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0nekhmer
04-14-2010, 10:14 PM
I can see Jose Calderon working in a well defensive team, he's a great passer but quite frankly the Raptors don't need him. So as topic says, who on your team would you trade for Jose?

Shady66
04-14-2010, 10:18 PM
nobody...

Sly Guy
04-14-2010, 10:18 PM
hahaha, I'm just itching to hear the deals come from this question, ITCHING!

iggypop123
04-14-2010, 10:21 PM
his contract is terrible. if he was expiring(obviously i mean in 2011 since its next season) he would be a hot commodity.

JermanJaysFan
04-14-2010, 10:22 PM
I can see him being a nice PG for the Lakers. Great shooter.

iFYouSeekAmy
04-14-2010, 10:27 PM
Monta Ellis. Add Jarret Jack and deals done.

nuggetsyankees
04-14-2010, 10:33 PM
anthony carter and malik allen but we all know calderon isn't that bad

dwadefan03
04-14-2010, 10:37 PM
daequan cook, james jones and yakhouba diawara

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-14-2010, 10:39 PM
I can see him being a nice PG for the Lakers. Great shooter.

thank you but we already have 2 PGs who cant play defense

Afridi786
04-14-2010, 10:43 PM
Pargo, Acie Law, Flip Murray, or Chris Richards.

tp13baby
04-14-2010, 10:49 PM
anthony carter and malik allen but we all know calderon isn't that bad

my exact thoughts

Raph12
04-14-2010, 10:51 PM
Anthony Johnson

Bulls_fan90
04-14-2010, 11:01 PM
nobody...

This^^

RaptorizedKevin
04-14-2010, 11:01 PM
no one wants calderon/. yu gotta trade him along with someone else to get him traded.

IAmKira
04-14-2010, 11:03 PM
my pubs.. vujacic!

Chronz
04-14-2010, 11:06 PM
Baron Davis

D1JM
04-14-2010, 11:11 PM
my pubs.. vujacic!

i think they would rather have kirk than calderon

Hoopsadvocate
04-14-2010, 11:27 PM
Elton brand /close thread

jeter 2
04-14-2010, 11:38 PM
I would do sign and trade David Lee and Eddy Curry for sign and trade Bosh and Calderon.

Chacarron
04-15-2010, 12:28 AM
Luke Walton.

DaoudS
04-15-2010, 04:52 AM
Monta Ellis. Add Jarret Jack and deals done.

How about Calderon and an expiring for that?

Hellcrooner
04-15-2010, 06:40 AM
lol jackasl like to bite when the man is down.

Lets see what they think next season.

kingkenny01
04-15-2010, 07:29 AM
michael redd and dan gudzuric

alchemist0123
04-15-2010, 07:37 AM
Monta Ellis. Add Jarret Jack and deals done.

for monta you can have jack and calderon we'll even throw a pick your way for that

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-15-2010, 07:48 AM
I would do sign and trade David Lee and Eddy Curry for sign and trade Bosh and Calderon.

rape

Hellcrooner
04-15-2010, 08:09 AM
id send Sahsa , farmr and Drew for Jose and Bosh.

Hellcrooner
04-15-2010, 08:14 AM
Teams i think could use him because he is better than their Starting Pg (or they pg can play the two and their sg is not better than him).

Lakers, Kings( Tyreke moves to the SG), Blazers, Wolves, Grizzlie,Rockets.
Pacers, Pistons, Knicks, Sixers,Wizardas(arenas to sg)Heat (Wade to sg),.


Teams that could use him to be the back up until their OLD pg retires or goes :

Suns, Mavs,Hawks,

Bob_at_york
04-15-2010, 10:26 AM
Baron Davis

really? I think Baron is a much better player.

Hellcrooner
04-15-2010, 10:36 AM
really? I think Baron is a much better player.

wich earns two times the money nd is injury prone.

He probably is thinking that to later have cap space for a signing fa

Hawkeye15
04-15-2010, 10:38 AM
nobody. He makes too much money for too long for an average PG. Raptors are stuck with him and Turdofglue for a couple of years at least

Hawkeye15
04-15-2010, 10:39 AM
Baron Davis

good call.

pebloemer
04-15-2010, 10:40 AM
id send Sahsa , farmr and Drew for Jose and Bosh.

Wouldn't be a terrible idea at all, but salaries would need to match a little better I believe.


really? I think Baron is a much better player.

I'm not sure about that. I think Davis is more talented for sure, but his percentages from the field are really bad. I think the Clippers would definitely do better with Calderon. Jose doesn't force as much. Baron's contract is really bad too IMO. Calderon's isn't great either, but more I think it is better value.

Bob_at_york
04-15-2010, 10:51 AM
wich earns two times the money nd is injury prone.
he does not get paid double what Jose gets paid. At this point, Jose is just as injury prone as Baron. Sure Baron doesn't shoot like Jose but he is a dyanmic player who can get to the basket and play hard on D.

Hellcrooner
04-15-2010, 10:53 AM
he also is older Bob.

Also Calderon is looking worse than he used to because he has a mixing problem with Turk who needs to handle the ball too much.

MagicDojo
04-15-2010, 10:56 AM
Adonal Foyle

Dol-Fan
04-15-2010, 11:06 AM
he also is older Bob.

Also Calderon is looking worse than he used to because he has a mixing problem with Turk who needs to handle the ball too much.

You've got that a little mixed up. Caldy has been taking the ball from Turk all year, Turk has been suffering...Calderon should be doing fine because he hasn't been giving up the ball at all.

I'd take anyone who plays defense for Calderon at this point, pretty much regardless of their offensive output.

mikantsass
04-15-2010, 11:09 AM
Scalabrine, Big Baby, or Sheldon Williams

nycericanguy
04-15-2010, 11:09 AM
Eddy Curry

Jamiecballer
04-15-2010, 11:30 AM
thank you but we already have 2 PGs who cant play defense

This is true but none the less you have one of the best defensive teams in the league. So you are able to mitigate the poor defense at the point guard position but Calderon is a great shooter and looks for his teammates every single time down the floor. i think he would be a great fit there as well.

Jamiecballer
04-15-2010, 11:52 AM
You've got that a little mixed up. Caldy has been taking the ball from Turk all year, Turk has been suffering...Calderon should be doing fine because he hasn't been giving up the ball at all.

I'd take anyone who plays defense for Calderon at this point, pretty much regardless of their offensive output.

Sounds to me like you are the one who has it wrong. Calderon can't take the ball from Turk when it was his ball (as the point guard) to begin with.

RaPtOrS4PLAYoff
04-15-2010, 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeter 2
I would do sign and trade David Lee and Eddy Curry for sign and trade Bosh and Calderon.

terrible deal 4 the raptors, david lee is knowear near chris bosh in anything, nor will he ever be. eddy curry is a piece of ****.

RaPtOrS4PLAYoff
04-15-2010, 12:07 PM
Adonal Foyle

hah

BlondeBomber41
04-15-2010, 12:08 PM
Nobody. Jason Kidd, JJ Barea and Rodrigue Beaubois handle the PG position just fine.

As far as talent goes, I still wouldnt acquire him for any of the pieces we have. We would have to match contracts and I guess if you wanted Matt Carroll and a TE for him I'd do it...

Chronz
04-15-2010, 12:15 PM
really? I think Baron is a much better player.
I like Calderons game and his cap friendly contract more than Barons superior talent

masalex1205
04-15-2010, 12:15 PM
gross, nobody...well maybe Diop

Chronz
04-15-2010, 12:17 PM
nobody. He makes too much money for too long for an average PG. Raptors are stuck with him and Turdofglue for a couple of years at least
Oh **** your right, I thought he was expiring in a year or 2. Both him and Baron have the same amount of years, maybe its not too friendly. I dont know but Id prolly think real hard about passing it up.

kurivaimu
04-15-2010, 12:17 PM
Id give Brian Scalabrine

Rego247
04-15-2010, 12:19 PM
Id give Brian Scalabrine

done.

Storch
04-15-2010, 12:27 PM
vujacic and morrison for calderon

spoonhoops
04-15-2010, 12:29 PM
As a closet Jazz fan, I would trade Ronnie Price for him

Hellcrooner
04-15-2010, 12:32 PM
I think a Thabeet`+ COnley + filling pieces would be great for both teams.


Grizz get the Good at Distribution PG that thinks pass first they neeed.


Raptrors gt a younger Pg with some upside and a DFENSIVE center that allows Bargs to play Pf and disimulat his lack of D .

Bob_at_york
04-15-2010, 12:34 PM
he also is older Bob.

Also Calderon is looking worse than he used to because he has a mixing problem with Turk who needs to handle the ball too much.

But Hedo hasn't gotten to handle the ball a lot. Jose doesn't look worse, he is just playing less minutes because Jack has been almost at par with Jose.

Raidaz4Life
04-15-2010, 12:34 PM
Anyone not named Kobe/Pau/Lamar/Ron/Andrew

DaoudS
04-15-2010, 04:18 PM
I think a Thabeet`+ COnley + filling pieces would be great for both teams.


Grizz get the Good at Distribution PG that thinks pass first they neeed.


Raptrors gt a younger Pg with some upside and a DFENSIVE center that allows Bargs to play Pf and disimulat his lack of D .

I would jizz in my pants if that was able to happen. Even if Thabeet is coming off the bench. Hell, you can take him out that deal and put in just Conley.

BluejaysFan08
04-15-2010, 04:25 PM
I dont know why everyone is bashing this kid. He free throw numbers are outstandings, his turnover to assist ratio set an nba record last year, he doesn't take stupid shots, he has a great work ethic, and he is not a selfish player.

Ragun
04-15-2010, 04:26 PM
Monta Ellis. Add Jarret Jack and deals done.

we rather have jose. thanks.

Ragun
04-15-2010, 04:29 PM
I think a Thabeet`+ COnley + filling pieces would be great for both teams.


Grizz get the Good at Distribution PG that thinks pass first they neeed.


Raptrors gt a younger Pg with some upside and a DFENSIVE center that allows Bargs to play Pf and disimulat his lack of D .
memphis isnt stupid.

ryder78c
04-15-2010, 04:35 PM
nobody

Dee_Edge
04-15-2010, 04:45 PM
...Rockets would pass.

thekmp211
04-15-2010, 04:48 PM
I think a Thabeet`+ COnley + filling pieces would be great for both teams.


Grizz get the Good at Distribution PG that thinks pass first they neeed.


Raptrors gt a younger Pg with some upside and a DFENSIVE center that allows Bargs to play Pf and disimulat his lack of D .


on the right track. he'd be perfect to kick out to for open 3s and to make sure all the chuckers get their shots

Raps18-19 Champ
04-15-2010, 04:49 PM
I'd take that Davis trade.

Calderon and Banks for Davis and DeAndre Jordan.

C-Bargnani, Jordan, Rasho
PF-Bosh, Amir, Evans
SF-Wright, Turkoglu, (MLE)
SG-Weems, Derozan, Belinelli
PG-Davis, Jack, (MLE)

Assuming Bosh resigns.

Raps18-19 Champ
04-15-2010, 04:54 PM
Give him to NY for David Lee.

Or someone decent.

faridk89
04-15-2010, 04:54 PM
package em with bosh and the big turk! time for a new era in T.O

VCaintdead17
04-15-2010, 05:01 PM
He could be a good back up point guard on a team like the Grizzlies. He would add depth to their bench.

La11
04-15-2010, 05:08 PM
he would be good for the cavs and magic but they both have PG's who could shoot.

kidfury
04-15-2010, 05:19 PM
I think a Thabeet`+ COnley + filling pieces would be great for both teams.


Grizz get the Good at Distribution PG that thinks pass first they neeed.


Raptrors gt a younger Pg with some upside and a DFENSIVE center that allows Bargs to play Pf and disimulat his lack of D .

would luv it, if we could pull it off.

SteveNash
04-15-2010, 06:02 PM
Hedo Turkoglu, oh wait...

kblo247
04-15-2010, 06:09 PM
thank you but we already have 2 PGs who cant play defense

They play D like Gary Payton in 96 compared to him

mikantsass
04-15-2010, 06:26 PM
I think a Thabeet`+ COnley + filling pieces would be great for both teams.


Grizz get the Good at Distribution PG that thinks pass first they neeed.


Raptrors gt a younger Pg with some upside and a DFENSIVE center that allows Bargs to play Pf and disimulat his lack of D .


So Memphis gives up 2 guys they took in the top 4 of the draft...... for a guy who isnt a top 25 PG in the league? Yeah that makes sense....

JermanJaysFan
04-15-2010, 06:28 PM
He could be a good starting point guard on a team like the Grizzlies. He would add shooting, ball control, and unselfish play making to their starting lineup.

Fixed.

JermanJaysFan
04-15-2010, 06:38 PM
So Memphis gives up 2 guys they took in the top 4 of the draft...... for a guy who isnt a top 25 PG in the league? Yeah that makes sense....

Easy. Yeah, his numbers were down this year, but that isn't his fault.

I know his value drops because of his contract and his defense. But the guy is a good point guard. He is a member of the 50/40/90 club (and he came pretty close two more times). Other members? Nash, Dirk, Reggie, Bird, and Price. That's it.

He averaged more than 8 assists in two seasons, and has always had amazing assist/turnover ratios.

So, no, hes not a superstar. But he is a highly efficient and effective shooter, ball carrier/handler, and distributor. Give the guy some credit. Guys ahead of him? Rondo, Rose, Mo Williams, Kidd, Billups, Curry, Brooks, Jennings, Harris, Paul, Westbrook, Nash, Williams, Parker, Felton. Thats what, 15?

mikantsass
04-15-2010, 06:47 PM
Easy. Yeah, his numbers were down this year, but that isn't his fault.

I know his value drops because of his contract and his defense. But the guy is a good point guard. He is a member of the 50/40/90 club (and he came pretty close two more times). Other members? Nash, Dirk, Reggie, Bird, and Price. That's it.

He averaged more than 8 assists in two seasons, and has always had amazing assist/turnover ratios.

So, no, hes not a superstar. But he is a highly efficient and effective shooter, ball carrier/handler, and distributor. Give the guy some credit. Guys ahead of him? Rondo, Rose, Mo Williams, Kidd, Billups, Curry, Brooks, Jennings, Harris, Paul, Westbrook, Nash, Williams, Parker, Felton. Thats what, 15?

Rondo, Rose, Mo Williams, Kidd, Billups, Curry, Brooks, Jennings, Harris, Paul, Westbrook, Nash, D Williams, Parker, Felton, Andre Miller, Jack, George Hill, Collison, Tyreke, Stuckey, Monta, Baron, Gilbert, Nelson.... Thats 25

IKAZ
04-15-2010, 06:57 PM
Rondo, Rose, Mo Williams, Kidd, Billups, Curry, Brooks, Jennings, Harris, Paul, Westbrook, Nash, D Williams, Parker, Felton, Andre Miller, Jack, George Hill, Collison, Tyreke, Stuckey, Monta, Baron, Gilbert, Nelson.... Thats 25

somebody knows alot about basketball.

Felton,hill and collison are better than calderon. yea.. how many games have you watched for george hill or darren collison to make that decision.

next person to post will get'em for free.

get outta here ppl . Calderon is bad for the raptors, a gem to another team. Last year we were offered jr smith for him and said get the hell outta here.calderon this year will get traded along a pick and an expiring for someone big.

goose15
04-15-2010, 06:58 PM
Eddy Curry

JermanJaysFan
04-15-2010, 07:01 PM
Rondo, Rose, Mo Williams, Kidd, Billups, Curry, Brooks, Jennings, Harris, Paul, Westbrook, Nash, D Williams, Parker, Felton, Andre Miller, Jack, George Hill, Collison, Tyreke, Stuckey, Monta, Baron, Gilbert, Nelson.... Thats 25

I dispute the bolded ones.

Miller's D has fallen off quite a bit, and he isn't near the shooter or distributor Jose is.
Jack played over Jose some this year because of the system. I feel Jose is the better 1 guard for most cases.
Hill is a nice young player, but he isn't any where near as good at distributing and taking care of the ball.
Monta is not a point guard in my books.
Gilbert has proven himself to be an utterly useless component of a basketball team.
And Nelson is a less effective shooter and distributor, and plays weak defense.

mikantsass
04-15-2010, 07:04 PM
somebody knows alot about basketball.

Felton,hill and collison are better than calderon. yea.. how many games have you watched for george hill or darren collison to make that decision.

next person to post will get'em for free.

get outta here ppl . Calderon is bad for the raptors, a gem to another team. Last year we were offered jr smith for him and said get the hell outta here.calderon this year will get traded along a pick and an expiring for someone big.

I watch a lot of basketball. Calderon is a below average player. Ive been watching him since he entered the league and I think he has had 1 good yr in his short career. His career has been nothing but injuries and playing a backup role to other mediocre PGs (Ford and Jack)

JermanJaysFan
04-15-2010, 07:09 PM
I watch a lot of basketball. Calderon is a below average player. Ive been watching him since he entered the league and I think he has had 1 good yr in his short career. His career has been nothing but injuries and playing a backup role to other mediocre PGs (Ford and Jack)

You're flat out incorrect.

The Bradley
04-15-2010, 07:14 PM
The Kings will give you Andres Nocioni

smith&wesson
04-15-2010, 07:16 PM
Ill take b diddy in a heart beat.

jim51990
04-15-2010, 07:17 PM
scal

Ragun
04-15-2010, 07:22 PM
The Kings will give you Andres Nocioni

we rather release calderon even with 3 years left on the contract.

HoopsDrive
04-15-2010, 07:22 PM
Calderon is the perfect second-string PG (backup). His defense is beyond atrocious and playing in TO only magnifies it. His offense is above average. He's got a solid passing game but sometimes is too careful with the ball on his hands. When open, he's money from medium to the 3pt line. His playmaking power is decent but if the man he's looking for isn't considerably open, he won't take the risk of passing the ball to him. He's a very conservative playmaker but a decent passer and shooter.

He would excel as a backup because he would be playing against the second-string players of the opposing team. That would limit some of the damage that teams could take advantage of against Calderon's horrendous defense. Calderon is a borderline starter so if he plays as a backup he will, on most nights, take advantage of the other team's second string PG.

Verdict: Give him solid minutes as a backup PG. Maybe combo him with your star big when the reserve time comes up for an effective 1-2 punch. His defense is atrocious but can be limited by having Calderon on the floor on reserve time. His offense is good enough to warrant PT, have him on the floor if FT is needed or a knockdown jay.

Teams that could benefit with his use: Portland Trail Blazers and Charlotte Bobcats.

bluesens
04-15-2010, 07:27 PM
he would be good for the cavs and magic but they both have PG's who could shoot.

he's lacking defense would be hidden by lebron and howard for sure:clap:

Vinny642
04-15-2010, 07:30 PM
Nobody, we got Paul and Collison already.

mikantsass
04-15-2010, 07:32 PM
You're flat out incorrect.

I think I am on point. Look at some of the responses to the OP's question. People are saying "Scalabrine", "Nocioni", "Vujacic'', "Nobody", "Pass".....

I think it is pretty evident that most people agree with me.

VCaintdead17
04-15-2010, 07:33 PM
Fixed.

lol. I'd take Conley over Calderon any day of the week. At least Conley tries on defense. And when he doesn't try, he's still a better defender than Calderon. Calderon has more negatives than positives when he is a starter.

dtmagnet
04-15-2010, 07:40 PM
I think I am on point. Look at some of the responses to the OP's question. People are saying "Scalabrine", "Nocioni", "Vujacic'', "Nobody", "Pass".....

I think it is pretty evident that most people agree with me.

I think it is pretty evident that the GM's of those fan's team's would disagree with you.

Hellcrooner
04-16-2010, 12:34 AM
So Memphis gives up 2 guys they took in the top 4 of the draft...... for a guy who isnt a top 25 PG in the league? Yeah that makes sense....

Lol im not goint to discuss about an European Player wth you.
Its pointless.

Hey you should go enhoy the Patriots.

No relevant foreigners yet in Nfl. :p

Lakersfan2483
04-16-2010, 12:49 AM
I can see Jose Calderon working in a well defensive team, he's a great passer but quite frankly the Raptors don't need him. So as topic says, who on your team would you trade for Jose?

I would give up Farmar, Morrison and Powell for Calderon.

Ebbs
04-16-2010, 12:52 AM
JJ Barea and a 2nd

clehmun
04-16-2010, 01:52 AM
I think I am on point. Look at some of the responses to the OP's question. People are saying "Scalabrine", "Nocioni", "Vujacic'', "Nobody", "Pass".....

I think it is pretty evident that most people agree with me.

isn't it clear that PSD fans will never give up a dollar for a dollar on these "who would you give up" threads?

you can ask people what they'd give up for kobe or wade, and you'd find a lot of fans offering their 2nd best player or expirings + picks.

fadedmario
04-16-2010, 02:02 AM
Richard Hamilton

_KB24_
04-16-2010, 02:07 AM
Remember when Raptors fans were saying Calderon was a Top 5 PG :laugh:

You guys can have Vujashit for him.......

mvb815
04-16-2010, 02:16 AM
Calderon is a very capable player, right now he is definitely a top 25 PG with the potential to hit top 15 easy, he is a smart player with a high basketball IQ, and besides his defense, his only problem is his low risk accountability. towards the end of this season, when jack was threatening the starting spot from him, i saw calderon take more risks, throw more lob passes, go for more layups. he is a great player and i expect him to show us a lot more next season.

those who undervalue him havn't seen enough of him, simple as that

Ragun
04-16-2010, 07:25 AM
Richard Hamilton

REALLY?! holy **** deal.

Ragun
04-16-2010, 07:26 AM
Remember when Raptors fans were saying Calderon was a Top 5 PG :laugh:

You guys can have Vujashit for him.......

not top 5 but he was top 10 that year. he was simply amazing. then he just lost it and is now like a bottom 15 startin PG.

Bob_at_york
04-16-2010, 10:16 AM
Lol im not goint to discuss about an European Player wth you.
Its pointless.

Hey you should go enhoy the Patriots.

No relevant foreigners yet in Nfl. :p

Don't make this a race issue.

Hellcrooner
04-16-2010, 10:26 AM
Don't make this a race issue.

"european" isnt a race :p

Bob_at_york
04-16-2010, 10:35 AM
"european" isnt a race :p

I never said it was but I could still see where you were going with that argument.

IKAZ
04-16-2010, 10:48 AM
I never said it was but I could still see where you were going with that argument.

yea yea.. wutup bob lol

People on here r unrealistic. thats why their only options in life is to talk trashy trades while real gm's make real deals lol talk all you want boys.. we'll be getting something good for him. thats why we have bryan colangelo and you got the donnie walshs the Grunfelds the kahns the olsheys the paxons and the list goes on. we're only 15 years old n we got the cream of the crop and probably live in a better city than ya'll . aside from ny,la,chicago,miami.. where else would you wanna be? charlotte? philly? memphis? indiana.. nah thanks

get a grip of yourselves people. Toronto is up n comin.

No one is taking your vujacic .. at the deadline remember it was vujacic for banks !! so start talkin realistic

Hellcrooner
04-16-2010, 11:15 AM
yea yea.. wutup bob lol

People on here r unrealistic. thats why their only options in life is to talk trashy trades while real gm's make real deals lol talk all you want boys.. we'll be getting something good for him. thats why we have bryan colangelo and you got the donnie walshs the Grunfelds the kahns the olsheys the paxons and the list goes on. we're only 15 years old n we got the cream of the crop and probably live in a better city than ya'll . aside from ny,la,chicago,miami.. where else would you wanna be? charlotte? philly? memphis? indiana.. nah thanks

get a grip of yourselves people. Toronto is up n comin.

No one is taking your vujacic .. at the deadline remember it was vujacic for banks !! so start talkin realistic

DOnt count on it.

The media has been trashng Jose all season long, including Toronto Media so his value has decreased.
THe reactions of psd posters are based on not seen him play enough and believen what they read.
Sadly many GMs will also believe the media .
About the COnservative thing im amazed im sure Popovic or L Brown would love to have such a conservative Pg that does not ball hog and make stupid flashy decisions.
ABout his D. he is no ROndo but he is DECENT of course you will look worse than you are if NO ONE in your team knows a word about d.

He and turkoglu have not meshed up well tough, if you got a wing taking pg dutes and handing the ball you need a differente type of PG mor a combo like tirek, jennings , rose etc than a traditional PG

Calderon is one of the very few pg nowdays that in 35 mpg can average over 10 asists, sad as it sounds nowdays Pgs are bout themselves not the team.

Bob_at_york
04-16-2010, 11:23 AM
DOnt count on it.

The media has been trashng Jose all season long, including Toronto Media so his value has decreased.
THe reactions of psd posters are based on not seen him play enough and believen what they read.
Sadly many GMs will also believe the media .
I love it whenever somebody makes that argument. GMs don't believe the media. They have dvds of opponent's games. They have scouts at opponent's games, they know what Jose can do. they don't read media reports to find out about other players.


ABout his D. he is no ROndo but he is DECENT of course you will look worse than you are if NO ONE in your team knows a word about d.
I am not sure what your definition of "decent" is.


He and turkoglu have not meshed up well tough, if you got a wing taking pg dutes and handing the ball you need a differente type of PG mor a combo like tirek, jennings , rose etc than a traditional PG

Calderon is one of the very few pg nowdays that in 35 mpg can average over 10 asists, sad as it sounds nowdays Pgs are bout themselves not the team.
I don't know why people ripped him so much this year. He shoot a little bit worse this year but overall he didn't play any different this year than he has in previous years. His numbers look worse because he got less minutes and like you said he handled the ball a little bit less.

GSW Hoops
04-16-2010, 12:09 PM
CJ Watson

bbcmillionaire
04-16-2010, 12:30 PM
how about vinny del negro hair product?

mikantsass
04-16-2010, 12:39 PM
Lol im not goint to discuss about an European Player wth you.
Its pointless.

Hey you should go enhoy the Patriots.

No relevant foreigners yet in Nfl. :p

That is why the NFL is the best product in America. But back on topic, Calderon would start for 4 teams right now in the NBA. The Heat, Pacers, Knicks and TWolves. All of the other teams in the NBA have PGs who are better or the same as Calderon. A lot of teams even have 2 PGs that fit the mold

Brooklyn Mets
04-16-2010, 12:47 PM
eddy curry haha

Ansy
04-16-2010, 12:56 PM
Jose's main weakness offensively is that he isn't aggressive enough. His main strength is that he's unbelievably efficient. This makes him a much better asset to a winning team than a losing team. He's a top notch shooter, and protects the ball too well to get ripped on the way he is.

He would be a great fit on any team that has a top 2-guard. If you take the ball out of his hands on offense and let him start draining 3s instead of making plays, I think you have a really strong player.

mvb815
04-16-2010, 01:48 PM
That is why the NFL is the best product in America. But back on topic, Calderon would start for 4 teams right now in the NBA. The Heat, Pacers, Knicks and TWolves. All of the other teams in the NBA have PGs who are better or the same as Calderon. A lot of teams even have 2 PGs that fit the mold

haha look at this guy

swap rondo with calderon and rondo would be lost on the raptors, calderon would be putting up the same exact stats as rondo on the celtics minus the rebounds with a little better offensive numbers.

i love when celtics fans talk about anyone else's point guard

Hellcrooner
04-16-2010, 01:52 PM
haha look at this guy

swap rondo with calderon and rondo would be lost on the raptors, calderon would be putting up the same exact stats as rondo on the celtics minus the rebounds with a little better offensive numbers.

i love when celtics fans talk about anyone else's point guard

Look at his first sentecne.

IS the same guy that says Pau is not even top 25 player in the league.


As i said no worth discussing with him about european players.

See Bob? i was not randomly using the "race" Card.

Bob_at_york
04-16-2010, 01:59 PM
Look at his first sentecne.
What about it?


IS the same guy that says Pau is not even top 25 player in the league.


As i said no worth discussing with him about european players.

See Bob? i was not randomly using the "race" Card.
Looks like you have something personal against this guy from some other debate. I suggest that you put him on ignore if he is bothering you this much. Please don't look for racism where it doesn't exist.

IndiansFan337
04-16-2010, 02:36 PM
He's overpaid & terrible defensively, so it's going to be very tough for them to move him.

Ragun
04-16-2010, 02:43 PM
eddy curry haha

deal.

Hugbees
04-16-2010, 02:50 PM
eddy curry haha


deal.


helllllllllllll no. No way he's a legit fan if he's serious.

goblazers7
04-16-2010, 02:57 PM
i heard there in need of a washing machine, so i guess we could bring in calderon for the Flint Tropix

sep11ie
04-16-2010, 03:03 PM
Nada, our back up PG is better.

mikantsass
04-16-2010, 03:11 PM
Look at his first sentecne.

IS the same guy that says Pau is not even top 25 player in the league.


As i said no worth discussing with him about european players.

See Bob? i was not randomly using the "race" Card.

Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Durant, Howard, Duncan, Pierce, Roy, DWill, Paul, Melo, Dirk, Amare, Boozer, Bosh, Nash, Johnson, Bogut, Rose, Granger, Manu, Yao

There is 22 just off the top of my head.... Pau might not even be the best Gasol in the NBA hahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

PS Calderon is garbage

Bob_at_york
04-16-2010, 03:30 PM
Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Durant, Howard, Duncan, Pierce, Roy, DWill, Paul, Melo, Dirk, Amare, Boozer, Bosh, Nash, Johnson, Bogut, Rose, Granger, Manu, Yao

There is 22 just off the top of my head.... Pau might not even be the best Gasol in the NBA hahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

PS Calderon is garbage

Until Yao proves that he can come back healthy, Pau is ahead of him.... but let's not digress. The topic is Jose Calderon.

Hellcrooner
04-16-2010, 04:01 PM
Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Durant, Howard, Duncan, Pierce, Roy, DWill, Paul, Melo, Dirk, Amare, Boozer, Bosh, Nash, Johnson, Bogut, Rose, Granger, Manu, Yao

There is 22 just off the top of my head.... Pau might not even be the best Gasol in the NBA hahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

PS Calderon is garbage

black letters, they surely are better than Pau

Underlined , we can debate .

the rest :facepalm:

jmtapia
04-16-2010, 05:58 PM
Nocioni

ryder78c
04-16-2010, 06:12 PM
Until Yao proves that he can come back healthy, Pau is ahead of him.... but let's not digress. The topic is Jose Calderon.

Yeah Right Yao was way better then Pau lay off the dope, Pau Is Garbage i dont get what people are on...... ***** i'd take Lamarcus Aldridge over pau i dont care what ya'll on! ***** i'd take Z-bo and Marc Gasol Over Pau i'd even take David Lee over Gasol Even A Old Healthy KG & old Healthy shaq Over Pau

blah-blah
04-16-2010, 06:30 PM
cmon calderon isnt that bad but his defense is terrible

bigsams50
04-16-2010, 06:41 PM
No one, you gotta play some kind of defense to be in LB's system

ldc62
04-16-2010, 10:44 PM
black letters, they surely are better than Pau

Underlined , we can debate .

the rest :facepalm:


You think Dirk<Pau but < Amare?????? :facepalm: sorry

Hellcrooner
04-16-2010, 11:26 PM
You think Dirk<Pau but < Amare?????? :facepalm: sorry

:confused:


Dirk is underlind wich mean you can discuss whter h is betr or not than Pau.

Stou is not Bolded or underolind wich means he is worse than BOTh pau and dirk.

FlakeyFool
04-16-2010, 11:51 PM
Yeah Right Yao was way better then Pau lay off the dope, Pau Is Garbage i dont get what people are on...... ***** i'd take Lamarcus Aldridge over pau i dont care what ya'll on! ***** i'd take Z-bo and Marc Gasol Over Pau i'd even take David Lee over Gasol Even A Old Healthy KG & old Healthy shaq Over Pau

I think I could type a better paragraph with my forehead


Jose needs to go the knicks

ink
04-16-2010, 11:59 PM
I think I could type a better paragraph with my forehead

Not supposed to laugh but that is funny. :laugh2:

ink
04-17-2010, 12:00 AM
Yeah Right Yao was way better then Pau lay off the dope, Pau Is Garbage i dont get what people are on...... ***** i'd take Lamarcus Aldridge over pau i dont care what ya'll on! ***** i'd take Z-bo and Marc Gasol Over Pau i'd even take David Lee over Gasol Even A Old Healthy KG & old Healthy shaq Over Pau

Let's get back on topic.