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Purch
06-12-2010, 08:29 AM
You know like the Boozer's and the Brand's the players that can give you 20-10 on a nightly basis

avrpatsfan
06-12-2010, 08:41 AM
Yes but he won't.

97NYer
06-12-2010, 10:18 AM
Yes but he should be playing SF. The Hawks with a center and an upgrade at PG would be great.

Bibby or better
JJ
Smith
Horford
Center

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 10:28 AM
don't think so, not outside a rare season here or there. He is one of the better two way players in the league, and very versatile. But he isn't a go to scoring threat on a nightly basis. Whomever said he should shift to SF, you do realize how bad of an outside shooter he is, right? He didnt even hit a three pointer last year. Smith is a very good player, but will probably stay around the 18/9/4/2 area throughout his prime.

Black24Momba8
06-12-2010, 10:41 AM
no. he dont have the skill set to avg 20 a game

Kakaroach
06-12-2010, 10:45 AM
What Hawkeye said, he just doesn't have the offense ability to do it yet. Most of his points come in transition or as put-backs. His jumper is very questionable and he doesn't have the post moves or size to take anyone down on the block.

He can sure average 10 rebounds a game, but 20 points is far off. He has the potential though.

ugafan
06-12-2010, 02:12 PM
No, doesn't have the ability or work ethic.

iFYouSeekAmy
06-12-2010, 02:14 PM
If he plays for the Warriors 35+ minutes per game.

Sadds The Gr8
06-12-2010, 02:21 PM
20+10...no.

Niro
06-12-2010, 02:22 PM
potenial yes sure if he will ever do it is another question

superkegger
06-12-2010, 02:25 PM
I don't think he has a lot of potentail left. He's going to be 25 and in his 7th year, and has never been really all that close to 20 and 10. He is what he is at this point.

Maybe on a team where he's the main guy, he could do 20-10, but that team probably wouldn't be that good.

Iodine
06-12-2010, 02:27 PM
No.... Just no.........

LeBroom
06-12-2010, 02:38 PM
If Joe Johnson doesn't come back, he could be featured as the main guy in Atlanta.. So I think there's a slim chance he could.

fadedmario
06-12-2010, 02:57 PM
No. If he was at 20, 10 guy, it would have already happened (even with JJ). That doesn't make him any less valuable though.

Jeff559
06-12-2010, 03:01 PM
not unless the situation is perfect. a bad team where he is the number one option on offense and on the boards, with a point guard to feed him the ball.

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 03:15 PM
If Joe Johnson doesn't come back, he could be featured as the main guy in Atlanta.. So I think there's a slim chance he could.

This. If he can get a triple double when JJ is on his team in any game like he has, I think as the main guy, he could average 20 and 10. Now will the Hawks win with that is another question. But he can average that as the main guy easy.

Iodine
06-12-2010, 03:32 PM
This. If he can get a triple double when JJ is on his team in any game like he has, I think as the main guy, he could average 20 and 10. Now will the Hawks win with that is another question. But he can average that as the main guy easy.

If it was so easy why did less than 13 players do it last season?

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 03:41 PM
If it was so easy why did less than 13 players do it last season?

Dude averaged 15.7 / 8.7 / 4.2 with that being the 3rd option in a guard iso team.

I can't speak for other people's teams, but having watched Hawks season in and season out, if Josh Smith was the "main" guy of the offense last year and not watching JJ iso every play, Josh Smith can average 20/10.

I'm not saying we could win games with him doing it, but he can average that being the main guy on a team like Lebron averages his numbers. It's because he has the ball in his hands most of the time.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 03:42 PM
Dude averaged 15.7 / 8.7 / 4.2 with that being the 3rd option in a guard iso team.

I can't speak for other people's teams, but having watched Hawks season in and season out, if Josh Smith was the "main" guy of the offense last year and not watching JJ iso every play, Josh Smith can average 20/10.

do you also agree, that if Josh Smith is your main guy, you don't win 40 games?

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 03:44 PM
do you also agree, that if Josh Smith is your main guy, you don't win 40 games?

read above, I wasn't finished. What is your team anyways? All I see of you is you hating on other people's fav teams.

superkegger
06-12-2010, 03:44 PM
Dude averaged 15.7 / 8.7 / 4.2 with that being the 3rd option in a guard iso team.

I can't speak for other people's teams, but having watched Hawks season in and season out, if Josh Smith was the "main" guy of the offense last year and not watching JJ iso every play, Josh Smith can average 20/10.

I'm not saying we could win games with him doing it, but he can average that being the main guy on a team like Lebron averages his numbers. It's because he has the ball in his hands most of the time.

What type of offense they run shouldn't affect his rebound numbers.

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 03:46 PM
What type of offense they run shouldn't affect his rebound numbers.

Okay.............. he averaged almost 9 a game. You don't think he can grab 1 more?:rolleyes:

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 03:47 PM
read above, I wasn't finished. What is your team anyways? All I see of you is you hating on other people's fav teams.

didn't see your edit. And I am not hating in the least. I was giving my honest opinion of Josh Smith, read the first page where I claim him as one of the best two way players.
I don't hate dude, I post with nonbias and rational when posters make a thread off of one game, or one matchup, etc. PSD is the home of fans overevaluating their players.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 03:48 PM
and sorry, if Josh Smith is your #1 guy, he would get 20/10 on horrible efficiency, and his team wouldn't win 40 games.

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 03:50 PM
and sorry, if Josh Smith is your #1 guy, he would get 20/10 on horrible efficiency, and his team wouldn't win 40 games.

I agree and sorry.

I agree we wouldn't be good, but the question was 20/10 and I believe he can, but again we would suck. It would be like Warriors numbers. Sorry Warriors fans.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 03:55 PM
I agree and sorry.

I agree we wouldn't be good, but the question was 20/10 and I believe he can, but again we would suck. It would be like Warriors numbers. Sorry Warriors fans.

well, Atlanta wasn't even top 10 in pace. If they played at GS's pace, you could figure he would get more looks, and in transition, Smith is a nightmare.
And yeah, he COULD average 20/10 on the Wolves from last year for instance. Which is my team btw. FML

Iodine
06-12-2010, 03:56 PM
And yeah, he COULD average 20/10 on the Wolves from last year for instance. Which is my team btw. FML

Kevin Love to the spurs plz

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 03:56 PM
well, Atlanta wasn't even top 10 in pace. If they played at GS's pace, you could figure he would get more looks, and in transition, Smith is a nightmare.
And yeah, he COULD average 20/10 on the Wolves from last year for instance. Which is my team btw. FML

I'm a Hawks fan, but I actually like watching the Wolves alot for some reason. I hope you all do well in the draft and next season.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 04:03 PM
Kevin Love to the spurs plz

for George Hill. I want the Wolves to completely take over the world with PG's

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 04:04 PM
I'm a Hawks fan, but I actually like watching the Wolves alot for some reason. I hope you all do well in the draft and next season.

I like the Hawks too. Could barely watch them roll over in the playoffs. Would you be upset if JJ leaves?

Iodine
06-12-2010, 04:04 PM
for George Hill. I want the Wolves to completely take over the world with PG's

What if they start 5 PG's in the future?

Bill Walton would orgasm at the passing

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 04:06 PM
I like the Hawks too. Could barely watch them roll over in the playoffs. Would you be upset if JJ leaves?

Half of me would care if JJ leaves, because we would fall again and that sucks, but on the other hand, he is almost 30 and giving him Max would set us back unless somehow we can trade for another star to play with him. So I prob won't be upset as long as we draft a SG and not overpay a free agent like Salmons.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 04:11 PM
Half of me would care if JJ leaves, because we would fall again and that sucks, but on the other hand, he is almost 30 and giving him Max would set us back unless somehow we can trade for another star to play with him. So I prob won't be upset as long as we draft a SG and not overpay a free agent like Salmons.

kinda agree. JJ would take all available payroll, and not even leave you enough after Crawford expires, to chase another star, and JJ has not shown the ability to be the #1 on a contender. I think you let him walk, try and sign a 2nd tier FA, trade your pick with Teague to move up 7-8 spots, grab a SG, and then when Crawford falls off, spend some money.

