess that's why Kobe begged to be traded to Chicago in 07?
I guess that's why Lebron wears #23?
I guess that's why Simmons and Ford talked about in their podcast how Lebron is absolutely obsessed with Jordan. He even found out about Jordan's postgame ritual of going to Gibsons steakhouse where he had a specific waiter and table. And did the same thing every time he played the Bulls.
It's a positive.
So let's end this MJ shadow nonsense.

Here's the podcast. Last 10min or so if you don't believe. Top right hand corner.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/simmons/index

Seriously, I should just sig this, instead of typing all this out every time I see this garbage.

footballer2369
06-30-2010, 02:19 AM
Cool story bro.
And how many superbowls or NFL titles did Dolphins win in that time period? And wasn't that the same team that couldn't win one superbowl with that Marino fellow?
Meanwhile Bears have 8 NFL Titles and 1 superbowl. That's only second behind GB.
And actually Marlins have the same number of titles as Cubs. You might want to check on your math, sport.

Regardless, this has nothing to do with these sports anyway.

Dolphins have the only perfect season and killed your attempt at the perfect season....

And, ya, 100 something years ago the Cubs won a couple series' lol in the dead ball era...'grats.

Anyways, if you would have read:

Not that this will really matter (from my post immediately following what you quoted)

I don't get why some people are incapable of arguing the bigger picture and have to pick at tiny side arguments. It's sad really.

If you have anything to say about my entire post, where I also talked down the stupid argument from Heat fans, and admitted that both were on a nearly even playing field and it's just a matter of preference, I would be very interested in hearing it.




I don't see how..
No one is questioning that Wade is better and is a top 5 player in this league...
However, Bulls have a more complete roster and Lebron wouldn't have to deal with egos.
As for Vegas odds, as so many people already pointed out, it's based on bets already made, not probability.

This is a star league dominated by star players.

See Duncan, Shaq 4 titles, Kobe 5, Pistons 1.

And I don't consider a roster with no outside shooting or post scoring to be a balanced roster, quite the opposite....

Both teams are starting from scratch. People find the PG-C duo to be sexy regardless of it's effectiveness. The duo combined is not as effective as the one player the Heat have and the rest of the group are equal, if not better in Miami once the Bulls shed the necessary salary to get both.

But like I said, it's just a matter of preference. We're both going to prefer our roster and our city. It doesn't matter though.

Lebron could love Washington for all we know. And in the end that will be all that matters.

Regardless, I'm going to bed, I hope you take the time to go through the entire post in stead of looking to attack and disprove everything and find that I was quite amenable to the possibility that he may prefer Chicago or Cleveland and I don't think either of us missing out on him will doom us.

No reason to attack. Good night and good luck to all reasonable and unbiased Bulls fans.

Illinirob83
06-30-2010, 02:19 AM
LOL at Miami fans trying to compare cities....and on top of that trying to compare what the better sport city is. It is ridiculous. "people were talking about attendance and the Dolphins was higher".......THEY HAVE MORE SEATS IN THEIR STADIUM. How about you do capacity % for the Dolphins vs. the Bears in the past 30 years. That is what you look at. Bears fans can't help that they have only 65,000 seats in their stadium..they sell out, do the Dolphins? No. Bears have like a 30 year waiting period on season tix. Chicago is a tremendous all around city. Well cultured, diverse, BEACHES, world class restaurants.....top 3 market in the country, great night life as well....what can Miami, in terms of city, offer that Chicago can't other than the weather? And sports city......not close in terms of which one is a better one anyone with a brain could recognize that, I would hope.

To the douche who continues to bring up the Cubs....ok they haven't won titles....but people still actually care about what they do, no one does about the Marlins. That is what people are talking about in terms of better sports city. Have the Marlins, as an organization, had better success than the Cubs? Yes, but that means nothing or says nothing about the CITY of Miami.....they don't care or go to watch them. People go and care about the Cubs. And I see you didn't bring up the White Sox, two baseball city btw, who recently won a world series......which is REINSDORF'S TEAM. So your argument is dumb

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:20 AM
People assume the Jordan factor will push a guy away, but nothing's even remotely backed that up. I didn't see Kobe running from LA because of Magic, or Pierce trying to leave Boston because of Bird.

How ignorant can you be son??? Do you realize Kobe and Pierce were mere 13th and 10th pick rookies that had no choice of choosing teams? And LeBron is the best player on the planet and has a legit chance of the surpassing MJ???

