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Swashcuff
03-14-2010, 03:25 PM
It could be a draft, signing, trade, head coaching decision, etc.

As a 76er fan I would say it has managements' failure to surround Allen Iverson (first tenor) with a legitimate second option while they were still in the prime of their career. Chris Webber, Glen Robinson, Keith Van Horn, Derrick Coleman, Matt Harpring, Larry Hughes. These were all guys who just were not in their prime any more or not good enough to be a second option on a quality team. At the time they all were not very good decisions if they were looking for someone to be a true second option to your then "franchise" player.

Iodine
03-14-2010, 03:29 PM
Allen Iverson didnt need scoring help when he was in his prime, if he had a PF with a game like modern day okur with his 2001 roster it would have been the perfect team for him

Also the spurs dont make bad decisions, Tiago Splitter does

mzgrizz
03-14-2010, 03:35 PM
Signing Thabeet as our #2 pick

Swashcuff
03-14-2010, 03:35 PM
Allen Iverson didnt need scoring help when he was in his prime, if he had a PF with a game like modern day okur with his 2001 roster it would have been the perfect team for him

Also the spurs dont make bad decisions, Tiago Splitter does

I think number 2 option may have been a stretch. I really don't mean just scorer i meant someone who can take the late game pressures off his back. As a sixer he always pressed to do everything humanly possible late in games but by himself it was not always enough. We saw him defer to Melo in Denver. He even tried with C.Webb. I think they just needed someone in their prime to work long term with him. Guys at the end was just 1-2 year rentals sort of. Van Horn never lived up to his expectations.

He could have been the big guy they are looking for beside Timmy now. Who knows?

bahama0811
03-14-2010, 03:39 PM
The Nuggets drafting Nikoloz Tskitishvili with the 5th overall pick.

randomness
03-14-2010, 03:44 PM
Drafting Rafael Araujo.

ldc62
03-14-2010, 03:45 PM
Drafting Rafael Araujo.

Hiring Rob Babcock.

HoopsDrive
03-14-2010, 03:46 PM
Rafael Araujo was such a failure.

Storch
03-14-2010, 03:46 PM
The mavs letting go of great pgs: kidd, nash, harris. in that order.

JNA17
03-14-2010, 03:48 PM
blazers drafting Sam Bowie and Greg Oden over Micheal Jordan and Kevin Durant

Iodine
03-14-2010, 03:49 PM
I think number 2 option may have been a stretch. I really don't mean just scorer i meant someone who can take the late game pressures off his back. As a sixer he always pressed to do everything humanly possible late in games but by himself it was not always enough. We saw him defer to Melo in Denver. He even tried with C.Webb. I think they just needed someone in their prime to work long term with him. Guys at the end was just 1-2 year rentals sort of. Van Horn never lived up to his expectations.

He could have been the big guy they are looking for beside Timmy now. Who knows?

oh so you mean someone in the mold of a Tom chambers? Yeah that would have been sexual

and splitter is a dick for saying how much he wanted to get drafted and then pulls a rubio

smuffins353
03-14-2010, 03:50 PM
trading for the 2nd round virgin Tracy McBaby aka Shemac aka Mclady

ThornMo
03-14-2010, 03:53 PM
Charlotte Hornets- Trading Kobe Bryant for Vlade Divac
Carolina Panthers- Signing Jake Delhomme to a 5 year 40 some million dollar deal after "what happened"

TheKing23
03-14-2010, 03:55 PM
Drafting LeBron James

abe_froman
03-14-2010, 03:59 PM
oh bulls were to begin...

-trading cliff ray for an(at that point) washed up nate thurmond.cliff goes on to help the warriors beat the bulls in the wcf that year
-taking artis gilmore over moses malone in the aba dispersal draft
-blowing up the dynasty team(coach included)
-trading elton brand for tyson chandler
-trading ron artest and brad miller for jalen rose
-trading alridge for tyrus thomas

TheKing23
03-14-2010, 04:01 PM
Seriously though the Cavs have ****ed up some of their draft picks in the last decade.

2001 - Taking DeSagana Diop with the 8th pick over Joe Johnson
2002 - Taking DaJuan Wagner with the 6th pick over Amar'e Stoudemire
2004 - Taking Luke Jackson with the 10th pick over Al Jefferson and Josh Smith

Three top 10 picks on two guys who are out of the league and a scrub in Diop.

