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Jonathan2323
05-02-2010, 03:09 PM
So let's take a look at the seven teams with enough cap space to potentially sign a max free agent this summer (Minnesota could end up on that list, too, but we're leaving them off the list for now), and look at what each has to offer. From there, you can make your own deductions about what players might want to realistically play in those markets. Some cities and organizations just have a lot more to offer than others.

Miami HEAT: $41.5 million available

Money: If and when the team re-signs Dwyane Wade, they're still going to have enough bread left over to sign another max free agent and a free agent in the $9-10 million/year range. Some agents are already saying that the HEAT, not New York, are going to be the team that dictates what happens in free agency this summer, at least from a financial standpoint.

Location: There are few places in the country that more gorgeous all year round than South Florida. The night life is fantastic, the women are beautiful, and the weather is fantastic. Places with good beaches have to be a significant draw to potential free agents.

Team Needs: Other than D-Wade, what don't they need? Power forwards are going to get the most attention most likely, specifically Amar'e Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, and Carlos Boozer. Those guys won't face an ounce of opposition for playing time with the HEAT.
Quality of Teammates: Not good. They don't have a point guard, and there really isn't a whole lot available this summer in terms of free agency, either. Of course, if the team brings on Stoudemire and somebody like Rudy Gay, the situation immediately looks better. But that still doesn't leave much of a bench. Even with two superstars, it's a team predicated on depth. They'd have to hope everybody important stayed healthy to have a shot at a ring.
Coaching Staff: There's not a ton of confidence in Erik Spoelstra at the moment, and he's not necessarily a guy players are dying to work for. There are more desirable coaches to play for out there, and a few of the teams on this list are even in situations where they could allow a big-name free agent help make the decision on who the new coach would be. That sort of hurts Miami in this case, at least comparatively.

Intangibles: There's no state income tax. When you're making millions of dollars a year, that can mean hanging onto a whole lot of money. The only other teams that can offer that are the three Texas organizations, none of whom have the cap room to make a run at any of these guys.

New York Knicks: $34.5 million available

Money: The Knicks technically have enough money to sign two max free agents, but if that's the route they take they're not going to have a lot of money left over to fill out the other 4-6 roster spots. So while there is money to get a pretty fantastic superstar tandem together, there isn't much opportunity to great a deep team unless Donnie Walsh gets creative in sign-and-trade scenarios with David Lee.

Location: It's the biggest market in the country with absolutely no limit to things a young man can do to entertain himself and his buddies/family. Not everybody loves the big city, but most of the players in the league can appreciate how great a city NYC is. \

Team Needs: Anybody the team signs is going to be needed. If all the free agents leave, they really only have one legitimate starter in Gallinari. In other words, they need everything. Any big name signee will get his fair share of playing time and then some.

Quality of Teammates: If you're thinking about coming to play for the Knicks, you have absolutely no clue who's going to be around next year outside of a very small handful of players. Danilo Gallinari, Toney Douglas, and Wilson Chandler are solid pieces, but they aren't enough to convince a superstar to give up a great situation. The team doesn't even have its lottery pick this year to help soften the blow from that lack of depth.

Coaching Staff: What offensive player in his right mind wouldn't want to play for Mike D'Antoni? He's gotten flak in the New York papers this season, but he could make a really talented player look even better, and potential free agents know this.
Intangibles: Madison Square Garden is one of the best venues in the league, and New York has more history attached to its organization than any other team on this list. Players with real respect for the game would be enchanted at the idea of resurrecting one of the league's most treasured franchised.

New Jersey Nets: $26 million available

Money: The cash is there for one max free agent with affable money left over to pursue a second or third tier free agent.

Location: East Rutherford, New Jersey isn't the sexiest location on a map of the U.S.A., but an eventual move to Brooklyn could help keep things relatively rosy. Compared to some of the other locations guys could end up in, however, Jersey is at a bit of a disadvantage.

Team Needs: More than anything, the Nets need someone to sidle up alongside Brook Lopez in the frontcourt. Luckily, there are quite a few really good bigs in this summer's crop to help fill that gap. They could also use an upgrade at shooting guard, because as solid as Chris Douglas-Roberts and Courtney Lee were at times last season, Joe Johnson and D-Wade are on completely different planes.

Quality of Teammates: Not as bad as you'd think if you just looked at their record from last season. Devin Harris is only a year removed from an All-Star season, and Brook Lopez has proven to be one of the top handful of centers in the Eastern Conference. There's some talent here, and with the right piece in free agency (and a top draft pick), it would be very surprising to see them be so awful again next season.

Coaching Staff: There won't be a new coach in Jersey until after the draft, which means a potential free agent can help choose the new boss, if he were so inclined.

Intangibles: The Nets have the best shot at getting the top pick in this year's draft. Ending up with John Wall or Evan Turner in June could seriously help change a player's mind when they consider what that does to an already promising young lineup. Plus, Jay-Z's involvement as an owner and the imminent move to Brooklyn makes this franchise a little hipper than some of the other options out there.

Washington Wizards: $21 million available

Money: Gilbert Arenas's gigantic contract might have the team in figurative shackles at the moment, but by letting go of Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler they actually cleared up enough space to be players in the summer's free agency storm. They could sign a max guy if they were so inclined.

Location: Washington D.C. isn't a place that players talk about as one of their favorite stops. It might be our nation's capital with loads of history packed into its streets, but it's not where young people go to have a wild weekend.

Team Needs: Arenas is obviously going to be taking the lion's share of the shots in the backcourt, so it's hard to imagine him playing alongside someone like Joe Johnson or Dwyane Wade, but they would certainly welcome a defensive two guard or traditional point to help bring the ball up the floor. Andray Blatche is about the only thing positive that happened for the Wiz last season, so when it comes to power forward, a new player would have to consider the fact that they'd be splitting minutes at their natural spot, and maybe even playing out of position a little bit. That's probably not going to make guys like Chris Bosh too excited to leave his home market.

Quality of Teammates: This is a thin roster. Outside of Arenas and Blatche, the Wizards' best players are Josh Howard, Mike Miller, and Al Thornton. Not exactly a group of guys that jumps off the paper.

Coaching Staff: Flip Saunders had a rough year, but he's still a coach that guys generally respect. Free agents would likely much prefer playing for a proven guy like that than someone new to the head coaching thing. Not the worst coach to play for in the league, but he's also probably not the guy to get you a championship ring.

Intangibles: This organization was a mess last season. Cleaning house this past February was a white flag towards rebuilding, and it seems unlikely that a huge name would want to be part of that.


Chicago Bulls: $20.5 million available

Money: Cleared just enough money to chase a max free agent, but the higher-than-expected salary cap for next season gives them an extra 2-3 million to tinker with, too.

Location: It might be colder than a polar bear's toenails in Chicago's frostier seasons, but it's a gorgeous place in the spring and summer. After games in the Windy City, opposing teams almost always have pizza delivered from someplace like Gino's East or Lou Malnati's because they know how great the food is there. Plenty to do, plenty to see, and the third biggest TV market in the league.

Team Needs: Could use an upgrade at power forward, no matter how good Taj Gibson was in his first season, and definitely need some help at shooting guard. LeBron and Wade are at the top of their list, but Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh are going to rate pretty high on that list, too.
Quality of Teammates: It's between the Bulls and the Clippers in terms of teams that can offer a new free agent the best cast of teammates to help get a championship ring. Chicago obviously has one of the league's most talented point guards in the league in Derrick Rose, and other players like Kirk Hinrich, Joakim Noah, Luol Deng, and Taj Gibson give the team more than enough fuel to add to a postseason fire. This is a team that's "one player away," and that one player could possible by had this offseason.

Coaching Staff: Perhaps the least attractive aspect of Chicago as a potential free agency destination. There's little doubt that Del Negro is a goner in the next couple of weeks, but that means the pressure's on to hire somebody credible enough to attract a big name. What also must be considered here is the way that Bulls president John Paxson handled Del Negro in their controversial dealings this year. Some potential new employees may see that discord and want no part of it. The right coach, however, could make a free agent forget all about those particular misgivings.

Intangibles: It's the house that Jordan built. Does that present enough of a historical challenge for Dwyane Wade or LeBron James to want to switch teams, or does that end up being a reason those guys wouldn't want to play for the Bulls? Wade is from Chicago, and some expect that could play into his decision, but so far he's been pretty clear that his decision won't be made based on his roots with the city.

Sacramento Kings: $18.5 million available

Money: They've got just enough for a max free agent.
Location: Well, it's in California, and that's a good thing, but it's not as flashy as some of the other cities trying to recruit free agents.
Team Needs: They're set at point guard (or shooting guard, depending on how you classify Tyreke Evans), but pretty much any of the big free agents would get plenty of PT on this team, even though young guys like Jason Thompson and Carl Landry have showed considerable promise. This is a team that's rebuilding, so some of the older free agents like Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer are particularly unlikely.
Quality of Teammates: Evans may have averaged over 5 assists per game as a rookie, but he hasn't mastered the art of sharing the ball quite yet. Other than that, this isn't a team built to win now. There's talent here, for sure, but not enough for a ring.
Coaching Staff: Paul Westphal wasn't bad last year, especially early in the season, but he's not someone players are dying to play for.
Intangibles: Unless they land a big fish, it's hard to see the Kings spending their money unwisely. They've worked hard to get themselves to this point in the rebuilding process, and they're going to save that cap space for the right player, even if it means that player doesn't come around for another year or two.

L.A. Clippers: $18 million available

Money: They've got just enough for a max free agent.
Location: It's Hollywood, and the second largest TV market in the country. In terms of having a professional life outside of basketball, perhaps no other city on the map can offer a player more. You'd have celebrities sitting courtside at every game, and you'd get a chance to out-do the Lakers as the hometown favorites. Traffic would be horrible, but otherwise L.A. is a place most players consider a really desirable place to be.
Team Needs: Small forward, more than anything else. That means LeBron James is the guy they'd most like to land, but Rudy Gay wouldn't be a horrible consolation prize.
Quality of Teammates: Pretty stinkin' good. You have to wonder what would've happened to the Clippers this year had Blake Griffin been healthy. Would a core that featured him, Baron Davis, Chris Kaman, and Eric Gordon been good enough to make the postseason? Well, add a likely top-eight pick in the draft this June and a marquee free agent, and you're looking at a sure thing for 2011. Other than the Bulls, no other team has a team so ready to compete right away and five years down the road.
Coaching Staff: More than any other team, the Clippers have made it known that if LeBron comes to L.A., he can pick the coach and the GM. If a player's looking for power, there might not be an organization more willing to fork it over.
Intangibles: The Clippers have long been the most embarrassing team in the league. There's a culture there that has to be turned around there before a championship can be considered a realistic goal. If a superstar is up to that challenge, however, L.A. could be a really exciting place to play professional basketball.

Taking all of this into consideration, which teams look most likely to draw the biggest names in the crop? Miami, L.A., Chicago, and maybe New York. Sacramento and Washington probably won't be huge players, at least not when it comes to the superstars, and New Jersey could find itself struggling quite a bit to make a splashy signing happen. In any event, we'll see how it works out in due course, but in thinking about the players rumored to be heading to one of these teams, make sure you count what's important to them before buying the jersey. There's more to it than just money.





Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16116#ixzz0mngYOO4m


1)Miami 2)NYC 3)Chicago

Red222
05-02-2010, 03:12 PM
Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16116#ixzz0mngYOO4m


1)Miami 2)NYC 3)Chicago
poopsworld disregards entirely

Draco
05-02-2010, 03:16 PM
1)Miami 2)NYC 3)Chicago

Doesn't look like the author ranked the destinations. And who's Joey Bingham?

Taking all of this into consideration, which teams look most likely to draw the biggest names in the crop? Miami, L.A., Chicago, and maybe New York. Sacramento and Washington probably won't be huge players, at least not when it comes to the superstars, and New Jersey could find itself struggling quite a bit to make a splashy signing happen. In any event, we'll see how it works out in due course, but in thinking about the players rumored to be heading to one of these teams, make sure you count what's important to them before buying the jersey. There's more to it than just money.

Catfish1314
05-02-2010, 03:17 PM
#1 Sacramento

Jonathan2323
05-02-2010, 03:18 PM
Doesn't look like the author ranked the destinations. But then again.. who's Joey Bingham?

thats my rankings and Joel Bingham is a Bulls fan that writes for Hoopsworld.

zambo4president
05-02-2010, 04:00 PM
The Bulls would have to look great to any of the superstar's I think, were a very young playoff team that's a big time player away from legit competition instead of 1 and done's like the past 2 seasons. If LeBron was smart, he'd go to Chicago in a top 3 market in America, get with a young team he could win championships with for a long time and takeover Michael's reign in his own city. LeBron has a clause in his contract with Nike that says if he signs with one of the 3 big market's in 2010 (LA,NY CHI) he get's a 25 Million dollar bonus or something like that.

iFYouSeekAmy
05-02-2010, 04:02 PM
Wait till Lebron wins/doesn't win a championship.

Bubba17
05-02-2010, 04:22 PM
Personally, I'd want to go to the Clippers. They have a really solid team on paper, and if they can get a good coach, along with a superstar, they are looking really good.

kmoneyjuice
05-02-2010, 04:32 PM
#1 Sacramento

this^

NYK_kidd77
05-02-2010, 04:37 PM
Damn i thought that we had at least 2 starters on our team with Chandler and Gallo but i guess not.

RipVW
05-02-2010, 05:08 PM
The Bulls would have to look great to any of the superstar's I think, were a very young playoff team that's a big time player away from legit competition instead of 1 and done's like the past 2 seasons. If LeBron was smart, he'd go to Chicago in a top 3 market in America, get with a young team he could win championships with for a long time and takeover Michael's reign in his own city. LeBron has a clause in his contract with Nike that says if he signs with one of the 3 big market's in 2010 (LA,NY CHI) he get's a 25 Million dollar bonus or something like that.

I didnt realize he stands to make 25 million if he goes to a big market. As much as Id love him to become a Bull, how is this fair and why hasnt Stern addressed this?

Also, Lebron doesnt even have to be better than Jordan any more than DiMaggio, Mantle, Reggie, or ARod had to be better than Babe Ruth.

He just has to be great and win and we'll make a place on Mt Rushmore for him.

Red222
05-02-2010, 05:49 PM
I didnt realize he stands to make 25 million if he goes to a big market. As much as Id love him to become a Bull, how is this fair and why hasnt Stern addressed this?

Also, Lebron doesnt even have to be better than Jordan any more than DiMaggio, Mantle, Reggie, or ARod had to be better than Babe Ruth.

He just has to be great and win and we'll make a place on Mt Rushmore for him.
there is no nike bonus

Costra_Nostra
05-02-2010, 06:25 PM
Where's Cleveland ;)

Melo15
05-02-2010, 06:33 PM
Well if it were me l would rank the teams as such.....
1. Miami- If you sign there you will be able to play with Dwayne Wade, Michael Beasley and be in a great city
2. Chicago- They have a good young core with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah
3. Clippers- They have a seemingly good core with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin and Baron Davis, but it is the Clippers so with their luck they will all get hurt.
4. Sacramento- Tyreke Evans looks like the real deal and they will also add a solid young player in the draft this year so it looks like a solid up and coming team.
5. New Jersey- With Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, Terrence Williams and other young players developing this team looks like with the right player it might be ready to make a giant leap forward.
6. New York- Obviously its a great market to play in but the fact is they don't have many players there to help a superstar contend. Dalino Gallinari looks like a promising young player but there isn't too much to be excited about other than that.
7. Washington- Tough situation to go into. You likely will be hearing a lot about the Gilbert Arenas situation which will cause a lot of distractions but if its the Gilbert of old it really isn't that bad of a spot. With Gilbert, Randy Foye, Al Thornton and a very promising looking Andray Blatche this team, with the right player added, could become a very solid team yet again.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-02-2010, 07:05 PM
Well if it were me l would rank the teams as such.....
1. Miami- If you sign there you will be able to play with Dwayne Wade, Michael Beasley and be in a great city
2. Chicago- They have a good young core with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah
3. Clippers- They have a seemingly good core with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin and Baron Davis, but it is the Clippers so with their luck they will all get hurt.
4. Sacramento- Tyreke Evans looks like the real deal and they will also add a solid young player in the draft this year so it looks like a solid up and coming team.
5. New Jersey- With Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, Terrence Williams and other young players developing this team looks like with the right player it might be ready to make a giant leap forward.
6. New York- Obviously its a great market to play in but the fact is they don't have many players there to help a superstar contend. Dalino Gallinari looks like a promising young player but there isn't too much to be excited about other than that.
7. Washington- Tough situation to go into. You likely will be hearing a lot about the Gilbert Arenas situation which will cause a lot of distractions but if its the Gilbert of old it really isn't that bad of a spot. With Gilbert, Randy Foye, Al Thornton and a very promising looking Andray Blatche this team, with the right player added, could become a very solid team yet again.

You must be living the G2 NYC Haterade lifestyle man, jeez. #6 ? ? ?

Can you tell me who was really that good on the Celtics besides pierce and Rondo b4 The Ticket and Allen stepped in ?? They could fill out a roster with more then happy applicants if a Lebron and another excellent player sign on.

Way too many people ignoring how appealing playing in NY can be.

Kakaroach
05-02-2010, 07:08 PM
The team with the best chance at a championship. Not whoever has the most cap space and crappy players.

arkanian215
05-02-2010, 11:04 PM
I'd say playing in NY has huge highs and could move them into a #1 spot if everything works out. By works out I mean, folks get along together and they get make the playoffs right off the bat and consistently getting better, but it has to be fast. Folks aren't going to wait around patiently.

I'd say #6 is a fair assessment if thing don't fall into place. The media is headline hungry and rips teams apart if they don't perform. There's the good with the bad here. The way the media has ridden the team and its players in the past shows how short of a leash you are on even if you come in with a great reputation (of course none of them are on the level that James, Wade etc are on).

NYK_kidd77
05-02-2010, 11:19 PM
Well if it were me l would rank the teams as such.....
1. Miami- If you sign there you will be able to play with Dwayne Wade, Michael Beasley and be in a great city
2. Chicago- They have a good young core with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah
3. Clippers- They have a seemingly good core with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffin and Baron Davis, but it is the Clippers so with their luck they will all get hurt.
4. Sacramento- Tyreke Evans looks like the real deal and they will also add a solid young player in the draft this year so it looks like a solid up and coming team.
5. New Jersey- With Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, Terrence Williams and other young players developing this team looks like with the right player it might be ready to make a giant leap forward.
6. New York- Obviously its a great market to play in but the fact is they don't have many players there to help a superstar contend. Dalino Gallinari looks like a promising young player but there isn't too much to be excited about other than that.
7. Washington- Tough situation to go into. You likely will be hearing a lot about the Gilbert Arenas situation which will cause a lot of distractions but if its the Gilbert of old it really isn't that bad of a spot. With Gilbert, Randy Foye, Al Thornton and a very promising looking Andray Blatche this team, with the right player added, could become a very solid team yet again.

I think someone is mad about the melo rumors ;)

cav_till_i_die
05-02-2010, 11:26 PM
I think someone is mad about the melo rumors ;)

Nah, just common sense

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-02-2010, 11:32 PM
Why would Melo want to go play in NY?? What great athlete has ever been successful in NYC anyways??? No pressure at all either. Loser town.

I mean I can't name anybody in their rite mind that would consider the prospect of winning a championship in the city of NY at all. Just a big town of losers with no tradition, no meaning of what winning at the highest level is.

Dare I say Cow Town?

NYK_kidd77
05-02-2010, 11:35 PM
Nah, just common sense

Someone is sore about the Lebron rumors. btw it was a joke.

cav_till_i_die
05-02-2010, 11:40 PM
Someone is sore about the Lebron rumors. btw it was a joke.

someones sore about everyone hating on the Knicks fans. ;)

NYK_kidd77
05-02-2010, 11:46 PM
someones sore about everyone hating on the Knicks fans. ;)

Yep lol

Lord Leoshes
05-03-2010, 12:17 AM
thats my rankings and Joel Bingham is a Bulls fan that writes for Hoopsworld.



Or he could join Wade, & Bosh in Miami & become a dynasty.:superman::superman::superman:

RipVW
05-03-2010, 12:31 AM
I think Miami is probably the most appealing because if they get someone good, that means theyll also be playing with Wade. I could be wrong but I doubt Lebron goes there though. I think Miami has an excellent shot at the PFs and/or PGs.

Lord Leoshes
05-03-2010, 12:35 AM
You must be living the G2 NYC Haterade lifestyle man, jeez. #6 ? ? ?

Can you tell me who was really that good on the Celtics besides pierce and Rondo b4 The Ticket and Allen stepped in ?? They could fill out a roster with more then happy applicants if a Lebron and another excellent player sign on.

Way too many people ignoring how appealing playing in NY can be.



You tell-em. In NY you get the opportunity to get mugged every night, & the luxury of having your close smell like pee all day long. & that's when your snot bubbles aren't frozen together cause of the blizzard :up:



I was born in Jersey, & lived in Queens, for a while till i got smart & moved to Miami.:clap:


But you enjoy your overpaid 1 bedroom apartments, where you hear everyone & their grandmother, while having to park 5 blocks away.

NY is fun to visit like a Circus/Freak Show, but i would never live there again. No thank you.

Lord Leoshes
05-03-2010, 12:39 AM
Why would Melo want to go play in NY?? What great athlete has ever been successful in NYC anyways??? No pressure at all either. Loser town.

I mean I can't name anybody in their rite mind that would consider the prospect of winning a championship in the city of NY at all. Just a big town of losers with no tradition, no meaning of what winning at the highest level is.

Dare I say Cow Town?



Did we just have an epiphany? :speechless:


JK,;)

Beltrans Mole
05-03-2010, 12:55 AM
Lebron is already a mega star in Cleveland. He would rise to iconic status in NYC or LA.

Toenail Clipper
05-03-2010, 01:00 AM
Where ever Wade or LeBron goes, the rest goes.

ldc62
05-03-2010, 04:11 AM
I would rather play in Miami than NY (hate snow). But you gotta have the ranking like this (top 3): 1A-Miami 1B-NY 2-Chicago. NewYork's bright lights and cultural diversity is too much to pass up on.

Southsideheat
05-03-2010, 11:02 AM
For sustained winning for the duration of a max contract i would go with

1) Chicago (Rose and Noah are babies and already all-star-type players)
2) Miami (Wade is already a star but has miles on him)
3) L.A. (Griffin could be a star if he's healthy)
4) N.J. (Devin Harris and Brook Lopez are Rose and Noah lite)
5) N.Y. (Gallinari could be really good, or could be Toni Kukoc)

Draco
05-03-2010, 11:08 AM
For sustained winning for the duration of a max contract i would go with

1) Chicago (Rose and Noah are babies and already all-star-type players)
2) Miami (Wade is already a star but has miles on him)
3) L.A. (Griffin could be a star if he's healthy)
4) N.J. (Devin Harris and Brook Lopez are Rose and Noah lite)
5) N.Y. (Gallinari could be really good, or could be Toni Kukoc)

Gallinari would be lucky to be as good as Toni was.

NBAfan4life
05-03-2010, 11:54 AM
Why would Melo want to go play in NY?? What great athlete has ever been successful in NYC anyways??? No pressure at all either. Loser town.

I mean I can't name anybody in their rite mind that would consider the prospect of winning a championship in the city of NY at all. Just a big town of losers with no tradition, no meaning of what winning at the highest level is.

Dare I say Cow Town?

When you say what great athlete I can think of a ton. See yankees and giants, but in terms of basketball players it has been a while.

Jetsguy
05-03-2010, 12:11 PM
You tell-em. In NY you get the opportunity to get mugged every night, & the luxury of having your close smell like pee all day long. & that's when your snot bubbles aren't frozen together cause of the blizzard :up:



I was born in Jersey, & lived in Queens, for a while till i got smart & moved to Miami.:clap:


But you enjoy your overpaid 1 bedroom apartments, where you hear everyone & their grandmother, while having to park 5 blocks away.

NY is fun to visit like a Circus/Freak Show, but i would never live there again. No thank you.

Yeah cause these guys are privy to the same living situation as bums like you:p

kidfury
05-03-2010, 12:39 PM
#1 Miami - Wade, weather, lax tax laws
#2 LA Clipppers - nice young roster, city, weather
#3 Chicago - Rose

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 12:43 PM
You tell-em. In NY you get the opportunity to get mugged every night, & the luxury of having your close smell like pee all day long. & that's when your snot bubbles aren't frozen together cause of the blizzard :up:



I was born in Jersey, & lived in Queens, for a while till i got smart & moved to Miami.:clap:


But you enjoy your overpaid 1 bedroom apartments, where you hear everyone & their grandmother, while having to park 5 blocks away.

NY is fun to visit like a Circus/Freak Show, but i would never live there again. No thank you.

Wow I don't know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you...I'll do both.

1)You can get mugged anywhere in the country. I feel safe b/c there is no greater law enforcement in the world than the NYPD...tho I hate em at the same time lol.

I don't wish to know why your clothes smelled like pee while you were living here, maybe you were homeless? but I'm sure your prob still a bit pissy in sunny florida...which sux for you when you factor in the humidity. good luck with that ;)

NY is great, you just failed at living here from what you lead on.

Jersey kid moves to NYC only to find himself over his head, then ends up in Florida...If I had a dollar for every time this scenario played out, I'd be a very very rich man.

"If you can make it NY you can make it anywhere"

Clearly you can't make it anywhere lol

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 12:48 PM
Gallinari would be lucky to be as good as Toni was.

Lucky? Really?

Toni was good.

Gallinari can be very good.

Nobody would be surprised if he becomes better than Toni K.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 12:50 PM
When you say what great athlete I can think of a ton. See yankees and giants, but in terms of basketball players it has been a while.

:facepalm: You need Sarcasm for Dummies

Asap.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 12:51 PM
yeah cause these guys are privy to the same living situation as bums like you:p

x2

nycsports2
05-03-2010, 01:04 PM
my top 3 would be 1 chi 2 nyc 3 sac........... mia is a good city to live in but there team really sux bad if it wasnt for wade.... anybody think wades not going to chi to contend for a ship???

DQL
05-03-2010, 01:22 PM
state tax is a huge advantage for Miami over other cities especially NYC. Last time I checked the tax rate in Miami is 35% (federal tax only) while it's 47.62% in NYC (35% federal, 8.97% state and 3.65% city tax).

For example max contracts for Wade, Lebron and Bosh will be 97.2M over 5 years. If playing in Miami they will pocket 63.2M while it's 50.9M in NYC. That's 12.3M more over 5 years.

mikantsass
05-03-2010, 01:35 PM
Here is my list:

1. Miami Heat...... DWade + max contract + south beach = Sign me up
2. New Jersey Nets......... Playing with an electric PG in Harris and the best young C in the game. You have the new billionaire owner and the move to Brooklyn
3. New York Knicks...... Money talks and NY has a lot of it. Plus Manhattan isnt too shabby either
4. Chicago Bulls...... Playing with Rose and Noah is enticing
5. L.A. Clippers..... Pretty good core, plus I hear life in LA is pretty nice
6. Sacramento Kings..... Good coach, young superstar in the making, good fanbase
7. Washington Wizards..... They are in shambles

RipVW
05-03-2010, 01:51 PM
NYC NJ/Brooklyn Miami Chicago Sacramento LA Clippers
Market Appeal/ Maximized Starpower X X X X
Short Term Success X X
Long Term Success X
Weather X X X
History/Cachet X X X



I put this together. I was generous to NY in history/cachet because they have solid history even if they dont have a lot of championships.

Does anyone disagree?

Understand, Im not saying this has any bearing on anything. Even though one city may have more to offer, a player may go to another place based purely on subjective preference...or because they weight the different pros and cons in their own way.

airforceones25
05-03-2010, 01:54 PM
the sig says it all!... we are all witnesses!

RipVW
05-03-2010, 01:58 PM
the sig says it all!... we are all witnesses!

The sig says you have the wrong jersey number.

airforceones25
05-03-2010, 02:06 PM
The sig says you have the wrong jersey number.

i was to lazy to make the 6 hahaha.. i actually did a crappy job on the whole thing. was like 2 min edit lol

Evolution23
05-03-2010, 02:22 PM
U guys need to understand that superstars like Lebron, Wade, Bosh aren't gona live in 1 bedroom apartments in the middle of brooklyn... They're probably gona have huge apartments in the mid town and probably mansions in Long Island. These guys are gona be millionaires which means they're not going to be shoveling snow, or driving in the snow. Cold weather isn't that bad because most normal people like the changes in season, not just 85 degrees all year around. That gets boring real fast. So this quality of life argument for Miami is simply not true...

scandaless2
05-03-2010, 02:27 PM
This is what a max FA has to look forward too ... the top five players on the team that is on payroll to play next season



CHICAGO

D.Rose (ALLSTAR)
J.Noah
L.Deng
K.Hinrich
T.Gibson


CLIPPERS

B.Davis
E.Gordon
B.Griffin
C.Kaman (ALLSTAR)
D.Jordan



NEW JERSEY


D.Harris
B.Lopez
T.Willams
Y.Jianlian
C.Lee


NEW YORK

W.Chandler
D.Gallinari
T.Douglas
B.Walker
?


MIAMI

B.Eazy
D.Cook
J.Jones
?
?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I would take my chances with Chicago

airforceones25
05-03-2010, 02:43 PM
This is what a max FA has to look forward too ... the top five players on the team that is on payroll to play next season



CHICAGO

D.Rose (ALLSTAR)
J.Noah
L.Deng
K.Hinrich
T.Gibson


NEW JERSEY


D.Harris
B.Lopez
T.Willams
Y.Jianlian
C.Lee


NEW YORK

W.Chandler
D.Gallinari
T.Douglas
B.Walker
?


MIAMI

B.Eazy
D.Cook
J.Jones
?
?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I would take my chances with Chicago
You forgot a major player!
Clippers
B.Davis
E.Gordon
B.Griffin(Potential ROY)
C.Kaman(ALLSTAR)
D.Jordan
Lottery Pick

scandaless2
05-03-2010, 02:45 PM
[QUOTE=airforceones25;13192622]You forgot a major player!
Clippers
B.Davis
E.Gordon
B.Griffin(Potential ROY)
C.Kaman(ALLSTAR)
D.Jordan
Lottery Pick[/QUMy fault , thanks for adding

awr0430
05-03-2010, 02:48 PM
This is what a max FA has to look forward too ... the top five players on the team that is on payroll to play next season



CHICAGO

D.Rose (ALLSTAR)
J.Noah
L.Deng
K.Hinrich
T.Gibson


NEW JERSEY


D.Harris
B.Lopez
T.Willams
Y.Jianlian
C.Lee


NEW YORK

W.Chandler
D.Gallinari
T.Douglas
B.Walker
?


MIAMI

B.Eazy
D.Cook
J.Jones
?
?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I would take my chances with Chicago

I wouldnt because other teams can improve its not about whose on the roster right now. And outside of Rose and Noah everyone on the Bulls is inconsistent. And they still need a low post threat. preferably a center so Noah can play power forward. Just my opinion.

Toenail Clipper
05-03-2010, 02:48 PM
You forgot a major player!
Clippers
B.Davis
E.Gordon
B.Griffin(Potential ROY)
C.Kaman(ALLSTAR)
D.Jordan
Lottery Pick

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
A Clipper homeboy!

airforceones25
05-03-2010, 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by Toenail Clipper
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
A Clipper homeboy!
haha.... the few the proud.... play loud :facepalm: hahah

scandaless2
05-03-2010, 02:56 PM
I wouldnt because other teams can improve its not about whose on the roster right now. And outside of Rose and Noah everyone on the Bulls is inconsistent. And they still need a low post threat. preferably a center so Noah can play power forward. Just my opinion.

Ok what do u think will happen if no Max FA goes to Miami.. What does Wade do, STAY? :eyebrow:

Toenail Clipper
05-03-2010, 02:58 PM
haha.... the few the proud.... play loud :facepalm: hahah

dont worry, we'll make the playoffs soon with the starting five, decent bench, blake griffin, and a top 8 draft pick this year!

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 02:59 PM
Here is my list:

1. Miami Heat...... DWade + max contract + south beach = Sign me up
2. New Jersey Nets......... Playing with an electric PG in Harris and the best young C in the game. You have the new billionaire owner and the move to Brooklyn
3. New York Knicks...... Money talks and NY has a lot of it. Plus Manhattan isnt too shabby either
4. Chicago Bulls...... Playing with Rose and Noah is enticing
5. L.A. Clippers..... Pretty good core, plus I hear life in LA is pretty nice
6. Sacramento Kings..... Good coach, young superstar in the making, good fanbase
7. Washington Wizards..... They are in shambles

Am I the only one in here who doesn't think Devin Harris is that great?

awr0430
05-03-2010, 02:59 PM
Ok what do u think will happen if no Max FA goes to Miami.. What does Wade do, STAY? :eyebrow:

Absolutely not i would leave too, however. Going to Chicago would not give him the best chance to win because there is still no low post threat. I think Chicago is better off goin after a PF than a guard who also dominates the ball.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 03:01 PM
NYC NJ/Brooklyn Miami Chicago Sacramento LA Clippers
Market Appeal/ Maximized Starpower X X X X
Short Term Success X X
Long Term Success X
Weather X X X
History/Cachet X X X



I put this together. I was generous to NY in history/cachet because they have solid history even if they dont have a lot of championships.

Does anyone disagree?

Understand, Im not saying this has any bearing on anything. Even though one city may have more to offer, a player may go to another place based purely on subjective preference...or because they weight the different pros and cons in their own way.

:facepalm:

keep your day job

scandaless2
05-03-2010, 03:05 PM
Absolutely not i would leave too, however. Going to Chicago would not give him the best chance to win because there is still no low post threat. I think Chicago is better off goin after a PF than a guard who also dominates the ball.

I agree with the low post thing.... i would much rather have Stat. or Bosh

RipVW
05-03-2010, 03:06 PM
:facepalm:

keep your day job

Why, whats wrong with it?

Pierzynski4Prez
05-03-2010, 03:21 PM
Absolutely not i would leave too, however. Going to Chicago would not give him the best chance to win because there is still no low post threat. I think Chicago is better off goin after a PF than a guard who also dominates the ball.

we really do prefer Bosh over Wade in a sense of team need. I just think that we will agree with whoever of Wade, LBJ, Bosh, or Stat commits first. It's not like we can afford to play the waiting game and risk losing on all of them.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2010, 03:24 PM
Am I the only one in here who doesn't think Devin Harris is that great?

Are you insane? Hes an amazing PG thas only a year removed from his all star season in which he proved what he could do if he had someone there to take some pressure off him like Carter did. Now he gets so much defensive attention that he seems to not be so good. Hes a great PG on a crap team. I hope the Nets keep him even if the Nets get Wall. I can even see him as Sixth Man of The Year. I wouldnt put him on the SG spot. Too small plus his shot is on and off. Let him come off the bench a la Manu

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 03:33 PM
Why, whats wrong with it?

***** weak, and its pretty obvious.

How is maximizing star potential the same in NJ as NY? or Chicago lol.

Dude you don't have a clue.

Just keep praying NY gets nothing so you can keep hating on the Knicks.

arkanian215
05-03-2010, 03:35 PM
Are you insane? Hes an amazing PG thas only a year removed from his all star season in which he proved what he could do if he had someone there to take some pressure off him like Carter did. Now he gets so much defensive attention that he seems to not be so good. Hes a great PG on a crap team. I hope the Nets keep him even if the Nets get Wall. I can even see him as Sixth Man of The Year. I wouldnt put him on the SG spot. Too small plus his shot is on and off. Let him come off the bench a la Manu

He's right. Devin Harris isn't that great. He can't be the number one scoring option. He did fine the year before being number two to VC.

Chill_Will_24
05-03-2010, 03:43 PM
He's right. Devin Harris isn't that great. He can't be the number one scoring option. He did fine the year before being number two to VC.

Who said anything about him being the first scoring option. Read my post again. I said he was at his best when he had a guy there to draw attention away from him. This Nets team is so bad teams can just zone defense all night and Devin will be screwed because hes like Raon Rondo in the sense that he can do everything but shoot consistently. A PG is not supposed to be a first option EVER. If your team has a PG as a first option imo i think it means you have an undersized SG or SF playing PG. PG are supposed to run the offense an Devin excells at that. He avarages 7ast per on this crappy team with no coach. That doesnt happen by accident you know? Hes top 10 PG in the league without a doubt

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 03:45 PM
Are you insane? Hes an amazing PG thas only a year removed from his all star season in which he proved what he could do if he had someone there to take some pressure off him like Carter did. Now he gets so much defensive attention that he seems to not be so good. Hes a great PG on a crap team. I hope the Nets keep him even if the Nets get Wall. I can even see him as Sixth Man of The Year. I wouldnt put him on the SG spot. Too small plus his shot is on and off. Let him come off the bench a la Manu

"Amazing" ?

Amazing happens when you get to the playoffs.

He's almost a top ten PG and is kinda fragile.

He's not amazing.

DMasta718
05-03-2010, 03:46 PM
You tell-em. In NY you get the opportunity to get mugged every night, & the luxury of having your close smell like pee all day long. & that's when your snot bubbles aren't frozen together cause of the blizzard :up:



I was born in Jersey, & lived in Queens, for a while till i got smart & moved to Miami.:clap:


But you enjoy your overpaid 1 bedroom apartments, where you hear everyone & their grandmother, while having to park 5 blocks away.

NY is fun to visit like a Circus/Freak Show, but i would never live there again. No thank you.

It's not the 80s - Mid 90s no more:rolleyes:

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 03:53 PM
It's not the 80s - Mid 90s no more:rolleyes:

I'd give my left nut to be back in NYC in the 80's lol. Best time of my life and many other people lol.

That dude from Jersey you quoted got chewed up and spit out by the big city back in the day and now he's in Miami prob still picking up he pieces lol.

scandaless2
05-03-2010, 03:55 PM
Who said anything about him being the first scoring option. Read my post again. I said he was at his best when he had a guy there to draw attention away from him. This Nets team is so bad teams can just zone defense all night and Devin will be screwed because hes like Raon Rondo in the sense that he can do everything but shoot consistently. A PG is not supposed to be a first option EVER. If your team has a PG as a first option imo i think it means you have an undersized SG or SF playing PG. PG are supposed to run the offense an Devin excells at that. He avarages 7ast per on this crappy team with no coach. That doesnt happen by accident you know? Hes top 10 PG in the league without a doubt

Not true

Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Gilbert Arenas
Magic Johnson
D.Will
Bob Cousy
Oscar Robertson.........



i can go on and on all was 1st option

Chicagofaithful
05-03-2010, 03:57 PM
Im a bulls fan first and foremost... if i were a FA

1. Clippers
2. Chicago
3. Miami
4. New York

I hesitate to put miami there, simply because last time i was there the city was really sketchy. I stayed in a beautiful hotel in downtown and did the whole south beach thing... but it was just grimy, like all joking aside there were prostitutes everywhere and it just seemed like an incredibly shallow place. I live In boston but have also lived in CHicago and New York and am moving to LA in august. I have no problems with any of those places. Its not a knock to heat fans, it is indeed beautiful its just i felt like i was in another country and it just wasn't for me

arkanian215
05-03-2010, 04:00 PM
Who said anything about him being the first scoring option. Read my post again. I said he was at his best when he had a guy there to draw attention away from him. This Nets team is so bad teams can just zone defense all night and Devin will be screwed because hes like Raon Rondo in the sense that he can do everything but shoot consistently. A PG is not supposed to be a first option EVER. If your team has a PG as a first option imo i think it means you have an undersized SG or SF playing PG. PG are supposed to run the offense an Devin excells at that. He avarages 7ast per on this crappy team with no coach. That doesnt happen by accident you know? Hes top 10 PG in the league without a doubt

He's not that great man. You watched the Nets this year and Brook was undoubtedly the number one option. What was the game plan? Feed the post and high pick and roll. He does have the ability to create for himself but wasn't good at creating for the other guys. An amazing point guard does both well. Derrick Rose, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul, Chauncey Billups (back in the day) would disagree with your assertion that your PG is never supposed to be your primary option. Their teams benefited from them being the goto guy.

SteveNash
05-03-2010, 04:03 PM
Im a bulls fan first and foremost... if i were a FA

1. Clippers
2. Chicago
3. Miami
4. New York

I hesitate to put miami there, simply because last time i was there the city was really sketchy. I stayed in a beautiful hotel in downtown and did the whole south beach thing... but it was just grimy, like all joking aside there were prostitutes everywhere and it just seemed like an incredibly shallow place. I live In boston but have also lived in CHicago and New York and am moving to LA in august. I have no problems with any of those places. Its not a knock to heat fans, it is indeed beautiful its just i felt like i was in another country and it just wasn't for me

Did you know that there have been the same number of murders in Chicago this year as US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? It's gotten so bad that state representatives have suggested calling in the national guard?

But yeah, I'm sure prostitutes would scare NBA players away from Miami.

RipVW
05-03-2010, 04:19 PM
***** weak, and its pretty obvious.

How is maximizing star potential the same in NJ as NY? or Chicago lol.
First of all, lets just begin with the fact that Chicago is the 3rd largest market in the US. Not only that, its in a time zone thats more aggreeable to both coast. But beyond that, the NBA's apex in terms of mass appeal was when Jordan was with the Bulls. After Jordan retired a lot of Jordan/Bulls fans stopped watching the NBA and it was eventually relegated to cable (except for the finals). If the Bulls were to be good again with an elite player, you might see those dormant Bulls fans re-emerge. And, when youre talking about the 90s Bulls, youre talkign global appeal beyond the 3rd largest market in the US. New York has New York, which is nothing to sneeze at. But when you talk about Chicago as a market and the cachet the Bulls carry in terms of dormant NBA fans, its huge.



Dude you don't have a clue.

If only you could back this up.


Just keep praying NY gets nothing so you can keep hating on the Knicks.

Like I said elsewhere, I actually hope the Knicks improve.

ramsizzle
05-03-2010, 04:34 PM
Did you know that there have been the same number of murders in Chicago this year as US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? It's gotten so bad that state representatives have suggested calling in the national guard?

But yeah, I'm sure prostitutes would scare NBA players away from Miami.

yes because an NBA athlete is gonna hang out in an isolate are where most murders happen...get over yourself...you are comparing one of the worst parts of the city that no NBA player or anyone with any form of a decent living would be around for more than a few minutes to the mecca of a city like Miami....Miami is south beach...without south beach Miami is literally' hot weather and .,...nothing? you want to start comparing downtown's? it'll be a no contest...Chicago's downtown is probably the best in the country.

thescore53
05-03-2010, 04:37 PM
Im a bulls fan first and foremost... if i were a FA

1. Clippers
2. Chicago
3. Miami
4. New York

I hesitate to put miami there, simply because last time i was there the city was really sketchy. I stayed in a beautiful hotel in downtown and did the whole south beach thing... but it was just grimy, like all joking aside there were prostitutes everywhere and it just seemed like an incredibly shallow place. I live In boston but have also lived in CHicago and New York and am moving to LA in august. I have no problems with any of those places. Its not a knock to heat fans, it is indeed beautiful its just i felt like i was in another country and it just wasn't for me

ye i felt the same way there's alot of homeless people in miami and they chill at beach pan handling it kinda felt weird but the miami natives were real comfortable with it.

Venomous88
05-03-2010, 04:45 PM
Well, it looks like Miami may become more desirable as Pat Riley hints that if he has to return to coaching for a free agent to come, he will.

http://www.******.com/src_wiretap_archives/66338/20100503/heat_extend_riley_who_hints_at_coaching/

Venomous88
05-03-2010, 04:46 PM
wth, real gm is censored?

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 04:53 PM
Not true

Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Gilbert Arenas
Magic Johnson
D.Will
Bob Cousy
Oscar Robertson.........



i can go on and on all was 1st option

Magic wasn't a first option for most of his career. Kareem ring a bell?

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 05:01 PM
Im a bulls fan first and foremost... if i were a FA

1. Clippers
2. Chicago
3. Miami
4. New York

I hesitate to put miami there, simply because last time i was there the city was really sketchy. I stayed in a beautiful hotel in downtown and did the whole south beach thing... but it was just grimy, like all joking aside there were prostitutes everywhere and it just seemed like an incredibly shallow place. I live In boston but have also lived in CHicago and New York and am moving to LA in august. I have no problems with any of those places. Its not a knock to heat fans, it is indeed beautiful its just i felt like i was in another country and it just wasn't for me

1. Clippers
2. Chicago
3. Miami
4. New York

From your pic and this post, how you listed these destinations makes perfect sense lol. (JOKING)

Did you have money when at these places? b/c NBA free agents will.

Tip: There's prostitutes everywhere.

You felt like you were in another country in Miami b/c you weren't used to seeing that many Latino people. You didn't feel like you were in another country, you felt like you weren't somewhere you were used to being at.

Try embracing Americas diversity sometimes, its a lotta fun.

arkanian215
05-03-2010, 05:10 PM
Did you know that there have been the same number of murders in Chicago this year as US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan? It's gotten so bad that state representatives have suggested calling in the national guard?

But yeah, I'm sure prostitutes would scare NBA players away from Miami.

That's what folks want you to believe. You're led into believe that murders are Just because there are the same number of murders in Chitown as the number of US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't mean that the murder rate is high. Think about how many folks live in Chicago and how many folks there are for every square mile. If it was that high in Fargo, ND, then it would be of legitimate concern.

113 murders so far and we're 1/3 of the way through the year. So if we kept going at this rate it'd be 339 for the entire year. Chicago had 448 back in 2005.

Sorry for the rant. I hate it when folks compare murders in a city to American troop death tolls. 53 died in the first three months out of about 190,000. Saying there are more murders in Chicago than of Americans in both Iraq and Afghanistan is misleading and sensationalist. What's bigger 113 deaths out of 2.8 million or 53 deaths in 190 thousand? Where ever you got your facts from would like to make you believe that the conditions in Chicago are similar to that which our soldiers are facing. It is far from that.

JordansBulls
05-03-2010, 05:15 PM
Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16116#ixzz0mngYOO4m


1)Miami 2)NYC 3)Chicago

I would say Miami then Chicago and then NY.

Chicago has a great crowd and will support all games and don't really boo their teams.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-03-2010, 05:15 PM
First of all, lets just begin with the fact that Chicago is the 3rd largest market in the US. Not only that, its in a time zone thats more aggreeable to both coast. But beyond that, the NBA's apex in terms of mass appeal was when Jordan was with the Bulls. After Jordan retired a lot of Jordan/Bulls fans stopped watching the NBA and it was eventually relegated to cable (except for the finals). If the Bulls were to be good again with an elite player, you might see those dormant Bulls fans re-emerge. And, when youre talking about the 90s Bulls, youre talkign global appeal beyond the 3rd largest market in the US. New York has New York, which is nothing to sneeze at. But when you talk about Chicago as a market and the cachet the Bulls carry in terms of dormant NBA fans, its huge.




If only you could back this up.



Like I said elsewhere, I actually hope the Knicks improve.

The fact that you're trying to compare NY to Chicago and busting "time zonage" to make your point is ridiculous. You're reaching, and your arms aint that long.

New York is the biggest market in the world for most things.

Sports
Finance
Entertainment

...You name it.

Please stop taking us back to the Jordan days when one guy held Chicago (a great city) on its shoulders. New York was bigger before, during, and after Jordan left.

You're really bugging to think a player could go to the bulls and ressurect anything jordan like unless he won to three peats and 6 finals MVP's...I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

New York has the distinction of being a place you go to as an athlete wanting to win on the biggest stage, not Chicago...why????

BECAUSE ITS NOT A BIGGER STAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...so just stop, please.

Chicago has a nice core of players, better than the knicks as it stands currently, but the appeal in terms of being better than NY stops there.

Jonathan2323
05-03-2010, 05:20 PM
I would say Miami then Chicago and then NY.

Chicago has a great crowd and will support all games and don't really boo their teams.

actually i change my mine Chicago is second because of the players they already have.

D1JM
05-03-2010, 05:27 PM
The fact that you're trying to compare NY to Chicago and busting "time zonage" to make your point is ridiculous. You're reaching, and your arms aint that long.

New York is the biggest market in the world for most things.

Sports
Finance
Entertainment

...You name it.

Please stop taking us back to the Jordan days when one guy held Chicago (a great city) on its shoulders. New York was bigger before, during, and after Jordan left.

You're really bugging to think a player could go to the bulls and ressurect anything jordan like unless he won to three peats and 6 finals MVP's...I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

New York has the distinction of being a place you go to as an athlete wanting to win on the biggest stage, not Chicago...why????

BECAUSE ITS NOT A BIGGER STAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...so just stop, please.

Chicago has a nice core of players, better than the knicks as it stands currently, but the appeal in terms of being better than NY stops there.

i think you said the most important thing right there. Knicks have a long long shot at winning a championship. Galli and chandler are nowhere as good as a core of rose, noah, deng, hinrich. I think most players want to win now, not help rebuilt and wait more years.

TheWatcher34
05-03-2010, 05:29 PM
in Miami you could have your yacht "parked" right outside right there beyond the modest backdoor lawn where you have BBQ parties. :up:

RipVW
05-03-2010, 06:07 PM
The fact that you're trying to compare NY to Chicago and busting "time zonage" to make your point is ridiculous. You're reaching, and your arms aint that long.

New York is the biggest market in the world for most things.

Sports
Finance
Entertainment

...You name it.

Please stop taking us back to the Jordan days when one guy held Chicago (a great city) on its shoulders. New York was bigger before, during, and after Jordan left.

You're really bugging to think a player could go to the bulls and ressurect anything jordan like unless he won to three peats and 6 finals MVP's...I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

New York has the distinction of being a place you go to as an athlete wanting to win on the biggest stage, not Chicago...why????

BECAUSE ITS NOT A BIGGER STAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...so just stop, please.

Chicago has a nice core of players, better than the knicks as it stands currently, but the appeal in terms of being better than NY stops there.



Once again. If only you could back this up. Like I said, the NBA's apex in terms of mass appeal was when Jordan was with the Bulls. That goes beyond Chicago and beyond anything in NY. There were a lot of people who stopped watching when Jordan retired. If the NBA can bring those fans back, they could expand the pie once again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association_Nielsen_ratings#Po st-Jordan_decline

Excerpt:


The retirement of Michael Jordan set in motion the decline in NBA ratings which continues today. Ratings for the 1999 NBA Finals (which in fairness, came after a lockout shortened season) were down significantly from the previous year, from an 18.7 to an 11.3. Primetime regular season games, which had become fairly routine (and highly-rated) during the Jordan years, set record lows for NBC once Jordan retired. With the rise of the Los Angeles Lakers in the early part of the 2000s, ratings improved, but never to the level of the Bulls' dynasty.The highest NBA Finals ratings on NBC after Jordan left was the 2001 Finals, which featured the dominant and then-defending champion Lakers versus the polarizing Allen Iverson and the underdog Philadelphia 76ers. The ratings for that series were a 12.1, still down 35 percent from 1998. NBC's last Finals, in 2002, came after a resurgence in playoff ratings (including a 14.2 rating for Game 7 of the Western Conference Finals). However, the Finals itself registered the lowest ratings the event had seen since 1981, topping out at a 10.2 average.



The New York Knicks made the finals in 1999, no? The 3 years prior to 1999 were the highest 3 years for the ratings of the NBA finals. It hasnt been over 10.0 since 2004, even with LA and Boston making it to the finals in 2008.

central2003
05-03-2010, 06:43 PM
I would go to CHI because its already a playoff team but if i am thinking future wise I would go to Sacramento because they look like they are starting to have a solid future core with a chance to pick maybe another poss star in the lottery plus who wouldnt want to play alongside superstar Tyreke evans .

mjt20mik
05-03-2010, 06:51 PM
Homers UNITE!

Pat Riley only wants to coach when the team is about to / can acquire big names. I remember him firing SVG, then making himself the head coach. That's when they got Shaq and won the championship.

central2003
05-03-2010, 07:30 PM
D wade will not stay in miami .. I dont know why people keep adding him as the attraction for the miami franchise because every one knows he will most likley go to CHI where Bulls will mimic the 2008 celtics to win a championship .. D-rose D-wade and dirk will take a pay cut for a ring ;) you guy remember you heard it here first from yours truly

shizzle09
05-03-2010, 07:40 PM
D wade will not stay in miami .. I dont know why people keep adding him as the attraction for the miami franchise because every one knows he will most likley go to CHI where Bulls will mimic the 2008 celtics to win a championship .. D-rose D-wade and dirk will take a pay cut for a ring ;) you guy remember you heard it here first from yours truly

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Hoopsadvocate
05-03-2010, 07:50 PM
Homers UNITE!

Pat Riley only wants to coach when the team is about to / can acquire big names. I remember him firing SVG, then making himself the head coach. That's when they got Shaq and won the championship.

Wrong.... People need to learnt there nba history or not post stupidity and slander a coaches good name. They had shaq the year before with wade and everyone else but they lost in the ECF to the pistons.The next year they were off to a poor start and thats when SVG was let go and Pat took over again rightly so if you had a hall of fame coach and a all star roster that wasnt fulfilling expectations and had a limited window to win a ring and your current coach was given a chance and didnt even make the finals i think you would put that hall of fame in play.

SteveNash
05-03-2010, 07:52 PM
yes because an NBA athlete is gonna hang out in an isolate are where most murders happen...get over yourself...you are comparing one of the worst parts of the city that no NBA player or anyone with any form of a decent living would be around for more than a few minutes to the mecca of a city like Miami....Miami is south beach...without south beach Miami is literally' hot weather and .,...nothing? you want to start comparing downtown's? it'll be a no contest...Chicago's downtown is probably the best in the country.

Every big city has bad parts too it and Miami certainly has loads of problems of it's own. Chicago just has tons of problems that make it unappealing at this point. Murder, corruption, racism. At least in south beach you do get the nice weather.


That's what folks want you to believe. You're led into believe that murders are Just because there are the same number of murders in Chitown as the number of US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't mean that the murder rate is high. Think about how many folks live in Chicago and how many folks there are for every square mile. If it was that high in Fargo, ND, then it would be of legitimate concern.

113 murders so far and we're 1/3 of the way through the year. So if we kept going at this rate it'd be 339 for the entire year. Chicago had 448 back in 2005.

Sorry for the rant. I hate it when folks compare murders in a city to American troop death tolls. 53 died in the first three months out of about 190,000. Saying there are more murders in Chicago than of Americans in both Iraq and Afghanistan is misleading and sensationalist. What's bigger 113 deaths out of 2.8 million or 53 deaths in 190 thousand? Where ever you got your facts from would like to make you believe that the conditions in Chicago are similar to that which our soldiers are facing. It is far from that.

The murder rate is extremely high in Chicago though I can see your point that people could find the figures misleading. Still, murders occur less frequently in the winter and thinks could really ramp up during the summer.


The New York Knicks made the finals in 1999, no? The 3 years prior to 1999 were the highest 3 years for the ratings of the NBA finals. It hasnt been over 10.0 since 2004, even with LA and Boston making it to the finals in 2008.

Knicks didn't have Jordan. NBA ratings suffered due to lockout.

JOSKOMANG4
05-03-2010, 07:53 PM
The NETS!!! They aren't playing in East Rutherford anymore..next season they'll be playing in Newark!!!

Lineup Outlook:

C) B.Lopez/ J.Boone
PF) Yi/Humphries
SF) T.Williams
SG) CDR4 / C.Lee
PG) D.Harris

IMO, that's a nice young lineup. Not to mention they have the eventual 1st overall pick in the draft. I can see them luring Bosh(max contract) to play PF for them.

JOSKOMANG4
05-03-2010, 07:55 PM
Btw.. Dwayne Wade is going to Chicago.

C) Noah
PF) T.Gibson/J.Johnson
SF) L.Deng
SG) D.Wade
PG) D.Rose/K.Hinrich(6th man)

JOSKOMANG4
05-03-2010, 08:02 PM
If Lebron decides to play for the LA Clippers.. that right there b/c a legitimate playoff contender.

C) Kaman/D.Jordon
PF) B.Griffin
SF) Lebron James
SG) E.Gordon/M.Collins
PG) B.Davis

central2003
05-03-2010, 08:30 PM
^^^ My point exactly D-wade will not stay in Miami ..

1.CHI
2.Sacramento
3.Los Angeles (because of the solid group that they already have or else I woud never go to the clippers)

arkanian215
05-03-2010, 08:50 PM
Every big city has bad parts too it and Miami certainly has loads of problems of it's own. Chicago just has tons of problems that make it unappealing at this point. Murder, corruption, racism. At least in south beach you do get the nice weather.



The murder rate is extremely high in Chicago though I can see your point that people could find the figures misleading. Still, murders occur less frequently in the winter and thinks could really ramp up during the summer.



Knicks didn't have Jordan. NBA ratings suffered due to lockout.
Yup for a big city, Chicago has a troubling murder rate. I'm not sure what's in the water over there.
http://daveferguson.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/18/chicago_river_green.jpg

Catfish1314
05-03-2010, 09:17 PM
Sac........ramento.

Shammyguy3
05-03-2010, 09:35 PM
Yup for a big city, Chicago has a troubling murder rate. I'm not sure what's in the water over there.
http://daveferguson.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/18/chicago_river_green.jpg

you're kidding, right? :eyebrow:

Every year for the St. Patrick's day parade, the city dyes the Chicago River Green. O, and for the record, Chicago has one of the cleanest fresh water supplies in the nation.

SteveNash
05-03-2010, 11:37 PM
Yup for a big city, Chicago has a troubling murder rate. I'm not sure what's in the water over there.

Fecal matter
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1490541/20040825/dave_matthews_band.jhtml

Lord Leoshes
05-04-2010, 12:42 AM
Wow I don't know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you...I'll do both.

1)You can get mugged anywhere in the country. I feel safe b/c there is no greater law enforcement in the world than the NYPD...tho I hate em at the same time lol.

I don't wish to know why your clothes smelled like pee while you were living here, maybe you were homeless? but I'm sure your prob still a bit pissy in sunny florida...which sux for you when you factor in the humidity. good luck with that ;)

NY is great, you just failed at living here from what you lead on.

Jersey kid moves to NYC only to find himself over his head, then ends up in Florida...If I had a dollar for every time this scenario played out, I'd be a very very rich man.

"If you can make it NY you can make it anywhere"

Clearly you can't make it anywhere lol


You may be used to it but i will never be.

Everywhere you go in NY it smells like crap, beer, puke, & piss, & everyone are rude obnoxious jerks who would rather spit on you the say hello.

New York is the ghetto of the USA (el culo del mundo).

if you want to be treated like crap move to New York.

Signs You're from New York


You say "the city" and expect everyone to know that this means Manhattan.


You secretly envy cabbies for their driving skill.


You have never been to the Statue of Liberty or the Empire State Building.


You can get into a four-hour argument about how to get from Columbus Circle to Battery Park at 3:30 on the Friday before a long weekend, but can't find Wisconsin on a map.


The homeless are invisible.


The subway makes sense.


The subway should never be called anything prissy, like the Metro.


You believe that being able to swear at people in their own language makes you multilingual.


You think $7.00 to cross a bridge is a fair price.


You've considered stabbing someone just for saying "The Big Apple".


Your door has more than three locks.


You go to a hockey game for the fighting. In the stands. To participate.


Your favorite movie has DeNiro in it.


The most frequently used part of your car is the horn.


You consider eye contact an act of overt aggression.


You call an 8' x 10' plot of patchy grass a yard.


You complain about having to mow it.


You are a skee-ball juggernaut.


You consider Westchester "Upstate".


You cried the day Ed Koch took over for Judge Wapner.

You think Central Park is "nature."

* You're paying $1,200 for a studio the size of a walk-in closet and you think it's a "steal."

* You've been to New Jersey twice and got hopelessly lost both times.

* You pay more each month to park your car than most people in the U.S. pay in rent.

* You go to dinner at 9 and head out to the clubs when most Americans are heading to bed.

* You have 27 different menus next to your telephone.

* Going to Brooklyn is considered a "road trip."

* America west of the Hudson is still theoretical to you.

* You're suspicious of strangers who are actually nice to you.

* You take a taxi to get to your health club to exercise.

* Your idea of personal space is no one actually standing on your toes.

* $50 worth of groceries fit in one paper bag.

* Your doorman is Russian, your grocer is Korean, your deli man is Israeli, your building super is Italian, your laundry guy is Chinese, your favorite bartender is Irish, your favorite diner owner is Greek, the watch seller on your corner is Senegalese, your last cabbie was Pakistani, your newsstand guy is Indian and your favorite falafel guy is Egyptian.

* You run when you see a flashing "Do Not Walk" sign at the intersection.

----------------------------
Oh Lordy!
A minister dies and, resplendent in his clerical collar and colorful robes, waits in line at the Pearly Gates. Just ahead of him is a guy dressed in sunglasses, a loud shirt, leather jacket, and jeans.

Saint Peter addresses this guy, "Who are you, so that I may know whether or not to admit you to the Kingdom of Heaven?"

The guy replies, "I'm Joe Green, taxi-driver, of Noo Yawk City."

Saint Peter consults his list, smiles and says to the taxi-driver, "Take this silken robe and golden staff, and enter into the Kingdom."

So the taxi-driver enters Heaven with his robe and staff, and the minister is next in line. Without being asked, he proclaims, "I am Michael O'Connor, head pastor of Saint Mary's for the last forty-three years."

Saint Peter consults his list and says, "Take this cotton robe and wooden staff and enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

"Just a minute," says the preacher, "that man was a taxi-driver, and you issued him a silken robe and golden staff. But I get wood and cotton. How can this be?"

"Up here, we go by results," says Saint Peter. "While you preached, people slept -- while he drove, people prayed."


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Neil Simon moved to LA about fifteen years ago, then moved back after a year. Asked the difference, he replied, "When it's 32 degrees in New York, it's 78 in Los Angeles. When it's 102 degrees in New York, it's 78 in Los Angeles. There are about two million interesting people in New York -- and 78 in Los Angeles."

Neil Simon. Writer.





George M. Cohan

"Give my regards to Broadway,/ Remember me to Herald Square./ Tell all the gang at Forty-second Street/ That I will soon be there."

-- Give My Regards to Broadway

George M. Cohan, Composer - lyrics and music





"This city here is like an open sewer. It's full of filth and scum."

-- Taxi Driver

Travis Bickle

(Robert DeNiro)





"New York is a great city to live in if you can afford to get out of it"

-- William Cole, 1992





"So here we are in New-York. To a Frenchman the aspect of the city is bizarre and not very agreeable. One sees neither dome, nor bell tower, nor great edifice, with the result that one has the constant impression of being in a suburb."

-- Journey to America, 1831

Alexis de Tocqueville





People say New Yorkers can't get along. Not true. I saw two New Yorkers, complete strangers, sharing a cab. One guy took the tires and the radio; the other guy took the engine

David Letterman





All of New York City is in the holiday spirit. Here’s an example. I ran into a mugger and he let me go as long as I promised to write him a check

David Letterman



No matter how many times I visit this great city I'm always struck by the same thing: a yellow taxi cab.

Scott Adams





"New York had all the iridescence of the beginning of the world. The returning troops marched up Fifth Avenue and girls were instinctively drawn East and North toward them -- this was the greatest nation and there was gala in the air."

F. Scott Fitzgerald





"New York makes one think of the collapse of civilization, about Sodom and Gomorrah, the end of the world. The end wouldn't come as a surprise here. Many people already bank on it."

-Saul Bellow



No other American city is so intensely American as New York."

-- North America

Anthony Trollope

Lord Leoshes
05-04-2010, 12:46 AM
Am I the only one in here who doesn't think Devin Harris is that great?


Well at least we agree on one thing.

Lord Leoshes
05-04-2010, 12:59 AM
I'd give my left nut to be back in NYC in the 80's lol. Best time of my life and many other people lol.

That dude from Jersey you quoted got chewed up and spit out by the big city back in the day and now he's in Miami prob still picking up he pieces lol.



Back in the 80s NY was great, but not no more. It still smelled like crap, the weather sucked, & everyone acted like rude @$$&$ but i made the best of it.

I don't know how old you are but NY hit rock bottom 15 years back.

Lord Leoshes
05-04-2010, 01:06 AM
Homers UNITE!

Pat Riley only wants to coach when the team is about to / can acquire big names. I remember him firing SVG, then making himself the head coach. That's when they got Shaq and won the championship.

Actually Shaq was the one that forced pat to fire SVG. & Pat only said about returning when a reporter asked him if one of the max player required pat to coach if they would sign & pat only said he would do whats best for the team.


But i understand it is always fun to make false accusations.

Chill_Will_24
05-04-2010, 01:11 AM
Not true

Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Gilbert Arenas
Magic Johnson
D.Will
Bob Cousy
Oscar Robertson.........



i can go on and on all was 1st option

I didnt say it doesnt happen. Im just saying its not the role that a PG is supposed to play. When that happens it means your team is bad and the PG is the best player on your team. Which isnt a bad thing but when looking at guys like Rondo, Harris, Nash, Kidd, those are PGs that are not meant to be the first option.

Sadds The Gr8
05-04-2010, 02:54 AM
wtf? I thought the Knicks had most cap space....never knew it was Miami. Now I really can't see Wade leaving.

JordansBulls
05-04-2010, 08:32 AM
If Lebron decides to play for the LA Clippers.. that right there b/c a legitimate playoff contender.

C) Kaman/D.Jordon
PF) B.Griffin
SF) Lebron James
SG) E.Gordon/M.Collins
PG) B.Davis

To be contenders we need more than Wade.

Stay_Swim
05-04-2010, 08:34 AM
Come on Milly's gotta be a hot destination right! ha lol

arkanian215
05-04-2010, 09:58 AM
you're kidding, right? :eyebrow:

Every year for the St. Patrick's day parade, the city dyes the Chicago River Green. O, and for the record, Chicago has one of the cleanest fresh water supplies in the nation.

lol it was sarcastic man:p ill leave a sarcasm note in white next time just to make sure you get it.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-04-2010, 06:12 PM
Back in the 80s NY was great, but not no more. It still smelled like crap, the weather sucked, & everyone acted like rude @$$&$ but i made the best of it.

I don't know how old you are but NY hit rock bottom 15 years back.

I'm not gonna go word for word in response to that monstrosity of a post you wrote, but I will say you don't know crap about my city and how great it is.

NY is bigger than some no-name schmoe on the PSD talking about how it smells like piss etc...very weak.

NY is great and manny people will agree, more so than not. New Yorkers are tough, street smart people, who live in a cultured state with amazing places and possibilities (like getting good free agents ;) ) Keep "trying" to hate on my City. #1 always gets knocked, this is nothing new.

Personally I just think your from Bizarro World...wait you are.

makes sense now.

Lord Leoshes
05-04-2010, 06:30 PM
I'm not gonna go word for word in response to that monstrosity of a post you wrote, but I will say you don't know crap about my city and how great it is.

NY is bigger than some no-name schmoe on the PSD talking about how it smells like piss etc...very weak.

NY is great and manny people will agree, more so than not. New Yorkers are tough, street smart people, who live in a cultured state with amazing places and possibilities (like getting good free agents ;) ) Keep "trying" to hate on my City. #1 always gets knocked, this is nothing new.

Personally I just think your from Bizarro World...wait you are.

makes sense now.




Like i said im from NY, so same difference. :facepalm:


& if New Yorkers weren't so uptight, & ill tempered you would of notice that most of that post was a joke. :rolleyes:

So when you get that bug out of you @$$, go back & read some of it cause you might actually find some of it amusing.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-04-2010, 06:33 PM
Back in the 80s NY was great, but not no more. It still smelled like crap, the weather sucked, & everyone acted like rude @$$&$ but i made the best of it.

I don't know how old you are but NY hit rock bottom 15 years back.

Dude you're from New Jersey and you're calling NYC the ghetto of America???????

The one group of people that cannot...repeat CANNOT have jokes on NYC are people from dirty azz Jersey lol.

You' were born in Jersey and moved to Miami???? lol I could only imagine how look and dress...You must be all over that TJ macks **** huh? Ax Sprayed up, prob drive a beat up 95 Corsica, rockin some loud orange Marino throwback and a visor. I bet you drink a **** load of Coors light huh? Dare I say socks and sandals????? you betcha.

...And chill with the lame comments and piffy quotes, fronting like you've ever been anything close to being a New Yorker or know about the city that chewed your jersey *** up one winter and spit you out at JFK airport with a one way ticket and a bruised ego.

You've mentioned the weather and how terrible it is like 4 times in here dude lol, whats a matter, you can't handle the changing seasons? lol You enjoy 365 days of humidity in Florida u cupcake.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-04-2010, 06:40 PM
Like i said im from NY, so same difference. :facepalm:


& if New Yorkers weren't so uptight, & ill tempered you would of notice that most of that post was a joke. :rolleyes:

So when you get that bug out of you @$$, go back & read some of it cause you might actually find some of it amusing.

Uptight? ill tempered? lol dude we're people just like every1else lol. All you're doing is throwing a bunch of played out stereotypes and quotes trying to be funny.

I get it lol, I know people think New York smells like piss, the rent is high, etc etc. But you're one corny dude lol no offense guy.

You aren't from NY, you're from Jersey, you told me already lol so don't front.

I did find some humor in the "westchester upstate thing" but it wasn't that original lol.

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-04-2010, 06:42 PM
wtf? I thought the Knicks had most cap space....never knew it was Miami. Now I really can't see Wade leaving.

They have to resign Wade too tho.

j-bay
05-04-2010, 06:45 PM
Go to DC lebron i'm sure he would love to play 1on1 with the prez everyday

thescore53
05-04-2010, 06:58 PM
Uptight? ill tempered? lol dude we're people just like every1else lol. All you're doing is throwing a bunch of played out stereotypes and quotes trying to be funny.

I get it lol, I know people think New York smells like piss, the rent is high, etc etc. But you're one corny dude lol no offense guy.

You aren't from NY, you're from Jersey, you told me already lol so don't front.

I did find some humor in the "westchester upstate thing" but it wasn't that original lol.

:clap:

Da Knicks
05-04-2010, 07:11 PM
New York New York make the money on the side... Too many people forget New York the biggest market to promote your products and get viewed by everyone in the world. Does an athlete want to be a billionaire? the one place to do it new york and now Italy is also home to the knicks because of gallinarri he already signed a contract with reebock just for playing in new york...

Ssshbliblibl00p
05-04-2010, 07:17 PM
Hating on NYC is like trying hate on Derek Jeter, sure theres deficiencies in his game, but you can't argue the dudes THE BEST!

godolphins
05-04-2010, 07:18 PM
Miami!!!!

Lord Leoshes
05-04-2010, 07:24 PM
Dude you're from New Jersey and you're calling NYC the ghetto of America???????

The one group of people that cannot...repeat CANNOT have jokes on NYC are people from dirty azz Jersey lol.

You' were born in Jersey and moved to Miami???? lol I could only imagine how look and dress...You must be all over that TJ macks **** huh? Ax Sprayed up, prob drive a beat up 95 Corsica, rockin some loud orange Marino throwback and a visor. I bet you drink a **** load of Coors light huh? Dare I say socks and sandals????? you betcha.

...And chill with the lame comments and piffy quotes, fronting like you've ever been anything close to being a New Yorker or know about the city that chewed your jersey *** up one winter and spit you out at JFK airport with a one way ticket and a bruised ego.

You've mentioned the weather and how terrible it is like 4 times in here dude lol, whats a matter, you can't handle the changing seasons? lol You enjoy 365 days of humidity in Florida u cupcake.


I'lived in the New Jersey/New York area for over 25 years. & i still have businesses up there.

I will repeat it for you. New York is the most ghetto, low life, dirty, smelly city in the USA.


People like to visit New York, the same reasons people slow down to see a bad car accident. because it,s a freak show.

If you want to be shocked, & entertained, you go to New York, but if you want a normal lifestyle, you need to get the hell away from that $#!t hole.



El Culo Cagao Del Mondo

Lord Leoshes
05-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Hating on NYC is like booing at the special Olympics!


fixed

rurichie
05-04-2010, 07:31 PM
I'lived in the New Jersey/New York area for over 25 years. & i still have businesses up there.

I will repeat it for you. New York is the most ghetto, low life, dirty, smelly city in the USA.


People like to visit New York, the same reasons people slow down to see a bad car accident. because it,s a freak show.

If you want to be shocked, & entertained, you go to New York, but if you want a normal lifestyle, you need to get the hell away from that $#!t hole.



El Culo Cagao Del Mondo

first of all people go to new york to see the big city city of lights no to see a car accident and there are parts of new york that are really nice and idk wtf your talking bout obviously you haven't been up here in a while
BTW the nets are no longer in East Rutherford now to Newark

thescore53
05-04-2010, 07:31 PM
New York New York make the money on the side... Too many people forget New York the biggest market to promote your products and get viewed by everyone in the world. Does an athlete want to be a billionaire? the one place to do it new york and now Italy is also home to the knicks because of gallinarri he already signed a contract with reebock just for playing in new york...

no italy is home to the raptors, two italians, go to nba italy all they talk about is the raptors

Lord Leoshes
05-04-2010, 10:34 PM
first of all people go to new york to see the big city city of lights no to see a car accident and there are parts of new york that are really nice and idk wtf your talking bout obviously you haven't been up here in a while
BTW the nets are no longer in East Rutherford now to Newark


To each his own, & everyone has the right to their own opinion. If you enjoy living there, then that's all that really matter.