G R O W U P.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:21 AM
Both teams are starting from scratch. People find the PG-C duo to be sexy regardless of it's effectiveness. The duo combined is not as effective as the one player the Heat have and the rest of the group are equal, if not better in Miami once the Bulls shed the necessary salary to get both.
I'm not sure how the rest of the group is equal. Taj Gibson, an underrated James Johnson and Luol Deng is a trio Miami really can't match.


But what about considering that Lebron may not want to go to a place where he'll play second fiddle. Not second fiddle to a legend of the game (Jordan), but second fiddle to a player on his own team (Wade) in popularity.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:23 AM
Dolphins have the only perfect season and killed your attempt at the perfect season....

Good for them.


And, ya, 100 something years ago the Cubs won a couple series' lol in the dead ball era...'grats.


Not that I really care. I'm not even a baseball fan. You just made an incorrect statement.



I don't get why some people are incapable of arguing the bigger picture and have to pick at tiny side arguments. It's sad really.

If you have anything to say about my entire post, where I also talked down the stupid argument from Heat fans, and admitted that both were on a nearly even playing field and it's just a matter of preference, I would be very interested in hearing it.

Well you kinda added to it. If you didn't want to pick at tiny side arguments, you wouldn't have made those statements, now would you?



This is a star league dominated by star players.

See Duncan, Shaq 4 titles, Kobe 5, Pistons 1.

And I don't consider a roster with no outside shooting or post scoring to be a balanced roster, quite the opposite....

Both teams are starting from scratch. People find the PG-C duo to be sexy regardless of it's effectiveness. The duo combined is not as effective as the one player the Heat have and the rest of the group are equal, if not better in Miami once the Bulls shed the necessary salary to get both.


I'm pretty sure Rose is going to continue to improve to the point where he will be a star. Be it season 3 or season 4.


But like I said, it's just a matter of preference. We're both going to prefer our roster and our city. It doesn't matter though.


Well said.


Regardless, I'm going to bed, I hope you take the time to go through the entire post in stead of looking to attack and disprove everything and find that I was quite amenable to the possibility that he may prefer Chicago or Cleveland and I don't think either of us missing out on him will doom us.

Agreed.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:24 AM
I have just realized that it's pretty much worthless and waste of time debating with immature, nonsense, and ignorant posters.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:24 AM
How ignorant can you be son??? Do you realize Kobe and Pierce were mere 13th and 10th pick rookies that had no choice of choosing teams? And LeBron is the best player on the planet and has a legit chance of the surpassing MJ???

G R O W U P.

That's ok. Cause I answered your awful argument about MJ's shadow.

gocubs2118
06-30-2010, 02:25 AM
How ignorant can you be son??? Do you realize Kobe and Pierce were mere 13th and 10th pick rookies that had no choice of choosing teams? And LeBron is the best player on the planet and has a legit chance of the surpassing MJ???

G R O W U P.

No one in Chicago expects LeBron to surpass MJ in anything. Give us one title and we'll be happy.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:25 AM
I have just realized that it's pretty much worthless and waste of time debating with immature, nonsense, and ignorant posters.

Good for you.
As they say, if you can't win, just get really, really angry, make some insults, and you surely win.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:25 AM
That's ok. Cause I answered your awful argument about MJ's shadow.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

How is that OK and my argument is awful at the same time?

Oh my lord!

RIPSweetness34
06-30-2010, 02:25 AM
yeah nuff said your city sucks

Hahaha, this is what we are coming to? You're city sucks? That's why we are the 3rd largest city in America right? Because it sucks. Also, Lebron disagrees with you. Our city is also responsible for you're superstar. Chicago is historic, and one of the great architectual cities in the world with great culture. We are also die hard about our teams, which is not something you can say about Miami fans. U guys don't support the Marlins even though they have 2 titles, which is also the reason their payroll is so low. And you couldn't even sell out when the Heat were in the playoffs, which "quite frankly" is rediculous. Miami is a 2nd class city with 1st class weather and Chicago is a 1st class city with 3rd class weather.

gocubs2118
06-30-2010, 02:26 AM
I have just realized that it's pretty much worthless and waste of time debating with immature, nonsense, and ignorant posters.

Are you talking about yourself?

HesterTrain
06-30-2010, 02:26 AM
So what about the 05 world champion white sox, or the Stanley Cup Champion BlackHawks? I guess they weren't good enough to be brought up in the sports factor.