X12Celtics3
03-14-2010, 04:01 PM
For the Celtics there are some obvious ones, such as trading Chauncy Billups and Joe Johnson and just about every player the Celtics drafted in the late 90's and early 00's busted. Honestly, I also wish that we hadn't traded Jefferson for Garnett. Sure, it wasn't a 'bad decision', because it resulted in a championship, but the Celtics would be a better team this year with Jefferson on the court.

asandhu23
03-14-2010, 04:02 PM
Traded Wilt Chamberlain for nobodies....

We could have drafted Kobe....KG... T-Mac..... Dirk Nowitzki.....Kirilenko.....Tony Parker.....Amare Stoudamire..... Caron Butler.....Boozer.....David West....Josh Smith..... Danny Granger....Rajon Rondo....

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/6/22/901354/golden-state-warriors-1st-round


Selling our team to Chris Cohan.... Chris Webber sent away.... Run TMC broken up.... We Believe team broken up....Gilbert Arenas traded away....

:sigh:

McKinnon91
03-14-2010, 04:02 PM
From the year 1990 on Boston Celtics...

Hiring M.L. Carr
Hiring Rick Pitino

Trading Chauncey Billups
Drafting Ron Mercer over Tracy Mcgrady

Hey Man
03-14-2010, 04:03 PM
trading C-webb.

Vinny642
03-14-2010, 04:05 PM
Trading Kobe- Im happy with it but we could've possibly had a ring or two, but he was a little baby when we drafted him and wanted out.

Overpaying old FAs(Peja, Mo Pete and Posey)

Our owner having a financial mindset rather than winning.

Iodine
03-14-2010, 04:08 PM
I will never get owning A sports team for financial reasons

Vinny642
03-14-2010, 04:10 PM
I will never get owning A sports team for financial reasons

Its annoying, but we are making the transition to a winning team now, since we got Paul. We would've never gotten Okafor if we didnt want to win, his contract was longer and more expensive than Chandler.

Bravo95
03-14-2010, 04:11 PM
-trading dominique wilkins for danny f'n manning :facepalm:
-not keeping jason terry
-believing jr rider was worth the time
-giving jon koncak/chris crawford those fat contracts
-those yellow/red/black jerseys they used to wear
-keeping the company man pete babcock as gm for all those years
-hiring billy knight as gm
-drafting sheldon williams 5th overall... wtf!
-drafting marvin williams 2nd overall over chris paul and deron williams :facepalm: :facepalm:
-changing from the old red and white pacman logo lol
...alright that's enough for now

Niro
03-14-2010, 04:13 PM
Traded Wilt Chamberlain for nobodies....

We could have drafted Kobe....KG... T-Mac..... Dirk Nowitzki.....Kirilenko.....Tony Parker.....Amare Stoudamire..... Caron Butler.....Boozer.....David West....Josh Smith..... Danny Granger....Rajon Rondo....

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/6/22/901354/golden-state-warriors-1st-round


Selling our team to Chris Cohan.... Chris Webber sent away.... Run TMC broken up.... We Believe team broken up....Gilbert Arenas traded away....

:sigh:


yeah pretty much everything our front office did that had a big impact on the team failed big time:cry:

ThuglifeJ
03-14-2010, 04:15 PM
Magic

-Keeping Jameer Nelson, ridding Alston
-Playing Jameer Nelson in the finals
-Darko Milicic

Iodine
03-14-2010, 04:18 PM
The magic didn't draft darko and Nelson is ******** on alston this year
so stop

nick61391
03-14-2010, 04:20 PM
Putting Isiah Thomas in charge

DerekRE_3
03-14-2010, 04:22 PM
Trading for Andres Nocioni.

Vinny642
03-14-2010, 04:25 PM
Trading for Andres Nocioni.

Your sig is a joke man, you should tell whoever made to fix Darren Collison's name.

asandhu23
03-14-2010, 04:29 PM
Your sig is a joke man, you should tell whoever made to fix Darren Collison's name.

indeed that sig is a joke. Stephen Curry is going to win ROY

Vinny642
03-14-2010, 04:30 PM
indeed that sig is a joke. Stephen Curry is going to win ROY

Curry was shut down by Collison lol that game was CRAZY offensively

DerekRE_3
03-14-2010, 04:31 PM
indeed that sig is a joke. Stephen Curry is going to win ROY

:laugh2:

Vinny642
03-14-2010, 04:32 PM
:laugh2:

LOL His comment was a joke, we all know that if Darren started the whole season he easily have won it :D

Iodine
03-14-2010, 04:33 PM
Traded Wilt Chamberlain for nobodies....
And your team was among the best less than 2 years later

really how uneducated are you?

Iodine
03-14-2010, 04:34 PM
Trading for Andres Nocioni.

I would say not killing every ref for yalls playoff games in the early 2000's

DerekRE_3
03-14-2010, 04:35 PM
LOL His comment was a joke, we all know that if Darren started the whole season he easily have won it :D

Yeah sure.

Jays101
03-14-2010, 04:36 PM
Hoffa!!

Vinny642
03-14-2010, 04:36 PM
Yeah sure.

Na I wil give Tyreke his, he has done great the whole year, only if the team would follow him.

asandhu23
03-14-2010, 04:37 PM
And your team was among the best less than 2 years later

really how uneducated are you?

dude...
1. uneducated? there is a basketball trivia education?
2. If we had kept him, we would have a lot more games. ITS WILT FREAKING CHAMBERLAIN we are talking about.

Giraffes Rule
03-14-2010, 04:40 PM
Spurs trading Scola away to an instate division rival looks pretty bad. Spurs never would have gotten him signed, but they didn't get anything for him. Unless that 2nd round pick they got and used on that French guard works out, but even then the Spurs need Scola now more than some guard later.

Iodine
03-14-2010, 04:42 PM
dude...
1. uneducated? there is a basketball trivia education?
2. If we had kept him, we would have a lot more games. ITS WILT FREAKING CHAMBERLAIN we are talking about.

1. Well if your going to post your opinion and not have any idea how it would have unfolded YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
2. AKA the coach killing, teammate hating, douchebag? Yeah no....... The warriors played a complete different style without him and rick barry, who is even bigger douchebag became the HOF player he is today

The warriors if they dont trade wilt stay in the 17-26 win range for 2 years

1-800-STFU
03-14-2010, 04:46 PM
dude...
1. uneducated? there is a basketball trivia education?
2. If we had kept him, we would have a lot more games. ITS WILT FREAKING CHAMBERLAIN we are talking about.

Non-issue

jmeeks42
03-14-2010, 04:54 PM
DARKO F'ING MILICIC...while we won the title the year we drafted him (though he had absolutely no impact, and i'm pretty sure the only time he played in the finals he broke his hand within 20 seconds), we are still feeling the effects. We could have built our team around Carmelo, Wade or Bosh....now we're trying to build around Rodney Stuckey, Ben Gordon and Charlie V. Terrible move by Dumars.

deuces
03-14-2010, 04:58 PM
raps- every draft pick except for vc, bosh, demar, and damon stoudamire

mrblisterdundee
03-14-2010, 05:44 PM
Portland Trailblazers:

1. Passing on Michael Jordan
2. Passing on Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Trading Moses Malone
4. Trading down from the Third to the Sixth Pick in the 2005 Draft
5. Trading Jermaine O'Neal

Swashcuff
03-14-2010, 05:54 PM
Portland Trailblazers:

1. Passing on Michael Jordan
2. Passing on Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Trading Moses Malone
4. Trading down from the Third to the Sixth Pick in the 2005 Draft
5. Trading Jermaine O'Neal

?????? What are you talking about?

Hellcrooner
03-14-2010, 06:03 PM
Not trading Kobe and Shaq after 2002 Finals as Phil says he suggested at that time.
They coudl ahve probably got Kg and pieces back for one of them and Nash and dirk for the other.

Hellcrooner
03-14-2010, 06:05 PM
?????? What are you talking about?

Blazers got offered the first pick in exchange for Houston Boy Clyde Drexler.

Had they accepted they woudl ahve had Both the first and second picks.

They would have gotten dream with the first and sicne there wouldnt have needed another center that second pick woudl ahve been......JORDAN or Maybe Barkley .

