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Twan
05-09-2010, 08:50 PM
The time was 2004. Gas cost $1.80 a gallon, Maroon 5's "This Love" was working it's way towards the top of the charts, and the Chicago Cubs were closing in on securing their first back-to-back trips to the postseason since their consecutive World Championships nearly 100 years prior.

This team had it all - power, contact, pitching, that cool toothpick thing Dusty did....everything a fan could ask for. It's time to face facts, our team now has none of this. While we may have been 5 outs away in 2003, it's commonly detailed in baseball's history books, which I've read, that the 2004 squad was the far superior team. The good news is, we still have to regain some of this glory - but the window is closing, and we have to act now.

It all starts with managing, of course, and our then-fearless leader Dusty B. Baker happens to still be available at the Major League level. The swap here is simple, Piniella and 19 maple bats for Dusty. Piniella is already the only MLB manager to have ever been traded for a player, he'd undoubtedly jump at the chance to further etc his name into the stones of history by being swapped yet again, this time with the opportunity to inherit a team with actual talent (assuming this Rolen kid is the real deal). Couple the fact that Jocketty will appreciate the maple bat offer (instead of trying to lowball him with some ash garbage) in the amount of his favorite number - he was born on February 19th, and this seems like a sure thing.

Luckily, we do still have some cornerstones of the '04 team around. We can leave Aramis at 3rd and return Z to the rotation until they show some reason to doubt them...not very likely. Science shows that as people age, they begin to decrease in height, that said - Lee and his defense are undoubtedly a question mark at 1st, but it's a risk we'll have to take.

Continuing along the infield, Mark Grudzielanek is having a renaissance season in Cleveland with an OBP well over .270, so it could become difficult to pry him away. Conveniently, another big piece of our rotation's puzzle happens to reside there as well in the form of Kerry Wood, who was dominant in his return from his 13th career DL trip this week. He dominated in his most recent outing, pitching a complete third of an inning and allowing no walks, no hits, no runs, no grand slams, no flesh eating ogres to charge the field and like I said before, no grand slams. The deal we'd need to reach with the Indians is simple - with legendary Indians announcer Bob Uecker cleary near death, we simply have the Tribe package Kerry Wood and Mark Grudzielanek for Len Kasper. While we may lose the deal in the long run - We still get a solid second basemen and a legendary fan favorite, and Cleveland gets the golden froggy pipes of Len.

Now while I did say this team was to be rebuilt around our savior Starlin Castro, it would be foolish to not utilize him to his full potential. Especially while Nomar Garciaparra waits in the wings over at ESPN. I mean, really, the guy hasn't even PLAYED baseball this season. He's as fresh as humanly possible. Starlin is already showing signs of fatigue after 3 games. So we simply double the contract offered to Nomar by ESPN, and Starlin Castro slides into the 3rd spot in our rotation behind Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood. Scouts have noted that he has a rocket arm over there, and while it already looks like he can't handle the brunt of a daily Major League grind, why not limit him to once every 5 days? Let's not forget, this is still the NL, pitchers are allowed to hit for a reason. He could be like Micah Owings meets Tim Lincecum. Mikesy Owchiecum. Imagine the shirt vendors outside Wrigley with that one, it practically sells itself.

The Phillies will probably give us Paul Bako if we ask for him, so no need really to delve much into that.

We trade the A's Randy Wells for Eric Patterson (assuming the rumors of Corey and that trampoline are true, which I'm confident they are), and send scouts out to the Dominican to dig up Sosa and Alou. While Moises may not actually be Dominican, it's a safe assumption that he'd be vacationing there. So take those simple steps, and boom - championship outfield.

Some of you are undoubtedly wondering, what about Mark Prior? Man **** Mark Prior. We have a rotation of Zambrano/Wood/Castro. Once we got into the playoffs, when you account for off-days what in the hell would we need Mark Prior for? The guy is older than dirt and also he looks like a cat. Do you want a cat on our team? Ron Santo certainly doesnt. We're not the Chicago Cats.


Source: http://iamtwan.com/is-it-time-to-rebuild-the-04-cubs-around-starlin-castro/

CubbieSteve
05-09-2010, 08:54 PM
Your website......has been bookmarked.

"Mark Grudzielanek is having a renaissance season in Cleveland with an OBP well over .270, so it could become difficult to pry him away"

lol

Captain Obvious
05-09-2010, 08:57 PM
:laugh: :laugh: Twan strikes again!!! And he has his own website!! I love you, Twan!

jiggin
05-09-2010, 08:57 PM
is self promoting your own site on here considered spam?

gocubs2118
05-09-2010, 08:59 PM
Oh Twan, how we love you.

Diehdcubsfan2
05-09-2010, 09:03 PM
In your site I love how all those tabs are for show, you only have articles in the Baseball section.

Captain Obvious
05-09-2010, 09:03 PM
Hey, now Twan can get a sig, since he has 100 posts. That could be interesting!

croce_99
05-09-2010, 09:49 PM
is self promoting your own site on here considered spam?

This is the first time he has posted it. As long as he doesn't post every article, one time won't kill.

Twan now that you have 100 posts, you can link to your blog in your signature. Just don't copy/paste your articles everytime you make a new one. Thats a no-no :pity:

Doogolas
05-09-2010, 10:02 PM
This is the first time he has posted it. As long as he doesn't post every article, one time won't kill.

Twan now that you have 100 posts, you can link to your blog in your signature. Just don't copy/paste your articles everytime you make a new one. Thats a no-no :pity:

But they're fantastic.

Twan
05-09-2010, 10:06 PM
This is the first time he has posted it. As long as he doesn't post every article, one time won't kill.

Twan now that you have 100 posts, you can link to your blog in your signature. Just don't copy/paste your articles everytime you make a new one. Thats a no-no :pity:

I find this interesting. I'm trying to contribute to the PSD atmosphere. If Bud Selig made a new post every time there was a new story on MLB.com - would you tell him that it was a no-no as well?

croce_99
05-09-2010, 10:17 PM
I find this interesting. I'm trying to contribute to the PSD atmosphere. If Bud Selig made a new post every time there was a new story on MLB.com - would you tell him that it was a no-no as well?

Trying to drive traffic to your site isn't contributing to the atmosphere :laugh:

Oh and if I ever meet Selig, he'll be buried 6 feet under. Hate that guy

Doogolas
05-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Trying to drive traffic to your site isn't contributing to the atmosphere :laugh:

Oh and if I ever meet Selig, he'll be buried 6 feet under. Hate that guy

But, what about if he doesn't post the LINK every time. And just posts his amazingly stellartacuarly genius articles? :eyebrow:

croce_99
05-09-2010, 10:28 PM
But, what about if he doesn't post the LINK every time. And just posts his amazingly stellartacuarly genius articles? :eyebrow:

That's what I told him. He only posts a few articles randomly so it wouldn't be clogging anything up. Also, the Cubs suck so a little humor periodically wouldn't be a bad thing for this forum

gocubs2118
05-09-2010, 10:40 PM
I think its time to make Twan a mod. I'm sure he could do better on the IGT's than BMD.

croce_99
05-09-2010, 10:45 PM
I think its time to make Twan a mod. I'm sure he could do better on the IGT's than BMD.

Is that really saying much though? No offense to Twan....but comparing someone to BMD ability is probably insulting to the other person :laugh2:

Twan
05-09-2010, 10:50 PM
Who's on deck for the Marlins IGT? I feel I could turn this ****wreck around.

croce_99
05-09-2010, 11:00 PM
Who's on deck for the Marlins IGT? I feel I could turn this ****wreck around.

G2F is up next.

Doogolas
05-09-2010, 11:10 PM
You should let Twan step up. I bet he could think up a conspiracy that would help the Cubs turn it around.

turnaround3
05-09-2010, 11:13 PM
I'll do it. Whoever has the authority give me the nod, and I'll do it. Guaranteed sweep. I mean if we're giving away IGT's here.

Edit: Hadn't actually read the thread til just now. Changed my mind. Let Twan do it.

Jilly Bohnson
05-09-2010, 11:16 PM
"While Moises may not actually be Dominican, it's a safe assumption that he'd be vacationing there."

:laugh2:

Captain Obvious
05-09-2010, 11:18 PM
How many people do we have to get to have Twan do the IGT? Seriously.

Tehjosha
05-09-2010, 11:21 PM
:laugh2:

Actually, our IGT results can't get any worse than they already are.

Might as well give someone else a shot. I vote Twan.

Doogolas
05-09-2010, 11:21 PM
We should start a facebook group: 100PSDers for Twan to make Cubs' IGT.

Twan
05-09-2010, 11:26 PM
I accept this challenge.

Tehjosha
05-09-2010, 11:29 PM
JB, croce, someone....give it to him.

croce_99
05-09-2010, 11:32 PM
JB, croce, someone....give it to him.

Don't ask me. Guys in the 'red' are in charge of allowing users to post images.
Ask wrigleyboy

RedHeadsRule
05-09-2010, 11:33 PM
This wasn't as good as the Pirates-Steelers trade, but I still enjoyed it.

<3 Twan

Doogolas
05-09-2010, 11:33 PM
:laugh2: That would so never work. Fun thought though.

gocubs2118
05-09-2010, 11:42 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=115978351775148

Join it!

croce_99
05-09-2010, 11:42 PM
unbelievable :facepalm:

Doogolas
05-09-2010, 11:43 PM
:laugh2: Done. You know you wanna Croce. DO IT NOW.

Twan
05-09-2010, 11:44 PM
IGT in development. It'll be awhile. Perfection takes time.

croce_99
05-09-2010, 11:44 PM
:laugh2: Done. You know you wanna Croce. DO IT NOW.

It's bad enough having 10+ psders stalk me. I am not having the entire Cubs forum stalk me.
I'm going to be gone all next week anyways. Maybe you can get 100 by the time I get back :laugh:

croce_99
05-09-2010, 11:45 PM
IGT in development. It'll be awhile. Perfection takes time.

I would wait until you get the 'go ahead' from an admin.

Tehjosha
05-09-2010, 11:46 PM
I say we come together and all post in Twan's IGT when he posts it. Images or not, it will be worth it.

GTF can post his, but he has been unsuccessful as well, so no one post in it. :laugh:

Matchstckman
05-09-2010, 11:48 PM
Can we just give Twan Wrig's job?

croce_99
05-09-2010, 11:50 PM
Can we just give Twan Wrig's job?

No objection from me.

Also, I posted a question to see if you guys can help with game threads.
I'll let you know what they say

gocubs2118
05-09-2010, 11:51 PM
We have 5 members. The Twan train is gaining speed.

Matchstckman
05-09-2010, 11:51 PM
No objection from me.

Also, I posted a question to see if you guys can help with game threads.
I'll let you know what they say

Don't ask about us "guys." Just ask about Twan.

Idiot.

Mell413
05-09-2010, 11:51 PM
I joined

1908_Cubs
05-09-2010, 11:54 PM
Twan is a god.

Doogolas
05-09-2010, 11:54 PM
It's bad enough having 10+ psders stalk me. I am not having the entire Cubs forum stalk me.
I'm going to be gone all next week anyways. Maybe you can get 100 by the time I get back :laugh:

Nobody will know it's you. Just join. And then in like, 3 days say you joined at some point. Nobody will actually know which one is you! It's the perfect crime!

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:01 AM
Nobody will know it's you. Just join. And then in like, 3 days say you joined at some point. Nobody will actually know which one is you! It's the perfect crime!

:laugh2:

Nobody will know it's me........ ask gocubs or matchstickthing if people will recognize my name or not

Tehjosha
05-10-2010, 12:01 AM
I was going to bed soon. 8am classes suck ***.

I will now wait for Twan's IGT.

gocubs2118
05-10-2010, 12:03 AM
:laugh2:

Nobody will know it's me........ ask gocubs or matchstickthing if people will recognize my name or not

Thats what you get for putting your last name as your screen name :facepalm:

Doogolas
05-10-2010, 12:03 AM
:laugh2:

Nobody will know it's me........ ask gocubs or matchstickthing if people will recognize my name or not

Nobody that doesn't already know your name will know though!

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:05 AM
Nobody that doesn't already know your name will know though!

:facepalm:

Matchstckman
05-10-2010, 12:06 AM
Bad news CrotchBreath, I'm just gonna scalp tomorrow cuz I'm not sure yet how many people are going.

derosabomb
05-10-2010, 12:09 AM
i would join the group but i dont do facebook groups or pages or any of that ********. but i think twan should be doing the IGT's

Captain Obvious
05-10-2010, 12:09 AM
Thats what you get for putting your last name as your screen name :facepalm:

And now Croce gets 12 friend requests.

StrandedCub
05-10-2010, 12:09 AM
I joined the Twan movement... The future looks bright

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:10 AM
Bad news CrotchBreath, I'm just gonna scalp tomorrow cuz I'm not sure yet how many people are going.

Nope that's fine. I'm sure you'll go again before the summer is over.
Then try it :nod:

JDIsMyGod23
05-10-2010, 12:11 AM
I regret joining this group already.

Tehjosha
05-10-2010, 12:12 AM
I regret joining this group already.

Dumbest. Comment. Ever.

You will be a better man because of this.

Doogolas
05-10-2010, 12:14 AM
His last name is Croce. EVERYONE FRIEND HIM QUICKLY!

Tehjosha
05-10-2010, 12:15 AM
His last name is Croce. EVERYONE FRIEND HIM QUICKLY!

:laugh2:

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:15 AM
His last name is Croce. EVERYONE FRIEND HIM QUICKLY!

Lots and Lots, trust me...I've searched already.

And it's hidden :nod:

Doogolas
05-10-2010, 12:16 AM
Lots and Lots, trust me...I've searched already.

And it's hidden :nod:

You're the first one that popped up. :laugh2: Four people from PSD have you as a friend that I also have as a friend. So yeah...

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:16 AM
You're the first one that popped up. :laugh2: Four people from PSD have you as a friend that I also have as a friend. So yeah...

Twan

Last Activity: Today 11:08 PM
Current Activity: Viewing Thread Is it time to rebuild '04 Cubs around Starlin Castro?

Now goto bed, he's not creating anything!

derosabomb
05-10-2010, 12:16 AM
everyone friend request everyone on facebook with the last name croce. this plan should work.

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:17 AM
everyone friend request everyone on facebook with the last name croce. this plan should work.

Jim Croce :laugh2:

Mell413
05-10-2010, 12:17 AM
Who from the group friend requested me?

Tehjosha
05-10-2010, 12:17 AM
Twan why are you in here if you're creating the next and greatest IGT?

derosabomb
05-10-2010, 12:18 AM
Jim Croce :laugh2:

yeah its totally the 1st one it has to be. and we have three mutual friends :hi5: and their not even PSD users.

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:19 AM
I'm out of here. Hello Vegas :nod:

Twan don't yell at me when your 3 hour thread gets deleted in the morning from someone else

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:19 AM
yeah its totally the 1st one it has to be. and we have three mutual friends :hi5: and their not even PSD users.

Must be someone at @ U Iowa or @ U Illinois.
Can't imagine it'd be anyone else

Captain Obvious
05-10-2010, 12:19 AM
Twan

Last Activity: Today 11:08 PM
Current Activity: Viewing Thread Is it time to rebuild '04 Cubs around Starlin Castro?

Now goto bed, he's not creating anything!

I am tempted to remove you from Facebook because of this. This is creeper status right here.


Who from the group friend requested me?

Me.

derosabomb
05-10-2010, 12:21 AM
Must be someone at @ U Iowa or @ U Illinois.
Can't imagine it'd be anyone else

nope they all went to roosevelt with me. 2 of the 3 in the music conservatory with me.

Matchstckman
05-10-2010, 12:21 AM
nope they all went to roosevelt with me. 2 of the 3 in the music conservatory with me.

Croce is a semi-professional harpist so that makes sense.

gocubs2118
05-10-2010, 12:22 AM
Can we just call this thread the facebook stalker group?

CubbieSteve
05-10-2010, 12:22 AM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=115978351775148

Join it!

I'm in.

10 strong.

JDIsMyGod23
05-10-2010, 12:22 AM
Who the **** is Blake!?!? And why should I be friends with you?

derosabomb
05-10-2010, 12:22 AM
Croce is a semi-professional harpist so that makes sense.

yes it is him one of the friends is a harpist.

edit- the only reason i fell for this was because one of the friends was a harpist. good guess matchstck

Captain Obvious
05-10-2010, 12:25 AM
Who the **** is Blake!?!? And why should I be friends with you?

Me.

And because I am not Croce.

croce_99
05-10-2010, 12:26 AM
Derosa: 0-1

Twan
05-10-2010, 12:30 AM
I have been advised that I am not to make an IGT thread without the go-ahead from the higher ups. As I always comply with the rules and regulations of PSD, I will wait. The thread however, is ready. Should this group surpass 100 members, I will nix my loyalty to the law of the land and post regardless. I suggest you all join this impromptu group praising my greatness immediately.

Ron!n
05-10-2010, 12:52 AM
Your sig is creepy.

Ron!n
05-10-2010, 12:54 AM
Also where did you guys get that picture of Twan from?

Twan
05-10-2010, 12:55 AM
Oh and if I ever meet Selig, he'll be buried 6 feet under. Hate that guy

Is this a public death threat to Bud Selig?

From a MOD?

Ron!n
05-10-2010, 01:06 AM
Is this a public death threat to Bud Selig?

From a MOD?
Use that as leverage to prevent them from X'ing your IGT.

Jilly Bohnson
05-10-2010, 01:47 AM
Don't ask me. Guys in the 'red' are in charge of allowing users to post images.
Ask wrigleyboy

I've never really seen why user's can't create IGTs. The reason given are that they're not supposed to post images. But if they put up an IGT with the understanding that's the only place they're allowed to post images then what's the problem? It's not like there's anything already preventing them from posting images, and it's not like it's a complicated line that they're crossing.

Sorry, just a small mod-politics rant.

Matchstckman
05-10-2010, 02:09 AM
Shut up, Jilly.

jiggin
05-10-2010, 02:19 AM
its so awesome that since the cubs are not playing well that this place is turning into facebook.

get my social networkin' on....awesome!

Jilly Bohnson
05-10-2010, 02:19 AM
Shut up, Jilly.

Quit posting on here and get me a printout of Oyster smiling.

derosabomb
05-10-2010, 03:10 AM
I've never really seen why user's can't create IGTs. The reason given are that they're not supposed to post images. But if they put up an IGT with the understanding that's the only place they're allowed to post images then what's the problem? It's not like there's anything already preventing them from posting images, and it's not like it's a complicated line that they're crossing.

Sorry, just a small mod-politics rant.

ive posted IGTs in the Blackhawks forum with pics in it, probably around 5 times and nothings ever happened to me. :hide:

Ron!n
05-10-2010, 04:17 AM
ive posted IGTs in the Blackhawks forum with pics in it, probably around 5 times and nothings ever happened to me. :hide:
Yeah in forums without alot of mods, the regular posters always do the IGT's.

I guess since the Cubs forum has about 10 mods they need something to do? Also since its a very active forum things could get messy if everyone is making IGT's.

poodski
05-10-2010, 07:45 AM
Wait so if Twan gets 100 people he will post an IGT?

Like you will do it regardless knowing the repercussions?

Because if thats true I ll make about 50 FB accounts and join for all 50 accounts so he gets his *** banned.

Oh and croce this isnt the first time he has posted an article and linked his blog.

Conundrum
05-10-2010, 10:10 AM
I joined...and now there are 17...it's gonna happen!

BDawk4Prez
05-10-2010, 11:24 AM
ive posted IGTs in the Blackhawks forum with pics in it, probably around 5 times and nothings ever happened to me. :hide:

I did one for an Eagles gme. :shrug:


Wait so if Twan gets 100 people he will post an IGT?

Like you will do it regardless knowing the repercussions?

Because if thats true I ll make about 50 FB accounts and join for all 50 accounts so he gets his *** banned.

Oh and croce this isnt the first time he has posted an article and linked his blog.

Well hello there Mr. RAIN, meet Mr. PARADE.

BDawk4Prez
05-10-2010, 11:25 AM
I am almost tempted to join Faebook just so I can be part of this historic feat.

poodski
05-10-2010, 11:32 AM
Well hello there Mr. RAIN, meet Mr. PARADE.

Eh I am not the only one who thinks his posts are dumb, I am just more vocal.

BDawk4Prez
05-10-2010, 11:34 AM
This group needs a shake up of some sorts. Maybe this could be it.

Obviously cheering for the wourst team in the division not named the Cubs didn't get the job done. The Cubs are really making me hate baseball right now.

poodski
05-10-2010, 11:38 AM
This group needs a shake up of some sorts. Maybe this could be it.

Obviously cheering for the wourst team in the division not named the Cubs didn't get the job done. The Cubs are really making me hate baseball right now.

Why? Its like you guys expected the Cubs to be good. The team just isnt. Sure its frustrating I suppose, but I kind of expected something like this.

BDawk4Prez
05-10-2010, 11:54 AM
Why? Its like you guys expected the Cubs to be good. The team just isnt. Sure its frustrating I suppose, but I kind of expected something like this.

More so that I think they SHOULD be good. I expected some lumps and things as well, but a line up that includes the likes of Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Byrd, Soto, Fukudome sounds really, really good to me. Are the expectations too high, certainly. Should we get our ***** handed to us series after series against Pitts, Cincy, Mets, Nationals, HELL no!!

I don't mind seeing the Cubs play good baseball and lose to better teams, but this is tinkering on the side of lunacy.

behindmydesk
05-10-2010, 11:55 AM
I can't believe you guys found this even remotely funny. It's not real hard to just make up things, and say wow guys look at me.

BDawk4Prez
05-10-2010, 11:57 AM
Haters going to hate.

Don't knock the guy for being somewhat creative and trying to have a sense of humor.

poodski
05-10-2010, 12:06 PM
Haters going to hate.

Don't knock the guy for being somewhat creative and trying to have a sense of humor.

It was cute at first, then it became annoying, now its just sad.

I honestly feel bad for the guy, and some of you have REALLY low bars for comedy.

gocubs2118
05-10-2010, 12:08 PM
I didn't even read it :shrug:

behindmydesk
05-10-2010, 12:23 PM
It was cute at first, then it became annoying, now its just sad.

I honestly feel bad for the guy, and some of you have REALLY low bars for comedy.

I put it on the same level as jason segal. Horribly overrated.

Matchstckman
05-10-2010, 01:40 PM
I can't believe you guys found this even remotely funny. It's not real hard to just make up things, and say wow guys look at me.

Okay go ahead. Make me laugh.

Doogolas
05-10-2010, 03:54 PM
I also didn't read it. This one seemed sucky. But I did really like his Pirates one.

Doogolas
05-10-2010, 03:56 PM
Why? Its like you guys expected the Cubs to be good. The team just isnt. Sure its frustrating I suppose, but I kind of expected something like this.

That's ******** and you know it Poods. If I'd told you preseason Soriano and Soto bounce back you'd have said 90 wins. Hell I'm pretty sure your prediction was for a team with like 78 wins and you had the most pessimistic predictions of anyone. This team is talented as hell they just need to get their heads out of their *****.

windycityD
05-10-2010, 04:16 PM
That's ******** and you know it Poods. If I'd told you preseason Soriano and Soto bounce back you'd have said 90 wins. Hell I'm pretty sure your prediction was for a team with like 78 wins and you had the most pessimistic predictions of anyone. This team is talented as hell they just need to get their heads out of their *****.

This pen is a combo of too young & erratic after Marshall and Marmol and have you looked at our numbers with RISP? The latter problem is really an unresolved carry over from 2009 and the former one cannot be fixed in the short-run outside the organization. Perceived talent and actual results have a way of coming out fully in the wash by late June/ early July. This team has two glaring flaws that cannot continue.

If we score and fix the middle relief in house starting this month, yeah, this team can win 86-88 games, and imo, the wild card. But right now, this team is playing on the verge of a 2007-esque first-half slide waaay south. Unlike that year, a slide like that this season could effectively end this season by late June. We don't have a weak division to fall back on this go around. Our best bet is to play better within the wide open NL wc field after Philly and St. Lou.

Doogolas
05-10-2010, 04:21 PM
Numbers with RISP is exactly why this team will come around. All you need is one of Lee or Ramirez to get their head out of their *** and that SKYROCKETS, to this point the guys getting on base are: Soto, Theriot and Fukudome. Who have been 8-1-2, when you have your 3-4 players hitting ANEMICALLY, then yeah, your RISP numbers are going to blow ***.

I would be much more worried if the team in general was sucking. But RISP numbers tend to even themselves out. So unless Lee-Ramirez continue to suck, which I doubt, they will come up and we'll be fine.

Honestly, not that worried about the pen. Berg blows *** and needs to go down and Grabow needs to go crawl under a rock but that's about it. The rest of them are pretty good. I mean right now Marmol-Z-Marshall are three really good BP arms. Honestly, Marshall and Z used properly has each of them doing two innings every other day we're winning/in a really close game to take full advantage of their abilities. So really, our BP isn't something to be that worried about.

cr00zi3
05-10-2010, 04:22 PM
The kids a monster so far...dives for balls hustles on the run. He makes smart decisions....well atleast with what i seen so far.

croce_99
05-10-2010, 04:42 PM
The kids a monster so far...dives for balls hustles on the run. He makes smart decisions....well atleast with what i seen so far.

Wait until he receives the contract and the money.

The 'hustle' just might disappear :)

I'm not saying he will do that, but it sure happens to a lot of pro athletes. Not just MLB

cowboydoc45
05-10-2010, 04:47 PM
Wait until he receives the contract and the money.

The 'hustle' just might disappear :)

I'm not saying he will do that, but it sure happens to a lot of pro athletes. Not just MLB

That is the main reason I prefer college football to NFL (though I still like NFL) and I can't stand the NBA (none of those guys seem to really even care about the game)

Doogolas
05-10-2010, 04:56 PM
Wait until he receives the contract and the money.

The 'hustle' just might disappear :)

I'm not saying he will do that, but it sure happens to a lot of pro athletes. Not just MLB

I disagree. Most people who hustle, hustle forever. Most people that don't hustle just have it pointed out when they hit the bank.

Ron!n
05-10-2010, 05:16 PM
That is the main reason I prefer college football to NFL (though I still like NFL) and I can't stand the NBA (none of those guys seem to really even care about the game)
Well i think the NFL is less since contracts arent guaranteed.

Also how awesome would it be if MLB contracts weren't guaranteed? You could just cut Soriano next year.

jiggin
05-10-2010, 06:25 PM
The kids a monster so far...dives for balls hustles on the run. He makes smart decisions....well atleast with what i seen so far.

LOL

well I would hope so, he just got his first call up to the big leagues. What player wouldn't be busting their *** on the field when called up for the first time?

smart decisions? can't agree their but he is young. problem with the pass because of age is that fuels the argument that he may not be ready for the bigs and that the minors is exactly the place to help him build that baseball maturity.

but I wont start that topic again...

jiggin
05-10-2010, 06:26 PM
Well i think the NFL is less since contracts arent guaranteed.

Also how awesome would it be if MLB contracts weren't guaranteed? You could just cut Soriano next year.

you wouldn't have to cut soriano...he would be busting his *** everyday to keep that money. but since he gets it one way or another, his play varies with his mood apparently.

jiggin
05-10-2010, 06:28 PM
I disagree. Most people who hustle, hustle forever. Most people that don't hustle just have it pointed out when they hit the bank.

my bet is Ramirez and the lot hustled their butts off climbing the ladder...but once in the MLB...the star treatment affects the Psyche.

The "busting their *****" tends to be hit or miss at that point...not completely going away but not like when they were trying to get to the MLB level.

BDawk4Prez
05-10-2010, 06:57 PM
Numbers with RISP is exactly why this team will come around. All you need is one of Lee or Ramirez to get their head out of their *** and that SKYROCKETS, to this point the guys getting on base are: Soto, Theriot and Fukudome. Who have been 8-1-2, when you have your 3-4 players hitting ANEMICALLY, then yeah, your RISP numbers are going to blow ***.

I would be much more worried if the team in general was sucking. But RISP numbers tend to even themselves out. So unless Lee-Ramirez continue to suck, which I doubt, they will come up and we'll be fine.

Honestly, not that worried about the pen. Berg blows *** and needs to go down and Grabow needs to go crawl under a rock but that's about it. The rest of them are pretty good. I mean right now Marmol-Z-Marshall are three really good BP arms. Honestly, Marshall and Z used properly has each of them doing two innings every other day we're winning/in a really close game to take full advantage of their abilities. So really, our BP isn't something to be that worried about.

Then the problem will become those guys falling back to earth, while Lee and Aram try and carry the team, again. Sorry, but I have seen this movie before.

Doogolas
05-10-2010, 07:00 PM
Then the problem will become those guys falling back to earth, while Lee and Aram try and carry the team, again. Sorry, but I have seen this movie before.

Having the other players fall to Earth and them pick it up, we're much better off with. Then we have a lineup like this:

.750
.800
.900
.950
.800
.850
.850
.730

That's a badass lineup that will score a shitload of runs.

BDawk4Prez
05-10-2010, 07:08 PM
Having the other players fall to Earth and them pick it up, we're much better off with. Then we have a lineup like this:

.750
.800
.900
.950
.800
.850
.850
.730

That's a badass lineup that will score a shitload of runs.

Until then, we are stuck with a very bad team.

h.villanueva
05-14-2010, 12:40 AM
This, whatever the **** it is, is the biggest steaming pile of **** I have ever read. I read many of these posts and still cannot tell if everyone is being sarcastic at once or just ********. I forced my way through the entire piece of garbage hoping for some redeeming aspect and am left only with a sense of despair. TThat something like this could come into the world is an argument against the existence of God, to which there is no rebuttal. It is inane to the point of being evil and I fully expect it to start spewing pea soup and masturbating with a crucifix.

turnaround3
05-14-2010, 02:01 AM
That something like this could come into the world is an argument against the existence of God

You're saying Twan is arguing against his own existence?

weneedpitching
05-14-2010, 12:19 PM
Having the other players fall to Earth and them pick it up, we're much better off with. Then we have a lineup like this:

.750
.800
.900
.950
.800
.850
.850
.730

That's a badass lineup that will score a shitload of runs.

.727
.970
.941
.689
1.017
.481
.973
.783 (MiLB Career OPS)

Thats what we have now and we aren't scoring any runs. 4 guys with an OPS over .900 SHOULD be getting it done now...but it's not.

Chicago657
05-14-2010, 11:54 PM
This, whatever the **** it is, is the biggest steaming pile of **** I have ever read. I read many of these posts and still cannot tell if everyone is being sarcastic at once or just ********. I forced my way through the entire piece of garbage hoping for some redeeming aspect and am left only with a sense of despair. TThat something like this could come into the world is an argument against the existence of God, to which there is no rebuttal. It is inane to the point of being evil and I fully expect it to start spewing pea soup and masturbating with a crucifix.

**** dude. It was a joke. And a hilarious one at that. How didn't you see it? This topic is gold.

I believe the term is "WOOOOOOSH"

h.villanueva
05-16-2010, 10:30 AM
Clearly it is a joke. It just isn't funny, at all. I believe the phrase is, "The emperor has no clothes."