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Jays Claw
06-06-2010, 02:51 PM
If the Cavaliers decide to trade Mo Williams, one possible destination could be Toronto in exchange for Jose Calderon.

Link: http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/06/06/sports/nh2600140.txt



A trade involving Mo Williams to Toronto. Not serious at this stage.


Jose Calderon is the one being mentioned going to Cleveland.

Link: http://twitter.com/SamAmico

RadiantShot
06-06-2010, 02:53 PM
:laugh:
LMFAO.
Wow, Toronto would be making a pretty nice steal.

marvILLous
06-06-2010, 02:54 PM
get it done!!

*Silver&Black*
06-06-2010, 02:55 PM
And so the Cavs rebuilding begins........


If the Raps can make this trade, keep Bosh somehow, and trade Tedo (yes I spelled his name wrong for a joke) for Prince or something, they could be a good 5-8 seed playoff team.

Kakaroach
06-06-2010, 02:56 PM
Sounds like its just rumblings. Still, Jose would make LeBron better cuz he is a traditional PG and Mo Williams would be a legit scoring threat in Toronto.

SA5195
06-06-2010, 02:58 PM
:pray: :pray:

nuggetsyankees
06-06-2010, 02:59 PM
what next LBJ for Bosh? This is just spam

blah-blah
06-06-2010, 03:02 PM
doesnt make sense for clev

randomness
06-06-2010, 03:02 PM
:pray: :pray:

x2

topdog
06-06-2010, 03:02 PM
I actually like it for Cleveland. Calderon may be a bit overpaid but he's a facilitator who can get everyone involved and is a decent shooter. Gotta kill that Cleveland bystander syndrome.

*Superman*
06-06-2010, 03:03 PM
Both are losers. Makes sense.

abe_froman
06-06-2010, 03:04 PM
good for tor,dunno about cle though

magichatnumber9
06-06-2010, 03:05 PM
trading one ***** for another.

Ray_R
06-06-2010, 03:06 PM
THis probally wont go done for sure til we see who LeBron signs with.

Raidaz4Life
06-06-2010, 03:07 PM
Wow Cleveland making another desperate pointless move.

Jays Claw
06-06-2010, 03:09 PM
Mo Williams and Jose Calderon have no defense at all. :facepalm:

topdog
06-06-2010, 03:13 PM
Cleveland needs an identity... other than being a "match-up" team. Whether Lebron stays or goes, they need to make some drastic changes.

Eagles4Lyfe
06-06-2010, 03:38 PM
i would love this for raps and we keep hedo now we finally can have someone who can knock down the 3 point shot when hedo kicks it out and a guy who wont need the ball as much as calderon needed it

SA5195
06-06-2010, 03:39 PM
God pleaseeee let this happen lol

fadedmario
06-06-2010, 03:42 PM
Boy if this happens Cleveland is really stupid

Hellcrooner
06-06-2010, 03:45 PM
mmm let me see.

both good 3p shhooters

both uquick

caldeorn a better passer williams a better scorer

mmmm same salary


does not make ANY sense AT ALL unless theres some locker room trouble we dont know bot betwwn mo and Lebron.

Only other thing that makes sense is lebron is going to Lakers in a sign and trade for PAU and Cavs want to pair him with jose......... and that does look lets say far fetched at best.

D1JM
06-06-2010, 03:45 PM
is toronto going to become a non-EURO team?

D1JM
06-06-2010, 03:47 PM
Boy if this happens Cleveland is really stupid

well not really cuz they dont have another player that can really handle the ball. Lebron was the only option

Geargo Wallace
06-06-2010, 03:48 PM
is toronto going to become a non-EURO team?
fvfrvrevevev

mvb815
06-06-2010, 03:49 PM
i like jack, if we are trading calderon i'd like to get some defense in return considering he is one of our main trading pieces and offense isn't something we really need.

it is a slight improvement, but it does not strengthen any of toronto's weaknesses the least bit.

MagicBucsSox
06-06-2010, 03:49 PM
doesnt make sense for clev

exactlt ,jose isnt the 3pt threat Mo is, as a Orl fan i hope it happens

RadiantShot
06-06-2010, 03:51 PM
Gloria James. What?
;)

zipsbgsu
06-06-2010, 03:55 PM
This just could be the start of the sign and trade deal that trades Bosh to Cleveland.....Just a thought.

clutchski
06-06-2010, 03:55 PM
Sounds like its just rumblings. Still, Jose would make LeBron better cuz he is a traditional PG and Mo Williams would be a legit scoring threat in Toronto.

I agree. The only major issue with Calderon is his defense. Other than that he has a great attitude on the court, as well as a solid jumper and 3 point shooter. He can also easily hit 8 assists a game. I think it would be a good move for both Cleveland and Toronto.

abe_froman
06-06-2010, 04:04 PM
This just could be the start of the sign and trade deal that trades Bosh to Cleveland.....Just a thought.

doubt it

GodsSon
06-06-2010, 04:07 PM
If Hedo changes his tune and decides to stick around then this trade looks good for TO

Derick713
06-06-2010, 04:14 PM
The Cavs need to get the most out of Mo Williams. Hedo Turkoglu makes more sense for the Cavs.

Jays52
06-06-2010, 04:22 PM
Didn't see any news like this coming

clutchski
06-06-2010, 04:26 PM
If Hedo changes his tune and decides to stick around then this trade looks good for TO

Agreed.

97NYer
06-06-2010, 04:40 PM
They should force the Raps to give up DeRozan or Weems and get to rebuilding.

Calderon/Gibson/Telfair/West
Weems or DeRozan/Parker
Moon/Green
Hickson/Jamison/Power
Varejao

marvILLous
06-06-2010, 04:41 PM
They should force the Raps to give up DeRozan or Weems and get to rebuilding.

Calderon/Gibson/Telfair/West
Weems or DeRozan/Parker
Moon/Green
Hickson/Jamison/Power
Varejao

yeaaaaaaaaaaa..... not happening lol

SA5195
06-06-2010, 04:43 PM
yeaaaaaaaaaaa..... not happening lol

+1. The only way I see Weems or Derozan leaving is if we get like a superstar or something lol

Cubsfan365
06-06-2010, 04:53 PM
+1. The only way I see Weems or Derozan leaving is if we get like a superstar or something lol
Gimme a break.

Rego247
06-06-2010, 04:53 PM
+1. The only way I see Weems or Derozan leaving is if we get like a superstar or something lol

this.

no way were giving up those two for mo williams. too much upside, especially weems.

sargon21
06-06-2010, 04:55 PM
this is a pointless trade and makes cleveland worse, just what lebron wants

$KnicksAndKobe$
06-06-2010, 04:58 PM
Pointless trade ...

smith&wesson
06-06-2010, 05:24 PM
They should force the Raps to give up DeRozan or Weems and get to rebuilding.

Calderon/Gibson/Telfair/West
Weems or DeRozan/Parker
Moon/Green
Hickson/Jamison/Power
Varejao

they should force the raps ? i dont think any one can force you to trade away your youth.

mo will for calderon straight up. and if they want a throw in they can take belli or evans.

weems and derozan and bargs is who the raps are moving forward with they arent trading any of them.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-06-2010, 05:32 PM
Calderon and Belinelli for Williams and West.

GodsSon
06-06-2010, 05:36 PM
Calderon and Belinelli for Williams and West.

I don't want that mother ****er here lol

SA5195
06-06-2010, 05:36 PM
Gimme a break.

I never said we are getting a superstar. Just said Derozan or Weems aren't leaving, unless we get a big named player. Let me put it this way, Derozan and Weems aren't leaving, cause we're not targetting a superstar this season.

smith&wesson
06-06-2010, 05:36 PM
Calderon and Belinelli for Williams and West.

fair trade considering west might go to jail and his contract will become void. we might be able to gain some salary cap space in that deal.

AK-50
06-06-2010, 05:41 PM
I don't want that mother ****er here lol

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::la ugh:

LA_Raiders
06-06-2010, 05:46 PM
no way, but if it happens, this is the end for clev...rebuild

JordansBulls
06-06-2010, 05:47 PM
Link: http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/06/06/sports/nh2600140.txt






Link: http://twitter.com/SamAmico

When Ferry resigned, that showed to me that Lebron was out for sure.

Mplsman
06-06-2010, 05:55 PM
no way, but if it happens, this is the end for clev...rebuild

Agreed.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-06-2010, 06:01 PM
I don't want that mother ****er here lol

IMO, he's a better trade chip than Belinelli. His contract is only $500,000 if he's waive before the 5th of August. Also performed better.

And if we want to keep him, all we need is to trade Turkoglu for Arenas and we got the most dangerous, sharpshooting, trigger happy back court in the league.

GodsSon
06-06-2010, 06:01 PM
Why is everyone acting like it would be a huge rip-off? Did you see Mo the last 2 years in the playoffs? The guy was a complete no-show

abe_froman
06-06-2010, 06:13 PM
Why is everyone acting like it would be a huge rip-off? Did you see Mo the last 2 years in the playoffs? The guy was a complete no-show

because mo has a better contract;shorter length(if you dont count the option year,which probably wouldnt take unless the raps are rolling),cheaper and it doesnt have the trade kicker like jose's does.thus even if they dont want him,he's easier to trade

....plus he plays better defense,still sucks and its close,but an improvement still even if its minute

deaner
06-06-2010, 06:31 PM
is this a last attempt to appease LBJ? What's going to be the next news coming out of Cleveland? I'd like to increase the size of the trade... we need A Parker back for leadership... big Z may not be bad either depending on the price.

It would be sad to see Jose go... such a classy guy

Bruno
06-06-2010, 06:48 PM
I don't get it.

ldc62
06-06-2010, 07:15 PM
Are you people kidding me? Jose is a better point guard. I rather have Jarret Jack start than Mo Williams. Mo Williams sucks when hes in jumper mode (9/10 games).

Sadds The Gr8
06-06-2010, 07:16 PM
:dance::dance::cheer::cheer::up::up::clap::clap:

if this happens

RNess78c
06-06-2010, 07:16 PM
Calderon is garbage and cant play D

Cav's Wont do this just like detroit wont take Hedo Raptors fans face it you will be rebuilding just like the cavs if bosh leaves

Cavs dont want the same player but with no D

hedo big contract alot of years not a very good player..prince gots 2 years of the same amount of money...and there already trying to unload cash for signing charlie V and gordon..... eddy curry would make more sense for them at this point

JNA17
06-06-2010, 07:17 PM
are the cavs high?

ldc62
06-06-2010, 07:18 PM
Wait... I take it back because I forgot about defense..... I watch too much Raptors ball

ldc62
06-06-2010, 07:20 PM
Calderon is garbage and cant play D

Cav's Wont do this just like detroit wont take Hedo Raptors fans face it you will be rebuilding just like the cavs if bosh leaves

Cavs dont want the same player but with no D

hedo big contract alot of years not a very good player..prince gots 2 years of the same amount of money...and there already trying to unload cash for signing charlie V and gordon..... eddy curry would make more sense for them at this point

Mo WIlliams isn't that much better on Defense. But at least hes quicker.

JNA17
06-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Mo WIlliams isn't that much better on Defense. But at least hes quicker.

what good is quickness if calderon does not know how to even use it to his advantage.

ldc62
06-06-2010, 07:27 PM
what good is quickness if calderon does not know how to even use it to his advantage.

I meant Mo Williams quickness... Jose east to west movement is trash.

JNA17
06-06-2010, 07:33 PM
I meant Mo Williams quickness... Jose east to west movement is trash.

oh my bad :D

AI4MVP
06-06-2010, 07:58 PM
I dont know why everyone hates on Calderon so much. This is actually a move that makes the Cavs alot better. Calderons point guard skills >>>>>>>> Mo Williams point guard skills. Calderon is also a much better shooter then Mo Williams. Jose Calderon is a better player and point guard then Mo Williams. Calderon just played alot less minutes then Williams this season, so ofcourse Mo Will is guna have more attractive numbers. Damn people on PSD are so close minded. This move would make LeBron SO much better. Williams passing ability does not even begin to reach the status of Calderons. Williams is actually probably the most overrated point guard in the whole NBA. Hes not a point guard IMO at all. Hes a good shooter yes. But he would be a great sixth man.

Mo Williams = Jason Terry. The Jet would do exactly what Mo Williams is doing, if not better if he was on the Cavs playing with LeBron.

