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black1605
05-28-2010, 10:17 PM
In a recent interview on Turkish television, Raptors forward Hedo Turkoglu explained that he is actively seeking a release from the Toronto organization.

http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2010/05/28/hedo-turkoglu-i-do-not-want-to-go-back-to-toronto/


no one is going to take on his contract, is he really going to give up all that money and ask for a release?

Jenceman
05-28-2010, 10:21 PM
Lolz.

SA5195
05-28-2010, 10:22 PM
He doesn't fit here anyways.

ManRam
05-28-2010, 10:25 PM
This is the most childish post I've ever made.

Vince for Hedo. Please.

Raidaz4Life
05-28-2010, 10:27 PM
tough luck, I hope he's miserable there

kblo247
05-28-2010, 10:28 PM
More power to him if accepts being released.

I'll say it, VC for Hedo

fadedmario
05-28-2010, 10:28 PM
This is the most childish post I've ever made.

Vince for Hedo. Please.

I hope to god the Magic win tonight. Your right about Carter. He's too inconsistent to be effective this time of year.

D1JM
05-28-2010, 10:29 PM
I wonder who would take him after his stats in toronto. Maybe portland lol

PHX2daDEATH
05-28-2010, 10:29 PM
What a cry baby..guess what dude..nobody wants your contract...

I cant believe the luck Colangelo has had in Toronto.. I guess this is what happens when Daddy is not there to hold his hand.. Jerry is the godfather of Basketball here in Phoenix and I love him to death but I would not trade Brian for Kerr on any day of the week

fadedmario
05-28-2010, 10:29 PM
Hedo has the worst contract in the league

JNA17
05-28-2010, 10:31 PM
no one will take his ball

SA5195
05-28-2010, 10:34 PM
Hedo has the worst contract in the league

Rashard Lewis, and Brand's contract are much worse IMO

thescore53
05-28-2010, 10:34 PM
lol this actually hilarious, we dont want him he doesnt want us lol,

thescore53
05-28-2010, 10:35 PM
lol article has my username

thescore53
05-28-2010, 10:36 PM
well the fans did give him a hard time

ink
05-28-2010, 10:37 PM
The Score is pretty much a semi-professional broadcaster but at least we finally have an actual source.

JNA17
05-28-2010, 10:38 PM
let me fix that for you

wow. my spelling is horrible today. :pity:

Rego247
05-28-2010, 10:38 PM
interesting to see so many vc for hedo posts

we've come a long way since the start of the season. :rolleyes:

td0tsfinest
05-28-2010, 10:39 PM
This is the most childish post I've ever made.

Vince for Hedo. Please.

Straight up? I'm down.

ink
05-28-2010, 10:39 PM
interesting to see so many vc for hedo posts

we've come a long way since the start of the season. :rolleyes:

Hedo was better on the Magic than VC is and I've been saying it all along. Two GMs screwed up this summer.

thescore53
05-28-2010, 10:40 PM
This is the most childish post I've ever made.

Vince for Hedo. Please.

though i love vince and forgive him, it's waay more fun booing him lol.

btw this is how much raptor fans hate hedo http://twitter.com/fakehedo

td0tsfinest
05-28-2010, 10:40 PM
The Score is pretty much a semi-professional broadcaster but at least we finally have an actual source.

Well they actually had 3 different people translate the video. Thats all I wanted. Someone to translate the entire thing.

Giaps
05-28-2010, 10:40 PM
Brand and Turkoglu have 2 of the worst in the NBA. I don't see it happening.

thescore53
05-28-2010, 10:41 PM
Yeah. I’ve been playing in the USA for 10 years and this is the first time I’ve been booed by my own team’s fans. It’s a shocking situation and it made me feel extremely bad after. That was the most embarrassing moment in my life. God bless everyone, no exceptions!

hedo's hilarious we boo cause you suck and out of shape

thescore53
05-28-2010, 10:45 PM
all the guys were here. And if you check the camera records, you will see that I left there in 15-20 minutes with Andrea Bargnani. I guarantee it. And if they prove me wrong, I will give back my contract!

loool someone prove him wrong

zambo4president
05-28-2010, 10:48 PM
I think you gotta do some soul searching before you ink the paper. Other than the money, I don't see how going to Toronto made sense or even was appealing to Hedo:shrug: Would be funny if they just kept him anyways.

Korman12
05-28-2010, 10:50 PM
lulz

nearyG
05-28-2010, 10:53 PM
this may be the only chance to get rid of hedo...raptors fans pray that colangelo agrees to letting him go...if hedo is released from contract...and raptors move calderon...there is all of a sudden A LOT of cap room this summer

idrinkpepsi
05-28-2010, 10:55 PM
I say trade him for Brand, and the 2nd pick now obviously the Raptors would have to throw something in but hasn't it been reported that they want to ship off Brand and using the 2nd overall as the bargaining chip? Move one terrible contract for another its probably one of the most positive trades in my mind.

AntwanN21
05-28-2010, 10:57 PM
was there rumors hedo for big al??

gwrighter
05-28-2010, 10:57 PM
this may be the only chance to get rid of hedo...raptors fans pray that colangelo agrees to letting him go...if hedo is released from contract...and raptors move calderon...there is all of a sudden A LOT of cap room this summer

thats a great point.

AntwanN21
05-28-2010, 10:59 PM
thats a great point.

about 10 from hedo next year, 17 from Bosh, 8 from Calderon. That is a lot of money, hopefully it happens

gwrighter
05-28-2010, 11:02 PM
about 10 from hedo next year, 17 from Bosh, 8 from Calderon. That is a lot of money, hopefully it happens

If this happens do you think this makes chris more inclined to stay or to leave?

D1JM
05-28-2010, 11:03 PM
was there rumors hedo for big al??

it was more like deng to minny, bosh to the bulls, al to toronto

AntwanN21
05-28-2010, 11:05 PM
If this happens do you think this makes chris more inclined to stay or to leave?

i think stay, we can them give him the max without worrying about 21 mill and have about 14 mill ( just an estimate) which is good for trades cause i dont see us getting a good free agent. Look at Hedo, Kapono etc. The cap could help us land a good player, which i think would entice bosh to stay

AntwanN21
05-28-2010, 11:06 PM
doest involve hedo but look at this

Raptors trade Calderon Bosh
Lakers Trade Bynum, Vujacic,Pick
Philly Trades Brand #2

Raptors get Brand,#2,Vujacic,
Lakers get Bosh,Calderon
Philly Gets Bynum, Pick

gwrighter
05-28-2010, 11:07 PM
i think stay, we can them give him the max without worrying about 21 mill and have about 14 mill ( just an estimate) which is good for trades cause i dont see us getting a good free agent. Look at Hedo, Kapono etc. The cap could help us land a good player, which i think would entice bosh to stay

Could this be the potential entry into the lebron james sweepstakes? i know i'm speculating but my mind is running wild with possibilities.

AntwanN21
05-28-2010, 11:08 PM
Could this be the potential entry into the lebron james sweepstakes? i know i'm speculating but my mind is running wild with possibilities.

Probobly not but.........


one can only hope:P

JasonJohnHorn
05-28-2010, 11:10 PM
Hedu does NOT have the worst contract in the league. But it is pretty bad.

But asking for a release is different than asking for a trade or a buy-out. Was that the language he used? Because I'm pretty sure he could get a release if Bosh signs elsewhere.

He'd fit in with Orlando, or the Spurs and even LA. He is still a very talented player, but he needs to be around talent to thrive, and be on a solid passing team.

If I was the Spurs I'd call up TO and see what they'd want for him. The spurs could use a little size, and a good passing three-point shooter. And I'd be willing to take on the contract and give up Jefferson. Duncan, Hedu, Manu and Parker would be a great starting line-up from 2-1, though they'd still need a center.

Ray_R
05-28-2010, 11:13 PM
LMao

JNA17
05-28-2010, 11:13 PM
doest involve hedo but look at this

Raptors trade Calderon Bosh
Lakers Trade Bynum, Vujacic,Pick
Philly Trades Brand #2

Raptors get Brand,#2,Vujacic,
Lakers get Bosh,Calderon
Philly Gets Bynum, Pick

where do i sign?

DengelBerry
05-28-2010, 11:15 PM
This is the most childish post I've ever made.

Vince for Hedo. Please.

LMFAO :laugh:

JasonJohnHorn
05-28-2010, 11:19 PM
doest involve hedo but look at this

Raptors trade Calderon Bosh
Lakers Trade Bynum, Vujacic,Pick
Philly Trades Brand #2

Raptors get Brand,#2,Vujacic,
Lakers get Bosh,Calderon
Philly Gets Bynum, Pick


LA would still have a title-contending line up with Bosh over Bynum, but if I was them I wouldn't be to quick to give up a center like Bynum. Having to 7-footers like Bynum and Gasol gives the coach a lot of room to adjust rotations espcially with a 6'10 Odom who can play SF and PF. But I actually suggested the Lakers try to make a move for Calderon earlier in the season because I think he would become a better defensive player in their system and his passing efficiency and three-point shooting would be huge for them.

And if I was Philly I'd want to keep the pick and Brand, I get the feeling that Collins will be able to get Brand back into the type of player who will be able to get 16 or 18 points and around 10 boards out of him. And that #2 pick is going to be a great addition whether they get Wall or Turner.

But this would be an interesting trade for sure and I think trade would work out well for the Raptors if Bosh is headed on his way out.

JasonJohnHorn
05-28-2010, 11:21 PM
if you say so

I honestly do think he is, but like I said, he NEEDS to be around a lot of talent to thrive.

That said, I love you sig/pic ;-) lol

And as a fellow Raptors fan, I was more than a little disapointed in Hedu this season.

Kakaroach
05-28-2010, 11:33 PM
That sucks for the Raptors. This guy was supposed to make you a playoff team and then he has a horrible season and now he is asking for a trade. Too bad that contract will be pretty hard to move.

td0tsfinest
05-28-2010, 11:36 PM
That sucks for the Raptors. This guy was supposed to make you a playoff team and then he has a horrible season and now he is asking for a trade. Too bad that contract will be pretty hard to move.

He's definitely going to get "public enemy one" treatment if he does leave.