Illinirob83
06-30-2010, 02:26 AM
How ignorant can you be son??? Do you realize Kobe and Pierce were mere 13th and 10th pick rookies that had no choice of choosing teams? And LeBron is the best player on the planet and has a legit chance of the surpassing MJ???

G R O W U P.

Yeah because those guys never had an opportunity for free agency ever. :facepalm: They decided to re-sign with those teams when they couldve bolted in fear of that scary shadow people love to bring up.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:27 AM
How ignorant can you be son??? Do you realize Kobe and Pierce were mere 13th and 10th pick rookies that had no choice of choosing teams? And LeBron is the best player on the planet and has a legit chance of the surpassing MJ???

G R O W U P.
First, I'm not your son. Don't call me your son. If I was your son, I'd be horribly embarrassed that my father has a handle emulating a Titanic character.

Regardless, both have been FA's, and Pierce could have tested FA well before he touched the championship title.

Great history, legendary players and a team's immense passion for those historic memories does not push a new, great player away from a team. If anything it draws him towards it.


Unless Lebron starts winning championships like...now...he's not surpassing MJ.

When Lebron averages 37+PPG for a season, we'll talk.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:27 AM
No one in Chicago expects LeBron to surpass MJ in anything. Give us one title and we'll be happy.

What makes you think that LeBron would be happy with that? And what makes you think that LeBron gives a **** on what people from chicago think about his possibility of being the GOAT??

HesterTrain
06-30-2010, 02:27 AM
Are you talking about yourself?

from what i've been reading in this thread, I got the same feeling he was.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:28 AM
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

How is that OK and my argument is awful at the same time?

Oh my lord!

While RWB's argument may lose in the sense that they were drafted, everything else I mentioned showed that players only respect MJ and want to be like Mike.

So :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: right back!
Argh, now I'm better cause I added an EXTRA facepalm.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:29 AM
What makes you think that LeBron would be happy with that? And what makes you think that LeBron gives a **** on what people from chicago think about his possibility of being the GOAT??

Umm, what?
You are the one making the garbage argument about MJ's shadow and how he'd be judged.
It doesn't matter either way. Point is, the MJ garbage is stupid and has been debunked numerous times.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:29 AM
While RWB's argument may lose in the sense that they were drafted, everything else I mentioned showed that players only respect MJ and want to be like Mike.

So :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: right back!
Argh, now I'm better cause I added an EXTRA facepalm.
Regardless of being drafted or not, both had the chance to bolt--especially Pierce before he won a championship.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:32 AM
Regardless of being drafted or not, both had the chance to bolt--especially Pierce before he won a championship.

True.
Honestly want to know who started these stupid shadow arguments. Players WANT to go to great, historic teams.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:34 AM
True.
Honestly want to know who started these stupid shadow arguments. Players WANT to go to great, historic teams.

And that is why Bulls has had NO all stars in 12 years. Lord!

RIPSweetness34
06-30-2010, 02:36 AM
I already did. He's talking attendance, well the Dolphins' is higher.

If he wants to talk winning %, well that's a losing battle for Chicago in probably every sport.

The Dolphins were the winningest football team over the last 40 years at last check (a couple years ago), the Heat have only missed a handful of playoffs in their 22 year history, the Marlins have more titles in 15 years than the Cubs have, period.
Not that this will really matter, I'm just sick of ignorant Bulls fans spewing garbage....

Between that, depth, and "ego talk" Bulls' fans have their defense responses taped and ready.

Guess what though it's a two-way street. Wade was worth 7 more wins than Rose and Noah combined last year and more than Rose, Noah and Deng combined.

Guess what, Heat attendance is average and their TV ratings are better. I don't think any F/A is going to choose his home and his team over a couple extra fans when he has billions all over the world.
Guess what, Wade has already said he's all about winning and he's happy deffering. He said that's what this summer is about. Lebron has said he's all about winning as well. They have won together in the olympics.

The arguments are garbage, don't let your Rose colored glasses say otherwise.

That said, the Jordan's shadow arguments are equally garbage...

It will come down to whether he prefers ROse and Noah to Wade and Beasley, Reinsdorf to Arison (multibillionaire), new gm to Riley, Chicago to Miami, and if he's willing to give up the couple million he'd save in taxes here or even the multi-millions he'd give up leaving Cleveland...

In no way is this scenario cut and dry, and it's basically ice cream or brownies in that both situations are good ones.

I think it will be very hard for him to leave his hometown and give up money unless something really special is out there (aka possible dynasty).

That said I think Miami has the slight edge with Cleveland and Chicago pretty much on the same plane and it's really just a matter of preference. To speculate and look for facts when there are none is silly.

We'll see come July 1st and even more on July 8th what will happen. To continue arguing about stupid side issues that won't concern Lebron is nonsensical and ridiculous. And even with all this said, either team could STILL get the better w/o Lebron if they were to go out and get a more balanced cast either way.

Anyway good luck, (not too good, hopefully ;))and may the best side win.

Why do you keep saying guess what?
1. Bears are the winningest team in NFL history and are second in championships to only the Packers. The NFL would not exist without the Bears since George Halas was the founder of the NFL and it's main supporter in the beggining. We have also been to a Superbowl much more recently, and won a Superbowl more recently than the Dolphins. The '85 Bears are also considered among most people outside of Miami the greatest football team of all time.
2. 6 Rings is greater than 1, and do you have a Link, because I just read a video saying that NY, LA, and CHI have the top 3 ratings in the league and there is a significant drop off after that.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5341951&categoryid=2378529

3. This is a false statement, the Cubs have 2 world series and the Marlins have 2 world series. Don't post if you are going to be ignorant and not know what you are talking about.

Also, did you see the Blackhawks parade? 2 million people showed up. No way Miami would ever do anything like that.

gocubs2118
06-30-2010, 02:36 AM
And that is why Bulls has had NO all stars in 12 years. Lord!

http://www.bothteamsplayedhard.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/derrick-rose-all-star.jpg

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:36 AM
And that is why Bulls has had NO all stars in 12 years. Lord!
Hmmm...the Bulls had that Elton Brand guy, their best pick in the early 2000's suffered a horrific motorcycle crash that killed his career, also have that Rose kid-who's going to be a perennial all-star and a definite possible all-star C with Noah.


Jesus!

MacFitz92
06-30-2010, 02:37 AM
I'm betting my money on Dallas :)

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:37 AM
And that is why Bulls has had NO all stars in 12 years. Lord!

I'm pretty sure Rose was an allstar.
Boston wasn't too good for a couple decades either, I don't see your point.
Bulls never really had a chance to sign allstars like this free agency. In 2000 we were in the same position as Knicks, wasn't going to happen. So, I'm missing the point you are trying to make.
Go back to that angry technique, it was working better.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:39 AM
http://www.bothteamsplayedhard.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/derrick-rose-all-star.jpg

Kid you failed to realize that from 1998 to 2010= 12 ****ing years!

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:40 AM
Kid you failed to realize that from 1998 to 2010= 12 ****ing years!

Still missing the point you are trying to make...?

gocubs2118
06-30-2010, 02:40 AM
Kid you failed to realize that from 1998 to 2010= 12 ****ing years!

Uh, what? I'm glad you passed kindergarten math.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:41 AM
Uh, what?

At this point I don't even know what he's arguing about... :laugh2:

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:41 AM
Still missing the point you are trying to make...?

That history doesn't necessarily attract all stars to join a team. If it did then bulls wouldn't have been miserable for 12 some years.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:43 AM
That history doesn't necessarily attract all stars to join a team. If it did then bulls wouldn't have been miserable for 12 some years.

Ben Wallace readily signed.
And you can't sign players when your team is full of junk thanks to Krause.
Since the Bulls tidied up in 04, there has never been a free agency with great stars since then. Now, one has arrived. We'll see.
Never said history is all that matters. Hardly. But it's absolutely a positive, not a negative.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:44 AM
Uh, what? I'm glad you passed kindergarten math.

Learn how to follow up posts. It was my comment on your ignorance when you said Rose in response to my 12 years non-all stars bulls post. Sorry, I can't teach you simple math now.

gocubs2118
06-30-2010, 02:45 AM
Learn how to follow up posts. It was my comment on your ignorance when you said Rose in response to my 12 years non-all stars bulls post. Sorry, I can't teach you simple math now.

I'm so confused, you realize Rose made the 2010 all star game don't you?

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:45 AM
Still missing the point you are trying to make...?
Apparently that the Bulls have 2 straight players on the NBA Rookie first team and have had many players in the Rookie/Sophomore game at the AS Break.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:46 AM
Learn how to follow up posts. It was my comment on your ignorance when you said Rose in response to my 12 years non-all stars bulls post. Sorry, I can't teach you simple math now.

Great, you made a simple irrelevant fact. You might have impressed gocubs with your math skills, but I expect more damn it!

