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GSW Hoops
03-29-2010, 05:14 PM
What do you guys think? Can Ron keep LeBron under 25 PPG and below 45% shooting if the Lakers and Cavs meet in the Finals?

A few years ago I think Ron could have contained virtually any SF in the league, but these days I'm not so sure.

D Roses Bulls
03-29-2010, 05:19 PM
What do you guys think? Can Ron keep LeBron under 25 PPG and below 45% shooting if the Lakers and Cavs meet in the Finals?

A few years ago I think Ron could have contained virtually any SF in the league, but these days I'm not so sure.

Lebron? no..... it will be most likely be VC guarding artest in the finals because it will be the magic in the finals.

Magic>Cavs

NYtilIdie
03-29-2010, 05:37 PM
Lebron showed us on X-Mas he's just to much for Ron. Artest tries to bully guys because he's pretty big compared to other SF's which is how he earned his rep as a great defender. Now while most SF's get bothered by how physical Artest is it doesn't bother Lebron. Lebron said he loves to play physical (hell the dude drives through the lane like he's a RB).

Lebron is just too big for Artest to try and get physical with him. Lebron was literally shoving Artest around on the X-Mas game. Although I do think there will be times where Lebron will get frustrated by Artest.

Didn't Lebron run him over during the X-Mas game?

tdunk21
03-29-2010, 05:39 PM
Lebron showed us on X-Mas he's just to much for Ron. Artest tries to bully guys because he's pretty big compared to other SF's which is how he earned his rep as a great defender. Now while most SF's get bothered by how physical Artest is it doesn't bother Lebron. Lebron said he loves to play physical.

Lebron is just too big for Artest to try and get physical with him. Lebron was literally shoving Artest around on the X-Mas game. Although I do think there will be times where Lebron will get frustrated by Artest.

Didn't Lebron run him over during the X-Mas game?

love ur sig man.....i think i have said that before and am sayin it again....lol

CowboysKB24
03-29-2010, 05:40 PM
What do you guys think? Can Ron keep LeBron under 25 PPG and below 45% shooting if the Lakers and Cavs meet in the Finals?

A few years ago I think Ron could have contained virtually any SF in the league, but these days I'm not so sure.

Lakers will experiment, but if Artest is getting burnt and LBJ is having his way it may benefit LA to use on him some one else like Jamison, who he can shut down.

Guys like Kobe LBJ Wade and other elites scorers just can't be stopped sometimes no matter who guards them. I mean this is far away too. Both of these teams could not be there, who knows.

THISISDAYEAR
03-29-2010, 05:40 PM
LeBron is too big and is too quick for Ron

G-Funk
03-29-2010, 06:25 PM
2 months I would have said hell no, but with Artest losing weight and getting a lot quicker I say that he can contain him to those numbers alteast one time in a 7 game series.

Both Kobe and Artest have a good chance they won't stop him for 7 games, I say just 2.

RaiderLakersA's
03-29-2010, 06:30 PM
Sigh. Way too soon or these kind of threads.

ManRam
03-29-2010, 06:40 PM
Absolutely positively not.

And aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves now?

Raph12
03-29-2010, 07:11 PM
What do you guys think? Can Ron keep LeBron under 25 PPG and below 45% shooting if the Lakers and Cavs meet in the Finals?

A few years ago I think Ron could have contained virtually any SF in the league, but these days I'm not so sure.

Hell no, Lebron saw that it was difficult going one-on-one with Artest, so in the 2nd game, he just used picks and destroyed them for 37pts. Artest doesn't have the footspeed to keep up with Lebron, nor will he be allowed to be as physical as he is with everyone he guards.

Plus, it doesn't even matter, Artest will be busy guarding VC in the Finals. :p

GaSoft16
03-29-2010, 08:08 PM
Artest was heavier and had plantar fascitis in both feet in both games against the Cavs (the game @ LA in December and the game @ Cleveland in January).

It wasn't until February where the treatment was working for his feet, and he's lost significant weight since then, so he's much quicker.


Artest will hold LeBron to 27 ppg on 43% shooting, as the Lakers win the NBA title once again, and Pau Gasol is named Finals MVP.

TheKing23
03-29-2010, 08:16 PM
Hell no, Lebron saw that it was difficult going one-on-one with Artest, so in the 2nd game, he just used picks and destroyed them for 37pts. Artest doesn't have the footspeed to keep up with Lebron, nor will he be allowed to be as physical as he is with everyone he guards.

Plus, it doesn't even matter, Artest will be busy guarding VC in the Finals. :p

The trade deadline's passed... There's no way Vince can play for the Cavs in the finals.

