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Stunner
06-22-2010, 02:38 PM
per ESPN the Wolves and Grizzles are about to swap pick 16 for 25 and 28.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5315275&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5315275

iFYouSeekAmy
06-22-2010, 02:39 PM
Meh.

Stunner
06-22-2010, 02:43 PM
Good trade for the Grizz lol

arkanian215
06-22-2010, 02:43 PM
I was hoping the Nets could've worked something out with the Wolves to move back one and move their 27 and 31 for the Wolves' 16. Oh well.

S-Dot
06-22-2010, 02:43 PM
Ever since these two teams traded their franchise players in 2007-2008 season, they have been two very mysterious teams. Both have a great deal of young talent, but I still can't say I know which route they are taking..what type of team they are trying to build, whether it's through the draft or some other way.

abe_froman
06-22-2010, 02:44 PM
woohoo,anderson's ours

Hawkeye15
06-22-2010, 02:44 PM
not sure why for Minny. We already have 3 picks, and this would give us #4, and then #23, 25, 28. Mmkay

RocketsRule
06-22-2010, 02:44 PM
It's not official just yet, but I like it for the Grizzlies either way.

raptor fan
06-22-2010, 02:45 PM
i think one of these late first rounders is going to be shipped to new jersey for the 3rd pick, so they can draft wes johnson. there's been rumors that the nets might pick up johnson if minnesota doesn't move up.

Stunner
06-22-2010, 02:45 PM
woohoo,anderson's ours

Abe the Grizz gonna screw us and take Geroge and Anderson.

abe_froman
06-22-2010, 02:46 PM
Abe the Grizz gonna screw us and take Geroge and Anderson.

they have mayo,wolves were the team i was worried about as thewy needed swingmen

arkanian215
06-22-2010, 02:47 PM
not sure why for Minny. We already have 3 picks, and this would give us #4, and then #23, 25, 28. Mmkay

Getting assets? Folks have been saying there's very little difference value-wise between the guys available in the high 20's and the high 30's. Moving down isn't that big of a deal in a deep draft, depending on where the talent is concentrated. Minny ended up drafting 3 PG's last year and traded one 'cuz they knew the Nuggets were high on Lawson. They can do the same this year and move several of those for better future picks.

Stunner
06-22-2010, 02:47 PM
they have mayo,wolves were the team i was worried about as thewy needed swingmen

They are gonna screw us more jus cuz and do this and Rudy leaves.

Mayo
Anderson
George
Z-Bo
Gasol

:cry:

mgsports
06-22-2010, 02:49 PM
New Jersey already has the 3rd Pick.

h2r09
06-22-2010, 02:50 PM
It's moves like this that just make me scratch my head and wonder wtf these gm's are thinking. Late first rounders like that are just about worthless in the nba most years and 16th overall pick could get you solid pieces or the future.

Minnesota already has enough young players and it seems like they are just going for quantity over quality which in the draft is just stupid.

Tony_Starks
06-22-2010, 02:52 PM
David Kahn is going to be out of a job by this time next year. You can quote me on that.

kozelkid
06-22-2010, 02:54 PM
Stupid on Minny's part, very stupid actually.
I mean if they want more picks, at least look to get early 2nd where in this draft there's hardly a difference between late 1st and early 2nd, and NO guaranteed contracts in the 2nd. Instead they take the less valuable late 1st where you still have guaranteed contracts.
God it must suck having Kahn as a gm.

Hawkeye15
06-22-2010, 02:54 PM
David Kahn is going to be out of a job by this time next year. You can quote me on that.

quoted

Hawkeye15
06-22-2010, 02:56 PM
Stupid on Minny's part, very stupid actually.
I mean if they want more picks, at least look to get early 2nd where in this draft there's hardly a difference between late 1st and early 2nd, and NO guaranteed contracts in the 2nd. Instead they take the less valuable late 1st where you still have guaranteed contracts.
God it must suck having Kahn as a gm.

I highly doubt this move doesn't lead to something else.

DaveDevries
06-22-2010, 02:57 PM
Why are people knocking this trade without even knowing the ramifications? Lets wait a little bit to see exactly what the purpose of this trade was for the Wolves before we jump to making bold assumptions like "Kahn will be out of a job next year".

kozelkid
06-22-2010, 02:58 PM
I highly doubt this move doesn't lead to something else.

It still doesn't make sense from a value stand point. Or even financial.

DaveDevries
06-22-2010, 02:58 PM
God it must suck having Kahn as a gm.

There are worse in the business. Were in the news, were in alot of rumors, and he's making things exciting in the TC for once. I love David Kahn.

h2r09
06-22-2010, 03:00 PM
I highly doubt this move doesn't lead to something else.