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:47 AM
I'm so confused, you realize Rose made the 2010 all star game don't you?

And that's why I said bulls didn't have a all star from 1998 till 2010. I am done with you. I don't how you don't get it.

THE MTL
06-30-2010, 02:47 AM
It switches everyday within the past week the Knicks, Nets, Bulls, and Miami have all been favorites to land Lebron.

HuRRiCaNeS324
06-30-2010, 02:47 AM
Sure, but for how long with the oil working it's way up :p


As I said though and I'll repeat verbatim:

:ouch:

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:48 AM
And that's why I said bulls didn't have a all star from 1998 till 2010. I am done with you. I don't how you don't get it.

WE get it. It's simply irrelevant and adds nothing to the discussion.
While we are at it, Bulls owned Miami in the 90s. Did it add anything to the discussion? Of course not.
But I want to be more like YOU!!!!!

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:49 AM
That history doesn't necessarily attract all stars to join a team. If it did then bulls wouldn't have been miserable for 12 some years.
The Bulls have been fairly good competitors since 2004, missing the playoffs only once. Funny enough, that's also the only year the Heat have missed the playoffs-with a fabulous 15 win season.

G-Bay New J
06-30-2010, 02:54 AM
I'm so confused, you realize Rose made the 2010 all star game don't you?

Wow yes :facepalm:

He's saying its been a 12 year span between all star appearences, 1998-2010.

Lol and you were making fun of his math skills.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:54 AM
WE get it. It's simply irrelevant and adds nothing to the discussion.While we are at it, Bulls owned Miami in the 90s. Did it add anything to the discussion? Of course not.
But I want to be more like YOU!!!!!

Funny how you brought the history thing and I went into it and now it's irrelevant. Have fun dude.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 02:56 AM
Wow yes :facepalm:

He's saying its been a 12 year span between all star appearences, 1998-2010.

Lol and you were making fun of his math skills.
Mm...but it's not.

It's 11. We had an all star in 1998 and 2010. Missing in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

Count 'em: 11.


And in that time span, they had a LOT of guys play in the Rookie/Sophomore game and on the All Rookie First and Second team. Developed very solid players-just not all-stars. And as stated, they were in disarray until 2004, and there hasn't been a big FA year since then.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:56 AM
Wow yes :facepalm:

He's saying its been a 12 year span between all star appearences, 1998-2010.

Lol and you were making fun of his math skills.

THANK YOU! About 4 bulls posters have failed to realize that pre-k math! And you expect them to say something knowledgeable? Hell NO!

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:57 AM
Funny how you brought the history thing and I went into it and now it's irrelevant. Have fun dude.

I'm pretty sure I answered it.
What does not having all stars have anything to do with MJ's shadow. All it meant was that our team was ran like **** til 02. After that we built via draft for the most part along with signing a star who played well for one season and then sucked. So again, your point is irrelevant. However, I am having fun. :)

ChiSox219
06-30-2010, 02:58 AM
Now, this is a thread these overzealous mods should lock.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 02:58 AM
THANK YOU! About 4 bulls posters have failed to realize that pre-k math! And you expect them to say something knowledgeable? Hell NO!

Not really. Your point still is irrelevant though.
BUT YES, the anger is back my friend! You shout your computer!

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 02:59 AM
Mm...but it's not.

It's 11. We had an all star in 1998 and 2010. Missing in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

Count 'em: 11.


And in that time span, they had a LOT of guys play in the Rookie/Sophomore game and on the All Rookie First and Second team. Developed very solid players-just not all-stars. And as stated, they were in disarray until 2004, and there hasn't been a big FA year since then.

LMAO! Yes you win if that gives more peace at getting an all star in 11 years rather than 12 years!

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 03:00 AM
LMAO! Yes you win if that gives more peace at getting an all star in 11 years rather than 12 years!

You did say it was pre-k math.
Still though, what does this have to do with MJ's shadow.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 03:01 AM
LMAO! Yes you win if that gives more peace at getting an all star in 11 years rather than 12 years!
I just think it's hilarious that you're *****ing and whining and complaining and you're still wrong.


But it's even more amusing when all people do around the AS Game is complain about how poorly the teams are put together, and how AS's are just popularity contests.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 03:02 AM
Not really. Your point still is irrelevant though.
BUT YES, the anger is back my friend! You shout your computer!

