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JordansBulls
05-11-2010, 08:22 AM
(1) LA Lakers (57-25) vs. (3) Phoenix Suns (54-28)

Home court advantage: LA Lakers

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9999/lakerscopyf.jpg
Projected Starting Lineup:

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Derek Fisher (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=246) - Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=110) - Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=25) - Pau Gasol (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=996) - Andrew Bynum (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2748)



http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1310/sunscopy.jpg
Projected Starting Line Up:
http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/592.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1018.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/336.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1727.jpghttp://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/988.jpg
Steve Nash (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=592) - Jason Richardson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1018) - Grant Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=336) - Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727) - Jarron Collins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=988)



http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/matchup/_/teams/suns-lakers

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/playoffs/conferencefinals/pholal;_ylt=ApEHHMFIWntL4eodSIFvYge8vLYF

kArSoN RyDaH
05-11-2010, 08:27 AM
Lakers in 5 or 6. Kobe has been playing excellent lately. Rons defense has beeen great. Gasol has been playing excellent as well. and Fisher has been as clutch as it gets with big shots. this laker team is starting to play up to par with the expectations everyone has had for them all season and they are on a 6 game winning streak (6 with kobe scoring 30+ if i am correct).

stawka
05-11-2010, 08:35 AM
Lakers dominate in every position except PG and are even at PF. 5 or 6 games I think. That said, go Suns

AK-50
05-11-2010, 08:55 AM
go suns no more lakers in the finals!

LakersIn5
05-11-2010, 09:02 AM
the finals wont be the finals without the lakers...

Raidaz4Life
05-11-2010, 09:05 AM
Very good chance it will be Kobe vs Lebron this year.

MacFitz92
05-11-2010, 09:14 AM
Lakers in 5.

king4day
05-11-2010, 09:25 AM
If LA wins, it'll be in 6.
If PHX wins, it'll be in 6 or 7.

todu82
05-11-2010, 09:38 AM
Suns in 6

20R8ersfaN08
05-11-2010, 10:06 AM
Lakers in 5...

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:15 AM
If LA wins, it'll be in 6.
If PHX wins, it'll be in 6 or 7.

Yeah right, if there was to be a game 7 in LA, the Lakers would win by double digits. No way the suns win in 7, they need to win in 6. With that said, Lakers in 4 or 5.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 10:16 AM
lakers in 5. Like i said the Thunder was the lakers's toughest matchup, now everything is almost a gimmie until the finals. Suns are no exception despite them playing well so far.

Raidaz4Life
05-11-2010, 10:17 AM
lakers in 5. Like i said the Thunder was the lakers's toughest matchup, now everything is almost a gimmie until the finals. Suns are no exception despite them playing well so far.

Agreed

king4day
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
Yeah right, if there was to be a game 7 in LA, the Lakers would win by double digits. No way the suns win in 7, they need to win in 6. With that said, Lakers in 4 or 5.

If there was to be a game 7 in LA, I'd be pretty concerned as a Lakers fan because that means you are not the unstoppable force that took care of OKC and Utah.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:29 AM
If there was to be a game 7 in LA, I'd be pretty concerned as a Lakers fan because that means you are not the unstoppable force that took care of OKC and Utah.

I wouldn't be. Houston took us to 7 last year, we won at home by alot. Then won the title later on.

Voodoo Alchemy
05-11-2010, 10:36 AM
Lakers in 5 or 6. Kobe has been playing excellent lately. Rons defense has beeen great. Gasol has been playing excellent as well. and Fisher has been as clutch as it gets with big shots. this laker team is starting to play up to par with the expectations everyone has had for them all season and they are on a 6 game winning streak (6 with kobe scoring 30+ if i am correct).

so true, the suns really suck. they can't score, they can't defend, they can't rebound, they can't run, they can't play half court, they don't have a pick and roll game, they can't hit any 3's, their bench absolutely sucks, they lack mental toughness and gentry can't make any adjustments. the officiating was so bad against the spurs, david stern just handed the suns the series.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:39 AM
so true, the suns really suck. they can't score, they can't defend, they can't rebound, they can't run, they can't play half court, they don't have a pick and roll game, they can't hit any 3's, their bench absolutely sucks, they lack mental toughness and gentry can't make any adjustments. the officiating was so bad against the spurs, david stern just handed the suns the series.

This.

Voodoo Alchemy
05-11-2010, 10:40 AM
lakers in 5. Like i said the Thunder was the lakers's toughest matchup, now everything is almost a gimmie until the finals. Suns are no exception despite them playing well so far.

the suns were picked to finish 11th in the west. i hope you guys overlook us like you did the thunder.

Voodoo Alchemy
05-11-2010, 10:42 AM
This.

you really need to go back and get your G.E.D.

i was being facetious.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:45 AM
you really need to go back and get your G.E.D.

i was being facetious.

I know, you said it, so I thought I would take it and run.:)

Even if the Suns can do all that, they still don't do enough of it to beat the Lakers in a 7 game series.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:46 AM
the suns were picked to finish 11th in the west. i hope you guys overlook us like you did the thunder.

Why would the Lakers overlook the Suns, the 4 times they played, the Lakers won 3, maybe they overlooked them that 1 game.

Voodoo Alchemy
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
Why would the Lakers overlook the Suns, the 4 times they played, the Lakers won 3, maybe they overlooked them that 1 game.

listen to the lakers tone and rhetoric.

sidenote: tell kobe to leave that gay, white fashion show in the closet.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:59 AM
listen to the lakers tone and rhetoric.

sidenote: tell kobe to leave that gay, white fashion show in the closet.

Ok, tell the Suns to make Vacation plans for the end of May, because they won't be playing in June. Tell Amare he needs to rebound, or Gasol will avg 20 this series.

It was a good year for your team, but it is going to be over soon, deal with it now, instead of being upset later.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
05-11-2010, 11:14 AM
I wanna say LA in 4 cuz this is just a horrible mismatched series. but I'll give PHX a game on their floor.

pebloemer
05-11-2010, 11:23 AM
All the **** talking has started already...

Hard not to admire everything the Suns have accomplished since January. they are playing incredible basketball.

On paper, they simply don't match up. Lakers are the more versatile, talented team and I expect them to be hungry enough to take it.

Lakers in 7.

king4day
05-11-2010, 11:23 AM
Ok, tell the Suns to make Vacation plans for the end of May, because they won't be playing in June. Tell Amare he needs to rebound, or Gasol will avg 20 this series.

It was a good year for your team, but it is going to be over soon, deal with it now, instead of being upset later.

These are the reasons everyone hates LA fans.
The lack of respect from your fanbase is pretty surreal.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 11:29 AM
These are the reasons everyone hates LA fans.
The lack of respect from your fanbase is pretty surreal.

Ok so this was classy:
tell kobe to leave that gay, white fashion show in the closet.

All the Suns have to do is win the series and they will get respect, but they don't match up well.

Iron24th
05-11-2010, 11:30 AM
Yeah right, if there was to be a game 7 in LA, the Lakers would win by double digits. No way the suns win in 7, they need to win in 6. With that said, Lakers in 4 or 5.

Agree,it seems this guys has not watched all our home games when the series is even,always 20+ or 30+ pts wins.

Lakers in 6.

Iron24th
05-11-2010, 11:34 AM
These are the reasons everyone hates LA fans.
The lack of respect from your fanbase is pretty surreal.

How can you talk about lack of respect from fanbase when all suns fans scream everywhere in this forum that they'll beat the Lakers easily,and they're a lock for the Finals after just beating a depleted blazers team and a washed up spurs team.

We're the Champs and we deserve respect,I've ever respected the Champs before we take the crown.

xbrackattackx
05-11-2010, 11:37 AM
These are the reasons everyone hates LA fans.
The lack of respect from your fanbase is pretty surreal.

Yea because of the 20, 12 year old laker fans on here that post dumb stuff you don't have to lump all laker fans in that narrow foolish category. My two favorite teams are Lakers and Suns and have been for years. But because fans are confident in their team you can't say they are being disrespectful. I'm sure you want your team to win and think they will also.

king4day
05-11-2010, 11:43 AM
Ok so this was classy:

All the Suns have to do is win the series and they will get respect, but they don't match up well.

Obviously it wasn't, but when you have 20 some odd LA fans talking about the finals and how the Suns will be specs in the way, calling us arrogant, you can expect negative feedback from us.

We could sweep LA and that wouldn't be enough to garner respect from most LA fans here.

king4day
05-11-2010, 11:45 AM
How can you talk about lack of respect from fanbase when all suns fans scream everywhere in this forum that they'll beat the Lakers easily,and they're a lock for the Finals after just beating a depleted blazers team and a washed up spurs team.

We're the Champs and we deserve respect,I've ever respected the Champs before we take the crown.

Let's see those posts. I must have missed them.

king4day
05-11-2010, 11:47 AM
Yea because of the 20, 12 year old laker fans on here that post dumb stuff you don't have to lump all laker fans in that narrow foolish category. My two favorite teams are Lakers and Suns and have been for years. But because fans are confident in their team you can't say they are being disrespectful. I'm sure you want your team to win and think they will also.

I've tried stating 'most of LA fans' when i'm talking about the lack of class. I didn't there but should have.
In years past it wasn't terrible, but it never fails. New Laker fans will show up, make the classy LA fans look bad, and then bolt when they lose or the season ends, leaving the good ones to clean up the mess.

kimchi'sworld
05-11-2010, 11:51 AM
Lakers dominate in every position except PG and are even at PF. 5 or 6 games I think. That said, go Suns


I think they're more even then it looks

Nash>Fisher
JRich<Kobe
Hill=Artest
Stat=Gasol
Lopez or Dudley<Bynum

The Suns bench is better they have more length then the other teams the Lakers faced.

Lakers coaching and experience is better which gives them the advantage.

xbrackattackx
05-11-2010, 11:53 AM
I've tried stating 'most of LA fans' when i'm talking about the lack of class. I didn't there but should have.
In years past it wasn't terrible, but it never fails. New Laker fans will show up, make the classy LA fans look bad, and then bolt when they lose or the season ends, leaving the good ones to clean up the mess.

I feel you, I never had any problem and Like most of your post and agree with them. Good Luck In the WCF!

Iron24th
05-11-2010, 12:27 PM
Let's see those posts. I must have missed them.

Man,I'm not going to travel all around PSD to find all those posts,but I guarantee you there is a ton of suns fans who talk **** about our team,and their chances,but it's OK, I understand every fanbase has his dumb fans.

So you should understand the same thing before talking about all Lakers fans.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 12:43 PM
I think they're more even then it looks

Nash>Fisher
JRich<Kobe
Hill=Artest
Stat=Gasol
Lopez or Dudley<Bynum

The Suns bench is better they have more length then the other teams the Lakers faced.

Lakers coaching and experience is better which gives them the advantage.

:facepalm: and :laugh: in bold.

also the jazz despite beating them in 4, has a better bench then the suns does.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 12:48 PM
:facepalm: and :laugh: in bold.

also the jazz despite beating them in 4, has a better bench then the suns does.

No they don't.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 12:50 PM
No they don't.

you don't think paul milsap, ak47, etc. Is better then dudley and dragic?

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 12:57 PM
you don't think paul milsap, ak47, etc. Is better then dudley and dragic?

Dudly
Dragic
Barbosa
Frye
Amundson

is better than

Price
Korvor
Ak47 (for 2 games played)
Milsap
Kofus

The Suns bench will hurt the Lakers more than Utah because the Suns have better guard play off the bench than Utah did.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 01:03 PM
Dudly
Dragic
Barbosa
Frye
Amundson

is better than

Price
Korvor
Ak47 (for 2 games played)
Milsap
Kofus

The Suns bench will hurt the Lakers more than Utah because the Suns have better guard play off the bench than Utah did.

i forgot about barbosa but i thought frye starts no?

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 01:04 PM
i forgot about barbosa but i thought frye starts no?

They start Collins or Lopez at C.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 01:08 PM
They start Collins or Lopez at C.

oh. Weird. Well when you put it that way yeah the suns bench is better :D. Either way, i don't see much trouble with it unless the lakers bench REALLY **** it up.

JPHX
05-11-2010, 01:10 PM
All the **** talking has started already...

Hard not to admire everything the Suns have accomplished since January. they are playing incredible basketball.