But this isnt the nfl and they just lost a whole **** load of value with their pick their.

If they were looking to make a deal they should have just kept the 16th pick.

R_O_W_E
06-22-2010, 03:01 PM
David Kahn is going to be out of a job by this time next year. You can quote me on that.

Quoted.

Dude is making major gambles.

I think #25 or #28 will be Lance Stephenson.

h2r09
06-22-2010, 03:01 PM
There are worse in the business. Were in the news, were in alot of rumors, and he's making things exciting in the TC for once. I love David Kahn.

You know another way of making things exciting? Actually winning other than just making ridiculous moves at the draft. And the reason your drafts are so exciting because you are picking near the top every year.

R_O_W_E
06-22-2010, 03:03 PM
According to source, the Toronto Raptors and Minnesota Timberwolves have discussed swapping Hedo Turkoglu and #13 for Corey Brewer and #23.

http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/16779863661

Now I see what Minny is trying to do. That is a good deal.

Hedo opens up the court as a Point Forward and can dish to Jefferson or Love.

arkanian215
06-22-2010, 03:07 PM
It still doesn't make sense from a value stand point. Or even financial.

It does make sense value-wise. Folks have been saying picks in the 20's and early 30's don't have much difference value-wise. They're trading the 16 for a pair of picks that has similar value to an early 20's pick. There isn't much difference between 16 and an early 20's pick. I can see why Memphis did it since they got Young, Carrol, Thabeet last year and Arthur recovering.

Hellcrooner
06-22-2010, 03:09 PM
good for grizz they ave acompetetna starting line up they need depth wich is waht two first provide isntead of just 1

Ragun
06-22-2010, 03:11 PM
if BC pulls that off, I will blow him.

its actually a good trade for both teams.

Hawkeye15
06-22-2010, 03:12 PM
It still doesn't make sense from a value stand point. Or even financial.

maybe it does. Because now there are more picks to facilitate a three way trade for example. Or maybe they were offered something and thought it was no good, and countered with, well we can get a couple in the 20's, and then trade

Basically, its too early to call the trade until the fallout is over with.

29$JerZ
06-22-2010, 03:13 PM
Makes no sense imo

Unless he is planning on offering all those picks for a super player I don't see why'd you drop the talent from 16 all the way to the 20's when you already have a pick in the 20's.

h2r09
06-22-2010, 03:14 PM
This all depends on which Turkoglu you get. If he wants to be there ten thats fine, but if he doesnt then this is an awful move by the Wolves.

Hawkeye15
06-22-2010, 03:14 PM
as a wolves fan, hell no

Tony_Starks
06-22-2010, 03:15 PM
Doesnt seem like the money would work. Turk has a horrible contract.

29$JerZ
06-22-2010, 03:15 PM
Minny runs a triangle offense so I'd think they would want a guy like Hedo handling the ball.

S-Dot
06-22-2010, 03:15 PM
if BC pulls that off, I will blow him.

its actually a good trade for both teams.

I agree with you..the second part of the quote. Not sure if Minnesota wants to get Hedo at the age of 32 with that contract though.

what54!?
06-22-2010, 03:15 PM
its good to see the wolves are being agressive

ldc62
06-22-2010, 03:15 PM
As a Raps fan... Hell Yes. Corey Brewer would fit our hybrid up tempo style. Plus hes not a terrible defender and is a proven winner (College level).

abe_froman
06-22-2010, 03:15 PM
raps should jump on it

DaveDevries
06-22-2010, 03:16 PM
You know another way of making things exciting? Actually winning other than just making ridiculous moves at the draft. And the reason your drafts are so exciting because you are picking near the top every year.
He's been on the job for one year, turned Randy Foye and Mike Miller into Ricky Rubio and continues to make moves that make the franchise look promising. If you want him to be superman than yeah I guess you won't like him. But he's doing a fine job.

gwrighter
06-22-2010, 03:20 PM
I like the deal for both teams. Having turk could help in luring other players to minny.... Having Brewer and Derozan with jose could be very nice on offense. Also Brewer is a sick defender at the wing spot. We could use one of those.

h2r09
06-22-2010, 03:21 PM
He's been on the job for one year, turned Randy Foye and Mike Miller into Ricky Rubio and continues to make moves that make the franchise look promising. If you want him to be superman than yeah I guess you won't like him. But he's doing a fine job.

And he then proceeded to draft 2 other pg's and sign ramon sessions, not to mention the fact that rubio has no interest in playing for them.

