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Hellcrooner
04-16-2010, 11:26 AM
I mean.

Everytime someone wants to bash a player and cant find enugh argumnts to back up their position they go back to say " He has no D"

Im thinking in something.

If you make a TOp 5 PF thread most people will vote for this Five players

Duncan, DIrk, Pau, Bosh, Stoudamire ( SOme will vote Boozer or Kg but not many)


DOnt you find ironic that 4 of the the top 5 players in a position are REGULARY critizised for their Defense?

Ive heard people talk bout Gasoft time and time ive heard peole say Bosh will never be a top player and ral franchise because f his D ive hear people bash Dirk for his D too and Stou well its a common place to say his D is non existant.

Is it really so?

DO they really ahve no D?

How can players that are considered top 20 not have D?


OR is it waht im saying that D is just an xcuse to BAsh basing on some Intangibles that cant be shown n stats?

Hawkeye15
04-16-2010, 11:34 AM
defense should absolutely be factor when deciding who is better between players. But you had better have an explanation for youre reasoning, and be able to back it up. You can't just blindly call it.

flea
04-16-2010, 11:37 AM
Well 4 of those guys do have problems on the defensive end. None of them are really awful, but none of them are assets either. Pau is probably the best of the 4 and he's still only half as good as Duncan. Stat, Bosh, and Boozer just don't seem to care much and Dirk is soft.

Hawkeye15
04-16-2010, 11:40 AM
truthfully, there aren't a ton of players who are great all around players. Dirk and Amare are so good offensively, they will remain top 15 players. But the top spots are reserved for players who are great at both ends.

FOBolous
04-16-2010, 11:43 AM
hellcooner is just mad because European players suck on defense.

BlondeBomber41
04-16-2010, 11:46 AM
Yeah, of course.

Dallas for years was a top 10 defensive team and it wasn't bigs who gave us problems, its was guards.... yet people acted like Dirk was some liability defensively. Like its his job to stop Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Steve Nash etc.

Carey
04-16-2010, 11:47 AM
defense should absolutely be factor when deciding who is better between players. But you had better have an explanation for youre reasoning, and be able to back it up. You can't just blindly call it.

Well said

flea
04-16-2010, 11:49 AM
Yeah, of course.

Dallas for years was a top 10 defensive team and it wasn't bigs who gave us problems, its was guards.... yet people acted like Dirk was some liability defensively. Like its his job to stop Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Steve Nash etc.

It is his job to protect driving lanes (something he does very poorly). Hence the heartbreaking finals loss, Wade's huge performance, and Kobe's dominance. Not saying it's all his fault, but it's not like it's totally on wing defenders to stop a superstar.

Avenged
04-16-2010, 11:51 AM
The top 5 PF's are decent at best at defending (except Duncan). Players are pretty much rated overall. Dirk is arguably the best PF in the game (some can argue Duncan, I know how respected he is on PSD :p) because of his offensive skill and even though his D isn't anything spectacular, it isn't the worse. It seems like players are ranked more because of their offensive ability more than their D, BUT if you have both those assets to your game, you will be ranked at the top of the list.

Hawkeye15
04-16-2010, 11:52 AM
Yeah, of course.

Dallas for years was a top 10 defensive team and it wasn't bigs who gave us problems, its was guards.... yet people acted like Dirk was some liability defensively. Like its his job to stop Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Steve Nash etc.

Dirk gets a lot of heat for being a poor defender, when in reality he isn't all that bad.

Sly Guy
04-16-2010, 11:55 AM
D is always an excuse to bash. And rightfully so.

BlondeBomber41
04-16-2010, 11:55 AM
It is his job to protect driving lanes (something he does very poorly). Hence the heartbreaking finals loss, Wade's huge performance, and Kobe's dominance. Not saying it's all his fault, but it's not like it's totally on wing defenders to stop a superstar.

You cant put that on him, he cant be that player even if he wants to be.

The guy is by far the most important player on the team, he cant be trying to stop superstars everytime they drive. He'd get in foul trouble and thats the last thing we need. Its more on our centers to do that, asking Dirk to do it regularly would hurt the team.

Dirk is actually a pretty damn solid 1 on 1 defender. He wont make any All NBA Teams but his defense has improved by leaps and bounds.

flea
04-16-2010, 12:01 PM
You cant put that on him, he cant be that player even if he wants to be.

The guy is by far the most important player on the team, he cant be trying to stop superstars everytime they drive. He'd get in foul trouble and thats the last thing we need. Its more on our centers to do that, asking Dirk to do it regularly would hurt the team.

Dirk is actually a pretty damn solid 1 on 1 defender. He wont make any All NBA Teams but his defense has improved by leaps and bounds.

I'm not putting it all on him, but he's got to do something. His lateral movement and positioning on defense is poor and his low-blocking numbers for a 7-footer as athletic as he is are a joke. I know blocks aren't everything but if you aren't even a threat to block then people will go after you.

You're right though, he's not terrible. He's at least adequate, and PF is not really a defense-first position. All I was saying was that criticism of those PF's defense is not unfounded, no matter whose fault it is.

Hawkeye15
04-16-2010, 12:06 PM
good point flea. KG and Duncan have made the PF position seem like a defenders position, when in reality, a classic PF is supposed to score and rebound. You get some great defenders here and there, but typically, a PF is an average defender.

Raph12
04-16-2010, 12:35 PM
defense should absolutely be factor when deciding who is better between players. But you had better have an explanation for youre reasoning, and be able to back it up. You can't just blindly call it.

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