_KB24_
05-28-2010, 11:39 PM
Vince for Hedo straight up? Carter going back to the city that made him and Hedo can go back to Orlando where he had his best years. This would be amazing if it happened. I would love to see the Toronto fans finally give him the respect he deserves.

dwadefan03
05-28-2010, 11:39 PM
i think hedos decline is REALLY overstated. so the guy has one bad year and all of a sudden hes the worst player in the world. It's easy to forget what he did before toronto but this guy had a reputation as one of the best point forwards in the league behind lebron james, etc. I cant remember exactly but he avgd like 19 5 and 5. That's pretty darn good if you ask me. He deserves more time to try and get accustomed to a new area. I beleive he can still reach that level he was at in orlando

thescore53
05-28-2010, 11:40 PM
Vince for Hedo straight up? Carter going back to the city that made him and Hedo can go back to Orlando where he had his best years. This would be amazing if it happened. I would love to see the Toronto fans finally give him the respect he deserves.

for all the **** we gave carter over his career you think he'll even consider playing one minute for us

CB29
05-28-2010, 11:49 PM
hedo my man.... first game you face us i'll be first row waiting for you....

still1ballin
05-28-2010, 11:50 PM
Perfect trade

Hedo for Vince

Vince goes back to Toronto and retire

Hedo goes back to Orlando to get another shot at the championship


LOL

thescore53
05-28-2010, 11:53 PM
stop with the vince coming back ishhh raptor fans disrespect this guy to the maxxx, booed him out the building multiple times theres no way he returns

_KB24_
05-28-2010, 11:55 PM
for all the **** we gave carter over his career you think he'll even consider playing one minute for us

Wouldn't you guys want to end things off on a high note? I'm actually serious. This would be IDEAL for both teams. Magic clearly needed Hedo in this series and what better place for Carter to end his career the place where it started. I say it's a win-win situation. Plus, I can rock my Carter jersey again :D

Akshay
05-28-2010, 11:56 PM
Can't blame Hedo, this team will be a rebuilding team for a few years to come as Bosh is more than likley leaving, and he wants to go to a team that is a finals contender right away. His decision is probably gonna depend on LeBron's also.

thescore53
05-28-2010, 11:57 PM
yea but people would still boo him,, i dont know why but there will still be a few boo's

thescore53
05-28-2010, 11:59 PM
Can't blame Hedo, this team will be a rebuilding team for a few years to come as Bosh is more than likley leaving, and he wants to go to a team that is a finals contender right away. His decision is probably gonna depend on LeBron's also.

hedo isnt a star, he isnt good enough to choose where he plays, orlando is the only team where i can see him thirving again , and lebron wants to be nowhere near this guy lol

mvb815
05-29-2010, 12:03 AM
you're welcome portland

Red222
05-29-2010, 12:03 AM
stop with the vince coming back ishhh raptor fans disrespect this guy to the maxxx, booed him out the building multiple times theres no way he returns

u want deng back
his contract is actually 4 years 43 million because some money is deferred
To the best of my knowledge, this is how that works:
- In any given season, Deng gets paid 70% of his cap value directly
- The team puts 15% of his capvalue in an annuity, which pays out double that (30%) over a long period of time

So, if Luol's cap hit for a season is $10M. He gets paid $7M, then the team puts $1.5M in an annuity which pays out $3M total over 20 years. So, Luol gets paid by the team $8.5M for every $10M in cap hit.

Given that, here is his real contract:
2011 $9.64M
2012 $10.47M
2013 $11.36M
2014 $12.13M
Total 4 years $43.6M for a 25 year old that just averaged 17.6 and 7.3

thescore53
05-29-2010, 12:09 AM
deng for hedo hmmm ofcourse son lol i know his contract is worse but i cant stand hedo's mug

abe_froman
05-29-2010, 12:09 AM
u want deng back

no man,just no...

ryder78c
05-29-2010, 12:10 AM
you're welcome portland

And Thank You

well if he can get released i would take him at a low price nuthin like we would of paid him but i thank the raptors for that maybe if he renegotiate's his contract to somethen around 1.5-2 million a year i'd take a trade for him

DeRozan, Hedo(New Contract)

for Rudy Fernandez & Patty Mills 2nd round pick

Red222
05-29-2010, 12:10 AM
deng for hedo hmmm ofcourse son lol i know his contract is worse but i cant stand hedo's mug

no straight up deal i mean in a package for bosh

BKdoubleStacker
05-29-2010, 12:10 AM
Ball

Red222
05-29-2010, 12:11 AM
no man,just no...

not in a trade goofy plus hedo has a trade kicker see the below

dtmagnet
05-29-2010, 12:19 AM
This is the most childish post I've ever made.

Vince for Hedo. Please.

Maybe I'm just angry at Hedo right now, but I'd think about that deal.

Truheatfan
05-29-2010, 12:25 AM
Hedo has the worst contract in the league

i think elton brands is worse

Raph12
05-29-2010, 12:25 AM
Surprise, surprise, nothing is going to happen.

bolts4ever
05-29-2010, 12:25 AM
Bynum+Sasha Vujacic+ Luke Walton+ lakers 2 2nd rd pks(2010)= Chris Bosh and Hedo Turgolu +13th pk

Good trade 4 everyone. Lakers are one of the only teams who can eat Hedos contract.Yeah Waltons a bad contract but Raps save 15-20 mil on his deal but Raptors have to compensate with their 13th pk.

JordansBulls
05-29-2010, 12:32 AM
http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2010/05/28/hedo-turkoglu-i-do-not-want-to-go-back-to-toronto/


no one is going to take on his contract, is he really going to give up all that money and ask for a release?

That's his problem now, he should never have burned Portland.

RadiantShot
05-29-2010, 12:33 AM
Please come back Hedo! We miss you! :cry:

97NYer
05-29-2010, 12:35 AM
Bynum+Sasha Vujacic+ Luke Walton+ lakers 2 2nd rd pks(2010)= Chris Bosh and Hedo Turgolu +13th pk

Good trade 4 everyone. Lakers are one of the only teams who can eat Hedos contract.Yeah Waltons a bad contract but Raps save 15-20 mil on his deal but Raptors have to compensate with their 13th pk.

How would they swing Hedo/Artest/Odom? You can't give all of those guys the time they deserve...

Lakers should be looking for a PG.

Ragun
05-29-2010, 01:08 AM
well if the raptors release him, his contract counts against our cap. whats the point of that?

Raph12
05-29-2010, 01:08 AM
Please god Magic don't take Hedo back, Otis if you're listening, don't trade for Hedo, just don't.

kblo247
05-29-2010, 01:12 AM
How would they swing Hedo/Artest/Odom? You can't give all of those guys the time they deserve...

Lakers should be looking for a PG.

I'm not advocating what he said but I guess in his scenario:

- Shannon, Adam, and Jordan walk (10 mil gone)
- Hedo plays behind Kobe and Ron
- Lamar plays behind Bosh and Gasol like he does Gasol and Bynum
- Re-sign Fisher
- Look at Redick, Blake, or some guard to split the PG spot for part of the MLE

I think LA should look at the Bosh for Bynum trade and also at Redick/Blake because you need a new Fisher and not a PG

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 01:14 AM
Vince carter for turkoglu makes sense for both teams, except VC gets booed too much in toronto so i dont think he wants to come back.
i would definatly like vince back on the raptors even if he does suck **** now. Vince was inspiration for kids growing up playing ball. id love to see him back on the raptors. even though his contract is nasty.

turkoglu if yu really want out, ask for a 1 million buyout and get resigned for the vets minumum at ORLANDO>

ink
05-29-2010, 01:15 AM
i think hedos decline is REALLY overstated. so the guy has one bad year and all of a sudden hes the worst player in the world. It's easy to forget what he did before toronto but this guy had a reputation as one of the best point forwards in the league behind lebron james, etc. I cant remember exactly but he avgd like 19 5 and 5. That's pretty darn good if you ask me. He deserves more time to try and get accustomed to a new area. I beleive he can still reach that level he was at in orlando

He hasn't really declined at all. In fact he was so poorly used in Toronto he's probably going to be fresher than ever next year. After missing a game last year, he came back and got 19 rebounds!! That is not a player in decline.

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 01:18 AM
i hope if we sign adn trade bosh that we dont give a contender hedo, let him be depressed in toronto, he just signed here for cash and this is what he gets.

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 01:18 AM
i ratehr see turkoglu gone, and keep bosh somehow..

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 01:20 AM
what a piece of ****. I officially hate him as much as Vince.

Rego247
05-29-2010, 01:23 AM
what a piece of ****. I officially hate him as much as Vince.

i was thinking about this saddler. do u think if he leaves T.O. the hate for hedo could equal the hate for wince? if he stays or goes, he will be hated regardless, but as much as wince, thats debatable.

BradyIsTheMan12
05-29-2010, 01:28 AM
Well Hedo decided Portland wasn't good enough for him, this is what he gets.

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 01:30 AM
hedo turkoglu should be traded for vince. vince is **** too now. buti rather see his face than turks.

yu dont know how aggravating it is to see him laughing and skinning his teeth eating pizza and drinking sprite on the bench and hugging a basketball.

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 01:31 AM
i was thinking about this saddler. do u think if he leaves T.O. the hate for hedo could equal the hate for wince? if he stays or goes, he will be hated regardless, but as much as wince, thats debatable.

definately. after that nightclub thing he'll be hated like mad. I think the booing will be just as loud as Wince. He was supposed to help us be a threat in the east, and this guy didn't do jack **** but have a ****in brutal season. And now he wants a trade after 1 season? what a dick...

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 01:32 AM
hedo turkoglu should be traded for vince. vince is **** too now. buti rather see his face than turks.

yu dont know how aggravating it is to see him laughing and skinning his teeth eating pizza and drinking sprite on the bench and hugging a basketball.

we don't want Vince back, and he doesn't want us back. Why would he want to come here? I don't know why u keep suggesting it. He's not coming here.

GunFactor187
05-29-2010, 01:37 AM
Yeah...good luck with that one.

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 01:38 AM
we don't want Vince back, and he doesn't want us back. Why would he want to come here? I don't know why u keep suggesting it. He's not coming here.

go loook in the nba forum and see how many people suggested it. dats why7 i keep suggesting it. if it toke one fan to start booing to get everyone to boo, perhaps it can take one fan to start everyone to cheer? idk. i dont boo vince. i understand why he left and i dont blame him at all. i was really stressed out about the situation and the management wasnt helping so he became vocal about trades in post game intereviews. not his fault, it was the managements .i was pissed at vince carter when i was yunger, but ive grown to understand why he left. im proud to say im still a fan of vince carter.

effen5
05-29-2010, 01:44 AM
How about Deng for Bosh...

Oh wait that doesn't involve Hedo at all...

TrevorE
05-29-2010, 01:46 AM
Maybe we need a webpage or facebook group apologizing to Hedo and show that we aren't a bunch of whiny babies. I believe him and looks like he's not lying about the night club thing. We need to accept we were wrong and not **** our organization up by losing Hedo. He can be a good player theres no question....he was a goto guy on a Team that went to the Finals. We can't lose him because were acting like babies. I would make a facebook group saying sorry to him if you all would join and spread the word. Show him we don't want to lose him even if it means we have to suck it up and keep his contract.

Rego247
05-29-2010, 01:47 AM
go loook in the nba forum and see how many people suggested it. dats why7 i keep suggesting it. if it toke one fan to start booing to get everyone to boo, perhaps it can take one fan to start everyone to cheer? idk. i dont boo vince. i understand why he left and i dont blame him at all. i was really stressed out about the situation and the management wasnt helping so he became vocal about trades in post game intereviews. not his fault, it was the managements .i was pissed at vince carter when i was yunger, but ive grown to understand why he left. im proud to say im still a fan of vince carter.

fair enough. hes a polarizing figure among us raps fans. if it were up to me up me i would not want carter back, not after the stuff hes pulled but thats just me.

nice sig btw. get it done BC lol.

atomik102
05-29-2010, 01:48 AM
i would def take Hedo back again in Orlando he didnt whine at all here i never wanted him to leave

kblo247
05-29-2010, 01:51 AM
i hope if we sign adn trade bosh that we dont give a contender hedo, let him be depressed in toronto, he just signed here for cash and this is what he gets.

He signed to keep his piece of ***** happy

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 01:51 AM
apologize to hedo? he should apologize to the fans for how hes plaayed, he should had realized signing on a team that was trying to get back to the playoffs had high expectations and if expectations werent met he'd be partially looked at as a problem because he ashnt been produce. hes a grown man, grow the **** up and stop whining over boos. im 16 and i get booed when i step in at fleemming or as asoon as i touch the frigging ball, do yu here me cryying?

MaHaRaJaH
05-29-2010, 02:06 AM
Kevin, we did not help the situation.

Fuego_Schaf
05-29-2010, 02:08 AM
Wade has stated that he would have nothing against playing in toronto. The likelyhood of him coming here of course is probably more than next to none, but if he did happen to choose toronto and bosh were convinced to stay, i could see a deal like this possibly go down:

Calderon + Hedo + Evans + 13th pick for Wade

Bosh could get his max contract and wade could sign-&-trade and get max money out of the deal as well. Miami would finally get some, and i mean some, talent back in return (plus a big in Evans) and would still have a first round pick to build around. Bosh would finally get another star player to play with. I know this will probably never happen, but i can only hope the basketball god's will finally tilt something in the favour of the country that created basketball, hahahaha

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 02:08 AM
go loook in the nba forum and see how many people suggested it. dats why7 i keep suggesting it. if it toke one fan to start booing to get everyone to boo, perhaps it can take one fan to start everyone to cheer? idk. i dont boo vince. i understand why he left and i dont blame him at all. i was really stressed out about the situation and the management wasnt helping so he became vocal about trades in post game intereviews. not his fault, it was the managements .i was pissed at vince carter when i was yunger, but ive grown to understand why he left. im proud to say im still a fan of vince carter.

So just because some random people typing on computers want the deal to happen, it's going to? Wince will never come back to Toronto, and you're in the minority for those who want him back. Yea the management sucked when he was here, but that doesn't mean u fake injuries and admit you're not trying. You think people can slack off/fake injuries in the real world when it comes to their jobs? **** no. So Wince had no reason to do it. That's why he gets booed. KG didn't fake injuries, Ray Allen didn't fake injuries, Kobe didn't, and Lebron didn't...and that's just a few. It goes to show what a ****in loser Wince is compared to those guys, and that's why he'll never get a ring, or get mine and many Raps fans respect again.

Rego247
05-29-2010, 02:10 AM
So just because some random people typing on computers want the deal to happen, it's going to? Wince will never come back to Toronto, and you're in the minority for those who want him back. Yea the management sucked when he was here, but that doesn't mean u fake injuries and admit you're not trying. You think people can slack off/fake injuries in the real world when it comes to their jobs? **** no. So Wince had no reason to do it. That's why he gets booed. KG didn't fake injuries, Ray Allen didn't fake injuries, Kobe didn't, and Lebron didn't...and that's just a few. It goes to show what a ****in loser Wince is compared to those guys, and that's why he'll never get a ring, or get mine and many Raps fans respect again.

agreed.

Bigbadmoffo
05-29-2010, 02:30 AM
i would def take Hedo back again in Orlando he didnt whine at all here i never wanted him to leave

Hedo for gortat straight up.
Then you can try vince and hedo together.

OA SLAY
05-29-2010, 02:32 AM
who the hell is Wince?

Tulanehockey
05-29-2010, 03:04 AM
Swap him for Carter and then the Raptors can swap Bosh for Luol Deng or Andrew Bynum.

OA SLAY
05-29-2010, 03:07 AM
You gotta love how TO fans still think allstars wanna go there, Guess they havent clued in over the last 15years.

kblo247
05-29-2010, 03:11 AM
You gotta love how TO fans still think allstars wanna go there, Guess they havent clued in over the last 15years.

You say that with a Knicks avatar?

Tribe
05-29-2010, 03:13 AM
Half the roster probably wants out of Toronto...5 yrs from now they wont even have a team anyway

cav_till_i_die
05-29-2010, 03:30 AM
should have stayed in Orlando or went to the Blazers.

cav_till_i_die
05-29-2010, 03:32 AM
You say that with a Knicks avatar?

hahahahahahahahahaha :laugh2:

heathonater
05-29-2010, 03:59 AM
im so glad that hedo didnt sign with portland. he clearly mailed it in this season when things were going south for toronto. thats not the type of player you want if you want to contend in the nba.

chitownbears89
05-29-2010, 04:00 AM
Man who is left. First bosh and then hedo. Man rough.

OA SLAY
05-29-2010, 04:05 AM
Knicks have nothing but allstars...problem is they are all washed up once they arrive.

kArSoN RyDaH
05-29-2010, 04:15 AM
heres a word for hedo- you are not good enough to make demands in this league. lmaoo

ldc62
05-29-2010, 05:43 AM
Please just leave!!! Vince for Hedo? Sure... If he wants to void his contract then thats fine.

ryder78c
05-29-2010, 06:01 AM
im so glad that hedo didnt sign with portland. he clearly mailed it in this season when things were going south for toronto. thats not the type of player you want if you want to contend in the nba.

he had health problems alot of the year and still played thru em! he even got boo'd by toronto fans because he was hurt and sat out come on now doesnt that tell you sumthen

Rapthug
05-29-2010, 07:18 AM
he had health problems alot of the year and still played thru em! he even got boo'd by toronto fans because he was hurt and sat out come on now doesnt that tell you sumthen

tells me "sumthen".....you don't know what you're talking about.

he played thru nothing, his attitude was piss poor, and he didn't play hard.

netsgiantsyanks
05-29-2010, 07:23 AM
tough luck, he should of signed with portland

basketfan4life
05-29-2010, 07:40 AM
not because he is from my country, but hedo doesn't deserve all the blame this year...they used him as a corner shooter,what do you expect?

i watched the program, he is really sad and i think he showed all the world what he is capable of doing in the right circumstances. he is clutch and can control the ball, you may not believe this but he is a tough guy, gives it all in defense, he just needs to feel like a part of an organization...actually the reason of the drop in dwights producivity was hedos leaving, i don't see those alley oops this year with dwight, he was actually the only player who can give the ball to dwight in the right position...

he has to play like a point forward, not like an open shooter.

Mman
05-29-2010, 07:41 AM
memo to Bosh, or any other free agent look what has happened to Hedo , could happen to you, sign a deal with another team ,and things just may not work out.

Rapthug
05-29-2010, 08:05 AM
not because he is from my country, but hedo doesn't deserve all the blame this year...they used him as a corner shooter,what do you expect?

i watched the program, he is really sad and i think he showed all the world what he is capable of doing in the right circumstances. he is clutch and can control the ball, you may not believe this but he is a tough guy, gives it all in defense, he just needs to feel like a part of an organization...actually the reason of the drop in dwights producivity was hedos leaving, i don't see those alley oops this year with dwight, he was actually the only player who can give the ball to dwight in the right position...

he has to play like a point forward, not like an open shooter.

You are correct. They used him poorly but that shouldn't have stopped him from playing hard. It's not so much the numbers he put up; it's that he didn't hustle or seem to care that angers fans. Hedo is great at making excuses and not taking any blame.

SNYmets86
05-29-2010, 08:42 AM
damn turk was beast with the MAGIC .... to bad he ended up in toronto:facepalm:

DitchDat
05-29-2010, 08:43 AM
Oh no hedon't !

PG Gilbert Arenas
SF Rashard Lewis
C Eddy Curry
SG Hedo Turkoglu
PF Elton Brand

nice overpaid team !

thescore53
05-29-2010, 08:54 AM
And Thank You

well if he can get released i would take him at a low price nuthin like we would of paid him but i thank the raptors for that maybe if he renegotiate's his contract to somethen around 1.5-2 million a year i'd take a trade for him

DeRozan, Hedo(New Contract)

for Rudy Fernandez & Patty Mills 2nd round pick

what makes you think we wanna trade derozan

thescore53
05-29-2010, 08:57 AM
Vince carter for turkoglu makes sense for both teams, except VC gets booed too much in toronto so i dont think he wants to come back.
i would definatly like vince back on the raptors even if he does suck **** now. Vince was inspiration for kids growing up playing ball. id love to see him back on the raptors. even though his contract is nasty.

turkoglu if yu really want out, ask for a 1 million buyout and get resigned for the vets minumum at ORLANDO>

isnt he an expiring

thescore53
05-29-2010, 09:03 AM
Half the roster probably wants out of Toronto...5 yrs from now they wont even have a team anyway

wow this coming from a cavs fan, lol, the least desirable city in the nba, dude we have a better chance landing lebron than you do, and i dont think it takes 5 years for you guys cause as soon as lebron leaves the value of your team will drop

thescore53
05-29-2010, 09:07 AM
memo to Bosh, or any other free agent look what has happened to Hedo , could happen to you, sign a deal with another team ,and things just may not work out.

theres a big difference between bosh and and hedo,

Kakaroach
05-29-2010, 09:37 AM
I was thinking about it, and it really will be close to impossible to move Hedo. He's coming off a horrible season, he still has that big contract on the books, and he's not getting any younger.

