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i.got.the.nutz
05-11-2010, 10:04 PM
If Lebron can't hit the mid-range jumpshot he was consistently hitting in the regular season, the Cavs have no chance. Boston is swarming every time Lebron drives in the lane and who does he have to kick it out to? Varejeo. This series is over.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:04 PM
I think before the series Cleveland believed they were better then Boston, but after Game 2 they started doubting themseleves.

Did you miss Game 3? :confused:

JNA17
05-11-2010, 10:04 PM
this is where lebron can't choke like this, you have to produce while your other teammates are not showing up or this happens.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:04 PM
The crowd is completely out of the game. So much for HCA.

They figured out that the Cavs were trying to showcase Mo as an all star and pumping up Andy like he is some great role player, even though both of them have done nothing when it has mattered.

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:05 PM
LBJ going to score 24 straight in the 4th Quarter.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:05 PM
My god... (Im a huge Rose fan btw whose not a Bulls fan), but move over Derrick because Rondo is officially the best PG in the east... because I said so.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:05 PM
Daniels was brought in to back up Rondo at PG. He's not a very good shooter. If anything, Finley may have taken over Eddie House's former role.

He was brought in to play Pierce's backup role as the point forward when House is in for Rondo, but he was so lacking in shooting ability and then got injured. When he came back, he also didn't play defense very well either, so he ended up getting no PT and Finley took all of his minutes by the end of the season.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:05 PM
LBJ going to score 24 straight in the 4th Quarter.

and still lose

NYK_kidd77
05-11-2010, 10:05 PM
I hate the stupid faces mike brown makes.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:05 PM
K they are playing soo unselfish. Only thing that can stop this is Rasheed

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:05 PM
Yo when they showed the Cleveland crowed it reminded me of the Orlando Series last year.

Mc Lovin
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
The Celtics cause major match up problems for Orlando too. Rondo vs. Nelson favors Boston heavily. KG vs. Rashard Lewis favors Boston. Pierce vs. Barnes favors Boston. Ray Allen vs. Vince Carter favors Boston and Kendrick Perkins gives Dwight Howard about as much trouble as any other defender in the league although that match up favors Orlando. Boston is a lot tougher than Orlando and should have put them away in 6 games last years playoffs but they blew a huge 4th quarter lead in game 6 with no KG throughout the entire series. I think Vince Carter replacing Hedo Turkoglu makes Orlando better vs. 90% of the league but, that was one match up that gave the Celtics problems last season. Hedo has always been a thorn in Boston's side and Vince Carter really never has been.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
My god... (Im a huge Rose fan btw whose not a Bulls fan), but move over Derrick because Rondo is officially the best PG in the east... because I said so.

He's BEEN for well over two seasons now. Rose was never as good in the first place other than as a shooter (but obviously is a top 10 PG), other than in the eyes of Bulls fans.

m26555
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
Enormous shot by Rondo.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
Rondo for 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sportfan
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
Ohhhh Ray Allen's shot is sooo sexual

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
and still lose

By 1 point.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:06 PM
Rondo for 3eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

thescore53
05-11-2010, 10:07 PM
how do you stop that

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:07 PM
He's BEEN for well over two seasons now. Rose was never as good in the first place, other than in the eyes of Bulls fans.

Well I thought Rose was a great scorer... I dunno about Rondo being the best PG in the east a few months ago but he is undisputed best right now

J4KOP99
05-11-2010, 10:07 PM
Very suprising. The celts have one last run in them I guess.

m26555
05-11-2010, 10:08 PM
lmao. Varejao literally throws down Rondo and then complains about the foul call.

29$JerZ
05-11-2010, 10:08 PM
Nothing is going right for Cleveland

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:08 PM
Who said the Cs were gonna get swept? Where you at Cavs fans?

Kakaroach
05-11-2010, 10:08 PM
20 point lead. Wow game 2 memories.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:08 PM
Pauly Pierce showed up today.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:08 PM
LeBron's going to have to go "Palace" on these guys for us to have any shot in the 4th qtr.

iggypop123
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
is mike brown's job on the line right now?

thescore53
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
pg's are taking this league over

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
WTF Anthony Parker.... no this better not start a momentum shift. Also Lebron... take note and drive if u even want to win.

Bulls_fan90
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
Ray Allen is still such a good player. What i'd give to have him on the Bulls.

iggypop123
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
Who said the Cs were gonna get swept? Where you at Cavs fans?

charles barkley?

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
Anthony Parker = Goat.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
Who said the Cs were gonna get swept? Where you at Cavs fans?

I said Cavs in 6.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
Well I thought Rose was a great scorer... I dunno about Rondo being the best PG in the east a few months ago but he is undisputed best right now

Rondo's biggest problem when it comes to being a scorer is that he's mentally too much of a pure point guard. He's unselfish to a fault, and tends to feel "wrong" when he is scoring instead of passing. He has so much untapped talent that its scary... I don't know if he'll ever reach it, but this year (and also in last year's Celtics-Bulls series where he owned Rose all series), he's shown a lot of that potential.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:09 PM
pg's are taking this league over

Nash, Deron and Rondo only.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:10 PM
is mike brown's job on the line right now?

Not at all.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:10 PM
Obviously Sheed misses.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:10 PM
Nash, Deron and Rondo only.

Paul is better than Rondo.

Mc Lovin
05-11-2010, 10:10 PM
He's BEEN for well over two seasons now. Rose was never as good in the first place other than as a shooter (but obviously is a top 10 PG), other than in the eyes of Bulls fans.

I agree. People that don't watch Rondo play all the time don't know how good he really is until the playoffs come along and then everyone says Rondo is great. Rondo has been doing this for the past 2 seasons. I remember people were saying last season that Jose Calderon, Devin Harris, Mo Williams, and Jameer Nelson were all better than Rajon Rondo and I used to just laugh.

tredigs
05-11-2010, 10:11 PM
Not at all.

He's the worst coach in the NBA, by a wide margin. If Lebron leaves this summer, and possibly even if he doesn't, he is axed. I can guarantee you that.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:12 PM
Paul is better than Rondo.

Not Chris Paul... no. But I was replying to the guy who said PGs are taking over the playoffs. Paul isn't playing. Deron >>> Paul.

thescore53
05-11-2010, 10:12 PM
if cavs lose this series, mike brown will be shown the door, and for the good always thought he was a horrible coach, he has nothing in his offensive playbook, he lets them do whatever

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:12 PM
I agree. People that don't watch Rondo play all the time don't know how good he really is until the playoffs come along and then everyone says Rondo is great. Rondo has been doing this for the past 2 seasons. I remember people were saying last season that Jose Calderon, Devin Harris, Mo Williams, and Jameer Nelson were all better than Rajon Rondo and I used to just laugh.

They're better shooters... but Rondo has improved his shot.

Bulls_fan90
05-11-2010, 10:12 PM
I agree. People that don't watch Rondo play all the time don't know how good he really is until the playoffs come along and then everyone says Rondo is great. Rondo has been doing this for the past 2 seasons. I remember people were saying last season that Jose Calderon, Devin Harris, Mo Williams, and Jameer Nelson were all better than Rajon Rondo and I used to just laugh.

Did the Celtics offer Rondo for Stuckey in the offseason??

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:13 PM
I thought D'Antoni was overrated... but its Mike Brown for sure.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:13 PM
if cavs lose this series, mike brown will be shown the door, and for the good always thought he was a horrible coach, he has nothing in his offensive playbook, he lets them do whatever

He should have been fired last year. It could end up costing them this year.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:13 PM
Did the Celtics offer Rondo for Stuckey in the offseason??

hahah yea they did. Ray Allen and Rondo for Prince and Stuckey. Not that bad a trade actually, but Rondo > All 3 players.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:13 PM
lol!

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:13 PM
Not Chris Paul... no. But I was replying to the guy who said PGs are taking over the playoffs. Paul isn't playing. Deron >>> Paul.

Mo Williams > Derron, Paul, Rondo,Rose Nash.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:14 PM
He's the worst coach in the NBA, by a wide margin. If Lebron leaves this summer, and possibly even if he doesn't, he is axed. I can guarantee you that.

We've won 60 games in back to back years. And the team has multiple years invested in him. He's not getting canned this summer even if LBJ were to leave.

You obviously don't watch very many games if you think he is "the worst coach in the NBA, by a wide margin". He is a very good NBA head coach.