On paper, they simply don't match up. Lakers are the more versatile, talented team and I expect them to be hungry enough to take it.

Lakers in 7.

speaking strictly about bigs, the suns have been outmatched since the first round. yet they still were able to advance.

streetballa
05-11-2010, 01:12 PM
Story of the series is Bynum and Gasol vs. Amare and Collins...

Lakers in 5, to much size down low.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 01:12 PM
speaking strictly about bigs, the suns have been outmatched since the first round. yet they still were able to advance.

except if your outmatched against the lakers, it's a whole different ball game ;).

Avenged
05-11-2010, 01:13 PM
I got the Lakers winning this one. We've matched up with the Suns pretty well and have had their number in recent seasons. It won't be a cake walk for sure but the Lakers would much prefer to play the Suns than the Nuggets, Spurs, and Mavs, whom were supposedly the ones to dethrone the Lakers.

And all these > = < comparisons are ridiculous. In every game someone has to compare all the starters + bench and they end up having the greater players if not equal. And what ends up happening? The Lakers still win. :)

J-Relo
05-11-2010, 01:46 PM
you don't think paul milsap, ak47, etc. Is better then dudley and dragic?

Paul Milsap played huge minutes, Ak47 didn't play much... - that's not a bench...

Voodoo Alchemy
05-11-2010, 01:54 PM
I got the Lakers winning this one. We've matched up with the Suns pretty well and have had their number in recent seasons. It won't be a cake walk for sure but the Lakers would much prefer to play the Suns than the Nuggets, Spurs, and Mavs, whom were supposedly the ones to dethrone the Lakers.

And all these > = < comparisons are ridiculous. In every game someone has to compare all the starters + bench and they end up having the greater players if not equal. And what ends up happening? The Lakers still win. :)

you honestly thought those teams were going to dethrone the lakers? the only team i felt had a chance against the lakers was portland when they were completely healthy, maybe houston before yao went down.

sunnydayin'zona
05-11-2010, 01:56 PM
Story of the series is Bynum and Gasol vs. Amare and Collins...

Lakers in 5, to much size down low.

collins doesnt play more than 10 minutes a game. and lopez wont miss more than game one. it'll be bynum and gasol vs amare and fropez

MVMarauder
05-11-2010, 02:12 PM
Lakers in 5

blams
05-11-2010, 02:13 PM
Lakers are going to sweep IMO.

Avenged
05-11-2010, 02:21 PM
you honestly thought those teams were going to dethrone the lakers? the only team i felt had a chance against the lakers was portland when they were completely healthy, maybe houston before yao went down.

The Nuggets gave the Lakers a hard time all season long. You can never count out the Spurs especially when Manu is playing well. And the Mavs are just so deep and match-up well with the Lakers.

Houston and Portland could've have probably because of match-up problems. All I'm saying is, the Suns weren't even in the conversation to dethrone the Lakers. Add to the fact that L.A has had their number in recent seasons. Should be a good one though.

AI4MVP
05-11-2010, 02:21 PM
Paul Milsap played huge minutes, Ak47 didn't play much... - that's not a bench...


no no no no no. there is NO argument. i dont care what names anyone have on there bench. there is NO bench that is better then the phoenix suns.

Mavrix
05-11-2010, 02:25 PM
My gut says Lakers in 5...but I'm hoping it's Suns in 6.

Voodoo Alchemy
05-11-2010, 02:30 PM
The Nuggets gave the Lakers a hard time all season long. You can never count out the Spurs especially when Manu is playing well. And the Mavs are just so deep and match-up well with the Lakers.

Houston and Portland could've have probably because of match-up problems. All I'm saying is, the Suns weren't even in the conversation to dethrone the Lakers. Add to the fact that L.A has had their number in recent seasons. Should be a good one though.

so did the spurs, what's your point? base everything in the past to determine the future? if that's the case, the lakers will win every championship from this point forward and teams shouldn't even try to compete.

Avenged
05-11-2010, 02:55 PM
so did the spurs, what's your point? base everything in the past to determine the future? if that's the case, the lakers will win every championship from this point forward and teams shouldn't even try to compete.

It's not basing when it's a fact. Lets not compare the Spurs to the Lakers now. Playoffs are really all about match-ups. I'd jump on the Suns bandwagon too since no one expected them to get this far but since they're going against my team, I won't. We'll see when the series concludes who comes out on top, that's all I'm saying for now.

LALakersKC
05-11-2010, 03:02 PM
LA in 5 or 6. Phoenix will give us a scare tho. When you got a guy like Nash or Amare, there's no such thing as a cakewalk.

gcoll
05-11-2010, 03:08 PM
About the season series. Just as a side note, 2/4 were on a back to back. We suck on those.

And 2/4 we were missing either Frye or Lopez.

And the Lakers, I think, were missing Artest in the game we won.

And 4 games is a small sample size, especially since most of them took place before the Suns got it going.

So I don't put any weight onto the season series.


If Jarron Collins is our starting center, Lakers in 4. The only time the Spurs looked good against us, was when Jarron Collins was on the floor. Hence their fast early starts. If Robin Lopez supplants Collins' minutes, Suns in 3. That's right 3!

ManRam
05-11-2010, 03:10 PM
My brain/gut says Lakers in 5 or 6.
My heart says Phoenix in 6.

My heart sucks.

king4day
05-11-2010, 03:19 PM
no no no no no. there is NO argument. i dont care what names anyone have on there bench. there is NO bench that is better then the phoenix suns.

The Magic have a better bench. They go 12 deep.
Our bench might be the best in the West, but you can't discredit what Orlando's bench have done for them all year long. When Nelson and Pietris went down, they didn't miss a beat.

Aiwokote
05-11-2010, 03:19 PM
Here's what astounds me. Many people, not just on this site, keep saying that the Lakers are underestimating the Suns and looking ahead to the finals already.

Let's get something straight here, it's the fans (some of them anyway) that's underestimating the other team. Both sides are doing this.

The Lakers are not underestimating this team. Or did people forget that half of the current Lakers team was around when the Suns eliminated them out of the playoffs these past few years?

Mile High Champ
05-11-2010, 03:23 PM
If this was the Suns teams of old, I would of said the lakers in 5 or 6. Not the case anymore. This Suns team is playing defense for the first time in a long time. Yes they are not great but they are good at what they do. Amare is playing the best basektball of his career, Nash; like a fine wine is only getting better with age. Grant Hill has been exceeding all expectations in these playoffs, he has been a truly physical SF, a scoring threat and a great rebounder. I have also been impressed with the play of Jason Richardson who seems to have rediscovered his scoring touch in the playoffs.

I just like the way the Suns are playing right now with Nash at the helm. The team seems poised and ready for anything. I am not confident that Kobe will be at 100% the entire series, he has been much to inconsistent for my liking. The Lakers fate rests with Gasol who will be the reason why the Lakers beat the Suns in this series. However, I do believe the Suns will knock off the lakers in 6. Call me crazy but I think it can be done and will be done. Amare justs seems unstopable right now and I will love watching Nash abuse Fisher each and every game.

Go Suns!

Mile High Champ
05-11-2010, 03:25 PM
Very good chance it will be Kobe vs Lebron this year.

No way, Suns and Magic Finals.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 03:25 PM
The suns leading scorer in the playoffs J Rich averaged 8ppg on 30% shooting and 14% on 3s in 4 games against the Lakers this year.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 03:28 PM
If this was the Suns teams of old, I would of said the lakers in 5 or 6. Not the case anymore. This Suns team is playing defense for the first time in a long time. Yes they are not great but they are good at what they do. Amare is playing the best basektball of his career, Nash; like a fine wine is only getting better with age. Grant Hill has been exceeding all expectations in these playoffs, he has been a truly physical SF, a scoring threat and a great rebounder. I have also been impressed with the play of Jason Richardson who seems to have rediscovered his scoring touch in the playoffs.

I just like the way the Suns are playing right now with Nash at the helm. The team seems poised and ready for anything. I am not confident that Kobe will be at 100% the entire series, he has been much to inconsistent for my liking. The Lakers fate rests with Gasol who will be the reason why the Lakers beat the Suns in this series. However, I do believe the Suns will knock off the lakers in 6. Call me crazy but I think it can be done and will be done. Amare justs seems unstopable right now and I will love watching Nash abuse Fisher each and every game.

Go Suns!

He is averaging 20.5ppg and 7rpg in the playoffs right now shooting 51%. In the Spurs series, he shot 47.5%. Those are ok numbers, but nothing great for a PF.

king4day
05-11-2010, 03:29 PM
Here's what astounds me. Many people, not just on this site, keep saying that the Lakers are underestimating the Suns and looking ahead to the finals already.

Let's get something straight here, it's the fans (some of them anyway) that's underestimating the other team. Both sides are doing this.

The Lakers are not underestimating this team. Or did people forget that half of the current Lakers team was around when the Suns eliminated them out of the playoffs these past few years?

Only Nash, Amar'e and Barbosa remain from those teams.

As a Yankee fan, after we won the world series last year, I didn't care at all about 2004 anymore. Still wish it didn't happen, but a ring takes away those pains.
If Kobe and Odom wanna get revenge, then go get Kwame and Smush back.

It's like a kid getting picked on for months and then he hires two goons and stands behind them and says, "ok time for some payback". If that's how they will define revenge then so be it.
Teams are completely different now.

More-Than-Most
05-11-2010, 03:30 PM
Suns in 6... The bench in this series will be the factor... The suns starters will be much fresher as the series progresses because of the minutes their reserves get and the high energy they bring into the game while being in there. The Lakers are much stronger up front but the suns are more balanced. The Lakers are the better team and will be favored but the longer this series goes the better it is for the suns.

More-Than-Most
05-11-2010, 03:32 PM
I wouldn't be. Houston took us to 7 last year, we won at home by alot. Then won the title later on.

Houston of last year does not compare to this years suns.

domz248
05-11-2010, 03:32 PM
kobe is on a mission to get to 7 rings ...

jakub
05-11-2010, 03:37 PM
Suns in 6...

ManRam
05-11-2010, 03:41 PM
Here's what astounds me. Many people, not just on this site, keep saying that the Lakers are underestimating the Suns and looking ahead to the finals already.

Let's get something straight here, it's the fans (some of them anyway) that's underestimating the other team. Both sides are doing this.

The Lakers are not underestimating this team. Or did people forget that half of the current Lakers team was around when the Suns eliminated them out of the playoffs these past few years?

Preach it!

No team underestimates anyone in the playoffs, especially not the conference finals. The media and fans are completely unrelated. The Lakers will be ready to go, and be ready for a battle...even if the media and fans aren't.

Bruno
05-11-2010, 03:55 PM
Lakers in 6.

LakeShowRaider
05-11-2010, 03:56 PM
Suns are finished before the series even begins. Lakers in 5, no question.

Time to get revenge for how cocky the Suns were back in 06 and 07. Nash along with the owner Sarver swore you guys were something special. Yea you got past the Spurs FINALLY, but now you got even a worse hand in the Lakers. Ohhhhh I feel the hate coming back for the Suns. Can't wait til you guys are tossed!

gcoll
05-11-2010, 03:59 PM
Let's get something straight here, it's the fans (some of them anyway) that's underestimating the other team. Both sides are doing this.
Uhhh....yeah. Everyone is talking about the fans.

Not sure how the Suns fans are underestimating the Lakers though.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 04:03 PM
Uhhh....yeah. Everyone is talking about the fans.

Not sure how the Suns fans are underestimating the Lakers though.

Maybe because the Lakers are the better team.

Fireworld
05-11-2010, 04:03 PM
I like the Lakers in 6. Amare is great, but he relies on Nash. Nash is great, but he's not enough to overcome Bryant, Gasol, Bynum and Odom.

gcoll
05-11-2010, 04:05 PM
Maybe because the Lakers are the better team.
lol. So unless we acknowledge that we have no chance in the series, we're underrating the Lakers?

Yeah. They are way better. They finished 3 games ahead of us in the regular season. Staggering.

Bashna
05-11-2010, 04:15 PM
hahah laker fans are so funny.

JPHX
05-11-2010, 04:15 PM
Maybe because the Lakers are the better team.

that also includes the bench right?