Right now, I can't think of any team that would make a move for him.

E-Man117
05-29-2010, 09:42 AM
Of course the fans gave him a hard time, we paid him soo much money and he underperformed and went out drinking before games, showing up to games hungover and unable to play. This news just made my week though, if BC cant trade him, hes willing to walk away!? BEAUTIFUL. bye bye hedo

marvILLous
05-29-2010, 09:52 AM
this is the most childish post i've ever made.

Vince for hedo. Please.

do it!

thecure
05-29-2010, 10:03 AM
If the Raptors starting five was full of mid-level talent that left it out on the floor every game... you would never hear a boo in the ACC directed at a Raptor. All the fans want is good effort...
Why do you think VC is so hated... hes a coaster, just like Hedo. I laughed when Orl. signed VC... I should have cried when we signed Hedope... I just didnt know!

TrevorE
05-29-2010, 10:16 AM
If the Raptors starting five was full of mid-level talent that left it out on the floor every game... you would never hear a boo in the ACC directed at a Raptor. All the fans want is good effort...
Why do you think VC is so hated... hes a coaster, just like Hedo. I laughed when Orl. signed VC... I should have cried when we signed Hedope... I just didnt know!


I didn't know either, guess we were naive just like Orlando was. We knew exactly what Orlando was getting. I loved reading Orlando fans form about how, "just wait and see vince will tear it up in the playoffs" it was pretty funny. I wonder if Vince's mom has season seats and her own parking spot in orlando too. I'm sure he's enjoying the money and all that suns going to his head.

Hawkeye15
05-29-2010, 10:20 AM
haha, well, Toronto wants out of Hedo too. So what? You make too much money, you are stuck for now

North Yorker
05-29-2010, 10:20 AM
This is the most childish post I've ever made.

Vince for Hedo. Please.

As a Raps fan I would be open to this as option B. Option A is he just renounces his contract.

jdricks
05-29-2010, 10:39 AM
Expect this to end with both sides just agreeing to a nice solid little 10 million dollar buyout in which he is free to sign with any team. I think it was a mistake signing him in the first place, I mean pairing him with a team that plays absolutely no defense. Even if he is released my question is where the helll is he suppose to go now. Not many people want a slow 33 year old Turkish small forward whose inconsistent.

Sly Guy
05-29-2010, 10:52 AM
Expect this to end with both sides just agreeing to a nice solid little 10 million dollar buyout in which he is free to sign with any team. I think it was a mistake signing him in the first place, I mean pairing him with a team that plays absolutely no defense. Even if he is released my question is where the helll is he suppose to go now. Not many people want a slow 33 year old Turkish small forward whose inconsistent.

and this is why there will be no buyout. Why would he give up all that money for $10mil?

MaHaRaJaH
05-29-2010, 10:55 AM
I was thinking about it, and it really will be close to impossible to move Hedo. He's coming off a horrible season, he still has that big contract on the books, and he's not getting any younger.

Right now, I can't think of any team that would make a move for him.

There's always Releasing :sigh:

MaHaRaJaH
05-29-2010, 10:56 AM
As a Raps fan I would be open to this as option B. Option A is he just renounces his contract.

I find you're lack of faith utterly disturbing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8GEidaMMI)

xabial
05-29-2010, 11:04 AM
We'll give you an eddy's 11.2m expiring, and S&t David Lee For Bosh and Hedo

jetsforever
05-29-2010, 11:06 AM
Dirtbag. He was so garbage last year anyways

North Yorker
05-29-2010, 11:08 AM
We'll give you an eddy's 11.2m expiring, and S&t David Lee For Bosh and Hedo

Would only do this in a 3-way where we could flip Lee to another team for either a C,SF, or legit PG.

Kakaroach
05-29-2010, 11:09 AM
There's always Releasing :sigh: That would be just brutal.

Stuckey#3
05-29-2010, 11:15 AM
In light of the Washington situation, how about Hedo and Calderon for Arenas? One bad contract for another, but you might be able to build around Arenas as long as he doesn't bring his guns to town.

Mman
05-29-2010, 11:24 AM
theres a big difference between bosh and and hedo,

I totally agree , but with that said Bosh, had O'neal, Marion and Hedo, and it did not seem to work any of them, sometimes you have to look at Bosh being the problem?
Let's say Bosh goes somewhere else what if he does not click with them either.the same could happen to the others as well as Bosh.

Lakerfrk
05-29-2010, 11:29 AM
The problem really is that Bosh is NOT a #1 option.. he is a great #2... he would be great with Lebron, Wade, or even the Lakers.

$KnicksAndKobe$
05-29-2010, 11:30 AM
I totally agree , but with that said Bosh, had O'neal, Marion and Hedo, and it did not seem to work any of them, sometimes you have to look at Bosh being the problem?
Let's say Bosh goes somewhere else what if he does not click with them either.the same could happen to the others as well as Bosh.

Or maybe we should just look at the problem being that he shouldn't be the #1 guy on a team. Like Gasol and Amare he probably needs a player better than him on the team.

Gasol got Kobe
Amare got Nash
Bosh needs Lebron or Wade

Blackjack24
05-29-2010, 11:35 AM
haha, well, Toronto wants out of Hedo too. So what? You make too much money, you are stuck for now

Well said. Hedo's probably one of the five most untradeable contracts in the NBA right now. He's up there with Brand and Arenas.

streetballa
05-29-2010, 11:41 AM
In light of the Washington situation, how about Hedo and Calderon for Arenas? One bad contract for another, but you might be able to build around Arenas as long as he doesn't bring his guns to town.

If he goes to Toronto he won't need guns. I mean why does he need them in Canada?

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 11:42 AM
Half the roster probably wants out of Toronto...5 yrs from now they wont even have a team anyway

:laugh2: When Lebron leaves, the Cavs turn back into a 20 win team, and the attendance rate drops 20 spots, we'll see which city won't have a franchise.

Kakaroach
05-29-2010, 11:44 AM
Hedo Turkoglu recently told a Turkish TV station that he is actively trying to be released from the Raptors.

Turkoglu was benched late in the season after reports surfaced that he had been out on the town just hours after missing a crushing loss with a stomach virus. He was booed by the home fans, which he called "the most embarrassing moment of my life."

His lawyers are involved and it sounds like he might even negotiate a buyout: "Honestly, I do not want to go back to Toronto. My lawyers talked to [GM Bryan Colangelo] and I hope that they will come up with a solution soon." http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2010/05/28/hedo-turkoglu-i-do-not-want-to-go-back-to-toronto/

dtmagnet
05-29-2010, 11:47 AM
I guess he doesn't care about losing that money then.

KaganRS
05-29-2010, 11:48 AM
Not many people want a slow 33 year old Turkish small forward whose inconsistent.

What does being Turkish have to do with it ? Watch your mouth.

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 11:50 AM
I guess he doesn't care about losing that money then.

hopefully. If he walks away from the $ that would be great for us.

xabial
05-29-2010, 11:57 AM
What does being Turkish have to do with it ? Watch your mouth.

Maybe hes trying to say White NBA players have less athleticism then black NBA players. :hide:

knickerbockerny
05-29-2010, 11:58 AM
He sounds pretty adamant and had lawyers involved. They are definitely negotiating a buyout, so he could skip town.

I expect him to resign with the Magic for the mid level.

Wow he is going to give back a ton of money. Because no one is going to give him that much money at his age and the way he quit on the Raptors. He most have ran into some trouble in Toronto or something.

Mplsman
05-29-2010, 12:04 PM
You can't really blame the guy. It's not like bosh is coming back either. Who else does he have to play with, derozan?

basketfan4life
05-29-2010, 12:05 PM
You know we are from the same country, i watched the repeat of the program now and here is what he said...

HİS PERFORMANCE: He said there were 2 reasons why he played poorly, his part and organisations part, he said "when they were offering a contract to me, they told me that they are thinking me as the primary ball-handler, they are gonna try to give me the same role in orlando,but from the beginning of the season they used me as a static shooter, i told them numerious times, my best performans comes when i move on/off the ball and creat mismatches for myself, but trianno never listened to me...in a lot of games this year my defender told me "what the hell are you doing here,it is so easy to defend you now,you are not moving,you turned in to a shooter..." and i have my part, i can't say i gave my all on the court a lot of times, i let my anger to take my agressiveness out of me and became a passive player,but it all started with the way the teams strategy and how they used me"

Night Club İncident: "that day we had a game against denver and i was sick,i couldn't sleep all night, i went to practice but they said you are not ok,don't practice...before the game i wanted to play,coach told me "there is no such thing playing you without practice,you go home,rest and play against miami and charlotte..." i went to gym and practiced,watched the game against denver then i went home,at night just i got in to bed one of my european teammates called me and said come here all team is here, that place -not even a night club- is 100 meters away from home,i went there and all team was there, i stayed there only 10 to 15 minutes then i left there with A.Bargniani,that's all,but the owner especially reported it the way it was in the press,if someone prooves that i stayed there more than 15 mins or all of my teammates weren't there,i am ready to give up(release) my contract,there was no single fault on my part about this incident, after this fans booed me and i was very sad but i don't blame the fans because they heard everything wrong,actually toronto has great fans...after this incident i decided to leave, my lawyers are talking to the organisation now,i swear to god i did nothing wrong in this incident and owner report it this way on purpose,so i wanna leave, i hope i can leave..."

Chris Bosh:"he may stay, nobody including him knows what he is exactly gonna do...but there is a sense in the team that he is going to leave and if he leaves he is going to miami or chicago, nobody on the raptors squad thinks he is going to play on a team other than raptors/bulls/heat...it comes down to the point if he chooses to be the primary star to achieve something,or he thinks realistically and figures out that there is very slight chance here to go deep in the playyoffs,accepts to be the robin to some badman and he leaves,we'll all see..."

he also added that "if the raptors wanna be successfull,one of their starting big man has to be an inside player,bargniani and bosh's offensive game are very similar,they are both great players but this similarity makes the team defendeable on offense" and he said "playing with d.howard was an unbeliavable experience,makes everyones job on offense so much easier and sometimes throwing the ball to air is all you have to do on offense with dwight around..."

