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OBredskin
06-15-2010, 09:03 PM
Although there are varying levels of a bust. I'm wondering if you believe Lamar Odom throughout his career and what we see of him in this years NBA Finals, would you consider him a bust? I kinda think he's a bust, but also can see why I could be disagreed with.

SNYmets86
06-15-2010, 09:06 PM
i wont say he's a bust he's just inconsistent .....

JWO35
06-15-2010, 09:07 PM
No way near a bust....maybe a bust in this years finals. But career wise not at all, if you look at his stats the man had a pretty good career.

beasted86
06-15-2010, 09:09 PM
No.

14/9/4 career averages isn't a bust for a 4th overall player. There are MUCH worse.

jbterrelle
06-15-2010, 09:10 PM
Very inconsistent

OBredskin
06-15-2010, 09:11 PM
Very inconsistent

How very inconsistent does someone need to be before they are a bust?

bahama0811
06-15-2010, 09:11 PM
Michael Olowokandi was a bust. Lamar Odom is not a bust.

Paulliwali
06-15-2010, 09:12 PM
I guess he is a bust considering he has the potential to be better but isn't at that level.

td0tsfinest
06-15-2010, 09:21 PM
He's not a bust. He just hasn't reached the expectation people had of him coming into the league.

Hawkeye15
06-15-2010, 09:24 PM
15/9 career, and a champion. No, he is far from a bust. But he hasn't lived up to what was expected of him

cmellofan15
06-15-2010, 09:25 PM
not Odom, maybe Bryant

PurpleJesus
06-15-2010, 09:47 PM
Being a main piece on a championship team is not cause to be called a bust, having a long productive career is also not cause for being called a bust

The Jokemaker
06-15-2010, 10:00 PM
Oh yeah he's a huge bust. So is Dwight Howard. How has the best C in the league not won a title yet? Got swept in the finals this year and were never close this year. Sickening. And don't even get me started on Lebron!

xabial
06-15-2010, 10:21 PM
I think He took a paycut to stay in LA and the chance win a title over the Heat's MLE. Hes committed to the game.

Burkey3472
06-15-2010, 10:21 PM
He never really lived up to 4th pick but he is no where near a bust.

GodsSon
06-15-2010, 10:30 PM
For his skill-set and the amount of potential he had coming in, yes, he's a bust...but he's still carved out a very good career for himself

boolish
06-15-2010, 11:46 PM
yeah he's a bust with two rings....

td0tsfinest
06-15-2010, 11:49 PM
yeah he's a bust with two rings....

lets not get ahead of ourselves.

cmellofan15
06-15-2010, 11:49 PM
yeah he's a bust with two rings....

doesn't Morrison have a ring?

boolish
06-15-2010, 11:51 PM
doesn't Morrison have a ring?

Odom is a great player who gonna have 2 rings. nuff said....

-Kobe24-TJ19-
06-15-2010, 11:56 PM
15 12 6 guy as a starter, yeah looks like a bust to me:rolleyes:

Kakaroach
06-16-2010, 12:07 AM
Just because he is horribly inconsistent does not mean he is a bust. He has shown he can be a winner on a winning team both in Miami and in LA. Oh yeah and he owns the Jazz every time we face him.

kozelkid
06-16-2010, 12:10 AM
People throw around the term bust far too loosely imo. There's no question he didn't totally live up to expectations. However, he's without a doubt a quality player and one of the best sixth men in the league. Bust is supposed to refer to someone who COMPLETELY fails. Like Kwame Brown, Adam Morrison, Sam Bowie.

ldc62
06-16-2010, 12:12 AM
Hes played with Wade and Bryant (not counting clippers' days), we can't expect him to carry the team and give us 20 a night.

PraiseJesus
06-16-2010, 12:13 AM
People throw around the term bust far too loosely imo. There's no question he didn't totally live up to expectations. However, he's without a doubt a quality player and one of the best sixth men in the league. Bust is supposed to refer to someone who COMPLETELY fails. Like Kwame Brown, Adam Morrison, Sam Bowie.

Also Olowankandi, that guy might be the worst player I ever seen....wait Kwame is worse lol.

Ray_R
06-16-2010, 12:16 AM
Just because he is horribly inconsistent does not mean he is a bust. He has shown he can be a winner on a winning team both in Miami and in LA. Oh yeah and he owns the Jazz every time we face him.

What would we call someone who didnt live up to the hype.

oregonbronco
06-16-2010, 12:21 AM
Being a BLAZER fan i should hate odem, but he is honestly my favorite non blazer in the league. That said he doesn't often play up to his skill level

_KB24_
06-16-2010, 12:30 AM
Just because he is horribly inconsistent does not mean he is a bust. He has shown he can be a winner on a winning team both in Miami and in LA. Oh yeah and he owns the Jazz every time we face him.