0nekhmer
05-11-2010, 04:16 PM
i think it will go down to game 7. PHX, like the thunders are a run and gun team who thrive on fast breaks. Lakers arent known to defend that well

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 04:17 PM
If Lakers win Game 1, they automatically win the series and move on to the NBA Finals for the 3rd consecutive season.

/thread :)

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 04:21 PM
that also includes the bench right?

Team usually includes guys 1-12, so yes. Lakers had more wins as a team (the bench guys played), they also beat the Suns 3 out of 4 games (the bench guys also played those games).

Rome
05-11-2010, 04:24 PM
That was the regular season. Suns in 6 or 7. Should be a better series than what we've seen.

gcoll
05-11-2010, 04:25 PM
Lakers had more wins as a team
3. The Lakers won 3 more games than the Suns.

Since the all-star break, the Suns had the best record in the West.


they also beat the Suns 3 out of 4 games
2/4 of those games were back to backs for the Suns. We sucked in those.

The first meeting we had no Lopez. The last meeting we had no Frye. Or barbosa for that matter.

3/4 of those took place prior to the Suns getting hot (second half of the season)

And on top of that. 4 games = small sample size.

JPHX
05-11-2010, 04:25 PM
Team usually includes guys 1-12, so yes. Lakers had more wins as a team (the bench guys played), they also beat the Suns 3 out of 4 games (the bench guys also played those games).

So when the starters come out and the bench come in during Game 1 we are gonna see the same outcome?

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 04:30 PM
So when the starters come out and the bench come in during Game 1 we are gonna see the same outcome?

Lakers will probably win game 1 by 10 plus points.

Rome
05-11-2010, 04:30 PM
So when the starters come out and the bench come in during Game 1 we are gonna see the same outcome?

No :cool:

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 04:31 PM
3. The Lakers won 3 more games than the Suns.

Since the all-star break, the Suns had the best record in the West.


2/4 of those games were back to backs for the Suns. We sucked in those.

The first meeting we had no Lopez. The last meeting we had no Frye. Or barbosa for that matter.

3/4 of those took place prior to the Suns getting hot (second half of the season)

And on top of that. 4 games = small sample size.

When the Lakers win in 4 or 5 games, will that also be a small sample size, or will that be enough?

Jonathan2323
05-11-2010, 04:32 PM
Lakers in 7

JPHX
05-11-2010, 04:32 PM
Lakers will probably win game 1 by 10 plus points.

Because when the LA bench comes in they can hold their own right?

gcoll
05-11-2010, 04:34 PM
When the Lakers win in 4 or 5 games, will that also be a small sample size, or will that be enough?
Well. That would mean the series is over.

If the Lakers win the series in 5, I'll tip my cap that they are the better team. But I think the Suns have a legit shot. What is so wrong with that?

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 04:35 PM
Because when the LA bench comes in they can hold their own right?

Only guy off the bench that plays a lot id Odom in the playoffs. If Farmar or Brown mess up, they are pulled pretty quick. Like I said, the Lakers have a better Team that includes the Suns starters against the Lakers starters. The Suns use the bench more than the Lakers do, but it's not going to win them the series.

JPHX
05-11-2010, 04:38 PM
Only guy off the bench that plays a lot id Odom in the playoffs. If Farmar or Brown mess up, they are pulled pretty quick. Like I said, the Lakers have a better Team that includes the Suns starters against the Lakers starters. The Suns use the bench more than the Lakers do, but it's not going to win them the series.

Agreed. And Lakers have the credentials to back it up. but i think your underestimating the bench factor.

G-Funk
05-11-2010, 04:40 PM
Only Nash, Amar'e and Barbosa remain from those teams.

As a Yankee fan, after we won the world series last year, I didn't care at all about 2004 anymore. Still wish it didn't happen, but a ring takes away those pains.
If Kobe and Odom wanna get revenge, then go get Kwame and Smush back.

It's like a kid getting picked on for months and then he hires two goons and stands behind them and says, "ok time for some payback". If that's how they will define revenge then so be it.
Teams are completely different now.

No,No, No! It's still payback. I don't care how you wanna turn it around Nash,Amare,Barbosa,The Fans and just the Name (Suns) is enought to wanna stick it back to them.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 04:40 PM
Well. That would mean the series is over.

If the Lakers win the series in 5, I'll tip my cap that they are the better team. But I think the Suns have a legit shot. What is so wrong with that?

Nothing, just having some fun because there is a week before a game, and I thought I would get the fans riled up by the time Monday rolls around. The truth is, I can see the Suns putting up a good fight because we have no answer for Nash as of yet. I also think Barbosa can give us some trouble, I know he has been kinda quiet in the playoffs, but he usually plays well against the Lakers.

gcoll
05-11-2010, 04:40 PM
The Suns use the bench more than the Lakers do, but it's not going to win them the series.
Ya never know. Suns got a lot of firepower on that bench.


Nothing, just having some fun because there is a week before a game, and I thought I would get the fans riled up by the time Monday rolls around.
So you admit that your only purpose is to bait.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 04:44 PM
Ya never know. Suns got a lot of firepower on that bench.


So you admit that your only purpose is to bait.

If you call using facts based on stats and numbers baiting.

theimortalone
05-11-2010, 04:45 PM
Suns in 6! :cool:

sunnydayin'zona
05-11-2010, 05:00 PM
If this was the Suns teams of old, I would of said the lakers in 5 or 6. Not the case anymore. This Suns team is playing defense for the first time in a long time. Yes they are not great but they are good at what they do. Amare is playing the best basektball of his career, Nash; like a fine wine is only getting better with age. Grant Hill has been exceeding all expectations in these playoffs, he has been a truly physical SF, a scoring threat and a great rebounder. I have also been impressed with the play of Jason Richardson who seems to have rediscovered his scoring touch in the playoffs.

I just like the way the Suns are playing right now with Nash at the helm. The team seems poised and ready for anything. I am not confident that Kobe will be at 100% the entire series, he has been much to inconsistent for my liking. The Lakers fate rests with Gasol who will be the reason why the Lakers beat the Suns in this series. However, I do believe the Suns will knock off the lakers in 6. Call me crazy but I think it can be done and will be done. Amare justs seems unstopable right now and I will love watching Nash abuse Fisher each and every game.

Go Suns!
This

Pluvious
05-11-2010, 05:01 PM
The Lakers have the advantage simply because Kobe/Fisher/Gasol have a greater fire overall than Nash/Richardson/Amare. And trust that those ARE going to be the six players that matter most in this series...when things get close.

Its close though. Real close. Nash has tons of will, and Richardson seems possessed these playoffs. And Amare has an anger and desire that is impressive as well. But the Lakers (players mentioned above) just seem to have that "hate" (to lose) almost like their fans. Almost in a sociopathic kind of way. Like society has done them wrong. :)

You can talk about size and post-ups with the Lakers. Suns will have trouble and need to double team and zone up. You can talk about Kobe. Suns will not stop him.

But watching Utah play the Lakers you can easily see how to attack the Lakers are what Utah did wrong. Lack of spacing and consistent shooting by Utah is not a problem for the Suns. Any hedging off of the shooters will not work with Phoenix. The Suns need zero room to shoot right now. 41% 3 point shooting. Also, the pick and roll, guard penetration, and general transition favors the Suns and allows them to get comfortable shots. All things the Lakers will struggle with.


It will come down to who has the will and fire when things are not going well. Lakers have a slight advantage. That being said...series could go either way.

still1ballin
05-11-2010, 05:01 PM
la in 5

Lancelot
05-11-2010, 05:12 PM
If you call using facts based on stats and numbers baiting.

he was referring to you admitting that you were "getting the fans riled up". that's admitting to baiting.

theimortalone
05-11-2010, 05:13 PM
If this was the Suns teams of old, I would of said the lakers in 5 or 6. Not the case anymore. This Suns team is playing defense for the first time in a long time. Yes they are not great but they are good at what they do. Amare is playing the best basektball of his career, Nash; like a fine wine is only getting better with age. Grant Hill has been exceeding all expectations in these playoffs, he has been a truly physical SF, a scoring threat and a great rebounder. I have also been impressed with the play of Jason Richardson who seems to have rediscovered his scoring touch in the playoffs.

I just like the way the Suns are playing right now with Nash at the helm. The team seems poised and ready for anything. I am not confident that Kobe will be at 100% the entire series, he has been much to inconsistent for my liking. The Lakers fate rests with Gasol who will be the reason why the Lakers beat the Suns in this series. However, I do believe the Suns will knock off the lakers in 6. Call me crazy but I think it can be done and will be done. Amare justs seems unstopable right now and I will love watching Nash abuse Fisher each and every game.

Go Suns!

I like what you said! You make very valid points! Laker fans better not underestimate the Suns.

Kakaroach
05-11-2010, 05:15 PM
The Jazz owned the Lakers bench. Imagine what the Suns bench will do to them.

Even so, I got the Lakers in 7.

alencp3
05-11-2010, 05:25 PM
LA in 7

Jays Claw
05-11-2010, 05:33 PM
I'm picking the Suns to win this in six. :cool:

leftymo
05-11-2010, 05:39 PM
Lakers in 5. I'd be shocked if it went 6.

So much ammo in one team's favor... its not even close!


Home court? -- Lakers
Head Coach? -- Lakers
Best player? -- Lakers (kobe)
Experience? -- Lakers (2 time defending western conf champs)
Head to Head -- Lakers (3-1)
Trends -- Lakers (9-3 over three years)

In these playoffs:

Scoring -- Suns
Pts Allowed -- Suns

Most important categories for defense...

Rebounding -- Lakers
Opp FG% -- Lakers
Opp 3pt% -- Lakers
Blocked Shots -- Lakers

This is such a lopsided matchup. And there's a team motivated by revenge of 06 & 07...

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 05:39 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/matchup/_/teams/suns-lakers

Henry Abbot: Lakers in 6

J.A. Adande: Lakers in 6

Chris Broussard: Lakers in 7

Chad Ford: Lakers in 7

John Hollinger: Suns in 6

Tim Legler: Lakers in 7

Jalen Rose: Lakers in 7

Chris Sheridan: Suns in 7

Marc Stein: Suns in 6

David Thorpe: Lakers in 7

MikefromMars
05-11-2010, 05:41 PM
7 of 10 picked Mavs over Spurs too... Just saying.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 05:41 PM
Lakers in 5. I'd be shocked if it went 6.

So much ammo in one team's favor... its not even close!


Home court? -- Lakers
Head Coach? -- Lakers
Best player? -- Lakers (kobe)
Experience? -- Lakers (2 time defending western conf champs)
Head to Head -- Lakers (3-1)
Trends -- Lakers (9-3 over three years)

In these playoffs:

Scoring -- Suns
Pts Allowed -- Suns

Most important categories for defense...

Rebounding -- Lakers
Opp FG% -- Lakers
Opp 3pt% -- Lakers
Blocked Shots -- Lakers

This is such a lopsided matchup. And there's a team motivated by revenge of 06 & 07...

This..

abe_froman
05-11-2010, 05:42 PM
just 7????

streetballa
05-11-2010, 05:43 PM
ESPN analysis are over rated so who cares

still1ballin
05-11-2010, 05:50 PM
Our opinions our better

marlinsfan24
05-11-2010, 05:53 PM
Lakers got this series.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
05-11-2010, 05:54 PM
Psd>espn

mdlr52192
05-11-2010, 06:05 PM
Why is this relevant???

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 06:07 PM
if we go on this.. i like our odds.. lol

6 of the so-called experts said it will go 7 games.. LAL, of course, an advantage not only with size but HCA as well on game 7. IMO HCA does not matter anymore in a game 7, on a winner-take-all game 7, HCA is an advantage but not a difference maker anymore.. All bets are off! at this stage anything can happen.. one good run by the suns could be the difference so if it will go to game 7, i lke our chances - tall order i know but like i said in game 7.. anything can go wrong for both teams

D Roses Bulls
05-11-2010, 06:09 PM
Psd>espn

thats not really saying much man

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 06:14 PM
Lakers in 5. I'd be shocked if it went 6.

So much ammo in one team's favor... its not even close!