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 04:16 PM
kinda agree. JJ would take all available payroll, and not even leave you enough after Crawford expires, to chase another star, and JJ has not shown the ability to be the #1 on a contender. I think you let him walk, try and sign a 2nd tier FA, trade your pick with Teague to move up 7-8 spots, grab a SG, and then when Crawford falls off, spend some money.

I am hoping in the draft we are able to get one of the 2 guys that I would like to have in Paul George or Terrico White, but George is projected in the top 15. Also George is more of a SF.

I think Paul George would be good on the T'Wolves as well, though I think you guys might go big and he might be a reach at #4, unless you all do a trade including Jefferson.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 04:21 PM
I think the Wolves are going to do anything they can to grab Turner, otherwise trade down and grab assets

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 04:21 PM
George scares me. How does a player who is projected in the lottery disappear for games at a time facing the competition he saw?

Iodine
06-12-2010, 04:23 PM
I think the Wolves are going to do anything they can to grab Turner, otherwise trade down and grab assets

Turner= sex

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 04:23 PM
I think the Wolves are going to do anything they can to grab Turner, otherwise trade down and grab assets

I could see that too. They need a consistent scorer.

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 04:25 PM
George scares me. How does a player who is projected in the lottery disappear for games at a time facing the competition he saw?

I agree. Comparisons are drawn to Joe Johnson, but I see Marvin Williams, and that does scare me, seeing it can go either way.

I am more on the Terrico White bandwagon, which isn't really a bandwagon I don't think, its just me that I know of.:D

DerekRE_3
06-12-2010, 04:27 PM
don't think so, not outside a rare season here or there. He is one of the better two way players in the league, and very versatile. But he isn't a go to scoring threat on a nightly basis. Whomever said he should shift to SF, you do realize how bad of an outside shooter he is, right? He didnt even hit a three pointer last year. Smith is a very good player, but will probably stay around the 18/9/4/2 area throughout his prime.

His handle would also need work.

jackdawson
06-12-2010, 04:52 PM
If he plays for Don Nelson or D'Antonie, YES.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 04:53 PM
I agree. Comparisons are drawn to Joe Johnson, but I see Marvin Williams, and that does scare me, seeing it can go either way.

I am more on the Terrico White bandwagon, which isn't really a bandwagon I don't think, its just me that I know of.:D

is that the kid from Mississippi? I watched him play just once this year, don't remember much about him. Didn't look big enough to play SG in the NBA, but there have been plenty guys who can play the wing at 6'4"

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 04:54 PM
If he plays for Don Nelson or D'Antonie, YES.

before a Knicks fan even comes in here and bashes you, the Knicks weren't even top 10 in pace this season. D'Antonio slowed it down a bit

Purch
06-12-2010, 05:22 PM
Lol how did this turn into an Evan Turner discussion

IversonIsKrazy
06-12-2010, 06:53 PM
*HAD* the potential yes. Don't see it happening no more, unless he plays in an up-tempo place, i.e, PHX, NYK, GSW

Bruno
06-12-2010, 07:05 PM
He could, I dont see him doing it with the equally dispersed level of talent around him on the Hawks. They have a weird make up- no superstar, but four guys who are all very good players. I think theyre too balanced for Smith to average 20-10 but he could do it with a different team.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-12-2010, 08:14 PM
He should be a SF IMO.

slamfan4life
06-12-2010, 08:14 PM
hell yeah, this dude is crazy good

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 08:30 PM
He should be a SF IMO.

SF's should shoot better than 29% outside though

The Jokemaker
06-12-2010, 08:30 PM
I think he could defninitely average 20-10 but it depends on his supporting cast and offensive style. If he's in a fast transition style game where he is the top 1 or 2 option, yeah he will get 20-10 easy. If he's the 4th option on a halfcourt team, not so much. On the hawks next season, I think he could go 20-10 IF he improves his jumpshot and JJ leaves thus elevating Josh Smith to a higher role in the offense.