J4KOP99
05-11-2010, 10:14 PM
How come almost every game in this series is a blow-out? Horrible to watch.

m26555
05-11-2010, 10:14 PM
16 points and 10 boards for Pierce.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:15 PM
We've won 60 games in back to back years. And the team has multiple years invested in him. He's not getting canned this summer even if LBJ were to leave.

You obviously don't watch very many games if you think he is "the worst coach in the NBA, by a wide margin". He is a very good NBA head coach.

People also said taht about Mike D... if u don't get wins then ur are not good. We shall see as time passes.

29$JerZ
05-11-2010, 10:15 PM
Rondo working the Cavs

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:15 PM
its become a 3 pt chuck fest.

m26555
05-11-2010, 10:15 PM
Nice move by Davis.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:16 PM
When Glen Davis beats u to the hole... thats sad. Jamison :facepalm:

Mc Lovin
05-11-2010, 10:16 PM
If you watched all the Celtics games over the past 2 seasons you would know how good Rondo really is and that he is the leader of this Boston Celtics team. This stuff that he's doing in the playoffs he's really been doing it for 2 years now. People who are not Celtics fans are just starting to realize how good he really is. Especially because he's breaking Bob Cousy's 50 year old Celtics franchise records. This kid is special.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:16 PM
How come almost every game in this series is a blow-out? Horrible to watch.

Because the Celtics have been Jekyll and Hyde all year. They either are the best team in the entire league or absolutely disgustingly bad. This season has been very frustrating for us C's fans to say the least.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:17 PM
I don't think the cavs could even score beat the Cs even if the Celtics don't score for the rest of the Q. I say its over soon.

Bulls_fan90
05-11-2010, 10:17 PM
hahah yea they did. Ray Allen and Rondo for Prince and Stuckey. Not that bad a trade actually, but Rondo > All 3 players.

I always thought that was a great trade for Detroit. As much as i hate Rondo i do respect him as a player. Way to **** up again Detroit.

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:17 PM
Are the cavs fans Booing LBJ how ****ing dare they.

Corey
05-11-2010, 10:17 PM
Rondo was never offered for Stuckey.

Rondo has been untouchable since we got him on draft day from the Suns (for the pick we got from the Cavs in the Jiri Welsch trade, coincidentally)

sp1derm00
05-11-2010, 10:17 PM
yah... they boo'd lebron on a missed FT. omfg.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:17 PM
People also said taht about Mike D... if u don't get wins then ur are not good. We shall see as time passes.

What? We have got wins. 60+ in back to back years. Just as D'Antoni did in Phoenix.

If you are talking about rings (not just wins)....Then I guess you think Jerry Sloan is not a good coach?

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:17 PM
We've won 60 games in back to back years. And the team has multiple years invested in him. He's not getting canned this summer even if LBJ were to leave.

You obviously don't watch very many games if you think he is "the worst coach in the NBA, by a wide margin". He is a very good NBA head coach.

No he isn't. I never seen him make adjustments in the playoffs when things are going bad, then the Cavs end up losing the series. He just puts the ball in Lebrons hands and lets him dictate the O, that doesn't work against a good team in the playoffs with a plan. It has been proven over the last 3 years, and might be true this year. He didn't even know what to do with Shaq or Jamison.

thescore53
05-11-2010, 10:17 PM
Nash, Deron and Rondo only.

evans, curry, jennings , paul, tony parker, rose, there's alot of really good point guards in this league and so much young one's with potential, like jrue holiday,jonny flynn, and our raptors are in trouble cause they'll get abused every game

tredigs
05-11-2010, 10:18 PM
We've won 60 games in back to back years. And the team has multiple years invested in him. He's not getting canned this summer even if LBJ were to leave.

You obviously don't watch very many games if you think he is "the worst coach in the NBA, by a wide margin". He is a very good NBA head coach.

You won 60 games because you have the best player in the league and he can take it for them on a night to night basis. But in the postseason, when it comes to match-ups and game planning over a 7 game series...? He doesn't know what to do. I watch as much basketball as you possibly can, and the fact that you think Mike Brown is a "very good NBA coach" is nothing short of laughable. You're a homer, and that's fine, but you're wrong.

Look at the lineups he throws out there, or the adjustments he makes, or the plays (lack of) that he draws up. It is nothing short of pathetic.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:18 PM
wow... I could seriously go out there right now and score 10 pts... with the wide open shots I would get.

B.JenningsMVP
05-11-2010, 10:18 PM
Wow...

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:18 PM
Hahaha Glen Davis Said " And 1 Boo me".

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:19 PM
Rondo was never offered for Stuckey.

Rondo has been untouchable since we got him on draft day from the Suns (for the pick we got from the Cavs in the Jiri Welsch trade, coincidentally)

I thought he came with KG from Minni? actually im pretty sure it was. Also it was rumoured on ESPN... but sources from the Pistons said the Pistons rejected it.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 10:19 PM
glen davis just owning

Mc Lovin
05-11-2010, 10:19 PM
Put Nate Robinson in for a couple and give Rajon Rondo a little break. Kid has been playing almost the entire game in every game since the playoffs started because when they take him out the C's start to fall apart. Right now they are up by enough to give this kid alittle breather.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:19 PM
What? We have got wins. 60+ in back to back years. Just as D'Antoni did in Phoenix.

If you are talking about rings (not just wins)....Then I guess you think Jerry Sloan is not a good coach?

Sloan has a system and get more out of average players than almost any coach in the NBA. If Brown didn't have Lebron,he probably would have no system at all. What O do the Cavs run?

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:19 PM
BTW that was not a crossover by Lebrick... that was a charge. The guy got knocked down.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:19 PM
Rondo was never offered for Stuckey.

Rondo has been untouchable since we got him on draft day from the Suns (for the pick we got from the Cavs in the Jiri Welsch trade, coincidentally)

Yeah, that was a bogus rumor offered up by the media in case the C's couldn't re-sign him long term.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:20 PM
Sloan has a system and get more out of average players than almost any coach in the NBA. If Brown didn't have Lebron,he probably would have no system at all. What O do the Cavs run?

An O[aw]-ful one... ha ha ... ha....

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:21 PM
I think LBJ elbows hurting.

Bulls_fan90
05-11-2010, 10:21 PM
I thought he came with KG from Minni? actually im pretty sure it was. Also it was rumoured on ESPN... but sources from the Pistons said the Pistons rejected it.

Nah the Celtics have had Rondo since he was drafted. But yeh i agree with you....im pretty sure Detroit said they rejected that trade. Not 100% sure tho

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:21 PM
Mike Brown thinks it is a good idea to feed Shaq with 9 min to go and down 24. lol...

jim51990
05-11-2010, 10:21 PM
BTW that was not a crossover by Lebrick... that was a charge. The guy got knocked down.

im a celtics fan so im happy brons having an off game but i bet the lebrick comments wernt there in game 3
i will never understand those who dont realizes how amazing lebron is

Corey
05-11-2010, 10:21 PM
Holy **** that last move was vintage KG.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:22 PM
evans, curry, jennings , paul, tony parker, rose, there's alot of really good point guards in this league and so much young one's with potential, like jrue holiday,jonny flynn, and our raptors are in trouble cause they'll get abused every game

I hate to say it but we shoulda drafted Jennings... and I still like Demar btw.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:22 PM
im a celtics fan so im happy brons having an off game but i bet the lebrick comments wernt there in game 3
i will never understand those who dont realizes how amazing lebron is

Its times like these where I get to laugh at the less unfortunate. Lebrick is certainly Bricking everything this game anyways.

ManRam
05-11-2010, 10:23 PM
holy ****. I leave for like an hour, and this happens.

Wow.

Indians, told you they can't win unless LeBron plays like LeBron.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:23 PM
I thought Jamison was a good player, what happened to him?

Slimsim
05-11-2010, 10:23 PM
Dam LBJ Not even looking to take over i'm starting to question if he's a max player. Joking So don't crucified me

m26555
05-11-2010, 10:23 PM
Holy **** that last move was vintage KG.
He's proving this series that he still has it. He's obviously not the same player he was two years ago, but he has plenty left in the tank.

Kakaroach
05-11-2010, 10:24 PM
Antwan Jamison's defense is horrid to watch.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:24 PM
im a celtics fan so im happy brons having an off game but i bet the lebrick comments wernt there in game 3
i will never understand those who dont realizes how amazing lebron is

Certainly is LeBrick today.