Home court? -- Lakers
Head Coach? -- Lakers
Best player? -- Lakers (kobe)
Experience? -- Lakers (2 time defending western conf champs)
Head to Head -- Lakers (3-1)
Trends -- Lakers (9-3 over three years)

In these playoffs:

Scoring -- Suns
Pts Allowed -- Suns

Most important categories for defense...

Rebounding -- Lakers
Opp FG% -- Lakers
Opp 3pt% -- Lakers
Blocked Shots -- Lakers

This is such a lopsided matchup. And there's a team motivated by revenge of 06 & 07...

well the suns proved that those 4 does not matter anymore... going by the spurs series i mean.. i know its different but the fact is suns were able to conquer them and like many laker fans were saying, the spurs were the real stumbling block for LA so it can be siginficant

its a tall order for the suns but i disagree with you that its gonna be lopsided

ldc62
05-11-2010, 06:17 PM
Not surprised. IMO Jazz are a better team that the Spurs.

td0tsfinest
05-11-2010, 06:17 PM
Psd>espn

PSD did have the raptors in the conference finals. Just saying ;)

RaiderLakersA's
05-11-2010, 06:19 PM
ESPN analysis are over rated so who cares

Agreed.

sep11ie
05-11-2010, 06:20 PM
I'll take Anal ysts for $80,000 Trebeck!

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 06:22 PM
Understandable. Lakers are the outright favourites in this series.

kylem4711
05-11-2010, 06:24 PM
710 espn is the lakers station. besides, everyone already assumes the lakers will

G-Funk
05-11-2010, 06:25 PM
John Hollinger: Suns in 6

Chris Sheridan: Suns in 7

Marc Stein: Suns in 6

Why am I not surprised?????

ManRam
05-11-2010, 06:26 PM
Our opinions our better


Psd>espn

So you like 25 people picking Phoenix and 38 picking LA.

So you like our 60/40 ratio better than their 70/30? ;)

MJ-BULLS
05-11-2010, 06:27 PM
Psd>espn

I actually agree on this.

TEXASTITAN
05-11-2010, 06:32 PM
If there was to be a game 7 in LA, I'd be pretty concerned as a Lakers fan because that means you are not the unstoppable force that took care of OKC and Utah.





Look at the series they had with houston from a year ago. I wouldn't be surprised if phoenix won this series. I mean the rox pushed them to 7 games with nothing more than heart and bench players. Im sure phoenix can run them off the court in 7 games. Watch out for fisher though remember the dirty hit on scola from a year ago? Yeah fisher can't run like he used to so he resorts to dirty play. He'll get his mabye in this series.

cmellofan15
05-11-2010, 06:40 PM
who cares who they picked on July 10th?

barreleffact
05-11-2010, 06:45 PM
LA could sweep phx IMO n i would not b surprised at all. 6 games tops

jakub
05-11-2010, 06:45 PM
Look at the series they had with houston from a year ago. I wouldn't be surprised if phoenix won this series. I mean the rox pushed them to 7 games with nothing more than heart and bench players. Im sure phoenix can run them off the court in 7 games. Watch out for fisher though remember the dirty hit on scola from a year ago? Yeah fisher can't run like he used to so he resorts to dirty play. He'll get his mabye in this series.

Agree

AI4MVP
05-11-2010, 06:47 PM
all but two espn analysts said said the spurs were gunna beat the suns this year too. just keep doubting us..

STAT1
05-11-2010, 07:03 PM
I think the whole world except for Phoenix is picking the lakers.

Beltrans Mole
05-11-2010, 07:05 PM
i dont really think its that big of a deal. the lakers are the #1 seed and just swept the jazz....doesn't 7/10 make sense? thats what i would have guessed to be honest.

dudeonthemoon
05-11-2010, 07:10 PM
Psd>espn

:clap:

lakerssssssss
05-11-2010, 07:18 PM
lakers should sweep

drama1386
05-11-2010, 07:25 PM
i'm taking the suns in 6. i would love to see a magic vs. suns finals! think of how entertaining that would be...

AI4MVP
05-11-2010, 07:29 PM
i'm taking the suns in 6. i would love to see a magic vs. suns finals! think of how entertaining that would be...

i love your sig bro! i saw that on his twitter

The Final Boss
05-11-2010, 07:35 PM
No surprises here... 7 out of 10 Americans are Laker haters.

Raph12
05-11-2010, 07:37 PM
I just see the Suns playing with the Lakers bigs... Lakers in 6.

Jack Daniels
05-11-2010, 07:55 PM
I'll take Anal ysts for $80,000 Trebeck!

And the Final Jeopardy category today is Famous Mothers...

Hah, Hah, Hah My day has finally come Trebeck!

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 07:58 PM
i dont really think its that big of a deal. the lakers are the #1 seed and just swept the jazz....doesn't 7/10 make sense? thats what i would have guessed to be honest.

C'mon man, we're not just a #1 seed. We've been a #1 seed for 3 straight yrs now. Not every #1 seed is actually a championship contending team. But we are, and we're the defending champions.

I just wanted to correct you on that. And plus, #1 seed in the West don't mean jack **** (especially this yr), we had to go through a very unconventional #8 seed 50-win team like OKC. The West ain't the weak piss poor Eastern Conference.

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 08:02 PM
Now, I think this series does go full distance, but I wouldn't be shocked if LA swept Phoenix either. It depends how pissed off those guys from 06 and 07 defeats are like Kobe, LO, Bynum, Sasha, Luke, and Farmar (07), and how they can relay that pissed off attitude to the rest of the team in Pau, Fish, Artest, Brown, Powell and Mbenga. For this series, we will need every guy to step it up.....except Morrison, cuz he ain't gonna get any PT, lol.

Pluvious
05-11-2010, 08:05 PM
Lakers in 5. I'd be shocked if it went 6.

So much ammo in one team's favor... its not even close!


Home court? -- Lakers
Head Coach? -- Lakers
Best player? -- Lakers (kobe)
Experience? -- Lakers (2 time defending western conf champs)
Head to Head -- Lakers (3-1)
Trends -- Lakers (9-3 over three years)

In these playoffs:

Scoring -- Suns
Pts Allowed -- Suns

Most important categories for defense...

Rebounding -- Lakers
Opp FG% -- Lakers
Opp 3pt% -- Lakers
Blocked Shots -- Lakers

This is such a lopsided matchup. And there's a team motivated by revenge of 06 & 07...

Amazing. I can do that too.

Shooting--Suns
FT Shooting--Suns
3 Pt Shooting---Suns
Bench--Suns
Chemistry--Suns
Transition Game--Suns
Speed--Suns

This is such a lopsided matchup. And there's a team motivated to win their first title and prove the doubters wrong once again. :D

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 08:10 PM
Amazing. I can do that too.

Shooting--Suns
FT Shooting--Suns
3 Pt Shooting---Suns
Bench--Suns
Chemistry--Suns
Transition Game--Suns
Speed--Suns

This is such a lopsided matchup. And there's a team motivated to win their first title and prove the doubters wrong once again. :D



WTF? :confused:

How the hell is their chemistry better than the Lakers?

The only new guy for the Lakers is Artest. Suns have several new faces that have come in the last 2-3 yrs. The Lakers core has been together longer.


Since those 06/07 defeats, we have Kobe, LO, Farmar, Walton, Vujacic and Bynum. Fish came in 07, Mbenga/Gasol/Powell came in 08, Brown/Artest came in 09.

And we're the defending NBA Champions!


Get that "suns better chemistry than lakers" garbage outta here!

cHi8DaL5LA420
05-11-2010, 08:21 PM
gonna be a hell of a series i know that. im looking forward to it. lakers in 6.

AI4MVP
05-11-2010, 08:31 PM
sorry but the suns chemistry IS better then the lakers. they only team who compares in chemistry to the suns still in the playoffs is the magic

Shady66
05-11-2010, 08:33 PM
WTF? :confused:

How the hell is their chemistry better than the Lakers?

The only new guy for the Lakers is Artest. Suns have several new faces that have come in the last 2-3 yrs. The Lakers core has been together longer.


Since those 06/07 defeats, we have Kobe, LO, Farmar, Walton, Vujacic and Bynum. Fish came in 07, Mbenga/Gasol/Powell came in 08, Brown/Artest came in 09.

And we're the defending NBA Champions!


Get that "suns better chemistry than lakers" garbage outta here!

No disresppect, because your one of my favourite posters here, but I think its definately debatable between the two teams, chemistry wise. On the court, I would say every player on our team has great chemistry with eachother. Other than Leandro Barbosa, who looks out of place. The only new player this season was Channing Frye. Dudley and J Rich I guess we consider newer, and it took a while for J Rich to get his chemistry with us, but its there now. And Dudley has just fit in perfectly ever since we got him. anyways.... sorry for this little ramble, cant wait for this series to start :)

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 08:40 PM
WTF? :confused:

How the hell is their chemistry better than the Lakers?

The only new guy for the Lakers is Artest. Suns have several new faces that have come in the last 2-3 yrs. The Lakers core has been together longer.


Since those 06/07 defeats, we have Kobe, LO, Farmar, Walton, Vujacic and Bynum. Fish came in 07, Mbenga/Gasol/Powell came in 08, Brown/Artest came in 09.

And we're the defending NBA Champions!


Get that "suns better chemistry than lakers" garbage outta here!

im not gonna comment on that since i dont really follow the akers much, this i can say though... This new Suns team not only have 3 great locker-room guys - Nash, Hill, Dudley.. Amare also matured a lot - he even treated the whole team one night to dinner! if you can see some locker-room post game videos, most recently, after the game 3 win against the spurse, teammates esp the starting 5 were all over dragic congratulating him.. it is a much different team when marion was here, he and amare dont get along, marion i heard is a 'cancer' in the locker room.. you can see their chemistry on court

even off court, they go to dinners and lunches together, they make funny musical videos together, they do "mock interviews" and generally nake fun of each other - their coach is well-liked, he texts amare everyday, some players call hin alvin, but during game time coach

i heard, once again, i heard so im not sure its true, that gasol have been complaining about hus touches.. that kobe's been pretty hard on bynum and vucacich.. and i dont know anything abiut their off court activites. so that's why the poster said that the team chemistry on the suns team is better.. dont know if he cheked out LA's though..

Aiwokote
05-11-2010, 08:48 PM
Only Nash, Amar'e and Barbosa remain from those teams.

As a Yankee fan, after we won the world series last year, I didn't care at all about 2004 anymore. Still wish it didn't happen, but a ring takes away those pains.
If Kobe and Odom wanna get revenge, then go get Kwame and Smush back.

It's like a kid getting picked on for months and then he hires two goons and stands behind them and says, "ok time for some payback". If that's how they will define revenge then so be it.
Teams are completely different now.

It's easy for the winners of the series to forget about it and move on. But the Lakers were the losers in the two series. That first one was especially brutal considering they were ahead.

I personally believe that the Suns trounced the Spurs due to their history against them. You can tell that there was some special motivation there (having a better team helps too). I believe Kobe alone can fire people up using the past losses as motivation.

Either way, the only thing I'm trying to say is that both teams will be more than ready for each other. Both teams won't be underestimating the other. That much is the only thing we can guarantee.

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 08:58 PM
im not gonna comment on that since i dont really follow the akers much, this i can say though... This new Suns team not only have 3 great locker-room guys - Nash, Hill, Dudley.. Amare also matured a lot - he even treated the whole team one night to dinner! if you can see some locker-room post game videos, most recently, after the game 3 win against the spurse, teammates esp the starting 5 were all over dragic congratulating him.. it is a much different team when marion was here, he and amare dont get along, marion i heard is a 'cancer' in the locker room.. you can see their chemistry on court

even off court, they go to dinners and lunches together, they make funny musical videos together, they do "mock interviews" and generally nake fun of each other - their coach is well-liked, he texts amare everyday, some players call hin alvin, but during game time coach

i heard, once again, i heard so im not sure its true, that gasol have been complaining about hus touches.. that kobe's been pretty hard on bynum and vucacich.. and i dont know anything abiut their off court activites. so that's why the poster said that the team chemistry on the suns team is better.. dont know if he cheked out LA's though..



Thanks for the insight on your team's chemistry.

As for the Lakers team chemistry, before every round of the playoffs, the team goes to a team dinner, have a good time bonding, and try to re-focus with that sense of team unity and togetherness (something that the zen master has always preached).

Kobe is hard on Bynum because he knows there's not many 7 footers in the NBA that can do what he can do. In fact, Kobe has complimented on Bynum has becoming a mature player in the league in the fact that he is learning how to play through pain so early in his career at a young age (btw, Bynum has a torn meniscus and a sore tendon). Kobe has been nothing but encouraging of Ron, saying that Ron is a special type of player where if he misses a shot, he gives triple the energy on the defensive end on the ensuing possession because he feels the need to redeem himself. And Kobe loves that about Ron. Kobe is hard on Sasha, but they are actually the closest and bestest of friends on the team. Gasol complains about his touches, but when every rational Laker fan thinks clearly and calmy about it, they realize that at the end of the day, Gasol is saying it for the bettermentof the team (The ball must always go inside-out). And a strong personality no-nonsense leader like Kobe needs someone to stand up to him from time-to-time. Kobe and D-fish share that strong bond on the court and entered the league together and are going for Ring #5 together (Nuff said). Kobe and LO have known each other way back from their high school days (Kobe in Phili and LO in NY), and they share that strong bond and friendship. The closest guy to Kobe on the team other than Sasha is maybe the quiet and low playing time guy in Josh Powell, where there was an article in the LA Times that Kobe appreciates his work ethic in practice despite him not being the most talented guy on the team. DJ Mbenga is building a school in his home nation of the Congo in Kobe's name (nuff said on that). Kobe and Luke have been together since 2003 and Kobe admires how Luke is probably the 3rd most knowledgeable guy behind himself and Fish of the triangle offense. Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, and Adam Morrison I'm sure have good relationships with their leader Kobe Bryant and the rest of the teammates.

Pluvious
05-11-2010, 08:59 PM
sorry but the suns chemistry IS better then the lakers. they only team who compares in chemistry to the suns still in the playoffs is the magic

Yeah, in case some fans have not followed the Suns closely...they really get along together. They hang out together and generally just like one another.

The Lakers have a different kind of chemistry...relating to just believing in what they are doing together. It is highly debatable if these guys actually like one another. I'm not sure Kobe likes/respects anybody to be honest. :p

JNA17
05-11-2010, 09:01 PM
jesus crist now all of a sudden suns fans are arguing about better team chemistry? :facepalm:

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 09:01 PM
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/05/nba-2k10-simulation-predicts-lakers-win-western-conference-finals-in-five-against-phoenix-suns.html



Those wondering what a week off will do for the resurgent Lakers against Phoenix in the Western Conference finals already have some answers. A simulation on NBA 2K10 has the Lakers beating the Suns in five games, serving as a welcome contrast to L.A.'s first-round exits courtesy of Phoenix in 2006 and 2007.
And those curious about whether reserve guard Sasha Vujacic will provide a Return of the Machine against Phoenix will be largely disappointed. In the simulation, Coach Phil Jackson's talk about the team valuing Vujacic's return from a left ankle sprain proved unfounded. Despite being cleared to play, The Machine didn't play a single minute in the entire simulated series.

But no worries. The Lakers won't lost much sleep over that knowing that they'll make their third consecutive Finals appearance.

And for those wondering how much stock we should put in an NBA 2K10 simulation? Well, Kobe Bryant has given his stamp of approval both as a video gamer and an endorser. And the simulation proved mostly correct in picking the Lakers to advance past Oklahoma City in the first round.

OK, so the simulation had the Lakers winning in five games instead of six. It thought the Lakers would have no trouble playing in front of OKC's electric crowd. And it didn't think the Lakers would close out the series with forward Pau Gasol tipping the ball in with half a second remaining in Game 6. But those are all style points. Lakers fans should just be comforted to know that playoff basketball extends through June.

After the jump are the story lines of each game simulation.

Game 1: Lakers' 111-105 victory

Lakers top performer: Bryant (38 points on 12-of-20 shooting)

Suns top performer: Amare Stoudemire (31 points on 13-of-18 shooting, 12 rebounds)

How the game was won: It can't be overstated how much the week of rest benefited the Lakers. Bryant went on a tear, marking his sixth consecutive game scoring at least 30 points. Not only has his lift been at an all-time high, his finger actually healed enough for him to feel comfortable driving the lane. The increased aggressiveness resulted in a 12-of-14 performance at the free-throw line. The extra rest also benefited Lakers center Andrew Bynum, who spent all week getting treatment for the lateral meniscus in his right knee. He didn't lose the spring in his step, finishing with 29 points on 11-of-16 shooting and 11 rebounds. Interestingly, Gasol couldn't maintain his playoff consistency, finishing with only four points. And forward Lamar Odom disappeared and scored zero points. Part of that had to do with the fact that Bryant went into scoring mode, and part had to do with the two players' tentativeness. Nonetheless, they combined for 24 rebounds. The Suns actually entered the fourth quarter with a 80-74 lead, controlling much of the pace thanks to the tag-team duo of Stoudemire and Steve Nash (13 points, seven assists) on screen and rolls. Don't worry, Nash's theatrics didn't happen, with him playing essentially with just one eye in this series. Nonetheless, the Lakers won the fourth quarter, 37-25, thanks to Bryant's theatrics as well as some bench support from Shannon Brown (10 points) and Jordan Farmar (eight points).

Game 2: Lakers' 122-103 victory

Lakers top performer: Bryant (41 points on 14-of-28 shooting)

Suns top performer: Stoudemire (29 points on 11-of-23 shooting, 29 points)

How the game was won: The Lakers went on cruise control right from the beginning, storming out to a 41-25 first-quarter lead and extending the cushion to 68-48 at halftime. Bryant continued his aggressiveness, going off for 41 points and finishing 11 of 12 at the free-throw line. Gasol and Bynum essentially played a role reversal from Games 1 and 2, with Gasol finishing with 22 points and 14 rebounds while Bynum had a modest 12 points and seven rebounds. The Suns spent much of their time wondering who to focus on on defense. Occasionally, Phoenix proved successful in limiting the inside production. But Gasol and Bynum often kicked the ball out to the perimeter to forward Ron Artest, who scored 20 points and went four of nine from three-point range. Despite the Lakers holding a double-digit lead for much of the second half, Jackson remained reluctant to give the bench many minutes, perhaps fearful that the Suns' fast tempo would be too overwhelming. Nonetheless, Bryant (41), Artest (41) and Gasol (40) each logged plenty of minutes. Suns forward Louis Amundson injured his wrist, but he didn't sit out.

Game 3: Suns' 123-106 victory

Lakers top performer: Bryant (25 points on 12-of-26 shooting).

Suns top performer: Stoudemire (35 points on 13-of-22 shooting)

How the game was won: The Lakers never appeared in this game, despite featuring plenty of balance with Bryant (25 points), Gasol (13 points, 17 rebounds), Artest (12 points, six rebounds, five assists), Odom (11 points, seven assists), Brown (11 points) and Farmar (10 points) scoring in double figures. The glaring omission from that stat line, of course, involved Bynum, who scored seven points in only nine minutes after feeling pain in his right knee toward the end of the first quarter. The Lakers had trouble recovering once the Suns put together a 31-20 first-quarter lead, with Phoenix outscoring them 73-64 in the second half.

Game 4: Lakers' 101-88 victory

Lakers top performer: Bryant (33 points on 13-of-28 shooting)

Suns top performer: Nash (21 points on eight-of- 12 shooting, nine assists)

How the game was won: The Lakers continued to limit Bynum, who scored only six points in 16 minutes. And his absence drastically changed the Lakers' plans. Without Bynum in the lineup, Gasol fought through constant double teams in the post and finished with only nine points on a three-of-12 clip. Bryant made up the difference with 33 points, but he aggravated the injury to his right index finger, forcing him to shoot more perimeter shots instead of driving to the basket. Artest was a little trigger-happy, going two of eight from three-point range, but his 23 points was welcomed on a night no one beyond Bryant did much offensively. Fortunately for the Lakers, the Suns weren't that involved in the game, shooting only 33 of 69 from the field. They went on a 33-22 second-quarter run after the Lakers led 27-19, but the Lakers dominated the second half. Suns guard Leandro Barbosa twisted his ankle, but didn't miss any time.

Game 5: Lakers' 114-102 victory

Lakers top performer: Bryant (36 points on 13-of-23 shooting, nine rebounds, seven assists, three steals)

Suns top performer: Stoudemire (30 points on 11-of-20 shooting and 17 rebounds)

How the game was won: The Suns stormed out to a 29-20 lead, thanks to Stoudemire's dominance. But Phoenix quickly fizzled out, with the Lakers winning the final three quarters and the Suns shooting 27 of 70 from the field. Bryant drove the lane, resulting in a seven-of-eight performance at the free-throw line. He shot from the outside, going three of five from three-point range. He helped Gasol (11) and Bynum (10) on the boards, grabbing nine rebounds. He played facilitator, combining with guard Derek Fisher for 17 assists en route to a three-tiered inside effort from Bynum (17), Gasol (14) and Odom (eight). And Bryant played lockdown defense, resulting in three steals.

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 09:05 PM
Thanks for the insight on your team's chemistry.

As for the Lakers team chemistry, before every round of the playoffs, the team goes to a team dinner, have a good time bonding, and try to re-focus with that sense of team unity and togetherness (something that the zen master has always preached).

Kobe is hard on Bynum because he knows there's not many 7 footers in the NBA that can do what he can do. In fact, Kobe has complimented on Bynum has becoming a mature player in the league in the fact that he is learning how to play through pain so early in his career at a young age (btw, Bynum has a torn meniscus and a sore tendon). Kobe has been nothing but encouraging of Ron, saying that Ron is a special type of player where if he misses a shot, he gives triple the energy on the defensive end on the ensuing possession because he feels the need to redeem himself. And Kobe loves that about Ron. Kobe is hard on Sasha, but they are actually the closest and bestest of friends on the team. Gasol complains about his touches, but when every rational Laker fan thinks clearly and calmy about it, they realize that at the end of the day, Gasol is saying it for the bettermentof the team (The ball must always go inside-out). And a strong personality no-nonsense leader like Kobe needs someone to stand up to him from time-to-time. Kobe and D-fish share that strong bond on the court and entered the league together and are going for Ring #5 together (Nuff said). Kobe and LO have known each other way back from their high school days (Kobe in Phili and LO in NY), and they share that strong bond and friendship. The closest guy to Kobe on the team other than Sasha is maybe the quiet and low playing time guy in Josh Powell, where there was an article in the LA Times that Kobe appreciates his work ethic in practice despite him not being the most talented guy on the team. DJ Mbenga is building a school in his home nation of the Congo in Kobe's name (nuff said on that). Kobe and Luke have been together since 2003 and Kobe admires how Luke is probably the 3rd most knowledgeable guy behind himself and Fish of the triangle offense. Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, and Adam Morrison I'm sure have good relationships with their leader Kobe Bryant and the rest of the teammates.

thanks for the insight too bro..

well, it seems that both teams do have good chemistry among them, so can wel call it a draw? or too close to call? lol

Shady66
05-11-2010, 09:07 PM
jesus crist now all of a sudden suns fans are arguing about better team chemistry? :facepalm:

totally deserves a facepalm

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 09:09 PM
[QUOTE=ko8e24;13284797]http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/05/nba-2k10-simulation-predicts-lakers-win-western-conference-finals-in-five-against-phoenix-suns.html[/QUOT

wow.......... darn .... now im depressed ... game over now ... i concede .....

Voodoo Alchemy
05-11-2010, 09:17 PM
may the team that plays the best...win.

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 09:22 PM
thanks for the insight too bro..

Well, it seems that both teams do have good chemistry among them, so can wel call it a draw? Or too close to call? Lol

draw, every team's chemistry is created in different ways.

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 09:29 PM
[QUOTE=ko8e24;13284797]http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/05/nba-2k10-simulation-predicts-lakers-win-western-conference-finals-in-five-against-phoenix-suns.html[/QUOT

wow.......... darn .... now im depressed ... game over now ... i concede .....

