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JJ_JKidd
06-18-2010, 12:37 AM
Do you agree? What if it was Ariza in place of Ron?

mpballer92
06-18-2010, 12:39 AM
Agreed.

All I can say is... Trevor who?

THE MTL
06-18-2010, 12:40 AM
Ron Artest has been crap for the majority of the series as well as majority of the playoffs. He has missed countless wide open three point shots that Ariza would have made. If Ariza was on the Lakers, iono if it would have been a Game 7.

But either way, Artest was DEF the hero in Game 7.

iggypop123
06-18-2010, 12:41 AM
same thing as last year. both were bricking shots but both stepped up when it mattered

x_notorious
06-18-2010, 12:42 AM
Hard to say. Offensively, Ariza could have helped the Lakers much more than Artest but I seriously doubt Ariza could hold Pierce to under 20 PPG.

b0nk
06-18-2010, 12:42 AM
i think so. for some other playoff matchups maybe Ariza would have been better... but for this Finals Artest > Ariza. Peirce would've had his way with ariza

PlezPlayDKnicks
06-18-2010, 12:43 AM
i agree. But it was his defense.. Peirce never really exploded on the Lakers...

td0tsfinest
06-18-2010, 12:43 AM
Artest did hit a big three. But the person your missing in your equation is the Psychiatrist.

Artest, No Psychiatrist = Crazy Ron

mpballer92
06-18-2010, 12:44 AM
It was Artest's defense that made himself so special through out.. you replace him with Ariza, we might have very well lost.

Geargo Wallace
06-18-2010, 12:44 AM
Ariza would have done the same **** if not better. Just cuz Ron showed up this game doesn't mean ****.

*Superman*
06-18-2010, 12:45 AM
No. They might not have needed a Game 7 if Ariza was there. Ron came up huge though.

chrism8188
06-18-2010, 12:47 AM
Artest did hit a big three. But the person your missing in your equation is the Psychiatrist.

Artest, No Psychiatrist = Crazy Ron

Best thing I heard lol made my day

JJ_JKidd
06-18-2010, 12:55 AM
Ariza can NO WAY defend Pierce as well as Ronnie did for the SERIES!

rhino17
06-18-2010, 01:01 AM
ABsolutely

Ariza can't cover a turtle one on one, he would have been abused. Offensively, Ariza can't hit an open shot, he was among the worst outside shooters in the NBA this season. Artest is better in every aspect of the game

boriquaabe
06-18-2010, 01:02 AM
No it's more like this. Perkins plays no ring for LA. The C's got hammered on the boards.

JJ_JKidd
06-18-2010, 01:04 AM
No it's more like this. Perkins plays no ring for LA. The C's got hammered on the boards.

No its more like this: Bynum plays in '08 no ring for BOSTON.

boriquaabe
06-18-2010, 01:07 AM
No its more like this: Bynum plays in '08 no ring for BOSTON.

Not buying it. Pierce still would have torched Ariza.

fishedz
06-18-2010, 01:10 AM
Not buying it. Pierce still would have torched Ariza.

Bynum had his knee drained twice...excuses can be made either way, not buyin yours.


Artest pwned Pierce the whole series, Ariza wouldn't have had a chance but might have contributed a little more offensively.

GOON MUSIC
06-18-2010, 01:10 AM
lol @ trevors percentages this season

x_notorious
06-18-2010, 01:12 AM
Not buying it. Pierce still would have torched Ariza.

He barely played due to injury. Pierce did whatever he wanted to against Walton and Space Cadet.

dodie53
06-18-2010, 01:12 AM
Artest did hit a big three. But the person your missing in your equation is the Psychiatrist.

Artest, No Psychiatrist = Crazy Ron

hahahaha
:D

boriquaabe
06-18-2010, 01:13 AM
Bynum had his knee drained twice...excuses can be made either way, not buyin yours.


Artest pwned Pierce the whole series, Ariza wouldn't have had a chance but might have contributed a little more offensively.

Just let's see if you can answer my questions:

Is Perkins not the best rebounder for the C's?

How much of game 6 did he play?

Did he play game 7?

Were the C's out rebounded by a large margin?

Giaps
06-18-2010, 01:13 AM
Is anybody watching Artest's interview on NBA TV right now? I love the guy, but my man looks and sounds like he's on drugs right now lol

GOON MUSIC
06-18-2010, 01:14 AM
Is anybody watching Artest's interview on NBA TV right now? I love the guy, but my man looks and sounds like he's on drugs right now lol

yeahhh man hes talkin crazy

bout to start rapping now

Statik1
06-18-2010, 01:20 AM
Crazy how Artest came to the rescue in the WCF and in the FINALS .... Played like crap to start each series and then played amazing when it really counted. Cant say anything more about Artest..... He had one hell of a NBA playsoffs the good the bad and then the GREAT!

