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NetsPaint
04-25-2010, 06:06 PM
Part 1: I've seen people say this about LeBron as if he's just a streaky shooter.

Part 2: I know the top players of all time (Jordan/Kobe) are praised for their all around game, but why when a list comes out such as best shooters, why aren't they on it? Just because that's not your only specialty doesn't mean they aren't up there.

NYK_kidd77
04-25-2010, 06:12 PM
I dont think hes a bad shooter its just that making him be a jump shooter is probably the best way to defend him.

Hawkeye15
04-25-2010, 06:17 PM
answers:
Part 1- because LeBron WAS a bad shooter. He is no longer. But anti LeBron fans still tend to point this out as a difference between him and Kobe, or Melo, or whomever. When in reality, LeBron had a better shooting year than any other star out there. THe dude is a shooter now as well.

Part 2- because the greatest shooters have tended to be snipers. Players who get looks off breakdowns, and knock them down with efficiency. Nash is one of the few exceptions, and very well may be the best shooter of all time. But MJ, Kobe, LeBron, these guys dont have the pure percentages from long distance to justify being called a top shooter

Jahari Kavi
04-25-2010, 06:22 PM
kobe and jordan are better mid range shooters than lebron...if you check their percentages it's actually close at the 3 point line.......

Ethix11
04-25-2010, 06:28 PM
LeBron is a great shooter. In fact, Dwyane Wade made 5 3pt shots in the final quarter to beat Boston today. Ive seen LeBron take uncomfortable shots before and make them. If these players wanted to be specialists, they very well could be the best if only they werent already the best all around.

_KB24_
04-25-2010, 06:30 PM
See Reggie Miller.

Hawkeye15
04-25-2010, 06:31 PM
^great point Ethix11. The best shooters of all time are snipers, who spend their whole summer and season shooting, period. That is their job. Nick call

EaglesJackson10
04-25-2010, 06:48 PM
Lebron is just a below average 3 point shooter even this year the league average this year was 35.5% and he shot 33.3% from three. I would say that the best way to guard this guy is to make him shoot the three considering his FG% was 50% this year. People say he can't shoot because he is a below average 3 point shooter. But don't say that Kobe is above average because he is also streaky like Lebron he shot 32.9% this year. The people say Kobe is a great shooter is because he goes on tears where he can make like 5 in a row.

People don't list Top players as top shooters because they aren't alot of the time.
Going by players who would be considered top players(Lebron, Durant, Melo, Kobe, Wade) only one of them shot above the league average in 3 point percentage (Durant).

That doesn't mean that these guys aren't great shooter they just aren't listed with the great shooters who shoot great 3 point percentagess uch as Kyle Korver, Mike Miller, and Steph Curry. I think alot of them are great mid range shooters they just aren't the top 3 point shooters.

gangis2169
04-25-2010, 06:55 PM
Statistically Lebron has shot well under 40% from the field (Outside of the key) for his career so yes I would say he is not a great shooter. Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Ginobli, Arenas, and tons of others for shot over 40% for there career. The difference is that Lebron shoots like 70% from the field inside the key which makes him a 50% shooter from the field. Plain and simple if teams can keep him out of the paint its an automatic loss for Cleveland we have seen it every year in the playoffs. This is why they cant make it over the hump to win it all. But I do think this is there year there is no competition the Lakers are getting old and are hurt, the Celtics are old period, Denver are headcases, and really its just them and the Magic. CAKEWALK!

ARMIN12NBA
04-25-2010, 07:00 PM
answers:
Part 1- because LeBron WAS a bad shooter. He is no longer. But anti LeBron fans still tend to point this out as a difference between him and Kobe, or Melo, or whomever. When in reality, LeBron had a better shooting year than any other star out there. THe dude is a shooter now as well.

No, he didn't. His mid-range and long range shooting stats are still not good. Check out Hoopsdata. Lebron did not shoot better from mid-range than Kobe or Durant this past year.

