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JordansBulls
04-27-2010, 05:25 PM
When someone says a player is a Game Changer, what does that imply to you?

To me it basically implies a guy who is a top 5-7 MVP candidate who puts up great numbers and can carry a team.

D Roses Bulls
04-27-2010, 05:28 PM
it means they can come into the game off the bench and change the style or tempo of the game

SteveNash
04-27-2010, 05:37 PM
Someone who changes the game. Doesn't have to be top 5-7 or contribute in a positive manner.

AI was never a top 5-7 player and was more of a negative than a positive, but I'd still consider him a game changer.

Geargo Wallace
04-27-2010, 05:55 PM
Someone who changes the game. Doesn't have to be top 5-7 or contribute in a positive manner.

AI was never a top 5-7 player and was more of a negative than a positive, but I'd still consider him a game changer.

Yes he was.

RipVW
04-27-2010, 05:56 PM
it means they can come into the game off the bench and change the style or tempo of the game

This.

A good example is JR Smith of Denver. When that guy is on, Denver is extremely difficult to beat.

SteveNash
04-27-2010, 05:58 PM
Yes he was.

I mean top 5-7 in terms of who is the best player. Not top 5-7 in FGA, or TO, or worse FG%.

MikefromMars
04-27-2010, 06:00 PM
I think it means he has that "switch"

He can play solid, but when he is in the zone... he can take over the entire game.

Manu, Terry, Allen...all good examples.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-27-2010, 06:01 PM
Someone who changes the game. Doesn't have to be top 5-7 or contribute in a positive manner.

AI was never a top 5-7 player and was more of a negative than a positive, but I'd still consider him a game changer.

MVP

Lead the 76ers to the NBA Finals, Made the 76ers relevent, helped lead Denver to they're best record in team history. yeah your right, not ever a top 5 player, more a - then a +

I really cannot stand idiots, who just listen to the media bash AI, or started paying attention to him after he left Denver.

MikefromMars
04-27-2010, 06:01 PM
Someone who changes the game. Doesn't have to be top 5-7 or contribute in a positive manner.

AI was never a top 5-7 player and was more of a negative than a positive, but I'd still consider him a game changer.

WHOA...AI is arguably the best player of his size ever. Unless you're referring to Iguodala.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-27-2010, 06:02 PM
I mean top 5-7 in terms of who is the best player. Not top 5-7 in FGA, or TO, or worse FG%.

:facepalm: LOL who keeps that stat?

kjoke
04-27-2010, 06:10 PM
they change games.

SteveNash
04-27-2010, 06:10 PM
MVP

Lead the 76ers to the NBA Finals, Made the 76ers relevent, helped lead Denver to they're best record in team history. yeah your right, not ever a top 5 player, more a - then a +

I really cannot stand idiots, who just listen to the media bash AI, or started paying attention to him after he left Denver.

Yeah, but we know the MVP is pretty meaningless and the voters get it wrong all the time. They just want a story, not who is the best. AI was surrounded by loads of talent when he went to the Finals. And every other playoff series he flamed out. I use my eyes to judge AI, not some silly media outlets that don't have a clue.

SteveNash
04-27-2010, 06:12 PM
WHOA...AI is arguably the best player of his size ever. Unless you're referring to Iguodala.

Gheorghe Muresan is the best player of his size, who cares. What does that have to do with anything?

ManRam
04-27-2010, 06:16 PM
I don't think there is a formula or set criteria for a "game changer".

Matt Barnes can be a game changer. Kyle Korver can be a game changer. LeBron can be a game changer. Chris Andersen can be a game changer. You get the point.

Raps08-09 Champ
04-27-2010, 06:16 PM
Anyone who gives the other team trouble.

MikefromMars
04-27-2010, 06:21 PM
Gheorghe Muresan is the best player of his size, who cares. What does that have to do with anything?

Great response.:eyebrow: Is it hard to understand height is an advantage in basketball??? If A. I. kept his skills and was 7'7" or whatever Gheorghe Muresan was... he would have been the greatest of all time.

Pound for Pound AI is among the best to do it. He was amazing.

The point is AI was def a top 5-7 player in the league... I think you have a short term memory.

OBredskin
04-27-2010, 06:34 PM
Yeah, but we know the MVP is pretty meaningless and the voters get it wrong all the time. They just want a story, not who is the best. AI was surrounded by loads of talent when he went to the Finals. And every other playoff series he flamed out. I use my eyes to judge AI, not some silly media outlets that don't have a clue.

I'm not sure a team of, Aaron McKie, Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, Theo Ratliff, Eric Snow, Toni Kukoc, Jumaine Jones, Dikembe Mutombo, and Todd MacCulloch can qualify as 'loads of talent'.

Sadds The Gr8
04-27-2010, 07:02 PM
Game changer to me is someone that once they catch "fire", they can change a game, or change the whole tempo of a game. So any dangerous or streaky offensive player. To me you don't have to be a star to be a game changer, just a good offensive player. To me some examples of game changers who aren't stars are:

J.R. Smith
Jamal Crawford
Al Harrington
Monta Ellis
Lamar Odom
Jason Terry

Those are just a few that come to mind, but yea those guys are game changers IMO.

D_Rose1118
04-27-2010, 07:24 PM
I mean top 5-7 in terms of who is the best player. Not top 5-7 in FGA, or TO, or worse FG%.

what are you talking about...AI was arguably the best player in the league in his hey day, and single handily took them to the finals, and his legendary performance in game one of the finals cements him as a game changer, not that he wasnt before or anything

JordansBulls
04-27-2010, 08:04 PM
I mean top 5-7 in terms of who is the best player. Not top 5-7 in FGA, or TO, or worse FG%.

2001 he was at least a top 3-5 player for sure.

Raoul Duke
04-27-2010, 08:21 PM
It doesn't make me think of MVP type players. I actually hear it most when referring to bench guys with lots of energy. Guys that come in and almost single-handedly turn up the defensive pressure or speed the offense up.

So basically it makes me think of a guy who comes in and drastically alters either the overall speed or intensity of a game with his energy.

Raph12
04-27-2010, 08:48 PM
Anyone who changes the game in any way, period.

JordansBulls
04-27-2010, 11:23 PM
It doesn't make me think of MVP type players. I actually hear it most when referring to bench guys with lots of energy. Guys that come in and almost single-handedly turn up the defensive pressure or speed the offense up.

So basically it makes me think of a guy who comes in and drastically alters either the overall speed or intensity of a game with his energy.

I can agree with this.

albertc86
04-28-2010, 12:55 AM
Why overanalyze the term "game changer"? It's self-explanatory. It doesn't have to be a superstar or all-star; it's just a player whose presence alone can cause other teams to change their strategy.

blastmasta26
04-28-2010, 01:42 AM
Someone who can have a profound effect on the game and changes the outcome significantly.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-28-2010, 11:37 AM
Yeah, but we know the MVP is pretty meaningless and the voters get it wrong all the time. They just want a story, not who is the best. AI was surrounded by loads of talent when he went to the Finals. And every other playoff series he flamed out. I use my eyes to judge AI, not some silly media outlets that don't have a clue.


So last 10 MVP's were also meaningless? And those last 10 or so players werent the best player?

AI was surrounded by loads of talent?!?!?!?!? OMG!!!! I guarentee u can't name the starters on that 76er team. your a clown! and bein judgemental makes u no better then tha person ur judgin.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-28-2010, 11:40 AM
2001 he was at least a top 3-5 player for sure.

2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, AI had better season's then his MVP year

Chi City23
04-28-2010, 12:04 PM
To me a 'Game Changer' is a player that comes off the bench and is a specialist., defensive, 3pt shooter, shot blocker, rebounder etc.. who changes the flow of the game or changes how the other team runs it's defensive or offensive sets and gets the other team out of rhythem.

G-Funk
04-28-2010, 01:23 PM
A player who changes the outcome of the game either by scoring, intensity, defense or assists.

ballpd05
04-28-2010, 02:07 PM
Game changer is anyone who can consistently come in and change the game.

A guy who can change not only the tempo, but can change the whole mindset and gameplan of the other team. Somebody who at any point in time come in and spark his team (non-superstar) or will his team to victory (superstar).

AIMelo=KillaDUO
04-28-2010, 03:12 PM
A game changer is obviously a player who can come in and change the game.

Toenail Clipper
04-28-2010, 03:14 PM
A game changer is obviously a player who can come in and change the game.

lol

SteveNash
04-28-2010, 06:02 PM
Great response.:eyebrow: Is it hard to understand height is an advantage in basketball??? If A. I. kept his skills and was 7'7" or whatever Gheorghe Muresan was... he would have been the greatest of all time.

Pound for Pound AI is among the best to do it. He was amazing.

The point is AI was def a top 5-7 player in the league... I think you have a short term memory.

Who cares what size he was? I judge his play, I don't overrate him because he was he chose to be team cancer and had to be forced into SG.


I'm not sure a team of, Aaron McKie, Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, Theo Ratliff, Eric Snow, Toni Kukoc, Jumaine Jones, Dikembe Mutombo, and Todd MacCulloch can qualify as 'loads of talent'.

Great defensive talent that would have been better on offense had they not played with AI.


2001 he was at least a top 3-5 player for sure.

Let's look at the Win Shares for 2001 shall we?

Shaq 14.9
Dirk 14.6
Allen 13.7
Duncan 13.2
Malone 13.1
Carter 12.9
Francis 12.2
McGrady 12.2
Robinson 12.2
KG 12.1
Iverson 11.8

Top 5 at least?

JordansBulls
04-29-2010, 12:53 PM
Who cares what size he was? I judge his play, I don't overrate him because he was he chose to be team cancer and had to be forced into SG.



Great defensive talent that would have been better on offense had they not played with AI.



Let's look at the Win Shares for 2001 shall we?

Shaq 14.9
Dirk 14.6
Allen 13.7
Duncan 13.2
Malone 13.1
Carter 12.9
Francis 12.2
McGrady 12.2
Robinson 12.2
KG 12.1
Iverson 11.8

Top 5 at least?

What about his PER and WS? Also he played 70 games so his WS is going to be a little bit lower as it is a cumulative stat.