20GoodTimes20
06-22-2010, 03:24 PM
if BC pulls that off, I will blow him.

its actually a good trade for both teams.

:facepalm:..glad im not a raptors fan

Southsideheat
06-22-2010, 03:25 PM
this would allow a S&T with Bosh for Luol Deng. Deng and Brewer on the perimeter would be :drool: defensively.

Sadds The Gr8
06-22-2010, 03:25 PM
No thanks. We already have 2 athletic wing players that cant shoot 3's.

DaveDevries
06-22-2010, 03:27 PM
And he then proceeded to draft 2 other pg's and sign ramon sessions, not to mention the fact that rubio has no interest in playing for them.

Traded one of those PG's (Lawson) for a pick this year, drafted who many thought was the best PG in Rubio (no way you pass on him at #5). Signed Sessions to back up Flynn until Rubio comes over here. Rubio has never said he doesn't want to play here man. In fact:http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=1596&sport=NBA

Southsideheat
06-22-2010, 03:28 PM
No thanks. We already have 2 athletic wing players that cant shoot 3's.

you also have zero rebounding.

DaveDevries
06-22-2010, 03:29 PM
Kahn has so many deals on the table. I don't see this actually coming to fruition.

Sadds The Gr8
06-22-2010, 03:30 PM
you also have zero rebounding.

that's why we're trying to get a Center that can....

td0tsfinest
06-22-2010, 03:31 PM
if BC pulls that off, I will blow him.

its actually a good trade for both teams.

Get in line :p

Sly Guy
06-22-2010, 03:31 PM
lol at anyone who thinks big turk will provide any 'veteran leadership' for a young team.

Jays52
06-22-2010, 03:34 PM
lol at anyone who thinks big turk will provide any 'veteran leadership' for a young team.

Agreed

pebloemer
06-22-2010, 03:36 PM
Kahn has so many deals on the table. I don't see this actually coming to fruition.

Me too. But I like the deal for Toronto.

Ragun
06-22-2010, 03:37 PM
Get in line :p

is "yo mama" first? my bad.

Ragun
06-22-2010, 03:38 PM
lol at anyone who thinks big turk will provide any 'veteran leadership' for a young team.

well he can get the 19 year olds into clubs and buy them drinks.

D1JM
06-22-2010, 03:38 PM
i wish they would take for deng

numba1CHANGsta
06-22-2010, 03:39 PM
Why would the T-wolves do this trade? i can see why if they keep Al but if they trade him for the 5th pick, it would just be a bunch of young players with little experience and a Turkish has been with a big contract...

Mile High Champ
06-22-2010, 03:40 PM
As a Raps fan... Hell Yes. Corey Brewer would fit our hybrid up tempo style. Plus hes not a terrible defender and is a proven winner (College level).

He is a great defender. Plus he really improved a lot this past season. He looked like a bust before his breakout season this year.

nstojic
06-22-2010, 03:45 PM
^^ plus he's got the best calves in the nba:D

Wisdom Listens
06-22-2010, 03:49 PM
Not sure if Minnesota wants to get Hedo at the age of 32 with that contract though.

Yeah, we would be doing the Raptors a huge favor taking on that contract. The 13th pick almost makes up for it, but not quite.

Hawkeye15
06-22-2010, 03:49 PM
no use arguing the Rubio wont come bit. Its grown tiresome. Those who say he isn't coming to play for the Wolves don't have a shred of proof, yet still say it.

kozelkid
06-22-2010, 03:51 PM
It does make sense value-wise. Folks have been saying picks in the 20's and early 30's don't have much difference value-wise. They're trading the 16 for a pair of picks that has similar value to an early 20's pick. There isn't much difference between 16 and an early 20's pick. I can see why Memphis did it since they got Young, Carrol, Thabeet last year and Arthur recovering.

As I mentioned the most value are the early 2nd picks cause the value is still there and no guaranteed contracts

xxseven72ducexx
06-22-2010, 03:54 PM
bad move for the wolves, good one for the raps...they get a young wing player in corey brewer while getting rid of an older player who doesnt care for helping the team win...i dont see how this helps the wolves unless turkoglu plays like the turkoglu that was on orlando in the finals

BBadger1989
06-22-2010, 03:59 PM
this would be a good trade for the raps but the numbers don't line up. Even if it happened btoht teams would be destined for the lottery next year.

Stunner
06-22-2010, 04:02 PM
Why does David Khan want so many picks? 4,23,25,28
How does Minesota expect to get Paul George now..

They are not gettin him unless dey pick him at 4. Paul looks like he is going to either the Hornets, Grizz or Bulls in that order.

Mauersota
06-22-2010, 04:07 PM
DraftExpress is saying there is only talk on this issue and nothing is "about to go down".

arkanian215
06-22-2010, 04:11 PM
As I mentioned the most value are the early 2nd picks cause the value is still there and no guaranteed contracts

They can trade down if they want that 2nd rounder.

NYKalltheway
06-22-2010, 04:21 PM
That could have been useful for the Knicks, but we have nothing in exchange (hence why we need this free agency to work ;))

Slimsim
06-22-2010, 04:26 PM
It's only during the draft Minny start to make noise. During the regular season forget they even have a team.

Wisdom Listens
06-22-2010, 04:31 PM
It's only during the draft Minny start to make noise. During the regular season forget they even have a team.

That's because they are rebuilding.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-22-2010, 04:36 PM
wow as a raptors fan i know hedo has a big contract but i dont want to trade that pick how are we supposed to get avery bradley or paul george:(...I guess this means were after bledsoe

BBadger1989
06-22-2010, 04:43 PM
Why are people so worried about trading away the 13th. Do you really think we are going to get a solid rotation player at that spot, not very likely look at the history of the 13th outside of Kobe it is extremely thin.

Stunner
06-22-2010, 04:46 PM
James Johnson and the 17th pick for the 13th pick

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2010, 04:47 PM
Why does the title say trade talks between Raps and Wolves for Hedo and Jefferson?

Wisdom Listens
06-22-2010, 04:49 PM
Why are people so worried about trading away the 13th. Do you really think we are going to get a solid rotation player at that spot, not very likely look at the history of the 13th outside of Kobe it is extremely thin.

If you only include players taken at #13 specifically, sure. But what about all the great players who have been picked past #13? Those players would all still be on the board.

mgsports
06-22-2010, 04:54 PM
Because can't get Labron Jams just to players with James in their name.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2010, 04:56 PM
If the Raps did that trade, we would get a steal big time.

Corey Brewer is better than Turk right now.

Not to mention he's a great defender.

BBadger1989
06-22-2010, 04:56 PM
If you only include players taken at #13 specifically, sure. But what about all the great players who have been picked past #13? Those players would all still be on the board.


Still a craps shoot imo. There are no guarantees in the draft especially past the top 10. I am willing to bet the raptors don't draft a player of significance at the 13th spot. Rolle player/borderline starer at best. why wouldn't you pull the trigger on this right away and move down three spots and grab a decent young player and lose a cancer player with a huge contract at the same time.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2010, 04:57 PM
If you only include players taken at #13 specifically, sure. But what about all the great players who have been picked past #13? Those players would all still be on the board.

This draft class isn't even that deep.

Other than Wall, these guys aren't going to be great.

koreancabbage
06-22-2010, 06:34 PM
This draft class isn't even that deep.

Other than Wall, these guys aren't going to be great.

maybe, stranger things have happened.

there are lot of big men and swing men with potential, but at the end of the day, its the thing that gets GMs bad ratings/fired: players that don't pan out.

eric1501
06-22-2010, 06:52 PM
If the Raps did that trade, we would get a steal big time.

Corey Brewer is better than Turk right now.

Not to mention he's a great defender.

This made me literally laugh out loud. I watch Corey Brewer at the Target Center 1 out of 3 home games every year. He made a step forward this season but is far from being above average in this league. But you are right about him being a great defender. Brewer might be better by the year 2013 comes when Turk is 35 years old. Either way I would hate the Wolves to use half of their cap space on Turk.

Hawkeye15
06-22-2010, 07:05 PM
Brewer is nearly equal to Hedo now, without the ******** money.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2010, 07:08 PM
maybe, stranger things have happened.

there are lot of big men and swing men with potential, but at the end of the day, its the thing that gets GMs bad ratings/fired: players that don't pan out.

Remember how everyone said that the 2009 Draft class was really crap, well this one is probably worse IMO. Of course that class did turn out great, so you are right. Stranger things have happened.

SA5195
06-22-2010, 07:09 PM
I hope this does happen. Probably the best deal we can get for Hedo.

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2010, 07:11 PM
This made me literally laugh out loud. I watch Corey Brewer at the Target Center 1 out of 3 home games every year. He made a step forward this season but is far from being above average in this league. But you are right about him being a great defender. Brewer might be better by the year 2013 comes when Turk is 35 years old. Either way I would hate the Wolves to use half of their cap space on Turk.

I obviously exaggerated but getting Brewer for Turk would be wonders for this team.

I still think Turks got it in him. He'll probably average around 15, 5 and 5 next year. But he's just not a good fit with Toronto.