Mane
03-14-2010, 06:08 PM
Drafting Kwame Brown... Giving Arenas such a gigantic awful contract.

IRUAM #21
03-14-2010, 06:10 PM
Drafting Wayne Simien, Trading for Ricky Davis.

Swashcuff
03-14-2010, 06:15 PM
Not trading Kobe and Shaq after 2002 Finals as Phil says he suggested at that time.
They coudl ahve probably got Kg and pieces back for one of them and Nash and dirk for the other.

You obviously do these things to upset the PSD masses. Sigh!

ugadawgsfan17
03-14-2010, 07:43 PM
Hawks-Horrible draft picks for most of the early 2000s and last 90s and trading the one good one, Pau Gasol

thescore53
03-14-2010, 08:11 PM
lettiing mike james walk after averaging 20 ppg to start ford

thescore53
03-14-2010, 08:15 PM
giving triano a three year deal, drafting bargnani instead of roy,

siging hedo turkoglu, naming the team the raptors, trading vince carter for a pb and j sandwich, drafting tmac ugly mug, singing kapono,

thescore53
03-14-2010, 08:16 PM
Portland Trailblazers:

1. Passing on Michael Jordan
2. Passing on Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Trading Moses Malone
4. Trading down from the Third to the Sixth Pick in the 2005 Draft
5. Trading Jermaine O'Neal

passing on durant duh

Hellcrooner
03-14-2010, 08:23 PM
also generically every team that has ever accepted a NO TRADE clause in a players contract has been pretty StuPID.

TheWatcher34
03-14-2010, 08:42 PM
allowing Bird to grow old :D

Meth
03-14-2010, 08:52 PM
Putting Kwame Brown in the draft class.

bigmac8675
03-14-2010, 08:55 PM
Traded Wilt Chamberlain for nobodies....

We could have drafted Kobe....KG... T-Mac..... Dirk Nowitzki.....Kirilenko.....Tony Parker.....Amare Stoudamire..... Caron Butler.....Boozer.....David West....Josh Smith..... Danny Granger....Rajon Rondo....

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/6/22/901354/golden-state-warriors-1st-round


Selling our team to Chris Cohan.... Chris Webber sent away.... Run TMC broken up.... We Believe team broken up....Gilbert Arenas traded away....

:sigh:

I agree with everything you say... except Arenas was not traded, he left as a FA when his rookie contract ended and signed with Washington. Why do people keep thinking we traded him.:confused:

Also don't forget running Chris Mullin out of our front office, trading away Jamal Crawford for nothing, letting that trade exception expire, signing Murphy and Dunleavy to huge contracts, bringing back Chris Webber, and most recently not selling to Larry Ellison (although there is still hope).

bigsams50
03-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Drafting Adam Morrison Over BRoy
Drafting DJ Augustin over Brook Lopez

td0tsfinest
03-14-2010, 09:07 PM
Hiring Rob Babcock.

sounds about right.

td0tsfinest
03-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Drafting Adam Morrison Over BRoy
Drafting DJ Augustin over Brook Lopez

I can't believe Brook Lopez went so late in the Lottery. The dude is a stud.

RadiantShot
03-14-2010, 09:43 PM
Orlando Magic :

-Probably Letting Shaq go.
-Trading Tracy McGrady for Steve Francis and Co. :facepalm: We could've gotten someone so much more valuable.
-Drafting Fran Vasquez.
-Too lazy to think of more.

Hellcrooner
03-14-2010, 09:46 PM
Orlando Magic :

-Probably Letting Shaq go.
-Trading Tracy McGrady for Steve Francis and Co. :facepalm: We could've gotten someone so much more valuable.
-Drafting Fran Vasquez.
-Too lazy to think of more.
that can change substiantly this summer if you gm GRANTS him an starter position otherwise he will resing and stay in spain until he retires.

Iodine
03-14-2010, 09:48 PM
Orlando Magic :

-Probably Letting Shaq go.
-Trading Tracy McGrady for Steve Francis and Co. :facepalm: We could've gotten someone so much more valuable.
-Drafting Fran Vasquez.
-Too lazy to think of more.

