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JordansBulls
06-19-2010, 12:52 PM
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According to the twitter freed of Fox Sports Radio host Chris Vernon, Sonny Vaccaro came onto Vernon's show on Thursday and said that he is "convinced" Stoudemire will join the Miami Heat this off-season.

Vaccaro's opinion on these types of matters is worth considering -- a longtime high-powered marketing exec who signed Michael Jordan to his first shoe deal and one of the godfathers of grassroots basketball, Sonny Vaccaro was William Wesley long before William Wesley was.

Of course, Vaccaro may be using common sense as much as his inside information -- Stoudemire is a Florida native, Miami has the space to keep Wade and give Amar'e a max deal, and are ready to give up on the underachieving Michael Beasley. Of all the possible free-agent moves this summer, Amar'e to Miami seems like one of the easiest to predict.

still1ballin
06-19-2010, 12:57 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if this happened.

camador22
06-19-2010, 12:58 PM
Everyone wants to be in Miami but Boozer and Amare are the most obvious of the bunch. I think Bosh is the first pickup for the Heat and then they will consider moving Beasley to create space for another max level free agent.

mia305king
06-19-2010, 01:02 PM
:pray:

Derick713
06-19-2010, 01:23 PM
The Heat may have a little leverage in the Stoudemire negotiations. He wants be in Miami and maybe the Heat can convince him to take a paycut.

jimbobjarree
06-19-2010, 01:25 PM
I was thinking how badass a CP3-Amare tandem would be if New Orleans offered like DWest+Mo Pete in a sign and trade, or even Collison or their first if thats what it takes.

anyone think New orleans would be that daring to keep CP3 happy?

Sadds The Gr8
06-19-2010, 01:26 PM
They should make a run for Bosh over Amare. Wade + Bosh >>>> Wade + Amare

hugepatsfan
06-19-2010, 01:31 PM
Bosh - MIA
Amare - NYK
Lee/Boozer - ?

J$mo0th_3o5
06-19-2010, 01:36 PM
I rather Bosh

jackdawson
06-19-2010, 01:42 PM
Gimme Bosh first. Amare is a fallback plan atm.

The Final Boss
06-19-2010, 01:45 PM
Lol

OnslaughtXX6
06-19-2010, 01:47 PM
Lol

showtym24
06-19-2010, 01:47 PM
Yea they'd be way better off with bosh IMO

mia305king
06-19-2010, 01:49 PM
Lol

Geargo Wallace
06-19-2010, 01:52 PM
I'm a huge Raptor fan and I'm a little surprised you guys would want Bosh CLEARLY over Amare. Amare plays soooo well in the playoffs.

JordansBulls
06-19-2010, 02:45 PM
Even with Amare, the Heat still need another piece. Maybe someone like Tmac to be the 3rd wheel.

jimbobjarree
06-19-2010, 02:51 PM
Tmacs not even good enough to be an 8th wheel on the knicks

RocketsRule
06-19-2010, 02:54 PM
Even with Amare, the Heat still need another piece. Maybe someone like Tmac to be the 3rd wheel.

Well won't they have enough room to add another Max (or close to it) free agent?

$KnicksAndKobe$
06-19-2010, 02:56 PM
Well won't they have enough room to add another Max (or close to it) free agent?

I think a Felton or Miller type player after 2 Wade and second max

c smooth1810
06-19-2010, 03:07 PM
if they sign 3 max players they would have 0 bench players lmao and be over the cap

hugepatsfan
06-19-2010, 03:13 PM
I think the Heat would be better keeping Beasley instead of trading him for room for a third max. Keep him as a 6th man off the bench. Sign Wade and Bosh. Use the remaining cap space on guys like C Brendan Haywood and other role players.

shep33
06-19-2010, 03:18 PM
How good would Miami be if they just got Stoudamire though? Would they be better than Orlando or Cleveland if LBJ returns, or the Bulls if they nab Bosh or LBJ?

I think Miami needs to get a lot of guys in order for them to win, not superstars but very good role players

If they want to contend for a title next season, there is still no way they match up well with the Lakers just by adding Amare. Heck that Phoenix team Amare was on this year would be better than them IMO, cause they were so deep, oh and he played with one of the best pg's of all time in Nash.

jackdawson
06-19-2010, 03:18 PM
Even with Amare, the Heat still need another piece. Maybe someone like Tmac to be the 3rd wheel.

Any team that starts T-mac is out of contention. He is done. It's over for him.

shep33
06-19-2010, 03:21 PM
Signing 3 max players is a huge risk that some teams IMO don't really want to take. As others have said 3 max players will get you very little bench production, on top of that if any one of those 3 players gets hurt, that team is screwed. All it takes is 1 knee, shoulder, elbow injury etc. and they'd be in trouble. I don't think its the right move to put all your eggs in one basket, yes it could be spectacular but it could also be disasterous cause we don't know about the other 12 guys on the team.

jackdawson
06-19-2010, 03:27 PM
How good would Miami be if they just got Stoudamire though? Would they be better than Orlando or Cleveland if LBJ returs, or the Bulls if they nab Bosh or LBJ?

I think Miami needs to get a lot of guys in order for them to win, not superstars but very good role players

If they want to content for a title next season, there is still no way they match up well with the Lakers just by adding Amare. Heck that Phoenix team Amare was on this year would be better than them IMO, cause they were so deep, oh and he played with one of the best pg's of all time in Nash.

True. But there will have to be a lot of signings...

PHX2daDEATH
06-19-2010, 03:36 PM
I'm a huge Raptor fan and I'm a little surprised you guys would want Bosh CLEARLY over Amare. Amare plays soooo well in the playoffs.

too bad we can't gauge how well Bosh plays in the playoffs because he can't even get there..

ATX
06-19-2010, 03:57 PM
if they sign 3 max players they would have 0 bench players lmao and be over the cap

Wouldn't be over the cap considering we'd have to move Beasley/Cook/Jones to make room for another star anyways. Unlikely, but it could work.

Chalmers (850k)/Min-450k (Beverly-Playing in Europe)
Wade (16.57)/R Bell (2 mil)
James (16.57/ Min-450k(Draft pick)
Bosh (16.57)/Min-450 (Dozier-Playing in Europe)
Anthony (1.5 mill)/Min-450k (Draft pick)

Rookie scale contracts can exceed the cap, and not count against it too. But your right about the bench. Next season Miami would be granted the MLE, and could add another quality player to the bench.

The Jokemaker
06-19-2010, 04:09 PM
I'd take Amare over Bosh. Amare has proved he can perform in the playoffs, like D Wade, and has the playoff experience. I think him and Wade would be a definite force. That being said, I still think Amare resigns in Phx but if he were to leave for Miami that would be a good pickup for Miami.

JordansBulls
06-19-2010, 11:34 PM
I'd like to see Amare in Miami, as long as we get Lebron or Bosh.

JOSKOMANG4
06-19-2010, 11:46 PM
Bosh - MIA
Amare - NYK(S&T w/Suns)
Lee/Boozer - ?

Lee(S&T w/Suns & Knicks)- SUns

Boozer- S&T w/Magic.

JOSKOMANG4
06-19-2010, 11:49 PM
Agree.. Bosh will wind up going to the Heat..

then trade Beasley & Chalmers to the Spurs for Tony Parker.

Then sign B.Haywood

C) Haywood
PF) Bosh
SF) D.Wright
SG) Wade
PG) T.Parker

DR. Pepper
06-20-2010, 12:03 AM
Wade+Amare+Boozer = :clap:

hugepatsfan
06-20-2010, 12:25 AM
Heat should trade Cook to the Bobcats as part of a S&T for Raymond Felton. That would give CHA another shooter (they desperately need offense). I have also read they have been active in trade discussions - Cook's expiring deal would be useful. They would still have the cap room to resign Wade and add Bosh with max deals. They would STILL have the cap space to sign C Haywood and SF John Salmons. Then they could resign Joel Anthony for the vet min. Beasley would make a great combo-forward off the bench.

PG: Felton, Chalmers
SG: Wade
SF: Salmons, Beasley
PF: Bosh, Beasley
C: Haywood, Anthony

ldc62
06-20-2010, 12:26 AM
All these idiots saying they're convinced/sure some player will be on certain teams next year.... what happens if Bosh wants to go to Miami? Miami will not choose Amare over Bosh.

fishfan79
06-20-2010, 12:30 AM
All these idiots saying they're convinced/sure some player will be on certain teams next year.... what happens if Bosh wants to go to Miami? Miami will not choose Amare over Bosh.

I would, I think amare is better then bosh he is a better overall player down low in a riley system

that said we have the cap space easily to sign both and wade :)

ldc62
06-20-2010, 02:21 AM
I would, I think amare is better then bosh he is a better overall player down low in a riley system

that said we have the cap space easily to sign both and wade :)

Amare's post game is not as good... also Bosh had the 2nd best FG% when using the high pick and roll (next to Dwight) which is sad for Amare seeing as how Amare got to play with Nash. Bosh is a better outside shooter and underrated inside game. Bosh is also a better rebounder and defensive player (not by much).

robdizzle3
06-20-2010, 02:31 AM
The Heat need to make a play for Bosh really hard. I know he probably prefres the Knicks, but I see him being in a better tandem with Wade than anybody. Wade single handedly won that title in 06 I believe and giving him Bosh, plus another player, they would challenge Orlando and Boston in the east.

marlinsfan24
06-20-2010, 09:58 AM
Even with Amare, the Heat still need another piece. Maybe someone like Tmac to be the 3rd wheel.

I agree with this. I guarantee T-Mac will be back next season and much better.

marlinsfan24
06-20-2010, 09:58 AM
I think Amare>Bosh honestly.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-20-2010, 10:03 AM
good i knew this for months now because heat arent getting bosh so its amare which with wade isnt horrible..Pick and roll with wade and amare would be good..Just resign oneil to a cheap contract as a C and your defence isnt bad...Sign anthony morrow or a 3 point specialist at PG OR SF and wam bam thank you mam

Eagles4Lyfe
06-20-2010, 10:04 AM
I think Amare>Bosh honestly.

:facepalm:..No way near the skills bosh has no where..Bosh has a better drive better shooter better rebounder and a better defender..Unless your joking then i understand:p

SwaggaIke
06-20-2010, 11:38 AM
Only a fool would take Amare over Chris Bosh. Exactly how many rebounds did Amare average in the WCF? He made Lamar Odom look like Kevin McHale.

Wade_County
06-20-2010, 02:22 PM
I would, I think amare is better then bosh he is a better overall player down low in a riley system

that said we have the cap space easily to sign both and wade :)

i agree

Wade_County
06-20-2010, 02:23 PM
Even with Amare, the Heat still need another piece. Maybe someone like Tmac to be the 3rd wheel.

yup, JJ.

PHX2daDEATH
06-20-2010, 04:57 PM
The Heat would also need a new coach..its the like the one they have has an Ear-piece connected to Pat Riley in the owners box..

king4day
06-20-2010, 06:31 PM
his reasons are no different than a typical fan. Let me create a thread saying I'm 'convinced' he's not going to Miami and run with that.
Not thread worthy IMO.

JordansBulls
06-21-2010, 12:41 AM
Agree.. Bosh will wind up going to the Heat..

then trade Beasley & Chalmers to the Spurs for Tony Parker.

Then sign B.Haywood

C) Haywood
PF) Bosh
SF) D.Wright
SG) Wade
PG) T.Parker

Bosh and Bron in Chi-town.:)

Tony_Starks
06-21-2010, 01:36 AM
Does Amare realize that he will never play with anyone that will set the table for him the way Steve Nash does? That if he leaves he'll have to get his own shot in the post now and his production will decline?

Without Steve Nash I wouldn't even offer him the max... its skeptical to say if he's a max player even with Nash!

abe_froman
06-21-2010, 02:01 AM
his reasons are no different than a typical fan. Let me create a thread saying I'm 'convinced' he's not going to Miami and run with that.
Not thread worthy IMO.

yers but sonny vaccaro has more credibility/more insight on these matters because of who he is

ldc62
06-21-2010, 02:16 AM
I think Amare>Bosh honestly.

You mean Bosh+Jose < Nash+Amare. But Bosh > Amare. Seriously Nash is the best at setting guys up. Amare's FG% was worst than Bosh's in pick and roll stats..... that has to be saying something. But w.e. ignore that irrelevant stat. Bosh still gets better numbers....

ldc62
06-21-2010, 02:18 AM
Does Amare realize that he will never play with anyone that will set the table for him the way Steve Nash does? That if he leaves he'll have to get his own shot in the post now and his production will decline?

Without Steve Nash I wouldn't even offer him the max... its skeptical to say if he's a max player even with Nash!

Finally someone sees this... Mark my words: Whoever gives him a max and then not pair him up with Wade or Lebron will regret it in 2 years.

Akshay
06-21-2010, 02:19 AM
Weren't they "convinced" this past trade deadline also, guess what happened there.