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D Roses Bulls
05-10-2010, 07:07 PM
Henry Abbott, TrueHoop

1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
It's not fair. It's hard to imagine what he could have done better, but with how many different big-budget teammates, and with how many different coaches, will this man lead teams that shock with playoff underperformance?

Even when Dallas made it to the Finals -- a high point for most teams -- Nowitzki's team somehow managed to lose four straight to squander a 2-0 lead and become a tale of sadness. Dallas has now also lost in the opening round as the West's first (2007) and second (2010) seeds. Whether that says something about Nowitzki's game, leadership or fortunes, I don't know, but it's hard not to think these losses could come to define him.

2. Brandon Roy, Portland
He rushed back from knee surgery to help his Trail Blazers for the final three games of the season, and may have helped to hasten their demise. In three gimpy games, Roy was literally one of the least productive players in the entire playoffs (player efficiency rating: 4.5). You can't blame him for trying, but you can admit that he was playing with a remarkable absence of athleticism.

A lot of Blazers fans wondered why players like Jerryd Bayless, Dante Cunningham and Martell Webster were in the game, and the answer was because in a world in which Portland coach Nate McMillan had to count on older players like Juwan Howard, Marcus Camby and Andre Miller, those youngsters -- and not Roy -- provided much-needed bounce, hustle and energy. Roy's fruitless 4-of-16 play in Portland's season-ending Game 6 will haunt all summer.

3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio
The Phoenix Suns don't have an Achilles' heel. They have an Achilles' half-acre.

With Robin Lopez out, it's fair to ask if there has ever been a playoff team so unprepared to stop a quality big man in the paint. The Suns are terrible when Jarron Collins is on the floor, and Channing Frye and Amare Stoudemire play mainly for their offense. So with one of the most favorable matchups any NBA star has faced in the playoffs, Duncan should have been dominating.

Instead he was merely solid on offense, and a liability on defense. (Compare Duncan's offense to, say, the Hawks' Al Horford, who is playing against the defensive player of the year, and one of the NBA's best defenses. Horford has a much better true shooting percentage and a better rebound rate to go with lower usage and turnover rates.)

In Duncan's 12th postseason, he slipped badly. Steve Nash made layup after layup, and the vast majority of the time -- because of injury, age or something -- Duncan didn't even have the wherewithal to jump, let alone block the shot. Although Duncan did manage to briefly slow Nash with an inadvertent elbow to the eye in Game 4, Duncan's defensive shortcomings proved a key factor in one of the NBA's best teams bowing out in a second-round sweep instead of vying for a title.

Adande

J.A. Adande, ESPN.com

1. Joe Johnson, Atlanta
"The postseason is when players are made in this league. ... The best players step up."

Who said that? Joe Johnson, before the playoffs started. Who hasn't stepped up? Joe Johnson, the further the playoffs have gone. So far he's shooting 29 percent and averaging 12.3 points per game in the second round.

He was supposed to be a non-LeBron Plan B in free agency this summer. After this performance, why would anyone plan to spend big money on him?

2. Rasheed Wallace, Boston
Any hopes that he'd snap out of his lethargy once the playoffs arrived were quickly snuffed. It's as if he forgot the NBA has series, not single events like a college bowl game. All three of his 3-pointers and 17 of his 42 postseason points came in Game 2 of the Cleveland series.

The Celtics need to scrap to survive against the Cavaliers, and it's almost like Wallace isn't part of the fight.

3. Jason Kidd, Dallas
His points, assists and field goal shooting numbers all dropped from the regular season. When the Mavericks were in desperate need of someone to lead them in the right direction, he couldn't do it.

Arnovitz

Kevin Arnovitz, TrueHoop

1. Shawn Marion, Dallas
Marion voiced his displeasure with Rick Carlisle's willingness to bench him for long stretches during the Mavs' first-round debacle against the Spurs. "How can I be effective being pulled in and out like a rag doll?" Marion asked. Visit your local FAO Schwartz and you're bound to find a rag doll whose player efficiency rating (PER) exceeds 7.93, which is what Marion logged during his six postseason games.

2. Richard Jefferson, San Antonio
Jefferson was nothing if not consistent: He followed his lackluster regular season with a similarly lackluster postseason, even underperforming his regular-season averages in most categories.

The foundation of the Spurs' success over the years has always been the quality of their decision-making at both ends on every possession. Jefferson's presence on the court seemed to muddle that, and the Spurs no longer have the margin of error to absorb such damage.

3. Paul Pierce, Boston
Pierce's failures aren't for a lack of effort, but it's hard to find an area of the game in which he's helping the Celtics. He's shooting 40 percent from the field for the postseason, and against Cleveland, that mark has dropped to 32 percent, with about as many turnovers (11) as assists (12) and rebounds (12) in the series.

As much as Pierce has struggled with his trigger, the stats on the defensive end are more telling. The C's are almost 15 points better defensively per 100 possessions in the postseason when Pierce is riding the pine.

Broussard

Chris Broussard, ESPN The Magazine

1. Joe Johnson, Atlanta
Johnson, who was at least in the discussion as a player who might be able to get max money this summer, has fizzled not only against Orlando but, before that, was a disappointment in the last three games against Milwaukee.

2. Mo Williams, Cleveland
Mo's defensive struggles against Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo have put Cleveland in a pickle. Making matters worse, he's struggled on the offensive end as well, particularly against Boston.

3. Jason Terry, Dallas
The Mavs' second-leading scorer struggled badly in the playoffs, averaging just 12 points on 37 percent shooting and giving Dirk Nowitzki no support in Dallas' surprising loss to San Antonio.

Sheridan

Chris Sheridan, ESPN.com

1. Joe Johnson, Atlanta
He hasn't looked like anything approaching a max player, which is what Johnson has been described as heading into this summer's free-agent market. And he disrespected Hawks fans by saying he didn't much care what they thought.

2. Richard Jefferson, San Antonio
RJ regained some of his bark after Gregg Popovich called him out as a "dog," but he's still the hands-down winner of the least bang for the buck ($14.2 million salary) award. Trading him helped Milwaukee's John Hammond win the executive of the year award.

3. Michael Beasley, Miami
Beasley gave about eight good minutes total in the Heat's five games, exposing how much more he's worth to Miami going forward for his cap room (if they can move him before July 8) than for his skills.

Stein

Marc Stein, ESPN.com

1. Joe Johnson, Atlanta
I don't buy that JJ has cost himself a ton of money with his postseason struggles because too many teams will have cap space this summer, virtually assuring that he'll get paid by somebody. But I'd argue that free agency would have been far more interesting if Johnson was playing well -- and not following up bad games by dissing Hawks fans to the media -- to attract a wider range of suitors.

2. Rasheed Wallace, Boston
Sheed-bashing has been a lot tougher in the Cleveland series … but I'm clearly not quite over the fact Adande, Sheridan and I all picked Sheed to win Sixth Man Award honors back in October.

3. Jermaine O'Neal, Miami
I've always been a Jermaine O'Neal backer because he's a game-changer defensively when his body cooperates. But when he averages 13.6 points and 6.9 boards for the season -- and then shoots 9-for-44 from the field over the course of a five-game series with the Celts when Dwyane Wade is so desperate for help in Miami -- there's little backing I can provide.

Thorpe

David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio
We can't blame him, after all he's done. But it's still heartbreaking to watch him play now, while remembering the superstar he's always been before.

2. Miami's starters other than Dwyane Wade
I don't even know what to say about them, other than "don't make plans for wintering in Miami just yet."

3. Jason Kidd, Dallas
Coaches and management love to go for experience in the playoffs, but Kidd is proof that it does not always pay off. It's fair to speculate that playing Rodrigue Beaubois the 41 minutes a game Kidd played could have changed the results of the Mavericks' series with the Spurs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/news/story?page=DisappointingPlayers-100510

RipVW
05-10-2010, 07:12 PM
Aside from Henry Abbott, all of the above.

D Roses Bulls
05-10-2010, 07:16 PM
Aside from Henry Abbott, all of the above.

well i agree with abbotts comparison on horford, a lot of people wanna under value horford, but he has shown he deserved the all star spot and how good he can be cause lets face it, he has been the only solid played on the hawks.

IversonIsKrazy
05-10-2010, 07:17 PM
Joe Johnson - Has been without a doubt the most dissapointing player in the playoffs.
Jason Kidd - What did he do? Beabouis and Barea both outplayed him.
Richard Jefferson - Not too much, we all knew after the season, well he sucks with spurs

D Roses Bulls
05-10-2010, 07:20 PM
Joe Johnson - Has been without a doubt the most dissapointing player in the playoffs.
Jason Kidd - What did he do? Beabouis and Barea both outplayed him.
Richard Jefferson - Not too much, we all knew after the season, well he sucks with spurs

yea he played himself out of a max contract

itsripcity32
05-10-2010, 07:28 PM
1.derick rose- come on, no 7 game series, no ot, no 3s, no buzzer beaters. i was completely dissapointed.
2joe johnson
3.rasheed, duncan, nowitzi, jefferson

D Roses Bulls
05-10-2010, 07:35 PM
1.derick rose- come on, no 7 game series, no ot, no 3s, no buzzer beaters. i was completely dissapointed.
2joe johnson
3.rasheed, duncan, nowitzi, jefferson

come on man, the bulls were an 8th seed playing against the number 1 seed in the east with the best record in the NBA. no one expected it to go 7 games and he played pretty damn good and him and noah did all they coud to keep the games close, well some of them.

itsripcity32
05-10-2010, 07:37 PM
come on man, the bulls were an 8th seed playing against the number 1 seed in the east with the best record in the NBA. no one expected it to go 7 games and he played pretty damn good and him and noah did all they coud to keep the games close, well some of them.


true, but no one expected a game 7 with 50 ots last year.
dissapointed

JordansBulls
05-10-2010, 07:38 PM
1. Joe Johnson
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Chauncey Billups.

RipVW
05-10-2010, 07:38 PM
come on man, the bulls were an 8th seed playing against the number 1 seed in the east with the best record in the NBA. no one expected it to go 7 games and he played pretty damn good and him and noah did all they coud to keep the games close, well some of them.

Dont feed the trolls.

D Roses Bulls
05-10-2010, 07:40 PM
Dont feed the trolls.

your right your right...... D Rose powering down..... ;)

Jonathan2323
05-10-2010, 07:41 PM
1.Joe Johnson
2.Jermaine O'neal
3.Richard Jefferson

D Roses Bulls
05-10-2010, 07:41 PM
1. Joe Johnson
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Chauncey Billups.

so how do you think JJ's performance affected his status with the bulls JB? do you think they will still go after him and if so offer him a lot less then they previously planned too?

ldc62
05-10-2010, 07:45 PM
Joe Johnson for sure. :facepalm: the guy who put Duncan.

itsripcity32
05-10-2010, 07:45 PM
so how do you think JJ's performance affected his status with the bulls JB? do you think they will still go after him and if so offer him a lot less then they previously planned too?

max contract? we're talkn bout max contracts? of course they would offfer a max contract. look at what happened to ben wallace

tredigs
05-10-2010, 07:46 PM
Two rounds of the playoffs are nearly complete. Who have been the postseason's biggest disappointments so far? Our experts weigh in.



Abbott
Henry Abbott, TrueHoop
1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas
It's not fair. It's hard to imagine what he could have done better, but with how many different big-budget teammates, and with how many different coaches, will this man lead teams that shock with playoff underperformance?

Even when Dallas made it to the Finals -- a high point for most teams -- Nowitzki's team somehow managed to lose four straight to squander a 2-0 lead and become a tale of sadness. Dallas has now also lost in the opening round as the West's first (2007) and second (2010) seeds. Whether that says something about Nowitzki's game, leadership or fortunes, I don't know, but it's hard not to think these losses could come to define him.

2. Brandon Roy, Portland
He rushed back from knee surgery to help his Trail Blazers for the final three games of the season, and may have helped to hasten their demise. In three gimpy games, Roy was literally one of the least productive players in the entire playoffs (player efficiency rating: 4.5). You can't blame him for trying, but you can admit that he was playing with a remarkable absence of athleticism.

MOST DISAPPOINTING TEAMS
Which playoff squads aren't living up to expectations? Here are the postseason's most disappointing teams. Expert Q&A

A lot of Blazers fans wondered why players like Jerryd Bayless, Dante Cunningham and Martell Webster were in the game, and the answer was because in a world in which Portland coach Nate McMillan had to count on older players like Juwan Howard, Marcus Camby and Andre Miller, those youngsters -- and not Roy -- provided much-needed bounce, hustle and energy. Roy's fruitless 4-of-16 play in Portland's season-ending Game 6 will haunt all summer.

3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio
The Phoenix Suns don't have an Achilles' heel. They have an Achilles' half-acre.

With Robin Lopez out, it's fair to ask if there has ever been a playoff team so unprepared to stop a quality big man in the paint. The Suns are terrible when Jarron Collins is on the floor, and Channing Frye and Amare Stoudemire play mainly for their offense. So with one of the most favorable matchups any NBA star has faced in the playoffs, Duncan should have been dominating.

Instead he was merely solid on offense, and a liability on defense. (Compare Duncan's offense to, say, the Hawks' Al Horford, who is playing against the defensive player of the year, and one of the NBA's best defenses. Horford has a much better true shooting percentage and a better rebound rate to go with lower usage and turnover rates.)

In Duncan's 12th postseason, he slipped badly. Steve Nash made layup after layup, and the vast majority of the time -- because of injury, age or something -- Duncan didn't even have the wherewithal to jump, let alone block the shot. Although Duncan did manage to briefly slow Nash with an inadvertent elbow to the eye in Game 4, Duncan's defensive shortcomings proved a key factor in one of the NBA's best teams bowing out in a second-round sweep instead of vying for a title.



D. Rose the "Quote" button is to the left of the "#" button when you're making a post. Not trying to be a dick, just always kills my eyes to read your threads when you put all bold rather than just use the quote feature.

Anyway, Henry Abbot's picks were horrible:

I disagree with any of the guys saying Duncan. The guy's 33, and still averaged nearly 20/10 through these playoffs. I'd heard he had nagging injuries later this season which kept his mobility down, but you can't call a multiple MVP winner with 4 rings a disappointment once he gets into his mid-30's and starts to see a slight slip in his overall performance. It's on the other guys to step it up more.

Dirk was great this post season. You're going to call the guy who put up 27pts 8rebs 3asts with a TS% of .643 a disappointment??? Then you're an idiot. I think the Mavs suffered from changing so much of their lineup halfway through the season. On paper it makes you better, but the continuity the Spurs had outweighs the slight increase in talent of the Mavs over a 7 game series.

Brandon Roy is also a horrible choice IMO. If anything, the Blazers coaching staff/management is the disappointment in that situation. They should be thanking everything that is holy that he didn't irreversibly damage his knee by being thrown out there so soon after surgery and call it a day. Still the dumbest thing I've seen a team do in a long time, they lucked out big time to only get the series loss.

To me, the biggest disappointment was Joe Johnson. It was his chance to show that he was a player that should command a max contract, and he completely folded. I expect more out of Durant, as well. But I'll give him a pass because he played great defense and had to deal with the team that guards him best for 6 straight games. Against any other team (with the exception of possibly Charlotte), he probably has a great series [probably unfair to have too high of expectations on a 21 yr old in his first playoff series against the defending champs as well].

Jason Kidd shooting so poorly was disappointing.

And I think that rounds it out...

D Roses Bulls
05-10-2010, 07:48 PM
D. Rose the "Quote" button is to the left of the "#" button when you're making a post. Not trying to be a dick, just always kills my eyes to read your threads when you put all bold rather than just use the quote feature.

Anyway, Henry Abbot's picks were horrible:

I disagree with any of the guys saying Duncan. The guy's 33, and still averaged nearly 20/10 through these playoffs. I'd heard he had nagging injuries later this season which kept his mobility down, but you can't call him a multiple MVP winner with 4 rings a disappointment once he gets into his mid-30's and starts to see a slight slip in his overall performance. It's on the other guys to step it up more.

Dirk was great this post season. You're going to call the guy who 27pts 8rebs 3asts with a TS% of .643 a disappointment??? Then you're an idiot. I think the Mavs suffered from changing so much of their lineup halfway through the season. On paper it makes you better, but the continuity the Spurs had outweighs the slight increase in talent the Mavs over a 7 game series.

Brandon Roy is also a horrible choice IMO. If anything, the Blazers coaching staff/management is the disappointment in that situation. They should be thanking everything that is holy that he didn't irreversibly damage his knee by being thrown out there so soon after surgery and call it a day. Still the dumbest thing I've seen a team do in a long time, the lucked out big time to just get the series loss.

To me, the biggest disappointment was Joe Johnson. It was his chance to show that he was a player that should command a max contract, and he completely folded. I expect more out of Durant, as well. But I'll give him a pass because he played great defense and had to deal with the team that guards him best for 6 straight games. Against any other team (with the exception of possibly Charlotte), he probably has a great series. Jason Kidd shooting so poorly was disappointing as well.

I think that rounds it out...

im sorry tredigs...... ill do that next time.

nyyfan4life
05-10-2010, 07:49 PM
You can't put Dirk and Roy up there, IMO. Everyone else for the most part is w/e.

D Roses Bulls
05-10-2010, 07:52 PM
ok its fixed, sorry for the bold before people

tredigs
05-10-2010, 07:55 PM
ok its fixed, sorry for the bold before people

Mahalo D. Rose ; ]

Lone Maverick
05-10-2010, 10:35 PM
Having Brandon Roy and Dirk on your list makes it null and void for me. What did anyone honestly expect from Roy? Dude just had surgery after that first game back it was clear he was playing on fumes and wasn't his old self. As for Dirk he did his part. How about Jason Terry? Kidd?

IndiansFan337
05-10-2010, 11:20 PM
I don't understand how every one of them didn't have Joe Johnson at #1.

MacFitz92
05-10-2010, 11:39 PM
1. Joe Johnson
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Chauncey Billups.

:facepalm:

Typical mainstream fan who sees the Title contending Mavs lose in the first round to blame it on Dirk. Dirk averaged 26.7 ppg in the series. That's above his season average.

MacFitz92
05-10-2010, 11:40 PM
Having Brandon Roy and Dirk on your list makes it null and void for me. What did anyone honestly expect from Roy? Dude just had surgery after that first game back it was clear he was playing on fumes and wasn't his old self. As for Dirk he did his part. How about Jason Terry? Kidd?

People who voted for Dirk just saw the outcome in the Spurs - Mavs series, they didn't actually watch it.

*Silver&Black*
05-10-2010, 11:53 PM
yea he played himself out of a max contract

I hope not. That would mean Joe could still end back up on the Hawks, and that would suck. With him as the star of a team, your looking at good seasons and crappy playoffs. I rather build around Horford. They need to dump Woody and Joe and get a coach who can finally do his job and make the "main 3" Hawks IMO (Al, Josh, and Marvin) better. Too bad they wasted these early years watching Joe shoot games away and Woody looking lost on the sidelines.

A good coach would light a fire up Josh Smith too. He is playing like his coach is coaching. I have a feeling he slacked because he wanted Woody fired.