But he allows Boozer to have his best games as well against the Lakers :mad:

I've honestly never seen Boozer not rape us on the glass when he plays us. I know I am exaggerating but the guy is seemingly always pulling down 15+ boards against us.

smith&wesson
06-16-2010, 12:40 AM
he is inconsistant because he has soo many players on his team that can bring it every night. he wasnt as inconsistant when he was in miami

Kyben36
06-16-2010, 01:00 AM
IMO, there are very few bust. a bust, IMO, is a player who is suposed to be great, im talking top 3 tallent. if a player like John Wall doesnt pan out, he is a bust, if a player like Turner doesnt pan out, he is a bust, but then you get to the players I like to call High risk players, none of thesep layers are guarenteed to be anything, while top picks should allways be starters. these players have high tendancy to be called bust, but most of them have a long way to go to even become NBA level starters, its hard to call a player like tyrus thomas a bust, when he was never realy considered ready for the nba anyway.

iFYouSeekAmy
06-16-2010, 01:06 AM
Also Olowankandi, that guy might be the worst player I ever seen....wait Kwame is worse lol.

My god.. he was just awful..

Fireworld
06-16-2010, 01:20 AM
Yes, as faa as a starter, bur as a sixth man....he's been ok.

Ryan328
06-16-2010, 01:26 AM
no bust, but like everyone has said, just very inconsistent.

fadedmario
06-16-2010, 02:09 AM
Not a bust. But nothing special.

robdizzle3
06-16-2010, 02:14 AM
He could be very solid if he decided to keep it going for the full 48, but until then, he will be just a good player.

SANDBURG23
07-15-2010, 10:44 PM
No.

14/9/4 career averages isn't a bust for a 4th overall player. There are MUCH worse.

So he didn't live up to where he was dratfed. The Clippers GM made a mistake again.

ChiSox219
07-15-2010, 10:54 PM
he is inconsistant because he has soo many players on his team that can bring it every night. he wasnt as inconsistant when he was in miami

This is true.



I wouldn't even call Odom inconsistent with LA, his game is so diverse and well rounded that he's always contributing in positive manners. He can score and defend inside/outside, he's an excellent passer and ball handler for his size, and he's a very good rebounder.

There's a reason he's usually near the top in APM.

Enemey
07-15-2010, 10:54 PM
I dont know Lamar Odom was a beast in Clippers(his first and only year) his Debutwas like 30points 12 rebounds and in Miami he was good too but in LA he played well but not as great when he was in MIA or LAC because i think he wasnt #1 option in LAL. But he is nowhere near a bust WTF ? He was forced to come off the bench to help LA so his stats are off and yea he is inconstant also.

daleja424
07-15-2010, 10:55 PM
Pat Riley once said this cat reminds him of Magic Johnson. He has that kind of physical gifts. He certainly never lived up to that. Odom has never been more than a role player on the real and people had far higher hopes for him. In that respect he has underachieved.

Melo15
07-15-2010, 10:57 PM
I would say he is a bust. I mean look at the guy he's a freak athlete, a human mismatch one might say and he hasn't really broken through yet. At times he gives us glimpses of just how good he can be and then most of the other time he shows us he just doesn't get it yet.

Avenged
07-15-2010, 11:11 PM
He had so much potential and never lived up to it. He had the potential to be great so I can understand if someone would consider him a bust for not living up to expectations. Even with all of that though, he's still has put up solid numbers for his career and is a big piece to a championship team.

HOZ THE KNICK
07-15-2010, 11:12 PM
he's not a bust just some timey bosh is a lot like him

GSW Hoops
07-15-2010, 11:14 PM
He's not a superstar, but he's not a bust either. For a 4th overall pick, he's had an above-average career. He's probably overpaid for what he adds to the Lakers, but no way is he a bust.

By the way, gotta love a thread resurrected from a month ago :)

ChiSox219
07-15-2010, 11:20 PM
He's not a superstar, but he's not a bust either. For a 4th overall pick, he's had an above-average career. He's probably overpaid for what he adds to the Lakers, but no way is he a bust.

By the way, gotta love a thread resurrected from a month ago :)

Odom is unquestionably underpaid.

GSW Hoops
07-15-2010, 11:26 PM
Odom is unquestionably underpaid.

He's got a hefty contract for a bench player.

40oz
07-15-2010, 11:30 PM
He was a worker till he hollywood.