BkOriginalOne
06-12-2010, 08:43 PM
no

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 09:05 PM
is that the kid from Mississippi? I watched him play just once this year, don't remember much about him. Didn't look big enough to play SG in the NBA, but there have been plenty guys who can play the wing at 6'4"

Yeah from Mississippi. I think he is projected a PG/SG, so I could see a Steph Curry type where he is too small to play SG but could if need be. Heck we need a solid PG anyways, so he could work out for either PG or SG and which one suits him best, he could take that spot for us.

RadiantShot
06-12-2010, 09:22 PM
Yeah, he has the potential, but I don't think he has the mind-set to be a 20/10 guy. 17/9 is what I see for his career numbers. In his best season, he'll average 19.4 PPG, but I don't think he'll hit 20, unless he's the best player on the team. Even then, it's still questionable.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-12-2010, 09:34 PM
SF's should shoot better than 29% outside though

There are such things as slashing SF's.

PF's should have a decent post game or can body and he doesn't have that.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 09:38 PM
There are such things as slashing SF's.

PF's should have a decent post game or can body and he doesn't have that.

agreed, but if you are going to have 2 other guys in the paint, and play Smith at SF, you would prefer he can knock down a 18 footer.
He is a hybrid, no doubt, but his points come at the rim

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 09:39 PM
Yeah, he has the potential, but I don't think he has the mind-set to be a 20/10 guy. 17/9 is what I see for his career numbers. In his best season, he'll average 19.4 PPG, but I don't think he'll hit 20, unless he's the best player on the team. Even then, it's still questionable.

I love how you call his ppg to the percentage point haha. Nostradamus baby

*Silver&Black*
06-12-2010, 09:41 PM
There are such things as slashing SF's.

PF's should have a decent post game or can body and he doesn't have that.


Which is why I don't get the guy. He averages 15.7 PPG on 50.5% shooting from the floor. That is pretty good for someone with no back to the basket post game or long range shooting. He gets to the basket with ease but in no way should he guard SFs with his talent of defending the basket. He should stay a PF based on his defending skills in the paint and the fact he has no long range game. He can alway work on a post game, but not 3 point shooting.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-12-2010, 09:41 PM
agreed, but if you are going to have 2 other guys in the paint, and play Smith at SF, you would prefer he can knock down a 18 footer.
He is a hybrid, no doubt, but his points come at the rim

I agree with you but he can last at the SF. It depends on who his PF would be though.

If It's a Bargnani type of player then he can probably last at the SF spot.

RadiantShot
06-12-2010, 09:45 PM
I love how you call his ppg to the percentage point haha. Nostradamus baby

;)
I got that ill guessing ability. Unmatched.

Hawkeye15
06-12-2010, 09:45 PM
I agree with you but he can last at the SF. It depends on who his PF would be though.

If It's a Bargnani type of player then he can probably last at the SF spot.


agreed.

td0tsfinest
06-12-2010, 09:47 PM
A lot of his stuff comes from going inside. If he's able to improve his perimeter shooting, he could. He's rebounding is pretty good for his size but not sure if he's got the ability to do it one a nightly basis. Right now where he's at (about 16/17 and 8) are the stats I see him averaging for most of his career.

Chronz
06-14-2010, 03:32 PM
There are such things as slashing SF's.

PF's should have a decent post game or can body and he doesn't have that.

Even slashers have a better J than him, but hes pretty big bro

reffahead
06-14-2010, 05:54 PM
He shot 61% from the ft line. He can easily average 18 and 10 but has to improve drastically from the line, he shot 70% his first 3 years.
I'll rather him average 17 and 9.5 with 5 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals. Those overall stats are much more valuable than a 20 and 10 player.

And Mike Bibby as your pg sucks harder than a Dyson vacuum.

uknowmyname
06-14-2010, 10:28 PM
Josh Smith has reached his ceiling already. What you see is what you get.

SB75
06-14-2010, 10:40 PM
Yes