I highly doubt you realize the meaning of that bold part. Talking about history and the last decade is not part of it?? lmao! I would let you smoke whatever you are smoking.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 03:03 AM
I highly doubt you realize the meaning of that bold part. Talking about history and the last decade is not part of it?? lmao! I would let you smoke whatever you are smoking.

Cool story bro. Funny how Boston Celtics are considered the best or second best franchise in the NBA, and had nearly 2 decades of bad basketball.
But those allstars, man those votes, THAT is the REAL difference.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 03:03 AM
I highly doubt you realize the meaning of that bold part. Talking about history and the last decade is not part of it?? lmao! I would let you smoke whatever you are smoking.
What about the history of the Bulls spanking the Heat?

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 03:05 AM
Cool story bro. Funny how Boston Celtics are considered the best or second best franchise in the NBA, and had nearly 2 decades of bad basketball.
But those allstars, man those votes, THAT is the REAL difference.

Exactly! That just proves my point that history doesn't necessarily attract the superstar FA's. If it did Celtics/Bulls wouldn't be in disarray for that long.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 03:07 AM
Exactly! That just proves my point that history doesn't necessarily attract the superstar FA's. If it did Celtics/Bulls wouldn't be in disarray for that long.

Or more likely, that having ****ed up front offices really hurt you. And if you read one of my earlier posts, I distinctly said that history alone won't get you players, but it can be an added bonus.
And if we go to your first post, you brought up in the first place with the MJ shadow crap.

Illinirob83
06-30-2010, 03:07 AM
LMAO! Yes you win if that gives more peace at getting an all star in 11 years rather than 12 years!

And the Bulls swept Miami's ***** with ZERO all-stars in 2007.....so there. Who the hell cares if they didn't have an all-star during that stretch? What does that mean? What does that prove? Bulls had ZERO all-star worthy players yet still sell out the UC, and the Miami fans have had a championship..plus one of the greatest players ever in Wade yet don't sell out. You lose.

Penetra8r
06-30-2010, 03:10 AM
Vegas knows something

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 03:10 AM
And the Bulls swept Miami's ***** with ZERO all-stars in 2007.....so there. Who the hell cares if they didn't have an all-star during that stretch? What does that mean? What does that prove? Bulls had ZERO all-star worthy players yet still sell out the UC, and the Miami fans have had a championship..plus one of the greatest players ever in Wade yet don't sell out. You lose.

:drunk:?

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 03:11 AM
Vegas knows something
See where it is on Friday.

I bet whatever team meets with James then will be the leader. Since the "summit" idea has been disputed, I expect another swing in the odds.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 03:11 AM
Vegas knows something

Sure it does. But as many pointed out, these odds are based on how people betted, not the probability.

Illinirob83
06-30-2010, 03:11 AM
:drunk:?

the ******** argument you started and continue to pursue.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 03:12 AM
See where it is on Friday.

I bet whatever team meets with James then will be the leader. Since the "summit" idea has been disputed, I expect another swing in the odds.

They are all meeting him. At least the six most likely destinations at this point.

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 03:13 AM
They are all meeting him. At least the six most likely destinations at this point.
All on Friday?

I have a feeling that isn't quite accurate.

jackdawson
06-30-2010, 03:15 AM
the ******** argument you started and continue to pursue.

:crazy::bang::worthy:

redwhitenblue
06-30-2010, 03:16 AM
:crazy::bang::worthy:
And with this solid discussion continuing, I'm off.

HesterTrain
06-30-2010, 03:16 AM
It's funny to me when people bring up MJ's shadow....LMAO when are people going to realize that it's just a superstition? Nothing more, players don't care about that anymore. If anything Lebron would be ecstatic considering he's his idol, playing in the same city.

kozelkid
06-30-2010, 03:17 AM
All on Friday?

I have a feeling that isn't quite accurate.

No it's over 2 or 3 days. Originally he wanted to do a free agency tour. But that changed.

HesterTrain
06-30-2010, 03:18 AM
Plus isn't the goal to be as good or better then Jordan? How better to do so than in his own building.

Lord Leoshes
06-30-2010, 04:49 AM
I love how it's like the trendy thing to just say Bulls fans are stupid and everything. It's brought up when the Bulls aren't even the subject of threads. You people are becoming exactly like what you supposedly hate. Too bad Bulls fans greatly outnumber fans of every other team on this site, so we're not going anywhere. :D

There are so many Bulls fans, that they crawl out the wood works. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw_zUUE4BE0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp5Uqqxcqa8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lv8pq77Qas