TheKing23
03-29-2010, 08:16 PM
Artest was heavier and had plantar fascitis in both feet in both games against the Cavs (the game @ LA in December and the game @ Cleveland in January).

It wasn't until February where the treatment was working for his feet, and he's lost significant weight since then, so he's much quicker.


Artest will hold LeBron to 27 ppg on 43% shooting, as the Lakers win the NBA title once again, and Pau Gasol is named Finals MVP.

You fail at predictions and life.

GaSoft16
03-29-2010, 08:18 PM
You fail at predictions and life.

Why the personal attack?

RaptorizedKevin
03-29-2010, 08:21 PM
The trade deadline's passed... There's no way Vince can play for the Cavs in the finals.

:facepalm: ralph was saying the magic will make it.

Hawkeye15
03-29-2010, 08:27 PM
the Lakers, not Artest (sorry, Ron-Ron's days of covering LeBron one on one are over), may very well hold LeBron to under 45% shooting, but under 25 ppg? For a series? haha, hell no

D1JM
03-29-2010, 08:31 PM
who in the cavs can stop kobe though?

MagicBucsSox
03-29-2010, 08:38 PM
last yr kobe vs lebron in the finals, this yr lebron vs artest

oh well i love the upsets

mikantsass
03-29-2010, 08:46 PM
Cavs and Lakers will NOT meet in the finals.... book it

Hawkeye15
03-29-2010, 08:49 PM
who in the cavs can stop kobe though?

nobody but Kobe or the Cavs.

goose15
03-29-2010, 08:56 PM
Lebron would light him up.

Hawkeye15
03-29-2010, 08:58 PM
If the Lakers give no help to Artest, Ron will be on the bench in foul trouble very quickly. The Lakers team defense is very good, they have size to keep you out of the paint, and toughness on the perimeter who will be physical. But Artest can no longer guard a player like LeBron for even a 5 minute span without massive help

prodigy
03-29-2010, 09:01 PM
Ron artest has sucked this season. Stat wise and on defense. He will have a good game here and there, but he clearly can't handle Lebron anymore.


If anyone argues that then your clearly a homer.

TheKing23
03-29-2010, 09:05 PM
In all reality there is no one player in the league that can hold LeBron to 25 ppg on sub 45% shooting over a 7 game series. He is THAT good.

If any team hopes to beat the Cavs, whether it's in the first round though to the finals, they have to play great help defense on LeBron and their WHOLE team has to be in sync defensively. His incredible passing ability means you can't double team him whenever you want as well. With phenomenal off the ball players like Varejao and Jamison, he'll make you pay and rack up 12+ assists.

He is now at the stage in his career where he is unguardable one on one... The exact same position Kobe was in a couple of years ago.

_KB24_
03-29-2010, 09:15 PM
The only thing that worrys me is how we are going to contain Dwight. Only barrier I see that can stop us from winning a title.

Jaji
03-29-2010, 09:19 PM
No. Not a chance. LBJ would abuse Artest all series long.

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-29-2010, 09:20 PM
Kobe needs to watch out for Thabo in the playoffs. Ive seen two Lakers vs Thunder games this year and both games Kobe had a pretty terrible game. If they match up in the playoffs i would love to see an upset by the Thunder.

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-29-2010, 09:22 PM
Oh yea and Artest might be able to contain him for a game maybe two, but Lebron will dominate him for most of the series.

Hawkeye15
03-29-2010, 09:25 PM
Kobe needs to watch out for Thabo in the playoffs. Ive seen two Lakers vs Thunder games this year and both games Kobe had a pretty terrible game. If they match up in the playoffs i would love to see an upset by the Thunder.

I would LOVE to see the Thunder upset the Lakers. I would also LOVE the IRS to call me and tell me, "don't worry about it, we got you covered"

TheKing23
03-29-2010, 09:27 PM
:facepalm: ralph was saying the magic will make it.

And I was saying that VC will not be guarded by Artest because the Cavs will make it... Do you understand?

Now take that :facepalm: and shove it up your ***.

Avenged
03-29-2010, 09:38 PM
Yeah Artest just can't stop Lebron for a series. He might be able to do it for 1 or 2 games. Perhaps not stop but "contain". 1 game in the playoffs makes a huge difference throughout a series.

_KB24_
03-29-2010, 10:39 PM
We could throw Artest and Kobe on Lebron, two of the greatest defenders of all time.

The Cavs are the ones who would need to find a way to stop Kobe.

jackdawson
03-29-2010, 10:43 PM
NO way! LeBron is too quick, strong, athletic. I have always thought Artest defense is mainly physical defense. He is too strong for most other wing players, but LeBron will just destroy Artest.

FOBolous
03-29-2010, 10:44 PM
As a Rockets fan, all these Artest threads make me miss him. Him and Shane Battier worked very well together on defense last year. I remember them shutting down BOTH kobe and lebron last year when the Rockets played them. *sigh* it was a thing of beauty. I think we won every game we played against Cleveland last year? not sure. those were the good 'ole days when the Rockets actually played defense.

mr_relevant
03-30-2010, 02:10 AM
I can see a healthy, motivated Artest doing to LBJ what he did to Granger, but I still think he'd average 29/7 but with 3-4 turnovers a game. I wouldn't worry too much about the supposed speed advantage, because Phil Jackson is usually good at drawing up defenses aimed at stopping the player whose team's entire offense is on his shoulder.

Stop LBJ and force the other players to step up.

mr_relevant
03-30-2010, 02:10 AM
Didn't Lebron run him over during the X-Mas game?

He had a good game, but he didn't "run over" an injured Artest.

Raph12
03-30-2010, 02:53 AM
The trade deadline's passed... There's no way Vince can play for the Cavs in the finals.

The Cavs made the finals? Oh you mean for fishing right? After all, they got all that practise from last year. :p


:facepalm: ralph was saying the magic will make it.

Raph not "Ralph"

It's short for Raphael.


And I was saying that VC will not be guarded by Artest because the Cavs will make it... Do you understand?

Now take that :facepalm: and shove it up your ***.

Calm down bro, it was an honest mistake on his part, a stupid one, but sincere nonetheless lol.

See you in the ECFs.

Avenged
03-30-2010, 02:57 AM
The Cavs made the finals? Oh you mean for fishing right? After all, they got all that practise from last year. :p



Raph not "Ralph"

It's short for Raphael.



Calm down bro, it was an honest mistake on his part, a stupid one, but sincere nonetheless lol.

See you in the ECFs.

He's not a Celtics fan.. :p

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-30-2010, 02:58 AM
Ron artest has sucked this season. Stat wise and on defense. He will have a good game here and there, but he clearly can't handle Lebron anymore.


If anyone argues that then your clearly a homer.

yeah cause the lakers are number 1 defensive team in the NBA!

Your IQ must be high really high

mr_relevant
03-30-2010, 03:00 AM
^BOOM hahaha

Hawkeye15
03-30-2010, 03:01 AM
yeah cause the lakers are number 1 defensive team in the NBA!

Your IQ must be high really high

The Lakers defensive efficiency has been high despite Artest's horrible season. Its pretty simple

Avenged
03-30-2010, 03:16 AM
Horrible season? Every single Laker says that Artest is the reason they play such good defense. Kobe says that he is the offensive captain, and Artest is the defensive captain. Artest has played great defense all year. He is the Lakers best three point shooter and has been very unselfish with the ball. Almost to a fault. He is worth every bit of that mimimum salary he is getting. He has done nothing to distract the team and has been nothing but a positive player since being on the Lakers.

If not Artest, who is the Lakers best defensive player? Kobe is just relaxing on defense now a days. Fisher cant stop a single person from getting to the paint, Gasol wont leave his feet to contest shots, and Bynum is pretty good, but is still not right on his knees and is always called out for not caring about the defensive side of the ball. Artest is the main reason for the Lakers high ranking in defensive efficiency

It's always "Kobe says this, Kobe says that", do you guys follow everything he says?

Avenged
03-30-2010, 03:29 AM
:confused: I could say the same thing about every sports star or personality. There have been threads with the title saying "Lebrons says" "Phil Jackson says" "Rick Kamla says". Why would you make that comment just because I said something everyone else uses for every person in the news. If I brought up something Kobe said and it had nothing to do with the Lakers, I could see the validity in your comment. But since it has to do with the Lakers, and Kobe is the star player, I suggest you just shut up and go to sleep. Its getting late and your probably getting grumpy

Haha this is true! :p
but anyways, didn't know my words offended you that much, im flattered really. Lol. If you want to follow everything your Messiah says, by any means go ahead! silly of me to think other wise.

GaSoft16
03-30-2010, 03:30 AM
Artest to LeBron:


Ain't gonna happen with me on you though. ARTEST SHUT YOU DOWN! THAT'S WHAT I DO! YEA, I SHUT YOU DOWN! You know how many things I've shut down? I've shut down schools...and closed dryers and stuff like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po5jjkZAK9s



BEWARE LEBRON!! ARTEST SHUT YOU DOWN!!

tredigs
03-30-2010, 05:00 AM
Artest to LeBron:


Ain't gonna happen with me on you though. ARTEST SHUT YOU DOWN! THAT'S WHAT I DO! YEA, I SHUT YOU DOWN! You know how many things I've shut down? I've shut down schools...and closed dryers and stuff like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po5jjkZAK9s



BEWARE LEBRON!! ARTEST SHUT YOU DOWN!!

You just redeemed yourself for at least half of your Gasol mancrush posts. That video is friggin' hilarious. "KB 24 Fitty bucks *****!"

prodigy
03-30-2010, 10:25 AM
yeah cause the laker's are number 1 defensive team in the NBA!

Your IQ must be high really high


Artest has been a bum. Every game I watch he's jacking up Air balls and looking foolish. Artest is a bully. Thats how he defends. Lebron is the principle. He will grab Artest by the ear AND JACK THAT FOOL UP!!!!!!!

He's going to make Artest so dizzy, that he falls down the steps again...

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-30-2010, 10:47 AM
Artest has been a bum. Every game I watch he's jacking up Air balls and looking foolish. Artest is a bully. Thats how he defends. Lebron is the principle. He will grab Artest by the ear AND JACK THAT FOOL UP!!!!!!!

He's going to make Artest so dizzy, that he falls down the steps again...


We don't need his offense, he's here for defense, do you understand that!

We got plenty of offensive power from bynum, pau, kobe and lamar!

And his shooting percentages are above his average slightly!

Your post is the epitome of wrongness

Kobe2324
03-30-2010, 11:11 AM
obviously I am a fan of artest cause I am a Lakers fan but no he cant keep lebron under 25 ppg but yess he can make him shoot 45% or less, Lebron is gonna get his points but Artest will make it harder, also Kobe defends Lebron probly better than anyone in the league so that will help as well. But nobody can stop Lebron or Kobe, its just a matter of making them make tough shots and we know Kobe is the best hard shot maker in the league, maybe even history.

coloradobuff
03-30-2010, 11:59 AM
lakers vs cavs nba finals matchup is -175 at sportsbook.com

G-Funk
03-30-2010, 02:08 PM
Artest has been a bum. Every game I watch he's jacking up Air balls and looking foolish.




The Lakers defensive efficiency has been high despite Artest's horrible season. Its pretty simple

:facepalm: How can you guys just get away with that? I would love to see a stat that proves your points.

prodigy
03-30-2010, 05:49 PM
:facepalm: How can you guys just get away with that? I would love to see a stat that proves your points.
\

He's a SF who shoots 40%. Nuff said.

prodigy
03-30-2010, 05:53 PM
We don't need his offense, he's here for defense, do you understand that!


You will need some offense from him. If he's shooting bad then that helps the Cavs.

His defense has not been that good vs the cavs.

Bruno
03-30-2010, 06:58 PM
I'm not sold that he can. A part of me thinks LeBron is going to destroy Artest. Another part of me thinks he can slow him down just enough to be effective. I think Artest needs to make LeBron work on defense, and he needs to be extremely physical.

I'm still on the fence with the Artest/Ariza swap, and I will be until Ron proves the doubters wrong in the playoffs. I don't doubt a 25 year old Artest could be effective on 25 year old LeBron, but Artest is not in his prime anymore, and carring around 260-270 pounds for five years has caught up with his feet and knees.

If Artest can't defend LeBron then you know Kobe will get some time on him. Kobe with all of his injuries this year might not have it in him to guard LeBron and still be effective on offense. The Lakers may need an unsung hero this year to get past Cleveland.

Miltown34
03-30-2010, 07:13 PM
Absolutely positively not.

And aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves now?

he said if they meet in the finals people need 2 chill out

iggypop123
03-30-2010, 07:57 PM
lebron doesnt operate under the block he just isolates at the top of the key where he operates easier. he can either do his lower the shoulder strategy scream and get 30 ft a game or since the defender backs off take a left handed dribble rythum J.

Fireworld
03-30-2010, 08:06 PM
I'm sure he'll bother him a bit, but not stop him. I don't think anyone man can stop Bron except Bron.

I don't know anyone else in the NBA that can guard him better. Maybe J. Smith?

Hawkeye15
03-30-2010, 08:07 PM
We could throw Artest and Kobe on Lebron, two of the greatest defenders of all time.

The Cavs are the ones who would need to find a way to stop Kobe.

haha, mmkay

Hawkeye15
03-30-2010, 08:10 PM
yeah cause the lakers are number 1 defensive team in the NBA!

Your IQ must be high really high

efficiency wise, Artest has had a horrendous year. He isn't even average for an NBA player anymore. And besides, he hasn't been an elite defender for 5 years.

Jahari Kavi
03-30-2010, 08:13 PM
artest doesn't have the lateral quickness to keep up with quick players........

prodigy
03-31-2010, 09:41 AM
lebron doesn't operate under the block he just isolates at the top of the key where he operates easier. he can either do his lower the shoulder strategy scream and get 30 ft a game or since the defender backs off take a left handed dribble rhythm J.


Funny you say that, The only games where he made a home down low was against the Laker's. I remember the first game Where lebron was Just destroying Artest down low.

king4day
03-31-2010, 09:46 AM
That's like saying Bowen or Bell would keep Kobe from his average.
Artest is a great defender, but Lebron will still get his.

MagicDojo
03-31-2010, 09:51 AM
Artest and Lebron will never meet in the Finals because the Cavs cannot beat the Magic in a 7 game series.

prodigy
03-31-2010, 09:58 AM
Artest and Lebron will never meet in the Finals because the Cavs cannot beat the Magic in a 7 game series.


hahahaha

Don't do drugs kids.

MagicDojo
03-31-2010, 10:00 AM
hahahaha

Don't do drugs kids.

Ok and thats what you said last year too.:D



Fail.

G-Funk
03-31-2010, 10:10 AM
Artest and Lebron will never meet in the Finals because the Cavs cannot beat the Magic in a 7 game series.

Very good point

BOSTON617
03-31-2010, 10:36 AM
dont think theyll be in the finals

prodigy
03-31-2010, 10:47 AM
Ok and thats what you said last year too.:D



Fail.


really? YOU STALKING ME?

fail!!!

prodigy
03-31-2010, 10:49 AM
Its going to be a lot thougher for the Laker's to get to the finals then Cleveland.

Every round for LA could go 6-7. Only the East Finals could go that long for Cleveland.

TheKing23
03-31-2010, 12:01 PM
Artest and Lebron will never meet in the Finals because the Cavs cannot beat the Magic in a 7 game series.

Fair enough, but i'd love to know why you think this.

You can't use last year as a measuring stick as both teams are so drastically changed.

The Cavs only have 6 players that played a big part in the ECF's still on their roster (LeBron, Mo, Delonte, Z, Varejao, Gibson... Hickson didn't play in the playoffs last year). They've "lost" Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Sasha Pavlovic, Wally Szczerbiak and Tarence Kinsey and added Shaq, Jamison, Parker, Moon and Powe. The Cavs are arguably playing better ball this season than last, LeBron is now comfortably the best player on the planet and we haven't struggled as much with the elite teams like we did last year.

I'm not saying it's a given the Cavs will beat the Magic, I would just love to know why you're so confident the Magic will win if they meet again in the ECF's (without the whole "the Cavs lost last year" etc.)

G-Funk
03-31-2010, 12:31 PM
Ron artest has sucked this season. Stat wise and on defense. He will have a good game here and there, but he clearly can't handle Lebron anymore.


If anyone argues that then your clearly a homer.





Artest has been a bum. Every game I watch he's jacking up Air balls and looking foolish.




The Lakers defensive efficiency has been high despite Artest's horrible season. Its pretty simple



efficiency wise, Artest has had a horrendous year. He isn't even average for an NBA player anymore. And besides, he hasn't been an elite defender for 5 years.

The Lakers are permitting four fewer points per 100 possessions when Artest is on the court compared to when he sits, a better improvement than the 0.6 fewer points per 100 possessions that Ariza contributed last season when he played.

The Lakers' offense improves 1.8 points per 100 possessions when Artest plays compared to when he sits. By contrast, L.A. scored 0.9 fewer points per 100 possessions when Ariza was on the court last season -- it was more efficient when he was benched.

jackdawson
03-31-2010, 01:01 PM
We could throw Artest and Kobe on Lebron, two of the greatest defenders of all time.

The Cavs are the ones who would need to find a way to stop Kobe.

1. :laugh:

2. I thought they played twice this year and found a way to contain him both time.

tr4shb0t
03-31-2010, 01:11 PM
No, the refs ensure that the superstars get their share of points. Sometimes that means fouling a guy out or taking him out of the game so a superstar is not impeded. Remember the ECF last year when Dwight Howard was in foul trouble for an entire series and fouled out a few times. All because he is a good interior defender and the league needs to make an entertaining series out of it. Superstars will always get their points in nationally televised games. Some will just need more help than others.