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poleandreel
04-15-2010, 05:28 PM
Im a mets fan but im gonna say:

Ron Gardenhire. the guy wins with not that much talent. until mauer broke out he didnt really have anyone. and last year was all him.

Worst manager is probably ozzie guillen. good team and can never win

cheerio
04-15-2010, 05:31 PM
Not a fan of Guillen either

Zaunnie
04-15-2010, 05:31 PM
Dusty Baker

He's the best at ruining great young pitching arms.

Nymfan87
04-15-2010, 05:34 PM
Mike Scioscia. All he does is win 90+ games year after year.

mdlr52192
04-15-2010, 05:36 PM
Mike Scioscia. All he does is win 90+ games year after year.

This

mavwar53
04-15-2010, 05:46 PM
Mike Scioscia. All he does is win 90+ games year after year.

Yes, works with the group of talent he has very well

Ian.
04-15-2010, 05:48 PM
Mike Scioscia. All he does is win 90+ games year after year.

Does he do it all on his own?

Knucklz
04-15-2010, 05:48 PM
Mike Scioscia /thread

CityofTreez
04-15-2010, 05:50 PM
ron washington

Ian.
04-15-2010, 05:51 PM
Jerry Manuel

Pierzynski4Prez
04-15-2010, 05:52 PM
sciocia and gardenhire, that's it.

Ron!n
04-15-2010, 05:53 PM
sciocia and gardenhire, that's it.
Id have to agree.

the_jon
04-15-2010, 06:03 PM
If I could choose I would take Ron Gardenhire. Scioscia always has more talent.

jaysfan4ever
04-15-2010, 06:04 PM
Scoscia, Gardenhire, Torre

Skippy15
04-15-2010, 06:11 PM
LaRussa

mnrlgry
04-15-2010, 06:17 PM
LaRussa

Zmaster52
04-15-2010, 06:24 PM
Scoscia > LaRussa > Francona > Gardenhire

brandonwarne52
04-15-2010, 06:31 PM
LOL @ Twins having no one. Never heard of Cuddyer, Kubel, Morneau, Span?

Jim Leyland gets my vote.

Zaunnie
04-15-2010, 06:57 PM
scoscia > larussa > cox > francona > gardenhire

Fixed.

Philly4life84
04-15-2010, 07:01 PM
Chhhaaarrrrlllllliieeeeeee

Ian.
04-15-2010, 07:20 PM
Nobody. The talent wins games.

Yendil
04-15-2010, 07:31 PM
Sweet Lou! His ejections are legendary

MetsFanatic19
04-15-2010, 07:48 PM
Scoscia > LaRussa > Francona > Gardenhire

bullseye

Kyle916
04-15-2010, 07:56 PM
It's not Bochy...

whitesoxfan83
04-15-2010, 08:29 PM
LaRussa gets my vote (keeping in mind him and Duncan are a package pair)

Honorable mentions go to Scoscia, Leyland, and Gardenhire.

Personally I find both Cox and Francona overrated.

Kinsm
04-15-2010, 08:39 PM
Bobby Cox

YankeeFan28
04-15-2010, 08:41 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Scoscia is a bit overrated?

Kinsm
04-15-2010, 08:44 PM
Someone please move the current thread into this one, since I've added a poll.

chickendinner11
04-15-2010, 08:45 PM
LOL @ Twins having no one. Never heard of Cuddyer, Kubel, Morneau, Span?

Jim Leyland gets my vote.

forget about a little guy named mauer?

Tribe
04-15-2010, 08:45 PM
Scoscia, Larussa, and Torre...I really like Leyland 2 he is old school

chickendinner11
04-15-2010, 08:47 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Scoscia is a bit overrated?

why is scioscia overrated? he's brought his style of play and made it work really well for the angels. he didn't make big changes to the roster when he got there he sort of took what he had and made it work.

(DET)#1 ALL DAY
04-15-2010, 08:49 PM
ron washington but someones got to tell him to stop trying to sniff the foul lines.


Really tho i got to say no one they all get paid to do nothing really all of us can manage a baseball game

palmsguy225
04-15-2010, 08:50 PM
i love how franconas on here and charlie manuel isnt haha

CQSox305
04-15-2010, 08:50 PM
Gardenhire. I will also add that I think Ozzie is for sure in the bottom 3 of managers, that guy pisses me off so much!

runforrestrunx9
04-15-2010, 08:52 PM
how is charlie not on here?

YankeeFan28
04-15-2010, 08:54 PM
why is scioscia overrated? he's brought his style of play and made it work really well for the angels. he didn't make big changes to the roster when he got there he sort of took what he had and made it work.

Honestly, I don't think a baseball manager adds anything to on field value during games. It's decided by a pitcher. A manager's job is to play the odds to his advantage, but at the end of the day, the player's have to perform.

Not to mention, his style of baseball is overrated. He throws away outs with his sacrifice bunts, his teams steal bases at average rate (around 70-72% the last 5 years) and he's thrived on a division that has had poor teams for a long period of time.

ZachAttack89
04-15-2010, 09:01 PM
No love for Charlie Manuel?

Yankees Suck
04-15-2010, 09:14 PM
Does he do it all on his own?

He pretty much does. Ask the Mariners they seem to allow Angel fans to break out the brooms every series.

Yankees Suck
04-15-2010, 09:17 PM
i love how franconas on here and charlie manuel isnt haha

Maybe if the Phillies won both their World Series appearances instead of getting taken to the shed against the Yanks, Charlie Manuel would make the list.

natelpete
04-15-2010, 09:19 PM
gardy

Kinsm
04-15-2010, 10:11 PM
how is charlie not on here?

I forgot him when I made the poll to add to this guys original thread.

Deal with it.

Ian.
04-15-2010, 10:30 PM
Honestly, I don't think a baseball manager adds anything to on field value during games. It's decided by a pitcher. A manager's job is to play the odds to his advantage, but at the end of the day, the player's have to perform.

Not to mention, his style of baseball is overrated. He throws away outs with his sacrifice bunts, his teams steal bases at average rate (around 70-72% the last 5 years) and he's thrived on a division that has had poor teams for a long period of time.

:clap:

You said everything I would have said.


He pretty much does. Ask the Mariners they seem to allow Angel fans to break out the brooms every series.

Right, since they swept us only once in 2009.

Managers don't win games. Talent wins games.

Kinsm
04-15-2010, 11:01 PM
Honestly, I don't think a baseball manager adds anything to on field value during games. It's decided by a pitcher. A manager's job is to play the odds to his advantage, but at the end of the day, the player's have to perform.

Ha, tell that to Dusty Baker. A manager is in control of 2 things that have a major impact on W-L, lineup creation ("walks clog bases") and bullpen managment.

agoody117
04-15-2010, 11:26 PM
Dusty baker!

lol yeah...

not.

infernoscurse
04-15-2010, 11:47 PM
Billy Martin

SPEF311
04-16-2010, 12:07 AM
Charlie Manuel, Joe Girrardi, Joe Maddon, Jim Tracy

MDfootball36
04-16-2010, 12:10 AM
Girardi :laugh:

VRP723
04-16-2010, 12:16 AM
I voted Dusty Baker for kicks, but anyone who voted Torre should be thrown off PSD for life

whitesoxfan83
04-16-2010, 12:25 AM
I just dont get when people say managers have no effect on the game, its just the players.

When Kotsay is batting 5th on your team I feel like the managers have something to do with that.

It seems to me like managers around here can only **** things up.

They lose games because they make bad lineups and bullpen decisions.

But when their team wins games its all because the players showed up.

Wow it sucks *** to be a manager.

dvda 89
04-16-2010, 12:29 AM
Not that i think hes the best manager in baseball but Jim Tracy has done a hell of a job with Colorado in the short times hes been there. Also i dont think Baker , Piniella or Francona should be up there. (Probably just saying this about Francona because he was manager of the Phillies when they were god awful lol.) Anyway i voted for Scioscia but i also like LaRussa and Gardenshire and of course Charlie.

BaustinSali08
04-16-2010, 12:31 AM
Girardi :laugh:

Him and his new shiny and silver world series....braces :facepalm:

Pinstripe pride
04-16-2010, 09:06 AM
Gardenhire, Scoscia and LaRussa in that order. they constitantly do the most with the least

Pinstripe pride
04-16-2010, 09:07 AM
LOL @ Twins having no one. Never heard of Cuddyer, Kubel, Morneau, Span?

Jim Leyland gets my vote.

I hear that Mauer guy is pretty good too......

todu82
04-16-2010, 09:21 AM
Mike Scioscia

YankeeFan28
04-16-2010, 09:24 AM
Ha, tell that to Dusty Baker. A manager is in control of 2 things that have a major impact on W-L, lineup creation ("walks clog bases") and bullpen managment.

Alright, a manager can do more harm to his team then good when it comes to results on a field. He plays the odds and stays out of the way, his team will likely succeed. If he makes stupid moves, well then...

ShockerArt
04-16-2010, 09:42 AM
Dusty Baker is an option :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

theslick1
04-16-2010, 10:11 AM
Ron Gardenhire wasn't on the list, so I voted for the closest thing I could find: Ron Gardenshire.

theslick1
04-16-2010, 10:13 AM
why is scioscia overrated? he's brought his style of play and made it work really well for the angels. he didn't make big changes to the roster when he got there he sort of took what he had and made it work.

Managers generally don't make roster changes. That's the GM's job.

Scioscia has benefitted from playing in a division with bad teams. His teams get exposed in the post-season. Only one championship despite annual post-season appearances.

Brooklyn Mets
04-16-2010, 10:21 AM
LaRussa
Torre
Scoscia

Kinsm
04-16-2010, 11:18 AM
Dusty Baker is an option :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

When you're 27th all time in wins as a manager (16 of those ahead of him are already HOF'ers and at least 3 more will be), and have won manager of the year awards 3 times you make this kind of list.

Whether you or I find him overrated has no bearing on the matter.

Kinsm
04-16-2010, 11:22 AM
Managers generally don't make roster changes. That's the GM's job.

Scioscia has benefitted from playing in a division with bad teams. His teams get exposed in the post-season. Only one championship despite annual post-season appearances.

IMHO he isn't overrated, but you have a point. Every year he has a higher chance of making the playoffs than any other teams in the bigs (with the exception of SEA, TEX, and OAK ofcourse).

AllTimeBest
04-16-2010, 11:39 AM
Scoscia is amazing.

Ian.
04-16-2010, 11:47 AM
Scoscia is amazing.

How so? Seriously?

Zaunnie
04-16-2010, 11:54 AM
How so? Seriously?

he's good in the sack.

flea
04-16-2010, 11:57 AM
Scoscia is a good manager, but remember that the AL West has been very weak since the early 2000s. Francona is barely adequate as a manager, and honestly I have trouble saying an AL-only manager is best because the game is so easy to manage there. Especially when your team is top 3 in payroll.

I'd still say La Russa, he gets amazing performances out of players that are basically garbage and has a way of turning peoples' careers back in line. He also turned an 83-win team into World Series champions, and it was largely his managing guile that helped in the playoffs. He is able to capitalize on every opportunity for a competitive advantage. His sole weakness may be bullpen over-management, but virtually every manager is criticized for bullpen usage at some point simply because bullpens are not very good.

My number 2 would probably be Joe Maddon (for some reason not even on the list when jokes like Dusty Baker and Francona are) or Bobby Cox.

ShockerArt
04-16-2010, 12:08 PM
When you're 27th all time in wins as a manager (16 of those ahead of him are already HOF'ers and at least 3 more will be), and have won manager of the year awards 3 times you make this kind of list.

Whether you or I find him overrated has no bearing on the matter.

I don't care how many wins or awards he has. He makes a lot of low-percentage decisions and shows a blatant disregard for any new or advanced methods of baseball analysis. Ask any savvy baseball analyst to rank the current managers and he will end up near the bottom. Don't use media awards as a measuring stick for anything, especially in baseball.

Ian.
04-16-2010, 12:11 PM
I don't care how many wins or awards he has. He makes a lot of low-percentage decisions and shows a blatant disregard for any new or advanced methods of baseball analysis. Ask any savvy baseball analyst to rank the current managers and he will end up near the bottom. Don't use media awards as a measuring stick for anything, especially in baseball.

You win.

Kinsm
04-16-2010, 12:49 PM
I don't care how many wins or awards he has. He makes a lot of low-percentage decisions and shows a blatant disregard for any new or advanced methods of baseball analysis. Ask any savvy baseball analyst to rank the current managers and he will end up near the bottom. Don't use media awards as a measuring stick for anything, especially in baseball.

Guess what, he's the manager of the team I root for. So you don't have to tell me how boneheaded the toothpick is. The fact remains 27th all time in wins deserves to be on this stupid poll.

Ian.
04-16-2010, 12:53 PM
Guess what, he's the manager of the team I root for. So you don't have to tell me how boneheaded the toothpick is. The fact remains 27th all time in wins deserves to be on this stupid poll.

Shocking. Thanks for leaving bias at the door.

CAIN=FUTURE
04-16-2010, 12:57 PM
Dusty Baker

He's the best at ruining great young pitching arms.

True that, but he sure could bring veterans together and win. When he was in SF he was a great manager.

CAIN=FUTURE
04-16-2010, 12:58 PM
Best manager though is Ron Gardenshire, Mike Scioscia.

KingWario
04-16-2010, 01:02 PM
I went with gardenhire here he has his team in it every year with the least talent, 2nd is scioscia, and 3rd is larussa!


Side note!


I want it to be know that Joe Torre is easily hands down the most overrated manager in the history of major league baseball! You Yankee and dodger fans can be all pissed If you want but just look at it...in his 14 seasons of managing pre-New York Yankees he managed the mets, braves, and cardinals, and in those 14 seasons only had 4 winning seasons and a mere 1 playoff appearance in which they were swept out! Then in '96 he magically gets signed by the Yankees and inherits a stacked team with an owner who pays out the *** for whoever he wants and Torre somehow wins a world series and AL manager of the year award after 14 seasons of mediocrity? I say fluke manager! I would be considered one of the greatest managers ever as well had I been managing a team that annually buys an allstar at whatever needed position! In 12 seasons with the yanks 6 WS appearances and 4 wins and made it to the post season every one of those years then goes on to the dodgers who are also stacked with young talent and in his first year has a beast of manny ramirez just fall into his lap and wins the division in each of his first 2 seasons? He's mediocre at best and the most overrated manager ever I just want you people to see and understand this! 2nd place easily goes to his successor girardi and 3rd is francona! All 3 of these managers managed bought teams and didn't have to manage at all!

Thank you!

Ian.
04-16-2010, 01:05 PM
:sigh:

Kinsm
04-16-2010, 01:06 PM
Shocking. Thanks for leaving bias at the door.

Perhaps you didn't read the rest of my comment. Do you still think it's bias when I say I hope Castellini fires his sorry *****?

:facepalm:

JDink24
04-16-2010, 01:06 PM
Though I wouldnít have voted for him I feel as though Charlie Manuel should be on the list. Of course he has an immensely talented team but as a manager itís up to you to get the most out of your team. A lot of managers have great teams and do nothing with them because they donít connect with their players thus making for an unhealthy clubhouse. Charlie has the respect of everyone in that locker room and all the guys support his decisions even the questionable ones (benching J-Roll for not hustling and showing up late for a game.) Like I said I donít think he is the best manager but I think he defiantly belongs on that list.

Yendil
04-16-2010, 01:09 PM
I voted for Sweet Lou... Why??? Because talent and performance wins games. So I judged them by other factors, like getting the team fired up. How do you do that? Ejections baby! Lou is the man at that!

Ian.
04-16-2010, 01:10 PM
Perhaps you didn't read the rest of my comment. Do you still think it's bias when I say I hope Castellini fires his sorry *****?

:facepalm:

I read the whole comment and I stand by it. Remember 2007 when Chien-Ming Wang won 19 games? Miguel Batista won 16?

Ian.
04-16-2010, 01:10 PM
I voted for Sweet Lou... Why??? Because talent and performance wins games. So I judged them by other factors, like getting the team fired up. How do you do that? Ejections baby! Lou is the man at that!

:nod:

flea
04-16-2010, 01:12 PM
I voted for Sweet Lou... Why??? Because talent and performance wins games. So I judged them by other factors, like getting the team fired up. How do you do that? Ejections baby! Lou is the man at that!

Actually Bobby Cox is "the man" at that.

igPay atinLay
04-16-2010, 01:26 PM
The topic creator says in the original post he's a Met's fan.

He leaves off the Phillies manager Charlie Manager.

How can you leave off a coach that has had multiple MVP players, gold glovers, silver sluggers, won the division 3 years in a row and the conference 2 years in a row including 1 world series. Is this just a Met's fans unwillingness to be objective because I doubt you could forget the coach of your main rival.

igPay atinLay
04-16-2010, 01:28 PM
I voted Dusty Baker for kicks, but anyone who voted Torre should be thrown off PSD for life


I'm asking a sincere question here.

How can a Dodgers fan not be happy with Joe Torre?

He's been quite successful and the young guys have developed a decent amount under Joe.

Yendil
04-16-2010, 01:29 PM
Actually Bobby Cox is "the man" at that.

getting thrown out the most doesn't make you the best. Lou has the best ejections

brandonwarne52
04-16-2010, 01:58 PM
I hear that Mauer guy is pretty good too......

Duh, ya think? Someone mentioned it was Mauer and no one else. Maybe you should read the whole thread.

Ian.
04-16-2010, 02:18 PM
The topic creator says in the original post he's a Met's fan.

He leaves off the Phillies manager Charlie Manager.

How can you leave off a coach that has had multiple MVP players, gold glovers, silver sluggers, won the division 3 years in a row and the conference 2 years in a row including 1 world series. Is this just a Met's fans unwillingness to be objective because I doubt you could forget the coach of your main rival.

:laugh2:

He made them all into those, right?

get real.

ShockerArt
04-16-2010, 02:23 PM
The topic creator says in the original post he's a Met's fan.

He leaves off the Phillies manager Charlie Manager.

How can you leave off a coach that has had multiple MVP players, gold glovers, silver sluggers, won the division 3 years in a row and the conference 2 years in a row including 1 world series. Is this just a Met's fans unwillingness to be objective because I doubt you could forget the coach of your main rival.

Manuel had nothing to do with those great individual performances. I'm not saying Manuel is or isn't a good manager. It's just that those players (Utley, Howard, Rollins) would have been great under any manager.

igPay atinLay
04-16-2010, 02:37 PM
Manuel had nothing to do with those great individual performances. I'm not saying Manuel is or isn't a good manager. It's just that those players (Utley, Howard, Rollins) would have been great under any manager.

Fair point but a good to great manager puts players in a position to be successful and gets them playing the way they should be. I believe some of the success of the individual players does belong to Charlie because its not just 1 or 2 guys he seems to get a lot out of everyone on the roster. Rollins may not have been great, Howard may not have focused so much on his defense and trying to reduce strikeouts and well I completely agree with you on Utley if it wasn't for Charlie.

The team unity and performance does fall to varying degrees on the Coach and to think otherwise is naive in my opinion.

Ian.
04-16-2010, 02:38 PM
Fair point but a good to great manager puts players in a position to be successful and gets them playing the way they should be. I believe some of the success of the individual players does belong to Charlie because its not just 1 or 2 guys he seems to get a lot out of everyone on the roster. Rollins may not have been great, Howard may not have focused so much on his defense and trying to reduce strikeouts and well I completely agree with you on Utley if it wasn't for Charlie.

The team unity and performance does fall to varying degrees on the Coach and to think otherwise is naive in my opinion.


He makes a batting order and puts them on the field. Everything they do on the field is of their own doing and from their own talents and skills. We're being naive?

DodgerBlue8188
04-16-2010, 03:13 PM
I voted LaRussa but I need to change my vote. I didn't even see Scoisia

DaSox_05
04-16-2010, 03:17 PM
Gardenhire

/thread

1-800-STFU
04-16-2010, 03:20 PM
I lol'd at the Dusty Baker option.

How dare you clog my bases!!!

CQSox305
04-16-2010, 03:22 PM
I lol'd at the Dusty Baker option.

How dare you clog my bases!!!

Ozzie doesnt want people on base either, unless they are fast. Him and Dusty are both fools!

The Ooh Child
04-16-2010, 03:33 PM
I read the whole comment and I stand by it. Remember 2007 when Chien-Ming Wang won 19 games? Miguel Batista won 16?

He said he was a Reds fan to illustrate that he has first hand knowledge of Baker being a ******. You admit your post was a fail immediately.

Also, Larry Bowa FTW

Lincecum
04-16-2010, 03:39 PM
It's not Bochy...

this lol

stretchedmonkey
04-16-2010, 03:42 PM
Gardenhire, Scoscia, Tracy

2009mvp
04-16-2010, 03:43 PM
Mike Scioscia. He manufactures runs. Out of thin air. **** hitting, it's all about manufacturing baby.

Gary Reasons
04-16-2010, 03:48 PM
Jerry Manuel.

SFGiants4life
04-16-2010, 03:51 PM
Ron Wotus, if it wasn't for him Bochy would have timmy at 2nd base, molina as a pinch runner and aaron rowand hitting clean up

Dpop07
04-16-2010, 03:59 PM
as a ranger fan i have to say mike scioscia without a doubt...constantly delivers a contender year in and year out.

DaSox_05
04-16-2010, 04:07 PM
Considering the fact that AL Central teams other than the Twins are saying Gardenhire as best manager in baseball should mean a lot since I ****ing hate the Twins but love Gardenhire. I see some Tiger fans also saying Gardenhire.

heathonater
04-16-2010, 05:03 PM
larussa and duncan combo might be the best in baseball. each year it seems like the cardinals are able to take in pitchers that have had down years and then remaking them completely. one pitcher in particular in jeff weaver really played a key part in the cards ws win after struggling for a few years.

Ian.
04-16-2010, 05:24 PM
He said he was a Reds fan to illustrate that he has first hand knowledge of Baker being a ******. You admit your post was a fail immediately.

Also, Larry Bowa FTW

For some reason I got the whole conversation mixed up. I thought he was talking about Scioscia since he was just before that. :laugh2:

Either way, Baker ruins arms and Scioscia is an idiot.


Mike Scioscia. He manufactures run. Out of thin air. **** hitting, it's all about manufacturing baby.

**** Yes!

Rogi10
04-16-2010, 05:27 PM
The one with the best team.

ugafan
04-16-2010, 05:31 PM
lol@Cox getting a vote

Epic89
04-16-2010, 07:07 PM
Considering recent success, overall success, and how highly they're regarded around baseball, my top 10...

1. Scioscia
2. LaRussa
3. Torre
4. Cox
5. Francona
6. Gardenhire
7. Leyland
8. C. Manuel
9. Maddon
10. Piniella

Kinsm
04-17-2010, 01:22 AM
The topic creator says in the original post he's a Met's fan.

He leaves off the Phillies manager Charlie Manager.

How can you leave off a coach that has had multiple MVP players, gold glovers, silver sluggers, won the division 3 years in a row and the conference 2 years in a row including 1 world series. Is this just a Met's fans unwillingness to be objective because I doubt you could forget the coach of your main rival.

Some of you guys can't read. The person who made the thread and the person who added the poll (me) are 2 different people. I thought it would be nice to add a poll to this guy's thread. I completly forgot Charlie, there is no conspiracy about it. I was going by wins, win%, and playoffs on baseball reference and simply missed him. No biggie, just vote other.

Yankees Suck
04-17-2010, 07:41 PM
Jerry Manuel.

I don't think Manuel is going to last through the season yet alone be the best manager in baseball.

Yankees Suck
04-18-2010, 01:51 AM
Ron Gardenhire wasn't on the list, so I voted for the closest thing I could find: Ron Gardenshire.

I am so glad that someone can spell Gardenhire's name.

VRP723
04-18-2010, 02:01 AM
I'm asking a sincere question here.

How can a Dodgers fan not be happy with Joe Torre?

He's been quite successful and the young guys have developed a decent amount under Joe.

He's loyal to a fault, he uses 130 different lineups a year, and the way he manages pitchers is laughable.

infernoscurse
04-18-2010, 02:05 AM
he also has a big ego

giants73756
04-18-2010, 02:41 AM
Seeing Dusty Baker on this poll literally made me laugh out loud. He's absolutely atrocious. I really think LaRussa is head and shoulders better than any other manager.

VRP723
04-18-2010, 01:52 PM
I laughed at the people who included Jim Tracy on their lists as well

mser58
04-18-2010, 04:45 PM
Chuck Manuel

CUBDOM4life
04-18-2010, 05:33 PM
Not Lou Pinella. He's become ******** these days.