The Jokemaker
06-22-2010, 07:23 PM
Well if we're still talking about the Grizz move up, I say great deal. The team has enough young first round talent from previous years. They no longer have that need of quantity over quality. Now they just need to acquire a better bench player and someone who can step in and play, ideally a guy at the #16 spot. Trading two in their mind, lesser players in the chance to acquire a better player.

dtmagnet
06-22-2010, 07:50 PM
this would allow a S&T with Bosh for Luol Deng. Deng and Brewer on the perimeter would be :drool: defensively.

No, it doesn't really open that up.

Jays52
06-22-2010, 07:51 PM
????

thecure
06-22-2010, 08:15 PM
Hedo's effort last year was terrible. I thought he was also handled poorly by the coaching staff and front office. Leaves a bad taste that is hard to get rid of on both sides.

I loved Brewer last year and think he is a fantastic defender.

I guess you have to do if you're BC... throw in Dorsey and hopefully you can get them to flip picks too.

I wonder what Brewer brings to the team in terms of attitude and leadership?

Eagles4Lyfe
06-22-2010, 08:17 PM
If the Raps did that trade, we would get a steal big time.

Corey Brewer is better than Turk right now.

Not to mention he's a great defender.
Comments like this, i dont get some raptors fans, if people think turk cant help the raptors out then their wrong..Turk failed for a few reasons in our system and the 2 main reasons he did might be gone next year in calderon and bosh..He would be amazing and his defence isnt horrible either, when it comes down to the clutch turk and 13 is way better than the 23rd and brewer..But if we want to dump salary then this i guess would be the best option..



I hope this does happen. Probably the best deal we can get for Hedo.

yaaa it is i agree because we dont take any big contracts up..You know what this means though we get rid of calderon for another trade like this and we practically can sign bosh and another max FA:P

D Roses Bulls
06-22-2010, 08:29 PM
Ive been saying it for 4 years now and that is corey brewer will be an allstar anda defensive stopper and now he is actually playing good and the wolves are talking about trading him?that would be dumb on their part.

WSU Tony
06-22-2010, 08:29 PM
Who are the Wolves not talking to?

WSU Tony
06-22-2010, 08:31 PM
Ive been saying it for 4 years now and that is corey brewer will be an allstar anda defensive stopper and now he is actually playing good and the wolves are talking about trading him?that would be dumb on their part.

It took Brewer 4 years to become an average (at best) NBA player. He's not playing "good," he's playing average!

Hawkeye15
06-22-2010, 08:33 PM
Ive been saying it for 4 years now and that is corey brewer will be an allstar anda defensive stopper and now he is actually playing good and the wolves are talking about trading him?that would be dumb on their part.

I feel bad for not sticking up for my own player, but Brewer is not even an average NBA player, and his defense, while it still has potential, is overrated. He can turn players, but gets manhandled physically

Samz
06-22-2010, 08:55 PM
How many Raptor games did u guys watch? Turk may not have been in a system that displayed his strengths although A LOT of turk's downfalls this year was just him.

He missed wide open shots consistently
His shot selection was horrible
His defence was terrible
His off-court decisions were laughable (i.e. clubbin after a game where he left because of the stomach flu)

Turk messed up this season all by himself. Hell he didnt even show up to training camp in shape.

aman_13
06-22-2010, 09:09 PM
This trade doesn't seem right, i don't get why Minny would do this. I think Turk is a good fit for the team, but why would they want that cap hit? Brewer has some upside, a very good defender, but even if he doesn't pan out the Raps still win this trade just because of the cap relief. The picks are really a hit and miss.

BHF
06-22-2010, 09:48 PM
how many raptor games did u guys watch? Turk may not have been in a system that displayed his strengths although a lot of turk's downfalls this year was just him.

he missed wide open shots consistently
his shot selection was horrible
his defence was terrible
his off-court decisions were laughable (i.e. Clubbin after a game where he left because of the stomach flu)

turk messed up this season all by himself. Hell he didnt even show up to training camp in shape.

not true

Raps18-19 Champ
06-22-2010, 09:57 PM
It took Brewer 4 years to become an average (at best) NBA player. He's not playing "good," he's playing average!

And Turk was nowhere until he went to the Magic. Which is more than 4 years.

Sly Guy
06-22-2010, 09:57 PM
not true

mostly true.

blah-blah
06-22-2010, 10:06 PM
i dont know much about brewer but apparently hes a good defender and turkoglu is overpaid and has a long contract so its good cap relief and we need some defending instead of scoring so i like this deal wow and hes young and an expiring i really like this deal for the raps

0nekhmer
06-23-2010, 01:02 AM
i'd do it. raps need defence, wolves need a facilitator