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JordansBulls
03-18-2010, 11:26 AM
Phil Jackson's Motto - Elite Teams win 40 games before they lose 20 games.

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Jackson-sees-Lakers-with-40-20-vision?urn=nba,68050&cp=9)




Mention the phrase "40 before 20" to Phil Jackson, and you can almost sense his mind flashing back to greatness. The Los Angeles Lakers' coach believes that elite teams win 40 games before they lose 20, a mark achieved by the Lakers in all three of their championships earlier this decade and by the Chicago Bulls in all six of their championships with Jackson as coach in the 1990s according to the Los Angeles Times.


Do you agree with that notion?

If so, then other than LA and Cleveland, what teams this year have won 40 games before they lost 20 games?

td0tsfinest
03-18-2010, 11:32 AM
I'm not sure, but I think the Nuggets were 39-19 but ended up losing the next game.

Other than them, I don't think anyone's been closer.

clehmun
03-18-2010, 01:11 PM
Orlando was close.

29$JerZ
03-18-2010, 01:13 PM
It would show dominance early on instead of struggling and having to find your grove before cruising before playoffs.

That notion is flawed at some points imo

DCB/LAL
03-18-2010, 01:24 PM
What about a team like the Mavs who may of become "Elite" after the trade half way through the season?

Or the Lakers a few years back.....what about those teams are they not "Elite"?


How would that work if a team has 20 loses before 40 wins and then make a trade at the deadline that makes them "Elite"?

RadiantShot
03-18-2010, 03:39 PM
I disagree.

kblo247
03-18-2010, 03:53 PM
I'd disagree but Phil has some weird tell, tell signs for him personally

- You win 40 before you lose 20
- You win game 1 of a series
- You win 60 games in a year

That is just the formula and standards he sets for himself and his team, and he has 10 rings and 12 finals appearance to prove it works

MTone8788
03-18-2010, 03:59 PM
I'd disagree but Phil has some weird tell, tell signs for him personally

- You win 40 before you lose 20
- You win game 1 of a series
- You win 60 games in a year

That is just the formula and standards he sets for himself and his team, and he has 10 rings and 12 finals appearance to prove it works

Sixers won that game 1 before... and we all know how that turned out. :( Kobe and Shaq were amazing though.

kblo247
03-18-2010, 04:03 PM
Sixers won that game 1 before... and we all know how that turned out. :( Kobe and Shaq were amazing though.

poor guy :p

MTone8788
03-18-2010, 04:07 PM
poor guy :p

Not nice. Haha



but anyways, yeah Phils comments are pretty good standards for an elite team, but when it comes down to it, all that really matters is who wins the championship.

Hawkeye15
03-18-2010, 04:09 PM
but that doesnt factor in home/away games. I like George Karl's way better. The team with the biggest positive gap in Road wins vs Home losses, and point differential, is the best team. Cause if a team plays 36 home games in their first 60 games, and wins 40, they probably arent as good as a team that plays 36 away games in their first 60, and has 40 wins.

Corey
03-18-2010, 04:13 PM
I don't think it really matters, but it shows consistency.

Anything can happen through the course of a season, though. A team could face chemistry issues, injuries or just a bad streak, and still gain momentum going into the playoffs and make a deep run.

When the playoffs roll around, being dominant in the regular season doesn't matter anymore. Look at the Hawks and Celtics in '08. The Celtics were the best team that season, and Atlanta clicked at the right time and took them to 7 games. Atlanta was by no means an 'elite team' (especially by Jackson's standards) but still took the best team record wise to a game 7.

Hawkeye15
03-18-2010, 04:16 PM
I don't think it really matters, but it shows consistency.

Anything can happen through the course of a season, though. A team could face chemistry issues, injuries or just a bad streak, and still gain momentum going into the playoffs and make a deep run.

When the playoffs roll around, being dominant in the regular season doesn't matter anymore. Look at the Hawks and Celtics in '08. The Celtics were the best team that season, and Atlanta clicked at the right time and took them to 7 games. Atlanta was by no means an 'elite team' (especially by Jackson's standards) but still took the best team record wise to a game 7.

no, the Hawks were a matchup nightmare for the Celtics. The C's were a great TEAM defense, but individually, they had some slow players. The Hawks were all athletes that used individual matchup problems. Once the Celtics got thru them, no other team had that athletic ability
The Heat championship team is a good example of what you are talking about though

J-Relo
03-18-2010, 04:55 PM
This applies if there was no sudden change in the team (no blockbuster trades and smth like that). Also any team which has 40 and 20 (-+5) is a great team.