Idaliscious
05-29-2010, 12:08 PM
Well said. Hedo's probably one of the five most untradeable contracts in the NBA right now. He's up there with Brand and Arenas.

Don't forget Rashad Lewis. He sets the bar.

MagicBucsSox
05-29-2010, 12:08 PM
Lmao watching Vince kill the magic must really hurt hedo. Idk why you people are hard on hedo for this? I commend it he's not trying sit back and get paid he liked winning and we all know where he wants to go. More players should be like this

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 12:08 PM
You can't really blame the guy. It's not like bosh is coming back either. Who else does he have to play with, derozan?

What? If he didn't have such a crap *** season, maybe we woulda made the playoffs and made some noise. Of course you can blame him. He was supposed to be our 2nd best player, and he was barely our 4th best player.

Mplsman
05-29-2010, 12:19 PM
What? If he didn't have such a crap *** season, maybe we woulda made the playoffs and made some noise. Of course you can blame him. He was supposed to be our 2nd best player, and he was barely our 4th best player.

I feel you. As a Wolves fan, trust me I feel you. He took a lot of money and did not earn it.

BBadger1989
05-29-2010, 12:26 PM
Who thinks that this can lead to a trade between Toronto and Washington?

Toronto gets:
Arenas $16,192,080.

Washington:
Turkoglu $9,000,000.
Banks $4,553,793.
Evans $4,960,000

Both teams get rid of players and contracts they want to forget. This seems like one of the only options these teams seem to have for moving these players.

the_jon
05-29-2010, 12:30 PM
Hedo sucks ball...

GodsSon
05-29-2010, 12:32 PM
Half the roster probably wants out of Toronto...5 yrs from now they wont even have a team anyway

Lol says the fan from Cleveland whose team will cease to exist once LeBron runs this summer

B2theRY
05-29-2010, 12:41 PM
This is the most childish post I've ever made.

Vince for Hedo. Please.


no Thank you.
i rahter have neither..

i watched VC in the playoffs the guy is like a 60 year old man

ink
05-29-2010, 12:45 PM
Maybe we need a webpage or facebook group apologizing to Hedo and show that we aren't a bunch of whiny babies. I believe him and looks like he's not lying about the night club thing. We need to accept we were wrong and not **** our organization up by losing Hedo. He can be a good player theres no question....he was a goto guy on a Team that went to the Finals. We can't lose him because were acting like babies. I would make a facebook group saying sorry to him if you all would join and spread the word. Show him we don't want to lose him even if it means we have to suck it up and keep his contract.

At least you understand that there are two sides to the story. A lot of people have just vilified the guy for nothing.

pebloemer
05-29-2010, 01:18 PM
You can't really blame the guy. It's not like bosh is coming back either. Who else does he have to play with, derozan?

He signed the contract one year ago with the club. He should have known the possibility of Bosh leaving and players he would be surrounded by before he signed the deal.

TrevorE
05-29-2010, 01:35 PM
At least you understand that there are two sides to the story. A lot of people have just vilified the guy for nothing.

Thank you.

I'm not saying there is no fault here on Hedo but how many of us have caved in and apologized to the wife/gf or w/e just because we didn't want to deal with the **** that came with it.

Hedo is Toronto's GF....we need to just Apologize we will regret it. Even if it's to save face to the rest of the NBA players who might of once considered coming here.

Dol-Fan
05-29-2010, 01:38 PM
I wish he wouldn't have said that. I was hoping BC would trade Calderon and let Hedo be primary ball handler. I felt all year that Hedo could have been so much more effective, although I'm still not entirely impressed with the effort he put forth.

ink
05-29-2010, 01:41 PM
Thank you.

I'm not saying there is no fault here on Hedo but how many of us have caved in and apologized to the wife/gf or w/e just because we didn't want to deal with the **** that came with it.

Hedo is Toronto's GF....we need to just Apologize we will regret it. Even if it's to save face to the rest of the NBA players who might of once considered coming here.

Exactly. Seems like Toronto has a lot of ex-GFs though. The city's reputation is taking a beating when it comes to the way they treat their athletes.


I wish he wouldn't have said that. I was hoping BC would trade Calderon and let Hedo be primary ball handler. I felt all year that Hedo could have been so much more effective, although I'm still not entirely impressed with the effort he put forth.

Completely agree.

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 01:46 PM
I wish he wouldn't have said that. I was hoping BC would trade Calderon and let Hedo be primary ball handler. I felt all year that Hedo could have been so much more effective, although I'm still not entirely impressed with the effort he put forth.

this is exactly how I felt about Hedo

ink
05-29-2010, 01:47 PM
this is exactly how I feel about Hedo

:confused: I thought you said he was a piece of ****.

gwrighter
05-29-2010, 01:52 PM
who knows, depending on what happens this offseason maybe hedo will stay. whether he stays or goes is like apples and oranges at this point.

PrettyBoyJ
05-29-2010, 01:57 PM
He had a chance in Portland he missed out

Sadds The Gr8
05-29-2010, 02:30 PM
:confused: I thought you said he was a piece of ****.

for wanting to leave i think he's a piece of ****. But before that interview, I felt the same way as Dol-Fan

laker18
05-29-2010, 02:37 PM
toronto trades turkoglu to phili for igoudala???
possibly another piece going to philly but not sure what they would want for him

Dol-Fan
05-29-2010, 03:04 PM
Exactly. Seems like Toronto has a lot of ex-GFs though. The city's reputation is taking a beating when it comes to the way they treat their athletes.



Completely agree.

It's funny how our whole Olympic ceremony was based on how courteous and polite us Canadians are but we're the biggest crybabies when it comes to athletes.

Rego247
05-29-2010, 03:07 PM
toronto trades turkoglu to phili for igoudala???
possibly another piece going to philly but not sure what they would want for him

make it so. id do that in a heartbeat.

thescore53
05-29-2010, 03:10 PM
Expect this to end with both sides just agreeing to a nice solid little 10 million dollar buyout in which he is free to sign with any team. I think it was a mistake signing him in the first place, I mean pairing him with a team that plays absolutely no defense. Even if he is released my question is where the helll is he suppose to go now. Not many people want a slow 33 year old Turkish small forward whose inconsistent.

it was a desperation signing,he didnt fit in at all , we needed a sf/sg that can create for himself not a sf who can create for others, we already have a pass first point guard

thescore53
05-29-2010, 03:16 PM
He sounds pretty adamant and had lawyers involved. They are definitely negotiating a buyout, so he could skip town.

I expect him to resign with the Magic for the mid level.

Wow he is going to give back a ton of money. Because no one is going to give him that much money at his age and the way he quit on the Raptors. He most have ran into some trouble in Toronto or something.

i'm not sure but their was talks that some fan saw him partying with some girls and the fan took a picture of them, hedo then stood up and forcefully delete the pics

thescore53
05-29-2010, 03:23 PM
i feel bad cause hedo will get booed, i wish we can forget it, it's not like we wanted him her, but he is being treated unfairly

ink
05-29-2010, 03:27 PM
It's funny how our whole Olympic ceremony was based on how courteous and polite us Canadians are but we're the biggest crybabies when it comes to athletes.

Yup!

clutchski
05-29-2010, 03:31 PM
i feel bad cause hedo will get booed, i wish we can forget it, it's not like we wanted him her, but he is being treated unfairly

I'd like to be paid millions to play basketball and be treated unfairly. I think he's running away from the problem.

akesh99
05-29-2010, 04:25 PM
Who thinks that this can lead to a trade between Toronto and Washington?

Toronto gets:
Arenas $16,192,080.

Washington:
Turkoglu $9,000,000.
Banks $4,553,793.
Evans $4,960,000

Both teams get rid of players and contracts they want to forget. This seems like one of the only options these teams seem to have for moving these players.

I would be verry happy to see this go down! It's as clear as day, Hedo's time in Toronto is up. Whoever's fault it was, his or the organizations, both parties need a split. The same goes for Arenas and Washington. I really think Arenas has a lot left in the tank. He is still fairly young and is desprately in need of a change of scenery. I could really see Arenas returning to his allstar form in Toronto. Although even with Arenas, we don't have a clear picture of what next season will look like, this could be enough to entice Bosh to stay. Maybe he signs a 2 or 3 yr deal based on the potential of being paired with an allstar Arenas? Either way, I'd be willing to put my eggs in Arenas' basket.

Kakaroach
05-29-2010, 04:30 PM
A Toronto-Wizards trade of Arenas does make a little sense, but would the Raptors organization wanna take a chance on Arenas? But I don't see any other potential moves for the two teams either.

td0tsfinest
05-29-2010, 04:34 PM
A Toronto-Wizards trade of Arenas does make a little sense, but would the Raptors organization wanna take a chance on Arenas? But I don't see any other potential moves for the two teams either.

I really wouldn't be surprised if that did happen. But it wouldn't make sense for the Wizards to do that? They're trying to rebuild and adding a 30-something guy with 4 years left on his $52 Million, doesn't exactly make sense but the Wizards may being down for anything, as long as it gets rid of Arenas.

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 04:35 PM
A Toronto-Wizards trade of Arenas does make a little sense, but would the Raptors organization wanna take a chance on Arenas? But I don't see any other potential moves for the two teams either.

i'll personally hire a psychologist and therapy seasons and security people in the locker room to make sure areanas becomes a change person , its all the raptors can do.

im very sure hedo for areanas will happen. book it. who knows, if arenas changes.. like ZBO did.
it could really pay off for the raptors.

thescore53
05-29-2010, 04:37 PM
wtf theres nothing wrong with arenas he just made a mistake

td0tsfinest
05-29-2010, 04:38 PM
i'll personally hire a psychologist and therapy seasons and security people in the locker room to make sure areanas becomes a change person , its all the raptors can do.

im very sure hedo for areanas will happen. book it. who knows, if arenas changes.. like ZBO did.
it could really pay off for the raptors.

except ZBO didn't change

http://www.afro.com/sections/sports/story.htm?storyid=1361

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 04:39 PM
You know we are from the same country, i watched the repeat of the program now and here is what he said...

