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BallinGid3
03-27-2010, 01:05 AM
I just had the idea of starting this thread. So state your unpopular opinion's about the nba , its players etc etc etc.

:)

asandhu23
03-27-2010, 01:11 AM
Jordan is/ was overrated. He was a ballhog and terrible team player.


oh and this thread wont end in a good way.

KG2TB
03-27-2010, 01:14 AM
That the NBA has gone soft and David Stern should be fed to the lions

marvILLous
03-27-2010, 01:16 AM
yao ming has the biggest dick in the nba

Chacarron
03-27-2010, 01:16 AM
(Rose>Rondo<Westbrook)<<<DRAGIC :D

Vinny642
03-27-2010, 01:16 AM
Chris Paul is the most efficient player in terms of scoring and assisting without turnovers.

jimbobjarree
03-27-2010, 01:20 AM
air france>MJ

abe_froman
03-27-2010, 01:22 AM
derrick rose isnt that bad of a player(probably the most unpopular thing that can be said on here)

oh and mike james jokes arent really funny anymore...and wasnt that funny to begin with

Doogolas
03-27-2010, 01:22 AM
Monta Ellis > LBJ. What now *****es?

tredigs
03-27-2010, 01:28 AM
Wade's the second best player in the NBA to Lebron.

And on a non NBA tip, I want to hate slay Ann Coulter.

lvlheaded
03-27-2010, 01:32 AM
Lebron will go down as the best player ever, hands down

Hellcrooner
03-27-2010, 01:33 AM
1 Jordan is a Goat CANDIDATE but not the Hands down Goat

2 Tim duncan is the best player of thelast decade.

3 Pau is better than Dirk.

4 I woudl trade Kobe for Lebron ( im a lakerfan)

5 Iverson is the most overate player in the last 10 years.

6 Spain with al its players can defeat team usa.

This thread will get closed soon since it cant go any way but down once the usual suspects start bashing other psotrs for their beliefs.

NetsPaint
03-27-2010, 01:34 AM
Allen Iverson is a better player than LeBron.

dsickich123
03-27-2010, 01:37 AM
Russell Westbrook needs to be reckognized!

Seattle still got jipped....SUPERSONICS 2011

jimbobjarree
03-27-2010, 02:00 AM
Great Britain for gold in 2012!

Hellcrooner
03-27-2010, 02:01 AM
Great Britain for gold in 2012!

Lol.

Sox Appeal
03-27-2010, 02:04 AM
Mark Blount is better than Mike James.

COMEATMEBRO.

momoneyyyy
03-27-2010, 02:12 AM
daivid stern hates the mavs...

Hawkize31
03-27-2010, 02:12 AM
Cavs were better than the Magic last year, and are this year. This year they will have more than 1 player show up to the ECF, however.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:12 AM
Jordan is/ was overrated. He was a ballhog and terrible team player.


oh and this thread wont end in a good way.

So Wilt was the GOAT??

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:13 AM
yao ming has the biggest dick in the nba

Then Dwight Howard has the strongest one!

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 02:16 AM
zach randolph has the biggest boobs in the nba

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:17 AM
Wade's the second best player in the NBA to Lebron.
And on a non NBA tip, I want to hate slay Ann Coulter.

Fixed. 3rd is Kobe's most deserving place (this year) and next year Durant is gonna take his place.

Raph12
03-27-2010, 02:21 AM
Lebron's a dick, he needs to be more humble.

Wade's overrated, he's not that good.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:22 AM
1 Jordan is a Goat CANDIDATE but not the Hands down Goat
2 Tim duncan is the best player of thelast decade.

3 Pau is better than Dirk.

4 I woudl trade Kobe for Lebron ( im a lakerfan)

5 Iverson is the most overate player in the last 10 years.
6 Spain with al its players can defeat team usa.

This thread will get closed soon since it cant go any way but down once the usual suspects start bashing other psotrs for their beliefs.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:24 AM
that...
1. LeBron
2. Wade
3.Durant.

Also, Dwight Howard is overrated. He is a complete failure/non factor on the offensive end. Joel Anthony was enough to shut him down and he had a terrible series against Miami Heat in the 4 game season series.

Doogolas
03-27-2010, 02:26 AM
that...
1. LeBron
2. Wade
3.Durant.

Also, Dwight Howard is overrated. He is a complete failure/non factor on the offensive end. Joel Anthony was enough to shut him down and he had a terrible series against Miami Heat in the 4 game season series.

Regardless of how they get their points, nobody who puts up 20 per game is a nonfactor. :shrug:

Also, offensive boards are a factor on offense. So that would also make him a fairly large factor.

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 02:27 AM
Jordan is/ was overrated. He was a ballhog and terrible team player.


oh and this thread wont end in a good way.

AGAIN, I AM LAUGHING SO HARD I CAN'T TYPE! So, NOW, your "logic" is that Jordan's FRESHMAN year is the determinant of all of your assertions in here that he was the 3rd or 4th best player on his team? WHAT THE HELL ABOUT THE 2ND YEAR?= PLAYER OF THE YEAR, BRO. AND THE THIRD YEAR?- AGAIN, PLAYER OF THE YEAR, AND ALL THE AWARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT BASKETBALL-like Wooden, etc...LOL.....Of course, I guess that somebody obviously forgot to include you in all of that. -LOL. Sorry,....but is is time for you to take back your statement...it is just too far out there to backtrack now.-LOL!


I am sorry, gramps, but you blew it this time. You just outed yourself perfectly. Take your Geritol.

Here is a re-hash of Jordan's accomplishments just so we make sure you have seen them. Michael Jordan. Basketball Player, NBA. Jot it down...lol!

Michael Jordan's NBA Achievements
# Drafted No. 3 by the Bulls in the first round
# Six NBA championship teams (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals MVP six times (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals single-series record for highest PPG average 41.0 (1993)
# NBA Most Valuable Player five times (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
# All-NBA First Team ten times (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
# NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time team (1996)
# Highest career PPG ave. (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) - 30.1
# Holds record for most seasons leading the league in scoring - 10
# Shares record for the most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring - 7 (1986-1993)
# Had a streak of nine consecutive games scoring 40 points or more (Nov. 28 - Dec. 12, 1986)
# Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277), assists (5,012), and steals (2,306)
# 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-1998, 2002-2003)
# All time scoring leader in All-Star history (262 points)
# Fourth highest scoring average for career All-Star games (20.2 ppg)
# Named the All-Star MVP three times (1988, 1996, 1998)
# Won the All-Star Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988
# Had his #23 jersey retired at the United Center on 11/1/94
# Returned from retirement on 3/19/95 at Indiana to total 19 points
# Has posted 28 career triple-doubles
# 2 Time All-American & NCAA Player of the Year award
# Two playoff career triple-doubles, both at New York (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
# Named the 1988 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
# Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against Boston on 5/20/86
# Eight playoff games with 50 pts. or more
# 30 regular season games with 50 pts. or more
# 173 games with 40 points or more
# Has hit 28 game-winning shots in the NBA
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA championship game as a freshman
# Named NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
# A member of the gold medal-winning 1984 and 1992 United States Olympic Basketball Teams
# Ranked 3rd in All-Time leader in points scored
# All-Star record having the only triple-double in an All-Star game (1997)
# Member of the 1997 McDonald's Classic Championship team in Paris
# Won the 1997 McDonald's Classic MVP award
# All-time record for most consectutive double-figure scoring games
# Holds the all-time playoff record for the most steals
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1998 Finals to win a sixth and final championship
# Had his #23 jersey retired for the second time at the United Center on 1/13/99
# Returned from retirement on 9/25/01 to play for the Wizards
# Scored 19 points in his first debut as a Wizard on 10/30/01
# Notched his 30,000th point on 1/4/02 against the Bulls
# Only 40 year old NBA player to ever score over 40 points on 2/21/03
# Had his #23 jersey retired by the Miami Heat in honor of him on 4/11/03
# Scored 15 points in the final game of his NBA career on 4/16/03 against Philadelphia
# Finished his career with 32,292 points, 5,633 assists and 6,672 rebounds.


Not to mention...

# Member of the NCAA Division I Championship team in 1982
# Named NCAA College Player of the Year in 1983 and 1984
# Unanimous selection for First Team All-American in 1983 and 1984
# Winner of the Dr. James Naismith Award in 1984
# Winner of the John Wooden Award in 1984
# Left North Carolina after his Junior year


...sorry bro, but to call Kobe or anyone else better than Jordan is just laughable.
Case closed!

Lakersfan2483
03-27-2010, 02:29 AM
The Magic are still the best team in the East despite most people saying it's Cleveland's year.

Kevin Durant is a great player, but he's not a top 5 player in the NBA yet.

The officiating in the NBA is worse than it's ever been and I am talking about the officiating as a whole over the past 5 years or so.

The NBA needs to get rid of the no-hand checking rule and allow players to play a more physical brand of basketball. I would like to see the NBA get back to the 80's/early 90's style of play.

Dwight Howard is the best big man in the NBA, hands down. He's also a top 5 player.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:30 AM
check his performances in those 4 games, I have watched all 4 closely and he was a COMPLETE non-factor even when the magic won.

wolf3742
03-27-2010, 02:30 AM
Vince Carter is the best player in the whole world :D (This for those who still remember senseiking)

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:31 AM
AGAIN, I AM LAUGHING SO HARD I CAN'T TYPE! So, NOW, your "logic" is that Jordan's FRESHMAN year is the determinant of all of your assertions in here that he was the 3rd or 4th best player on his team? WHAT THE HELL ABOUT THE 2ND YEAR?= PLAYER OF THE YEAR, BRO. AND THE THIRD YEAR?- AGAIN, PLAYER OF THE YEAR, AND ALL THE AWARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT BASKETBALL-like Wooden, etc...LOL.....Of course, I guess that somebody obviously forgot to include you in all of that. -LOL. Sorry,....but is is time for you to take back your statement...it is just too far out there to backtrack now.-LOL!


I am sorry, gramps, but you blew it this time. You just outed yourself perfectly. Take your Geritol.

Here is a re-hash of Jordan's accomplishments just so we make sure you have seen them. Michael Jordan. Basketball Player, NBA. Jot it down...lol!

Michael Jordan's NBA Achievements
# Drafted No. 3 by the Bulls in the first round
# Six NBA championship teams (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals MVP six times (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals single-series record for highest PPG average 41.0 (1993)
# NBA Most Valuable Player five times (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
# All-NBA First Team ten times (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
# NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time team (1996)
# Highest career PPG ave. (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) - 30.1
# Holds record for most seasons leading the league in scoring - 10
# Shares record for the most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring - 7 (1986-1993)
# Had a streak of nine consecutive games scoring 40 points or more (Nov. 28 - Dec. 12, 1986)
# Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277), assists (5,012), and steals (2,306)
# 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-1998, 2002-2003)
# All time scoring leader in All-Star history (262 points)
# Fourth highest scoring average for career All-Star games (20.2 ppg)
# Named the All-Star MVP three times (1988, 1996, 1998)
# Won the All-Star Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988
# Had his #23 jersey retired at the United Center on 11/1/94
# Returned from retirement on 3/19/95 at Indiana to total 19 points
# Has posted 28 career triple-doubles
# 2 Time All-American & NCAA Player of the Year award
# Two playoff career triple-doubles, both at New York (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
# Named the 1988 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
# Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against Boston on 5/20/86
# Eight playoff games with 50 pts. or more
# 30 regular season games with 50 pts. or more
# 173 games with 40 points or more
# Has hit 28 game-winning shots in the NBA
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA championship game as a freshman
# Named NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
# A member of the gold medal-winning 1984 and 1992 United States Olympic Basketball Teams
# Ranked 3rd in All-Time leader in points scored
# All-Star record having the only triple-double in an All-Star game (1997)
# Member of the 1997 McDonald's Classic Championship team in Paris
# Won the 1997 McDonald's Classic MVP award
# All-time record for most consectutive double-figure scoring games
# Holds the all-time playoff record for the most steals
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1998 Finals to win a sixth and final championship
# Had his #23 jersey retired for the second time at the United Center on 1/13/99
# Returned from retirement on 9/25/01 to play for the Wizards
# Scored 19 points in his first debut as a Wizard on 10/30/01
# Notched his 30,000th point on 1/4/02 against the Bulls
# Only 40 year old NBA player to ever score over 40 points on 2/21/03
# Had his #23 jersey retired by the Miami Heat in honor of him on 4/11/03
# Scored 15 points in the final game of his NBA career on 4/16/03 against Philadelphia
# Finished his career with 32,292 points, 5,633 assists and 6,672 rebounds.


Not to mention...

# Member of the NCAA Division I Championship team in 1982
# Named NCAA College Player of the Year in 1983 and 1984
# Unanimous selection for First Team All-American in 1983 and 1984
# Winner of the Dr. James Naismith Award in 1984
# Winner of the John Wooden Award in 1984
# Left North Carolina after his Junior year


...sorry bro, but to call Kobe or anyone else better than Jordan is just laughable.
Case closed!

Thank you!!!

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 02:31 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

damn....well, here goes for you too, squirelbait...

AGAIN, I AM LAUGHING SO HARD I CAN'T TYPE! So, NOW, your "logic" is that Jordan's FRESHMAN year is the determinant of all of your assertions in here that he was the 3rd or 4th best player on his team? WHAT THE HELL ABOUT THE 2ND YEAR?= PLAYER OF THE YEAR, BRO. AND THE THIRD YEAR?- AGAIN, PLAYER OF THE YEAR, AND ALL THE AWARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT BASKETBALL-like Wooden, etc...LOL.....Of course, I guess that somebody obviously forgot to include you in all of that. -LOL. Sorry,....but is is time for you to take back your statement...it is just too far out there to backtrack now.-LOL!


I am sorry, gramps, but you blew it this time. You just outed yourself perfectly. Take your Geritol.

Here is a re-hash of Jordan's accomplishments just so we make sure you have seen them. Michael Jordan. Basketball Player, NBA. Jot it down...lol!

Michael Jordan's NBA Achievements
# Drafted No. 3 by the Bulls in the first round
# Six NBA championship teams (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals MVP six times (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals single-series record for highest PPG average 41.0 (1993)
# NBA Most Valuable Player five times (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
# All-NBA First Team ten times (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
# NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time team (1996)
# Highest career PPG ave. (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) - 30.1
# Holds record for most seasons leading the league in scoring - 10
# Shares record for the most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring - 7 (1986-1993)
# Had a streak of nine consecutive games scoring 40 points or more (Nov. 28 - Dec. 12, 1986)
# Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277), assists (5,012), and steals (2,306)
# 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-1998, 2002-2003)
# All time scoring leader in All-Star history (262 points)
# Fourth highest scoring average for career All-Star games (20.2 ppg)
# Named the All-Star MVP three times (1988, 1996, 1998)
# Won the All-Star Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988
# Had his #23 jersey retired at the United Center on 11/1/94
# Returned from retirement on 3/19/95 at Indiana to total 19 points
# Has posted 28 career triple-doubles
# 2 Time All-American & NCAA Player of the Year award
# Two playoff career triple-doubles, both at New York (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
# Named the 1988 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
# Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against Boston on 5/20/86
# Eight playoff games with 50 pts. or more
# 30 regular season games with 50 pts. or more
# 173 games with 40 points or more
# Has hit 28 game-winning shots in the NBA
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA championship game as a freshman
# Named NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
# A member of the gold medal-winning 1984 and 1992 United States Olympic Basketball Teams
# Ranked 3rd in All-Time leader in points scored
# All-Star record having the only triple-double in an All-Star game (1997)
# Member of the 1997 McDonald's Classic Championship team in Paris
# Won the 1997 McDonald's Classic MVP award
# All-time record for most consectutive double-figure scoring games
# Holds the all-time playoff record for the most steals
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1998 Finals to win a sixth and final championship
# Had his #23 jersey retired for the second time at the United Center on 1/13/99
# Returned from retirement on 9/25/01 to play for the Wizards
# Scored 19 points in his first debut as a Wizard on 10/30/01
# Notched his 30,000th point on 1/4/02 against the Bulls
# Only 40 year old NBA player to ever score over 40 points on 2/21/03
# Had his #23 jersey retired by the Miami Heat in honor of him on 4/11/03
# Scored 15 points in the final game of his NBA career on 4/16/03 against Philadelphia
# Finished his career with 32,292 points, 5,633 assists and 6,672 rebounds.


Not to mention...

# Member of the NCAA Division I Championship team in 1982
# Named NCAA College Player of the Year in 1983 and 1984
# Unanimous selection for First Team All-American in 1983 and 1984
# Winner of the Dr. James Naismith Award in 1984
# Winner of the John Wooden Award in 1984
# Left North Carolina after his Junior year


...sorry bro, but to call Kobe or anyone else better than Jordan is just laughable.
Case closed!

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:33 AM
damn....well, hee goes for u 2...

AGAIN, I AM LAUGHING SO HARD I CAN'T TYPE! So, NOW, your "logic" is that Jordan's FRESHMAN year is the determinant of all of your assertions in here that he was the 3rd or 4th best player on his team? WHAT THE HELL ABOUT THE 2ND YEAR?= PLAYER OF THE YEAR, BRO. AND THE THIRD YEAR?- AGAIN, PLAYER OF THE YEAR, AND ALL THE AWARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT BASKETBALL-like Wooden, etc...LOL.....Of course, I guess that somebody obviously forgot to include you in all of that. -LOL. Sorry,....but is is time for you to take back your statement...it is just too far out there to backtrack now.-LOL!


I am sorry, gramps, but you blew it this time. You just outed yourself perfectly. Take your Geritol.

Here is a re-hash of Jordan's accomplishments just so we make sure you have seen them. Michael Jordan. Basketball Player, NBA. Jot it down...lol!

Michael Jordan's NBA Achievements
# Drafted No. 3 by the Bulls in the first round
# Six NBA championship teams (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals MVP six times (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals single-series record for highest PPG average 41.0 (1993)
# NBA Most Valuable Player five times (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
# All-NBA First Team ten times (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
# NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time team (1996)
# Highest career PPG ave. (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) - 30.1
# Holds record for most seasons leading the league in scoring - 10
# Shares record for the most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring - 7 (1986-1993)
# Had a streak of nine consecutive games scoring 40 points or more (Nov. 28 - Dec. 12, 1986)
# Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277), assists (5,012), and steals (2,306)
# 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-1998, 2002-2003)
# All time scoring leader in All-Star history (262 points)
# Fourth highest scoring average for career All-Star games (20.2 ppg)
# Named the All-Star MVP three times (1988, 1996, 1998)
# Won the All-Star Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988
# Had his #23 jersey retired at the United Center on 11/1/94
# Returned from retirement on 3/19/95 at Indiana to total 19 points
# Has posted 28 career triple-doubles
# 2 Time All-American & NCAA Player of the Year award
# Two playoff career triple-doubles, both at New York (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
# Named the 1988 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
# Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against Boston on 5/20/86
# Eight playoff games with 50 pts. or more
# 30 regular season games with 50 pts. or more
# 173 games with 40 points or more
# Has hit 28 game-winning shots in the NBA
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA championship game as a freshman
# Named NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
# A member of the gold medal-winning 1984 and 1992 United States Olympic Basketball Teams
# Ranked 3rd in All-Time leader in points scored
# All-Star record having the only triple-double in an All-Star game (1997)
# Member of the 1997 McDonald's Classic Championship team in Paris
# Won the 1997 McDonald's Classic MVP award
# All-time record for most consectutive double-figure scoring games
# Holds the all-time playoff record for the most steals
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1998 Finals to win a sixth and final championship
# Had his #23 jersey retired for the second time at the United Center on 1/13/99
# Returned from retirement on 9/25/01 to play for the Wizards
# Scored 19 points in his first debut as a Wizard on 10/30/01
# Notched his 30,000th point on 1/4/02 against the Bulls
# Only 40 year old NBA player to ever score over 40 points on 2/21/03
# Had his #23 jersey retired by the Miami Heat in honor of him on 4/11/03
# Scored 15 points in the final game of his NBA career on 4/16/03 against Philadelphia
# Finished his career with 32,292 points, 5,633 assists and 6,672 rebounds.


Not to mention...

# Member of the NCAA Division I Championship team in 1982
# Named NCAA College Player of the Year in 1983 and 1984
# Unanimous selection for First Team All-American in 1983 and 1984
# Winner of the Dr. James Naismith Award in 1984
# Winner of the John Wooden Award in 1984
# Left North Carolina after his Junior year


...sorry bro, but to call Kobe or anyone else better than Jordan is just laughable.
Case closed!

lol...Bro I think u quote me by mistake. I was laughing at HellCrooner for his hilarious (stupid) comments. Check my previous post where I thanked you for the info.

Doogolas
03-27-2010, 02:34 AM
AGAIN, I AM LAUGHING SO HARD I CAN'T TYPE! So, NOW, your "logic" is that Jordan's FRESHMAN year is the determinant of all of your assertions in here that he was the 3rd or 4th best player on his team? WHAT THE HELL ABOUT THE 2ND YEAR?= PLAYER OF THE YEAR, BRO. AND THE THIRD YEAR?- AGAIN, PLAYER OF THE YEAR, AND ALL THE AWARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT BASKETBALL-like Wooden, etc...LOL.....Of course, I guess that somebody obviously forgot to include you in all of that. -LOL. Sorry,....but is is time for you to take back your statement...it is just too far out there to backtrack now.-LOL!