Black24Momba8
06-18-2010, 01:23 AM
big ups to Ron Ron never given up no matter how bad he played he gave his all on D great job I have to agree

Teeboy1487
06-18-2010, 01:29 AM
Crazy Ron alert. OMG. He is nuts :laugh2:.

Lakers211221
06-18-2010, 01:32 AM
Is Ron drunk off of champaign right now? Is anyone else seeing this interview?

Seamhead
06-18-2010, 02:26 AM
Find a video of his interview!

tredigs
06-18-2010, 02:29 AM
Without Artest, I really think they may have lost in the first round to the Thunder. Besides that, I think the Lakers take it regardless. Despite his solid defense (which had some lapses), he was pretty horrible up until game 7 in these finals.

But all things considered? He validated the pick-up by taking it to the Celtics in the most important game of the year. He went from bust to solid contributer in a matter of 48 game minutes.

RISE ABOVE
06-18-2010, 02:53 AM
He was the player of the game & they wouldn't have won tonight without him!

Chronz
06-18-2010, 04:09 AM
They wouldve won by game 6 with Ariza

JJ_JKidd
06-18-2010, 06:39 AM
"......Im blessed and I totally forgot the question you asked." (after being asked by a reporter). My new favorite LAKER.. RON RON!

jetsfan28
06-18-2010, 07:46 AM
It's amazing that 1 decent playoffs shooting the ball made people think Ariza is a good shooter when there's a ton of evidence suggesting otherwise.

GspLAL
06-18-2010, 07:51 AM
It's amazing that 1 decent playoffs shooting the ball made people think Ariza is a good shooter when there's a ton of evidence suggesting otherwise.

50k posts :speechless:

The Raven
06-19-2010, 08:30 AM
I think we would of still made it to the finals. The defense though imo would take a big drop off since it seems Ariza cant guard Pierce while Ron Ron plays excellent D. so it'd be a toss up

sventhedog
06-19-2010, 08:37 AM
agreed. but it is what it is. people might say kobe didn't deserve it or mj didn't deserve this or that. we might have threads like no pippen = no title, no manu = no title, or no mbenga = no title.

this what-if ariza or artest has been mentioned a thousand times this season. it's just impossible to turn back time and undo what has happened. had ariza played in the regular season, he might have hit kobe and gasol in the eye at the same time while going for a steal. since his arms and fingers are so long, he almost poked their brains. kobe and gasol would've been blind by now. agreed?

if you went to wonderland, you're expecting a fairy tale.

NBA-GMaster
06-19-2010, 10:31 AM
Hmm. Maybe.. Lakers must be happy for not facing the Cavs or the Magic in the playoffs...
Congratulations Los Angeles Lakers!! Champions of 2009-2010

JasonJohnHorn
06-19-2010, 10:34 AM
Ariza did a great job for the Lakers last year, hit some big threes, played great D and I think was more consistent than Artest, though he wouldn't have had a game like Artest's game 7, he also like would not have only put up 2 points in a single game. I think he would have been more consistent and potentially allowed L.A. to close the series out earlier, but Artest more than made up for whatever shortcomings his inconsistencies brought to the table with his performance in game 7, and shooting well or not, Artest would have played better D than Ariza, though Ariza is a solid defender in his own right.

GeekInThePink
06-19-2010, 10:56 AM
Ariz
a would have done the same **** if not better. Just cuz Ron showed up this game doesn't mean ****.

are you retarted? I get the point that he didn't show up all series except for this game, but his performance in game 7 pretty much won the Lakers the game, which won the the championship.
:facepalm:

Hawkeye15
06-19-2010, 10:59 AM
difficult to say. Artest laid an egg much of the series, but came up huge in game 7. So its impossible to predict what the swap would have produced.

albertc86
06-19-2010, 11:07 AM
Ron Artest is an upgrade from Ariza. Artest, overall, probably played terrible offensively but defensively he was solid. Pierce would've had his way with Ariza... No question about it. Pierce is a strong dude... It takes an Artest to make him play terrible.

cHi8DaL5LA420
06-19-2010, 11:50 AM
DISAGREE... it comes down the Lakers not making alot of their easy shots. they shot horrible.. granted artest played a great defensive game, it would've been a blow out if they would've made their shots, but he is not the reason we won, it was a team effort.

DCB/LAL
06-19-2010, 11:57 AM
Artest came up huge in games 6 and 7 and a guy who doesn't get credit much if any is LAMAR ODOM the guy finally decided to make an appearance in games 6 and 7 and he came up pretty big and made some big plays.

albertc86
06-19-2010, 11:59 AM
Artest came up huge in games 6 and 7 and a guy who doesn't get credit much if any is LAMAR ODOM the guy finally decided to make an appearance in games 6 and 7 and he came up pretty big and made some big plays.