:laugh2:

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 09:31 PM
draw, every team's chemistry is created in different ways.

agree bro! cant wait for monday..

i know some LA fans are expeccting an easy series or even a sweep but i like our chances too.. uphill battle but not mission impossible

goodluck to both teams and may the best team (hoping SUns :clap:) win!!

this i can tell you bro... i GUARANTEE you that the team that scored the most points in every game is going to the Finals... :)

AI4MVP
05-11-2010, 09:35 PM
i honestly believe stoudemire will win the matcchup of amare vs gasol. gasol is a great player, but amare is much tougher and athletically taltned then him. MUCH tougher. did anyone else notice when he got hit in the eye the other day he layed on the floor kicking and *****ing about it forever! and nash gets hit in the eye and he doesnt even fall or show any sign of being hurt. just goes in the locker room, gets stitches, and comes out and kicks *** with one eye

ko8e24
05-11-2010, 09:37 PM
agree bro! cant wait for monday..

i know some LA fans are expeccting an easy series or even a sweep but i like our chances too.. uphill battle but not mission impossible

goodluck to both teams and may the best team (hoping SUns :clap:) win!!

this i can tell you bro... i GUARANTEE you that the team that scored the most points in every game is going to the Finals... :)

I say the way the SUns have played, I'm going with LA in 7.


HOWEVER...

I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers play in pissed off mode the entire series and "may sweep".

Suns and Nash were sick of losing to Spurs all those yrs in the playoffs. Lakers remember the 06 and 07 playoff exits by Suns.

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 09:40 PM
i honestly believe stoudemire will win the matcchup of amare vs gasol. gasol is a great player, but amare is much tougher and athletically taltned then him. MUCH tougher. did anyone else notice when he got hit in the eye the other day he layed on the floor kicking and *****ing about it forever! and nash gets hit in the eye and he doesnt even fall or show any sign of being hurt. just goes in the locker room, gets stitches, and comes out and kicks *** with one eye

did you see the clip on nash's collision with parker that led to his nose bleeding profusely? he didn't fall too that time... tell you bro.. for suns to have a chance nash really needs to dominate, like he did in game 1 against the spurs

how you holding up bro? how's the heart? getting enough sleep? anxious abt monday? :)

DengelBerry
05-11-2010, 09:40 PM
lakers in 5. Like i said the Thunder was the lakers's toughest matchup, now everything is almost a gimmie until the finals. Suns are no exception despite them playing well so far.


Agreed


Agreed also

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 09:47 PM
i forgot about barbosa but i thought frye starts no?

Barbosa is one of our worst players off the bench nowadays. Frye comes off the bench. As another poster mentioned we start RoLo at Centre (when fit), or Collins.

You really don't know much about the current Suns do you? But yet you are so sure that the Lakers will win the series? The Lakers probably will win but it will be a lot closer than most people are suggesting.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 09:51 PM
Barbosa is one of our worst players off the bench nowadays. Frye comes off the bench. As another poster mentioned we start RoLo at Centre (when fit), or Collins.

You really don't know much about the current Suns do you? But yet you are so sure that the Lakers will win the series? The Lakers probably will win but it will be a lot closer than most people are suggesting.

Not really. Alll the head to head, stats, and home court suggest it is about 5 games going the Lakers way. The Suns are not that great. They are a good team, but not even close to matching the Lakers as the 3-1 regular season indicates, the rebounding numbers sway the Lakers way, The blocked shots advantage, and the defensive numbers suggest.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 09:53 PM
It will all be sorted out Monday and will be over in 4 or 5, the Suns will look pretty bad against the Lakers and I think will put up less of a fight than the Thunder.

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 09:54 PM
I say the way the SUns have played, I'm going with LA in 7.


HOWEVER...

I wouldn't be surprised if Lakers play in pissed off mode the entire series and "may sweep".

Suns and Nash were sick of losing to Spurs all those yrs in the playoffs. Lakers remember the 06 and 07 playoff exits by Suns.

glad you brought that up bro... juust confused about the "revenge" thing.. we have never even been to the finals, overall we've been unlucky and suffered heart breaks after another esp against the spurs, and yet you guys have won a championship since then.. just wondering why have i seen that "revenge" posts all over the PSD, was that really that bad for you guys - we've never had successs in the post season and you guys are defending champs right now.. and LA's losses, its not even the WCF

just asking bro, not trying to start anything.. i can imagine the '06 series wherein we came back from 1-3 to win game seven might sting but like i said, you guys are Champs now unless somebody takes them away from you in june (or is it july?) also heard about Kobe still remembering that series, again, not trying to rile up people, but should he blame himself for that one? i mean he scored 23 points in the first half and shot only 3 times in the second..

i am just not really comfortable about the whole "revenge" thing... you know why? i remember MJ trying to look for ways/reasons to get pissed off at other plaers and coaches on the opposing teams in order to motivate himself much more - didn't coaches, during interviews, refused to say anything bad about Michael so as not to piss him off? same angle, you guys are much bigger than us, more experienced, have Kobe.. all those advantages - we dont need for the Lakers to be pissed off and thinking revenge too - it is just bad for us!! LMAO :)

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 09:56 PM
Barbosa is one of our worst players off the bench nowadays. Frye comes off the bench. As another poster mentioned we start RoLo at Centre (when fit), or Collins.

You really don't know much about the current Suns do you? But yet you are so sure that the Lakers will win the series? The Lakers probably will win but it will be a lot closer than most people are suggesting.

i think barbosa's stepping up his play in the playoffs though bro.. not nowhere near when he and diaw were our only bench but getting better

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 10:03 PM
The suns leading scorer in the playoffs J Rich averaged 8ppg on 30% shooting and 14% on 3s in 4 games against the Lakers this year.

Great find on the stats. Pity J-Rich was playing injured for 3 of those 4 games.

xBLAMEITON24x
05-11-2010, 10:16 PM
LA in 5.

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 10:21 PM
WTF? :confused:

How the hell is their chemistry better than the Lakers?

The only new guy for the Lakers is Artest. Suns have several new faces that have come in the last 2-3 yrs. The Lakers core has been together longer.


Since those 06/07 defeats, we have Kobe, LO, Farmar, Walton, Vujacic and Bynum. Fish came in 07, Mbenga/Gasol/Powell came in 08, Brown/Artest came in 09.

And we're the defending NBA Champions!


Get that "suns better chemistry than lakers" garbage outta here!

Ha ha! Watch the Suns' post game locker-room videos. Read some of the guys blogs and what they have to say about their teammates. Our whole team goes out to dinner with each other and socialise together regularly. The Suns have a great team chemistry; both on and off the court.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:25 PM
Great find on the stats. Pity J-Rich was playing injured for 3 of those 4 games.

Whatever,he still played. If you play, it doesn't matter what was hurt.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:28 PM
Ha ha! Watch the Suns' post game locker-room videos. Read some of the guys blogs and what they have to say about their teammates. Our whole team goes out to dinner with each other and socialise together regularly. The Suns have a great team chemistry; both on and off the court.

Chemistry isn't going to make them a better team than this Laker team, atleast we know they won't have a problem going on vacation together after the Lakers win in 5.

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 10:31 PM
Not really. Alll the head to head, stats, and home court suggest it is about 5 games going the Lakers way. The Suns are not that great. They are a good team, but not even close to matching the Lakers as the 3-1 regular season indicates, the rebounding numbers sway the Lakers way, The blocked shots advantage, and the defensive numbers suggest.

Ignorance is bliss in your case. This is arguably the best Suns team since 1992-93.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:34 PM
Ignorance is bliss in your case. This is arguably the best Suns team since 1992-93.

And this Laker team is better than this Suns team according to record, Rebounding, wins, head to head, and defensive numbers across the board.

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 10:35 PM
Whatever,he still played. If you play, it doesn't matter what was hurt.

Aside from Kobe, I think every other player in the league struggles with their shooting when they have a hand/wrist injury.

J-Rich was jacking up bricks for most of the season until he finally recovered and stopped relying on his shot so much. His points are up since he is slashing, leading the fast break, posting up, and only taking good shots from long range.

airraptor8
05-11-2010, 10:40 PM
i honestly believe stoudemire will win the matcchup of amare vs gasol. gasol is a great player, but amare is much tougher and athletically taltned then him. MUCH tougher. did anyone else notice when he got hit in the eye the other day he layed on the floor kicking and *****ing about it forever! and nash gets hit in the eye and he doesnt even fall or show any sign of being hurt. just goes in the locker room, gets stitches, and comes out and kicks *** with one eye


...how does your example about nash show that amare is tougher than pau...

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 10:41 PM
And this Laker team is better than this Suns team according to record, Rebounding, wins, head to head, and defensive numbers across the board.

That's nice. I love stats too. The only true measure of whether a team is better than another is a 7 game series with both teams at full strength.

I think that it is more likely that the Lakers will win this series but don't write off the Suns. At least you will obtain knowledge of the current Suns team after this series.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:43 PM
That's nice. I love stats too. The only true measure of whether a team is better than another is a 7 game series with both teams at full strength.

I think that it is more likely that the Lakers will win this series but don't write off the Suns. At least you will obtain knowledge of the current Suns team after this series.

I think I already know about this current Suns team, and this series will just prove my point.

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 10:49 PM
I think I already know about this current Suns team, and this series will just prove my point.

Ha! You thought Frye was a starter and that Barbosa was worth mentioning as a bench player. Frye has hardly started since mid January and Barbosa is probably our 5th option off the bench.

Yeah, you know lots about the current Suns team.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:52 PM
Ha! You thought Frye was a starter and that Barbosa was worth mentioning as a bench player. Frye has hardly started since mid January and Barbosa is probably our 5th option off the bench.

Yeah, you know lots about the current Suns team.

Ha, you can't read. I put that Collins has been starting for Lopez. I never said Frye was a starter, go back and look through the thread instead of making stuff up without a quote. I said Barbosa has been off this year and has played well against the Lakers in the past, again, go back and check, wrong again.

I also know Frye was a starter and the Suns thought he was great because he was hot for 2 weeks.

Pluvious
05-11-2010, 10:53 PM
I think I already know about this current Suns team, and this series will just prove my point.

What are the Sun's 3 main strengths? Who are the 3 best defenders? Indicate what Robin Lopez brings to the team and how that may relate to the series? What is the difference between Richardson and Amare now and earlier in the season (similar)? How good of a defender would you say Grant Hill is? How good of 3 point shooting team is Phoenix and why? How good of rebounding team would you say Phoenix is and what is the difference in that area this year as opposed to year's past? What type of defenses work best on limiting the Suns' offense and why? How much of a factor do you think each specific bench player for the Suns can actually have (Dragic, Amundsen, Barbosa, Frye, Dudley)? How important is it for the Suns to be in transition in order to win...and how necessary was it in the Spurs series? Who will guard Kobe? Artest? How easy will it be to slow Jason Richardson?

Feel free to answer as many as you can and Suns fans can see how many you get correct. We want to see what kind of expert you are in order to take your prediction seriously or not. ;)

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 10:53 PM
I think I already know about this current Suns team, and this series will just prove my point.

cuirous bro.. have you watched all games of the suns in the playoffs? vs portland and spurs? or you just assume that the team suck because of the previous record against LA? coz if yo have watched all games (playoffs), you will see how not only are steppig up in the playoffs but the bench as well, consistently.... or will you just be stubborn and just say the suns suck just because you're a laker fan?

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 10:58 PM
Ha, you can't read. I put that Collins has been starting for Lopez. I never said Frye was a starter, go back and look through the thread instead of making stuff up without a quote. I said Barbosa has been off this year and has played well against the Lakers in the past, again, go back and check, wrong again.

I also know Frye was a starter and the Suns thought he was great because he was hot for 2 weeks.

My apologies; it was JNA17 who posted both of those statements.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:59 PM
cuirous bro.. have you watched all games of the suns in the playoffs? vs portland and spurs? or you just assume that the team suck because of the previous record against LA? coz if yo have watched all games (playoffs), you will see how not only are steppig up in the playoffs but the bench as well, consistently.... or will you just be stubborn and just say the suns suck just because you're a laker fan?

I didn'tsay the Suns suck, I think the Lakers are a better team and the Suns won't match up well.

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 11:01 PM
sorry for the suck part... didn't answer my question though.. about how you claim to know about the current suns team

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 11:05 PM
sorry for the suck part... didn't answer my question though.. about how you claim to know about the current suns team

I don't need to know about the Suns team,I know about what this Laker team can do and has done,that is allI need to know.

RoyalG333
05-11-2010, 11:06 PM
Very good chance it will be Kobe vs Lebron this year.

disagree...I say its Orlando v LA and it will be a really fun Finals to watch.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 11:06 PM
What are the Sun's 3 main strengths? Who are the 3 best defenders? Indicate what Robin Lopez brings to the team and how that may relate to the series? What is the difference between Richardson and Amare now and earlier in the season (similar)? How good of a defender would you say Grant Hill is? How good of 3 point shooting team is Phoenix and why? How good of rebounding team would you say Phoenix is and what is the difference in that area this year as opposed to year's past? What type of defenses work best on limiting the Suns' offense and why? How much of a factor do you think each specific bench player for the Suns can actually have (Dragic, Amundsen, Barbosa, Frye, Dudley)? How important is it for the Suns to be in transition in order to win...and how necessary was it in the Spurs series? Who will guard Kobe? Artest? How easy will it be to slow Jason Richardson?

Feel free to answer as many as you can and Suns fans can see how many you get correct. We want to see what kind of expert you are in order to take your prediction seriously or not. ;)


It doesn't matter what the Suns do,it will not be enough. It doesn't matter if you don't take my prediction seriously,because you will see it come true in 4or 5 games.

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 11:11 PM
I don't need to know about the Suns team,I know about what this Laker team can do and has done,that is allI need to know.

That's the same sort of attitude the Mavs fans took before getting knocked out by the Warriors in 07.

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 11:11 PM
I don't need to know about the Suns team,I know about what this Laker team can do and has done,that is allI need to know.

You dont need to know.... got ya... i thought you said you knew about the current suns team... congratuations bro! you lost me, its gonna be hard to have an intelligent discussion with you then.. sayonara!

king4day
05-11-2010, 11:14 PM
It doesn't matter what the Suns do,it will not be enough. It doesn't matter if you don't take my prediction seriously,because you will see it come true in 4or 5 games.

He's just making that you should have the facts to back your opinion.

I coulda just said the Suns will sweep the Spurs. And now that they did I'd look like a genious.
If Lakers win in 4 or 5, all that proves is you guessed right. Not an educated guess. Just a guess.

SNYmets86
05-11-2010, 11:19 PM
i really hope the suns beat the lakers ..... plus i really want to see Robin Lopez back ....he was doing his thing

Bishnoff
05-11-2010, 11:22 PM
i really hope the suns beat the lakers ..... plus i really want to see Robin Lopez back ....he was doing his thing

Hell yeah, we need him so badly for this series. Just read in the Suns forums that he's a "strong chance to play" in Game 1 going by today's full-court practice.

http://www.twitter.com/paulcoro

rocky4104
05-11-2010, 11:23 PM
i really hope the suns beat the lakers ..... plus i really want to see Robin Lopez back ....he was doing his thing

first time i've seen you post bro, and i like you already.... i don't know why lol

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 11:28 PM
He's just making that you should have the facts to back your opinion.

I coulda just said the Suns will sweep the Spurs. And now that they did I'd look like a genious.
If Lakers win in 4 or 5, all that proves is you guessed right. Not an educated guess. Just a guess.

I posted tons of facts.Look through the thread. The Lakers won the season series 3-1, J Rich averaged 8ppg in 4 games and shot 30%, Amare shot 45%, The Lakers are bigger, experienced, Best D in the playoffs, top 5 in reg season in D, best in NBA at defending the 3 ball,better rebounding and shot blocking team, and they will have the best player on the floor from either team, the 3rd best player and best defender.

king4day
05-11-2010, 11:42 PM
I posted tons of facts.Look through the thread. The Lakers won the season series 3-1, J Rich averaged 8ppg in 4 games and shot 30%, Amare shot 45%, The Lakers are bigger, experienced, Best D in the playoffs, top 5 in reg season in D, best in NBA at defending the 3 ball,better rebounding and shot blocking team, and they will have the best player on the floor from either team, the 3rd best player and best defender.

Season series ya really can't go by. 3 of those games were before Lopez was moved to the starting lineup.
Richardson became the second best player on this team after the last time we played you guys.
The D has been it's best it's ever been since the last time we played.

And while I don't expect LA to play their bench much, if they do, they have to go against a very effective second unit of the Suns.

I can see Richardson and Hill having trouble with Kobe and artest guarding them, but if Fisher is guarding Nash, he'll find a way to spread things out.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 11:49 PM
Season series ya really can't go by. 3 of those games were before Lopez was moved to the starting lineup.
Richardson became the second best player on this team after the last time we played you guys.
The D has been it's best it's ever been since the last time we played.

And while I don't expect LA to play their bench much, if they do, they have to go against a very effective second unit of the Suns.

I can see Richardson and Hill having trouble with Kobe and artest guarding them, but if Fisher is guarding Nash, he'll find a way to spread things out.

Yup,can't count the season series becuase the Suns lost 3 of 4. All the other stats and size still lean towards LA. The Lakers defend, rebound, have better bigs at PF and C,and have the best player on the floor in the series. Good luck,Lakers in 5.

LA_Raiders
05-11-2010, 11:59 PM
LA in 5....REVENGE!!!

leftymo
05-12-2010, 12:35 AM
Great find on the stats. Pity J-Rich was playing injured for 3 of those 4 games.


pity jrich will now get either Kobe Bryant all first team defense guarding him, or that guy named Ron Artest on him.

If Phx is depending on Jrich for this series, you are in more trouble than I thought.

Jenceman
05-12-2010, 12:40 AM
Should be an easy 5 games for the Lakers.

SNYmets86
05-12-2010, 12:44 AM
it will be funny watching andrew bynum go up and down the court with a suns system that's based on runnin .....i dont know how much more his knees can take ....

gcoll
05-12-2010, 12:44 AM
Yup,can't count the season series becuase the Suns lost 3 of 4.
We lost 2/3 to Portland.

leftymo
05-12-2010, 12:45 AM
Amazing. I can do that too.

Shooting--Suns
FT Shooting--Suns
3 Pt Shooting---Suns
Bench--Suns
Chemistry--Suns
Transition Game--Suns
Speed--Suns

This is such a lopsided matchup. And there's a team motivated to win their first title and prove the doubters wrong once again. :D


None of those numbers wins championships. If anyone knows that it would be the Suns and Lakers!

Chemistry is acquired by playing collectively together for years. Lakers have more than Suns. They've been through the battles for over 2 years now including what success tastes like.

Speed and Transition game is what fails in the playoffs.

gcoll
05-12-2010, 12:48 AM
None of those numbers wins championships.

People acting like basketball is a science are not smart.

Jenceman
05-12-2010, 12:54 AM
What are the Sun's 3 main strengths? Three- point shooting, pick and roll, and early offense.

Who are the 3 best defenders? Hill, Dudley, and Lopez

Indicate what Robin Lopez brings to the team and how that may relate to the series? A good defensive 7 footer? It allows them to try and guard Bynum and Gasol mano to mano, which will be a huge mistake

What is the difference between Richardson and Amare now and earlier in the season (similar)? Richardson is cutting more and such, and Amare is getting better shots inside?

How good of a defender would you say Grant Hill is? Decent enough for a 37 year old, but Kobe will absolutely murder him.....

How good of 3 point shooting team is Phoenix and why? Weren't they historically good? And because of good team spacing and a plethora of shooters along with an excellent passing PG.

How good of rebounding team would you say Phoenix is and what is the difference in that area this year as opposed to year's past? Above average, and the difference is the emergence of Lopez, and a better overall team defense

What type of defenses work best on limiting the Suns' offense and why?
Any defense that limits penetration.

How much of a factor do you think each specific bench player for the Suns can actually have (Dragic, Amundsen, Barbosa, Frye, Dudley)? Dragic will have the biggest impact, but he will have to be huge, along with Nash, if the Suns even want to begin to hope about taking this to 7. Dudley will be the second most important guy, seeing as he will be the other player guarding Kobe besides Hill. Amundsen is ugly.

How important is it for the Suns to be in transition in order to win...and how necessary was it in the Spurs series?

They are pretty effective when getting early offense, but not necessarily fast break points. And early offense is essential for the Suns, but again, not necessarily fast break points.

Who will guard Kobe? Hill and Dudley mostly. And they will get torched.

Artest? Richardson

How easy will it be to slow Jason Richardson? Pretty easily if Artest is on him, then he will have a very poor series, just like Durant.....



There. Lakers in 5.

Jenceman
05-12-2010, 12:55 AM
We lost 2/3 to Portland.

Portland didn't have their best player and took you guys to 6, no?

Either way, it's irrelevant.

974life
05-12-2010, 01:01 AM
Should be a great series, but i just dont see the lakers losing. The only thing Im not sure of is in how many games. I think if the lakers play balls out it will be 4, but if they let the suns hang around were looking at 6, either way Lakers win.

gcoll
05-12-2010, 01:01 AM
Either way, it's irrelevant.
I agree. Just saying.

And also. Everyone was on the Spurs bandwagon after they took out the Mavs. Then we beat them in 4, and it's "Eh. They sucked anyway". Christ. You gotta give this Suns team some credit. Like I keep harping on. We had the best record in the West since the all-star break.

Lakers fans are setting themselves up for a really hard fall. But I'm sure if the Suns pull off the win, the Lakers fans will lose with grace and dignity.

rocky4104
05-12-2010, 01:05 AM
None of those numbers wins championships. If anyone knows that it would be the Suns and Lakers!

Chemistry is acquired by playing collectively together for years. Lakers have more than Suns. They've been through the battles for over 2 years now including what success tastes like.

Speed and Transition game is what fails in the playoffs.

3-point shooting, FT shooting, and the bench helped us win the series against portland an sweep the spurs - how can you say that it does not win championships? and do you know what transition game is? easy points because they are mostly lay-ups.. or you are just saying these dont matter because the suns are better here in these departments? you can comeback and say we are pressing these facts just because it will help us negate the size advantage of the lakers and kobe's overall briliance - you can just easily throw it at my face too but the truth is these same factors are what made the improbable suns the WCF opponent of the heavily favored lakers - defying critics' predictions - you probably are one of those who thought that the suns will not make the playoffs or will be run over by the spurs right? fact is they are here.. we may not be the favorite, but being here gives us a chance to win...

i accept the lakers are bigger, stronger, have the best player in the west, and more experienced, and it will take a near-perfect game and all the other intagibles o work for the suns to have a chance - i just find it hilarious that some LA fans would say all the other factors in the game dont count, just because its not in their favor..

Voodoo Alchemy
05-12-2010, 01:08 AM
Portland didn't have their best player and took you guys to 6, no?

Either way, it's irrelevant.

actually, they took us to 5. the first game didn't count. the suns were still on vacation.

gcoll
05-12-2010, 01:10 AM
I'd also question the Lakers size advantage. The Suns aren't exactly small. We got Lopez (7 footer) and two 6'10 guys, Frye and Amare.

GoatMilk
05-12-2010, 01:13 AM
yeah but Amare and Frye play small on defense

Bishnoff
05-12-2010, 01:13 AM
pity jrich will now get either Kobe Bryant all first team defense guarding him, or that guy named Ron Artest on him.

If Phx is depending on Jrich for this series, you are in more trouble than I thought.

We aren't. We've had 7 different game winners so far in the Playoffs. We don't rely on any single player anymore. Even our 2nd year backup PG can step up for 23 points in a 4th quarter to win us a game.

Iron24th
05-12-2010, 01:17 AM
actually, they took us to 5. the first game didn't count. the suns were still on vacation.

:facepalm:

Jenceman
05-12-2010, 01:21 AM
I'd also question the Lakers size advantage. The Suns aren't exactly small. We got Lopez (7 footer) and two 6'10 guys, Frye and Amare.

Eh, Frye and Amare play smaller than they are....

If I'm Phil, I have Gasol guard Lopez (if he's back) and put Bynum on Amare. Bynum consistently outplays or frustrates the hell outta Amare. Then again, with the way Gasol has been playing, he should be able to handle STAT.

Bishnoff
05-12-2010, 01:21 AM
:facepalm:

Voodoo jokes a lot. You'll know when to take his posts seriously because they will be rational and generally spot on.

Jenceman
05-12-2010, 01:22 AM
actually, they took us to 5. the first game didn't count. the suns were still on vacation.

aha this made me chuckle.

Bishnoff
05-12-2010, 01:27 AM
Eh, Frye and Amare play smaller than they are....

If I'm Phil, I have Gasol guard Lopez (if he's back) and put Bynum on Amare. Bynum consistently outplays or frustrates the hell outta Amare. Then again, with the way Gasol has been playing, he should be able to handle STAT.

If I was Phil I'd put Bynum on Amar'e too. Amar'e generally struggles against Bynum.

rocky4104
05-12-2010, 01:29 AM
:facepalm:

can't take a joke bro?

rocky4104
05-12-2010, 01:42 AM
Eh, Frye and Amare play smaller than they are....

If I'm Phil, I have Gasol guard Lopez (if he's back) and put Bynum on Amare. Bynum consistently outplays or frustrates the hell outta Amare. Then again, with the way Gasol has been playing, he should be able to handle STAT.

i have a question bro with regards to the size advantage of the Lakers.. if the suns double-team the bigs (like they did with duncan), assuming they get the ball abt 5-10 feet away from the basket, they will probably kick it out outside right? and when that happens, aside from Bryant and fisher, do you guys have anymore reliable long 2 and/or 3-point shooters out there?

reason i ask is the suns can make it a shootout if they want to, provided they double team the bigs everytime thereby leaving someone open.. i know the LAkers have more ammo than that, Bryant's a great one-on-one player, and like i said one of the best players today and proven he can carry a team on his shoulders, but can he do that for a full series? just throwing ideas out there

Bishnoff
05-12-2010, 02:56 AM
i have a question bro with regards to the size advantage of the Lakers.. if the suns double-team the bigs (like they did with duncan), assuming they get the ball abt 5-10 feet away from the basket, they will probably kick it out outside right? and when that happens, aside from Bryant and fisher, do you guys have anymore reliable long 2 and/or 3-point shooters out there?

reason i ask is the suns can make it a shootout if they want to, provided they double team the bigs everytime thereby leaving someone open.. i know the LAkers have more ammo than that, Bryant's a great one-on-one player, and like i said one of the best players today and proven he can carry a team on his shoulders, but can he do that for a full series? just throwing ideas out there

I've never thought of Artest as a good shooter, or even a smart shooter. Fisher will hit open 3's all day long if we give him the chance. Farmar and Odom can also hit open shots fairly well.

The other problem with this strategy is if we double one big, what is preventing them from passing to the other big for an easy basket? Gasol is a very good passer for a big guy and will find the open man. It's worth a try but I'd prefer to go with RoLo guarding Bynum and Amar'e guarding Gasol straight up.

gcoll
05-12-2010, 03:02 AM
Eh, Frye and Amare play smaller than they are....
Still. We're not as undersized as people are making it out to be.

You'd think we were the Suns from a few years ago, the way people are talking about it. I really think that most of the sports commentators out there have been paying 0 attention to the Suns this year.

I think they wrote us off early, and missed how good we were. They paid more attention to the Mavs, and Nuggets.

rocky4104
05-12-2010, 03:10 AM
I've never thought of Artest as a good shooter, or even a smart shooter. Fisher will hit open 3's all day long if we give him the chance. Farmar and Odom can also hit open shots fairly well.

The other problem with this strategy is if we double one big, what is preventing them from passing to the other big for an easy basket? Gasol is a very good passer for a big guy and will find the open man. It's worth a try but I'd prefer to go with RoLo guarding Bynum and Amar'e guarding Gasol straight up.

if they post one big and let the other big hang around near the basket, it will clog the lane, easier for us to defend, thtas what happened to us remember? with the shaqtus experiment,our offense was stagnant cause it was clogged inside.. so they probably wi take one big out in the perimeter, and unless their bigs are the take-the-pass-then-drive-to-the hoop type of player then we'll be fine.... i think, lol but what do i know? im just a humble PSD poster who pretends to know about basketball :)

SeoulBeatz
05-12-2010, 03:32 AM
the lakers will probably win this, maybe even with a lil help from d. stern haha just playin


but im rooting for the suns (sorry lakers fans) because Lakers already got theirs, let Steve Nash and Grant Hill have a shot at the chip... please?

heathonater
05-12-2010, 03:50 AM
lakers in 5 or 6. the suns dont have enough bigs down low to defend gasol and bynum effectively. the lakers match up well with phoenix for this reason.

Bishnoff
05-12-2010, 04:13 AM
if they post one big and let the other big hang around near the basket, it will clog the lane, easier for us to defend, thtas what happened to us remember? with the shaqtus experiment,our offense was stagnant cause it was clogged inside.. so they probably wi take one big out in the perimeter, and unless their bigs are the take-the-pass-then-drive-to-the hoop type of player then we'll be fine.... i think, lol but what do i know? im just a humble PSD poster who pretends to know about basketball :)

I don't think clogging the lane will harm them too much. It hurt us since Amar'e and Nash need room to operate, but the Laker's triangle offense would still provide sufficient spacing and passing lanes to overcome doubles.

rocky4104
05-12-2010, 04:42 AM
I don't think clogging the lane will harm them too much. It hurt us since Amar'e and Nash need room to operate, but the Laker's triangle offense would still provide sufficient spacing and passing lanes to overcome doubles.

in defense yes, we need that room but on offense you have a point.. but do they still employ the triangle offense when the big 3 are all playing?

DCB/LAL
05-12-2010, 06:01 AM
Look I dont think it matters if Lopez is back or not. If Pau Gasol and the Laker bigs were to big and to good last year for Dwight Howard who has been the 2 time defensive player of the year and for Rashard Lewis and for Hedo Turkoglu how can Suns fans feel confident that Lopez will make a BIG enough difference to win the series?


Rashard Lewis 6'10".................Amare Stoudemire 6'10"

Hedo Turkoglu 6'10"..................Channing Fry 6'11"

Dwight Howard 6'11"..................Robin Lopez 7'0"

Marcin Gortat 6'11"...................Jarron Collins 6'11"




The Magic line-up was a better line-up Offensively and Defensively and they were not able to overcome the Lakers length and how versatile they are and thats because they had Hedo, Rashard and Dwight ALL ON THE FLOOR AT THE SAME TIME.


Listen the Lakers dont need to play big they can put Odom at the 4(he doesn't score as much against them but usaully comes up HUGE on the boards against them) and Gasol at the 5 and beat the Suns at their own game and that might mean even more trouble for the Suns if LA chooses to do that I just dont see it...I dont see how Lopez will be enough to change the series much if at all.

Anywho good luck to the Suns and their fans.

Shortys4711
05-12-2010, 07:22 AM
Ok, tell the Suns to make Vacation plans for the end of May, because they won't be playing in June. Tell Amare he needs to rebound, or Gasol will avg 20 this series.

It was a good year for your team, but it is going to be over soon, deal with it now, instead of being upset later.

Yeah Amare must be such a bad rebounder compared to Gasol I mean Gasol finished the season with 734 rebounds while Amare only had 732. wow he better take some notes from Pau then.

Lancelot
05-12-2010, 09:44 AM
yeah but Amare and Frye play small on defense

they play equal to pau and odom. pau and odom aren't lock down on defense by any means. lopez and bynum are both good on d down low. there's not much of a difference there, just a perception and exposure difference.

Gibby23
05-12-2010, 10:18 AM
Yeah Amare must be such a bad rebounder compared to Gasol I mean Gasol finished the season with 734 rebounds while Amare only had 732. wow he better take some notes from Pau then.

Yes you are right. Gasol finished with 2 more rebounds in 17 less games played.

blue bleeder09
05-12-2010, 10:35 AM
lakers in 5 ,suns should get one at ome then game over

The Final Boss
05-12-2010, 12:29 PM
If the Lakers lose this series I will send every Phoenix fan who posted on this thread before me, $5.00...

Punkindrublic03
05-12-2010, 12:36 PM
Suns sweep. duh.

m26555
05-12-2010, 12:38 PM
Lakers in six. They have too much size. I think it goes six because I think there will be one game where Phoenix just flat out out-runs L.A. and another where the Lakers just don't play very well.

AZCardsFan
05-12-2010, 01:09 PM
If the Lakers lose this series I will send every Phoenix fan who posted on this thread before me, $5.00...

Posted :cool:

JNA17
05-12-2010, 01:11 PM
I'll do better, i will go naked in 10-20 degree weather and delete my PSD account if the suns win the series.

rocky4104
05-12-2010, 02:37 PM
I'll do better, i will go naked in 10-20 degree weather and delete my PSD account if the suns win the series.

noted bro..

rocky4104
05-12-2010, 02:45 PM
If the Lakers lose this series I will send every Phoenix fan who posted on this thread before me, $5.00...

why only $5 bro? if you're so sure and wanted to make a bold statement, why 5 bucks? not gonna hurt your bank account if its only a small change so this act of bravado is all just hot air..

Suns fans are probablly just laughing at you... $5 Bucks!! and you think we'll be excited at the possibility of getting 5 bucks from you? funny guy.... be bold!! pee into the wind!! like your fellow LA fan JNA17.. :)

iggypop123
05-12-2010, 02:49 PM
this seris simply comes down to the 3. if the suns live by it they can win some games if they die by it, it could get really ugly, uglier than the jazz series.

rocky4104
05-12-2010, 03:27 PM
this seris simply comes down to the 3. if the suns live by it they can win some games if they die by it, it could get really ugly, uglier than the jazz series.

i agree on this one, if the suns wont be able to negate LA's size advantage, they will have to just flat-out outshoot them to have a chance in the series

DCB/LAL
05-12-2010, 03:53 PM
Like I said the Suns remind me of the Magic last year.....

They had the height, they were the best 3 point shooting team, they had the defensive player of the year as a BIG no less which was supposed help neutralize Gasol's Offensive game....


How'd that work out?

Bishnoff
05-12-2010, 06:49 PM
Look I dont think it matters if Lopez is back or not. If Pau Gasol and the Laker bigs were to big and to good last year for Dwight Howard who has been the 2 time defensive player of the year and for Rashard Lewis and for Hedo Turkoglu how can Suns fans feel confident that Lopez will make a BIG enough difference to win the series?


Rashard Lewis 6'10".................Amare Stoudemire 6'10"

Hedo Turkoglu 6'10"..................Channing Fry 6'11"

Dwight Howard 6'11"..................Robin Lopez 7'0"

Marcin Gortat 6'11"...................Jarron Collins 6'11"




The Magic line-up was a better line-up Offensively and Defensively and they were not able to overcome the Lakers length and how versatile they are and thats because they had Hedo, Rashard and Dwight ALL ON THE FLOOR AT THE SAME TIME.


Listen the Lakers dont need to play big they can put Odom at the 4(he doesn't score as much against them but usaully comes up HUGE on the boards against them) and Gasol at the 5 and beat the Suns at their own game and that might mean even more trouble for the Suns if LA chooses to do that I just dont see it...I dont see how Lopez will be enough to change the series much if at all.

Anywho good luck to the Suns and their fans.

I don't think last year's Finals was about length. The Magic out-rebounded the Lakers in 3 of the 5 games and Bynum wasn't really a factor in the whole series.

Bigger factors were that the Magic guards played poorly except for Alston in Game 3. Hedo wasn't hitting 3's, and Kobe was going off scoring wise. Bringing back Nelson really screwed with the Magic's rhythm and they never recovered.

RadiantShot
05-12-2010, 07:04 PM
Lakers in 6. I think the Suns will steal a game or two, but I don't think they have what it takes to beat the Lakers, especially on their home-court.

RadiantShot
05-12-2010, 07:07 PM
I don't think last year's Finals was about length. The Magic out-rebounded the Lakers in 3 of the 5 games and Bynum wasn't really a factor in the whole series.

Bigger factors were that the Magic guards played poorly except for Alston in Game 3. Hedo wasn't hitting 3's, and Kobe was going off scoring wise. Bringing back Nelson really screwed with the Magic's rhythm and they never recovered.

I definitely agree with this. Rafer, Lee, and Hedo, are no Jameer, Vince, and Barnes; so we'll see what happens this year. Anyways, that's not the point, our Guards played terrible for us during that series. Rashard and Dwight had to step up more than usual; and as much as I hate to say it, Jameer messed the flow up. He shouldn't have played that series, but it was worth a shot, anything was better than Rafer at that point.