I am sorry, gramps, but you blew it this time. You just outed yourself perfectly. Take your Geritol.

Here is a re-hash of Jordan's accomplishments just so we make sure you have seen them. Michael Jordan. Basketball Player, NBA. Jot it down...lol!

Michael Jordan's NBA Achievements
# Drafted No. 3 by the Bulls in the first round
# Six NBA championship teams (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals MVP six times (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
# NBA Finals single-series record for highest PPG average 41.0 (1993)
# NBA Most Valuable Player five times (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
# All-NBA First Team ten times (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
# NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time team (1996)
# Highest career PPG ave. (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) - 30.1
# Holds record for most seasons leading the league in scoring - 10
# Shares record for the most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring - 7 (1986-1993)
# Had a streak of nine consecutive games scoring 40 points or more (Nov. 28 - Dec. 12, 1986)
# Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277), assists (5,012), and steals (2,306)
# 13 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-1998, 2002-2003)
# All time scoring leader in All-Star history (262 points)
# Fourth highest scoring average for career All-Star games (20.2 ppg)
# Named the All-Star MVP three times (1988, 1996, 1998)
# Won the All-Star Slam Dunk Contest in 1987 and 1988
# Had his #23 jersey retired at the United Center on 11/1/94
# Returned from retirement on 3/19/95 at Indiana to total 19 points
# Has posted 28 career triple-doubles
# 2 Time All-American & NCAA Player of the Year award
# Two playoff career triple-doubles, both at New York (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
# Named the 1988 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
# Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against Boston on 5/20/86
# Eight playoff games with 50 pts. or more
# 30 regular season games with 50 pts. or more
# 173 games with 40 points or more
# Has hit 28 game-winning shots in the NBA
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA championship game as a freshman
# Named NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
# A member of the gold medal-winning 1984 and 1992 United States Olympic Basketball Teams
# Ranked 3rd in All-Time leader in points scored
# All-Star record having the only triple-double in an All-Star game (1997)
# Member of the 1997 McDonald's Classic Championship team in Paris
# Won the 1997 McDonald's Classic MVP award
# All-time record for most consectutive double-figure scoring games
# Holds the all-time playoff record for the most steals
# Hit the game-winning shot in the 1998 Finals to win a sixth and final championship
# Had his #23 jersey retired for the second time at the United Center on 1/13/99
# Returned from retirement on 9/25/01 to play for the Wizards
# Scored 19 points in his first debut as a Wizard on 10/30/01
# Notched his 30,000th point on 1/4/02 against the Bulls
# Only 40 year old NBA player to ever score over 40 points on 2/21/03
# Had his #23 jersey retired by the Miami Heat in honor of him on 4/11/03
# Scored 15 points in the final game of his NBA career on 4/16/03 against Philadelphia
# Finished his career with 32,292 points, 5,633 assists and 6,672 rebounds.


Not to mention...

# Member of the NCAA Division I Championship team in 1982
# Named NCAA College Player of the Year in 1983 and 1984
# Unanimous selection for First Team All-American in 1983 and 1984
# Winner of the Dr. James Naismith Award in 1984
# Winner of the John Wooden Award in 1984
# Left North Carolina after his Junior year


...sorry bro, but to call Kobe or anyone else better than Jordan is just laughable.
Case closed!

Wow. I didn't know that one. Holy ****.

asandhu23
03-27-2010, 02:36 AM
...sorry bro, but to call Kobe or anyone else better than Jordan is just laughable.
Case closed!


Aight you want to go that way? let's do this.

Wilt Chamberlain's achievements


* NBA Record - Most Points Per Game in a season (50.4 in the 1961-62)

* Chamberlain also holds the next two highest with 44.8 in 1962-63 and 38.4 in 1960-61.

* NBA Record - Most Points in a season (4,029 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next highest with 3,586 in 1960-61

* NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Game (100 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
* NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
* NBA Record - Most 50 Point Games in a season (45 times in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next most with 30 in 1962-63. No other player has had more than 10.

* NBA Record - Most 40 Point Games in a season (63 times in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next most with 52 in 1962-63. Michael Jordan holds third with 37 in 1986-87.

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League in Points Per Game (7)

* Record shared with Michael Jordan.

* NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 60 Point Games (32 times)

* Kobe Bryant is in second place with 5.

* NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 50 Point Games (118 times)

* Michael Jordan is in second place with 31.

* NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 40 Point Games (271 times)[20]

* Michael Jordan is in second place with 173.

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive 50 Point Games (7 times from December 16, 1961-December 29, 1961)

* Chamberlain also holds the next three longest with 6 in 1962, 5 in 1961, and 5 in 1962

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive 40 Point Games (14 times from December 8, 1961-December 30, 1961 and also 14 times from January 11, 1962-February 1, 1962)

* Chamberlain also has the next most with 10 from November 9, 1962 through November 25, 1962

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive 30 Point Games (65 from November 4, 1961-February 22, 1962)

* Chamberlain holds the next two longest streaks with 31 in 1962 and 25 in 1960.

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive 20 Point Games (126 from October 19, 1961-January 19, 1963)

* Chamberlain holds the next most with 92 from February 26, 1963 through March 18, 1964.

* NBA Record - Most points per game by a rookie (37.6 in 1959-60)
* NBA Record - Most points by a rookie (2,707 in 1959-60)
* NBA Record - Most points by a rookie in a game (58 on January 25, 1960 and 58 on February 21, 1960)
* NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 20,000 Points (499 achieved in 1966)

* Michael Jordan, at 620 games, took the second fewest games.

* NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 25,000 Points (691, achieved on February 23, 1968 against the Detroit Pistons)

* Michael Jordan, at 782 games, took the second fewest games.

* NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 30,000 Points (941, achieved on February 16, 1972 against the Phoenix Suns).
* NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7 from 1959-60 through 1965-66)

* Shared with Michael Jordan

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a season (1,597 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next three spots with 1,463 in 1962-63, 1,251 in 1960-61, and 1,204 in 1963-64

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a season (3,159 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next four highest with 2,770, 2,457, 2,311, and 2,298.

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a Game (36 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

* Chamberlain holds the next highest with 31, and is tied (with Rick Barry) at third with 30

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Game (63 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

* Chamberlain holds the next two most with 62 and 60.

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a Half (22 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Half (37 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962 (2nd half)
* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Quarter (21 in the 4th quarter vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
* NBA Record - Most Free Throws Made in a Game (28 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

* Record shared with Adrian Dantley

* NBA Record - Most seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (9)
* NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (6 from 1959-60 through 1964-65)
* NBA Record - Most Free Throws Attempted in a season (1,363 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain also holds the next four spots with 1,113, 1,054, 1,016, and 991.

* NBA Record - Most Free Throws Attempted in a Game (34 vs. the St. Louis Hawks on February 22, 1962)

* Chamberlain also holds second place with 32 on March 2, 1962.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most points by a rookie in a game (53 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)

* Pulled down a rookie playoff record 35 rebounds in the same game.
* Chamberlain also scored 50 as a rookie against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goals in a seven game series (113 vs. the St. Louis Hawks in 1964)
* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goals in a game (24 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)

* Record shared with John Havlicek and Michael Jordan

* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a game (48 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)

* Record shared with Rick Barry

* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a half (25 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)

* Record shared with Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan

* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a three game series (104 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1960)
* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a five game series (159 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1962)
* NBA All-Star Game Record - Points in a game (42 in 1962)
* NBA All-Star Game Record - Field goals in a game (17 in 1962)

* Record shared with Michael Jordan and Kevin Garnett

* NBA All-Star Game Record - Field goals in a half (10 in 1962)
* NBA All-Star Game Record - Free throw attempts in a game (16 in 1962)

* Chamberlain also holds the second most attempts in an All-Star Game with 15 in 1960.

[edit] Other selected scoring facts

* 2nd highest career scoring average (30.06) — [record held by Michael Jordan]
* 2nd most free throws made in a season (835 in 1961-62) — [record held by Jerry West]
* 2nd most points in an NBA All-Star Game half (23 in 1962) — [record held by Glen Rice; 2nd place shared with Tom Chambers]

[edit] NBA rebounding records

See also: List of National Basketball Association top individual rebounding season averages
See also: List of National Basketball Association top rookie rebounding averages
See also: List of National Basketball Association players with 40 or more rebounds in a game

* NBA Record - Career Total Rebounds (23,924)
* NBA Record - Career Rebounds Per Game (22.9)
* NBA Record - Most seasons leading the league in rebounds (11)
* NBA Record - Most seasons with 1,000 or more rebounds (13)
* NBA Record - Rebounds Per Game in a season (27.2)

* Chamberlain also holds the next two highest averages with 27.0 in 1959-60 and 25.7 in 1961-62)

* NBA Record - Total Rebounds in a season (2,149 in 1960-1961)

* Chamberlain also holds the next six highest totals.

* NBA Record - Rebounds in a game (55, Philadelphia Warriors vs. Boston Celtics, November 24, 1960)
* NBA Record - Most rebounds per game by a rookie in a season (27.0)
* NBA Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a season (1941)
* NBA Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (45 on February 6, 1960)

* Chamberlain, as a rookie, also grabbed 43 rebounds in one game, 42 in two others, and 40 in another.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a playoff game (41 against the Boston Celtics, on April 5, 1967).

* Game 3 victory in the Eastern Division finals.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a half (26 against the San Francisco Warriors on April 16, 1967)

* Also an NBA Finals record.

* NBA Playoff Record - Highest rebounding average in a playoff series (32.0 in a five game series against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 5-game playoff series (160 against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 6-game playoff series (171 against the San Francisco Warriors in 1967).

* Also an NBA Finals record for a 6-game series.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 7-game playoff series (220 against the Boston Celtics in 1965).
* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (35 against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960)

* Scored a then-playoff record 53 points (still a rookie record) in the same game (a game 5 victory).

* NBA All-Star Game Record - Most career rebounds in the NBA All-Star game (197).
* NBA All-Star Game Record - Most rebounds in a half (16 in 1960).

* Record shared with Bob Pettit

[edit] Other selected rebound facts

* 2nd most consecutive seasons with 1,000+ rebounds (10) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a half (31 vs. the Boston Celtics on November 24, 1960) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a quarter (17 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on February 5, 1960) — [record held by Nate Thurmond, 2nd place is shared with three performances by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a 3-game NBA Playoff series (69 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1961) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a 4-game NBA Playoff series (106 vs. the Cincinnati Royals in 1967) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most consecutive games 20+ rebounds in the NBA Finals (12 over a series of games in the 1964, 1967, and 1969 finals) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most consecutive games 30+ rebounds in the NBA Finals (2 in 1967 finals, 2 in 1969 finals) — [record held by Bill Russell; 2nd place is also shared by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a 5-game NBA Finals (vs. Boston Celtics in 1967) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a 7-game NBA Finals (vs. Boston Celtics in 1969) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 3rd highest rebounding average in an NBA Finals series (28.5 in 1967) — [first two spots held by Bill Russell]
* Chamberlain is the only player to grab more than 2,000 rebounds in a single season: 2,149 rebounds in the 1960-61 season and 2,052 in 1961-62.

* Chamberlain's 1961-62 season stat line: 4,029 points (50.4 ppg) and 2,052 rebounds (25.7 rpg).

[edit] NBA versatility record

* NBA Record - Most consecutive triple-doubles (9) (March 8-20, 1968)

[edit] Other selected versatility facts

* Only player in NBA history to record a double-triple-double (20+ points, 20+ rebounds, 20+ assists in a game)

* On February 2, 1968 against the Detroit Pistons, he logged 22 points, 25 rebounds and 21 assists.[21]

* Only player in NBA history to record a quadruple double-double (meaning two of either 40 points, 40 rebounds, or 40 assists in a single game).

* On November 4, 1959, Chamberlain, in his third game in the NBA, scored 41 points and grabbed a then-rookie record 40 rebounds against the Syracuse Nationals.
* On January 15, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored 44 points and grabbed 42 rebounds against the Boston Celtics.
* On January 25, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored an NBA rookie record 58 points and grabbed 42 rebounds against the Detroit Pistons.
* On February 6, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored 44 points and grabbed an NBA rookie record 45 rebounds against the Detroit Pistons.
* On December 8, 1961, Chamberlain scored a then-record 78 points and collected 43 rebounds against the Los Angeles Lakers.

* After critics called him a one-dimensional (or even selfish) player, Chamberlain defiantly promised to lead the league in total assists the next season, which he did in 1968 at a rate of 8.6 per game.

[edit] NBA durability records

* NBA Record - Most seasons leading NBA in minutes played (8)
* NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in minutes played (5, from 1959-60 through 1963-64)
* NBA Record - Most career minutes played per game (45.8)

* Bill Russell is second at 42.3

* NBA Record - Most minutes played in a season (3,882 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain also holds the next four most with 3,836 in 1967-68, 3,806 in 1962-63, 3,773 in 1960-61, and 3,737 in 1965-66

* NBA Record - Most minutes played per game for a season (48.5 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the top 7 spots in this category
* Chamberlain's 3,882 minutes played out of the team's possible 3,890 left an average of six seconds rest per game.

* NBA Record - Most complete games in a season (79 out of 80 games in 1961-62)
* NBA Record - Most consecutive complete games in a season (47 in 1961-62)
* NBA Playoff Record - Highest average minutes per game in a playoff series (49.33 (296/6) against the New York Knicks in 1968)
* NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a three game series (144 against the Syracuse Nationals in 1961)
* NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a four game series (195 against the Cincinnati Royals in 1965 and 195 against the Atlanta Hawks in 1970)

* Record shared with Jerry Lucas and Oscar Robertson.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a six game series (296 against the New York Knicks in 1968)
* NBA Finals Record - Most minutes played in a five game series (240 against the New York Knicks in 1973)
* Chamberlain never fouled out of a regular season or playoff game in his 14 years in the NBA.

NBA accuracy records

See also: List of National Basketball Association top individual field goal percentage seasons

* NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (5, from 1964-65 through 1968-69)

* Tied with Shaquille O'Neal

* NBA Record - Highest Field Goal Percentage in a season (72.7% in 1972-73)

* Chamberlain also holds the second highest percentage with 68.3% in 1966-67

* NBA Record - Most consecutive field goals (35 from February 17, 1967 through February 28, 1967)
* NBA Record - Most field goals in a game without a miss (18-18, Philadelphia 76ers vs. the Baltimore Bullets on February 24, 1967)

* Chamberlain also holds the next two most with 16-16 (March 19, 1967) and 15-15 (January 20, 1967)

[edit] Other selected accuracy facts

* 2nd most seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (9) [record held by Shaquille O'Neal (10)]
* 2nd lowest career free throw percentage in NBA history [record held by Ben Wallace]
* 2nd most free throws attempted in a game with none made (10 vs. the Detroit Pistons on 11/04/1960) — [record held by Shaquille O'Neal (11) (12/08/2000)]

Accolades

In addition to his many statistical accomplishments, Chamberlain also had a successful career. He is a two-time NBA champion (1967, 1972) and a six-time NBA Finalist (1964, '67, '69, '70, '72, '73), was voted NBA regular season MVP four times (1959-60, 1965-66, 1966-67, 1967-68 seasons) and NBA Finals MVP once (1972), was elected into seven All-NBA First Teams (1960, '61, '62, '64, '66, '67, '68) and three All-NBA Second Teams ('63, '65, '72) and is with Wes Unseld one of two players to have won the Rookie of the Year and the NBA regular season MVP in the same year. In addition, he was voted NBA All-Star Game MVP 1960 and also made two All-Defensive First Teams (1972, '73).[6]

* Rookie of the Year (1959-1960 season)
* NBA All-Star Game MVP 1960
* 4x NBA regular season MVP (1959-60, 1965-66, 1966-67, 1967-68 seasons)
* 7x All-NBA First Team (1960, '61, '62, '64, '66, '67, '68)
* 3x All-NBA Second Team ('63, '65, '72)
* 2x NBA champion (1967, '72)
* 1x NBA Finals MVP (1972)
* 2x All-Defensive First Team (1972, '73)
* Inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame (1978)
* One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
* Chamberlain ranked #2 in SLAM Magazine's Top 75 NBA Players of all time in 2003.
* Chamberlain ranked #13 in ESPN list of top athletes of the 20th century

Doogolas
03-27-2010, 02:37 AM
I think the thing is, Chamberlain is easily the most dominant player of all time, but I don't think he's the greatest of all time. And I think that's what most people would say as well. Chamberlain was ridiculous as hell though.

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 02:39 AM
Thank you!!!
No problem! Here is some more for the hamsters in here!-LOL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHu8LAWSKxU

Just in case you hamsters can't read...lol! Straight from the NBA ENCYCLOPEDIA:...from the above link that I posted-lol!!
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_bio.html

"By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Although, a summary of his basketball career and influence on the game inevitably fails to do it justice, as a phenomenal athlete with a unique combination of fundamental soundness, grace, speed, power, artistry, improvisational ability and an unquenchable competitive desire, Jordan single-handedly redefined the NBA superstar.

Even contemporaneous superstars recognized the unparalleled position of Jordan. Magic Johnson said, "There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." Larry Bird, following a playoff game where Jordan dropped 63 points on the Boston Celtics in just his second season, appraisal of the young player was: "God disguised as Michael Jordan.

A brief listing of his top accomplishments would include the following: Rookie of the Year; Five-time NBA MVP; Six-time NBA champion; Six-time NBA Finals MVP; Ten-time All-NBA First Team; Nine time NBA All-Defensive First Team; Defensive Player of the Year; 14-time NBA All-Star; Three-time NBA All-Star MVP; 50th Anniversary All-Time Team; Ten scoring titles -- an NBA record and seven consecutive matching Wilt Chamberlain; Retired with the NBA's highest scoring average of 30.1ppg.

Michael Jordan makes the jump shot that catapults the Bulls over the Utah Jazz in the 1998 Finals.
Fernando Medina/NBAE/Getty Images
However, his impact is far greater than awards and championships. He burst into the league as a rookie sensation scoring in droves with an unmatchable first step and acrobatic drives and dunks and concluded his career as a cultural icon. Along the way, he became a true champion who spearheaded the globalization of the NBA with his dynamic on court abilities and personal sense of style that was marketed to the masses.

He was an accessible star who managed to maintain an air of mystique. He was visible as "Air Jordan," as part of a sneaker advertising campaign and endorsing other products as well as the star of the movie, Space Jam. However, he would vanish into retirement twice only to return until hanging up the sneakers for the last time after the 2002-03 season.

Although Brooklyn born, Jordan was bred in the more tranquil North Carolina. The son of Delores and James Jordan, he shared a special bond with his father, which included baseball being both of their first love. However, following his older brother, Larry, whom he idolized and was a spectacular athlete in his own right, Jordan began to play basketball.

He attended Laney High school in Wilmington, North Carolina, but as a 5-11 skinny sophomore, he was cut from the varsity basketball team. The summer before his junior year, he grew to 6-3 and began his path to super-stardom.

A Tar Heel at heart, the high school All-American attended the University of North Carolina. As a freshman, he played somewhat in the shadows of upperclassmen James Worthy and Sam Perkins. However, he shone in the spotlight of the NCAA Championship game against Georgetown and another great freshman Patrick Ewing, whom he would foil future NBA championships for as well. Jordan scored 16 points, grabbed nine rebounds and made the winning basket on a 16-foot jumper with 18 seconds in the game for the 63-62 victory.

As a sophomore, he was named College Player of the Year by The Sporting News. As a junior, he received that award again as well as the Naismith and Wooden Awards. After his junior year he was chosen with the third overall pick in the 1984 NBA Draft by the Chicago Bulls.

The Houston Rockets selected 7-0 center Hakeem Olajuwon form the University of Houston with the No.1 pick, which most expected. The Portland Trail Blazers, however, with the No. 2 pick chose 7-1 center Sam Bowie from Kentucky, which was not as anticipated. Bowie had suffered several injuries while in college but the Blazers bypassed Jordan because just the year before the team selected another exciting shooting guard in Clyde Drexler. Although Drexler went onto to be a star, Bowie was an injury prone player with a journeyman pro career

However, Jordan, coming off a gold medal performance at the 1984 Olympics prospered in the pro game with a fabulous first season, earning the NBA Rookie of the Year Award. He averaged 28.2 ppg, (third behind Bernard King and Bird) 6.5 rpg and 5.9 apg. He also was selected to the All-NBA Second Team. Perhaps more important, the Bulls improved to win 11 more games than in the season prior to his arrival and made it to the playoffs. Jordan averaged 29.3 ppg in the first round series, but the Bulls lost in four games to the Milwaukee Bucks.

In his first season, he did not have outstanding shooting range and was thought to roam to often on defense resulting from playing trapping defenses in college according to his first NBA coach, Kevin Loughery. Yet, his medium game -- eight to 15-feet from the basket was impressive as evidenced by his .515 field-goal shooting percentage and his steals tended to compensate for his less than stellar straight-up defense. Improvement in both areas would come and he would ultimately be regarded as threat from anywhere on the floor and one of the best ever one-on-one defenders.

"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us."

-- Magic Johnson

Even in the exhibition season before his rookie campaign, players and coaches were sure that the Rockets and Blazers would regret their picks. King, the eventual leading scorer for that upcoming season, seemed sure as well when he spoke to Hoop magazine after a 1984 preseason game.

"All I can say," King says, "is that the people in Chicago are in for a real treat."

He was right. Jordan's greatness and likeabilty was apparent in just his first season. Home attendance at the venerable Chicago Stadium and on the road rose dramatically. Fans of opposing teams were seemingly content to see their team lose if in return Jordan put on show.

Jordan's personal style was equally authentic and unique as his basketball skills. Nike signed him to a major shoe deal because of his anticipated appeal, but he surpassed even the loftiest of expectations. One version of the sneakers he wore in his first preseason was an unseen before blend of his team's red and black colors that the NBA initially considered in violation of the "uniformity of uniform rule." Subject to fines if he continued to wear them, he occasionally did and the demand for that version and others in the Air Jordan line was unprecedented.

He also had a clause in his contract that allowed him, unlike most other NBA players, to play basketball anytime in the off-season -- known as the "love-of-the-game clause."

He dangled his tongue out of his mouth -- picked up from observing his dad working on mechanical devices -- as he levitated toward the basket and it became one of his first trademarks in personal style. He continued to wear the shorts of his beloved North Carolina basketball uniform under his Bulls uniform. This may have led him to wear longer game shorts although he has said that the extra length allowed him to bend at the waist and tug at the hem for a good resting position. Either way, the trend toward the baggy shorts was started and the entire league and sport would follow.

The rookie's mesmerizing effect was even suggested to have extended to referees as it was said that he was getting veteran preferential treatment allowing him to take that additional step on route to the basket rather than being whistle for a travelling violation. Many assessed that he eluded defenders so easily that he had to be travelling. However, video break down established that his first step was just so quick and that he was not in violation of the rulebook.

Despite all the attention, Jordan retained a sense of humility. He did not ridicule the Blazers for not taking him. Early on in his first season, he told Sports Illustrated, "He fits in better than I would. They have an overabundance of big guards and small forwards." His self-effacement was more apparent when in that same article he said, "I'd like to play in at least one All-Star game."

That goal was quickly accomplished as later that season he was voted a starter to the 1985 All-Star East squad. There, he probably faced one of his first professional obstacles. The media ran with the idea that Eastern All-Star teammate Detroit Pistons' Isiah Thomas, had led a "freeze-out" of the golden rookie limiting his opportunities to score by not passing him the ball.

Jordan scored seven points in 22 minutes and was left to face questions concerning the alleged conspiracy. The affair grew a life of its own over the years, but Thomas refuted such accusations. The whole ordeal would come full circle when Thomas, as the coach of the 2003 East All-Star squad, persuaded Toronto Raptors' Vince Carter to relinquish his starting role to Jordan in his last midseason classic.

Three games into his second season, he broke a bone in his left foot. He was voted to the All-Star team but could not play as he was sidelined for 64 games. However, he came back late in the year to score a NBA playoff-record 63 points in a first-round game against the Celtics. The Bulls lost that game 132-131 in double-overtime and the series in a sweep, but Jordan averaged 43.7 ppg in the series. If there were any doubters to that point about Jordan's ability, surely there were no more.

Starting with the 1986-87 season he began a career-long onslaught on the NBA record book. That year saw him average 37.1 points in the first of seven consecutive seasons in which he led the league in scoring and topped 30 points per contest. Jordan scored 40 or more points in nine consecutive games and 23 straight in one game to set an NBA record. At the All-Star Weekend, he won the first of two consecutive Slam Dunk com petitions. However, again, the Celtics swept the Bulls in the first-round of the playoffs

That off-season, the Bulls began assembling a championship caliber team by drafting power forward Horace Grant and acquiring the versatile small forward Scottie Pippen from tiny Central Arkansas in a draft day trade with the Seattle SuperSonics for former University of Virgina center Olden Polyinice. In 1987-88, Jordan won every major award including MVP, Defensive Player of the Year and All-Star MVP. With the help of his teammates, Jordan led the Bulls to a first-round playoff win over the Cleveland Cavaliers before falling to the Pistons in five games in the conference semifinals.

The Pistons known as the "Bad Boys" for its aggressive style of play would defeat Jordan and the Bulls in the Eastern Conference Finals in the next two seasons as well. Utilizing a defensive scheme developed by Head Coach Chuck Daly and his staff, known as the "Jordan Rules", the Pistons dared Jordan to single-handily win games with constant double and triple teaming. The Bulls, however, were nudging to a championship as each successive season the team would get closer.

In the 1988-89 season, perhaps Jordan's best statistical campaign, he led the league with 32.5 ppg, was tenth in assists with a career high 8.0 apg and had a career high 8.0 rpg. He also ranked third in steals with 2.89 per game. Jordan propelled the Bulls past the Cavs in the first round of the playoffs as in the decisive Game 5; he scored the memorable buzzer beater-floating jumper over Craig Ehlo for a 101-100 victory.

Prior to the beginning of the 1989-90 season, Sports Illustrated published an article on Jordan's emerging golf game and his thoughts about joining the PGA tour after his NBA career was over. Chicago management, however, was making other moves.

That off-season, the Bulls let go Head Coach Doug Collins and hired Phil Jackson. Under Jackson's leadership, the Bulls instituted the triangle offense --a fluid passing and cutting system that created opportunities for all five players on the floor to score, but when the play broke down and the shot clock waned, Jordan had free reign to create his own shot.

The Bulls went 55-27 that season, the franchise's best record since 1971-72. Jordan set his career game-high in points with 69 against the Cavs in a 117-113 overtime win. He also emerged as a three-point threat, posting a .376 percentage -- 100 percentage points above his previous best. However, the Pistons defeated the Bulls in a tough seven game series in the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

That third consecutive playoff defeat to the Pistons prompted many to think out-loud that a scoring champion like Jordan could not lead his team to a title.

Were they ever wrong. The next year, Jordan led the Bulls as the team waltzed through the postseason losing only twice en route to the franchise's first NBA title. The redemptive blow was the sweep of the Pistons in the conference finals. And after losing the first game at home to the Los Angeles Lakers in the NBA Finals, the Bulls stormed back to win four straight to end the last remnants of the "Showtime" Lakers as Magic Johnson would retire before the beginning of the next season. Jordan averaged 31.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg and 8.4 apg earning the first of six NBA Finals MVP awards.

Jordan, who by now shaved his head completely bald triggering another trend and making him recognizable by just the dark rounded silhouette of his head, was now known as a champion. He was also known to be ultra-demanding of his teammates, ruffling more than a few feathers with his critiques. But winning was the soothing elixir. The Bulls would go on to successfully defend its title for two consecutive seasons, defeating both Drexler and the Blazers and the Charles Barkley-led Phoenix Suns in six games.

By the end of that three-year run, Jordan had eclipsed stardom and approached folk hero status. Early into his career, he drew Peter Pan like admiration for his gravity defying leaps and belief that he would remain youthful forever. However, during the three-peat, players and teams seemed to concede that the title was Jordan. He garnered a legion of fans young and old alike but in particular to kids he was a Pied Piper figure who were asked to follow him with his sports drink "Be Like Mike" advertising campaign.

In the 1992 Finals, Jordan opened up Game 1 with a record setting 35-point first-half performance to lead the Bulls to a 122-89 rout. Jordan seemed unstoppable as he drained several three-pointers over Blazer defenders and after one made three he shrugged his shoulders as if to say, I don't even know what's going on here. The Blazers bounced back and seemed poised to force a Game 7 as it took a 79-64 lead into the fourth quarter of Game 6. However, the Bulls roared back for a 97-93 series clinching win.

In 1993, Jordan led the Bulls past the Patrick Ewing-led Knicks for the fourth time in five postseasons -- this time in the Eastern Conference Finals in six games with out the home court advantage. Jordan scored 54 points in a 105-95 Game 4 win. And in the series' turning point that was Game 5, Jordan recorded a triple double (29 points, 10 rebounds and 14 assists). But the crucial play was Pippen's successive blocks of putback attempts by the Knicks' Charles Smith in the final seconds that allowed the Bulls to escape the Garden with a 97-94 win. The Bulls sealed the series with a 96-88 victory in Game 6.

In the Finals, Jordan set a Finals record as he posted a 41.0 ppg average in the six game series victory over the Suns. In the decisive Game Six, the Bulls again stormed back to overcome a fourth quarter deficit. This time, Jordan scored nine straight points down the stretch leading to John Paxson's game winning three-pointer with 3.9 seconds on the clock for a 98-97 victory.

That summer, Jordan was the key figure in forming the Dream Team that competed in the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, Spain. The 12-member roster, full of the era's best players were respected as basketball royalty by its opponents whom they outclassed on the way to the gold medal and idolized like pop icons by the world's fans.

But trouble was brewing. Jordan was under scrutiny for what was thought to be poor decisions with respect to his gambling endeavors. But that paled in comparison to the loss of his father who was murdered during an armed robbery. His father was Jordan's main confidant whom could be seen with his son on a regular basis as he climbed the ladder of success.

Emotionally drained and seeking new challenges, just one day before the start of training camp, Jordan stunned the basketball world by announcing his retirement.

After much speculation about his plans, Jordan returned to the spotlight in a baseball uniform. Attempting to fulfill a dream inspired by his father, the younger Jordan set his sights on Major League Baseball. He spent the 1994 baseball season playing for the Birmingham Barons, an affiliate of the Chicago White Sox in the Class AA Southern League.

He was a competent if unspectacular performer. But Jordan's hope of reaching the big leagues seemed dim, and with Major League Baseball embroiled in a labor dispute as the 1995 season neared, he focused his competitive fire back on the NBA. Late in the 1994-95 NBA season, he came out of retirement with the succinct statement of "I'm Back."

He was back, albeit with the unorthodox No. 45 as he wanted to leave No. 23 behind, and attempted to carry the Bulls to another title. Jordan averaged 26.9 points in 17 regular-season games, which the Bulls played to a record of 13-4.

The most memorable game of the initial comeback occurred six games in when he scored 55 points against the Knicks in the Garden. That game, dubbed "Double Nickel," was extraordinary in that a new Jordan emerged. Robbed of his youthful bounce at age 32, he turned primarily to fade-away jump shots and spinning layups. And in the waning moments of a tie game, he drew attention as he dribbled around the perimeter then passed to a wide-open Bill Wennington under the basket for the winning points in a 113-111 victory.

His coach, Jackson, in the aftermath said, "It's rare that players can live quite up to New York. I've seen a lot of them fall flat on their faces because of the pressure to perform there. But he had the whole evening in the palm of his hand. Sometimes the game just seems to gravitate into his grasp."

In the playoffs, he poured in 31.5 ppg. But despite Jordan's presence in the lineup, the Bulls didn't have quite enough to get past the Orlando Magic in the conference semifinals. Chicago lost to the Shaquille O'Neal-led Magic in six games.

Jordan's championship quest was fulfilled the following season with almost a whole new band of players than in his first title runs. He began the season with his old No. 23 uniform but only his sidekick Pippen remaining from the first three championship teams. The Bulls added Dennis Rodman, an enigmatic player but a rebounding and defensive phenom.

The team enjoyed one of the most remarkable years ever posted by any club. Jordan led the NBA with 30.4 ppg as the Bulls charged to a record 72 victories during the regular season, then stormed through the playoffs with a 15-3 record ending in a six game series win over the Sonics.

Poignantly, Jordan recaptured the title on Father's Day and cradled the ball after the decisive game in a heap on the floor of the United Center, which replaced Chicago Stadium during his retirement, unabashedly crying. The emotional impact of the moment was overwhelming.

Along the way, Jordan captured the MVP awards for the regular season, All-Star Game and Finals, joining Willis Reed (1970) as the only men to win all three honors in the same season.

Although he had relinquished the MVP award to Karl Malone in 1996-97, Jordan was awarded MVP in 1997-98 and again led the Bulls to the NBA Championship with a satisfying six-game victory over Malone's Utah Jazz. Despite a horrible case of stomach flu in a critical Game Five, he would not let his team lose. He scored 38 points and the Bulls won the game and then the title at home in Game Six. He was also named the NBA Finals MVP for the fifth time.

The Bulls duplicated the three-peat in 1998-99 with another six game series win over the Jazz. Jordan with his team down three points at the close of Game Six, scored on driving move to the basket. And on the next Jazz possession, he stole the ball from Malone in the post to set-up his game winning jump shot. The shot over Bryon Russell with 6.6 seconds left on the clock is etched in many fans mind and photographic history.

After labor negotiations were resolved leaving a shortened season in 1999; Jordan left the game saying, "Right now I don't have the mental challenges that I have had in the past to proceed as a basketball player." Despite not playing for three seasons during his second retirement, Jordan was still probably the most recognizable athlete in the world.

However, after assuming an ownership and team executive role with the Washington Wizards in 2000, he returned to play the game he loves, after being visibly frustrated in the owners' box with the team's performance. On Sept. 25, 2001, he signed a two-year contract with the Wizards for the veteran's minimum.

Jordan brought in his old Bulls' coach Doug Collins and tried mightily to revive a once accomplished franchise that had sunken to moribund levels. But the Wizards, although an attendance draw around the league, failed to make the playoffs in Jordan's two years. However, moments of the great Jordan were apparent such as scoring 40 points a few days after his 40th birthday in the 2002-03 season.

He left as a player to return to an ownership and executive role with the belief that with the cluster of young stars, the NBA was in fine shape. Above all, Jordan recognized his place in the game. In his book, For The Love of The Game: My Story, Jordan wrote: "There is no such thing as a perfect basketball player, and I don't believe there is only one greatest player either. Everyone plays in different eras. I built my talents on the shoulders of someone else's talent. I believe greatness is an evolutionary process that changes and evolves era to era. Without Julius Erving, David Thompson, Walter Davis, and Elgin Baylor there would never have been a Michael Jordan. I evolved from them."

At the turn of the 21st century, ESPN, the preeminent all-sports network, conducted an expansive survey of media members, athletes and others associated with the sports world to rank the 20th century's greatest athletes. Jordan topped the list above Babe Ruth and Muhammad Ali -- substantiating his link to those earlier cultural icons.

[B]Career Statistics

G FG% 3PFG% FT% Rebs RPG Asts Steals Blks APG Pts PPG
1,072 .497 .327 .835 6,672 6.2 5,633 5.3 2,514 .893 32,292 30.1

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:39 AM
1. MJ
2. Wilt
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Rests.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 02:42 AM
No problem! Here is some more for the hamsters in here!-LOL!!!

Just in case you hamsters can't read...lol! Straight from the NBA ENCYCLOPEDIA:...from the above link that I posted-lol!!
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_bio.html

"By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Although, a summary of his basketball career and influence on the game inevitably fails to do it justice, as a phenomenal athlete with a unique combination of fundamental soundness, grace, speed, power, artistry, improvisational ability and an unquenchable competitive desire, Jordan single-handedly redefined the NBA superstar.

Even contemporaneous superstars recognized the unparalleled position of Jordan. Magic Johnson said, "There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." Larry Bird, following a playoff game where Jordan dropped 63 points on the Boston Celtics in just his second season, appraisal of the young player was: "God disguised as Michael Jordan.

A brief listing of his top accomplishments would include the following: Rookie of the Year; Five-time NBA MVP; Six-time NBA champion; Six-time NBA Finals MVP; Ten-time All-NBA First Team; Nine time NBA All-Defensive First Team; Defensive Player of the Year; 14-time NBA All-Star; Three-time NBA All-Star MVP; 50th Anniversary All-Time Team; Ten scoring titles -- an NBA record and seven consecutive matching Wilt Chamberlain; Retired with the NBA's highest scoring average of 30.1ppg.

Michael Jordan makes the jump shot that catapults the Bulls over the Utah Jazz in the 1998 Finals.
Fernando Medina/NBAE/Getty Images
However, his impact is far greater than awards and championships. He burst into the league as a rookie sensation scoring in droves with an unmatchable first step and acrobatic drives and dunks and concluded his career as a cultural icon. Along the way, he became a true champion who spearheaded the globalization of the NBA with his dynamic on court abilities and personal sense of style that was marketed to the masses.

He was an accessible star who managed to maintain an air of mystique. He was visible as "Air Jordan," as part of a sneaker advertising campaign and endorsing other products as well as the star of the movie, Space Jam. However, he would vanish into retirement twice only to return until hanging up the sneakers for the last time after the 2002-03 season.

Although Brooklyn born, Jordan was bred in the more tranquil North Carolina. The son of Delores and James Jordan, he shared a special bond with his father, which included baseball being both of their first love. However, following his older brother, Larry, whom he idolized and was a spectacular athlete in his own right, Jordan began to play basketball.

He attended Laney High school in Wilmington, North Carolina, but as a 5-11 skinny sophomore, he was cut from the varsity basketball team. The summer before his junior year, he grew to 6-3 and began his path to super-stardom.

A Tar Heel at heart, the high school All-American attended the University of North Carolina. As a freshman, he played somewhat in the shadows of upperclassmen James Worthy and Sam Perkins. However, he shone in the spotlight of the NCAA Championship game against Georgetown and another great freshman Patrick Ewing, whom he would foil future NBA championships for as well. Jordan scored 16 points, grabbed nine rebounds and made the winning basket on a 16-foot jumper with 18 seconds in the game for the 63-62 victory.

As a sophomore, he was named College Player of the Year by The Sporting News. As a junior, he received that award again as well as the Naismith and Wooden Awards. After his junior year he was chosen with the third overall pick in the 1984 NBA Draft by the Chicago Bulls.

The Houston Rockets selected 7-0 center Hakeem Olajuwon form the University of Houston with the No.1 pick, which most expected. The Portland Trail Blazers, however, with the No. 2 pick chose 7-1 center Sam Bowie from Kentucky, which was not as anticipated. Bowie had suffered several injuries while in college but the Blazers bypassed Jordan because just the year before the team selected another exciting shooting guard in Clyde Drexler. Although Drexler went onto to be a star, Bowie was an injury prone player with a journeyman pro career

However, Jordan, coming off a gold medal performance at the 1984 Olympics prospered in the pro game with a fabulous first season, earning the NBA Rookie of the Year Award. He averaged 28.2 ppg, (third behind Bernard King and Bird) 6.5 rpg and 5.9 apg. He also was selected to the All-NBA Second Team. Perhaps more important, the Bulls improved to win 11 more games than in the season prior to his arrival and made it to the playoffs. Jordan averaged 29.3 ppg in the first round series, but the Bulls lost in four games to the Milwaukee Bucks.

In his first season, he did not have outstanding shooting range and was thought to roam to often on defense resulting from playing trapping defenses in college according to his first NBA coach, Kevin Loughery. Yet, his medium game -- eight to 15-feet from the basket was impressive as evidenced by his .515 field-goal shooting percentage and his steals tended to compensate for his less than stellar straight-up defense. Improvement in both areas would come and he would ultimately be regarded as threat from anywhere on the floor and one of the best ever one-on-one defenders.

"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us."

-- Magic Johnson

Even in the exhibition season before his rookie campaign, players and coaches were sure that the Rockets and Blazers would regret their picks. King, the eventual leading scorer for that upcoming season, seemed sure as well when he spoke to Hoop magazine after a 1984 preseason game.

"All I can say," King says, "is that the people in Chicago are in for a real treat."

He was right. Jordan's greatness and likeabilty was apparent in just his first season. Home attendance at the venerable Chicago Stadium and on the road rose dramatically. Fans of opposing teams were seemingly content to see their team lose if in return Jordan put on show.

Jordan's personal style was equally authentic and unique as his basketball skills. Nike signed him to a major shoe deal because of his anticipated appeal, but he surpassed even the loftiest of expectations. One version of the sneakers he wore in his first preseason was an unseen before blend of his team's red and black colors that the NBA initially considered in violation of the "uniformity of uniform rule." Subject to fines if he continued to wear them, he occasionally did and the demand for that version and others in the Air Jordan line was unprecedented.

He also had a clause in his contract that allowed him, unlike most other NBA players, to play basketball anytime in the off-season -- known as the "love-of-the-game clause."

He dangled his tongue out of his mouth -- picked up from observing his dad working on mechanical devices -- as he levitated toward the basket and it became one of his first trademarks in personal style. He continued to wear the shorts of his beloved North Carolina basketball uniform under his Bulls uniform. This may have led him to wear longer game shorts although he has said that the extra length allowed him to bend at the waist and tug at the hem for a good resting position. Either way, the trend toward the baggy shorts was started and the entire league and sport would follow.

The rookie's mesmerizing effect was even suggested to have extended to referees as it was said that he was getting veteran preferential treatment allowing him to take that additional step on route to the basket rather than being whistle for a travelling violation. Many assessed that he eluded defenders so easily that he had to be travelling. However, video break down established that his first step was just so quick and that he was not in violation of the rulebook.

Despite all the attention, Jordan retained a sense of humility. He did not ridicule the Blazers for not taking him. Early on in his first season, he told Sports Illustrated, "He fits in better than I would. They have an overabundance of big guards and small forwards." His self-effacement was more apparent when in that same article he said, "I'd like to play in at least one All-Star game."

That goal was quickly accomplished as later that season he was voted a starter to the 1985 All-Star East squad. There, he probably faced one of his first professional obstacles. The media ran with the idea that Eastern All-Star teammate Detroit Pistons' Isiah Thomas, had led a "freeze-out" of the golden rookie limiting his opportunities to score by not passing him the ball.

Jordan scored seven points in 22 minutes and was left to face questions concerning the alleged conspiracy. The affair grew a life of its own over the years, but Thomas refuted such accusations. The whole ordeal would come full circle when Thomas, as the coach of the 2003 East All-Star squad, persuaded Toronto Raptors' Vince Carter to relinquish his starting role to Jordan in his last midseason classic.