I'd take LeBron any day on my team. If only we had the cap room. :drool:

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:25 PM
sorry now I remember... Boston was willing to give up Rondo for KG... but Minni did not want him at all. Maybe it was dumb or maybe it was McHale wanting the Cs to keep this gem.

ManRam
05-11-2010, 10:25 PM
I missed most of this game. But I'm assuming he has been passive all game, like he was in the first quarter.

Never seen him this passive ever, let alone for three games.

So ****ing weird.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 10:25 PM
I thought Jamison was a good player, what happened to him?

Cleveland happened. Their was a debate if Jamison would translate well with the cavs and it sure as hell does not look like it right now.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:25 PM
No he isn't. I never seen him make adjustments in the playoffs when things are going bad, then the Cavs end up losing the series. He just puts the ball in Lebrons hands and lets him dictate the O, that doesn't work against a good team in the playoffs with a plan. It has been proven over the last 3 years, and might be true this year. He didn't even know what to do with Shaq or Jamison.
He is making adjustments, the players simply are not executing.

Are you watching these games? what do you mean he doesn't know what to do with Shaq? Shaq is not going to get 20/10 anymore. I think they have put Shaq into a position to be very effective & he has done so in the past few games.


You won 60 games because you have the best player in the league and he can take it for them on a night to night basis. But in the postseason, when it comes to match-ups and game planning over a 7 game series...? He doesn't know what to do. I watch as much basketball as you possibly can, and the fact that you think Mike Brown is a "very good NBA coach" is nothing short of laughable. You're a homer, and that's fine, but you're wrong.

Look at the lineups he throws out there, or the adjustments he makes, or the plays (lack of) that he draws up. It is nothing short of pathetic.
No team can win 60+ games two years in a row with the worst coach in the league, regardless of the talent. This is a coach's league.

I am not a homer at all. I am not saying he's the best coach in the NBA or anything crazy, but he is a very good coach. If he ever is relieved of his duties as Cavs coach (which will certainly not happen this summer, regardless of our F/A extravaganza) there will be no shortage of suitors vying for his services.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:25 PM
I hate Lebrick.. but he is teh best player in the league.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:26 PM
Wow, what a block by Shaq. He actually jumped!

Bulls_fan90
05-11-2010, 10:26 PM
I hate to say it but we shoulda drafted Jennings... and I still like Demar btw.

Wait a year and draft Brandon Knight...kid will be a superstar.

Mc Lovin
05-11-2010, 10:26 PM
That move KG just pulled over Jamison is exactly what he will do against Rashard Lewis if the Celtics end up playing the Magic. That's why I say the Celts are one huge match-up problem for the Orlando Magic. Even though the Magic are better this year than they were last year Hedo Turkoglu is the one guy who gave the Celtics match-up nightmares all the time. I see Boston beating Orlando pretty easily if they get by the Cavs. 6 games or less.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:26 PM
Wow Lebron... nice pass

Celts437
05-11-2010, 10:26 PM
I thought he came with KG from Minni? actually im pretty sure it was. Also it was rumoured on ESPN... but sources from the Pistons said the Pistons rejected it.

Rondo has been a Celtic his whole career besides draft night where we acquired him from the Phoenix Suns.

What ever rumor for trades your talking about was definitely a "Rumor". Why on earth would the Celtics even consider that trade?

Kakaroach
05-11-2010, 10:27 PM
Cleveland happened. Their was a debate if Jamison would translate well with the cavs and it sure as hell does not look like it right now. He does on the offensive side. But his defense is horrible.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:27 PM
Wait a year and draft Brandon Knight...kid will be a superstar.

I cant wait that long... but at least my other team the Rockets will be in the playoffs next year (i hope when they get Bosh.... sorry Bulls fans!)

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:28 PM
I cant wait that long... but at least my other team the Rockets will be in the playoffs next year (i hope when they get Bosh.... sorry Bulls fans!)

Getting Yao back won't hurt either.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:29 PM
Why are they not pressing?

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:29 PM
Getting Yao back won't hurt either.

Yea. For all you know we might get Lebron :):cool:

Celts437
05-11-2010, 10:29 PM
sorry now I remember... Boston was willing to give up Rondo for KG... but Minni did not want him at all. Maybe it was dumb or maybe it was McHale wanting the Cs to keep this gem.

Minnesota wanted Rondo and wasn't going to do the deal without him included. Danny Ainge said no way and Mchale ended up doing it anyhow.

Kakaroach
05-11-2010, 10:30 PM
Why are they not pressing? Cuz there is no way they can make up 20+ points in 6 minutes. Which is why the starters shouldn't be in the game at this point.

B.JenningsMVP
05-11-2010, 10:30 PM
Seems like déjà vu for the Cavs..

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:30 PM
Comeon Rondo.. Windmill that!

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:30 PM
He is making adjustments, the players simply are not executing.
Are you watching these games? what do you mean he doesn't know what to do with Shaq? Shaq is not going to get 20/10 anymore. I think they have put Shaq into a position to be very effective & he has done so in the past few games.


No team can win 60+ games two years in a row with the worst coach in the league, regardless of the talent. This is a coach's league.

I am not a homer at all. I am not saying he's the best coach in the NBA or anything crazy, but he is a very good coach. If he ever is relieved of his duties as Cavs coach (which will certainly not happen this summer, regardless of our F/A extravaganza) there will be no shortage of suitors vying for his services.


Like what? Not playing guys for 3 or 4 games and then when they start losing and he has no answer, he puts them in the game?

Corey
05-11-2010, 10:30 PM
sorry now I remember... Boston was willing to give up Rondo for KG... but Minni did not want him at all. Maybe it was dumb or maybe it was McHale wanting the Cs to keep this gem.

Whaaaa?

Minny and Seattle both demanded Rondo, but Ainge said he was offlimits. They got Telfair and West instead because Ainge stuck to his guns.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:31 PM
Minnesota wanted Rondo and wasn't going to do the deal without him included. Danny Ainge said no way and Mchale ended up doing it anyhow.

Danny Ainge isn't god... he didn't know Rondo would be this good. Also McHale helped his old team...

jdmd3
05-11-2010, 10:31 PM
I missed most of this game. But I'm assuming he has been passive all game, like he was in the first quarter.

Never seen him this passive ever, let alone for three games.

So ****ing weird.

Lebron's been taking a bunch jumpshots and missing a bunch

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:32 PM
Whaaaa?

Minny and Seattle both demanded Rondo, but Ainge said he was offlimits. They got Telfair and West instead because Ainge stuck to his guns.

Damn it... My memory is betraying me. But now I know FOR SURE: Rondo was drafted by Suns... given to Cs cuz of their owners love for keeping his cash and not wanting to waste money on picks. Minni wanted him, but Celtics said no. McHale didn't care as long as he was helping his old team. There!!!!!

ElMarroAfamado
05-11-2010, 10:33 PM
ahh way to go Cavs...it feels good that they are going to prove me right...once again...
all year since the beggining of the season to the beggining of the post-season...people were so sure to say the Cavs were a threat to win the title....i always said they were not
and guaranteed they would not even make the NBA Finals....

haha This is Great i cant wait to see people try to defend them
what will be the excuse made for lebron james
his team?
his elbow?
"he still is young and has time to win many cha,pionships"

what are they ?

NYK_kidd77
05-11-2010, 10:33 PM
Lebron just looked disinterested tonight.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:33 PM
Why are they not pressing?
NBA teams don't press unless there's limited time left. You can hardly ever trap a PG in the NBA because they are great passers & don't panic & allow opponents to corner them. This isn't HS. The only real reason to press is to slow the offensive team down from getting into their offensive sets. If anything, the Cavs need the C's to try & increase their tempo right now.


Yea. For all you know we might get Lebron :):cool:
Houston isn't far enough under the cap to offer him a max contract unless Yao opts out. And he's not going to Houston in a S&T.



Like what? Not playing guys for 3 or 4 games and then when they start losing and he has no answer, he puts them in the game?
That would be an adjustment, would it not?

When something does not work, you tweak it. That is what you just described.

You are proving my points for me.

tredigs
05-11-2010, 10:34 PM
He is making adjustments, the players simply are not executing.

Are you watching these games? what do you mean he doesn't know what to do with Shaq? Shaq is not going to get 20/10 anymore. I think they have put Shaq into a position to be very effective & he has done so in the past few games.


No team can win 60+ games two years in a row with the worst coach in the league, regardless of the talent. This is a coach's league.

I am not a homer at all. I am not saying he's the best coach in the NBA or anything crazy, but he is a very good coach. If he ever is relieved of his duties as Cavs coach (which will certainly not happen this summer, regardless of our F/A extravaganza) there will be no shortage of suitors vying for his services.

I admit that I was going purely off the eye test with Mike Brown and the Cavs assignments, and what he says in interviews, etc. for how I view him as a coach, but here's a VERY telling stat of his ineptitude as a coach.

http://www.82games.com/timeouts.htm

The Cavs rank dead last in the league in defensive execution following a timeout, and 26th of 30 in overall performance following timeouts. You can write this off as poor execution by the players if you want, but it's far more likely that it's poor delivery by the coach, which translates into poor execution. There's no reason why a team with the best record in the NBA should be among the worst in the league post timeout.

You're being an apologist for a coach that is widely considered among the very worst in the NBA. He doesn't deserve to coach Lebron, or any contender IMO.

ManRam
05-11-2010, 10:34 PM
Lebron's been taking a bunch jumpshots and missing a bunch

It just blows my mind. Especially if that's the case.

So un-like LeBron. It really is.

Something hasn't been right with him this series. I seriously haven't seen him play so passively and poorly in those three loses as I have in literally years. It really is ****ing with my head.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:34 PM
NBA teams don't press unless there's limited time left. You can hardly ever trap a PG in the NBA because they are great passers & don't panic & allow opponents to corner them. This isn't HS. The only real reason to press is to slow the offensive team down from getting into their offensive sets. If anything, the Cavs need the C's to try & increase their tempo right now.


Houston isn't far enough under the cap to offer him a max contract unless Yao opts out. And he's not going to Houston in a S&T.



That would be an adjustment, would it not?

When something does not work, you tweak it. That is what you just described.

You are proving my points for me.

Why not? Hes already the 2nd most popular in China behind Kobe... he could be #1 if he S&Ts to Houston

iggypop123
05-11-2010, 10:35 PM
Whaaaa?

Minny and Seattle both demanded Rondo, but Ainge said he was offlimits. They got Telfair and West instead because Ainge stuck to his guns.

*cough* Kevin Mchale

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:36 PM
i cant wait to see people try to defend them
what will be the excuse made for lebron james
his team?
his elbow?
"he still is young and has time to win many cha,pionships"

what are they ?

Why do we need to make excuses? :confused:

The Celtics played much better than us tonight. Any Cavs fan can see that & should be willing to admit it.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:36 PM
Im watching with 0 sound... are they booing Lebron?

iggypop123
05-11-2010, 10:37 PM
wtf do the cavailiers have a dj as their PA announcer?

*Superman*
05-11-2010, 10:37 PM
Not sure if I am ready to count the cavs out just yet. Hopefully Boston can end the series in game 6 though.

If not, cavs in 7

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:37 PM
Wow they should just bench their starters... this game is oVER!

Voodoo Alchemy
05-11-2010, 10:37 PM
i feel for lebron fans. wish i could will your team into the finals but guess not.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:37 PM
Danny Ainge isn't god... he didn't know Rondo would be this good. Also McHale helped his old team...

Dude Rondo was already pretty good BEFORE the additions of KG and Allen. He had all the talent you could ever ask for in a PG other than I guess Magic/LeBron type of size and power, but needed some refining. Pretty much all C's fans that watched him knew he'd be really good down the line. Maybe not "looking like a potential championship MVP if he keeps it up" good, but definitely All-Star caliber good.

Corey
05-11-2010, 10:38 PM
*cough* Kevin Mchale

...Got Al Jefferson, who has turned into quite a nice player.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:38 PM
NBA teams don't press unless there's limited time left. You can hardly ever trap a PG in the NBA because they are great passers & don't panic & allow opponents to corner them. This isn't HS. The only real reason to press is to slow the offensive team down from getting into their offensive sets. If anything, the Cavs need the C's to try & increase their tempo right now.


Houston isn't far enough under the cap to offer him a max contract unless Yao opts out. And he's not going to Houston in a S&T.



That would be an adjustment, would it not?
When something does not work, you tweak it. That is what you just described.

You are proving my points for me.

Nope, it is a panic move because he has no system and is hoping someone can get hot. An adjustment is changing the style of play, and the Cavs have been running this non system for 3 or 4 years, If Lebron can't do it, they lose, even after they got Mo, Shaq, and Jamison.

michelangelo
05-11-2010, 10:38 PM
Another brilliant move by Mike Brown.

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:38 PM
Dude Rondo was already pretty good BEFORE the additions of KG and Allen. He had all the talent you could ever ask for in a PG other than I guess Magic/LeBron type of size and power, but needed some refining. Pretty much all C's fans that watched him knew he'd be really good down the line. Maybe not "looking like a potential championship MVP if he keeps it up" good, but definitely All-Star caliber good.

Rondo is one of my faves now... but just no

JNA17
05-11-2010, 10:38 PM
the cavs intentional foul with 4:45 to go? cavs you lost deal with it :facepalm:

ManRam
05-11-2010, 10:38 PM
Im watching with 0 sound... are they booing Lebron?

Is that a joke? They never would.

NYtilIdie
05-11-2010, 10:38 PM
...Got Al Jefferson, who has turned into quite a nice player.

Turned into a blackhole according to T'Wolve fans

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:39 PM
...Got Al Jefferson, who has turned into quite a nice player.

and Gerald Green, who at the time was looking like a future stud starter or 6th man.

*Superman*
05-11-2010, 10:39 PM
It's funny how the crowd was booing Cleveland after the whole Joe Johnson thing. This one guy actually spit out a bunch of popcorn because he was yelling. Lol

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:39 PM
Is that a joke? They never would.
they did before according to the guys here

NYtilIdie
05-11-2010, 10:40 PM
Is that a joke? They never would.

Unless he leaves, then he'll get the Vince Carter treatment

m26555
05-11-2010, 10:40 PM
the cavs intentional foul with 4:45 to go? cavs you lost deal with it :facepalm:
Seriously..this is terrible. Just prolonging the inevitable.

michelangelo
05-11-2010, 10:43 PM
Good gawd, they're down 25...

Can't wait for Sir Charles to rip LeBron.

mfb_lt1birdman
05-11-2010, 10:44 PM
Have not watched the game. Just saw the score and am pretty shocked. Has Lebron just had an off night or his he obviously hurting?

ldc62
05-11-2010, 10:44 PM
Jamario Moon? flies for the pumpfake... never seen that before

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:44 PM
Pauly Pierce!

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 10:45 PM
Seriously. He can't be called King anymore. When Kobe was a beast with a terrible team people crapped on him for being selfish. With LeBron, he gets MVPs and called King. Enough already. To be King, you gotta win a title....at least one.

JNA17
05-11-2010, 10:45 PM
Good gawd, they're down 25...

Can't wait for Sir Charles to rip LeBron.

no charles will praise him, it's kenny smith that will do some of that.

AntiG
05-11-2010, 10:45 PM
Good gawd, they're down 25...

Can't wait for Sir Charles to rip LeBron.

He was TURRBLE! JUST TURRRBLE!

Teeboy1487
05-11-2010, 10:45 PM
Wow Cavs, just wow. I had no idea they were down this much.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:45 PM
wtf do the cavailiers have a dj as their PA announcer?
No. They have a typical PA announcer & a separate guy, named Ahmad, who announces the starting lineups & gets the crowd pumped up after all timeouts & breaks between quarters.


Nope, it is a panic move because he has no system and is hoping someone can get hot. An adjustment is changing the style of play, and the Cavs have been running this non system for 3 or 4 years,
No, it is an adjustment. An adjustment is a change. Not just specifically a change in style. Changing your style of play would be a panic move. You don't let opponents dictate your style. You have to stick by your guns, what got you to this point. We don't need to switch our style of play just because we lose a few games. There is no reason to change a successful operation. Obviously, we have not won a title. But we have been very successful. Not too many teams have won titles over the past decade or so. If we stick with our current system with this current group of players we will eventually get over the hump.

If you continuously change your system or coaching staff you will never be consistently competitive in any pro sport.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:45 PM
Have not watched the game. Just saw the score and am pretty shocked. Has Lebron just had an off night or his he obviously hurting?

It looked like he wasn't even trying and shot a bunch of Jump Shots.

m26555
05-11-2010, 10:45 PM
Have not watched the game. Just saw the score and am pretty shocked. Has Lebron just had an off night or his he obviously hurting?
He's just been very, very off. 3-for-14.

tjlipford
05-11-2010, 10:45 PM
Man this is terrible. MVP my ***. He played like a *****. At this point I dont care what he does.

Good game Celtics. Gotta respect them

NYK_kidd77
05-11-2010, 10:46 PM
Doc should sit his guys now lol.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:46 PM
no charles will praise him, it's kenny smith that will do some of that.

Not a chance of that happening tonight.

what54!?
05-11-2010, 10:47 PM
not over yet but lebron (hell the cavs) sucked tonight. That boston crowd is gonna be crazy

NYtilIdie
05-11-2010, 10:48 PM
Its time for a change of scenery for Lebron. The Cavs won't get any better then they are now; they've maxed out talent-wise. They still have their MLE, but Lebron couldn't even convince Ariza and Artest to join him in CLE so don't know how great his chance are in recruiting somebody.

I heard theres this little spot up East called "New York" supposedly its pretty popular around there and they have that "Times Square" area that everyone brags about and word is Lebron loves it there. Anyway I here they have a team called the "Knicks" yeah, so supposedly they have enough cap space for Lebron and a sidekick of his choosing (say Bosh or Amare). IDK that seems like a good scenario for Lebron, but I think Lebron would prefer a bigger market.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:48 PM
No. They have a typical PA announcer & a separate guy, named Ahmad, who announces the starting lineups & gets the crowd pumped up after all timeouts & breaks between quarters.


No, it is an adjustment. An adjustment is a change. Not just specifically a change in style. Changing your style of play would be a panic move. You don't let opponents dictate your style. You have to stick by your guns, what got you to this point. We don't need to switch our style of play just because we lose a few games. There is no reason to change a successful operation. Obviously, we have not won a title. But we have been very successful. Not too many teams have won titles over the past decade or so. If we stick with our current system with this current group of players we will eventually get over the hump.

If you continuously change your system or coaching staff you will never be consistently competitive in any pro sport.


You know what I mean, you are just trying to act like he is good at doing things like putting subs in the game.

You never answered the question when I asked what system Mike Brown runs or brought to the Cavs, but you say he is good at putting subs in the game.

tjlipford
05-11-2010, 10:48 PM
Have not watched the game. Just saw the score and am pretty shocked. Has Lebron just had an off night or his he obviously hurting?

Aint nothin wrong with his elbow. I dont want to even hear that, big players step up in big games. No excuses for this dude, no excuses.

GspLAL
05-11-2010, 10:48 PM
I see Cavs winning game 6.

NYMetros
05-11-2010, 10:48 PM
Give credit to the Celtics. They played swarming defense and made some tough outside shots that demoralized Cleveland. Ray Allen is amazing.

michelangelo
05-11-2010, 10:49 PM
Let's hope so. Boston "fans" were FLAT for game 3. With a bunch of empty seats everywhere. After a game 2 blowout in Cleveland. What's up wit dat?



not over yet but lebron (hell the cavs) sucked tonight. That boston crowd is gonna be crazy

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 10:50 PM
Boston and Orlando should be fun. They're gonna defense the crap out of each other to the point that either WC team will get to pick at the bones of what's left haha.

ManRam
05-11-2010, 10:50 PM
Over/Under

3 minutes before TheShowzOver creates his 194,283th user name, and posts a thread about how awesome he is?

I vote under.

Jahari Kavi
05-11-2010, 10:50 PM
Lebron just looked....wow............that is all.

tjlipford
05-11-2010, 10:50 PM
Its time for a change of scenery for Lebron. The Cavs won't get any better then they are now; they've maxed out talent-wise. They still have their MLE, but Lebron couldn't even convince Ariza and Artest to join him in CLE so don't know how great his chance are in recruiting somebody.

I heard theres this little spot up East called "New York" supposedly its pretty popular around there and they have that "Times Square" area that everyone brags about and word is Lebron loves it there. Anyway I here they have a team called the "Knicks" yeah, so supposedly they have enough cap space for Lebron and a sidekick of his choosing (say Bosh or Amare). IDK that seems like a good scenario for Lebron, but I think Lebron would prefer a bigger market.

After playing like this he could go to New York. The media there will kill him if he plays like this. He let the city down with this one

ManRam
05-11-2010, 10:51 PM
Edit: double post

NYMetros
05-11-2010, 10:51 PM
Boston and Orlando should be fun. They're gonna defense the crap out of each other to the point that either WC team will get to pick at the bones of what's left haha.

You're already assuming the Celtics win this series? They still need another W, let's not get ahead of ourselves. LeBron could go off like he did in game 3.

tjlipford
05-11-2010, 10:51 PM
Terrible, just terrible game. Embarassing

NYtilIdie
05-11-2010, 10:52 PM
After playing like this he could go to New York. The media there will kill him if he plays like this. He let the city down with this one

They treated Ewing like ****, lord knows what they'll do to Lebron.

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 10:52 PM
Lebron just looked....wow............that is all.

He doesn't have the fire that Jordan and Kobe had/have. They wanted to be the best, he wants to be the richest. I think he dominates when it's easy and when it's hard, he'll just coast. BTW, if somehow anyone hasn't heard, it was he who said his goal was to be the first athlete billionaire. Not the greatest player ever, the most rings, anything.....the first billionaire. When his body starts failing and his lack of skill becomes evident, I could easily see him taking a gigantic contract to play in Europe. You guys might think I'm crazy, but all he cares about is money, so why wouldn't he?

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:52 PM
You know what I mean, you are just trying to act like he is good at doing things like putting subs in the game.

You're just rambling now.

I never said anything about putting subs into the game. You brought up that he played a few guys tonight who hadn't played the past few games.

But even that is a big part of coaching. Having guys ready for every possible situation is a huge responsibility of the head coach.

Yanks All Day
05-11-2010, 10:53 PM
Although I have been on here many times stating that LeBron is a Cav for at least the next 5 years, I believe this series will force him to leave. This series has proven what I have said for a long time. Cleveland brought in all the right pieces in a versatile Jamison and a battle-proven Shaq to play big, but they still have the wrong point guard and the wrong coach for the job.

Mo Williams has to be the worst defensive point guard in the NBA. Mike Brown, to me, is like Joe Girardi of the Yankees. He is not paid to coach or get the most out of players. He has all the talent in the world. He is paid to not screw up. Where in the world is Hickson and why is he not guarding KG? Mo Williams has no business being on the same half of the court as Rondo and how is it no one can perform on HOME COURT?

LeBron has been one of the best teammates in the game. He also seems extremely loyal. But it HAS to test one's patience when your team (who had the best record in the league, again) can't hold home court. Not even that, they can't stay competitive on home court. 2 blowouts in ONE WEEK? That's unacceptable. I don't think LeBron wants to leave, but this team may actually force him to. Barring a miracle, I just feel like this is it.

For the record, this is taking nothing away from the C's. When healthy, they are the best team in the game. Bar none.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:53 PM
He doesn't have the fire that Jordan and Kobe had/have.

One bad game definitely proves that.

jimbobjarree
05-11-2010, 10:54 PM
haha just tuned in. Wow, Cavs suck

Jahari Kavi
05-11-2010, 10:54 PM
that was tmac-esque Bron Bron.....that was just...wow.....I didn't expect to see that....like...did anyone????

NYtilIdie
05-11-2010, 10:55 PM
Yeah, so I guess we'll get a Finals rematch this year.

michelangelo
05-11-2010, 10:55 PM
What??? LeBron quit???? Banish the thought!


I don't think LeBron wants to leave, but this team may actually force him to. Barring a miracle, I just feel like this is it.

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 10:55 PM
one bad game definitely proves that.

You sure it's only one?

ManRam
05-11-2010, 10:55 PM
One bad game definitely proves that.

Hahaha. Seriously. And the fire he has always displayed in the past playoffs means nothing now.


I really hoped the C's wouldn't win this series because all the stupid LeBron haters are going to come out of the wood-work and start saying all these ridiculous things. It's crazy. There've already been like 10 threads on him. There is nothing people love to do more than hate LeBron.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 10:55 PM
You're just rambling now.

I never said anything about putting subs into the game. You brought up that he played a few guys tonight who hadn't played the past few games.

But even that is a big part of coaching. Having guys ready for every possible situation is a huge responsibility of the head coach.

What system does Mike Brown run? And his guys were not ready.

tjlipford
05-11-2010, 10:56 PM
They treated Ewing like ****, lord knows what they'll do to Lebron.

Lebron is just a ***** flat out

ecorrea
05-11-2010, 10:56 PM
mike brown is a bumb, his in game interviews are so lame

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 10:57 PM
Where in the world is Hickson and why is he not guarding KG? Mo Williams has no business being on the same half of the court as Rondo

Hickson could not defend KG at all when he briefly guarded him in the previous few games of this series. But I do believe he should have been in there over Z matched up against Big Baby.

Mo Williams was not guarding Rondo.

And he is one of the main reasons that Ray Allen had a big game tonight.

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 10:57 PM
PSD internet nerds can you guys hook me up with Lebrons WINS SHARES and PER and OFFENSIVE RATING and DEFENSIVE RATING??? Thank you!!

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 10:58 PM
Hahaha. Seriously. And the fire he has always displayed in the past playoffs means nothing now.


I really hoped the C's wouldn't win this series because all the stupid LeBron haters are going to come out of the wood-work and start saying all these ridiculous things. It's crazy. There've already been like 10 threads on him. There is nothing people love to do more than hate LeBron.

Why? Because he's the most overhyped player of all time. The dude sucks outside of about 5 feet on offense and he's awful on defense. He gets away with a TON of goaltends that look cool. Yeah, he can score, pass and rebound. Most guys his size and speed can.....especially when they get to barrel down the lane and plow people and it be a foul on the DEFENSE.

I'd quit hating if I actually saw improvement as in shooting, offensive skills and defense. He's improved none. He's just gotten bigger, stronger and faster. When those fade, he better have already started working on his jumper.

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 10:59 PM
PSD internet nerds can you guys hook me up with Lebrons WINS SHARES and PER and OFFENSIVE RATING and DEFENSIVE RATING??? Thank you!!

You talking about the playoffs when it matters or not?

tjlipford
05-11-2010, 10:59 PM
What system does Mike Brown run? And his guys were not ready.

I agree with u its clear that if u know basketball that Mike Brown does not have a system. Our offense is give Lebron the ball and spread the court in a 1-4 set. No ball movement, no nothing just open gym basketball.

The problem is its the playoffs and in the playoffs u cant win like that. Its not the REGULAR season.

Yanks All Day
05-11-2010, 10:59 PM
Why? Because he's the most overhyped player of all time. The dude sucks outside of about 5 feet on offense and he's awful on defense. He gets away with a TON of goaltends that look cool. Yeah, he can score, pass and rebound. Most guys his size and speed can.....especially when they get to barrel down the lane and plow people and it be a foul on the DEFENSE.

I'd quit hating if I actually saw improvement as in shooting, offensive skills and defense. He's improved none. He's just gotten bigger, stronger and faster. When those fade, he better have already started working on his jumper.

No, that whole post was just wrong.

Jahari Kavi
05-11-2010, 11:00 PM
Why? Because he's the most overhyped player of all time. The dude sucks outside of about 5 feet on offense and he's awful on defense. He gets away with a TON of goaltends that look cool. Yeah, he can score, pass and rebound. Most guys his size and speed can.....especially when they get to barrel down the lane and plow people and it be a foul on the DEFENSE.

I'd quit hating if I actually saw improvement as in shooting, offensive skills and defense. He's improved none. He's just gotten bigger, stronger and faster. When those fade, he better have already started working on his jumper.

:facepalm:

NYMetros
05-11-2010, 11:00 PM
PSD internet nerds can you guys hook me up with Lebrons WINS SHARES and PER and OFFENSIVE RATING and DEFENSIVE RATING??? Thank you!!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Scroll to the orange box that says "Advanced" and there you go.

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 11:01 PM
No, that whole post was just wrong.

You care to prove me wrong or just say it? Show me a consistent outside game, great offensive moves (outside of running like a freight train) and him consistently staying in front of his man.

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 11:01 PM
You talking about the playoffs when it matters or not?

Im talking about the ones that say he's the best and are gonna help the Cavs win the ship....im talking about those.....you know the ones we've read about all year.

RocketsRule
05-11-2010, 11:01 PM
Why? Because he's the most overhyped player of all time. The dude sucks outside of about 5 feet on offense and he's awful on defense. He gets away with a TON of goaltends that look cool. Yeah, he can score, pass and rebound. Most guys his size and speed can.....especially when they get to barrel down the lane and plow people and it be a foul on the DEFENSE.

I'd quit hating if I actually saw improvement as in shooting, offensive skills and defense. He's improved none. He's just gotten bigger, stronger and faster. When those fade, he better have already started working on his jumper.

Seriously?

I'm beginning to think that this is the first game you have ever seen Lebron play.

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 11:02 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Scroll to the orangle box that says "Advanced" and there you go.

Thank YOU!!

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 11:02 PM
Im talking about the ones that say he's the best and are gonna help the Cavs win the ship....im talking about those.....you know the ones we've read about all year.

All year doesn't matter. He's been less than stellar in the playoffs and that's when the "ship" is won.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 11:03 PM
What system does Mike Brown run? And his guys were not ready.

I don't know why you keep asking this. You said that you watch the games.

They run their offense through LeBron on the wing & Shaq in the post. Early in each half we try to establish the post & run the offense through Shaq. Shaq plays limited minutes. The Cavs run the offense through LeBron the rest of the game. On the break they try to get him the ball & let him make plays. He is great at finishing on the break, drawing fouls, finding cutters & open shooters. The other guys on this team are role players. I am not sure what else you want me to say. We don't run the triangle or the D'Antoni's 7 seconds or less offense. Just because our offense doesn't have a catchy name doesn't mean that we don't have a system. You know this, just as well as I do.

lakersrock
05-11-2010, 11:03 PM
I'm getting outta here. I'm not getting in trouble when somebody blows up because they disagree about LeBron not being able to shoot or stay in front of his man. Later...

Akshay
05-11-2010, 11:04 PM
Unless LeBron can give a game 3-like performance. He'll be on the first flight to NYC.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 11:05 PM
Yeah, he can score, pass and rebound.

Aren't those the main factors in the sport of basketball?

NYtilIdie
05-11-2010, 11:05 PM
Why? Because he's the most overhyped player of all time. The dude sucks outside of about 5 feet on offense and he's awful on defense. He gets away with a TON of goaltends that look cool. Yeah, he can score, pass and rebound. Most guys his size and speed can.....especially when they get to barrel down the lane and plow people and it be a foul on the DEFENSE.

I'd quit hating if I actually saw improvement as in shooting, offensive skills and defense. He's improved none. He's just gotten bigger, stronger and faster. When those fade, he better have already started working on his jumper.

Yeah, aside from shooting %50 this year, improving his post game, improving his jump shot, improving his on-ball defense, and his defensive post game, and winning some dumb-*** MVP award!

What the hell has he improved?

michelangelo
05-11-2010, 11:06 PM
Man, Sir Charles is being very gentle with LeBron.

He's questioning his "mentality" and his "heart" in the "biggest game of his career."

Translation: LeBron choked.

Akshay
05-11-2010, 11:06 PM
If only Charles called the game itself.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 11:08 PM
If only Charles called the game itself.

Spare us.

He is in the perfect role. I love him on Inside the NBA. but he already fumbles when trying to put together a few sentences. He'd be the worst play-by-play announcer in sports history.

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 11:08 PM
I don't know why you keep asking this. You said that you watch the games.

They run their offense through LeBron on the wing & Shaq in the post. Early in each half we try to establish the post & run the offense through Shaq. Shaq plays limited minutes. The Cavs run the offense through LeBron the rest of the game. On the break they try to get him the ball & let him make plays. He is great at finishing on the break, drawing fouls, finding cutters & open shooters. The other guys on this team are role players. I am not sure what else you want me to say. We don't run the triangle or the D'Antoni's 7 seconds or less offense. Just because our offense doesn't have a catchy name doesn't mean that we don't have a system. You know this, just as well as I do.

So, I was right,it is Lebron do what you do, if you don't, we will lose.

Akshay
05-11-2010, 11:10 PM
Spare us.

He is in the perfect role. I love him on Inside the NBA. but he already fumbles when trying to put together a few sentences. He'd be the worst play-by-play announcer in sports history.

I remember when he called the Bulls/Heat game earlier this season, the heat were winning by 30 and Charles was like "i'm missing CSI Miami, for this." lol ...he's good in blowout and meaningless games. Not the playoffs or anything like that.

This box, this box, it rocks, it rocks.

evadatam5150
05-11-2010, 11:10 PM
Aint nothin wrong with his elbow. I dont want to even hear that, big players step up in big games. No excuses for this dude, no excuses.

Dude I'm feeling your honesty.. Not making excuses and giving props to the other team.. Good fan, one of the best and most honest Cavs fan I've seen in here... Props.. :clap::clap:

tredigs
05-11-2010, 11:12 PM
This game was a meltdown of epic proportions for Cleveland. I know he didn't get any help, and they wouldn't have won regardless, but Lebron's legacy will indeed take a huge hit if he doesn't come back VERY STRONG in the next game and lead the Cavs to victory. The greats don't roll over and just not show up during huge games like this, doesn't happen.

In other news, every single Celtic was absolutely amazing tonight, and their collectively imposed will just dominated the Cavs. And again, Mike Brown sucks... if they don't pull this out then the two faces of this franchise are leaving Cleveland for good.

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 11:14 PM
This game was a meltdown of epic proportions for Cleveland. I know he didn't get any help, and they wouldn't have won regardless, but Lebron's legacy will indeed take a huge hit if he doesn't come back VERY STRONG in the next game and lead the Cavs to victory. The greats don't roll over and just not show up during huge games like this, doesn't happen.

In other news, every single Celtic was absolutely amazing tonight, and their collectively imposed will just demoralized the Cavs. And again, Mike Brown sucks... if they don't pull this out then the two faces of this franchise are leaving Cleveland for good.

:facepalm:

No HELP?? Shaq had a better game than him! Shaq looked like the star out there for the Cavs he was the one who showed the heart of a champion out there.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 11:15 PM
So, I was right,it is Lebron do what you do, if you don't, we will lose.
Every team typically loses when their best player does not play well.

Do you have any more common knowledge that you'd like to share with the PSD community?

tjlipford
05-11-2010, 11:15 PM
Dude I'm feeling your honesty.. Not making excuses and giving props to the other team.. Good fan, one of the best and most honest Cavs fan I've seen in here... Props.. :clap::clap:

Every player is hurt somewhere at this point in the season. So I dont want to here about his elbow. Its apparent of the flaws of our team, and Boston is exposing every single one of them. I just call it like it is thats all

ElMarroAfamado
05-11-2010, 11:16 PM
Why? Because he's the most overhyped player of all time. The dude sucks outside of about 5 feet on offense and he's awful on defense. He gets away with a TON of goaltends that look cool. Yeah, he can score, pass and rebound. Most guys his size and speed can.....especially when they get to barrel down the lane and plow people and it be a foul on the DEFENSE.

I'd quit hating if I actually saw improvement as in shooting, offensive skills and defense. He's improved none. He's just gotten bigger, stronger and faster. When those fade, he better have already started working on his jumper.

wow that sounds like something id type
and it makes 100% sense

:cool:

Jonathan2323
05-11-2010, 11:16 PM
:speechless: I didn't see a blowout win for the Celtics tonight. I thought they would win, but not like that.

NYMetros
05-11-2010, 11:16 PM
Why? Because he's the most overhyped player of all time. The dude sucks outside of about 5 feet on offense and he's awful on defense. He gets away with a TON of goaltends that look cool. Yeah, he can score, pass and rebound. Most guys his size and speed can.....especially when they get to barrel down the lane and plow people and it be a foul on the DEFENSE.

I'd quit hating if I actually saw improvement as in shooting, offensive skills and defense. He's improved none. He's just gotten bigger, stronger and faster. When those fade, he better have already started working on his jumper.

The goal of basketball, on offense at least, is to put the ball in the basket. LeBron did that better than any other player during the regular season, whether it be by making 3's, dunks in transition, drawing double teams and passing to wide open shooters, penetrating and drawing fouls...whatever. LeBron did it better than anyone else. Other players obviously have a better offensive skill set than LeBron. Kobe comes to mind first. Basketball isn't about how big your offensive arsenal is though: it's about getting the ball in the hoop. I really could care less about THE WAY LeBron scores so long as he does, and does it efficiently.

How can you hate on a guy that dominates the way LeBron does? Does KD not get the benefit of the whistle from refs? What about Wade? Kobe? Melo? It's part of being a superstar. You get the benefit of the doubt from the officials.

tjlipford
05-11-2010, 11:19 PM
No point in making excuses for Lebron or the Cavs. I mean come on the whole world is watching this *** whoopin. People really wonder why Cleveland is looked down on.

iggypop123
05-11-2010, 11:20 PM
Spare us.

He is in the perfect role. I love him on Inside the NBA. but he already fumbles when trying to put together a few sentences. He'd be the worst play-by-play announcer in sports history.

it was pretty funny to hear him in the blowout. eating pizza, talking about the role of duct tape and black homes.

evadatam5150
05-11-2010, 11:20 PM
For the record, this is taking nothing away from the C's. When healthy, they are the best team in the game. Bar none.

Emmmmmmm no... !! :facepalm:

I'll give em credit for manning up and playing tough but there's no way they're the best team playing basketball right now healthy or not.. I just don't buy that for a second..

974life
05-11-2010, 11:22 PM
Wow, Where the hell was lebron tonight. Is this series Over???

Yanks All Day
05-11-2010, 11:24 PM
Emmmmmmm no... !! :facepalm:

I'll give em credit for manning up and playing tough but there's no way they're the best team playing basketball right now healthy or not.. I just don't buy that for a second..

So when Rondo is playing like he has (Top 3 PG), KG is hitting shots from inside and out, Ray Allen is plain filthy from 3, and Pierce hits all the big shots, along with Perk and Davis playing tough basketball down low, there is a team that can honestly say they are that deep and balanced? Not the Cavs, certainly. Maybe Orlando (doubtful). Probably not the Lakers.

still1ballin
05-11-2010, 11:24 PM
:)

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 11:25 PM
IDK all I gotta ask is what happened to everyone saying Lebron didn't have to be good when it came down to close games etc...... cause according to you guys Lebron didn't need the 4th qtr cause his teams BLEW OUT TEAMs and ARE ALWAYS UP by 15 wasn't that what you guys said?

tredigs
05-11-2010, 11:29 PM
:facepalm:

No HELP?? Shaq had a better game than him! Shaq looked like the star out there for the Cavs he was the one who showed the heart of a champion out there.

Since Indian deleted my last post for "flaming" you; What I said was that it's a stretch to even call Shaq the best player tonight when he was sitting there as the recipient of 5 or 6 direct pass to dunks with nobody on him. He didn't exactly create his own shot, or create for others. And where were Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, etc? Lebron had a poor game, and I am not being an apologist for the guy, that's on him to step up. But, when he has a poor game, there is exactly zero other players on the floor there to step up for him. A stark contrast from a team like LA who has guys like Pau, Odom, Bynum there to step up and take the reigns on offense for stretches if need be.

Bottom line is that you are a troll, and come off as a clown in your posts/rebuttals. Take a down a notch and there might be a person out there who respects your opinion.

fresh prince
05-11-2010, 11:30 PM
PSD internet nerds can you guys hook me up with Lebrons WINS SHARES and PER and OFFENSIVE RATING and DEFENSIVE RATING??? Thank you!!

Hahhahaa.... Good ****

NYtilIdie
05-11-2010, 11:35 PM
Big ups to Lebron for not using his elbow as an excuse and giving props to Bostone. The reporter asked him if his elbow was flaring up or something and Lebron said "No, but the defense had something to do with it, they were out there"

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 11:37 PM
Since Indian deleted my last post for "flaming" you; What I said was that it's a stretch to even call Shaq the best player tonight when he was sitting there as the recipient of 5 or 6 direct pass to dunks with nobody on him. He didn't exactly create his own shot, or create for others. And where were Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, etc? Lebron had a poor game, and I am not being an apologist for the guy, that's on him to step up. But, when he has a poor game, there is exactly zero other players on the floor there to step up for him. A stark contrast from a team like LA who has guys like Pau, Odom, Bynum there to step up and take the reigns on offense for stretches if need be.
Bottom line is that you are a troll, and come off as a clown in your posts/rebuttals. Take a down a notch and there might be a person out there who respects your opinion.


All year LONG you argued the Cavs were the better team man now your just contradicting yourself....:facepalm:

:laugh: :laugh2:


Here come the excuses!!

Switch
05-11-2010, 11:38 PM
Looks like its either Boston or Orlando in the finals. I really wanted Cavs - Lakers, that would have been a good series to watch.

zsiddiqui23
05-11-2010, 11:39 PM
to anyone that was watching the press conference..was it just me or was lebron reading off the counter the entire time. seems like he knew the questions beforehand lol..

tredigs
05-11-2010, 11:40 PM
:laugh: :laugh2:


Here come the excuses!!

Haha, alright then. Being that I'm not a fan of Cleveland I could care less if you think they're "excuses" or not. Good luck on the whole 'living vicariously through your idol' thing. Hope that works out for ya, kid.


to anyone that was watching the press conference..was it just me or was lebron reading off the counter the entire time. seems like he knew the questions beforehand lol..

Totally. And David Stern is fixing this series so that it will be a Cleveland/Lakers final. Then they're going cruise the world together on flying pirate ships and continue their world domination.


...or maybe he was just looking down and thinking, like most people do after ****** losses. One of the two, f'sure.

michelangelo
05-11-2010, 11:40 PM
LeBron is in a weird headspace right now.

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 11:42 PM
Haha, alright then. Being that I'm not a fan of Cleveland I could care less if you think they're "excuses" or not. Good luck on the whole 'living vicariously through your idol' thing. Hope that works out for ya, kid.

:laugh:

Hey bring out the win shares and PER again like you did yesterday yeah they sure tell the whole story about a player and a team right? :rolleyes:

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-11-2010, 11:44 PM
He had a poor game. All the greats do. Its not the end of the world. I expect him to come out and drop 40 with close to a triple double next game.

Celtics played amazing tonight. Really impressed me

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 11:46 PM
He had a poor game. All the greats do. Its not the end of the world. I expect him to come out and drop 40 with close to a triple double next game.

Celtics played amazing tonight. Really impressed me

Yeah that was a great perfomance biggest thing was Pierce finally got going somewhat.....althogh they all played great.

IndiansFan337
05-11-2010, 11:47 PM
he was sitting there as the recipient of 5 or 6 direct pass to dunks with nobody on him. He didn't exactly create his own shot, or create for others.

That's what his role is. He's not a ballhandler or slasher.

tredigs
05-11-2010, 11:47 PM
:laugh:

Hey bring out the win shares and PER again like you did yesterday yeah they sure tell the whole story about a player and a team right? :rolleyes:

Laughing emoticons are fun. I remember 5th grade.


That's what his role is. He's not a ballhandler or slasher.

I understand this. Doesn't mean he was the best player on the floor for them. He was just the benefactor of easy put ins. My point is that he didn't play some great game imo.

still1ballin
05-11-2010, 11:48 PM
He had a poor game. All the greats do. Its not the end of the world. I expect him to come out and drop 40 with close to a triple double next game.

Celtics played amazing tonight. Really impressed me

I like your sig. I hope soon Kobe will be able to lift up that thumb.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-11-2010, 11:48 PM
Haha, alright then. Being that I'm not a fan of Cleveland I could care less if you think they're "excuses" or not. Good luck on the whole 'living vicariously through your idol' thing. Hope that works out for ya, kid.



Totally. And David Stern is fixing this series so that it will be a Cleveland/Lakers final. Then they're going cruise the world together on flying pirate ships and continue their world domination.


...or maybe he was just looking down and thinking, like most people do after ****** losses. One of the two, f'sure.

They definitely do not tell the whole story. But that does not mean they are worthless. Lebron is a great player. But ever since I seen him biting his nails down to his knuckles, looking so nervous with his right leg twitching in tight games. I thought his team would never win because their leader looked so scared. He has cut that down since his first couple of years in the league. So I dont know if that's still a problem. But leadership and instilling the will to win in your team are not measured in stats.

DCB/LAL
05-11-2010, 11:50 PM
Laughing emoticons are fun. I remember 5th grade.

I bet you do.

DODGERS&LAKERS
05-11-2010, 11:50 PM
I like your sig. I hope soon Kobe will be able to lift up that thumb.

And in two years maybe he could use those 4 fingers and these too :up:

michelangelo
05-11-2010, 11:52 PM
Bron Bron choked again. What's new?

I told y'all he's Scottie Pippen.

He'll put up gargantuan numbers like Elvin Hayes and Karl Malone, but he'll never be known as a great clutch player.


They definitely do not tell the whole story. But that does not mean they are worthless. Lebron is a great player. But ever since I seen him biting his nails down to his knuckles, looking so nervous with his right leg twitching in tight games. I thought his team would never win because their leader looked so scared. He has cut that down since his first couple of years in the league. So I dont know if that's still a problem. But leadership and instilling the will to win in your team are not measure in stats.

evadatam5150
05-11-2010, 11:53 PM
So when Rondo is playing like he has (Top 3 PG), KG is hitting shots from inside and out, Ray Allen is plain filthy from 3, and Pierce hits all the big shots, along with Perk and Davis playing tough basketball down low, there is a team that can honestly say they are that deep and balanced? Not the Cavs, certainly. Maybe Orlando (doubtful). Probably not the Lakers.

One game..?? Wasn't it Boston who got blown out 124 - 95 in game three..?? Boston's playing tough but you have to equate into this game tonight that the Cavs just seemed to quit.. Not taking away anything from the Celtics at all but it's just 1 game.. Your argument doesn't hold water in the bigger scope of things.. The good thing is we're getting to the point where we will find out which team is the best and all these arguments will become mute..

For the record I never said the Lakers were the best either.. I certainly hope they'll be a factor but they're extremely inconsistent much like the Celtics..

Gibby23
05-11-2010, 11:53 PM
Every team typically loses when their best player does not play well.

Do you have any more common knowledge that you'd like to share with the PSD community?

Yup,Mike Brown doesn't have a clue and hasn't learned from last year. Got some new players in Jamison and Shaq and couldn't really put them in position to suceed, those 2 played better with their previous teams.

Jahari Kavi
05-11-2010, 11:56 PM
Bron Bron choked again. What's new?

I told y'all he's Scottie Pippen.

He'll put up gargantuan numbers like Elvin Hayes and Karl Malone, but he'll never be known as a great clutch player.

I admit that Lebron "nutted up" tonight, but let's not have amnesia and act like the guy has never played great in the post season......smh....

zsiddiqui23
05-12-2010, 12:01 AM
Totally. And David Stern is fixing this series so that it will be a Cleveland/Lakers final. Then they're going cruise the world together on flying pirate ships and continue their world domination.


...or maybe he was just looking down and thinking, like most people do after ****** losses. One of the two, f'sure.

Haha I'm guessing you didnt watch the press conference then? I have absolutely nothing against LeBron, it just seemed super sketchy. He would pause and literally read the counter as if he knew the questions beforehand.

michelangelo
05-12-2010, 12:07 AM
You're taking the abuse well. :)

I fully expect BB to come back with a strong effort in game 6. Problem is, you don't back down on your home floor after you publicly mouth off about stopping a pivotal player on the opposing squad.

It's like some bizarre form of mass delusion has set in where his fans are incapable of recognizing that LeBron is capable of foul ups, or in this case, of coming across like a gigantic knucklehead. BB is a tremendously talented athlete from a physical standpoint, but he is not that bright, and he is not that courageous, and he is not that committed to winning.

He's a spoiled prima donna, don't let the fact that he's gifted blind you to that.


I admit that Lebron "nutted up" tonight, but let's not have amnesia and act like the guy has never played great in the post season......smh....

Raph12
05-12-2010, 12:09 AM
Big game, I can see this go either way... Celts win a close one.

So I was wrong about it being close, but I was right about the outcome... I think the Celts take it in Game 6.

michelangelo
05-12-2010, 12:10 AM
btw, even the hometown fans punked LeBron. The Cavs have never won anything. And they boo'ed the player with the best chance of bringing them a ring.

That right there tells you he stunk it up. It makes it hard for LeBron to return under those circumstances.

JiffyMix88
05-12-2010, 12:14 AM
where is the king 23 guy at and all his dumbass comments?

still1ballin
05-12-2010, 12:15 AM
where is the king 23 guy at and all his dumbass comments?

In the bathroom crying

ko8e24
05-12-2010, 12:20 AM
where is the king 23 guy at and all his dumbass comments?

Hopefully, he's left PSD for good! :laugh2: