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RaysFan
03-19-2010, 10:12 AM
Just wondering what you thought about this list. Who is too high, who is too low, and how would you rank them? You can give a Top 10, 15, 25, etc. BTW, for any NBA fan out there you should really get Bill's book of basketball. It is really good and very entertaining.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Tim Duncan
8. Jerry West
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Shaquille O'Neal
12. Moses Malone
13. John Havlicek
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Kobe Bryant
16. Julius Erving
17. Bob Pettit
18. Karl Malone
19. Charles Barkley
20. LeBron James
21. Bob Cousy
22. Kevin Garnett
23. Isiah Thomas
24. Scottie Pippen
25. John Stockton

JNA17
03-19-2010, 10:14 AM
1. Where is the link to his list?
2. If this is actually his list, it is the most ******** list i have ever seen.

RaysFan
03-19-2010, 10:15 AM
No link, I am just looking at his book.

m26555
03-19-2010, 10:19 AM
Pippen 24th??? :laugh:

Come on...

LeBron should also NOT be that high yet.

handle
03-19-2010, 10:21 AM
The list is basically a mess, but just a few that caught my eye:

- Duncan is way too high.
- LeBron is too high.
- Kobe is too low - Olajuwan 5 spots above Kobe? Duncan 8 spots above him? No.
- 4 of the top 8 / 5 of the top 11 are Lakers :clap: (Kobe should be top 10)

JNA17
03-19-2010, 10:27 AM
list of things that are just wrong.

1. Russel is too high
2. Duncan is too high
3. John Havlicek too high
4. Kobe Bryant too low
5. Dr. J too low (imo)
6. Lebron James WAY TOO HIGH
7. Kevin Garnett too high

there are others that are wrong but i gtg :(

BOSTON617
03-19-2010, 10:32 AM
Just wondering what you thought about this list. Who is too high, who is too low, and how would you rank them? You can give a Top 10, 15, 25, etc. BTW, for any NBA fan out there you should really get Bill's book of basketball. It is really good and very entertaining.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell (his rings and rebounds id prob put top 10)
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird (i'd put him 3)
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Tim Duncan ( overrated hes a top 15 player under kobe and shaq for current players)
8. Jerry West
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Shaquille O'Neal (top 5 player)
12. Moses Malone
13. John Havlicek
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Kobe Bryant ( top 10 player soon to be top 3)
16. Julius Erving
17. Bob Pettit
18. Karl Malone
19. Charles Barkley
20. LeBron James (way to young to be on this list)
21. Bob Cousy
22. Kevin Garnett
23. Isiah Thomas (i'd say just misses list)
24. Scottie Pippen ( pippen shouldnt be on the list)
25. John Stockton

id take a couple of current nba players on this list over some of these guys like

nash
pierce
ray allen
dirk
kidd

Chronz
03-19-2010, 11:32 AM
lol at the Duncan and Dream hate, both easily got a better resume than current Kobe, and no way should Kobe be above Shaq either. Big O and Jerry West are overrated, Shaq bests them both.

magichatnumber9
03-19-2010, 11:48 AM
I think its hilarious that people think they can legitimately rank players they have never seen.

avrpatsfan
03-19-2010, 11:50 AM
Bad list. No way Bill Russell is #2. They got #1 right though ;)

sp1derm00
03-19-2010, 11:52 AM
The list is basically a mess, but just a few that caught my eye:

- Duncan is way too high.
- LeBron is too high.
- Kobe is too low - Olajuwan 5 spots above Kobe? Duncan 8 spots above him? No.
- 4 of the top 8 / 5 of the top 11 are Lakers :clap: (Kobe should be top 10)

If you actually read his book instead of glancing at his list, he does mention in the book that he wrote it before the NBA Championship and that if Kobe does win the title without Shaq, he is automatically bumped into the top 10 All-Time or something. He possibly said top 8, but I forgot, read it a while ago.

pippsux
03-19-2010, 12:00 PM
Just wondering what you thought about this list. Who is too high, who is too low, and how would you rank them? You can give a Top 10, 15, 25, etc. BTW, for any NBA fan out there you should really get Bill's book of basketball. It is really good and very entertaining.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Tim Duncan too high, way too high
8. Jerry West
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Hakeem Olajuwon too low, way too low
11. Shaquille O'Neal
12. Moses Malone
13. John Havlicek
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Kobe Bryant
16. Julius Erving
17. Bob Pettit
18. Karl Malone
19. Charles Barkley
20. LeBron James and he has done what so far?
21. Bob Cousy
22. Kevin Garnetttoo high, should be #25
23. Isiah Thomas
24. Scottie Pippen people still see him as MJ sidekick, should be higher
25. John Stockton

Can't stand any Jazz players, but Stockton should be higher, IMO.

mser58
03-19-2010, 12:01 PM
Chamberlin should never be outside of top 2....

a lot wrong, Simmons' mailbags are great, but I never agree with nything outside of that.

Giannis94
03-19-2010, 12:07 PM
Oscar robertson representing the bucks!!!

Avenged
03-19-2010, 12:11 PM
Don't think Lebron James should be that high YET. Duncan is a little too high I would put Shaq ahead of him.

mikantsass
03-19-2010, 12:11 PM
Anyone care to break down this list by position? That would be interesting...

bedford1829
03-19-2010, 12:19 PM
Most conversations I have had about the greatest of all time have centered around Chamberlain v. Jordan. If this is actually his list, I think its a travesty that Wilt is so low on that list.

Miltown34
03-19-2010, 12:22 PM
I think its hilarious that people think they can legitimately rank players they have never seen.

exactly. I think anytime a guard does something they get ranked higher than the big men. I only rate players I've seen...I've seen some of Larry Bird clips but I think he should be rated a lil bit lower. I only rate the players of the last 10 years.

Young and Stupid
03-19-2010, 12:22 PM
Doesn't do the list justice to just post the names. You have to read the book to hear his explanations and arguments for putting the players where they are. Read the book, you won't regret it - some pretty good insight and a boat-full of laughs.

Evolution23
03-19-2010, 12:22 PM
omg Michael Jordan is #1 wtffffff :)

bagwell368
03-19-2010, 12:23 PM
Here is my list.

Jordan*
Kareem
Bill
Wilt
Bird*
Magic*
Shaq
Duncan*
Hakeem*
K Malone
Kobe
Petitt
Oscar
West
Baylor
KG
Barkley
M Malone
Havlicek
James
Erving
Pippen
Cowens
Stockton
Nowitski
Nash


Comments:

* my starting 5

Pierce isn't top 35. Ray isn't top 50. AI probably belongs, but tough, I hate him.

I've seen all these guys play BTW - on TV or live. I took off Mikan, Cousy and Pettit cause I never saw them.

Miltown34
03-19-2010, 12:24 PM
Wilt use to be a a track star, so people act like he was only good cus he played against small players. Wilt was athletic he could get over 20 and 10 in todays game I think, there's less big men in the game. Plus I'm real young but I've seen a classic game vs him and Jabaar and Wilt looked like he could hold his own even though he was older at that time.

asandhu23
03-19-2010, 12:25 PM
Chamberlain at 6? :facepalm: Malone below Petit? Petit above Pippen and John Stockton? LeBron over Stockton and Pippen? Havlicek over Pippen, Stockton and Malone?

DLeeicious
03-19-2010, 12:27 PM
Shocker, someone posts a list in the NBA forum and everyone thinks it's the worst list in the world. blah blah blah, it's tough to make lists, there is no perfect list that everyone agrees with, make your own list if you care, lists are stupid who cares.

asandhu23
03-19-2010, 12:33 PM
Wilt use to be a a track star, so people act like he was only good cus he played against small players. Wilt was athletic he could get over 20 and 10 in todays game I think, there's less big men in the game. Plus I'm real young but I've seen a classic game vs him and Jabaar and Wilt looked like he could hold his own even though he was older at that time.

:clap: people also forget that big men tire faster. wilt played almost every minute in his career ( except for the year when he got injured ). he did that while he was banging 20000 chicks, playing point guard on harlem globetrotters ( travelling all around the world. add jetlag ) and later in his career he played competitive volleyball.

conway429
03-19-2010, 12:37 PM
people need to stop whining. making a list is entirely a person's opinion.

and Bill Simmons > you

Young and Stupid
03-19-2010, 12:42 PM
:clap: people also forget that big men tire faster. wilt played almost every minute in his career ( except for the year when he got injured ). he did that while he was banging 20000 chicks, playing point guard on harlem globetrotters ( travelling all around the world. add jetlag ) and later in his career he played competitive volleyball.

IMO Wilt Chamberlain is the most overrated player in the history of the NBA...

Lakersfan2483
03-19-2010, 12:43 PM
Just wondering what you thought about this list. Who is too high, who is too low, and how would you rank them? You can give a Top 10, 15, 25, etc. BTW, for any NBA fan out there you should really get Bill's book of basketball. It is really good and very entertaining.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Tim Duncan
8. Jerry West
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Shaquille O'Neal
12. Moses Malone
13. John Havlicek
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Kobe Bryant
16. Julius Erving
17. Bob Pettit
18. Karl Malone
19. Charles Barkley
20. LeBron James
21. Bob Cousy
22. Kevin Garnett
23. Isiah Thomas
24. Scottie Pippen
25. John Stockton

Shaq and Kobe belong in the top ten. West is too high and K. Malone should be higher up the list.

asandhu23
03-19-2010, 12:45 PM
IMO Wilt Chamberlain is the most overrated player in the history of the NBA...

really? watch his classic games.

BoognishMN
03-19-2010, 12:47 PM
I guess I don't get the hate for Ducan at 6, he's one of the top five players in my lifetime. As was pointed out, I have a hard time making a list that includes people I never saw play. My list is 25 players I've seen play
1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kobe
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Hakeem
7. Bird
8. Malone
9. Barkley
10. KG
11. Lebron James
12. Isiah Thomas
13. Scottie Pippen
14. AI
15. John Stockton
16. Patrick Ewing
17. Jason Kidd
18. Dirk Nowistki
19. Dominique Wilkins
20. Gary Payton
21. Clyde Drexler
22. Reggie Miller
23. Shawn Kemp
24. Kevin Johnson
25.Chris Mullin

juggla53
03-19-2010, 12:49 PM
Russel should not be #2 for all the talk about him as the best rebounder ever Wilt actully has a higher career total. He is the greatest winner in sports history but he is not the second best player ever. You can argue him into the top 5 but IMO is somewhere in the top 10. I also disagree with people saying duncan is to high. Hes the best power forward ever and had two completley different championship teams built around him. the 99 and 03 group was completley different from the 05 and 07 teams, Timmy D is deffinatley one of the best players ever and this is comeing from a lakers fan.

BOSTON617
03-19-2010, 12:56 PM
I guess I don't get the hate for Ducan at 6, he's one of the top five players in my lifetime. As was pointed out, I have a hard time making a list that includes people I never saw play. My list is 25 players I've seen play
1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kobe
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Hakeem
7. Bird
8. Malone
9. Barkley
10. KG
11. Lebron James
12. Isiah Thomas
13. Scottie Pippen
14. AI
15. John Stockton
16. Patrick Ewing
17. Jason Kidd
18. Dirk Nowistki
19. Dominique Wilkins
20. Gary Payton
21. Clyde Drexler
22. Reggie Miller
23. Shawn Kemp
24. Kevin Johnson
25.Chris Mullin


:facepalm: your list is ridiculous u got duncan ahead of bird??????? kg 10??????
lebron 11????? lol scottie a.i 13, 14 :facepalm:

JNA17
03-19-2010, 01:01 PM
:facepalm: your list is ridiculous u got duncan ahead of bird??????? kg 10??????
lebron 11????? lol scottie a.i 13, 14 :facepalm:

Don't be shocked.

The average age on this site is 14 or below, I'm not surprised on how idiotic the posts are in the forum anymore.

JordansBulls
03-19-2010, 01:09 PM
Hey guys,

His list is in his new book and this was posted here already with the top 50.

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439401&highlight=Bill+Simmons