Three games into his second season, he broke a bone in his left foot. He was voted to the All-Star team but could not play as he was sidelined for 64 games. However, he came back late in the year to score a NBA playoff-record 63 points in a first-round game against the Celtics. The Bulls lost that game 132-131 in double-overtime and the series in a sweep, but Jordan averaged 43.7 ppg in the series. If there were any doubters to that point about Jordan's ability, surely there were no more.

Starting with the 1986-87 season he began a career-long onslaught on the NBA record book. That year saw him average 37.1 points in the first of seven consecutive seasons in which he led the league in scoring and topped 30 points per contest. Jordan scored 40 or more points in nine consecutive games and 23 straight in one game to set an NBA record. At the All-Star Weekend, he won the first of two consecutive Slam Dunk com petitions. However, again, the Celtics swept the Bulls in the first-round of the playoffs

That off-season, the Bulls began assembling a championship caliber team by drafting power forward Horace Grant and acquiring the versatile small forward Scottie Pippen from tiny Central Arkansas in a draft day trade with the Seattle SuperSonics for former University of Virgina center Olden Polyinice. In 1987-88, Jordan won every major award including MVP, Defensive Player of the Year and All-Star MVP. With the help of his teammates, Jordan led the Bulls to a first-round playoff win over the Cleveland Cavaliers before falling to the Pistons in five games in the conference semifinals.

The Pistons known as the "Bad Boys" for its aggressive style of play would defeat Jordan and the Bulls in the Eastern Conference Finals in the next two seasons as well. Utilizing a defensive scheme developed by Head Coach Chuck Daly and his staff, known as the "Jordan Rules", the Pistons dared Jordan to single-handily win games with constant double and triple teaming. The Bulls, however, were nudging to a championship as each successive season the team would get closer.

In the 1988-89 season, perhaps Jordan's best statistical campaign, he led the league with 32.5 ppg, was tenth in assists with a career high 8.0 apg and had a career high 8.0 rpg. He also ranked third in steals with 2.89 per game. Jordan propelled the Bulls past the Cavs in the first round of the playoffs as in the decisive Game 5; he scored the memorable buzzer beater-floating jumper over Craig Ehlo for a 101-100 victory.

Prior to the beginning of the 1989-90 season, Sports Illustrated published an article on Jordan's emerging golf game and his thoughts about joining the PGA tour after his NBA career was over. Chicago management, however, was making other moves.

That off-season, the Bulls let go Head Coach Doug Collins and hired Phil Jackson. Under Jackson's leadership, the Bulls instituted the triangle offense --a fluid passing and cutting system that created opportunities for all five players on the floor to score, but when the play broke down and the shot clock waned, Jordan had free reign to create his own shot.

The Bulls went 55-27 that season, the franchise's best record since 1971-72. Jordan set his career game-high in points with 69 against the Cavs in a 117-113 overtime win. He also emerged as a three-point threat, posting a .376 percentage -- 100 percentage points above his previous best. However, the Pistons defeated the Bulls in a tough seven game series in the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

That third consecutive playoff defeat to the Pistons prompted many to think out-loud that a scoring champion like Jordan could not lead his team to a title.

Were they ever wrong. The next year, Jordan led the Bulls as the team waltzed through the postseason losing only twice en route to the franchise's first NBA title. The redemptive blow was the sweep of the Pistons in the conference finals. And after losing the first game at home to the Los Angeles Lakers in the NBA Finals, the Bulls stormed back to win four straight to end the last remnants of the "Showtime" Lakers as Magic Johnson would retire before the beginning of the next season. Jordan averaged 31.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg and 8.4 apg earning the first of six NBA Finals MVP awards.

Jordan, who by now shaved his head completely bald triggering another trend and making him recognizable by just the dark rounded silhouette of his head, was now known as a champion. He was also known to be ultra-demanding of his teammates, ruffling more than a few feathers with his critiques. But winning was the soothing elixir. The Bulls would go on to successfully defend its title for two consecutive seasons, defeating both Drexler and the Blazers and the Charles Barkley-led Phoenix Suns in six games.

By the end of that three-year run, Jordan had eclipsed stardom and approached folk hero status. Early into his career, he drew Peter Pan like admiration for his gravity defying leaps and belief that he would remain youthful forever. However, during the three-peat, players and teams seemed to concede that the title was Jordan. He garnered a legion of fans young and old alike but in particular to kids he was a Pied Piper figure who were asked to follow him with his sports drink "Be Like Mike" advertising campaign.

In the 1992 Finals, Jordan opened up Game 1 with a record setting 35-point first-half performance to lead the Bulls to a 122-89 rout. Jordan seemed unstoppable as he drained several three-pointers over Blazer defenders and after one made three he shrugged his shoulders as if to say, I don't even know what's going on here. The Blazers bounced back and seemed poised to force a Game 7 as it took a 79-64 lead into the fourth quarter of Game 6. However, the Bulls roared back for a 97-93 series clinching win.

In 1993, Jordan led the Bulls past the Patrick Ewing-led Knicks for the fourth time in five postseasons -- this time in the Eastern Conference Finals in six games with out the home court advantage. Jordan scored 54 points in a 105-95 Game 4 win. And in the series' turning point that was Game 5, Jordan recorded a triple double (29 points, 10 rebounds and 14 assists). But the crucial play was Pippen's successive blocks of putback attempts by the Knicks' Charles Smith in the final seconds that allowed the Bulls to escape the Garden with a 97-94 win. The Bulls sealed the series with a 96-88 victory in Game 6.

In the Finals, Jordan set a Finals record as he posted a 41.0 ppg average in the six game series victory over the Suns. In the decisive Game Six, the Bulls again stormed back to overcome a fourth quarter deficit. This time, Jordan scored nine straight points down the stretch leading to John Paxson's game winning three-pointer with 3.9 seconds on the clock for a 98-97 victory.

That summer, Jordan was the key figure in forming the Dream Team that competed in the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, Spain. The 12-member roster, full of the era's best players were respected as basketball royalty by its opponents whom they outclassed on the way to the gold medal and idolized like pop icons by the world's fans.

But trouble was brewing. Jordan was under scrutiny for what was thought to be poor decisions with respect to his gambling endeavors. But that paled in comparison to the loss of his father who was murdered during an armed robbery. His father was Jordan's main confidant whom could be seen with his son on a regular basis as he climbed the ladder of success.

Emotionally drained and seeking new challenges, just one day before the start of training camp, Jordan stunned the basketball world by announcing his retirement.

After much speculation about his plans, Jordan returned to the spotlight in a baseball uniform. Attempting to fulfill a dream inspired by his father, the younger Jordan set his sights on Major League Baseball. He spent the 1994 baseball season playing for the Birmingham Barons, an affiliate of the Chicago White Sox in the Class AA Southern League.

He was a competent if unspectacular performer. But Jordan's hope of reaching the big leagues seemed dim, and with Major League Baseball embroiled in a labor dispute as the 1995 season neared, he focused his competitive fire back on the NBA. Late in the 1994-95 NBA season, he came out of retirement with the succinct statement of "I'm Back."

He was back, albeit with the unorthodox No. 45 as he wanted to leave No. 23 behind, and attempted to carry the Bulls to another title. Jordan averaged 26.9 points in 17 regular-season games, which the Bulls played to a record of 13-4.

The most memorable game of the initial comeback occurred six games in when he scored 55 points against the Knicks in the Garden. That game, dubbed "Double Nickel," was extraordinary in that a new Jordan emerged. Robbed of his youthful bounce at age 32, he turned primarily to fade-away jump shots and spinning layups. And in the waning moments of a tie game, he drew attention as he dribbled around the perimeter then passed to a wide-open Bill Wennington under the basket for the winning points in a 113-111 victory.

His coach, Jackson, in the aftermath said, "It's rare that players can live quite up to New York. I've seen a lot of them fall flat on their faces because of the pressure to perform there. But he had the whole evening in the palm of his hand. Sometimes the game just seems to gravitate into his grasp."

In the playoffs, he poured in 31.5 ppg. But despite Jordan's presence in the lineup, the Bulls didn't have quite enough to get past the Orlando Magic in the conference semifinals. Chicago lost to the Shaquille O'Neal-led Magic in six games.

Jordan's championship quest was fulfilled the following season with almost a whole new band of players than in his first title runs. He began the season with his old No. 23 uniform but only his sidekick Pippen remaining from the first three championship teams. The Bulls added Dennis Rodman, an enigmatic player but a rebounding and defensive phenom.

The team enjoyed one of the most remarkable years ever posted by any club. Jordan led the NBA with 30.4 ppg as the Bulls charged to a record 72 victories during the regular season, then stormed through the playoffs with a 15-3 record ending in a six game series win over the Sonics.

Poignantly, Jordan recaptured the title on Father's Day and cradled the ball after the decisive game in a heap on the floor of the United Center, which replaced Chicago Stadium during his retirement, unabashedly crying. The emotional impact of the moment was overwhelming.

Along the way, Jordan captured the MVP awards for the regular season, All-Star Game and Finals, joining Willis Reed (1970) as the only men to win all three honors in the same season.

Although he had relinquished the MVP award to Karl Malone in 1996-97, Jordan was awarded MVP in 1997-98 and again led the Bulls to the NBA Championship with a satisfying six-game victory over Malone's Utah Jazz. Despite a horrible case of stomach flu in a critical Game Five, he would not let his team lose. He scored 38 points and the Bulls won the game and then the title at home in Game Six. He was also named the NBA Finals MVP for the fifth time.

The Bulls duplicated the three-peat in 1998-99 with another six game series win over the Jazz. Jordan with his team down three points at the close of Game Six, scored on driving move to the basket. And on the next Jazz possession, he stole the ball from Malone in the post to set-up his game winning jump shot. The shot over Bryon Russell with 6.6 seconds left on the clock is etched in many fans mind and photographic history.

After labor negotiations were resolved leaving a shortened season in 1999; Jordan left the game saying, "Right now I don't have the mental challenges that I have had in the past to proceed as a basketball player." Despite not playing for three seasons during his second retirement, Jordan was still probably the most recognizable athlete in the world.

However, after assuming an ownership and team executive role with the Washington Wizards in 2000, he returned to play the game he loves, after being visibly frustrated in the owners' box with the team's performance. On Sept. 25, 2001, he signed a two-year contract with the Wizards for the veteran's minimum.

Jordan brought in his old Bulls' coach Doug Collins and tried mightily to revive a once accomplished franchise that had sunken to moribund levels. But the Wizards, although an attendance draw around the league, failed to make the playoffs in Jordan's two years. However, moments of the great Jordan were apparent such as scoring 40 points a few days after his 40th birthday in the 2002-03 season.

He left as a player to return to an ownership and executive role with the belief that with the cluster of young stars, the NBA was in fine shape. Above all, Jordan recognized his place in the game. In his book, For The Love of The Game: My Story, Jordan wrote: "There is no such thing as a perfect basketball player, and I don't believe there is only one greatest player either. Everyone plays in different eras. I built my talents on the shoulders of someone else's talent. I believe greatness is an evolutionary process that changes and evolves era to era. Without Julius Erving, David Thompson, Walter Davis, and Elgin Baylor there would never have been a Michael Jordan. I evolved from them."

At the turn of the 21st century, ESPN, the preeminent all-sports network, conducted an expansive survey of media members, athletes and others associated with the sports world to rank the 20th century's greatest athletes. Jordan topped the list above Babe Ruth and Muhammad Ali -- substantiating his link to those earlier cultural icons.

[B]Career Statistics

G FG% 3PFG% FT% Rebs RPG Asts Steals Blks APG Pts PPG
1,072 .497 .327 .835 6,672 6.2 5,633 5.3 2,514 .893 32,292 30.1

I hope the ignorant people would stop hating MJ. There cannot be any debate about him being the GOAT. I would love to post some links where Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, etc etc said they could only DREAM to do the things MJ did, but I am just too lazy.

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 02:53 AM
To assandhu 23...my comment to you is what I posted above here....unfortunately the blog won't connect us together to compare stuff because it is 15,000+ characters too long-lol!

Anyway, here you go...

No problem! Here is some more for the hamsters in here!-LOL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHu8LAWSKxU

Just in case you hamsters can't read...lol! Straight from the NBA ENCYCLOPEDIA:...from the above link that I posted-lol!!
http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_bio.html

"By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Although, a summary of his basketball career and influence on the game inevitably fails to do it justice, as a phenomenal athlete with a unique combination of fundamental soundness, grace, speed, power, artistry, improvisational ability and an unquenchable competitive desire, Jordan single-handedly redefined the NBA superstar.

Even contemporaneous superstars recognized the unparalleled position of Jordan. Magic Johnson said, "There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." Larry Bird, following a playoff game where Jordan dropped 63 points on the Boston Celtics in just his second season, appraisal of the young player was: "God disguised as Michael Jordan.

A brief listing of his top accomplishments would include the following: Rookie of the Year; Five-time NBA MVP; Six-time NBA champion; Six-time NBA Finals MVP; Ten-time All-NBA First Team; Nine time NBA All-Defensive First Team; Defensive Player of the Year; 14-time NBA All-Star; Three-time NBA All-Star MVP; 50th Anniversary All-Time Team; Ten scoring titles -- an NBA record and seven consecutive matching Wilt Chamberlain; Retired with the NBA's highest scoring average of 30.1ppg.

Michael Jordan makes the jump shot that catapults the Bulls over the Utah Jazz in the 1998 Finals.
Fernando Medina/NBAE/Getty Images
However, his impact is far greater than awards and championships. He burst into the league as a rookie sensation scoring in droves with an unmatchable first step and acrobatic drives and dunks and concluded his career as a cultural icon. Along the way, he became a true champion who spearheaded the globalization of the NBA with his dynamic on court abilities and personal sense of style that was marketed to the masses.

He was an accessible star who managed to maintain an air of mystique. He was visible as "Air Jordan," as part of a sneaker advertising campaign and endorsing other products as well as the star of the movie, Space Jam. However, he would vanish into retirement twice only to return until hanging up the sneakers for the last time after the 2002-03 season.

Although Brooklyn born, Jordan was bred in the more tranquil North Carolina. The son of Delores and James Jordan, he shared a special bond with his father, which included baseball being both of their first love. However, following his older brother, Larry, whom he idolized and was a spectacular athlete in his own right, Jordan began to play basketball.

He attended Laney High school in Wilmington, North Carolina, but as a 5-11 skinny sophomore, he was cut from the varsity basketball team. The summer before his junior year, he grew to 6-3 and began his path to super-stardom.

A Tar Heel at heart, the high school All-American attended the University of North Carolina. As a freshman, he played somewhat in the shadows of upperclassmen James Worthy and Sam Perkins. However, he shone in the spotlight of the NCAA Championship game against Georgetown and another great freshman Patrick Ewing, whom he would foil future NBA championships for as well. Jordan scored 16 points, grabbed nine rebounds and made the winning basket on a 16-foot jumper with 18 seconds in the game for the 63-62 victory.

As a sophomore, he was named College Player of the Year by The Sporting News. As a junior, he received that award again as well as the Naismith and Wooden Awards. After his junior year he was chosen with the third overall pick in the 1984 NBA Draft by the Chicago Bulls.

The Houston Rockets selected 7-0 center Hakeem Olajuwon form the University of Houston with the No.1 pick, which most expected. The Portland Trail Blazers, however, with the No. 2 pick chose 7-1 center Sam Bowie from Kentucky, which was not as anticipated. Bowie had suffered several injuries while in college but the Blazers bypassed Jordan because just the year before the team selected another exciting shooting guard in Clyde Drexler. Although Drexler went onto to be a star, Bowie was an injury prone player with a journeyman pro career

However, Jordan, coming off a gold medal performance at the 1984 Olympics prospered in the pro game with a fabulous first season, earning the NBA Rookie of the Year Award. He averaged 28.2 ppg, (third behind Bernard King and Bird) 6.5 rpg and 5.9 apg. He also was selected to the All-NBA Second Team. Perhaps more important, the Bulls improved to win 11 more games than in the season prior to his arrival and made it to the playoffs. Jordan averaged 29.3 ppg in the first round series, but the Bulls lost in four games to the Milwaukee Bucks.

In his first season, he did not have outstanding shooting range and was thought to roam to often on defense resulting from playing trapping defenses in college according to his first NBA coach, Kevin Loughery. Yet, his medium game -- eight to 15-feet from the basket was impressive as evidenced by his .515 field-goal shooting percentage and his steals tended to compensate for his less than stellar straight-up defense. Improvement in both areas would come and he would ultimately be regarded as threat from anywhere on the floor and one of the best ever one-on-one defenders.

"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us."

-- Magic Johnson

Even in the exhibition season before his rookie campaign, players and coaches were sure that the Rockets and Blazers would regret their picks. King, the eventual leading scorer for that upcoming season, seemed sure as well when he spoke to Hoop magazine after a 1984 preseason game.

"All I can say," King says, "is that the people in Chicago are in for a real treat."

He was right. Jordan's greatness and likeabilty was apparent in just his first season. Home attendance at the venerable Chicago Stadium and on the road rose dramatically. Fans of opposing teams were seemingly content to see their team lose if in return Jordan put on show.

Jordan's personal style was equally authentic and unique as his basketball skills. Nike signed him to a major shoe deal because of his anticipated appeal, but he surpassed even the loftiest of expectations. One version of the sneakers he wore in his first preseason was an unseen before blend of his team's red and black colors that the NBA initially considered in violation of the "uniformity of uniform rule." Subject to fines if he continued to wear them, he occasionally did and the demand for that version and others in the Air Jordan line was unprecedented.

He also had a clause in his contract that allowed him, unlike most other NBA players, to play basketball anytime in the off-season -- known as the "love-of-the-game clause."

He dangled his tongue out of his mouth -- picked up from observing his dad working on mechanical devices -- as he levitated toward the basket and it became one of his first trademarks in personal style. He continued to wear the shorts of his beloved North Carolina basketball uniform under his Bulls uniform. This may have led him to wear longer game shorts although he has said that the extra length allowed him to bend at the waist and tug at the hem for a good resting position. Either way, the trend toward the baggy shorts was started and the entire league and sport would follow.

The rookie's mesmerizing effect was even suggested to have extended to referees as it was said that he was getting veteran preferential treatment allowing him to take that additional step on route to the basket rather than being whistle for a travelling violation. Many assessed that he eluded defenders so easily that he had to be travelling. However, video break down established that his first step was just so quick and that he was not in violation of the rulebook.

Despite all the attention, Jordan retained a sense of humility. He did not ridicule the Blazers for not taking him. Early on in his first season, he told Sports Illustrated, "He fits in better than I would. They have an overabundance of big guards and small forwards." His self-effacement was more apparent when in that same article he said, "I'd like to play in at least one All-Star game."

That goal was quickly accomplished as later that season he was voted a starter to the 1985 All-Star East squad. There, he probably faced one of his first professional obstacles. The media ran with the idea that Eastern All-Star teammate Detroit Pistons' Isiah Thomas, had led a "freeze-out" of the golden rookie limiting his opportunities to score by not passing him the ball.

Jordan scored seven points in 22 minutes and was left to face questions concerning the alleged conspiracy. The affair grew a life of its own over the years, but Thomas refuted such accusations. The whole ordeal would come full circle when Thomas, as the coach of the 2003 East All-Star squad, persuaded Toronto Raptors' Vince Carter to relinquish his starting role to Jordan in his last midseason classic.

Three games into his second season, he broke a bone in his left foot. He was voted to the All-Star team but could not play as he was sidelined for 64 games. However, he came back late in the year to score a NBA playoff-record 63 points in a first-round game against the Celtics. The Bulls lost that game 132-131 in double-overtime and the series in a sweep, but Jordan averaged 43.7 ppg in the series. If there were any doubters to that point about Jordan's ability, surely there were no more.

Starting with the 1986-87 season he began a career-long onslaught on the NBA record book. That year saw him average 37.1 points in the first of seven consecutive seasons in which he led the league in scoring and topped 30 points per contest. Jordan scored 40 or more points in nine consecutive games and 23 straight in one game to set an NBA record. At the All-Star Weekend, he won the first of two consecutive Slam Dunk com petitions. However, again, the Celtics swept the Bulls in the first-round of the playoffs

That off-season, the Bulls began assembling a championship caliber team by drafting power forward Horace Grant and acquiring the versatile small forward Scottie Pippen from tiny Central Arkansas in a draft day trade with the Seattle SuperSonics for former University of Virgina center Olden Polyinice. In 1987-88, Jordan won every major award including MVP, Defensive Player of the Year and All-Star MVP. With the help of his teammates, Jordan led the Bulls to a first-round playoff win over the Cleveland Cavaliers before falling to the Pistons in five games in the conference semifinals.

The Pistons known as the "Bad Boys" for its aggressive style of play would defeat Jordan and the Bulls in the Eastern Conference Finals in the next two seasons as well. Utilizing a defensive scheme developed by Head Coach Chuck Daly and his staff, known as the "Jordan Rules", the Pistons dared Jordan to single-handily win games with constant double and triple teaming. The Bulls, however, were nudging to a championship as each successive season the team would get closer.

In the 1988-89 season, perhaps Jordan's best statistical campaign, he led the league with 32.5 ppg, was tenth in assists with a career high 8.0 apg and had a career high 8.0 rpg. He also ranked third in steals with 2.89 per game. Jordan propelled the Bulls past the Cavs in the first round of the playoffs as in the decisive Game 5; he scored the memorable buzzer beater-floating jumper over Craig Ehlo for a 101-100 victory.

Prior to the beginning of the 1989-90 season, Sports Illustrated published an article on Jordan's emerging golf game and his thoughts about joining the PGA tour after his NBA career was over. Chicago management, however, was making other moves.

That off-season, the Bulls let go Head Coach Doug Collins and hired Phil Jackson. Under Jackson's leadership, the Bulls instituted the triangle offense --a fluid passing and cutting system that created opportunities for all five players on the floor to score, but when the play broke down and the shot clock waned, Jordan had free reign to create his own shot.

The Bulls went 55-27 that season, the franchise's best record since 1971-72. Jordan set his career game-high in points with 69 against the Cavs in a 117-113 overtime win. He also emerged as a three-point threat, posting a .376 percentage -- 100 percentage points above his previous best. However, the Pistons defeated the Bulls in a tough seven game series in the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

That third consecutive playoff defeat to the Pistons prompted many to think out-loud that a scoring champion like Jordan could not lead his team to a title.

Were they ever wrong. The next year, Jordan led the Bulls as the team waltzed through the postseason losing only twice en route to the franchise's first NBA title. The redemptive blow was the sweep of the Pistons in the conference finals. And after losing the first game at home to the Los Angeles Lakers in the NBA Finals, the Bulls stormed back to win four straight to end the last remnants of the "Showtime" Lakers as Magic Johnson would retire before the beginning of the next season. Jordan averaged 31.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg and 8.4 apg earning the first of six NBA Finals MVP awards.

Jordan, who by now shaved his head completely bald triggering another trend and making him recognizable by just the dark rounded silhouette of his head, was now known as a champion. He was also known to be ultra-demanding of his teammates, ruffling more than a few feathers with his critiques. But winning was the soothing elixir. The Bulls would go on to successfully defend its title for two consecutive seasons, defeating both Drexler and the Blazers and the Charles Barkley-led Phoenix Suns in six games.

By the end of that three-year run, Jordan had eclipsed stardom and approached folk hero status. Early into his career, he drew Peter Pan like admiration for his gravity defying leaps and belief that he would remain youthful forever. However, during the three-peat, players and teams seemed to concede that the title was Jordan. He garnered a legion of fans young and old alike but in particular to kids he was a Pied Piper figure who were asked to follow him with his sports drink "Be Like Mike" advertising campaign.

In the 1992 Finals, Jordan opened up Game 1 with a record setting 35-point first-half performance to lead the Bulls to a 122-89 rout. Jordan seemed unstoppable as he drained several three-pointers over Blazer defenders and after one made three he shrugged his shoulders as if to say, I don't even know what's going on here. The Blazers bounced back and seemed poised to force a Game 7 as it took a 79-64 lead into the fourth quarter of Game 6. However, the Bulls roared back for a 97-93 series clinching win.

In 1993, Jordan led the Bulls past the Patrick Ewing-led Knicks for the fourth time in five postseasons -- this time in the Eastern Conference Finals in six games with out the home court advantage. Jordan scored 54 points in a 105-95 Game 4 win. And in the series' turning point that was Game 5, Jordan recorded a triple double (29 points, 10 rebounds and 14 assists). But the crucial play was Pippen's successive blocks of putback attempts by the Knicks' Charles Smith in the final seconds that allowed the Bulls to escape the Garden with a 97-94 win. The Bulls sealed the series with a 96-88 victory in Game 6.

In the Finals, Jordan set a Finals record as he posted a 41.0 ppg average in the six game series victory over the Suns. In the decisive Game Six, the Bulls again stormed back to overcome a fourth quarter deficit. This time, Jordan scored nine straight points down the stretch leading to John Paxson's game winning three-pointer with 3.9 seconds on the clock for a 98-97 victory.

That summer, Jordan was the key figure in forming the Dream Team that competed in the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, Spain. The 12-member roster, full of the era's best players were respected as basketball royalty by its opponents whom they outclassed on the way to the gold medal and idolized like pop icons by the world's fans.

But trouble was brewing. Jordan was under scrutiny for what was thought to be poor decisions with respect to his gambling endeavors. But that paled in comparison to the loss of his father who was murdered during an armed robbery. His father was Jordan's main confidant whom could be seen with his son on a regular basis as he climbed the ladder of success.

Emotionally drained and seeking new challenges, just one day before the start of training camp, Jordan stunned the basketball world by announcing his retirement.

After much speculation about his plans, Jordan returned to the spotlight in a baseball uniform. Attempting to fulfill a dream inspired by his father, the younger Jordan set his sights on Major League Baseball. He spent the 1994 baseball season playing for the Birmingham Barons, an affiliate of the Chicago White Sox in the Class AA Southern League.

He was a competent if unspectacular performer. But Jordan's hope of reaching the big leagues seemed dim, and with Major League Baseball embroiled in a labor dispute as the 1995 season neared, he focused his competitive fire back on the NBA. Late in the 1994-95 NBA season, he came out of retirement with the succinct statement of "I'm Back."

He was back, albeit with the unorthodox No. 45 as he wanted to leave No. 23 behind, and attempted to carry the Bulls to another title. Jordan averaged 26.9 points in 17 regular-season games, which the Bulls played to a record of 13-4.

The most memorable game of the initial comeback occurred six games in when he scored 55 points against the Knicks in the Garden. That game, dubbed "Double Nickel," was extraordinary in that a new Jordan emerged. Robbed of his youthful bounce at age 32, he turned primarily to fade-away jump shots and spinning layups. And in the waning moments of a tie game, he drew attention as he dribbled around the perimeter then passed to a wide-open Bill Wennington under the basket for the winning points in a 113-111 victory.

His coach, Jackson, in the aftermath said, "It's rare that players can live quite up to New York. I've seen a lot of them fall flat on their faces because of the pressure to perform there. But he had the whole evening in the palm of his hand. Sometimes the game just seems to gravitate into his grasp."

In the playoffs, he poured in 31.5 ppg. But despite Jordan's presence in the lineup, the Bulls didn't have quite enough to get past the Orlando Magic in the conference semifinals. Chicago lost to the Shaquille O'Neal-led Magic in six games.

Jordan's championship quest was fulfilled the following season with almost a whole new band of players than in his first title runs. He began the season with his old No. 23 uniform but only his sidekick Pippen remaining from the first three championship teams. The Bulls added Dennis Rodman, an enigmatic player but a rebounding and defensive phenom.

The team enjoyed one of the most remarkable years ever posted by any club. Jordan led the NBA with 30.4 ppg as the Bulls charged to a record 72 victories during the regular season, then stormed through the playoffs with a 15-3 record ending in a six game series win over the Sonics.

Poignantly, Jordan recaptured the title on Father's Day and cradled the ball after the decisive game in a heap on the floor of the United Center, which replaced Chicago Stadium during his retirement, unabashedly crying. The emotional impact of the moment was overwhelming.

Along the way, Jordan captured the MVP awards for the regular season, All-Star Game and Finals, joining Willis Reed (1970) as the only men to win all three honors in the same season.

Although he had relinquished the MVP award to Karl Malone in 1996-97, Jordan was awarded MVP in 1997-98 and again led the Bulls to the NBA Championship with a satisfying six-game victory over Malone's Utah Jazz. Despite a horrible case of stomach flu in a critical Game Five, he would not let his team lose. He scored 38 points and the Bulls won the game and then the title at home in Game Six. He was also named the NBA Finals MVP for the fifth time.

The Bulls duplicated the three-peat in 1998-99 with another six game series win over the Jazz. Jordan with his team down three points at the close of Game Six, scored on driving move to the basket. And on the next Jazz possession, he stole the ball from Malone in the post to set-up his game winning jump shot. The shot over Bryon Russell with 6.6 seconds left on the clock is etched in many fans mind and photographic history.

After labor negotiations were resolved leaving a shortened season in 1999; Jordan left the game saying, "Right now I don't have the mental challenges that I have had in the past to proceed as a basketball player." Despite not playing for three seasons during his second retirement, Jordan was still probably the most recognizable athlete in the world.

However, after assuming an ownership and team executive role with the Washington Wizards in 2000, he returned to play the game he loves, after being visibly frustrated in the owners' box with the team's performance. On Sept. 25, 2001, he signed a two-year contract with the Wizards for the veteran's minimum.

Jordan brought in his old Bulls' coach Doug Collins and tried mightily to revive a once accomplished franchise that had sunken to moribund levels. But the Wizards, although an attendance draw around the league, failed to make the playoffs in Jordan's two years. However, moments of the great Jordan were apparent such as scoring 40 points a few days after his 40th birthday in the 2002-03 season.

He left as a player to return to an ownership and executive role with the belief that with the cluster of young stars, the NBA was in fine shape. Above all, Jordan recognized his place in the game. In his book, For The Love of The Game: My Story, Jordan wrote: "There is no such thing as a perfect basketball player, and I don't believe there is only one greatest player either. Everyone plays in different eras. I built my talents on the shoulders of someone else's talent. I believe greatness is an evolutionary process that changes and evolves era to era. Without Julius Erving, David Thompson, Walter Davis, and Elgin Baylor there would never have been a Michael Jordan. I evolved from them."

At the turn of the 21st century, ESPN, the preeminent all-sports network, conducted an expansive survey of media members, athletes and others associated with the sports world to rank the 20th century's greatest athletes. Jordan topped the list above Babe Ruth and Muhammad Ali -- substantiating his link to those earlier cultural icons.

[B]Career Statistics

G FG% 3PFG% FT% Rebs RPG Asts Steals Blks APG Pts PPG
1,072 .497 .327 .835 6,672 6.2 5,633 5.3 2,514 .893 32,292 30.1

BTW...you might wanna check Wilt's MVP's, vs. Jordans', also the number of Championships won by each one. Big difference. Wilt had great numbers, but his outcomes were pathetic compared to Jordan. Wilt also got trounced by Russell, a far smaller man then him BTW. 11 championships to 2.

I think you need to re-think Wilt over Jordan. You are one guy sitting alone in the desert on this one. Nice try though.

Doogolas
03-27-2010, 02:59 AM
Lol, you got ninja'd

asandhu23
03-27-2010, 03:01 AM
I think you need to re-think Wilt over Jordan. You are one guy sitting alone in teh desert on this one. Nice try though. [/COLOR][/I][/B]

What the **** do you mean by "In the Desert"?

GaSoft16
03-27-2010, 03:04 AM
Why does this 1971 guy always refer to everyone as hamsters?

shep33
03-27-2010, 03:04 AM
Hakeem Olajuwan, Shaq, and Tim Duncan are the most underrated players in NBA history, and Hakeem may be the greatest center ever. Tim won 4 rings and nobody remembers, even myself. Shaq was the most unstoppable force the NBA has ever seen, yet only won 1 MVP comparable to Nash's 2, or LBJ's soon to be 2

Kobe could've averaged 40ppg w/out Shaq over an entire season

And...

The 97 and 98 Jordan Bulls would've lost to the Kobe-Shaq Lakers in 6, because the Bulls would have no answer for Shaq, and the Lakers could put Kobe and Fox on MJ, slowing him down slightly....

MJ is still the GOAT and LBJ or Kobe won't come close

I said it... let the hate begin...

GaSoft16
03-27-2010, 03:06 AM
Hakeem Olajuwan, Shaq, and Tim Duncan are the most underrated players in NBA history.

And...

The 97 and 98 Jordan Bulls would've lost to the Kobe-Shaq Lakers in 6, because the Bulls would have no answer for Shaq, and the Lakers could put Kobe and Fox on MJ, slowing him down slightly....

I said it... let the hate begin...

In a 7 game series of the NBA Finals, the Bulls would have HCA and beat the Lakers in Game 7 in Chicago. But I think if you add Pau to the mix, Lakers would easily trump MJ's Bulls.

asandhu23
03-27-2010, 03:06 AM
Why does this 1971 guy always refer to everyone as hamsters?

may be he has a hamster fetish?

GaSoft16
03-27-2010, 03:08 AM
may be he has a hamster fetish?

Hamsters are cute and cuddly, lol.

Doogolas
03-27-2010, 03:09 AM
Hakeem Olajuwan, Shaq, and Tim Duncan are the most underrated players in NBA history.

And...

The 97 and 98 Jordan Bulls would've lost to the Kobe-Shaq Lakers in 6, because the Bulls would have no answer for Shaq, and the Lakers could put Kobe and Fox on MJ, slowing him down slightly....

I said it... let the hate begin...

No way, you mean to tell me that in the prime of their careers they could beat a team that was in their twilight years? MADNESS! Of course they'd win. But I'm willing to bet money the 95-96 team would have beat that Laker team in 5.

Oh, random opinion, dunno if this will be unpopular: I'm going to be extremely sad when Shaq retires.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 03:17 AM
Jordan's Bulls would have beaten the Shaq-Kobe's Lakers in game 6.

shep33
03-27-2010, 03:17 AM
No way, you mean to tell me that in the prime of their careers they could beat a team that was in their twilight years? MADNESS! Of course they'd win. But I'm willing to bet money the 95-96 team would have beat that Laker team in 5.

I agree that the 72 win bulls woulda beat them, but if we switched the Utah teams with the Lakers team in their prime, i think they would've won b/c Shaq woulda caused so many problems, and the Lakers had great 3 point shooters, so if you doubled you were screwed, cause Shaw, Horry, Fox, Fisher, Kobe would all hit 3's, plus kobe would still get atleast 20 to go along with Shaqs' 35 and 16.

Don't get me wrong, i think nobody comes close to MJ and nobody will. But i think people greatly undervalue the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. 16-1 in the playoffs one year, losing to Phili in game 1 of the Finals... ridiculous.

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 03:17 AM
Aight you want to go that way? let's do this.

Wilt Chamberlain's achievements


* NBA Record - Most Points Per Game in a season (50.4 in the 1961-62)

* Chamberlain also holds the next two highest with 44.8 in 1962-63 and 38.4 in 1960-61.

* NBA Record - Most Points in a season (4,029 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next highest with 3,586 in 1960-61

* NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Game (100 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
* NBA Record - Most Points Scored in a Half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
* NBA Record - Most 50 Point Games in a season (45 times in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next most with 30 in 1962-63. No other player has had more than 10.

* NBA Record - Most 40 Point Games in a season (63 times in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next most with 52 in 1962-63. Michael Jordan holds third with 37 in 1986-87.

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League in Points Per Game (7)

* Record shared with Michael Jordan.

* NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 60 Point Games (32 times)

* Kobe Bryant is in second place with 5.

* NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 50 Point Games (118 times)

* Michael Jordan is in second place with 31.

* NBA Record - Most Career Regular Season 40 Point Games (271 times)[20]

* Michael Jordan is in second place with 173.

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive 50 Point Games (7 times from December 16, 1961-December 29, 1961)

* Chamberlain also holds the next three longest with 6 in 1962, 5 in 1961, and 5 in 1962

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive 40 Point Games (14 times from December 8, 1961-December 30, 1961 and also 14 times from January 11, 1962-February 1, 1962)

* Chamberlain also has the next most with 10 from November 9, 1962 through November 25, 1962

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive 30 Point Games (65 from November 4, 1961-February 22, 1962)

* Chamberlain holds the next two longest streaks with 31 in 1962 and 25 in 1960.

* NBA Record - Most Consecutive 20 Point Games (126 from October 19, 1961-January 19, 1963)

* Chamberlain holds the next most with 92 from February 26, 1963 through March 18, 1964.

* NBA Record - Most points per game by a rookie (37.6 in 1959-60)
* NBA Record - Most points by a rookie (2,707 in 1959-60)
* NBA Record - Most points by a rookie in a game (58 on January 25, 1960 and 58 on February 21, 1960)
* NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 20,000 Points (499 achieved in 1966)

* Michael Jordan, at 620 games, took the second fewest games.

* NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 25,000 Points (691, achieved on February 23, 1968 against the Detroit Pistons)

* Michael Jordan, at 782 games, took the second fewest games.

* NBA Record - Fewest Games Played to Reach 30,000 Points (941, achieved on February 16, 1972 against the Phoenix Suns).
* NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7 from 1959-60 through 1965-66)

* Shared with Michael Jordan

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a season (1,597 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next three spots with 1,463 in 1962-63, 1,251 in 1960-61, and 1,204 in 1963-64

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a season (3,159 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the next four highest with 2,770, 2,457, 2,311, and 2,298.

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a Game (36 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

* Chamberlain holds the next highest with 31, and is tied (with Rick Barry) at third with 30

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Game (63 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

* Chamberlain holds the next two most with 62 and 60.

* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Made in a Half (22 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Half (37 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962 (2nd half)
* NBA Record - Most Field Goals Attempted in a Quarter (21 in the 4th quarter vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)
* NBA Record - Most Free Throws Made in a Game (28 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

* Record shared with Adrian Dantley

* NBA Record - Most seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (9)
* NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (6 from 1959-60 through 1964-65)
* NBA Record - Most Free Throws Attempted in a season (1,363 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain also holds the next four spots with 1,113, 1,054, 1,016, and 991.

* NBA Record - Most Free Throws Attempted in a Game (34 vs. the St. Louis Hawks on February 22, 1962)

* Chamberlain also holds second place with 32 on March 2, 1962.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most points by a rookie in a game (53 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)

* Pulled down a rookie playoff record 35 rebounds in the same game.
* Chamberlain also scored 50 as a rookie against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goals in a seven game series (113 vs. the St. Louis Hawks in 1964)
* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goals in a game (24 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960)

* Record shared with John Havlicek and Michael Jordan

* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a game (48 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)

* Record shared with Rick Barry

* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a half (25 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962)

* Record shared with Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan

* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a three game series (104 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1960)
* NBA Playoff Record - Most field goal attempts in a five game series (159 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1962)
* NBA All-Star Game Record - Points in a game (42 in 1962)
* NBA All-Star Game Record - Field goals in a game (17 in 1962)

* Record shared with Michael Jordan and Kevin Garnett

* NBA All-Star Game Record - Field goals in a half (10 in 1962)
* NBA All-Star Game Record - Free throw attempts in a game (16 in 1962)

* Chamberlain also holds the second most attempts in an All-Star Game with 15 in 1960.

[edit] Other selected scoring facts

* 2nd highest career scoring average (30.06) — [record held by Michael Jordan]
* 2nd most free throws made in a season (835 in 1961-62) — [record held by Jerry West]
* 2nd most points in an NBA All-Star Game half (23 in 1962) — [record held by Glen Rice; 2nd place shared with Tom Chambers]

[edit] NBA rebounding records

See also: List of National Basketball Association top individual rebounding season averages
See also: List of National Basketball Association top rookie rebounding averages
See also: List of National Basketball Association players with 40 or more rebounds in a game

* NBA Record - Career Total Rebounds (23,924)
* NBA Record - Career Rebounds Per Game (22.9)
* NBA Record - Most seasons leading the league in rebounds (11)
* NBA Record - Most seasons with 1,000 or more rebounds (13)
* NBA Record - Rebounds Per Game in a season (27.2)

* Chamberlain also holds the next two highest averages with 27.0 in 1959-60 and 25.7 in 1961-62)

* NBA Record - Total Rebounds in a season (2,149 in 1960-1961)

* Chamberlain also holds the next six highest totals.

* NBA Record - Rebounds in a game (55, Philadelphia Warriors vs. Boston Celtics, November 24, 1960)
* NBA Record - Most rebounds per game by a rookie in a season (27.0)
* NBA Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a season (1941)
* NBA Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (45 on February 6, 1960)

* Chamberlain, as a rookie, also grabbed 43 rebounds in one game, 42 in two others, and 40 in another.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a playoff game (41 against the Boston Celtics, on April 5, 1967).

* Game 3 victory in the Eastern Division finals.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a half (26 against the San Francisco Warriors on April 16, 1967)

* Also an NBA Finals record.

* NBA Playoff Record - Highest rebounding average in a playoff series (32.0 in a five game series against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 5-game playoff series (160 against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 6-game playoff series (171 against the San Francisco Warriors in 1967).

* Also an NBA Finals record for a 6-game series.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds in a 7-game playoff series (220 against the Boston Celtics in 1965).
* NBA Playoff Record - Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (35 against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960)

* Scored a then-playoff record 53 points (still a rookie record) in the same game (a game 5 victory).

* NBA All-Star Game Record - Most career rebounds in the NBA All-Star game (197).
* NBA All-Star Game Record - Most rebounds in a half (16 in 1960).

* Record shared with Bob Pettit

[edit] Other selected rebound facts

* 2nd most consecutive seasons with 1,000+ rebounds (10) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a half (31 vs. the Boston Celtics on November 24, 1960) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a quarter (17 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on February 5, 1960) — [record held by Nate Thurmond, 2nd place is shared with three performances by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a 3-game NBA Playoff series (69 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1961) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a 4-game NBA Playoff series (106 vs. the Cincinnati Royals in 1967) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most consecutive games 20+ rebounds in the NBA Finals (12 over a series of games in the 1964, 1967, and 1969 finals) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most consecutive games 30+ rebounds in the NBA Finals (2 in 1967 finals, 2 in 1969 finals) — [record held by Bill Russell; 2nd place is also shared by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a 5-game NBA Finals (vs. Boston Celtics in 1967) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 2nd most rebounds in a 7-game NBA Finals (vs. Boston Celtics in 1969) — [record held by Bill Russell]
* 3rd highest rebounding average in an NBA Finals series (28.5 in 1967) — [first two spots held by Bill Russell]
* Chamberlain is the only player to grab more than 2,000 rebounds in a single season: 2,149 rebounds in the 1960-61 season and 2,052 in 1961-62.

* Chamberlain's 1961-62 season stat line: 4,029 points (50.4 ppg) and 2,052 rebounds (25.7 rpg).

[edit] NBA versatility record

* NBA Record - Most consecutive triple-doubles (9) (March 8-20, 1968)

[edit] Other selected versatility facts

* Only player in NBA history to record a double-triple-double (20+ points, 20+ rebounds, 20+ assists in a game)

* On February 2, 1968 against the Detroit Pistons, he logged 22 points, 25 rebounds and 21 assists.[21]

* Only player in NBA history to record a quadruple double-double (meaning two of either 40 points, 40 rebounds, or 40 assists in a single game).

* On November 4, 1959, Chamberlain, in his third game in the NBA, scored 41 points and grabbed a then-rookie record 40 rebounds against the Syracuse Nationals.
* On January 15, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored 44 points and grabbed 42 rebounds against the Boston Celtics.
* On January 25, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored an NBA rookie record 58 points and grabbed 42 rebounds against the Detroit Pistons.
* On February 6, 1960, Chamberlain, as a rookie, scored 44 points and grabbed an NBA rookie record 45 rebounds against the Detroit Pistons.
* On December 8, 1961, Chamberlain scored a then-record 78 points and collected 43 rebounds against the Los Angeles Lakers.

* After critics called him a one-dimensional (or even selfish) player, Chamberlain defiantly promised to lead the league in total assists the next season, which he did in 1968 at a rate of 8.6 per game.

[edit] NBA durability records

* NBA Record - Most seasons leading NBA in minutes played (8)
* NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in minutes played (5, from 1959-60 through 1963-64)
* NBA Record - Most career minutes played per game (45.8)

* Bill Russell is second at 42.3

* NBA Record - Most minutes played in a season (3,882 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain also holds the next four most with 3,836 in 1967-68, 3,806 in 1962-63, 3,773 in 1960-61, and 3,737 in 1965-66

* NBA Record - Most minutes played per game for a season (48.5 in 1961-62)

* Chamberlain holds the top 7 spots in this category
* Chamberlain's 3,882 minutes played out of the team's possible 3,890 left an average of six seconds rest per game.

* NBA Record - Most complete games in a season (79 out of 80 games in 1961-62)
* NBA Record - Most consecutive complete games in a season (47 in 1961-62)
* NBA Playoff Record - Highest average minutes per game in a playoff series (49.33 (296/6) against the New York Knicks in 1968)
* NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a three game series (144 against the Syracuse Nationals in 1961)
* NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a four game series (195 against the Cincinnati Royals in 1965 and 195 against the Atlanta Hawks in 1970)

* Record shared with Jerry Lucas and Oscar Robertson.

* NBA Playoff Record - Most minutes played in a six game series (296 against the New York Knicks in 1968)
* NBA Finals Record - Most minutes played in a five game series (240 against the New York Knicks in 1973)
* Chamberlain never fouled out of a regular season or playoff game in his 14 years in the NBA.

NBA accuracy records

See also: List of National Basketball Association top individual field goal percentage seasons

* NBA Record - Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (5, from 1964-65 through 1968-69)

* Tied with Shaquille O'Neal

* NBA Record - Highest Field Goal Percentage in a season (72.7% in 1972-73)

* Chamberlain also holds the second highest percentage with 68.3% in 1966-67

* NBA Record - Most consecutive field goals (35 from February 17, 1967 through February 28, 1967)
* NBA Record - Most field goals in a game without a miss (18-18, Philadelphia 76ers vs. the Baltimore Bullets on February 24, 1967)

* Chamberlain also holds the next two most with 16-16 (March 19, 1967) and 15-15 (January 20, 1967)

[edit] Other selected accuracy facts

* 2nd most seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (9) [record held by Shaquille O'Neal (10)]
* 2nd lowest career free throw percentage in NBA history [record held by Ben Wallace]
* 2nd most free throws attempted in a game with none made (10 vs. the Detroit Pistons on 11/04/1960) — [record held by Shaquille O'Neal (11) (12/08/2000)]

Accolades

In addition to his many statistical accomplishments, Chamberlain also had a successful career. He is a two-time NBA champion (1967, 1972) and a six-time NBA Finalist (1964, '67, '69, '70, '72, '73), was voted NBA regular season MVP four times (1959-60, 1965-66, 1966-67, 1967-68 seasons) and NBA Finals MVP once (1972), was elected into seven All-NBA First Teams (1960, '61, '62, '64, '66, '67, '68) and three All-NBA Second Teams ('63, '65, '72) and is with Wes Unseld one of two players to have won the Rookie of the Year and the NBA regular season MVP in the same year. In addition, he was voted NBA All-Star Game MVP 1960 and also made two All-Defensive First Teams (1972, '73).[6]

* Rookie of the Year (1959-1960 season)
* NBA All-Star Game MVP 1960
* 4x NBA regular season MVP (1959-60, 1965-66, 1966-67, 1967-68 seasons)
* 7x All-NBA First Team (1960, '61, '62, '64, '66, '67, '68)
* 3x All-NBA Second Team ('63, '65, '72)
* 2x NBA champion (1967, '72)
* 1x NBA Finals MVP (1972)
* 2x All-Defensive First Team (1972, '73)
* Inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame (1978)
* One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
* Chamberlain ranked #2 in SLAM Magazine's Top 75 NBA Players of all time in 2003.
* Chamberlain ranked #13 in ESPN list of top athletes of the 20th century

All true...but please see my post above this one...

You are right...Wilt had all the records...that was Wilt. ALSO, the biggest knock on him was that was all he cared about. See Bill Russell, who didn't care at all about anything but winning. 11 titles to 2. That says it all.

Wilt was a physical freak then. Many of the centers he played against were 6'7 or smaller. There were a couple of 7 footers back then....now there are 10x more of them. There were 8 teams in the league, now there are ~ 4x that many. Wilt was huge, and the rebounds came a lot easier than now...the FG%-age was horrendous back then....40% was high...hence more rebounds. Etc.

Stats are nice, but championships mean everything, don't they? Wilt was an under performer in terms of winning. Jordan exceeded all of this by winning. Jordan was the best, and most pundits will state this emphatically when asked this question. There just is no way around it.

shep33
03-27-2010, 03:19 AM
Haha i'm just saying what the thread asked me to... i know i'm gonna get crushed, but if Utah won 2 games against the Bulls in 97 and 98, i think the Lakers could've beat them.

asandhu23
03-27-2010, 03:23 AM
All true...but please see my post above this one...

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Jordan also had the second best player in the NBA on his team. Scottie ****ing Pippen. Wilt didn't have that much help for the earlier part of his career. And if you go back and look at the tape of those finals game 7s, you would notice that most of the time, he did all he could and either his coach or his teammates ****ed the game over for him in the last moments. Also back in those days, every person on the teams ran, ran and ran. you forget that he banged 20,000 women, played point guard for globetrotters, travelled over the world with them and also played volleyball. are we going to forget that he played couple of his playoffs with a broken hand and broken foot.

shep33
03-27-2010, 03:23 AM
Another one... Hakeem Olajuwan put together the greatest individual season in NBA history...
NBA MVP
Defensive player of the year
All-NBA
Finals MVP

Never seen one man dominate basketball for one year like that before. He did everything. He also did this with a decent team, if you took him off that team they woulda won 25 games.

tredigs
03-27-2010, 03:26 AM
No way, you mean to tell me that in the prime of their careers they could beat a team that was in their twilight years? MADNESS! Of course they'd win. But I'm willing to bet money the 95-96 team would have beat that Laker team in 5.

Oh, random opinion, dunno if this will be unpopular: I'm going to be extremely sad when Shaq retires.

Even in their twilight years, they had the games best player (MJ), the games best rebounder (Rodman), the games two best wing defenders (MJ /Pip), and a serviceable 7'2" 300lb center in Luc Longley that Shaq couldn't just toss around. Not to mention fantastic role players in Kerr, Harper and Kukoc. They also had the best overall team defense in the league, I think they would handle that Lakers squad.

Though I'm not positive that it would be too easy for that Lakers squad to get through that '98 Jazz team to make it there. Well actually come to think of it, that Shaq/Kobe squad did get bashed by this Jazz team when they were swept by Utah in the WCF's while they were on their way to the finals against the Bulls that year. A young Kobe, but still.

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 03:28 AM
Haha i'm just saying what the thread asked me to... i know i'm gonna get crushed, but if Utah won 2 games against the Bulls in 97 and 98, i think the Lakers could've beat them.

y and how can u keep saying this if the jazz beat the lakers hence the better team(jazz) lost to the superior team(the bulls)

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 03:32 AM
No way, you mean to tell me that in the prime of their careers they could beat a team that was in their twilight years? MADNESS! Of course they'd win. But I'm willing to bet money the 95-96 team would have beat that Laker team in 5.

Oh, random opinion, dunno if this will be unpopular: I'm going to be extremely sad when Shaq retires.

didnt he retire three years ago? :D

shep33
03-27-2010, 03:34 AM
Even in their twilight years, they had the games best player (MJ), the games best rebounder (Rodman), the games two best wing defenders (MJ /Pip), and a serviceable 7'2" 300lb center in Luc Longley that Shaq couldn't just toss around. Not to mention fantastic role players in Kerr, Harper and Kukoc. They also had the best overall team defense in the league, I think they would handle that Lakers squad. Though I'm not positive that it would be too easy for that Lakers squad would get through that '98 Jazz team to make it there. Well actually that Shaq/Kobe squad did get bashed by this Jazz team when they swept them on the way to the playoffs. A young Kobe, but still.

You make good points but I'm pretty sure Shaq would destroy Longley and Ostertag. I mean Shaq dominated every centre during the early 2000s. He still had around 60lbs on Longley, could jump a foot higher, and could score whenever he wanted. That Lakers dynasty team was so good in all aspects of the game. 2 superstars who could score, good D, great 3 point shooters... I don't think the Jazz woulda had enough to beat the Lakers dynasty, LA was a very big team and unbelievably athletic at basically all 5 positions.

Korman12
03-27-2010, 03:34 AM
The NBA is more unfairly balanced than any other professional sport.

asandhu23
03-27-2010, 03:35 AM
Look at Wilt's hustle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucfpGWfhDU

People forget that Big Men tire faster. Wilt's never been fouled out of a game and he played basically every minute he could in his career. the only times he missed games was when he had a heart attack and broke his foot

shep33
03-27-2010, 03:36 AM
y and how can u keep saying this if the jazz beat the lakers hence the better team(jazz) lost to the superior team(the bulls)

In my original post I was talking about the Lakers dynasty team, not the Lakers at the time they got beat by Utah.

Of course Utah killed LA, i remember Kobe's airballs and all. But that Lakers dynasty team was pretty good.

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 03:40 AM
In my original post I was talking about the Lakers dynasty team, not the Lakers at the time they got beat by Utah.

i still doubt it because the 98 bulls team was one of the best teams ever assembled i would say bulls 4-2 and the only reason i give them two is because of shaq the bulls have an answer for everyone on that team but him

Korman12
03-27-2010, 03:40 AM
The '95-'96 Bulls were the greatest team in professional sport's history - even better than the undefeated '72 Dolphins.

shep33
03-27-2010, 03:43 AM
i still doubt it because the 98 bulls team was one of the best teams ever assembled i would say bulls 4-2 and the only reason i give them two is because of shaq the bulls have an answer for everyone on that team but him

Haha i knew I'd get bashed for saying it, I just think Shaq changes everything. Offensively and defensively. I'd love to see that series happen though. I think the Lakers would have the edge, but thats just my opinion, i totally respect yours, and I agree that the 72 win Bulls were the best team ever.

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 03:45 AM
Haha i knew I'd get bashed for saying it, I just think Shaq changes everything. Offensively and defensively. I'd love to see that series happen though. I think the Lakers would have the edge, but thats just my opinion, i totally respect yours, and I agree that the 72 win Bulls were the best team ever.

i wasnt trying to bash u just my opinion as well

GaSoft16
03-27-2010, 03:45 AM
The '95-'96 Bulls were the greatest team in professional sport's history - even better than the undefeated '72 Dolphins.

No, they were the team with the best record in NBA history. The showtime 87 Lakers were the best team ever.

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 03:45 AM
Look at Wilt's hustle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucfpGWfhDU

People forget that Big Men tire faster. Wilt's never been fouled out of a game and he played basically every minute he could in his career. the only times he missed games was when he had a heart attack and broke his foot

and **** ppl in the 60s... 80s and up is all that counts

shep33
03-27-2010, 03:49 AM
i wasnt trying to bash u just my opinion as well

Nah i know, i just knew that a lot of people wouldn't agree. Whatever, interesting topic atleast.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 03:50 AM
No, they were the team with the best record in NBA history. The showtime 87 Lakers were the best team ever.
:facepalm:
What makes you think the best record team is the not the best??

GaSoft16
03-27-2010, 03:58 AM
:facepalm:
What makes you think the best record team is the not the best??

Luck has a lot to do with it, like staying healthy, having a certain schedule where you have a huge string of very easy games where if you win all of them, they can basically set the tone, mood and momentum for the team to also win later games against other tough/elite teams. Hell, the 2001 Lakers had a better postseason than the 1996 Bulls by going a dominant 15-1.

Korman12
03-27-2010, 04:00 AM
Two more:

NBA related -- The league needs Yao and Oden to get healthy.

PSD related -- Judging from people's suggestions when they were asked who should perform at next year's Superbowl Half-time show in the NFL forum, a lot of people at PSD have ********ng awful taste in music.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 04:04 AM
Luck has a lot to do with it, like staying healthy, having a certain schedule where you have a huge string of very easy games where if you win all of them, they can basically set the tone, mood and momentum for the team to also win later games against other tough/elite teams. Hell, the 2001 Lakers had a better postseason than the 1996 Bulls by going a dominant 15-1.

What are your argument's for the bold bold with 87 lakers and 96 bulls?? Anyway, why don't you make a poll on these two teams? We can easily see what most people think.

GaSoft16
03-27-2010, 04:05 AM
What are your argument's for the bold bold with 87 lakers and 96 bulls?? Anyway, why don't you make a poll on these two teams? We can easily see what most people think.

Not fair, too many Lakers fans on PSD, so too much bias.

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 04:07 AM
Not fair, too many Lakers fans on PSD, so too much bias.

most r bandwagoners and just like kobe when they lose him and start losing those same "laker fans" disappear

GaSoft16
03-27-2010, 04:15 AM
most r bandwagoners and just like kobe when they lose him and start losing those same "laker fans" disappear

No, I think the Cavs fans are bandwagonners because they only like LeBron. Lakers fans not only love Kobe, but love Gasol, Odom, Bynum etc. And Kobe is going to retire a Laker. More than I can say about LeBron and his status/future with the Cavs.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 04:19 AM
Not fair, too many Lakers fans on PSD, so too much bias.

Yeah, you are right! Have all the laker fans vote for your 87 lakers and I am confident of getting the votes of rest of the PSD fans for 96 bulls. Btw, I am not a bulls fan as you might have assumed. So PSD members minus (-) Laker fans (not the intelligent ones tho..lol)=Huge number.

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 04:19 AM
Jordan also had the second best player in the NBA on his team. Scottie ****ing Pippen. Wilt didn't have that much help for the earlier part of his career. And if you go back and look at the tape of those finals game 7s, you would notice that most of the time, he did all he could and either his coach or his teammates ****ed the game over for him in the last moments. Also back in those days, every person on the teams ran, ran and ran. you forget that he banged 20,000 women, played point guard for globetrotters, travelled over the world with them and also played volleyball. are we going to forget that he played couple of his playoffs with a broken hand and broken foot.

LOL....now that is funny! I never thought about the 20,000 women...OK, you win. Not really, but with that comback, you made my day. LOL...


Wilt was a great dude, and I am proud to say that I actually met him twice, he even showed me the inside of his Maseratti...at Santa Monica Beach one day....the back seat was gone, and the front seat was way in the back of the car so his legs would fit. When he got out of his car, I swear that his knees came up to the roof of the car. He was f-ing huge! He was the man....no question about it. I think he would have ate Shaq for lunch BTW. In his prime. So would Kareem. Kareem would have embarrassed him and Shaq would have fouled out many times trying to guard Kareem.

Scottie was a franchise player, but Jordan made him what he was I think.

Wilt had Nate Thurmond...a 7 footer at SF. He also had West and Goodrich, Baylor, etc. He had greatness all around him for 6-7+ years. Still 2 championships? Doesn't cut it for me.

Anyway, nice talking to you.
:)

heathonater
03-27-2010, 04:22 AM
most r bandwagoners and just like kobe when they lose him and start losing those same "laker fans" disappear

i agree. in fact, most nba fans would not support their team if there star player retired and the team was bad for five-six years. once kobe retires, only true laker fans will stay behind the team.

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 04:23 AM
no, they were the team with the best record in nba history. The showtime 87 lakers were the best team ever.

Agree 1,000%. The 87' LAKERS would have ate the bulls lunch with showtime!

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 04:26 AM
agree 1,000%. The 87' lakers would have ate the bulls lunch with showtime!



no ****ing **** u do because ur a lakers homer

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 04:28 AM
lol...Bro I think u quote me by mistake. I was laughing at HellCrooner for his hilarious (stupid) comments. Check my previous post where I thanked you for the info.


:speechless::speechless:...oooooooooooooops, my bad! sorry!!:facepalm::facepalm::speechless:

LakerzFan1971
03-27-2010, 04:31 AM
no ****ing **** u do because ur a lakers homer


:speechless:??? WTF is that! ...lol!

JiffyMix88
03-27-2010, 04:34 AM
:speechless:??? WTF is that! ...lol!

lol :D but seriously it would be a good and close series

Master Mind
03-27-2010, 04:41 AM
Vince Carter is now Half Man Half Geriatric :laugh2:

Master Mind
03-27-2010, 04:42 AM
If D-Wade was Lebron's size he would be the greatest ball player ever...:p

Seriously though :eyebrow:

Master Mind
03-27-2010, 04:44 AM
D-Wade's a mini Jordan, Kobe, Bron:p

abe_froman
03-27-2010, 04:45 AM
Jordan also had the second best player in the NBA on his team. Scottie ****ing Pippen. Wilt didn't have that much help for the earlier part of his career. And if you go back and look at the tape of those finals game 7s, you would notice that most of the time, he did all he could and either his coach or his teammates ****ed the game over for him in the last moments. Also back in those days, every person on the teams ran, ran and ran. you forget that he banged 20,000 women, played point guard for globetrotters, travelled over the world with them and also played volleyball. are we going to forget that he played couple of his playoffs with a broken hand and broken foot.

wilt had paul ****ing arizin,guy ****ing rodgers and nate "the f'ing great" thurmond at points during early in his career.so your point about scottie being..what? that mj had help and wilt didnt? well damn right mj did.now this names might not mean anything to you,but so did wilt

and with the bolded,what the hell does that have to with anything?? yes he lived an interesting life,but this discussion you started has to do with who's the better basketball player..you know, what happens on the court

Master Mind
03-27-2010, 04:59 AM
MJ was the most graceful and influential B-Ball Player ever...Everybody I mean everybody tried to walk like him, shoot like him and even stuck the tongue out like him...Kobe might as well come from MJ's nads...

junion
03-27-2010, 05:37 AM
The Nets can beat my high school basketball team.

Bullsfan22
03-27-2010, 06:41 AM
LBJ has a legit chance to be considered the nba's GOAT. by the time he retires

CP3 will go done as the greatest pg all-time (statistically) -championships

Lebron is a real life avatar created by ZEUS

Evan Turner will be the best player out of this draft.

No Jordan? Karl Malone is the undisputed greatest pf of all-time

I know people will rip my post to threads but I just wanted to have a little fun.

alencp3
03-27-2010, 06:59 AM
Marco Belinelli is better than 9/10 of NBA players.

PHX2daDEATH
03-27-2010, 07:24 AM
(Rose>Rondo<Westbrook)<<<DRAGIC :D


LAKER, SEAHAWK AND YANKEE FANS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!! (coming from an AZ Native, go FIGURE)


Here's more of my unpopular opinions..

If you took any of the 3 Laker Kobe & Shaq teams and put them up against the 3 Bulls teams 96, 97 and 98... No way the Lakers win any of those series.. The 72 win team was the greatest EVER .. somebody said Rick Fox was going to shut down MJ..ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!! no way way in hell Rick Fox would ever shut down Jordan, you could blindfold MJ and he'd still school Mr Vanessa Williams..

Hakeem Olajuwon is the greatest center of ALL-TIME..Nobody else played in an era where there were so many dominate bigs and nobody dominated their counter parts like The Dream... The Admiral, Shaq, Ewing.. Hakeem made all these guys eat their sneakers from the back-end.. You can argue that Wilt or Russell were better...but I wasnt even a twinkle in my parents eyes then so I cant critique their play.. The only thing that sucks is that we never got to see who was truly better between Jordan and Olajuwon.. A Bulls-Rockets finals would of solved that.. Magic and Knicks would of never made the finals had Jordan kept playing in 94 and 95.. They did not possess the testicular fortitude to beat Jordan..

Barkley was better than Karl Malone.. Yeah book it..

This years Phoenix Suns are the best of Nash Era..and yes THEY ARE CONTENDERS

Dwight Howard will never be as dominate as Shaq was on the offensive end and the comparison is INSANE, am I the only who sees the complete difference in physiques between these two? even in Shaq's younger days..

Derrick Rose's career will equal that of Kenny Anderson's when its all said and done..

Blake Griffin's career will equal that of Derrick Coleman's when its all said and done..

If you call Dirk a power foward, then Amare is Better.. Look at the FG %.. how many coaches want their big man shooting outside jumpers most of the time..

PSD was getting real boring for me until this thread came around.. :clap:

kurivaimu
03-27-2010, 07:55 AM
Dwight Howard is way overrated. Except for his athleticism, he has squat. No footwork, no J, no postmoves..And there was this ridicuolous thread asking wheter Dwight would end up being top 3 center?? Seriously..dwight will never be better than Chamberlain, the dream, russell, shaq, ewing, the admiral..lets add Timmy D also

Dwyane Wade is overrated. You cant put LBJ and Wade in the same sentence..a few year back, look what LB did with his non-spectacualr team..and..compare it to what Wade did with his unspectacular team with no supporting cast... LBJ >>>> Wade

Deron Williams is better than CP3. In head-to-head matchups Deron kills CP3 every time.

The only thin stopping the Lakers from winning the championship this year is KObe's selfishness. If the lakers would share the ball more, go inside-out, get pau , artest, odom involved..theyd be unbeatable.

shep33
03-27-2010, 08:08 AM
The Knicks or Nets will be a playoff team in 2 years

Carmelo goes to the Knicks in 2011 (slim chance, but possible)

This year's draft will be bad

The Bulls get Amar'e

Seattle Supersonics had the nicest NBA jerseys back with Kemp and Payton (Skyline-green and white), and remain the most exciting team to watch in the past 15 years.

Gus Johnson should call NBA games

shep33
03-27-2010, 08:13 AM
When all is said and done Shaqs career>than LBJ's cause Shaq gets 4 rings to LBJ's 2.

JayW_1023
03-27-2010, 08:27 AM
Manu is prolly the most complete SG along with Kobe Bryant and Brandon Roy, when healthy. And he is showing it.

Evan Turner reminds me of a less athletic Tracy McGrady

Melo still has to mature his overall game. He is prolly the best pure scorer in the league...but he still needs to play smarter if the Nuggets want to win it all.

Joe Johnson, Danny Granger and Chris Bosh would help there careers playing as second banana on a contender, than as the main guy.

The Jazz are the most overlooked team in the league...and Deron Williams the most overlooked player. No PG is playing better these days.

JasonJohnHorn
03-27-2010, 09:56 AM
Jordan is/ was overrated. He was a ballhog and terrible team player.


oh and this thread wont end in a good way.

I got your back on this one. I might not agree that he was a terrible team player later in his career, but he certainly started off that way and is grossly overrated even if he is the best shooting guard of all time. Lets face it, the officials gave him and the Bulls so many calls it was disgusting. Watching basketball in the early to mid 90's was hard for any true fan of the game because the league wouldnt let teams really compete.

mikantsass
03-27-2010, 10:13 AM
Derrick Rose is good, and has super potential however because of Bulls fans everyone outside of Chicago will hate him for his entire career (Especially if he starts winning).

Kobe is better than LeBron.

Pau Gasol is not a top 25 NBA player.

Paul Pierce is the 3rd best SF behind LeBron and Melo.

mikantsass
03-27-2010, 10:15 AM
LBJ has a legit chance to be considered the nba's GOAT. by the time he retires

CP3 will go done as the greatest pg all-time (statistically) -championships

Lebron is a real life avatar created by ZEUS

Evan Turner will be the best player out of this draft.

No Jordan? Karl Malone is the undisputed greatest pf of all-time

I know people will rip my post to threads but I just wanted to have a little fun.

I like it all, but Malone was not better than Duncan.

BoognishMN
03-27-2010, 10:16 AM
1 Jordan is a Goat CANDIDATE but not the Hands down Goat

2 Tim duncan is the best player of thelast decade.

3 Pau is better than Dirk.

4 I woudl trade Kobe for Lebron ( im a lakerfan)

5 Iverson is the most overate player in the last 10 years.

6 Spain with al its players can defeat team usa.

This thread will get closed soon since it cant go any way but down once the usual suspects start bashing other psotrs for their beliefs.

These two, plus Al Jefferson is at best a #2 on a decent team if not a #3, the NBA is terrible in terms of quality of product compared to 15 years ago, and the league needs to contract 4 teams.

fairandbalanced
03-27-2010, 10:21 AM
Kobe never was the best player in the NBA.......How dare you name a shooting guard or Small forward that hasn't averaged 3 assists a season in the NBA (Kevin Durrant) a top 5 player.

BALLER71
03-27-2010, 10:22 AM
Dwight Howard is overrated.

I hate Michael Jordan. He's the best to ever do it, but I strongly dislike him.

Lebron is better than Kobe.

I think Pat Riley is better than Phil Jackson.

NBA is too soft.

fairandbalanced
03-27-2010, 10:25 AM
Dwight Howard is way overrated. Except for his athleticism, he has squat. No footwork, no J, no postmoves..And there was this ridicuolous thread asking wheter Dwight would end up being top 3 center?? Seriously..dwight will never be better than Chamberlain, the dream, russell, shaq, ewing, the admiral..lets add Timmy D also

Dwyane Wade is overrated. You cant put LBJ and Wade in the same sentence..a few year back, look what LB did with his non-spectacualr team..and..compare it to what Wade did with his unspectacular team with no supporting cast... LBJ >>>> Wade

Deron Williams is better than CP3. In head-to-head matchups Deron kills CP3 every time.

The only thin stopping the Lakers from winning the championship this year is KObe's selfishness. If the lakers would share the ball more, go inside-out, get pau , artest, odom involved..theyd be unbeatable.

He must have mistakenly won a championship by himself. I guess Lebron would have won it with a worn-out Alonzo mourning, a washed up Jason Williams, the great Antoine Walker, Washed up Shaq and the great Gary Payton (Who couldn't do shyt with the Lakers).....what a spectacular team.

BALLER71
03-27-2010, 10:28 AM
He must have mistakenly won a championship by himself. I guess Lebron would have won it with a worn-out Alonzo mourning, a washed up Jason Williams, the great Antoine Walker, Washed up Shaq and the great Gary Payton (Who couldn't do shyt with the Lakers).....what a spectacular team.

Gary Payton hit some big shots against the Mavs.

Ray_R
03-27-2010, 10:36 AM
I hate half of you for saying the stupidest ****.

LeBron is Humble :D

Hellcrooner
03-27-2010, 10:37 AM
Dwight Howard is way overrated. Except for his athleticism, he has squat. No footwork, no J, no postmoves..And there was this ridicuolous thread asking wheter Dwight would end up being top 3 center?? Seriously..dwight will never be better than Chamberlain, the dream, russell, shaq, ewing, the admiral..lets add Timmy D also

Dwyane Wade is overrated. You cant put LBJ and Wade in the same sentence..a few year back, look what LB did with his non-spectacualr team..and..compare it to what Wade did with his unspectacular team with no supporting cast... LBJ >>>> Wade

Deron Williams is better than CP3. In head-to-head matchups Deron kills CP3 every time.

The only thin stopping the Lakers from winning the championship this year is KObe's selfishness. If the lakers would share the ball more, go inside-out, get pau , artest, odom involved..theyd be unbeatable.

right on the nail pity team play does not sell merchandasing

OnslaughtXX6
03-27-2010, 10:39 AM
Brandon Jennings is going to end up being better than Allen Iverson

Lebron James will end up being the best player ever.

Kobe Bryant is the most overrated player in the past decade.

Durant will end up being better than Kobe.

masalex1205
03-27-2010, 11:37 AM
LBJ has a legit chance to be considered the nba's GOAT. by the time he retires

CP3 will go done as the greatest pg all-time (statistically) -championships

Lebron is a real life avatar created by ZEUS

Evan Turner will be the best player out of this draft.

No Jordan? Karl Malone is the undisputed greatest pf of all-time

I know people will rip my post to threads but I just wanted to have a little fun.

Tim Duncan is without a doubt the greatest PF of all-time, he's the most underrated player of all time.

KnicksorBust
03-27-2010, 12:18 PM
Look at Wilt's hustle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucfpGWfhDU

People forget that Big Men tire faster. Wilt's never been fouled out of a game and he played basically every minute he could in his career. the only times he missed games was when he had a heart attack and broke his foot

I'd never want that distinction for my center. That's pathetic. I've read how he was obsessed with that stat and would shy away from playing defense when he got close to fouling out. That fact is exactly why he could never be the g.o.a.t.

KnicksorBust
03-27-2010, 12:20 PM
I love this thread but LakerzFan1971 is by far the worst poster in here. This just in, copying and pasting a biography is not a good argument or a quality post.

Kakaroach
03-27-2010, 12:20 PM
Karl Malone is the best PF of all time cuz Duncan plays center.

John Stockton is the best pure PG of all time.

KnicksorBust
03-27-2010, 12:21 PM
LBJ has a legit chance to be considered the nba's GOAT. by the time he retires

CP3 will go done as the greatest pg all-time (statistically) -championships

Lebron is a real life avatar created by ZEUS

Evan Turner will be the best player out of this draft.

No Jordan? Karl Malone is the undisputed greatest pf of all-time

I know people will rip my post to threads but I just wanted to have a little fun.

Just curious, do you have CP3 winning a title? If so, where and how? Oh and there is no f'ing way Malone is the best PF of all-time but that's just obvious.

iam brett favre
03-27-2010, 12:25 PM
Shaq is the most overrated athlete of all time

KnicksorBust
03-27-2010, 12:26 PM
Manu is prolly the most complete SG along with Kobe Bryant and Brandon Roy, when healthy. And he is showing it.

Evan Turner reminds me of a less athletic Tracy McGrady

Melo still has to mature his overall game. He is prolly the best pure scorer in the league...but he still needs to play smarter if the Nuggets want to win it all.

Joe Johnson, Danny Granger and Chris Bosh would help there careers playing as second banana on a contender, than as the main guy.

The Jazz are the most overlooked team in the league...and Deron Williams the most overlooked player. No PG is playing better these days.

Evan Turner I don't care about...

The underlined I think is kind of obvious but the bolded I thought was great to mention. Deron and Manu are legit players. Manu gets a bad wrap for his injuries and Deron I don't even understand why he never gets talked about. He's mastered the scoring/passing balance and hits big shots on a team that really isn't that great.

KnicksorBust
03-27-2010, 12:29 PM
Brandon Jennings is going to end up being better than Allen Iverson

Lebron James will end up being the best player ever.

Kobe Bryant is the most overrated player in the past decade.

Durant will end up being better than Kobe.

Can someone please explain to me how his fg% can be lower than his 3pt% ?

iam brett favre
03-27-2010, 12:29 PM
Oh and the jazz are better than any other team in the league right now

KnicksorBust
03-27-2010, 12:32 PM
Time for mine:

Atlanta is going to make the Finals.

Chris Paul will never win a ring.

The Thunder should trade Jeff Green and Westbrook.

Avenged
03-27-2010, 12:35 PM
Lol this thread turned into a Lakers bashing thread just because one Laker homer can't accept reality.

Big Zo
03-27-2010, 12:57 PM
I get pissed when It's the white guy beating my team. White people shouldn't be allowed in the NBA. LOL

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 01:00 PM
Dwight Howard is way overrated. Except for his athleticism, he has squat. No footwork, no J, no postmoves..And there was this ridicuolous thread asking wheter Dwight would end up being top 3 center?? Seriously..dwight will never be better than Chamberlain, the dream, russell, shaq, ewing, the admiral..lets add Timmy D also

Dwyane Wade is overrated. You cant put LBJ and Wade in the same sentence..a few year back, look what LB did with his non-spectacualr team..and..compare it to what Wade did with his unspectacular team with no supporting cast... LBJ >>>> Wade

Deron Williams is better than CP3. In head-to-head matchups Deron kills CP3 every time.

The only thin stopping the Lakers from winning the championship this year is KObe's selfishness. If the lakers would share the ball more, go inside-out, get pau , artest, odom involved..theyd be unbeatable.


Your profile pic makes sense of your criticism on shooting guards. I would have done the same if I was a Roy fan.

OnslaughtXX6
03-27-2010, 01:05 PM
Can someone please explain to me how his fg% can be lower than his 3pt% ?

Yeah that's puzzling but he's still going to end up being a monster. IMO

NYYCowboys
03-27-2010, 01:13 PM
LeBron James come to the Knicks, wins 8 championships, and after he retires becomes the mayor of New York City.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 01:13 PM
Dwayne Wade is severely underrated. He is the best player in the league behind Lebron James hands down. Give him a somewhat supporting cast and his team will be unbeatable. If Bosh/Amare joins him next year, he is definately going to grab the mvp award. Mark my words.

OnslaughtXX6
03-27-2010, 01:23 PM
D-Wade's supporting cast is ****.

McPeak92
03-27-2010, 01:25 PM
1.Lebron will never be on the same level as MJ


2.Wilt is the GOAT

Hawkeye15
03-27-2010, 01:31 PM
LeBron has been better than Kobe for 3 years
Dallas is the most overrated team in the past 10 years
Iverson's career will be looked at as him being completely overrated

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 01:45 PM
LeBron has been better than Kobe for 3 years
Dallas is the most overrated team in the past 10 years
Iverson's career will be looked at as him being completely overrated

Agree.

Avenged
03-27-2010, 01:48 PM
LeBron has been better than Kobe for 3 years
Dallas is the most overrated team in the past 10 years
Iverson's career will be looked at as him being completely overrated

I agree, well maybe Lebron has been better for the last 2 years but that's just opinion. And I don't think Dallas is overrated, they clearly have a great team together.

Iodine
03-27-2010, 01:50 PM
Did someone really call MJ a ****** teamate then suck off wilt?

there is so much irony

Master Mind
03-27-2010, 01:54 PM
Portland f'd up yet again...Drafting a nudist over a sure fire superstar

Agar81
03-27-2010, 01:58 PM
d12 is overrated IMO

ElMarroAfamado
03-27-2010, 05:54 PM
lebron james will not win a title this year or anytime soon. why? because all he does is dunk and layup and he doesnt trust his jumper

kevin durant will win a title sooner than lebron james.

the Spurs are not going to win a title anytime soon and they are done and have been done for a while. even with all this corny "they are never done" or "i wouldnt want to face them in the playoffs" you know the same things people say every year about them? well stop . THEY ARE DONE.

NEITHER THE CELTICS OR CAVS will be in the NBA Finals this year.

lebron james is the rondo of jumpshooting
and he only shoots when the shotclock is winding down and 98% of the time the shots rattle in

people like lebron james because he dunks.

ElMarroAfamado
03-27-2010, 05:58 PM
people talk about dwight howard not having an offensive post game or much of it...but they ignore the fact that lebron james has no jumpshot and relies 99% of the time on dunks and layups to get his points....people are blinded by his dunks
they associate dunking with greatness

ElMarroAfamado
03-27-2010, 06:01 PM
i dont know how people could be on a guys nuts so much (lebron james) when he is so hatable

Avenged
03-27-2010, 06:18 PM
people talk about dwight howard not having an offensive post game or much of it...but they ignore the fact that lebron james has no jumpshot and relies 99% of the time on dunks and layups to get his points....people are blinded by his dunks
they associate dunking with greatness

Hmm well I hope you're kidding because Lebron's jumper isn't so bad. Granted it isn't the best but he has improved.

DodgerBulls
03-27-2010, 06:19 PM
DJ Mbenga is the luckiest man in the world, not the dos ekis guy.

Bullsfan22
03-27-2010, 06:19 PM
This is the best thread I've seen in a long time.

Reversed86Curse
03-27-2010, 06:20 PM
In a 7 game series of the NBA Finals, the Bulls would have HCA and beat the Lakers in Game 7 in Chicago. But I think if you add Pau to the mix, Lakers would easily trump MJ's Bulls.

Oh, here we go again... dude, Rodman would have shut Pau down. All he'd have to do is look at him and Pau would wimper and scurry away.... besides, with or w/out Pau, Bulls win in 6

Avenged
03-27-2010, 06:21 PM
Oh, here we go again... dude, Rodman would have shut Pau down. All he'd have to do is look at him and Pau would wimper and scurry away.... besides, with or w/out Pau, Bulls win in 6

Im more interested in Artest vs. Rodman :drool:

DodgerBulls
03-27-2010, 06:23 PM
people talk about dwight howard not having an offensive post game or much of it...but they ignore the fact that lebron james has no jumpshot and relies 99% of the time on dunks and layups to get his points....people are blinded by his dunks
they associate dunking with greatness

i'd take 99% on dunks and layups if I can get to them as easy as Lebron does it. On an open court, would you rather shoot it or dunk it with no one guarding the rim? Effieciency>Shooting Skills IMO.

Ragun
03-27-2010, 06:40 PM
bargnani will be better than dirk!

COBY KARL
03-27-2010, 06:40 PM
1. LeBron is the more dominant player and most valuable to his team, but he is not more skilled than Kobe Bryant.

2. The first round of the playoffs should go back to 5 games

3. The NBA has the worst referees in all of sports.

4. Kevin Durant is one lankyass motherf**ker

5. Michael Jordan is the closest candidate to GOAT, NOT WILT. (sorry asandu, when i go to Footlocker, I buy Jordans not Chamberlains)

6. For some reason, I think the 2010 NBA draft will be rigged so that the Knicks get the 1st pick -> John Wall.

7. Derrick Rose = Rajon Rondo.

Reversed86Curse
03-27-2010, 06:43 PM
Im more interested in Artest vs. Rodman :drool:

Yah, that would be pretty intense

E.O.21
03-27-2010, 06:44 PM
people talk about dwight howard not having an offensive post game or much of it...but they ignore the fact that lebron james has no jumpshot and relies 99% of the time on dunks and layups to get his points....people are blinded by his dunks
they associate dunking with greatness

Lebrons jumper is decent and its only gonna get better. I dont see howard getting much better offensively in the long run

Korman12
03-27-2010, 06:50 PM
1. LeBron is the more dominant player and most valuable to his team, but he is not more skilled than Kobe Bryant.

2. The first round of the playoffs should go back to 5 games

3. The NBA has the worst referees in all of sports.

4. Kevin Durant is one lankyass motherf**ker

5. Michael Jordan is the closest candidate to GOAT, NOT WILT. (sorry asandu, when i go to Footlocker, I buy Jordans not Chamberlains)

6. For some reason, I think the 2010 NBA draft will be rigged so that the Knicks get the 1st pick -> John Wall.

7. Derrick Rose = Rajon Rondo.

Well, they gave their first rounder to Utah so that's pretty much impossible.

godolphins
03-27-2010, 06:50 PM
This season is so boring, I can't wait for the 2010 season.

mser58
03-27-2010, 06:51 PM
Scottie Pippen is THE MOST OVERATED PLAYER EVER

Iodine
03-27-2010, 06:52 PM
I might as well add my two cents

David Thompson's first three years were ****ing insane for someone so young.
If he had stayed away from coke he would easily be a top 20 player of all time and maybe in the top 3 shooting guard range
I mean in his first 4 years he topped both 20 ppg and 50% shooting, eFG%, and 55 TS% every. single. year.

Add in the fact that he was such a complete player (he averaged 6.3 rebounds one season and 4.5 assists in another) could get to the line at will (in his first six years his "worst" was 7.6 FTA's a game)

He also could get a bunch of impact plays on defense

Dude was just soooo good

Wisdom Listens
03-27-2010, 06:53 PM
David Kahn knows what he is doing.

Bullsfan22
03-27-2010, 06:53 PM
1. LeBron is the more dominant player and most valuable to his team, but he is not more skilled than Kobe Bryant.

2. The first round of the playoffs should go back to 5 games

3. The NBA has the worst referees in all of sports.

4. Kevin Durant is one lankyass motherf**ker

5. Michael Jordan is the closest candidate to GOAT, NOT WILT. (sorry asandu, when i go to Footlocker, I buy Jordans not Chamberlains)

6. For some reason, I think the 2010 NBA draft will be rigged so that the Knicks get the 1st pick -> John Wall.

7. Derrick Rose = Rajon Rondo.

this.

Iodine
03-27-2010, 07:01 PM
David Kahn knows what he is doing.

Whats sad is that thats viewed as unpopular

Korman12
03-27-2010, 07:10 PM
There is a legit bias against drafting foreign players.

JWO35
03-27-2010, 07:13 PM
LeBron James is a better all-around Player than Kobe and Jordan

TmacBryant
03-27-2010, 07:15 PM
tmac will make a come back.

brandon roy ,granger ,and gerald wallace are underrated

lakers dont ever try on fast break defense or against fast point guards who use pick and roll

BradyIsTheMan12
03-27-2010, 07:29 PM
The Blazers have a better young nucleus than the Thunder.

smith&wesson
03-27-2010, 07:32 PM
1 Jordan is a Goat CANDIDATE but not the Hands down Goat

2 Tim duncan is the best player of thelast decade.

3 Pau is better than Dirk.

4 I woudl trade Kobe for Lebron ( im a lakerfan)

5 Iverson is the most overate player in the last 10 years.

6 Spain with al its players can defeat team usa.

This thread will get closed soon since it cant go any way but down once the usual suspects start bashing other psotrs for their beliefs.



1. so far jordan is the best player of all time. whos better ? its arguable but really and trully it is not arguable you know what i mean ?

2. shaq and kobe are right up there with duncan to be the best players of the last decade wuth 4 rings a piece.

3. pau is def not better then dirk. pau couldnt lead the grizzlies in to the playoffs. dirk has lead all his teams to the play offs and even reached the finals with one of them. by all his teams i mean different players that have came and went from dallas.

4. you would trade kobe for lebron because lebrons like 25 and kobe's like 31.

5. Im not gonna touch this one.

i liked your post, i decided to debate it

B-Ray
03-27-2010, 07:34 PM
Bryan Colangelo's philosophy of having a team full of offensively-minded players will never produce a championship.

TheWatcher34
03-27-2010, 07:35 PM
there are too many games in the NBA

d79cheese
03-27-2010, 07:54 PM
Wade's the second best player in the NBA to Lebron.

And on a non NBA tip, I want to hate slay Ann Coulter.

obviously wade is fourth because lebron is third behind kobe and monta

heathonater
03-27-2010, 07:55 PM
Lebron stays home in cleveland.

basketfan4life
03-27-2010, 07:59 PM
if he can not win a title in these 2 years, lbj will go down as the most overrated and overhyped player ever!
saying this i think he is one of two best players in the league with kobe.

GSW Hoops
03-27-2010, 08:07 PM
Adonal Foyle would be the MVP of the D-League, hands down.

Master Mind
03-27-2010, 08:08 PM
LeBron James is a better all-around Player than Kobe and Jordan

Lebron shoots better than them? Lebron plays better Man D than them? :eyebrow:

Raidaz4Life
03-27-2010, 08:09 PM
Karl Malone is the best PF of all time cuz Duncan plays center.

John Stockton is the best pure PG of all time.

YES

and

YES!!!! Finally someone who agrees with me on both accounts!!!

ManChild
03-27-2010, 08:16 PM
Dwight Howard is overrated.

Monta Ellis is overrated.

Lebron James is better than Kobe

Lebron James is not as altruistic as he appears.

Steve Nash is slightly overrated

GSW Hoops
03-27-2010, 08:16 PM
Tim Duncan is the best player since Jordan. Yes, better than Kobe and LeBron.

wileyisTOFU
03-27-2010, 08:17 PM
Gren Oden's penis is small

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 08:18 PM
if he can not win a title in these 2 years, lbj will go down as the most overrated and overhyped player ever!
saying this i think he is one of two best players in the league with kobe.

Sounds like you dont know much about basketball. He will be 27 in two years. Jodan won his first when he was 27 and went on to win 6 titles (could win 2 more --94,95), eventually went down as the GOAT. Now how do you know Lebron wont win a ship after 27?

ManChild
03-27-2010, 08:20 PM
Even if Lebron didn't win the ring this year, he is only 25 years old. He still has another 5-8 years left in his prime to win a ring before he begins to decline.

Wisdom Listens
03-27-2010, 08:21 PM
Gren Oden's penis is small

How did you figure out that one?

wileyisTOFU
03-27-2010, 08:26 PM
How did you figure out that one?

24 pk of cheap beer, some GHB, and a curling iron.

*shudders*

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 08:27 PM
Dwight Howard is overrated.

Monta Ellis is overrated.

Lebron James is better than Kobe

Lebron James is not as altruistic as he appears.

Steve Nash is slightly overrated

All true imo except the last one.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 08:29 PM
Tim Duncan is the best player since Jordan. Yes, better than Kobe and LeBron.

Where does shaq go???? Kobe and Lebron better than shaq?? Just wow!!

Wisdom Listens
03-27-2010, 08:37 PM
Where does shaq go???? Kobe and Lebron better than shaq?? Just wow!!

It is funny the amount of people who do not even mention him when discussing the best players of all time. I would like to go on the record here:





"Shaquille O'Neal is the greatest player of all time."

-Wisdom

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 08:41 PM
It is funny the amount of people who do not even mention him when discussing the best players of all time. I would like to go on the record here:





"Shaquille O'Neal is the greatest player of all time."

-Wisdom

Well, I dont think he is the GOAT, but you cant be too wrong to say he is the Greatest Center of All Time.

Wisdom Listens
03-27-2010, 08:44 PM
Well, I dont think he is the GOAT, but you cant be too wrong to say he is the Greatest Center of All Time.

Shaquille O’Neal>Michael Jordan>Wilt Chamberlain, in my book.

asandhu23
03-27-2010, 08:48 PM
Michael Jordan is the closest candidate to GOAT, NOT WILT. (sorry asandu, when i go to Footlocker, I buy Jordans not Chamberlains)


Lol... Nike was founded in 1972. Wilt's career was over when they even showed up on the radar. In fact, Jordan was the one who made Nike famous. Before him everyone wore Converse.

If Wilt had the same media coverage Jordan/ Kobe/Shaq had, you guys would be wearing his shoes.

jackdawson
03-27-2010, 08:53 PM
Lol... Nike was founded in 1972. Wilt's career was over when they even showed up on the radar. In fact, Jordan was the one who made Nike famous. Before him everyone wore Converse.

If Wilt had the same media coverage Jordan/ Kobe/Shaq had, you guys would be wearing his shoes.

Seriously, how many people think Wilt is the GOAT?? I understand you can make a serious case of him being #2 all time, but Jordan is universal #1.

Iodine
03-27-2010, 11:33 PM
But jordan was a bad teamate apparently according to master of all things nba (personally for me he's on the level just under the top 20 teamates)

I mean wilt wad a great teammate it's not like the lakers players voted AGAINST trading for him while he was doing his thing in sf. Oh wait

carter15
03-27-2010, 11:37 PM
Vince is the 4th best SG in the game today behind only Kobe, Wade and Roy. And come playoff time he will dominate. :).

basketfan4life
03-27-2010, 11:43 PM
Sounds like you dont know much about basketball. He will be 27 in two years. Jodan won his first when he was 27 and went on to win 6 titles (could win 2 more --94,95), eventually went down as the GOAT. Now how do you know Lebron wont win a ship after 27?

i know much my friend,believe me...and just to make it clear, i never said if he can't win in 2 years he can't win at all,read seriously.i know what jordon did at what age.

but people are missing some important points, i don't expect lebron to play at this level very long time,especially not 7-8 years.first of all,i think he played the most minutes till that age, secondly his game depends so much on his physic and that brings extra damage to body and especially knees,also when you think of his amazing frame...even his manager or trainer said he afraids that age can catch him up sooner than everybody think.and i don't expect him to develop jordon/kobe like mid-range game,of course he will got better but not that much.

and most importantly,lebron never faced the 'legacy on the line' situation, this is his first year on that department, he has all the tools around himself.from now on every year without winning will hurt his legacy, if we speak honestly he takes the easiest foul calls and if your legacy start to take hits those calls are being very hard to take, a lot of star faced that situation in this league,kobe was getting a lot of easier calls at early 2000s,and thinking his game depends inside scoring way more than kobe,it can hurt his game more.not to mention the press,it looks like everybody is on lebrons side,but..

so even if he wins 1 or 2 c'ships,thinking that nearly everyody was/is absolutely sure he will go down at least 2nd to mj,it is going to be the defination of overrated.and i'm tired of saying this,i'm not a lakers/kobe fan and i wish lebron the best of luck and success because i like his level of talent very very much.

momoneyyyy
03-27-2010, 11:52 PM
monta is a ballhog!!

JNA17
03-27-2010, 11:58 PM
lebron is the 3rd best player in the league behind wade and kobe

lakerboy
03-28-2010, 12:29 AM
Lakers really don't get love from referees

BradyIsTheMan12
03-28-2010, 12:40 AM
Kobe's supporting cast is good but not as good as people make it out to be.

sargon21
03-28-2010, 12:56 AM
danny granger sucks, and b-roy is not underrated, he's just fine where he is

E.O.21
03-28-2010, 01:05 AM
vince is the 4th best sg in the game today behind only kobe, wade and roy. And come playoff time he will dominate. :).

false!!

E.O.21
03-28-2010, 01:05 AM
lakers really don't get love from referees

false!

HuRRiCaNeS324
03-28-2010, 01:14 AM
D Wade has a lot of haters

roshan3ai
03-28-2010, 01:19 AM
If LeBron and Kobe switched places, LeBron would win a chip for sure, and the Cavs would be a 2-4 seed.

mr_relevant
03-28-2010, 05:33 AM
Tyreke Evans will be the second best player of this decade behind Durant

jackdawson
03-28-2010, 05:47 AM
lebron is the 3rd best player in the league behind wade and kobe

;)

jackdawson
03-28-2010, 05:49 AM
D Wade has a lot of haters

You bet. No Doubt about this.

alencp3
03-28-2010, 05:59 AM
Tyreke Evans will be the second best player of this decade behind Durant

:)

Chill_Will_24
03-28-2010, 12:54 PM
The NBA lottery is a hoax. John Wall will go to whatever team Stern believes he will be of most profit to the league with...

Hellcrooner
03-28-2010, 01:41 PM
mmmm im going to try to say something polemich i think bout each franchise.


1 Kobe should take less shots per game and share the ball more.

2 Clippers will land Lebron or Wade, dont knwo why no one talks bout them as stin FA contenders this year.

3 Warriors needs to trade Ellis or Curry for a traitional PG

4 Tyreke Evans is better than people thought on draft day but worse than people is hyping him to be now.

5 Robin Lopez can become a very good center.

6 Thunder should be taken back to Seattle to be the Sonics .

7 Rudy Fernandez should get more PT and MOre TOuches.

8 Chauncey billups should make the Hof

9 Deron Williams is better than C Paul

10 Ricky Rubio WILL play for minnessota .

11 Spurs are not boring to watch if you really like basketball and dont care bout flashy things but fundamentals

12 Dirk is way overated .

13 Rockets coudl have gotten a much betted deal for Tmacs megaexpiring.

14 Rudy Gay should have been traded at deadline.

15 Chris Paul Will end up being a Laker , SOON.


1 Dantoni is a fluke shoudl get the boot at season ends and Knicks should try t Convince P Jackson to coach if they really want to have a chance at any serious FA.

2 Brook Lopez has the tool to be the Best NBA Center in the near future

3 Celtics are Done they overpayed KG and ROndo.

4 Sixers are not that bad if they get WALL theyll be at least in C finals next season.

5 Turkoglu is making the Raptors Worse.

6 Dwayne Wade will probably sign for Chicago.

7 Dwight Howard is dominant but his game is unpolished fundamental wise he is not even top 50 player in the league.

8 Wizards should go back to be the Bullets.

9 Josh Smith is not really a good player.

10 Bobcats should not lose Felton and trade Dj instead.

11 Lebron will Leave Cleveland.

12 Rose is overated rigth now.

13 Jennings is TERRIBLY overated he will become AI 2 scoring a lot on horrible % and people being blind to it.

14 Joe Dumars is a good GM.

15 Danny Granger would be swuited best as a third option in a team that is looking to really win

Chronz
03-28-2010, 01:57 PM
There is alot of fail in your post

KnicksorBust
03-28-2010, 02:05 PM
There is alot of fail in your post

:laugh: This summed it up nicely.

Posting mine to get some comments:

1. Atlanta will make the Finals.

2. The Thunder should trade Westbrook and Green.

3. Chris Paul will never win a ring.

Vinny642
03-28-2010, 02:12 PM
:laugh: This summed it up nicely.

Posting mine to get some comments:

1. Atlanta will make the Finals.

2. The Thunder should trade Westbrook and Green.

3. Chris Paul will never win a ring.

The Knicks wont either

alencp3
03-28-2010, 02:28 PM
:laugh: This summed it up nicely.

Posting mine to get some comments:

1. Atlanta will make the Finals.

2. The Thunder should trade Westbrook and Green.

3. Chris Paul will never win a ring.

U wanna bet?

ManChild
03-28-2010, 02:40 PM
All true imo except the last one.

Steve Nash went to almost complete crap under Terry Porter. He only thrives in a fast system.

dwadefan03
03-28-2010, 02:42 PM
wade is better than kobe

Hellcrooner
03-28-2010, 02:52 PM
There is alot of fail in your post

i did say polemich sentences not right sentences :p


and also theres plenty of win too


half filled/half empty bottle you know?

NYtilIdie
03-28-2010, 03:13 PM
Lebron is the best player in the league and Kobe is #2, followed by Wade at 3.

The Lakers seriously under-achieved this season. I remember one idiot Laker fan (Sp1derm) said this Lakers squad was better then the 95-96 Bulls and they would win more then 70 games.

Tyreke will be a top 3 player by time he's 25 and has already proven in his rookie year that he's better then Rose.

We seriously overrated Brandon Jennings

The Thunder will be title contenders in 2-3 years especially if they get a good center.

Hellcrooner
03-28-2010, 03:20 PM
The Knicks wont either

well considering Pauls career will be 10 to 15 years

and knics will go on existing for decades theres no way you can win.

Big Zo
03-28-2010, 03:22 PM
Anyone that's ever said that Chris Paul is better than Dwyane Wade just enjoys saying stupid things.

Iodine
03-28-2010, 03:28 PM
There is alot of fail in your post

Have I told you I love you recently?

Vinny642
03-28-2010, 03:32 PM
Anyone that's ever said that Chris Paul is better than Dwyane Wade just enjoys saying stupid things.

i can say it, because im a hornets fan, but u gotta admit CP is much much much more efficient at scoring and at passing

arkanian215
03-28-2010, 03:36 PM
"Monta Ellis is better than LeBron James "-Monta Ellis

Sadds The Gr8
03-28-2010, 03:37 PM
- Current Best players in the league:
1) Lebron
2) Kobe
3) Wade
4) Carmelo
5) CP3 (when healthy)

- Dwight Howard is overrated

- Bulls fans made everyone on PSD hate Derrick Rose

- Even if Kobe surpasses MJ in rings, MJ is still better than him.

- CP3>D-Will

KnicksorBust
03-28-2010, 03:39 PM
The Knicks wont either

:laugh: Baiting = weakness


U wanna bet?

Yeah I'd love to wait 12 years to make you wear a sig that says "KoB was right and I'm an idiot."

gfixer33
03-28-2010, 03:40 PM
craig sager is gay.

Sox Appeal
03-28-2010, 03:41 PM
Some of my unpopular opinions:

- Gus Johnson is a God, and should be announcing all NBA games. I don't care if it's possible or not, we need to get this done.

- People don't understand how good LeBron is. He's head-and-shoulders above the next best player in the league.

- So many people have called Brandon Roy underrated, he's now overrated.

- A team not named the Los Angeles Lakers will win the Western Conference.

Vinny642
03-28-2010, 03:42 PM
:laugh: Baiting = weakness



Yeah I'd love to wait 12 years to make you wear a sig that says "KoB was right and I'm an idiot."

You are known to hate Paul, IDK why, but you do, so whenever u say anything in a post about him, you biasness takes over, I never seen you say anything positive about him

Lil Rhody
03-28-2010, 03:44 PM
Kobe paid off that girl

Iodine
03-28-2010, 03:45 PM
Some of my unpopular opinions:

- Gus Johnson is a God, and should be announcing all NBA games. I don't care if it's possible or not, we need to get this done.

- So many people have called Brandon Roy underrated, he's now overrated.


I agree with these so much

Sadds The Gr8
03-28-2010, 03:47 PM
Some of my unpopular opinions:

- Gus Johnson is a God, and should be announcing all NBA games. I don't care if it's possible or not, we need to get this done.

- People don't understand how good LeBron is. He's head-and-shoulders above the next best player in the league.

- So many people have called Brandon Roy underrated, he's now overrated.

- A team not named the Los Angeles Lakers will win the Western Conference.

x100000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Sadds The Gr8
03-28-2010, 03:48 PM
We (toronto) can't keep a friggin franchise player...seeing as Bosh is now 100% leaving.

Lil Rhody
03-28-2010, 03:49 PM
Oh raise the rim up 1 to 1.5 ft. Guys like Lebron make a living being fast and huge in mass and just plow their way into the rim. Shaq in his prime would have sucked if the rim was a foot higher. He was just a fat boy pushing his way in and hardly jumping to dunk it!

Not saying LJ would suck if it was higher

Lil Rhody
03-28-2010, 03:52 PM
Dwight Howard would suck if the rim was higher

Iodine
03-28-2010, 03:59 PM
Oh raise the rim up 1 to 1.5 ft. Guys like Lebron make a living being fast and huge in mass and just plow their way into the rim. Shaq in his prime would have sucked if the rim was a foot higher. He was just a fat boy pushing his way in and hardly jumping to dunk it!

Not saying LJ would suck if it was higher

You are the reason birth control was invented

Sox Appeal
03-28-2010, 04:01 PM
You are the reason birth control was invented

:laugh:

Hellcrooner
03-28-2010, 04:07 PM
Kobe paid off that girl

entering dangerous territory here..........

jim51990
03-28-2010, 04:18 PM
Durant is better then Kobe and lebron is miles ahead of both of them

Korman12
03-28-2010, 04:25 PM
Everyone was wrong about the 2009 draft

GodsSon
03-28-2010, 04:26 PM
Wade's the second best player in the NBA to Lebron.

And on a non NBA tip, I want to hate slay Ann Coulter.

Don't you believe in invading Muslim nations and forcing conversion to Christianity? :rolleyes: lol

mr_relevant
03-28-2010, 04:30 PM
entering dangerous territory here..........

Some people do not know the meaning of the word "tact"

MacFitz92
03-28-2010, 04:30 PM
The Cavs won't come close to smelling a title. Lose in ECF or swept in Finals.

Hellcrooner
03-28-2010, 04:40 PM
Some people do not know the meaning of the word "tact"

well thats not the problem i agree with him but its worthless saying somting similar to that in forums since it only leads to kobe lovers truning wichever thread into BS that soon is closed.

Rockets Fanatic
03-28-2010, 04:57 PM
Luis Scola can be an allstar

Hawkeye15
03-28-2010, 05:00 PM
Luis Scola can be an allstar

in Argentina

mikantsass
03-28-2010, 05:30 PM
The Cavs won't come close to smelling a title. Lose in ECF or swept in Finals.

That doesnt count as smelling a title?

GSW Hoops
03-28-2010, 06:34 PM
Tyreke Evans will be better than Chris Paul in 2 years.

PLAYERS FAN
03-28-2010, 07:53 PM
Jason Kidd is better than John Stockton!

Miami 07 championship is tainted!

Bill Russell is the greatest winner of all-time and Magic is behind him!

Hand checking is overrated!

Scottie Pippen was the best small forward of the 90s!

Larry Brown deserve most of the credit for Iverson first Final appearance!

Phil Jackson made Jordan and Kobe a team player!

Lebron fans are nothing but former Tmac,Iverson and Carter fans!

Gasol is the softest all-star of all-time!

Bulls miss Ben Gorden!

Shaq never won a title being the 1st option without Kobe!

Deron Williams and Jamal Crawford crossover was better than Iverson and Tim Hardaway!

Vinny642
03-28-2010, 07:57 PM
Chris Paul's best is better than Jason Kidd's best.

_KB24_
03-28-2010, 08:14 PM
Kobe will go down as the most clutch player of all time.

jackdawson
03-28-2010, 09:07 PM
Kobe Bryant is the most overrated player of all time by miles.

Michael Jordan is the GOAT.

Only and only LeBron James has a chance to surpass the GOAT.

LeBron James is the hands down best player on the planet followed by D Wade.

Without Shaq, Kobe=T-Mac or VC.

Diwght Howard is overrated. He wouldn't exist if he played in the 90's.

mr_relevant
03-28-2010, 09:14 PM
LOL really? Only lebron can surpass him? I feel pity for the next generations of ballers who have negative chance of surpassing MJ....

Ezekial
03-28-2010, 09:22 PM
zach randolph has the biggest boobs in the nba

That isn't unpopular it's true.

Rondo is a dirty player, not dirty as in sick nasty, dirty as in punch a player in the face instead of fouling.

jackdawson
03-28-2010, 09:39 PM
Wade has a lot of haters on PSD.

iFYouSeekAmy
03-28-2010, 09:54 PM
yao ming has the biggest dick in the nba

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iFYouSeekAmy
03-28-2010, 10:02 PM
Also, Wilt Chamberlain changed the rules of basketball: 3-in the key

Did Jordan change the rules of basketball?

I'm sorry but Wilt > Jordan

This is an opinion thread.

dodie53
03-28-2010, 10:23 PM
nash should be a three time mvp

or

a 1 time champion

jackdawson
03-28-2010, 10:29 PM
Nash deserved the mvp when Dirk won it in 2007.

Draco
03-28-2010, 11:23 PM
Bryan Colangelo doesn't come across as a very competent GM judging from his Q&A sessions with the media, various Raptor trades or the performance of his Raptor teams.

evadatam5150
03-28-2010, 11:27 PM
Cavs were better than the Magic last year, and are this year. This year they will have more than 1 player show up to the ECF, however.

I will say that the Magic has 4 wins to Clevelands 1 in the playoffs last season that proves you're wrong..

Chill_Will_24
03-28-2010, 11:36 PM
The NJ Nets will be contenders next year

mrblisterdundee
03-28-2010, 11:38 PM
Derrick Rose is a great scorer, but Russell Westbrook is as good or better than him at everything else.

GrandDaddyPurp
03-28-2010, 11:41 PM
Tyreke Evans will be Top 3 in the NBA within 2 years.