HouRealCoach
06-06-2010, 08:29 PM
Calderon could be another good playmaker and thats what the Cavs need

ldc62
06-06-2010, 08:59 PM
I dont know why everyone hates on Calderon so much. This is actually a move that makes the Cavs alot better. Calderons point guard skills >>>>>>>> Mo Williams point guard skills. Calderon is also a much better shooter then Mo Williams. Jose Calderon is a better player and point guard then Mo Williams. Calderon just played alot less minutes then Williams this season, so ofcourse Mo Will is guna have more attractive numbers. Damn people on PSD are so close minded. This move would make LeBron SO much better. Williams passing ability does not even begin to reach the status of Calderons. Williams is actually probably the most overrated point guard in the whole NBA. Hes not a point guard IMO at all. Hes a good shooter yes. But he would be a great sixth man.

Mo Williams = Jason Terry. The Jet would do exactly what Mo Williams is doing, if not better if he was on the Cavs playing with LeBron.


I hate agreeing with Rubio here, but yea this is what I have said. Mo Williams isn't that good, not even a better shooter IMO.

BlueJaysBoi
06-06-2010, 09:06 PM
make this happen BC!

AI4MVP
06-06-2010, 09:41 PM
I hate agreeing with Rubio here, but yea this is what I have said. Mo Williams isn't that good, not even a better shooter IMO.

hahah no reason to hate man. we all hav difrent opinions lol

clutchski
06-06-2010, 09:45 PM
I don't want that mother ****er here lol

:laugh2: shotgun wielder too

blah-blah
06-06-2010, 10:05 PM
this deal prob wont happen but i hope it does

JWO35
06-06-2010, 10:09 PM
Should they try to trade Delonte West :eyebrow:
because of the....He banged LeBron's mom situation

dodie53
06-06-2010, 10:13 PM
Wow Cleveland making another desperate pointless move.

ahaha

Raydogg909
06-06-2010, 10:20 PM
I dont know why everyone hates on Calderon so much. This is actually a move that makes the Cavs alot better. Calderons point guard skills >>>>>>>> Mo Williams point guard skills. Calderon is also a much better shooter then Mo Williams. Jose Calderon is a better player and point guard then Mo Williams. Calderon just played alot less minutes then Williams this season, so ofcourse Mo Will is guna have more attractive numbers. Damn people on PSD are so close minded. This move would make LeBron SO much better. Williams passing ability does not even begin to reach the status of Calderons. Williams is actually probably the most overrated point guard in the whole NBA. Hes not a point guard IMO at all. Hes a good shooter yes. But he would be a great sixth man.

Mo Williams = Jason Terry. The Jet would do exactly what Mo Williams is doing, if not better if he was on the Cavs playing with LeBron.

I agree with ya man....I think the raps and cavs only do this if it appeases their fellow stars....aka bosh and lebron otherwise it doesnt happen....if bosh and lebron leave this deal sucks most for the raps!

homestarunner93
06-06-2010, 10:31 PM
This makes no sense for Cleveland. The Cavs need a scoring PG like Mo, LeBron needs the ball too much for them to grab a facilitator. It is great though for Toronto. I doubt they will be able to move Hedo, but he should really improve next to Mo, since he's more of a point forward.

PrettyBoyJ
06-07-2010, 12:42 AM
I dont see Caledron in Cleveland.. He's too slow.. The Cavs under Mike Brown where too slow.. if they pushed the ball more they would've been more successful

dolphan
06-07-2010, 12:57 AM
:pray: :pray:

x10

dolphan
06-07-2010, 12:58 AM
And for those of you who are underrating Jose just look at his stats and what he can accomplish when healthy

AI4MVP
06-07-2010, 02:08 AM
anyone who thinks Mo Williams is a better point guard then Jose Calderon doesnt truely understand basketball and just likes to watch ESPN

FairWeatherFan?
06-07-2010, 09:12 AM
The cavs are just testing market value for Williams.

There are also rumblings of a possible trade with Golden State that would be something like:

Monta Ellis and this years 1st round pick for Mo Williams and Delonte West.

Again, this is all speculation, but if the GS deal were to go down, would Toronto like the offer of Jamison, 6th pick, expiring contract and cash for Bosh and Hedo?

RaysFan
06-07-2010, 09:33 AM
The cavs are just testing market value for Williams.

There are also rumblings of a possible trade with Golden State that would be something like:

Monta Ellis and this years 1st round pick for Mo Williams and Delonte West.

Again, this is all speculation, but if the GS deal were to go down, would Toronto like the offer of Jamison, 6th pick, expiring contract and cash for Bosh and Hedo?

:facepalm:

FairWeatherFan?
06-07-2010, 10:10 AM
:facepalm:



care to explain?

miller74
06-07-2010, 10:23 AM
My 4 year old niece plays harder defense than calderon

Raoul Duke
06-07-2010, 10:43 AM
I don't see how being paired up with a pure PG who needs the ball is going to help Lebron when Lebron is basically a PG and he needs the ball.

C_Mund
06-07-2010, 12:19 PM
If this happens, Mo becomes the 6th man for the raps. Somebody had said he's like Jason Terry, and I agree. Jack is a better pg, but having somebody like Mo off the bench would be good for the raps, bosh or not.
Jose, with enough options and defenders around him could be amazing. Toronto has nobody to guard the rim, though, so his defensive deficiencies are exposed on a nightly basis.

thecure
06-07-2010, 12:33 PM
ummm... Williams.

This is a nightmare, right?

Someone wake me up when the Raptors actually acquire a nice young point guard...

Whats that you say? I will be asleep forever!

Well, it's better than Mo "Misses" Williams. At least Jose is a PG!

Mplsman
06-07-2010, 01:37 PM
There both plenty good I just don't see how this would benefit either team really

kj_
06-07-2010, 04:35 PM
Not sure James needs a pure point like Jose to facilitate the offense...This could mean LeBron is out. If he is, they will need someone to run the offense because LBJ has for so long. It seems like a lateral move for the Raps if Bosh stays. But without Bosh they will need more scoring...which Mo would bring. Both teams could be making a plan if they both lose their star.

AI4MVP
06-07-2010, 05:04 PM
If this happens, Mo becomes the 6th man for the raps. Somebody had said he's like Jason Terry, and I agree. Jack is a better pg, but having somebody like Mo off the bench would be good for the raps, bosh or not.
Jose, with enough options and defenders around him could be amazing. Toronto has nobody to guard the rim, though, so his defensive deficiencies are exposed on a nightly basis.

yeah that was me. ive always thought mo williams was extremely overrated as a point guard. hes a good shooter. thats about it. hes not a reliable sidekick for lebron at all in the playoffs. i think if the cavs do this trade and then keep lebron that calderon would be able to facilitate the offense for lebron and jamison much better then mo. not that lebron needs great passes becuz u cud just throw it up there and hell get it whereever it is, but jose calderons passing is so far more advanced then mo williams' that its not even comparable

ShakeN'Bake
06-07-2010, 05:06 PM
care to explain?

That is a trash deal for the Warriors.

AI4MVP
06-07-2010, 05:09 PM
this thread is a great way to see who actuallly know **** about basketball and who just watches ESPN, becuz anyone who says Mo Williams is a better basketball player then Jose Calderon is just doesnt not know alot about basketball

sventhedog
06-07-2010, 05:24 PM
pretty good trade. calderon is more of a traditional point while williams is a scorer. but considering hedo wants to be traded, toronto will be left without a playmaker.

calderon has struggled this season. a change of scenery might help him.

williams was a good player but he has been something like lebron's pet. he follows every single thing lebron tells him. as a result, he has become a player who prioritizes flash over simple plays. he often does behind-the-back passes even when when the opportunity doesn't call for it.

williams fits with cleveland very much. very good in the regular season, but chokes in the playoffs.

ldc62
06-07-2010, 06:05 PM
this thread is a great way to see who actuallly know **** about basketball and who just watches ESPN, becuz anyone who says Mo Williams is a better basketball player then Jose Calderon is just doesnt not know alot about basketball

Calderon is a way better PG.... He gets everyone involved and can shoot it (better than Mo...).

AI4MVP
06-07-2010, 06:38 PM
Calderon is a way better PG.... He gets everyone involved and can shoot it (better than Mo...).

exactly :clap:

dtmagnet
06-07-2010, 06:57 PM
Don't see this as a good move for the Raptors, if they want a guy like Mo they should make an attempt at Monta Ellis.

Jays Claw
06-07-2010, 10:02 PM
The Raptors could do without Mo Williams.

IndiansFan337
06-07-2010, 10:08 PM
Don't see this as a good move for the Raptors, if they want a guy like Mo they should make an attempt at Monta Ellis.

Is Ellis any better at defending PG's than Mo Williams?

He's going to have to settle for handling & shooting the ball much less.

Ellis has a much larger contract than Williams, so I think the Cavs would really have to believe in his ability to defend PG's in order to make that swap. At least one other player would need to be included from the Cavs for that swap to work mathematically.

dtmagnet
06-07-2010, 10:19 PM
Is Ellis any better at defending PG's than Mo Williams?

He's going to have to settle for handling & shooting the ball much less.

Ellis has a much larger contract than Williams, so I think the Cavs would really have to believe in his ability to defend PG's in order to make that swap. At least one other player would need to be included from the Cavs for that swap to work mathematically.

I meant more for the Raptors, if they want a scoring point guard go for Ellis. They're already used to no D from Calderon but Ellis can light it up better than Mo Williams.

Kyben36
06-07-2010, 10:21 PM
good deal, but I dont think it keeps either superstar in their citys. NOt saying Lebron is leaving, but It doesnt make them that much better IMO.

prodigy
06-07-2010, 10:23 PM
Jose Calderon is a interesting guy. Shoots a very high Percentage from almost anywhere on the court. He also does ALOT better in the playoffs then Mo.

But If this happens I think it would be a bigger trade involving more people. I could see the Cavs eating Calderon and Turks contracts for a Mr. Bosh. Shoot, How could the Raps turn that down. They will get some young talent and expirings in return for someone they will lose anyways.

kingvarna13
06-07-2010, 10:36 PM
Mo williams is a bum to me even tho im a cavs fan i would trade him and other players for money to have money for to sign lebron and probly bosh or wade

sventhedog
06-07-2010, 10:37 PM
if your team is likely to reach the playoffs, i would suggest you avoid mo williams.

avrpatsfan
06-07-2010, 10:45 PM
Bad trade.

goose15
06-07-2010, 11:03 PM
good deal for the Raptors

blacknell
06-07-2010, 11:05 PM
williams is alot better in IMO

ink
06-07-2010, 11:42 PM
this thread is a great way to see who actuallly know **** about basketball and who just watches ESPN, becuz anyone who says Mo Williams is a better basketball player then Jose Calderon is just doesnt not know alot about basketball

Tell that to all the Raptors fans who hate Calderon. I agree that Jose is a much more complete player. He probably needs a change of scenery where he'll be used differently.

blah-blah
06-07-2010, 11:52 PM
Tell that to all the Raptors fans who hate Calderon. I agree that Jose is a much more complete player. He probably needs a change of scenery where he'll be used differently.

yeah hes shown that over the past few seasons :facepalm: not really hes a pylon on defense hes injury prone he has a nasty contract and hes an overrated ball distributor oh yeah and he rarely drives to the basket

ink
06-08-2010, 12:33 AM
yeah hes shown that over the past few seasons :facepalm: not really hes a pylon on defense hes injury prone he has a nasty contract and hes an overrated ball distributor oh yeah and he rarely drives to the basket

Right on cue. Thank you for the demo. :D

Hellcrooner
06-08-2010, 11:56 AM
mmmm i think Jose calderon could make David Lee or Andrew Bynum score 30 points per game.

Stay tuned to Lebron Sign and trde

C_Mund
06-08-2010, 01:02 PM
mmmm i think Jose calderon could make David Lee or Andrew Bynum score 30 points per game.

Stay tuned to Lebron Sign and trde

He doesn't throw alley-oops worth garbage. I'd think he could make Rip average 40 though....he's great at finding mid-range shooters.

mikantsass
06-08-2010, 01:21 PM
I heard the Cavs were seeking out trade value for Mo and Delonte. Maybe a Mo, Delonte, Jamison for Turkoglu and Jack/Calderon?

Sadds The Gr8
06-08-2010, 01:30 PM
I heard the Cavs were seeking out trade value for Mo and Delonte. Maybe a Mo, Delonte, Jamison for Turkoglu and Jack/Calderon?

Cavs are giving up wayyyy too much in that deal, especially seeing that Turk is a big *** contract, but if this was offered, I'll take it in a heartbeat.