HİS PERFORMANCE: He said there were 2 reasons why he played poorly, his part and organisations part, he said "when they were offering a contract to me, they told me that they are thinking me as the primary ball-handler, they are gonna try to give me the same role in orlando,but from the beginning of the season they used me as a static shooter, i told them numerious times, my best performans comes when i move on/off the ball and creat mismatches for myself, but trianno never listened to me...in a lot of games this year my defender told me "what the hell are you doing here,it is so easy to defend you now,you are not moving,you turned in to a shooter..." and i have my part, i can't say i gave my all on the court a lot of times, i let my anger to take my agressiveness out of me and became a passive player,but it all started with the way the teams strategy and how they used me"

Night Club İncident: "that day we had a game against denver and i was sick,i couldn't sleep all night, i went to practice but they said you are not ok,don't practice...before the game i wanted to play,coach told me "there is no such thing playing you without practice,you go home,rest and play against miami and charlotte..." i went to gym and practiced,watched the game against denver then i went home,at night just i got in to bed one of my european teammates called me and said come here all team is here, that place -not even a night club- is 100 meters away from home,i went there and all team was there, i stayed there only 10 to 15 minutes then i left there with A.Bargniani,that's all,but the owner especially reported it the way it was in the press,if someone prooves that i stayed there more than 15 mins or all of my teammates weren't there,i am ready to give up(release) my contract,there was no single fault on my part about this incident, after this fans booed me and i was very sad but i don't blame the fans because they heard everything wrong,actually toronto has great fans...after this incident i decided to leave, my lawyers are talking to the organisation now,i swear to god i did nothing wrong in this incident and owner report it this way on purpose,so i wanna leave, i hope i can leave..."

Chris Bosh:"he may stay, nobody including him knows what he is exactly gonna do...but there is a sense in the team that he is going to leave and if he leaves he is going to miami or chicago, nobody on the raptors squad thinks he is going to play on a team other than raptors/bulls/heat...it comes down to the point if he chooses to be the primary star to achieve something,or he thinks realistically and figures out that there is very slight chance here to go deep in the playyoffs,accepts to be the robin to some badman and he leaves,we'll all see..."

he also added that "if the raptors wanna be successfull,one of their starting big man has to be an inside player,bargniani and bosh's offensive game are very similar,they are both great players but this similarity makes the team defendeable on offense" and he said "playing with d.howard was an unbeliavable experience,makes everyones job on offense so much easier and sometimes throwing the ball to air is all you have to do on offense with dwight around..."

if this is true, it makes sense. But i dont get why bryan colangelo got depht at the PG spot if he had hedo,doesnt make sense...

Sixerlover
05-29-2010, 04:41 PM
That is actually a very realistic trade for both squads.

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 04:41 PM
except ZBO didn't change

http://www.afro.com/sections/sports/story.htm?storyid=1361

he changed his attitude on the TEAM, his behaviour outside the team is sitll ****.

Kakaroach
05-29-2010, 04:41 PM
I really wouldn't be surprised if that did happen. But it wouldn't make sense for the Wizards to do that? They're trying to rebuild and adding a 30-something guy with 4 years left on his $52 Million, doesn't exactly make sense but the Wizards may being down for anything, as long as it gets rid of Arenas. Yeah those were my thoughts, they just wanna get rid of Agent 0 before Wall gets there.

Should be interesting, this could potentially be a real scenario.

RaptorizedKevin
05-29-2010, 04:42 PM
That is actually a very realistic trade for both squads.

i'll take it.calderon + turkoglu for Areanas. that gives the wizards bad old guys with veteran presance, it could work for guidance.

the raptors have expirings and draft picks and yung players to work with in order to aquire another player to convince bosh to stay, if not, rebuild.

wth? why is there a lighbulb on my reply

SirCalvin81
05-29-2010, 05:11 PM
Get paid and shut up

Hawkeye15
05-29-2010, 08:44 PM
I don't even care to read the previous 12 pages. Turk basically saying he doesn't like the way he was treated, and doesn't want to return is ridiculous when you factor in he has nearly an untradeable contract. He gets paid way too much to be an average player basically. It is going to be real ackward showing up to training camp, cause unless Toronto will take a one sided deal just to move him, nobody would want him at the money and length of contract he has.

Eagles4Lyfe
05-29-2010, 08:45 PM
And Thank You

well if he can get released i would take him at a low price nuthin like we would of paid him but i thank the raptors for that maybe if he renegotiate's his contract to somethen around 1.5-2 million a year i'd take a trade for him

DeRozan, Hedo(New Contract)

for Rudy Fernandez & Patty Mills 2nd round pick

I got a better one how about hedo for brandon roy and marcus camby sounds more fair than your offer

Half the roster probably wants out of Toronto...5 yrs from now they wont even have a team anyway
LOL cleveland the most irrelevant city when it comes to all sports will have there teams and the city itself replenished soon, so i dont know why you out of all people are talking about next cities..

You know we are from the same country, i watched the repeat of the program now and here is what he said...

HİS PERFORMANCE: He said there were 2 reasons why he played poorly, his part and organisations part, he said "when they were offering a contract to me, they told me that they are thinking me as the primary ball-handler, they are gonna try to give me the same role in orlando,but from the beginning of the season they used me as a static shooter, i told them numerious times, my best performans comes when i move on/off the ball and creat mismatches for myself, but trianno never listened to me...in a lot of games this year my defender told me "what the hell are you doing here,it is so easy to defend you now,you are not moving,you turned in to a shooter..." and i have my part, i can't say i gave my all on the court a lot of times, i let my anger to take my agressiveness out of me and became a passive player,but it all started with the way the teams strategy and how they used me"

Night Club İncident: "that day we had a game against denver and i was sick,i couldn't sleep all night, i went to practice but they said you are not ok,don't practice...before the game i wanted to play,coach told me "there is no such thing playing you without practice,you go home,rest and play against miami and charlotte..." i went to gym and practiced,watched the game against denver then i went home,at night just i got in to bed one of my european teammates called me and said come here all team is here, that place -not even a night club- is 100 meters away from home,i went there and all team was there, i stayed there only 10 to 15 minutes then i left there with A.Bargniani,that's all,but the owner especially reported it the way it was in the press,if someone prooves that i stayed there more than 15 mins or all of my teammates weren't there,i am ready to give up(release) my contract,there was no single fault on my part about this incident, after this fans booed me and i was very sad but i don't blame the fans because they heard everything wrong,actually toronto has great fans...after this incident i decided to leave, my lawyers are talking to the organisation now,i swear to god i did nothing wrong in this incident and owner report it this way on purpose,so i wanna leave, i hope i can leave..."

Chris Bosh:"he may stay, nobody including him knows what he is exactly gonna do...but there is a sense in the team that he is going to leave and if he leaves he is going to miami or chicago, nobody on the raptors squad thinks he is going to play on a team other than raptors/bulls/heat...it comes down to the point if he chooses to be the primary star to achieve something,or he thinks realistically and figures out that there is very slight chance here to go deep in the playyoffs,accepts to be the robin to some badman and he leaves,we'll all see..."

he also added that "if the raptors wanna be successfull,one of their starting big man has to be an inside player,bargniani and bosh's offensive game are very similar,they are both great players but this similarity makes the team defendeable on offense" and he said "playing with d.howard was an unbeliavable experience,makes everyones job on offense so much easier and sometimes throwing the ball to air is all you have to do on offense with dwight around..."
Thanks for that translation it was much needed and every damn thing he said is true, i really dont want this guy to leave hes a really valuable asset:(



I really wouldn't be surprised if that did happen. But it wouldn't make sense for the Wizards to do that? They're trying to rebuild and adding a 30-something guy with 4 years left on his $52 Million, doesn't exactly make sense but the Wizards may being down for anything, as long as it gets rid of Arenas.

I would not touch arenas at all if i was toronto i mean hes not what we need if we get rid of hedo i rather free up the cap space if anything not get back a big contract myself

thescore53
05-29-2010, 08:54 PM
hedo needs a tough coach to keep him in check,

Caps1989
05-29-2010, 09:03 PM
seems like Toranto is the New Jersey of basketball desitnations.

thescore53
05-29-2010, 09:13 PM
^^ that doesn't even make sense, and it's *Toronto*

pistonsfanomg
05-29-2010, 09:13 PM
Hedo to Magic

SA5195
05-29-2010, 09:14 PM
seems like Toranto is the New Jersey of basketball desitnations.

lol, what city are you talking about? Cause we're talking about Toronto right now.

And other people, don't get too serious on this comment, it's a joke.

pistonsfanomg
05-29-2010, 09:18 PM
im just gonna laugh at you! lay off the crack!

you think derozan is gonna be a star then lets watch the raptors fall flat on there face like they have been since they came into the league derozan=Outlaw

Hedo aint worth nuthin derozan he isnt even close to even nicolas batum you keep you 9ppg and i'll watch my team smoke your team every game they play you this coming up season.....watch bosh walk and hedo get released and the raptors get beat by the nets all year hahaaaaa

lol Hedo for Brandon Roy and Marcus Camby

thescore53
05-29-2010, 09:25 PM
im just gonna laugh at you! lay off the crack!

you think derozan is gonna be a star then lets watch the raptors fall flat on there face like they have been since they came into the league derozan=Outlaw

Hedo aint worth nuthin derozan he isnt even close to even nicolas batum you keep you 9ppg and i'll watch my team smoke your team every game they play you this coming up season.....watch bosh walk and hedo get released and the raptors get beat by the nets all year hahaaaaa

you think hedo is gonna help us win ball games, derozan is a fan favourite just like batum is a fan fav for you guys,

dont get mad cause hedo chose us over you, isnt it a coincidence how he said he was gonna sign and but as soon as he visited the city he backed out

blah-blah
05-29-2010, 09:35 PM
i would do hedo for carter in a second doesnt carters contract expire next year? and i would also do hedo for arenas i think arenas is still a good player just made a mistake

thescore53
05-29-2010, 09:38 PM
its funny how after one season he wants to leave! im glad the dumb raptors team signed him to a 54 million dollar deal it makes that team non contenders for MANY years...if they ever were hahaaaa and the reason he signed with the raptors is because we didnt offer as much Money....another arguement that got you no where now say somethen with some sense or imma just look at all raptors fans like i look at there owner and GM! Blame Canada

no, im pretty sure it was because of the city, good luck signing free agents though

SA5195
05-29-2010, 09:46 PM
its funny how after one season he wants to leave! im glad the dumb raptors team signed him to a 54 million dollar deal it makes that team non contenders for MANY years...if they ever were hahaaaa and the reason he signed with the raptors is because we didnt offer as much Money....another arguement that got you no where now say somethen with some sense or imma just look at all raptors fans like i look at there owner and GM! Blame Canada

For what?

tonystarks90292
05-29-2010, 09:50 PM
BC needs to go too. Bad signing that never worked out. Nobody is going to want him with that contract.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/569744/shawn-kemp-lister-blister-o.gifQ0

tonystarks90292
05-29-2010, 09:50 PM
BC needs to go too. Bad signing that never worked out. Nobody is going to want him with that contract.

cali72888
05-29-2010, 09:57 PM
Turkoglu and DeRozan for Corry Maggette and Brandon Wright.

pistonsfanomg
05-29-2010, 09:58 PM
Turkoglu and DeRozan for Corry Maggette and Brandon Wright.

Corey Maggette is a good player


I like him

SA5195
05-29-2010, 09:59 PM
Turkoglu and DeRozan for Corry Maggette and Brandon Wright.

Derozan won't fit into GS's shooting style, and Maggette is the defenition of a ball hog, no thanks.

thescore53
05-29-2010, 10:07 PM
BC needs to go too. Bad signing that never worked out. Nobody is going to want him with that contract.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/569744/shawn-kemp-lister-blister-o.gifQ0

so you rather have rob babcock and draft another arujao, atleast bc is trying to make moves

thescore53
05-29-2010, 10:08 PM
Turkoglu and DeRozan for Corry Maggette and Brandon Wright.

no. i rather have derozan the both those guys

Mman
05-29-2010, 10:19 PM
i feel bad cause hedo will get booed, i wish we can forget it, it's not like we wanted him her, but he is being treated unfairly

Could you imagine if he ended up in Orlando and Vince is still with then , and their first game in Toronto next year,,,,who gets the loudest boo?

SA5195
05-29-2010, 10:25 PM
I wouldn't want Areanas near Derozan, Weems, and Amir.

And he's never been healthy for nearly 3 years, he'll never be on that star level again.

Eagles4Lyfe
05-29-2010, 10:48 PM
im just gonna laugh at you! lay off the crack!

you think derozan is gonna be a star then lets watch the raptors fall flat on there face like they have been since they came into the league derozan=Outlaw

Hedo aint worth nuthin derozan he isnt even close to even nicolas batum you keep you 9ppg and i'll watch my team smoke your team every game they play you this coming up season.....watch bosh walk and hedo get released and the raptors get beat by the nets all year hahaaaaa
why dont you take your own advice, maybe cause hes a rookie, ya a rookie labelled as a bust in his first year well ill be:facepalm:..HUH your team smoking my team wth is portland?? wth have they ever done thats so special:confused:..I dont get half these teams fans from portland cleveland like seriously WHO THE HECK ARE YOU GUYS, is your city even known anywhere besides where it is???Come again buddy bring your injury depleted team and im sure our second unit can beat your injury plagued team that can never pan out..



its funny how after one season he wants to leave! im glad the dumb raptors team signed him to a 54 million dollar deal it makes that team non contenders for MANY years...if they ever were hahaaaa and the reason he signed with the raptors is because we didnt offer as much Money....another arguement that got you no where now say somethen with some sense or imma just look at all raptors fans like i look at there owner and GM! Blame Canada

Blame canada tell me why seattle doesnt have a franchise anymore and how portlands any different from toronto?? Toronto is a better city period than portland, we generate more revenue for the league and we have a bgiger population than you and our city atleast has more than one sports team:facepalm:

ShakeN'Bake
05-29-2010, 10:52 PM
no. i rather have derozan the both those guys

Ya thats a dumb trade. Maggette is a black hole.

Rego247
05-29-2010, 11:08 PM
its funny how after one season he wants to leave! im glad the dumb raptors team signed him to a 54 million dollar deal it makes that team non contenders for MANY years...if they ever were hahaaaa and the reason he signed with the raptors is because we didnt offer as much Money....another arguement that got you no where now say somethen with some sense or imma just look at all raptors fans like i look at there owner and GM! Blame Canada

i know u were trying to be witty but no need for the last part.

it has nothing to do with the discussion.

ink
05-29-2010, 11:17 PM
Toronto is a better city period than portland, we generate more revenue for the league and we have a bgiger population than you and our city atleast has more than one sports team:facepalm:

I've lived in Toronto and worked in Portland and Seattle. There is NO WAY that anyone can say that Toronto is better than those two cities. Portland and Seattle are so many times better than tdot for quality of life and almost anything else it's just not funny. All things considered I don't see how the city itself could ever be regarded as a drawing card over great cities like those.

RaptorsFanatic
05-29-2010, 11:24 PM
^ Couldn't understand how this thread became into a discussion of which cities are better than the other. BTW, the Toronto franchise is NOT, I repeat NOT moving anywhere ANYTIME soon.

ink
05-29-2010, 11:34 PM
^ Couldn't understand how this thread became into a discussion of which cities are better than the other. BTW, the Toronto franchise is NOT, I repeat NOT moving anywhere ANYTIME soon.

Did someone say it was? :confused: As for discussion of which cities are better than other cities, the comparison was made in the article that started the thread.

Rego247
05-29-2010, 11:35 PM
I've lived in Toronto and worked in Portland and Seattle. There is NO WAY that anyone can say that Toronto is better than those two cities. Portland and Seattle are so many times better than tdot for quality of life and almost anything else it's just not funny. All things considered I don't see how the city itself could ever be regarded as a drawing card over great cities like those.

fair enough.

ink
05-29-2010, 11:36 PM
fair enough.

I responded to another poster's point. And Hedo compared his experiences in other cities in the article, so I'd say it actually IS part of the thread.

Toronto is unbelievably lucky to have an NBA franchise and yet the fan base considers it their god-given right to abuse players. :shrug: Maybe my math is off, but something there doesn't add up.

RaptorsFanatic
05-29-2010, 11:38 PM
Did someone say it was? :confused: As for discussion of which cities are better than other cities, the comparison was made in the article that started the thread.

Brain fart, my bad. I thought someone mentioned something about the franchise's future location, lol.

Rego247
05-29-2010, 11:42 PM
I responded to another poster's point. And Hedo compared his experiences in other cities in the article, so I'd say it actually IS part of the thread.

Toronto is unbelievably lucky to have an NBA franchise and yet the fan base considers it their god-given right to abuse players. :shrug: Maybe my math is off, but something there doesn't add up.

my bad ink i changed my post. i agree with that part. but is it really gonna change anytime soon? i think ppl will always scrutinize players, cuz the expectations are incredibly high. change the expectations change the mentality.

ink
05-29-2010, 11:56 PM
Quoting directly from the article that started the thread:


Hedo: Yeah. I’ve been playing in the USA for 10 years and this is the first time I’ve been booed by my own team’s fans. It’s a shocking situation and it made me feel extremely bad after. That was the most embarrassing moment in my life. God bless everyone, no exceptions!
KK: As far as we know, it’s not so common in American sports culture except in a few cities.
Hedo: I never experienced it before, maybe some little grumbles but…
MK: But we can treat Canada as an exception, Kaan.
KK: Yeah, it’s a much different fan base.
MK: Remember the protests against Vince Carter.
KK: Philadelphia and Toronto have bad reputations.

Rego247
05-29-2010, 11:59 PM
Quoting directly from the article that started the thread:

i believe raps fans were getting defensive about the city argument cuz the guy said blame canada in his posts. that has something to do with the thread going of off topic i guess.

ink
05-30-2010, 12:02 AM
i believe raps fans were getting defensive about the city argument cuz the guy said blame canada in his posts. that has something to do with the thread going of off topic i guess.

I understand. Problem is that Toronto has shot itself in the foot too many times by abusing players and now it has a reputation. We may not like it, but the city has a bad rap right now. Colangelo is in charge of a MASSIVE overhaul project here and Raps fans don't seem to get that. It's like a rehabilitation of the entire franchise and stuff like this is only making it worse.

RaptorsFanatic
05-30-2010, 12:04 AM
I understand. Problem is that Toronto has shot itself in the foot too many times by abusing players and now it has a reputation. We may not like it, but the city has a bad rap right now. Colangelo is in charge of a MASSIVE overhaul project here and Raps fans don't seem to get that. It's like a rehabilitation of the entire franchise and stuff like this is only making it worse.

Agreed. We really have been labelled as the "Screwface Capital". Now I actually understand how this can be very hurtful in a growth standpoint. I always used to think that label is cool, lol (Even though it sounds like it).

thescore53
05-30-2010, 12:07 AM
I've lived in Toronto and worked in Portland and Seattle. There is NO WAY that anyone can say that Toronto is better than those two cities. Portland and Seattle are so many times better than tdot for quality of life and almost anything else it's just not funny. All things considered I don't see how the city itself could ever be regarded as a drawing card over great cities like those.

a wise man once said the farther a canadian lives from toronto the more jealous they are, :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXIiMnbWPM

thescore53
05-30-2010, 12:10 AM
I responded to another poster's point. And Hedo compared his experiences in other cities in the article, so I'd say it actually IS part of the thread.

Toronto is unbelievably lucky to have an NBA franchise and yet the fan base considers it their god-given right to abuse players. :shrug: Maybe my math is off, but something there doesn't add up.

wouldnt say unbelievably lucky, it is a top 10 market in north America, and unlike vancouver it can support a team :D

RaptorsFanatic
05-30-2010, 12:11 AM
Toronto is #16 in the world in terms of quality of living. I really don't understand how people can even compare it to the likes of Portland and Seattle.

thescore53
05-30-2010, 12:17 AM
^^ dont mind ink just watch this video you'll see why he said that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXIiMnbWPM

and yes we are getting a bad rep, but hedo deserved some of it, remember j oneal he also was a huge disappointment but when he left we didn't boo him cause he worked his butt off everday, hedo really showed interest and started working hard near the end i do commend him for that, but it was a case of too little to late

ink
05-30-2010, 12:24 AM
a wise man once said the farther a canadian lives from toronto the more jealous they are, :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXIiMnbWPM

I had a great time going to University of Toronto and I know the city inside out. Born and raised in the Niagara Peninsula.


wouldnt say unbelievably lucky, it is a top 10 market in north America, and unlike vancouver it can support a team :D

Yes, unbelievably lucky. Canada has already lost the Expos and the Grizzlies and it's not because the cities couldn't support them. It's because the MLB and NBA allowed owners to buy teams who bought them under false pretenses. The same thing happened in Seattle with the Sonics, so it doesn't just have to do with Canada. All of those new owners promised they were not buying the team just to move them to another market, and all of those owners reneged on their word. They all lied about their intentions and moved the franchises as soon as they could.

Considering that Seattle had a fantastic history and still lost their franchise, and Toronto really has had no real success as a franchise and is treating the current management brutally, I think the city is really pushing their luck. Some of you may not be aware but if BC doesn't work out in Toronto, the NBA may not decide to keep floating a franchise in Canada. We know it's not a desirable destination for American players, and the fans don't like European players, so the league might just say, "you know what, there are other markets ..."


Toronto is #16 in the world in terms of quality of living. I really don't understand how people can even compare it to the likes of Portland and Seattle.

You'd have to see Portland and Seattle to know what I mean. Toronto may have more wealth, but then again, I'm not even sure about that considering Seattle has Boeing and Microsoft, and Portland has Paul Allen, 37th richest person in the world, and Nike Headquarters. Plus the cities are fantastic places to live, very clean, near some phenomenal places, and great for families. All these things are attractive to athletes who are planning their futures.

Mainly though, to bring this back to Hedo's comments, both cities have great reputations about the way they treat their athletes.

Kakaroach
05-30-2010, 12:37 AM
Toronto is #16 in the world in terms of quality of living. I really don't understand how people can even compare it to the likes of Portland and Seattle. I've said it for the longest time, Toronto is a gigantic market. I don't see why people rap on it either. They've had tough times with players because of guys like Carter and Hedo, but that doesn't take away from the city.

You don't have to look any further than the Raptors forum itself. One of the most active PSD NBA forums.

Hopefully this Hedo situation works out somehow though.

RaptorizedKevin
05-30-2010, 12:48 AM
hopefully hedo cant get traded and asks for a very cheap buyout. i think paying him 21.5 million instead of what his contract is worth ( 43.5 mil) would be fair enough to get him off our hands..

Kakaroach
05-30-2010, 12:51 AM
hopefully hedo cant get traded and asks for a very cheap buyout. i think paying him 21.5 million instead of what his contract is worth ( 43.5 mil) would be fair enough to get him off our hands.. Wouldn't you want it the other way around? Unless I'm mistaken, a player's contract that has been bought out still counts against the salary cap. So you'd want to trade him so you free up cap space.

RaptorizedKevin
05-30-2010, 12:54 AM
well the way i look at it, if hedo is traded hes traded with bosh to a contender. and i hedo chose cash over going to a contender. so why give him both things he wants ( a contending team and money) he chose money because of his greed and he should learn his lesson and learn to look at the bright spots of his situation in toronto in work harded. in others words, why make hedo happy when he screwed the raptors over. hge could had stayed with orland ( conteder) and wouldnt make as much money, so why give him that chance to be a contender and give him money when he was greedy and didnt derserve to be a contender seeing his circumstances and behaviour.

Kakaroach
05-30-2010, 12:58 AM
well the way i look at it, if hedo is traded hes traded with bosh to a contender. and i hedo chose cash over going to a contender. so why give him both things he wants ( a contending team and money) he chose money because of his greed and he should learn his lesson and learn to look at the bright spots of his situation in toronto in work harded. in others words, why make hedo happy when he screwed the raptors over. hge could had stayed with orland ( conteder) and wouldnt make as much money, so why give him that chance to be a contender and give him money when he was greedy and didnt derserve to be a contender seeing his circumstances and behaviour. I totally get your point, the guy really has screwed over the Raptors so far. But still, I think its more important to get the cap space than teaching the guy a lesson, no matter how deserving.

RaptorizedKevin
05-30-2010, 01:01 AM
I totally get your point, the guy really has screwed over the Raptors so far. But still, I think its more important to get the cap space than teaching the guy a lesson, no matter how deserving.

i rather keep him if bosh leaves, so his stats will go up, and then maybe a contending team whos pushing for a championship will offer up expirings for him LOL . yu never know. cleveland was gonna get maggette for expirings ( big z) s o yu never know :P.

Eagles4Lyfe
05-30-2010, 01:01 AM
I've lived in Toronto and worked in Portland and Seattle. There is NO WAY that anyone can say that Toronto is better than those two cities. Portland and Seattle are so many times better than tdot for quality of life and almost anything else it's just not funny. All things considered I don't see how the city itself could ever be regarded as a drawing card over great cities like those.

Not what ive heard Toronto is more heard of and has a better living and can support multiple sports teams, i have never heard of a team folding in toronto and moving somewhere else..Portland only has a basketball team and even with that one team they cant afford to go into luxury otherwise there in serious trouble, our market shows they can go into luxury territory in order to help our teams out..N toronto is a better regarded city than portland and seattle hands down, theres no questions about that

i believe raps fans were getting defensive about the city argument cuz the guy said blame canada in his posts. that has something to do with the thread going of off topic i guess.

Any forum i see bagging on toronto imma fight back because other people dont get in trouble or banned so why would i if im defending my city i love this city and know what its capable of its just plain stupid to see people from liek seattle portland and even cleveland try bagging on our city and team..

RaptorizedKevin
05-30-2010, 01:01 AM
lets pay him 21.5 milion as a buyout. the MLSE finds 21.5 out of their pockets to get turkoglu out of here. and now we she'ded 10 mil off the cap. sign rudy gay :D

Kakaroach
05-30-2010, 01:03 AM
lets pay him 21.5 milion as a buyout. the MLSE finds 21.5 out of their pockets to get turkoglu out of here. and now we she'ded 10 mil off the cap. sign rudy gay :D Like I said before, buy-outs still count against your cap space. Thats why I said it would be much better if you guys just traded him.

Eagles4Lyfe
05-30-2010, 01:03 AM
I had a great time going to University of Toronto and I know the city inside out. Born and raised in the Niagara Peninsula.



Theres your problem right there UFT?? LMAO you went to the worst possible school to enjoy your school life so of course your going to take away bad experiences..Im not trying to be rude but all this hate towards toronto did you get your heart broken by a toronto girl or something??:p no hate just curiousity

RaptorizedKevin
05-30-2010, 01:05 AM
Theres your problem right there UFT?? LMAO you went to the worst possible school to enjoy your school life so of course your going to take away bad experiences..Im not trying to be rude but all this hate towards toronto did you get your heart broken by a toronto girl or something??:p no hate just curiousity

is UFT that bad? =/ i was actually considering it. Hedo should leave toronto seeing his outburst. he'll probably join bosh.. lucky guy. gets his money and goes to a contender..

ink
05-30-2010, 01:12 AM
Theres your problem right there UFT?? LMAO you went to the worst possible school to enjoy your school life so of course your going to take away bad experiences..Im not trying to be rude but all this hate towards toronto did you get your heart broken by a toronto girl or something??:p no hate just curiousity

lol. U of T was phenomenal. You must be in high school if you don't know how good U of T is. I had a great time. There's no hate, just trying to show people how risky their behaviour is.

ink
05-30-2010, 01:14 AM
is UFT that bad? =/ i was actually considering it. Hedo should leave toronto seeing his outburst. he'll probably join bosh.. lucky guy. gets his money and goes to a contender..

btw, it's U of T. And it depends on your major. The University is rated among the top 3 (http://www.4icu.org/ca/) in Canada year after year after year. UofT, McGill, UBC ... consistently the best. :D I'm very proud of my alma mater. Right now I am working on a contract at SFU here in Vancouver. It's rated 5th. I would definitely recommend any of those top schools for your university career.

Eagles4Lyfe
05-30-2010, 01:31 AM
lol. U of T was phenomenal. You must be in high school if you don't know how good U of T is. I had a great time. There's no hate, just trying to show people how risky their behaviour is.

haha nice one nahh i go to ryerson, but everyone who goes to uft always says its boring and what not but education wise ya there top but when your young you want to live to so uft is not the best place to enjoy anything..It also depends on your major uft is more of a science school..Education wise first class party wise worst of the worst

ink
05-30-2010, 01:36 AM
haha nice one nahh i go to ryerson, but everyone who goes to uft always says its boring and what not but education wise ya there top but when your young you want to live to so uft is not the best place to enjoy anything..It also depends on your major uft is more of a science school..Education wise first class party wise worst of the worst

Why do you call it UFT? It's UofT. Univ. OF Toronto. And you must not know about the right parties. :p It's the centre of the city and you can access anything you want from there.

ink
05-30-2010, 01:51 AM
Like I said before, buy-outs still count against your cap space. Thats why I said it would be much better if you guys just traded him.

Looks like Hedo might have offered Colangelo a way to get out of a major jam. A lot of NBA people will probably remember the 2009 NBA finals Hedo and listen to the ORL fans who wish Hedo had stayed with the team this year. I think that might have more resonance than what Toronto fans have to say about him. If so, it works in the Raptors' favour and we might be able to swing a decent deal for him.

RaptorizedKevin
05-30-2010, 02:01 AM
Looks like Hedo might have offered Colangelo a way to get out of a major jam. A lot of NBA people will probably remember the 2009 NBA finals Hedo and listen to the ORL fans who wish Hedo had stayed with the team this year. I think that might have more resonance than what Toronto fans have to say about him. If so, it works in the Raptors' favour and we might be able to swing a decent deal for him.

a life time supply of timhortons icecaps would be a great deal. bc should look into it. on all the hot days, the raptors front office needs something to quench their thirst, Tim hortons can use hedo for advertising and still pay him, everyons happy. nah i kid. i think getting a bag contract + an expiring would work for hedo.
walton + vujajic. so then the raptors have 15 mil in expirings for '11. and if they keep getting expirings, they might be able to swing melo? :O who knows.

Gup
05-30-2010, 02:12 AM
If Hedo wants out then i think 99% of Raptor fans will be for it.

Bosh is obviously gone

Calderon is gone

Hedo is also obviously gone.

RaptorizedKevin
05-30-2010, 02:13 AM
not nessarily. ^

Gup
05-30-2010, 02:31 AM
not nessarily. ^

Do you honestly think Bosh will be back? seriously?

Come on man.... theres about a 1% chance of Bosh coming back

He's either in LA or New York next year.

clutchski
05-30-2010, 02:33 AM
I've heard UofT is great but it depends a bit on what campus you're on. Either way, you're a cab ride (at the most) to one of the best night life cities in Canada. Top professors are at UofT as well.