ARMIN12NBA
04-25-2010, 07:01 PM
Lebron is just a below average 3 point shooter even this year the league average this year was 35.5% and he shot 33.3% from three. I would say that the best way to guard this guy is to make him shoot the three considering his FG% was 50% this year. People say he can't shoot because he is a below average 3 point shooter. But don't say that Kobe is above average because he is also streaky like Lebron he shot 32.9% this year. The people say Kobe is a great shooter is because he goes on tears where he can make like 5 in a row.

Yes, but Kobe's mid-range is well above average.

Geargo Wallace
04-25-2010, 07:05 PM
ppl say he's a bad shooter because that's the only edge Kobe has on him.

EaglesJackson10
04-25-2010, 07:05 PM
Yes, but Kobe's mid-range is well above average.

Yes his ability to make contested mid-range jumpshots is IMO what sets him apart from Lebron as a shooter.

LEBRON_KING_23
04-25-2010, 07:11 PM
I think it's safe to say Lebron has surpassed Kobe as a shooter as well now.
numbers dont lie kids, numbers dont lie.

ARMIN12NBA
04-25-2010, 07:14 PM
I think it's safe to say Lebron has surpassed Kobe as a shooter as well now.
numbers dont lie kids, numbers dont lie.

This is pretty contradictory as the numbers show Kobe is still a better shooter.

fadedmario
04-25-2010, 07:19 PM
I'm sick of Lebron threads

fadedmario
04-25-2010, 07:20 PM
I think it's safe to say Lebron has surpassed Kobe as a shooter as well now.
numbers dont lie kids, numbers dont lie.

You obviously have no idea what your talking about

Reversed86Curse
04-25-2010, 07:21 PM
Statistically Lebron has shot well under 40% from the field (Outside of the key) for his career so yes I would say he is not a great shooter. Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Ginobli, Arenas, and tons of others for shot over 40% for there career. The difference is that Lebron shoots like 70% from the field inside the key which makes him a 50% shooter from the field. Plain and simple if teams can keep him out of the paint its an automatic loss for Cleveland we have seen it every year in the playoffs. This is why they cant make it over the hump to win it all. But I do think this is there year there is no competition the Lakers are getting old and are hurt, the Celtics are old period, Denver are headcases, and really its just them and the Magic. CAKEWALK!

I agree with the bolded part- after that, it's just a rant

Look at LBJ's FG% outside of the paint and then make an opinion

EaglesJackson10
04-25-2010, 07:41 PM
I think it's safe to say Lebron has surpassed Kobe as a shooter as well now.
numbers dont lie kids, numbers dont lie.

It's really not safe to say at all. I don't have the numbers right now but Im pretty sure Kobe has a better FG% outside of the paint.

EaglesJackson10
04-25-2010, 07:50 PM
It's also an exaggeration to say that Lebron has really improved his 3 point % that much. His rookie year he was a very bad three point shooter. But since his second year he really has not improved that much as a 3 point shooter. His best year as a 3 point shooter was actually his 2nd year. So while he made the improvement from rookie to sophomore year he has actually regressed since then.

D Roses Bulls
04-25-2010, 08:14 PM
I think it's safe to say Lebron has surpassed Kobe as a shooter as well now.
numbers dont lie kids, numbers dont lie.




This is pretty contradictory as the numbers show Kobe is still a better shooter.

hmmmm this is reminding me of something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZx2r3ISuKA&feature=related

RipVW
04-25-2010, 08:44 PM
First of all, there is a difference between scoring and shooting. Your great players are often better scorers than shooters because theyre able to attack the rim in addition to being a good (but not elite) shooter.

Its more important to be a good scorer. The ability to get to the rim is what smooths out the times when the shot is not falling. Also, the ability to get to the rim, leads to more open mid range or three point shots, since the defense has to respect your ability to beat defenders when going to the basket. So scorers get more respect when it comes to space. And even with that advantage, their 3 pt shooting is often not better than that of elite spot up shooters.

You could almost say that elite players should not be elite shooters because they should attack the rim whenever possible. More good things happen when you attack the rim than when you settle for jumpers. You can give the defense fouls, create 3 pt plays, and go to the free throw line.

Jaji
04-25-2010, 10:12 PM
Lebron is just a below average 3 point shooter even this year the league average this year was 35.5% and he shot 33.3% from three. I would say that the best way to guard this guy is to make him shoot the three considering his FG% was 50% this year. People say he can't shoot because he is a below average 3 point shooter. But don't say that Kobe is above average because he is also streaky like Lebron he shot 32.9% this year. The people say Kobe is a great shooter is because he goes on tears where he can make like 5 in a row.

People don't list Top players as top shooters because they aren't alot of the time.
Going by players who would be considered top players(Lebron, Durant, Melo, Kobe, Wade) only one of them shot above the league average in 3 point percentage (Durant).

That doesn't mean that these guys aren't great shooter they just aren't listed with the great shooters who shoot great 3 point percentagess uch as Kyle Korver, Mike Miller, and Steph Curry. I think alot of them are great mid range shooters they just aren't the top 3 point shooters.

Durant is a top player and a top shooter.

jwm923
04-25-2010, 10:24 PM
People base LeBron's shooting off his statistical field goal percentage. What that statistic doesn't include is the range he is shooting from. Watching LJ it is obvious that he prefers to drive to the paint. His field goal percentage is calculated the same he shoots a 3 footer or 15 footer. Find his statistical percentage from differant ranges then compare.

Hawkeye15
04-25-2010, 10:37 PM
No, he didn't. His mid-range and long range shooting stats are still not good. Check out Hoopsdata. Lebron did not shoot better from mid-range than Kobe or Durant this past year.

nope, he didnt. But his true shooting percentage was far higher than Kobe's, in fact, higher than Kobe has ever shot, and Durant was inches ahead of LeBron, and Durant is considered one of the top shooters in the league. Is LeBron as good at 19 feet as Kobe or Kevin? No. But he is good enough, and his in the paint completion rate blows both of them away.

ARMIN12NBA
04-26-2010, 12:02 AM
nope, he didnt. But his true shooting percentage was far higher than Kobe's, in fact, higher than Kobe has ever shot, and Durant was inches ahead of LeBron, and Durant is considered one of the top shooters in the league. Is LeBron as good at 19 feet as Kobe or Kevin? No. But he is good enough, and his in the paint completion rate blows both of them away.

His in the paint completion does blow everybody away, but that doesn't make him a better SHOOTER.

Hawkeye15
04-26-2010, 12:45 AM
His in the paint completion does blow everybody away, but that doesn't make him a better SHOOTER.

but I already said, or wrote, LJ isn't the same shooter at 18 feet that Kobe or Durant is, but his is far good enough to make defenders respect him at a rate where his paint game is always there. All that being said, I doubt he ever has to become the shooter that those two are, there is probably no need.

natelpete
04-26-2010, 12:54 AM
as he gets older and cant get to the rim like he can now, he will develop a sick jump shot

ElMarroAfamado
04-26-2010, 01:56 AM
answers:
Part 1- because LeBron WAS a bad shooter. He is no longer. But anti LeBron fans still tend to point this out as a difference between him and Kobe, or Melo, or whomever. When in reality, LeBron had a better shooting year than any other star out there. THe dude is a shooter now as well.

Part 2- because the greatest shooters have tended to be snipers. Players who get looks off breakdowns, and knock them down with efficiency. Nash is one of the few exceptions, and very well may be the best shooter of all time. But MJ, Kobe, LeBron, these guys dont have the pure percentages from long distance to justify being called a top shooter

:facepalm::facepalm:

tr4shb0t
04-26-2010, 02:17 AM
1 - Since he is a good 3 pt shooter you could argue he is a good shooter overall, he just hasn't put in as much work with the mid-range game. If you look at his shooting chart for this season he shoots mid-range about as well as he shoots the 3. He is still a pretty streaky shooter and he shoots better at home. He doesn't really have to have a great mid-range game anyway as much as he gets to the rim.

2 - I haven't noticed that

sventhedog
04-26-2010, 06:02 AM
I think it's safe to say Lebron has surpassed Kobe as a shooter as well now.
numbers dont lie kids, numbers dont lie.

number's don't lie? how come it lies enough to fool you.
kids? only a kid would think dunks and layups don't boost your fg%

of course he has improved a lot as a shooter, but as far as i can remember they are counting all scores inside the 3pt line as FG. no mid range fg, no lay-up/dunk fg.

another thing is if you look at his jumpshot objectively and compare it with kobe, you don't need a professional to see the difference.

i can see you're a lebron fan, but the fact still remains. lebron is still a kid. he will try anything to get peoples attention. he puts his time trying to think of new show-off moves or what ever dance steps he can do in the court.

i'm not a scientist but if you compare player A, developing his shooting stroke the whole day to player B, developing his shooting stroke in the morning then trying to come up with stunts/dance steps/whatever at night. i think it's safe to say player A would likely be a better shooter. wouldn't you agree?

up to this point, if you would pick lebron to take the last mid range game-winning shot over carmelo durant or kobe. there are only 2 possibilities: you're a lebron fan or you're stupid.

save the knicks
04-26-2010, 07:29 AM
Shooting is a natural ability. Lebron could practice all day and never have the silky sweet shot of a Ray Allen or Reggie Miller.

Sure he shoots a high % but thats only because FG% counts layups and dunks the same as jumpers. Check out hoopdata.com they actually break it down into shot locations. Using Hoopdata its clear that Lebron fg% is a result of his ungodly ability to Finnish near the hoop. His jumper is pretty average.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-26-2010, 07:32 AM
Shooting is a natural ability. Lebron could practice all day and never have the silky sweet shot of a Ray Allen or Reggie Miller.

Sure he shoots a high % but thats only because FG% counts layups and dunks the same as jumpers. Check out hoopdata.com they actually break it down into shot locations. Using Hoopdata its clear that Lebron fg% is a result of his ungodly ability to Finnish near the hoop. His jumper is pretty average.

this

lexworld2009
04-26-2010, 08:07 AM
I'm tired of this lebron & kobe debate everybody riding the bron wagon wants to say he's better on defense and is now a better shooter......are we serious yes he has always been a more willing passer doesn't mean he is better Kobe just has more of a scorers mentality , better defender well if u consider someone that just block shots from behind sure and better shooter well when you get more than 70% from the paint then yeah he'll shooting % will be higher , simple fact Kobe has always been the better shooter mid-range and further, Kobe is by far the better one on one defender bron still can't guard anyone straight up, and why is it that everyone keeps forgetting Kobe is shooting the ball this year with only 3 good fingers on is shooting hand huh, that is just a fact KObe is still the best in the league period ask any other player to do what he is doing with his injuries and see what happens I for one thinks Kobe should've gotten his fingers fixed during the season but hey we shall see what happens.

holocaust227
04-26-2010, 09:19 AM
Shooting is a natural ability. Lebron could practice all day and never have the silky sweet shot of a Ray Allen or Reggie Miller.

Not really

Double_R
04-26-2010, 09:31 AM
Not really

Yea, Really

J-Relo
04-26-2010, 09:38 AM
Part 1: I've seen people say this about LeBron as if he's just a streaky shooter.

Part 2: I know the top players of all time (Jordan/Kobe) are praised for their all around game, but why when a list comes out such as best shooters, why aren't they on it? Just because that's not your only specialty doesn't mean they aren't up there.

Jordan has never been a great shooter, he was a good one for sure and and incredible scorer so that's how it goes...

J-Relo
04-26-2010, 09:39 AM
Shooting is a natural ability. Lebron could practice all day and never have the silky sweet shot of a Ray Allen or Reggie Miller.

Sure he shoots a high % but thats only because FG% counts layups and dunks the same as jumpers. Check out hoopdata.com they actually break it down into shot locations. Using Hoopdata its clear that Lebron fg% is a result of his ungodly ability to Finnish near the hoop. His jumper is pretty average.

do you PLAY basketball? from when shooting is natural ability? :mad: