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JordansBulls
03-16-2010, 07:10 PM
Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqDUjRMOyJeFtrlkImjeH0q8vLYF?slug=mc-royblazers031610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)



Roy, too, has the versatility to rank among the league’s top scorers. What’s stopping him? Maybe he’s too nice. Bryant remembers a game when Roy apologized to his teammates for shooting too much even though he was hot.

“I can flip the switch and go from scorer to playmaker,” Bryant said. “I’m sure he can flip the switch to go from playmaker to scorer. He has all of the skills to do it.

“He and I were talking over All-Star break, and I told him I don’t know of any player outside of myself that has no weaknesses besides him. If you think about it, he can go left and pull up and shoot. He can go right and pull up and shoot. He can fade left shoulder, he can fade right shoulder. He can shoot the long ball. He can finish at the rim. He can shoot free throws. He has no weaknesses in his offensive game; so if that’s something he wants to do, he can easily do it.

Jays Claw
03-16-2010, 07:10 PM
This is very true.

MTone8788
03-16-2010, 07:12 PM
It seems like a lot of players in the NBA have a lot of respect for Brandon Roy's game, and why not? He is a great player. Even one of the greatest himself is praising him.

MTone8788
03-16-2010, 07:12 PM
And who wants to bet that this turns into a "well why didn't kobe mention lebron" type of argument thread? :-p

Jays Claw
03-16-2010, 07:13 PM
The Raptors could have had Brandon Roy. :sigh:

showtym24
03-16-2010, 07:14 PM
I agree, but i'd add melo in there too.

Duncan = Donkey
03-16-2010, 07:15 PM
WOW, Kobe isnt modest at all.

bigsams50
03-16-2010, 07:18 PM
The Raptors could have had Brandon Roy. :sigh:

So could of we :sigh: It sucks missing out on great players. Instead of Roy we got Adam Morrison :mad:

shep33
03-16-2010, 07:18 PM
I agree, the best offensive players in the league scoring wise

Kobe, Durant, Roy, Melo

LBJ is great, one of the best passers in the league, and arguably the best player, but the guys listed above can score in so many ways, just a bit more versatile than James at this point in his career.

td0tsfinest
03-16-2010, 07:20 PM
Can't argue with that, however I don't think Roy will become a prolific scorer but he really doesn't have to be. Portland has done such a great job building around him.

yojoe792
03-16-2010, 07:20 PM
Kinda cocky, but its true. He's got post moves, mid-game, can shoot the three.

FlakeyFool
03-16-2010, 07:23 PM
I love his game in the final minutes of games

ManRam
03-16-2010, 07:26 PM
And who wants to bet that this turns into a "well why didn't kobe mention lebron" type of argument thread? :-p

I think that's a good question actually. ;)

SwaggaIke
03-16-2010, 07:34 PM
That's exactly why he got slowed in the fourth quarter by the Golden State Warriors. His offensive weakness is that his motor runs low. He's hit some clutch balls and had some brilliant 4th quarters, but he's not a killer. Kobe and Wade are still the coldest players in the league w/o question.

KmB728
03-16-2010, 07:35 PM
Glad to see Kobe is modest :clap:

Evolution23
03-16-2010, 07:37 PM
I've been saying this for the longest time... Brandon Roy is a beast that gets no recognition because hes so unselfish. But I dont look at that as a problem because he always makes the right play, whether its a pass to the open teamate, or the drive to the basket.

dtmagnet
03-16-2010, 07:39 PM
I picked this man for fantasy ball for a reason, too bad he got hurt though.

magichatnumber9
03-16-2010, 07:40 PM
Kobe has a man crush on Roy.

IAmKira
03-16-2010, 07:43 PM
Kobe has a man crush on Roy.

more like skill crush on himself

avrpatsfan
03-16-2010, 07:43 PM
Kobe is so modest!

Bishnoff
03-16-2010, 07:44 PM
I love his game in the final minutes of games

Same. In the 4th quarter he just takes over.

WITZ
03-16-2010, 07:45 PM
Ego much :facepalm:

D1JM
03-16-2010, 07:51 PM
i think pierce will have something to say about this

MTone8788
03-16-2010, 07:51 PM
That's exactly why he got slowed in the fourth quarter by the Golden State Warriors. His offensive weakness is that his motor runs low. He's hit some clutch balls and had some brilliant 4th quarters, but he's not a killer. Kobe and Wade are still the coldest players in the league w/o question.

That's weird! I thought Wade was on the Heat...


Umm anyways

Isn't one of Kobe's weaknesses that his style of play sometimes takes away from the offensive skills of his teammates?

MattColby
03-16-2010, 07:52 PM
B.Roy is the man. He's an amazing ball player.

Indi23
03-16-2010, 07:59 PM
It was really big of Kobe to say that. Roy is definitely a player I fear and will for the rest of his career(unless he is in a suns uniform lol) Once his mentality is set to wanting to be the best scorer he is nearly unstoppable.

BkOriginalOne
03-16-2010, 08:05 PM
Roy would in the MVP race if he took on the scoring load more. (And of course, they won 60 plus games)

I think Kobe is also forgetting Melo, what's his weakness?

Indi23
03-16-2010, 08:07 PM
That's weird! I thought Wade was on the Heat...


Umm anyways

Isn't one of Kobe's weaknesses that his style of play sometimes takes away from the offensive skills of his teammates?

Kobe's weakness is not that he takes away opportunities from his team mates, its more after the rest of Laker team has shot a bad percentage with Kobe shooting less than 20 FGs and the lakers losing which leads him to shoot more It is not because he does not trust his fellow teammates but more he burdens himself with the leadership role and his mindset sometimes shifts from getting his team involved right away to setting the tone of the game himself which makes him the best player in the world. <---- (Opinion)

RadiantShot
03-16-2010, 08:08 PM
Roy is overlooked by a mile. I hate that.

JayW_1023
03-16-2010, 08:10 PM
I agree, the best offensive players in the league scoring wise

Kobe, Durant, Roy, Melo

LBJ is great, one of the best passers in the league, and arguably the best player, but the guys listed above can score in so many ways, just a bit more versatile than James at this point in his career.

Manu can still do those things too, to a lesser extent. In his prime, he was right there with those guys.

As for Roy, I love his game. Here's a guy who rather gets 20 points and 10 assists than 30 points and 5 assists.

jim51990
03-16-2010, 08:21 PM
"and lebron is better then both of us" should have been the rest of the quote

IAmKira
03-16-2010, 08:23 PM
i think pierce will have something to say about this

something in the line of "ROY!? Hell no! Im the best Offensive player in the League/Of all time/In the World!" :rolleyes:

tredigs
03-16-2010, 08:33 PM
Somebody should tell Kobe that he's shooting 31% from behind the arc.

IAmKira
03-16-2010, 08:34 PM
Somebody should tell Kobe that he's shooting 31% from behind the arc.

somebody should tell u # dont mean **** when it comes to champion BBALL! OMG LEBRON IS BETTER CUZ HIS # IS BETTER! Does he have a ring?! :facepalm:

tredigs
03-16-2010, 08:38 PM
somebody should tell u # dont mean **** when it comes to champion BBALL! OMG LEBRON IS BETTER CUZ HIS # IS BETTER! Does he have a ring?! :facepalm:

Ahah ^ Chill out you friggin' weirdo. Did I even mention Lebron?

Not to mention how ******** that statement is to begin with. Christ, some of you are seriously sycophants.

Vinny642
03-16-2010, 08:43 PM
I dont watch Roy that much but when I do I do not see anything to special. What is he extremely good at?

Twinsfan24
03-16-2010, 08:44 PM
The Raptors could have had Brandon Roy. :sigh:

If it makes you feel better, we drafted him traded him for Foye and now have traded away randy foye.:facepalm:

ElMarroAfamado
03-16-2010, 08:46 PM
I agree, the best offensive players in the league scoring wise

Kobe, Durant, Roy, Melo

LBJ is great, one of the best passers in the league, and arguably the best player, but the guys listed above can score in so many ways, just a bit more versatile than James at this point in his career.

:clap:
agree.

IAmKira
03-16-2010, 08:51 PM
Ahah ^ Chill out you friggin' weirdo. Did I even mention Lebron?

Not to mention how ******** that statement is to begin with. Christ, some of you are seriously sycophants.

im chilled MOFO. Just trying to make a point u god dam stats loving hore :D

samxeyeam
03-16-2010, 08:55 PM
I agree with kobe's statement... I agree with that post with carmelo being up there too but carmelo needs to work on his post game abit more... He has one but if they constantly post him up on a iso on either side, its gonna get scary. If they put a smaller guy on him, he can post and if they put a bigger guy on him, take him off the dribble. I dont think Kevin Durant is up there yet with the kobe, carmelo, roy category but he does take smart shots and doesnt force shots as much as the rest of the scorers in the NBA which is a huge plus.

RadiantShot
03-16-2010, 08:57 PM
Kobe's a smart cook.

JabberJaw
03-16-2010, 08:59 PM
Glad to see Kobe is modest :clap:

Just like Paul Pierce claiming to be the best player in the league...hahahahaha! Modest or not, Kobe has no weakness on offense. If he were saying something crazy, like Pierce did, then he'd be laughed at for being big headed. But he's correct. Also, Roy does have one of the versitile offensive games. He does everything well. The one reason you can't really put Melo or Durant in there is because they don't really make plays for others, yet. I'd say you could probably put Wade in there.

Bashna
03-16-2010, 09:09 PM
"and lebron is better then both of us" should have been the rest of the quote



this

I consider Melo, Durant, and Lebron better than roy and kobe in terms of offensive abilities.

MTone8788
03-16-2010, 09:25 PM
Distributing the ball is an offensive strength... there's more to the game than just ways to shoot it.

ldc62
03-16-2010, 09:40 PM
Roy is a beast.

kArSoN RyDaH
03-16-2010, 09:40 PM
if kobe says it i believe it. not very often the black mamba praises one of his fellow competitors.

_KB24_
03-16-2010, 09:56 PM
GTFO Lebron nuthuggers, only Top 5 Offensive Players allowed! :D

Jays Claw
03-16-2010, 10:17 PM
^ Are you saying LeBron James isn't a top five offensive player? :facepalm:

NotAnotherYear
03-16-2010, 10:42 PM
somebody should tell u # dont mean **** when it comes to champion BBALL! OMG LEBRON IS BETTER CUZ HIS # IS BETTER! Does he have a ring?! :facepalm:

Put Lebron on the Lakers, and Kobe on the Cavs= Laker Dynasty & Cavs tryin to get in the playoffs...Just sayin.

Raph12
03-16-2010, 10:46 PM
Well I think Melo could fit the bill, but both Kobe and Roy are better passers, so yeah I agree with Kobe.

Btw Lebron doesn't shoot the ball well and Durant is a turnover-machine just for the sake of arguement.

Bashna
03-16-2010, 10:49 PM
Well I think Melo could fit the bill, but both Kobe and Roy are better passers, so yeah I agree with Kobe.

Btw Lebron doesn't shoot the ball well and Durant is a turnover-machine just for the sake of arguement.

Lebron has better shooting % except ft % than kobe. For the sake of the argument, of course.

NotAnotherYear
03-16-2010, 10:50 PM
Well I think Melo could fit the bill, but both Kobe and Roy are better passers, so yeah I agree with Kobe.

Btw Lebron doesn't shoot the ball well and Durant is a turnover-machine just for the sake of arguement.


Lebrons FG% and 3P% are better than Kobes.

NotAnotherYear
03-16-2010, 10:51 PM
Lebron has better shooting % except ft % than kobe. For the sake of the argument, of course.

hahah you read my mind

RaysFan
03-16-2010, 11:01 PM
Brandon Roy is a very good player but he isn't underrated. He isn't on the same level as Wade/Kobe and he certainly isn't on the same level as LeBron.

LeBron

Kobe
Wade
Anthony
Durant

Roy

I think that is where Roy ranks right now.

DamnGoat
03-16-2010, 11:06 PM
The Raptors could have had Brandon Roy. :sigh:
The Bulls could have had Brandon Roy...or LaMarcus Aldridge, but took Tyrus Thomas instead...:facepalm:

One of the worst Bulls drafts in recent memory.

Raph12
03-16-2010, 11:10 PM
Lebron has better shooting % except ft % than kobe. For the sake of the argument, of course.

Lebrons FG% and 3P% are better than Kobes.

Yeah np guys, but I just want you to take a look at this:

Kobe: (http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe Bryant)
10-15: 2.1M 4.3A 50.0%
15-23: 2.5M 6.0A 43.0%
23+: 1.3M 4.1A 31.2%
Total: 5.9M 14.4A 41.0%

Lebron: (http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron James)
10-15: 0.4M 1.2A 32.1%
15-23: 2.1M 5.3A 39.0%
23+: 1.8M 5.3A 34.5%
Total: 4.3M 11.8A 36.4%

The only place Lebron shoots better than Kobe, is from beyond the arc and even from there, Kobe's 3pt% for the last 4 years have been higher. And keep in mind, this is a bad year for Kobe, he's been struggling with injuries all year and has a mini-cast on his shooting index finger, yet he still shoots it better than Lebron.

kobelaughsatall
03-16-2010, 11:10 PM
Lebrons FG% and 3P% are better than Kobes.

of course he does when all of his shots are dunks and layups.

NotAnotherYear
03-16-2010, 11:13 PM
of course he does when all of his shots are dunks and layups.

Its not his fault hes that good that no one can stop him.

NotAnotherYear
03-16-2010, 11:14 PM
Yeah np guys, but I just want you to take a look at this:

Kobe: (http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe Bryant)
10-15: 2.1M 4.3A 50.0%
15-23: 2.5M 6.0A 43.0%
23+: 1.3M 4.1A 31.2%
Total: 5.9M 14.4A 41.0%

Lebron: (http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron James)
10-15: 0.4M 1.2A 32.1%
15-23: 2.1M 5.3A 39.0%
23+: 1.8M 5.3A 34.5%
Total: 4.3M 11.8A 36.4%

The only place Lebron shoots better than Kobe, is from beyond the arc and even from there, Kobe's 3pt% for the last 4 years have been higher. And keep in mind, this is a bad year for Kobe, he's been struggling with injuries all year and has a mini-cast on his shooting index finger, yet he still shoots it better than Lebron.

Career or Season stats?

_KB24_
03-16-2010, 11:22 PM
^ Are you saying LeBron James isn't a top five offensive player? :facepalm:

Whats so hard to grasp?

Kobe
Melo
Wade
Durant
Roy

All are better offensive players.

Duncan = Donkey
03-16-2010, 11:23 PM
never rated roy, good player yes but nothing special.

Raph12
03-16-2010, 11:26 PM
Career or Season stats?

Season, don't get me started on career numbers... This is supposed to be Lebron's best shooting year lol.

NotAnotherYear
03-16-2010, 11:26 PM
Whats so hard to grasp?

Kobe
Melo
Wade
Durant
Roy

All are better offensive players.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: awful post.

TheKing23
03-16-2010, 11:30 PM
Whats so hard to grasp?

Kobe
Melo
Wade
Durant
Roy

All are better offensive players.

If ever a post has had me close to blocking someone, this is it... Ignorance at it's finest.

A post truly deserving of the overused :facepalm:

NotAnotherYear
03-16-2010, 11:32 PM
If ever a post has had me close to blocking someone, this is it... Ignorance at it's finest.

A post truly deserving of the overused :facepalm:

i feel you man

dodie53
03-16-2010, 11:33 PM
when is Roy going to be a free agent?

conway429
03-16-2010, 11:55 PM
And who wants to bet that this turns into a "well why didn't kobe mention lebron" type of argument thread? :-p

And it did... haha...

Roy > Kobe :hide:

cwilson21
03-17-2010, 12:06 AM
Damn McHale.

cowboyz180
03-17-2010, 12:26 AM
So could of we :sigh: It sucks missing out on great players. Instead of Roy we got Adam Morrison :mad:

:laugh:

_KB24_
03-17-2010, 12:41 AM
If ever a post has had me close to blocking someone, this is it... Ignorance at it's finest.

A post truly deserving of the overused :facepalm:

Can you tell me who Lebron is better than purely on the OFFENSIVE SIDE than the 5 I listed above? Should be interesting to hear.

Chronz
03-17-2010, 12:48 AM
Can you tell me who Lebron is better than purely on the OFFENSIVE SIDE than the 5 I listed above? Should be interesting to hear.

pretty much all of them

Eagles4Lyfe
03-17-2010, 12:52 AM
I agree, the best offensive players in the league scoring wise

Kobe, Durant, Roy, Melo

LBJ is great, one of the best passers in the league, and arguably the best player, but the guys listed above can score in so many ways, just a bit more versatile than James at this point in his career.

add dwayne wade to that u cant stop his drives and his jumpers have gotten better since hes come into the league

RaysFan
03-17-2010, 01:00 AM
Can you tell me who Lebron is better than purely on the OFFENSIVE SIDE than the 5 I listed above? Should be interesting to hear.

All of them and it isn't close. LeBron averages more points than all of them and he is more efficient at getting those points. He is also a MUCH better passer and playmaker than Roy/Kobe/Melo/Durant.

LeBron is easily the best offensive player in the NBA. He is the best scorer in the league (I think he leads the NBA in scoring and he is shooting over 50% from the field) and by far the best combination of a passer/scorer the game has seen in a long time.

Cavs_Fan24
03-17-2010, 01:02 AM
That from Kobe really means something. Brandon Roy is a great offensive player and is pretty underrated, but even though Kobe said he has no weaknesses, I won't even put him up there with Kobe yet.

ko8e24
03-17-2010, 01:15 AM
Somebody should tell Kobe that he's shooting 31% from behind the arc.

I'd be lucky to shoot double digit percentages from beyond the arc with just 3 fingers

GspLAL
03-17-2010, 02:17 AM
Put Lebron on the Lakers, and Kobe on the Cavs= Laker Dynasty & Cavs tryin to get in the playoffs...Just sayin.

dont think you should be saying anything else :D

Meth
03-17-2010, 02:20 AM
Kobe vs Lebron again?

..

bluefire7002
03-17-2010, 05:06 AM
Put Lebron on the Lakers, and Kobe on the Cavs= Laker Dynasty & Cavs tryin to get in the playoffs...Just sayin.

LOL yea... Kobe playing along Jamison, Mo, Shaq and their bench (WHICH is better than the Lakers other than LO) would have trouble getting into the playoffs fighting for those 7th and 8th spots against Toronto, Miami and Chicago :rolleyes:

ryder78c
03-17-2010, 05:55 AM
DAMN RIGHT KOBE WONDER BOY ROY IS THE NEXT KB

HONESTLY i THINK LEBRON IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE! Kobe would of never got his first 3 rings without Superman Shaq But Kobe And Lebron Are i Say the two best players but lebrons above him with his blocking passing scoring skills... Durant is the only scorer besides westbrook who's not very consistent Thunder team Moto "If you have the ball what do you do.....Pass To Durant!"



Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Roy/CP3
Durant

J-Relo
03-17-2010, 08:15 AM
God has no weaknesses.

JasonJohnHorn
03-17-2010, 08:20 AM
Glad to see Kobe is modest :clap:

This was my immediate thought. Its nice to see Kobe give some props to another player, but it seemed like an opprotunity to pat himself on the back. Lets face it, every player has offensive weakness. Firstly, offence isn't just about the individual putting the ball in the basket. It is about being able to move with or without the ball, passing, shooting inside outside, with your back to the basket, facing up, off the ball, off a screen mid-range, inside the arc outside the arc. And NOBODY is flawless or without weakness. Kobe isn't as good a post player as say Jordan was, his assist-to-turnover ratio is jaw-dropping, and his long range shooting is nothing to write home about (not to mention his sometimes questionable shot selection- his FG% would be over .500 is he didn't forces shots in certain situations). I'm not trying to knock Kobe, from where I'm sitting there is only one player on the planet who one could argue is better than Kobe, but to say that their offensive game has no weakness? I can't think of a player in the league who could honestly say that. As amazing as Kobe is, this statement is pure arrogance as much as it is inaccurate.

But yeah, Roy is awesome.

Raph12
03-17-2010, 09:52 AM
Put Lebron on the Lakers, and Kobe on the Cavs= Laker Dynasty & Cavs tryin to get in the playoffs...Just sayin.

And with this statement, you just lost any credibility you had.

Kobe, Shaq, Jamison, Mo and their deep, like Jenna Jameson's ***** deep, bench, would take out any team in the East not named Orlando Magic. When Lebron loses to Dwight in the ECFs again, then all of you can jump back onto the ""Kobe is the best player" bandwagon again... Don't worry, I won't tell anyone.

TheKing23
03-17-2010, 10:26 AM
And with this statement, you just lost any credibility you had.

Kobe, Shaq, Jamison, Mo and their deep, like Jenna Jameson's ***** deep, bench, would take out any team in the East not named Orlando Magic. When Lebron loses to Dwight in the ECFs again, then all of you can jump back onto the ""Kobe is the best player" bandwagon again... Don't worry, I won't tell anyone.

Keep dreaming...

NotAnotherYear
03-17-2010, 10:43 AM
LOL yea... Kobe playing along Jamison, Mo, Shaq and their bench (WHICH is better than the Lakers other than LO) would have trouble getting into the playoffs fighting for those 7th and 8th spots against Toronto, Miami and Chicago :rolleyes:

Yea maybe i exaggerated but...A fat old Shaq, Mo only
as good as he his because of Bron getting to the hoop,pretty much there is not a bonified superstar next to him Kobe doesn't win...Hes good but if you put LeBron on that Laker team records would be set.

The Ooh Child
03-17-2010, 10:48 AM
homerzzzzz

Da Knicks
03-17-2010, 10:56 AM
Is Kobe throwing a jab at Melo and Bron? lol Melo and Bron score at will on Kobe funny stuff "BIG EGO ANYONE"?

NotAnotherYear
03-17-2010, 11:00 AM
Is Kobe throwing a jab at Melo and Bron? lol Melo and Bron score at will on Kobe funny stuff "BIG EGO ANYONE"?

lol love the sig man 2010 baby

sep11ie
03-17-2010, 11:03 AM
Kobe: I'm kinda a big deal, people know me, my apartment smells of rich mahagony.

Roy: Cool man

Kobe: I wanna be on you, I wanna be ON you

G-Funk
03-17-2010, 11:04 AM
Kobe vs Lebron again?

..

blame it on kobe haters and lebronites for bringing Lebron into this topic.

G-Funk
03-17-2010, 11:04 AM
Kobe has a way bigger arsenal then Lebron

sep11ie
03-17-2010, 11:06 AM
God has no weaknesses.

His son was kinda a wuss.

da wood
03-17-2010, 11:12 AM
I think that's a good question actually. ;)

because labron has holes in his game right now. a few of them too.

JordansBulls
03-17-2010, 12:14 PM
His son was kinda a wuss.

:pity::pity:

Uncalled for man and totally inaccurate.

MJ-BULLS
03-17-2010, 12:16 PM
Brandon Roy is a straight up Baller.

That's why they call him the natural.

TheKing23
03-17-2010, 01:21 PM
blame it on kobe haters and lebronites for bringing Lebron into this topic.


Kobe has a way bigger arsenal then Lebron

Contradiction at it's finest...

ko8e24
03-17-2010, 02:03 PM
Keep dreaming...

Would not be surprised if it happens again.

Ansy
03-17-2010, 02:10 PM
Is Kobe throwing a jab at Melo and Bron? lol Melo and Bron score at will on Kobe funny stuff "BIG EGO ANYONE"?

I don't think he meant it like that. LeBron is a better scorer than Roy or Kobe, but he has weaknesses. Shaq was the most dominant scorer in the entire game for years, but he had offensive weaknesses.

Kobe just means that Roy gets the absolute most out of his physical ability by mastering every aspect of offense to the best ability his body will let him. Kobe's the only other player in the NBA you can say that about.

He definitely doesn't mean Roy's better on offense than LeBron.

ko8e24
03-17-2010, 02:16 PM
i don't think he meant it like that. Lebron is a better scorer than roy or kobe, but he has weaknesses. Shaq was the most dominant scorer in the entire game for years, but he had offensive weaknesses.

Kobe just means that roy gets the absolute most out of his physical ability by mastering every aspect of offense to the best ability his body will let him. Kobe's the only other player in the nba you can say that about.

He definitely doesn't mean roy's better on offense than lebron.

this

Raph12
03-17-2010, 02:24 PM
Keep dreaming...

I will, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Everybody has dreams when they go to sleep... Btw where were you when Lebron ran off the court in a huff when Dwight whooped his *** last season? Oh that's right, nowhere to be seen, just like Lebron. The Cavs went out to find a Dwight-stopper, but unfortunately for them, it doesn't exist, so they had to settle for Shaq fatty

The fact that Dwight turns Lebron into a non-efficient player when he's on the court must be pretty hard to swallow for your pride huh?... Lebron goes from 35.4ppg-7.4apg-2.6tpg on 49FG% with a +11.6 (+/-), to 27.3ppg-6.9apg-3.6tpg on 47FG% with a -4.4 (+/-), so with Dwight on the floor, Lebron actually hurts his team more than helping them. Dwight also affects his shot selection and his whole team's play when he's on the court.
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/john_schuhmann/02/25/numbers.game/index.html

Face it, Dwight's the ultimate Lebron-stopper.

TheKing23
03-17-2010, 03:22 PM
I will, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Everybody has dreams when they go to sleep... Btw where were you when Lebron ran off the court in a huff when Dwight whooped his *** last season? Oh that's right, nowhere to be seen, just like Lebron. The Cavs went out to find a Dwight-stopper, but unfortunately for them, it doesn't exist, so they had to settle for Shaq fatty

The fact that Dwight turns Lebron into a non-efficient player when he's on the court must be pretty hard to swallow for your pride huh?... Lebron goes from 35.4ppg-7.4apg-2.6tpg on 49FG% with a +11.6 (+/-), to 27.3ppg-6.9apg-3.6tpg on 47FG% with a -4.4 (+/-), so with Dwight on the floor, Lebron actually hurts his team more than helping them. Dwight also affects his shot selection and his whole team's play when he's on the court.
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/john_schuhmann/02/25/numbers.game/index.html

Face it, Dwight's the ultimate Lebron-stopper.

Shaq fatty has done a pretty good job on him this season: 17.3 ppg, 11.3 rpg is a lot better than 25.3 ppg, 13 rpg on 65% shooting in the ECF's. Of course no-one can stop Dwight but if anyone can limit him it's Shaq. If we meet in the ECF's again Dwight will not have free reign down low, Shaq will get him in foul trouble and limit him, so face it... A fat 38 year old, will limit your star 24 year old.

As for Dwight being the ultimate LeBron stopper... Your numbers look pretty but if you want any LeBron numbers that mean anything just look at the more recent ECF's:

38.5 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 8 apg on 48.7% shooting... Dwight's a real LeBron stopper, isn't he... :rolleyes:

If you wanna get even more relevant, recent stats, take a look at our three encounters this season... LeBron's averaged 33.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 7.7 apg on 50.7% shooting. So your argument is pretty weak, in no shape or form does Dwight stop LeBron, he's not even close to limiting him as LeBron averages more than his season averages against him. Furthermore, your argument isn't really valid as it's not Dwight's sole job to stop LeBron. Credit Barnes or Pietrus if he has a bad game against the Magic, not Dwight.

Face it, LeBron can't be stopped and no one on your team has even come close to stopping him. We have added a fatty that has already shown evidence of causing Dwight trouble... The landscape between our teams have changed a huge amount between the ECF's and now. As i've said numerous times before, the ECF's weren't won or lost by LeBron or Dwight... It was the role players that made the difference. No one stepped up for the Cavs and Hedo and Rashard created mismatch problems we just couldn't deal with. Since then Hedo has been replaced by Vince (goodbye matchup problems) and the Cavs have added Shaq (I don't care if he's 38, he'll bring it in the playoffs) and Jamison (another great playoff performer)... So don't be too hasty with your predictions of Eastern conference victory.

Raph12
03-17-2010, 03:58 PM
Shaq fatty has done a pretty good job on him this season: 17.3 ppg, 11.3 rpg is a lot better than 25.3 ppg, 13 rpg on 65% shooting in the ECF's. Of course no-one can stop Dwight but if anyone can limit him it's Shaq. If we meet in the ECF's again Dwight will not have free reign down low, Shaq will get him in foul trouble and limit him, so face it... A fat 38 year old, will limit your star 24 year old.

As for Dwight being the ultimate LeBron stopper... Your numbers look pretty but if you want any LeBron numbers that mean anything just look at the more recent ECF's:

38.5 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 8 apg on 48.7% shooting... Dwight's a real LeBron stopper, isn't he... :rolleyes:

If you wanna get even more relevant, recent stats, take a look at our three encounters this season... LeBron's averaged 33.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 7.7 apg on 50.7% shooting. So your argument is pretty weak, in no shape or form does Dwight stop LeBron, he's not even close to limiting him as LeBron averages more than his season averages against him. Furthermore, your argument isn't really valid as it's not Dwight's sole job to stop LeBron. Credit Barnes or Pietrus if he has a bad game against the Magic, not Dwight.

Face it, LeBron can't be stopped and no one on your team has even come close to stopping him. We have added a fatty that has already shown evidence of causing Dwight trouble... The landscape between our teams have changed a huge amount between the ECF's and now. As i've said numerous times before, the ECF's weren't won or lost by LeBron or Dwight... It was the role players that made the difference. No one stepped up for the Cavs and Hedo and Rashard created mismatch problems we just couldn't deal with. Since then Hedo has been replaced by Vince (goodbye matchup problems) and the Cavs have added Shaq (I don't care if he's 38, he'll bring it in the playoffs) and Jamison (another great playoff performer)... So don't be too hasty with your predictions of Eastern conference victory.

Dwight still needed to be doubled by Shaq in that 3rd game, nuff said.

Your stats don't take into account when Dwight was on the floor and when he was off the floor. With Dwight on the court, Lebron struggles, with him off, Lebron has a field day.

Let me put it this way, the first two games they played this season, Dwight was in foul trouble and played only 30mpg and Lebron avged 34ppg-8.5apg-3.5tpg on 54FG% with a +12.5. In the third game, Dwight played 43mins and Lebron scored 33pts-6asts-5tos on 48FG% with a -9.

Dwight's presence affects Lebron's game, period.

TheKing23
03-17-2010, 04:16 PM
Dwight still needed to be doubled by Shaq in that 3rd game, nuff said.

Your stats don't take into account when Dwight was on the floor and when he was off the floor. With Dwight on the court, Lebron struggles, with him off, Lebron has a field day.

Let me put it this way, the first two games they played this season, Dwight was in foul trouble and played only 30mpg and Lebron avged 34ppg-8.5apg-3.5tpg on 54FG% with a +12.5. In the third game, Dwight played 43mins and Lebron scored 33pts-6asts-5tos on 48FG% with a -9.

Dwight's presence affects Lebron's game, period.

Of course it does, Dwight's a beast. His presence affects everybody in the league...

To be honest though I don't care how LeBron plays when Dwight is on or off the court. Dwight averaged around 38 minutes a game in the ECF's and will probably average the same if we meet again... If LeBron puts up 38/8/8 with Dwight still playing 38 minutes his affects can't be that severe.

Unless you're just a Dwight fanboy, then the pretty insignificant affect Dwight has on LeBron defensively shouldn't bother you... Your teams inability to stop LeBron should.

ko8e24
03-17-2010, 04:24 PM
In a thread about Brandon Roy and Kobe Bryant.....

why do I see names of guys like Dwight Howard, Shaquille O'Neal, and LeBron James.


Stay on topic!

TheKing23
03-17-2010, 04:43 PM
In a thread about Brandon Roy and Kobe Bryant.....

why do I see names of guys like Dwight Howard, Shaquille O'Neal, and LeBron James.


Stay on topic!

Sorry, I forgot you were a mod...

Raph12
03-17-2010, 04:51 PM
Of course it does, Dwight's a beast. His presence affects everybody in the league...

To be honest though I don't care how LeBron plays when Dwight is on or off the court. Dwight averaged around 38 minutes a game in the ECF's and will probably average the same if we meet again... If LeBron puts up 38/8/8 with Dwight still playing 38 minutes his affects can't be that severe.

Unless you're just a Dwight fanboy, then the pretty insignificant affect Dwight has on LeBron defensively shouldn't bother you... Your teams inability to stop LeBron should.

No one can effectively stop Lebron, but Dwight's presence turns Lebron into more of a jumpshooter. He can always get his stats and FTs are a HUGE part of how he scores his points, but Dwight's effect on his game is unrivalled and will be important in the ECFs again this season. Even if Shaq returns in time he'll be a step slower, which is really saying something for Shaq, and that will hurt their chances of slowing Dwight down.

Either way, it should be a great series and I look forward to it, I just didn't like how you said the thought of Orlando winning, would only be possible in people's dreams. It's very possible and if you're taking them lightly, you'll be in for a rude awakening.

RaiderLakersA's
03-17-2010, 04:52 PM
In a thread about Brandon Roy and Kobe Bryant.....

why do I see names of guys like Dwight Howard, Shaquille O'Neal, and LeBron James.


Stay on topic!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

TheKing23
03-17-2010, 05:06 PM
No one can effectively stop Lebron, but Dwight's presence turns Lebron into more of a jumpshooter. He can always get his stats and FTs are a HUGE part of how he scores his points, but Dwight's effect on his game is unrivalled and will be important in the ECFs again this season. Even if Shaq returns in time he'll be a step slower, which is really saying something for Shaq, and that will hurt their chances of slowing Dwight down.

Either way, it should be a great series and I look forward to it, I just didn't like how you said the thought of Orlando winning, would only be possible in people's dreams. It's very possible and if you're taking them lightly, you'll be in for a rude awakening.

If you read some of my posts, it's clear I do not take the Magic lightly. In my opinion they are the Cavs biggest rivals for a title. I look forward to an ECF's rematch and I feel whoever comes out of that will be eventual champions.

Raph12
03-17-2010, 05:15 PM
If you read some of my posts, it's clear I do not take the Magic lightly. In my opinion they are the Cavs biggest rivals for a title. I look forward to an ECF's rematch and I feel whoever comes out of that will be eventual champions.

Fair enough.

Good luck and let the best team win. :cheers:

footballer2369
03-17-2010, 05:20 PM
Magic fans :pity:

45%str8thuggin
03-17-2010, 06:15 PM
In my opinion Kobe's weakness is his FG%. While it is certainly respectable it is the one aspect that sets greater players apart from him.

kArSoN RyDaH
03-17-2010, 07:50 PM
leave it to the lebron dickkkk riders to bring lebron into a thread about kobe... hahahahahahahahahaha smh