In all honesty I doubt anyone thought Fran would have to big of an ego to come over here and *gasp* not start

Jamiecballer
03-14-2010, 09:53 PM
Hedo

TheKing23
03-14-2010, 10:02 PM
that can change substiantly this summer if you gm GRANTS him an starter position otherwise he will resing and stay in spain until he retires.

Why should he deserve to just start?

He should have to prove himself in the NBA first... The guy doesn't just have the rights to start on a contending team before playing a minute in the league.

If that's the only thing stopping him from coming over to the NBA, maybe he doesn't have the right attitude...

mser58
03-14-2010, 10:11 PM
a lot of mistakes in phi

Chacarron
03-14-2010, 10:13 PM
Trading for Kwame Brown :pity:

bal_ravens
03-14-2010, 10:15 PM
Washington Wizards - Releasing Mike James. :(

Hellcrooner
03-14-2010, 10:16 PM
Why should he deserve to just start?

He should have to prove himself in the NBA first... The guy doesn't just have the rights to start on a contending team before playing a minute in the league.

If that's the only thing stopping him from coming over to the NBA, maybe he doesn't have the right attitude...

well there is another thing.

the rookie salary scale.

he woudl earn around 3 million DOlLARs a year wich after taxes woudl be like 1,3 millions.

He is going to be offered around 4 million tAX free EUROS a year (round 6 million dollars)

so i guess its feasable that he considers going to the nba to play scrub minutes is nto a good idea.

But if he goes and PLAYS then he can win those bucks back when he resigns with some hipe.

jimbobjarree
03-14-2010, 10:24 PM
-selling Dominique Wilkins after drafting him cus we were struggling financially
-Trading our pick at the start of the season, which ended up being 1st overall and Magic Johnson

JIDsanity
03-14-2010, 10:46 PM
Yi Janlian

JIDsanity
03-14-2010, 10:48 PM
Being Cheap, with VC and JKidd in their primes. on the same team

topdog
03-14-2010, 11:12 PM
Illegal Joe Smith signing. 'Cuz he was worth it, right?

Tmac416
03-15-2010, 03:46 AM
The warriors for blowing up two play off teams 20 years a part(run tmc and we believe) or for having the chance to drat super stars but then saying no, all these guys the dubs could have selected but let them go by(GARNET,BRYANT,TMAC,STOUDMIRE,PARKER,VINCE CARTER,GRANGER, and others for a bunch of bums and decades of loosing. Seriously i dont care what you other teams say, Warriors fans suffer the most.

knickfan4life
03-15-2010, 04:34 AM
im a knick fan, need i say more???

RaptorizedKevin
03-15-2010, 11:52 AM
drafting rafeal arujou
signing rob babcock
signing hedo turkoglu.

i feel really bad for the b lazers though. theres no other team in the history of the nba with woorse luck then this. they drafted someone else over michael jodan. and the guy they drafted was a bus. greg oden isnt bad hes solid and will be very good. but durant seems like a better player and a true scorer. so they did miss out.

MJ-BULLS
03-15-2010, 12:12 PM
well, the worst move the bulls have ever made recently is drafting LA and trading him to Portland for Tyrus Thomas.

mikantsass
03-15-2010, 12:17 PM
2 words.... Rick Pitino

superabound
03-15-2010, 12:19 PM
As a Phillies fan, we have quite a lot of bad moves (Von Hayes trade, Lance Parrish trade, drafting Jeff Jackson a pick in front of Frank Thomas, etc) but in my lifetime, the worst is a tie between trading Curt Schilling for Travis Lee, Vincente Padilla, Omar Daal, and Nelson Figuerora OR Scott Rolen for Placido Polanco, Bud Smith, and Mike Timlin. Both awful trades which put the team back 3 or 4 years both times, but the Rolen trade especially -- Polanco kept Utley in the minors while he played 2nd, Smith was hurt, and Timlin refused to play for us.

pf289
03-15-2010, 12:23 PM
as a phillies fan, we have quite a lot of bad moves (von hayes trade, lance parrish trade, drafting jeff jackson a pick in front of frank thomas, etc) but in my lifetime, the worst is a tie between trading curt schilling for travis lee, vincente padilla, omar daal, and nelson figuerora or scott rolen for placido polanco, bud smith, and mike timlin. