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Swashcuff
04-02-2010, 10:24 AM
This is certainly a tough one for me.So I'd like to hear your guys' opinions. Is it Dwight Howard's in Orlando? Is it LeBron's in Cleveland? Is it Deron Williams on the Jazz? (My choice) etc.

Who do you guys think?

Pierzynski4Prez
04-02-2010, 10:44 AM
Cp3

Pierzynski4Prez
04-02-2010, 10:45 AM
You should rephrase this to "Of all the Star Players"

Contenders don't have supporting casts, they have Teams. Star players have supporting casts.

Raph12
04-02-2010, 10:58 AM
If you're talking about legit contenders, it is probably D-Will.

mikantsass
04-02-2010, 10:59 AM
Amare, he has Nash but that is pretty much it.

Swashcuff
04-02-2010, 11:00 AM
You should rephrase this to "Of all the Star Players"

Contenders don't have supporting casts, they have Teams. Star players have supporting casts.

if i said stars then wade would be included i wanted to say stars of contending teams

m26555
04-02-2010, 11:00 AM
If you're talking about legit contenders, it is probably D-Will.
Agreed.

Am I the only one who thinks Utah has absolutely no depth?

Mr. Net32
04-02-2010, 11:00 AM
Yea right in that case David Lee is the answer... but since we're talking about CONTENDERS i'd have to go with Kevin Durant

MG3
04-02-2010, 11:01 AM
Amare, he has Nash but that is pretty much it.

right, except opposite. Nash has amare and that's pretty much it.

m26555
04-02-2010, 11:03 AM
Yea right in that case David Lee is the answer... but since we're talking about CONTENDERS i'd have to go with Kevin Durant
:confused:

Durant has a pretty solid supporting cast.

Mr. Net32
04-02-2010, 11:19 AM
:confused:

Durant has a pretty solid supporting cast.

Can you name there starting center? Their starting power forward is realy a small forward...

Double_R
04-02-2010, 11:33 AM
Can you name there starting center? Their starting power forward is realy a small forward...

Thabo Sefolosha, a top defender in the NBA
Russell Westbrook, one of the better and most underrated pg in the league.
Jeff Green, is a real solid player, and he is 6'9'' 235, he's not that small
Nick Collison and Kristic are decent bigs.

With some decent bench players mixed in

Hitman21
04-02-2010, 11:36 AM
How about Wade? hes got nobody

GSW Hoops
04-02-2010, 11:40 AM
Lakers have pretty sad depth past the starting 5 and Odom.

Jahari Kavi
04-02-2010, 11:45 AM
Lakers have pretty sad depth past the starting 5 and Odom.

^^^ What he said.....If the Lakers want to repeat I think someone in the starting lineup will have to play over their head for a period of time during the post season.

Swashcuff
04-02-2010, 12:13 PM
^^^ What he said.....If the Lakers want to repeat I think someone in the starting lineup will have to play over their head for a period of time during the post season.

hey they have a good core 5. Probably the best in the league. They may have a weak bench but I surely don't agree that its the worst supporting cast. If you ask me given what they have they support each other pretty well.

JordansBulls
04-02-2010, 12:43 PM
Derrick Rose

mikantsass
04-02-2010, 12:53 PM
Derrick Rose

Lol ok then, i guess we can say:

Andre Iguodala
Danny Granger
Tyreke Evans
Monta Ellis
Andre Blatche
Rip Hamilton
Al Jefferson

IRUAM #21
04-02-2010, 12:55 PM
Derrick Rose

:laugh:

Swashcuff
04-03-2010, 09:33 AM
To those that said the suns ya'll crazy. They have a top 3 point a top 3 pf and very good role players such as dudley and hill. Not to mention Frye's new found 3 ball, J Rich who on a given night could give you a solid 20+ outing and Barbosa who even though he has declined he is still a legit 6th man in the league. Not to mention high energy from Amundson, Dragic coming into his own as one of the better back up pgs in the league and Lopez on the upturn.

Sly Guy
04-03-2010, 10:07 AM
How about Wade? hes got nobody

the heat are not contenders. IMO it would only come down to Bos, Atl, Cle, Orl in the east, and anyone 1-7 in the west.

Of those teams, I don't know who I'd pick though.

king4day
04-03-2010, 10:07 AM
Amare, he has Nash but that is pretty much it.

The question isn't, "who has the least known supporting cast". Watch the Suns before just assuming they have a bad team.
I think being tied in the standings for the #2 seed in the West would tell you something too.

VCaintdead17
04-03-2010, 10:15 AM
Dwayne Wade, easily. I don't see how it can't be.

jimbobjarree
04-03-2010, 10:38 AM
Agreed.

Am I the only one who thinks Utah has absolutely no depth?

haha quite the opposite matey. You got starting quality power forward in Millsap, starting quality SF in Andrei Kirilenko (when he gets back healthy), one of the best shooters in the league in Korver and Ronnie Price is pretty underated by most. Solid 8/9 man rotation. Would a team that leads the league in FG% and assists really be the team with the least amount of depth?

Its not depth we lack, its the opposite, need more star quality...oh and some size

Swashcuff
04-03-2010, 10:43 AM
Dwayne Wade, easily. I don't see how it can't be.

because his team is not considered a contender for the championship

Agent008
04-03-2010, 11:01 AM
How has nobody said Lebron yet? If you take Lebron off the Cavs, then they're a 30 win team tops. Jamison is pretty good, Williams and Shaq are a little above average, after that they're all role players.

Highlight
04-03-2010, 11:25 AM
How has nobody said Lebron yet? If you take Lebron off the Cavs, then they're a 30 win team tops. Jamison is pretty good, Williams and Shaq are a little above average, after that they're all role players.

Why does everyone say "If you take Lebron off the Cavs, then they're a 30 win team... etc"

Yes, there team wouldn't win many games, but his supporting cast is built perfectly for his game. You have a ton of spot up shooters, good defenders, and players that hustle. His supporting cast has size, athleticism, and desire. Lebron couldn't ask for more in a supporting cast.

Lebron has an amazing supporting cast considering the type of player he is. The names aren't all that big, but he's got one of the best supporting casts in the league, and that's probably why he will stay in Cleveland. Lebron's supporting cast compliments his game so well. (It could always be better, but I'm sure Lebron is pretty damn happy with the group he is with now). The Cavs are legit contenders and I expect them to make it to the Finals.

Getting tired of hearing that garbage from people...

avrpatsfan
04-03-2010, 11:26 AM
Yea right in that case David Lee is the answer... but since we're talking about CONTENDERS i'd have to go with Kevin Durant

Durant? Last time I checked Westbrook, Harden, and Green is a good supporting cast. If Lebron had that the team would be amazing.
Westbrook
Harden
James
Green
Ibaka

Wow. But it would easily be either Deron or CP3.

GodsSon
04-03-2010, 11:56 AM
The Nuggets

J-Relo
04-03-2010, 12:02 PM
To those that said the suns ya'll crazy. They have a top 3 point a top 3 pf and very good role players such as dudley and hill. Not to mention Frye's new found 3 ball, J Rich who on a given night could give you a solid 20+ outing and Barbosa who even though he has declined he is still a legit 6th man in the league. Not to mention high energy from Amundson, Dragic coming into his own as one of the better back up pgs in the league and Lopez on the upturn.

I don't really agree...

Who was Frye in New York?
Where was Dudley? He came like from nowhere...
Has anyone predicted Hill playing like that this time in his career?
J-Rich? The guy all Suns fans wanted to get rid of because of his incosistency and huge contract last summer?
Barbosa? Is he still good?
Dragic and Lopez? Rookies no one gives any interest about...
Amundson? Great energy guy - that's it?...
Take in account declining NASH... Injury prone Amare... and what do you have?

As far as I like this team, I can say together with Nash and Amare they are great, but not alone, just compare them with any other contender...

(also ^added some irony, as those kind of comments were all over PSD)

dimgim
04-03-2010, 12:25 PM
Well if Parker doesn't come back it's gotta be Tim Duncan and the Spurs...yeah that got Manu but after that there isn't much. George Hill and Jefferson are too inconsistent to be counted on.

tredigs
04-03-2010, 12:30 PM
Durant? Last time I checked Westbrook, Harden, and Green is a good supporting cast. If Lebron had that the team would be amazing.
Westbrook
Harden
James
Green
Ibaka

Wow. But it would easily be either Deron or CP3.

Lebron has a team much better than the Thunder as they are right now. Westbrook's a really promising player and has even become solid. But you can't overlook his 42% FG percentage or how often he turns the ball over. Once he develops a little more shot discipline and improves his jumper, he'll be a lot better off.

The rest of the team is just too Green. Ibaka and Sefalosha (as great as they can be defensively) don't know what offense is yet, and simply put their centers struggle. Pretty badly. Until Ibaka becomes a guy that can handle players like D. Howard, or they get a center through free agency, that will be a glaring hole in their team.

Next year I think that they will have a pretty solid role playing team, but again, they're just too green to compare to other contenders (if you can even call them that quite yet) right now.

Of the current HCA teams in each division, I'll say Utah. Boozer, a run down AK and mostly mediocrity or green players (but some good ones in Milsap, etc) besides that.

td0tsfinest
04-03-2010, 02:25 PM
if you're talking about legit contenders, it is probably d-will.

+ 1

bigsams50
04-03-2010, 02:42 PM
Derrick Rose

:laugh: He said contenders, yall arnt even in the top 8 seeds out east

AirCanada15ORL
04-03-2010, 02:46 PM
What? Contenders dont have bad supporting casts, or even supporting casts. They have teams like someone said.
Take LA
Kobe's "supporting cast": Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Fisher, Artest. That's not a supporting cast really that's flat a team of good players.
ORL
Dwight's "supporting cast": Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, Matt Barnes, Jameer Nelson, Pietrus, J Will. Like I said that's no supporting cast, especially since half the time Dwight wont be the one taking the most shots.

Swashcuff
04-03-2010, 02:52 PM
What? Contenders dont have bad supporting casts, or even supporting casts. They have teams like someone said.
Take LA
Kobe's "supporting cast": Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Fisher, Artest. That's not a supporting cast really that's flat a team of good players.
ORL
Dwight's "supporting cast": Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, Matt Barnes, Jameer Nelson, Pietrus, J Will. Like I said that's no supporting cast, especially since half the time Dwight wont be the one taking the most shots.

this is an NBA forum and i thought people would understand what i meant but anal individuals such as yourself must always take it out of context. I never said anyone had a bad supporting cast. Where did u see that? I just want to know whose is the worst of them all. Sigh

sep11ie
04-03-2010, 02:53 PM
Harlem Globetrotters

Shady66
04-03-2010, 02:55 PM
I don't really agree...

Who was Frye in New York?
Where was Dudley? He came like from nowhere...
Has anyone predicted Hill playing like that this time in his career?
J-Rich? The guy all Suns fans wanted to get rid of because of his incosistency and huge contract last summer?
Barbosa? Is he still good?
Dragic and Lopez? Rookies no one gives any interest about...
Amundson? Great energy guy - that's it?...
Take in account declining NASH... Injury prone Amare... and what do you have?

As far as I like this team, I can say together with Nash and Amare they are great, but not alone, just compare them with any other contender...

(also ^added some irony, as those kind of comments were all over PSD)

Who cares what frye used to be? Now hes a 3 point specialist and he knows his role. Jared Dudley brings hustle, energy, defence, and shooting. If you look at his stats over the years, other than the shooting their pretty much the same. All he did was become a better shooter. J rich was playing poorly because he had a hand injury, since they all star break I believe hes averaging 19 ppg on high percentage shooting. Barbosa pretty much sucks right now plain and simple lol. Dragic and Lopez are huge parts of the team. Dragic brings energy defence as well as scoring when steve nash comes out. I compare Lopez to K mart from denver, hes our defencive anchor. Before you judge players/teams, watch them.

ajunco14
04-03-2010, 02:57 PM
It has to be Wade
and I don't know why no one gives the heat any chance of doing anything in the playoffs, despite the fact were on a 7 game win streak and could easily win out going into the playoffs on a 13 game win streak, our centers have dwight's number, we play some of the best d in the league, and since we have one of the top 5 players in the league you can never count us out we can beat anybody on any given night.

td0tsfinest
04-03-2010, 02:59 PM
^ Except that the heat aren't contenders.

ajunco14
04-03-2010, 03:22 PM
ok so KD and the thunder are? D-will and the Jazz? The Senior 3 and the Celtics? I'd say the heat can beat any of them and outside of the cavs in the east there is no team that you can say definatley beats the heat in a 7 game series

BoSox47
04-03-2010, 03:22 PM
Rajan Rondo

sep11ie
04-03-2010, 03:28 PM
^ Except that the heat aren't contenders.

You'd think after its been said 5 times they'd realize:facepalm:

sunnydayin'zona
04-03-2010, 03:30 PM
right, except opposite. Nash has amare and that's pretty much it.

no, not anymore. the suns are becoming amare's team now. it used to be nash who tookover games late to win it, these days its amare.

but the suns have a great supporting cast. one of the best benches in the league.

ajunco14
04-03-2010, 03:32 PM
c'mon maaan, the globe trotters aren't even in the nba lmao

sep11ie
04-03-2010, 04:23 PM
^ sarcasim, google it.

Agent008
04-03-2010, 04:51 PM
Why does everyone say "If you take Lebron off the Cavs, then they're a 30 win team... etc"

Yes, there team wouldn't win many games, but his supporting cast is built perfectly for his game. You have a ton of spot up shooters, good defenders, and players that hustle. His supporting cast has size, athleticism, and desire. Lebron couldn't ask for more in a supporting cast.

Lebron has an amazing supporting cast considering the type of player he is. The names aren't all that big, but he's got one of the best supporting casts in the league, and that's probably why he will stay in Cleveland. Lebron's supporting cast compliments his game so well. (It could always be better, but I'm sure Lebron is pretty damn happy with the group he is with now). The Cavs are legit contenders and I expect them to make it to the Finals.

Getting tired of hearing that garbage from people...

Lebron is the type of player that could make any supporting cast look amazing. If you put Lebron on any of teams being listed in this thread, that team would be a 60 game winner.

J-Relo
04-03-2010, 04:52 PM
Who cares what frye used to be? Now hes a 3 point specialist and he knows his role. Jared Dudley brings hustle, energy, defence, and shooting. If you look at his stats over the years, other than the shooting their pretty much the same. All he did was become a better shooter. J rich was playing poorly because he had a hand injury, since they all star break I believe hes averaging 19 ppg on high percentage shooting. Barbosa pretty much sucks right now plain and simple lol. Dragic and Lopez are huge parts of the team. Dragic brings energy defence as well as scoring when steve nash comes out. I compare Lopez to K mart from denver, hes our defencive anchor. Before you judge players/teams, watch them.

well you didn't understand my post

it's great how the whole team plays, it's great how everyone connected, how the team sticked together, but just pick one of those players - he won't be something good alone by himself...

how this team developed it's amazing (so i posted some comments i remembered being posted last summer: how awful of a team it is, how Nash is declining, etc.), but still... compare contending teams by comparing players, what do you get?

mrblisterdundee
04-03-2010, 05:19 PM
I think that in reality, there are five teams that can win the championship: Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Los Angeles, and Orlando. Boston and Antlanta fall a little short, along with Salt Lake City, Phoenix, and San Antonio. Out of those five teams, the Magic has the weakest supporting cast. The team (other than Dwight Howard) relies too much on jump shooting.

jim51990
04-03-2010, 05:19 PM
d-will

DeyAce
04-03-2010, 05:32 PM
DRose, Wade, and Deron

Meth
04-03-2010, 05:46 PM
I don't really agree...

Who was Frye in New York?
Where was Dudley? He came like from nowhere...
Has anyone predicted Hill playing like that this time in his career?
J-Rich? The guy all Suns fans wanted to get rid of because of his incosistency and huge contract last summer?
Barbosa? Is he still good?
Dragic and Lopez? Rookies no one gives any interest about...
Amundson? Great energy guy - that's it?...
Take in account declining NASH... Injury prone Amare... and what do you have?

As far as I like this team, I can say together with Nash and Amare they are great, but not alone, just compare them with any other contender...

(also ^added some irony, as those kind of comments were all over PSD)

I see no irony.. just a player breakdown.

alencp3
04-03-2010, 05:55 PM
D-Will has Boozer,AK47,Okur,Matthews,Miles,Millsap,Korver,Pri ce,Gaines ..thats a solid supporting cast. I'll go with Thunder if they are considered contenders.
Durant has Westbrook and Green,Thabo sucks on offense bellow average big mans in Krstic and Collison and solid rookie. Oh i forgot Kevin Olie is playing pretty well lately just kidding

ldc62
04-03-2010, 08:07 PM
Amare, he has Nash but that is pretty much it.

You mean Nash has Amare.

LEBRON_KING_23
04-03-2010, 08:09 PM
It is defently the Cavaliers. No one can do anything but the King Lebron on that team. He's carried that team single handedly to 60 wins. It's truly him against the league. And he will win it all this year by himself easy.

Love it.

Hawkeye15
04-03-2010, 08:09 PM
Utah. They barely have a starting SG, and minimal depth with Milisap, Matthews, and Korver.

evadatam5150
04-03-2010, 08:30 PM
How has nobody said Lebron yet? If you take Lebron off the Cavs, then they're a 30 win team tops. Jamison is pretty good, Williams and Shaq are a little above average, after that they're all role players.

I have to agree here.. Enough of the Durant factor.. Seriously Durant and Thunder talk is getting ridiculous.. But I'm still absolutely confused how Cleveland wins as many games as they do with that team.. Obviously James is great but the rest of those clowns...?? I just don't get it.. And the Cavs apologists can just quit trying to sell us on why this team is great.. They aren't.. James is great the rest are avg or below avg at best.. Kudo's to James for doing what he's doing with that team..

LEBRON_KING_23
04-03-2010, 08:34 PM
Thats what I hate. Jordan and Kobe both had great teammates, yet they get called the best ever bla bla. Lebron is the best ever, look at the team he carries.
Jordan and Kobe could never win anything by themselves. Facts are facts

evadatam5150
04-03-2010, 11:25 PM
Thats what I hate. Jordan and Kobe both had great teammates, yet they get called the best ever bla bla. Lebron is the best ever, look at the team he carries.
Jordan and Kobe could never win anything by themselves. Facts are facts

Now you're being ridiculous.. Perhaps someday James will be the greatest, who knows... But as of right now, NO.. James has a long road ahead of him, many more accomplishments to get to that Kobe, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Russel plateau.. Honestly, tell me what he's accomplished thus far in his career that makes him the best ever... How many Championships does he have..?? How many scoring titles..?? How many all Defensive POY does he have..?? Where does he rank on the all time scoring list..??

Again, not saying he wont be there someday, but there's NO way you can call him the best ever at this point..

Swashcuff
04-04-2010, 08:56 AM
Thats what I hate. Jordan and Kobe both had great teammates, yet they get called the best ever bla bla. Lebron is the best ever, look at the team he carries.
Jordan and Kobe could never win anything by themselves. Facts are facts

Are you a total and complete dunce who knows absolutely NOTHING about basketball??? LeBron is the best ever??? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: because of the team he carries. Sigh. LeBron is in the PERFECT system to fit his style of play.

Why not talk about the team Allen Iverson carried to the 2001 NBA finals. The team was a 100000 times worst. But I'll never be ignorant enough to say that A.I. is the greatest ever. Sigh at you man.

tjlipford
04-04-2010, 09:22 AM
I have to say D-Will. They never go get any good wing players for him. Boozer is a beast but they dont have anyone who can really score at will. D-Will is not unstoppable but he is a PG and likes to get his team involved.

They really should try to get some players around him because if not they are gonna lose him.

I also feel like he is the best PG in the game.

JordansBulls
04-04-2010, 11:42 AM
It is defently the Cavaliers. No one can do anything but the King Lebron on that team. He's carried that team single handedly to 60 wins. It's truly him against the league. And he will win it all this year by himself easy.

Love it.

:laugh2::laugh:

netsgiantsyanks
04-04-2010, 12:17 PM
wade and cp3

Lakersfan2483
04-04-2010, 12:44 PM
Why does everyone say "If you take Lebron off the Cavs, then they're a 30 win team... etc"

Yes, there team wouldn't win many games, but his supporting cast is built perfectly for his game. You have a ton of spot up shooters, good defenders, and players that hustle. His supporting cast has size, athleticism, and desire. Lebron couldn't ask for more in a supporting cast.

Lebron has an amazing supporting cast considering the type of player he is. The names aren't all that big, but he's got one of the best supporting casts in the league, and that's probably why he will stay in Cleveland. Lebron's supporting cast compliments his game so well. (It could always be better, but I'm sure Lebron is pretty damn happy with the group he is with now). The Cavs are legit contenders and I expect them to make it to the Finals.

Getting tired of hearing that garbage from people...

:clap: Any knowledgable basketball fan knows how well his supporting cast compliment's his game and that his supporting cast is one of the best in the business.

Swashcuff
04-04-2010, 01:32 PM
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:clap: Any knowledgable basketball fan knows how well his supporting cast compliment's his game and that his supporting cast is one of the best in the business.

:clap::clap::clap: well said.

iam brett favre
04-04-2010, 01:35 PM
Utah has Boozer, Okur, Millsap, Kirilenko, etc...not "stars" but still more than enough to get them the ring :nod:

iFYouSeekAmy
04-04-2010, 05:13 PM
Utah is a contender.. but I'm not so sure they can make it far to the finals.