Enemey
07-15-2010, 11:34 PM
He's got a hefty contract for a bench player.

But plays Starter Mins.

oak2455
07-15-2010, 11:48 PM
Another dumb NBA thread:mad:

Pakfan4Life
07-16-2010, 12:01 AM
So a player who average in Lamar Odom who averages 14 points and 9 rebounds a game is not a bust but a player who average 14 points and 6 rebounds a game is a bust and I'm referring to Michael Beasley? I would say neither are bust but good average players.

kblo247
07-16-2010, 12:05 AM
He basically has a 15/10 average, is a two time champ, one of the best rebounders in LA history and the league, and is the only 6th man to average 11 and 10 off the bench basically. He isn't a bust, just now a superstar.

Also, people need to understand that Odom played with a sprained shoulder left since February and sprained right knee since March but didn't miss a game all year so he was hurt and that limited what he could do on a night to night basis.

kblo247
07-16-2010, 12:06 AM
He was a worker till he hollywood.

Yeah, he sure was one of the best rebounders in the game and more efficent pre-Lakers with how he converted his shots :eyebrow:

netsgiantsyanks
07-16-2010, 12:09 AM
kwame brown and michael olawakandi are busts. lamar odom isnt a bust

shep33
07-16-2010, 12:11 AM
As a Laker fan, a lot of us agree that LO is supremely talented, however, he is so frustrating to watch sometimes because of his inconsistency. Some games he goes for 20, 10 and 5, then others he might have 4, 4, and 2, with no impact whatsoever.


But still, Lamar is a great teammate, rebounder, and is very diverse in that he can grab a rebound and start a break. Just wish he was more consistent.

kblo247
07-16-2010, 12:17 AM
As a Laker fan, a lot of us agree that LO is supremely talented, however, he is so frustrating to watch sometimes because of his inconsistency. Some games he goes for 20, 10 and 5, then others he might have 4, 4, and 2, with no impact whatsoever.


But still, Lamar is a great teammate, rebounder, and is very diverse in that he can grab a rebound and start a break. Just wish he was more consistent.

He is a much more talented Horry, and just like Horry he has the habit of playing himself into shape and turning up his level of play come January and then a notch higher in the postseason, when healthy. Nothing more and nothing less.

SugeKnight
07-16-2010, 12:18 AM
He is a much more talented Horry, and just like Horry he has the habit of playing himself into shape and turning up his level of play come January and then a notch higher in the postseason, when healthy. Nothing more and nothing less.

that sig is sick

kblo247
07-16-2010, 12:35 AM
that sig is sick

thank you

kblo247
07-16-2010, 12:49 AM
This thread made me go look up his rankings in Laker history, and he is the second best PF in their history so that must say something about him.

smith&wesson
07-16-2010, 01:10 AM
This is true.



I wouldn't even call Odom inconsistent with LA, his game is so diverse and well rounded that he's always contributing in positive manners. He can score and defend inside/outside, he's an excellent passer and ball handler for his size, and he's a very good rebounder.

There's a reason he's usually near the top in APM.



also, he is one of the focal points on the team after kobe and gasol. you cant call a 3rd option on the floor a bust when the team has won mulit ships

xbrackattackx
07-16-2010, 01:13 AM
His number would shoot up if he wasn't a bench player or starting on another team, The Big 3 would do just as well if you replace Bosh with Odom.

raidersrock99
07-16-2010, 01:14 AM
not a bust at all

rocky4104
07-16-2010, 01:14 AM
He's not a bust. He just hasn't reached the expectation people had of him coming into the league.

could playing with bryant be a cause for this? that guy demands (not saying unjustified) a lot of the ball

oakland21
07-16-2010, 01:15 AM
Lamar is not a bust at all. He could be starting on other teams.

REALLYYYYY?
07-16-2010, 01:15 AM
i wont say he's a bust he's just inconsistent .....

I agree. It seems like the issue is that he sometimes does a great job and thus gets people's hopes up. He then follows up an impressive game with an unimpressive game, leading to disappointment.

Cool avatar, by the way. It's the We Are Change logo, right?

Gambeezy
07-16-2010, 01:16 AM
No way. A very productive player throughout his career and a proven winner and contributor. I enjoyed his time with the Heat and am happy to see him having a successful career in L.A.

austinmh96
07-16-2010, 01:24 AM
In ways he is a bust, considering he has the talent to be the leader of a team and be a perenial all-star. I feel like he didnt work hard enough to be "that" player. He always wanted to be a sidekick for a team or a super role player. He had the potential but when it comes down to it, he never wanted to take the "Big Shot." Is he a bust? Probably not. But, could he have been better then he his? Yes, definetly.

_KB24_
07-16-2010, 01:24 AM
This thread made me go look up his rankings in Laker history, and he is the second best PF in their history so that must say something about him.

Hell no. AC Green is MILES ahead of him and depending on who your first is, Baylor/Gasol are ahead of him as well (Baylor actually played most of his career as a PF).

BkOriginalOne
07-16-2010, 01:25 AM
I think you meant to say "Oden".
Easy mistake.

Tony_Starks
07-16-2010, 01:26 AM
Hell no. Very respectable career numbers, one of the most versatile players in the league, 2 time champion... he's good!

Now Chloe, SHES a bust!

40oz
07-16-2010, 01:28 AM
It seems we stepped off the path, he gots the goods, but isnt as focused as he should.

Gambeezy
07-16-2010, 01:32 AM
This thread made me go look up his rankings in Laker history, and he is the second best PF in their history so that must say something about him.

I lol'd your sig. It really is hilarious. I loved the Jimmy Kimmel clip of Morrison Highlights

starts at :40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIhmV9h_R1o&feature=channel

Another one of my personal favorites. Heart of a lion.
starts at :25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOtoLUec_zE

kblo247
07-16-2010, 01:48 AM
Hell no. AC Green is MILES ahead of him and depending on who your first is, Baylor/Gasol are ahead of him as well (Baylor actually played most of his career as a PF).

Lamar is simply better than AC Green with all due respect to the ironman and his celibacy.

I think of Elgin as the best SF ever to be a Laker and Pau as the best PF kind of by default as that has been the weakest spot LA has had historically.

kblo247
07-16-2010, 01:49 AM
I lol'd your sig. It really is hilarious. I loved the Jimmy Kimmel clip of Morrison Highlights

starts at :40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIhmV9h_R1o&feature=channel

Another one of my personal favorites. Heart of a lion.
starts at :25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOtoLUec_zE

I sometimes wonder if he is truly "baked" myself.

I still think it had to be weird to play (sit, cheer on, and travel in his case) with the guy who made you cry and posted a pic of it (Farmar) and the guy who crossed you up to the point your knee blew out on you (Walton).

Tony_Starks
07-16-2010, 02:08 AM
Lamar is simply better than AC Green with all due respect to the ironman and his celibacy. I think of Elgin as the best SF ever to be a Laker and Pau as the best PF kind of by default as that has been the weakest spot LA has had historically.



Hahahaha! Its funy thats like his claim to fame!

kblo247
07-16-2010, 02:19 AM
Hahahaha! Its funy thats like his claim to fame!

I guess it beats it being skittles; who I'm kidding I couldn't keep up the last part of AC's deal for that long.

8kobe24
07-16-2010, 02:20 AM
No way LO is a bust, he might be inconsistent, but his all around game is a big asset for the Lakers. Just because you don't have a good finals series dont make you a bust.

Nets fan 93
07-16-2010, 02:23 AM
It depends... do you think Sheed is?

dimedrpr
07-16-2010, 02:37 AM
Hell No he's not a bust. He's contributed in a big way to winning NBA championships for the Lakers. If he was on another team right now he would be putting up bigger numbers but he is willing to take a reduced role to win. Just because a guy isn't a HOF Superstar doesn't mean he's a bust. Odom has made a nice career for himself and a lot of teams would love to have the guy. This is kind of a lame thread really.

Kobe5RingKing
07-16-2010, 02:41 AM
Odom= Bust

Anyone rember what big baby did 2 him in the finals?

Yeah he was TERRIBLE all year including playoffs

Kobe5RingKing
07-16-2010, 02:42 AM
It depends... do you think Sheed is?

Sheed was always good just his age has caught up 2 him

kblo247
07-16-2010, 02:51 AM
Sheed was always good just his age has caught up 2 him

You understand that Odom's career numbers are better, that he has won more, and outperformed him in a 6th man role as well despite Sheed having more god given talent right? :eyebrow:

hype707
07-16-2010, 02:54 AM
not a bust

THE MTL
07-16-2010, 02:55 AM
He hasnt lived up to expectations. Yes, he is a "star bench player". but seriously is that supposed to be the destiny of such a high pick. Odom should be 2nd option or AT LEAST 4rd on a good team and on the Lakers he is like 5th/6th.

Put him on a team not surrounded by Gasol, Bynum, Bryant, Artest/Ariza......and see how bad he truly is. When the defense can actually worry about him

dimedrpr
07-16-2010, 03:31 AM
He hasnt lived up to expectations. Yes, he is a "star bench player". but seriously is that supposed to be the destiny of such a high pick. Odom should be 2nd option or AT LEAST 4rd on a good team and on the Lakers he is like 5th/6th.

Put him on a team not surrounded by Gasol, Bynum, Bryant, Artest/Ariza......and see how bad he truly is. When the defense can actually worry about him


You mean like when he was in Miami and put up 17ppg 10reb 4assts?

The guy still averages a double double with a steal per and almost a block per in 30 minutes. He's a lefty who can bring the ball up the court to break pressure, an excellent passer, and he can score in multiple ways.

dimedrpr
07-16-2010, 03:40 AM
He never really lived up to 4th pick but he is no where near a bust.

Here are the #4 picks in the draft since 1990. There are plenty of guys on this list that wish they had LO's career. CP3 is the best player drafted at the 4 spot in the last 20 years and as you can see there aren't a bunch of superstars on this list. Some nice players and some guys with potential still like Tyreke and Russ but it's not like there a bunch of guys who dominated.

Year No. 4 pick

2009 Tyreke Evans
2008 Russell Westbrook
2007 Mike Conley
2006 Tyrus Thomas
2005 Chris Paul
2004 Shaun Livingston
2003 Chris Bosh
2002 Drew Gooden
2001 Eddy Curry
2000 Marcus Fizer
1999 Lamar Odom
1998 Antawn Jamison
1997 Antonio Daniels
1996 Stephon Marbury
1995 Rasheed Wallace
1994 Donyell Marshall
1993 Jamal Mashburn
1992 Jim Jackson
1991 Dikembe Mutombo
1990 Dennis Scott

Iron24th
07-16-2010, 03:48 AM
No.

14/9/4 career averages isn't a bust for a 4th overall player. There are MUCH worse.

This. :facepalm: thread

_KB24_
07-16-2010, 03:48 AM
Lamar is simply better than AC Green with all due respect to the ironman and his celibacy.

I think of Elgin as the best SF ever to be a Laker and Pau as the best PF kind of by default as that has been the weakest spot LA has had historically.

I'll leave the AC thing alone, I hold the guy with very high respect. Met him numerous times in Westwood and in Portland.

But Pau can't be the best PF dude. The fact is Baylor was a PF and it's not even a fair competition between the two. And even if we're only talking about forwards, Worthy gets the nod ahead of him as well. They both did more for the Lakers than Gasol.

C_Mund
07-16-2010, 04:03 AM
Odom is a transcendent player. He can play any spot on the floor when the time calls, and he plays very smart d. There's a reason that Kobe didn't win a 'chip with Gasol alone, and that reason is Lamar.

Enemey
07-16-2010, 04:15 AM
Odom is a transcendent player. He can play any spot on the floor when the time calls, and he plays very smart d. There's a reason that Kobe didn't win a 'chip with Gasol alone, and that reason is Lamar.

Im not sure i got this and i might have gotten it wrong but LO was with kobe since 2005 and pau joined in 2008. again i dont know what you're talking about.

TheHeat3
07-16-2010, 04:18 AM
I don't think he's a bust at all. He's a very talented player that any team would want to have. It's not his fault he was drafted number 4 overall.

Korman12
07-16-2010, 04:57 AM
Not a bust at all.

If anyone thinks he's anything close to it, then they do not understand what it is to be a crappy NBA player.

mlisica19
07-16-2010, 05:15 AM
ask the lakers who had won 2 rings with him

USMCLaker
07-16-2010, 06:04 AM
Although there are varying levels of a bust. I'm wondering if you believe Lamar Odom throughout his career and what we see of him in this years NBA Finals, would you consider him a bust? I kinda think he's a bust, but also can see why I could be disagreed with.

Is Lamar Odom a bust if you're offering a trade than no he is one of the most crucial components to a championship team if you're just asking because you're curious than no he's a good role player that may or may not show up when you need him.

magichatnumber9
07-16-2010, 06:21 AM
Lamar is not a bust.

COBY KARL
07-16-2010, 06:42 AM
This thread is a Bust

JasonJohnHorn
07-16-2010, 07:01 AM
Dude has helped his team win two titles and get to three NBA finals. He was the man for the Clippers, getting blocks, steals, boards, assists, and scoring.

In Miami he helped his team get to the second round, and has been mature enough to take a role coming off the bench to help his team. He would be a first or second option for most teams in the league, he just happens to play on a deep team. Everybody's stats take a hit when you play on a deep team. Kobe is posting 35 points a game anymore, but its not because he cant, it because his team needs him to do other things.