Completely agree. Odom did step up the last 2 games; he deserves a lot of credit despite being a disappearing act.

hype707
06-19-2010, 12:05 PM
they still win

albertc86
06-19-2010, 12:11 PM
Ariza is a solid defender but he isn't a lockdown defender like Artest is. Ariza is more of a gambler than a guy who's going to make shots difficult for you; although, his length does cause problems. Pierce would've had a field day against Ariza. As we saw, he struggled against Artest, because Artest was able to match his strength.

ManningToTyree
06-19-2010, 12:27 PM
09- Ariza's Lakers were champs
10- Artest's Lakers are champs

I believe thats a tie

sep11ie
06-19-2010, 12:43 PM
i agree. But it was his defense.. Peirce never really exploded on the Lakers...

He never really exploded on anyone this playoffs.

Lakersho
06-19-2010, 01:16 PM
No. They might not have needed a Game 7 if Ariza was there. Ron came up huge though.

...what people dont think about is the thunder series : ron kicked durants arse all series long , durant was hot going into the first round ,ron made life so hard on him he couldn't go off. hate to say thunder gave us real ****ing problems with thier speed and youth not leaving out thier shooting acc. by ron locking durant down we could work on the others , ariza wouldn't stand a chance against durant. we could've lost the series if durant had his "A " game on... ron is definate upgrade we dont need him to score 20 every nite. his def. is priceless...

still1ballin
06-19-2010, 01:18 PM
Its a team effort

Kakaroach
06-19-2010, 01:23 PM
I don't know about no ring, but he is the perfect match-up against Paul Pierce and Kevin Durant. He can play those guys because he's got more quickness but still has the strength to guard Pierce and he bodied up Kevin Durant all series long. So he certainly did help in that department.

OnslaughtXX6
06-19-2010, 01:37 PM
Its a team effort

Yi

omdigga
06-19-2010, 01:51 PM
i dont think they could have one without artest.. he brought toughness to that team, which they desperately needed against boston.. ariza is solid, but not as tenacious as ron ron..

omdigga
06-19-2010, 01:52 PM
i dont think they could have one without artest.. he brought toughness to that team, which they desperately needed against boston.. ariza is solid, but not as tenacious as ron ron..

i meant won.. not one.. but u get the point

KB24PG16
06-19-2010, 02:03 PM
yea we needed him to get stops on pierce he had 5 steals and kept us in the game offensively

Lakersho
06-19-2010, 02:17 PM
Hmm. Maybe.. Lakers must be happy for not facing the Cavs or the Magic in the playoffs...
Congratulations Los Angeles Lakers!! Champions of 2009-2010

...we would've beat either of those in 5 or 6 ,celtics have more heart and grit than cavs or magic . celtics were by far tougher...

NYMetros
06-19-2010, 02:21 PM
yea we needed him to get stops on pierce he had 5 steals and won us the game offensively

Fixed.

No way the Lakers win if Ariza was there instead. He's not strong enough to play d on Pierce. Artest is one of the strongest players in the league for the SF position.

natelpete
06-19-2010, 02:30 PM
they wouldn't have been in the finals if it wasn't for artest.. ala kobe airball artest put-back

pcrawley
06-19-2010, 04:03 PM
I disagree. I think they could have won this title with Ariza. At the end of the day it came down to contributions from Kobe and Pau, interior presence from Bynum, leadership from Fish and coaching from Phil. But it was definitely more entertaining to have Ron in the mix...

Bruno
06-19-2010, 05:12 PM
Ron Artest has been crap for the majority of the series as well as majority of the playoffs. He has missed countless wide open three point shots that Ariza would have made. If Ariza was on the Lakers, iono if it would have been a Game 7.

But either way, Artest was DEF the hero in Game 7.

My thoughts exactly. Ariza hit 47% from three in last years playoffs. His ability to spread the floor and slash opened up our paint game, which opened up points in the paint and rebounding.

With that being said Ron had a great game seven. It is what it is.

kblo247
06-19-2010, 08:08 PM
My thoughts exactly. Ariza hit 47% from three in last years playoffs. His ability to spread the floor and slash opened up our paint game, which opened up points in the paint and rebounding.

With that being said Ron had a great game seven. It is what it is.

You do not get past OKC with Kobe hobbled with Ariza. Durant made Trevor his ***** this year, and Pierce made Ariza his ***** last season to the point Luke and Kobe really were the ones on him the majority of the time.

I'll say it. No Ron, no ring.

cav_till_i_die
06-20-2010, 12:02 AM
Agree. That off season move could have killed them, but it did exactly the opposite. He brought them toughness, better defense, and in the end when it mattered shooting.

ko8e24
06-20-2010, 12:06 AM
Agree

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DengelBerry
06-20-2010, 09:06 AM
Agreed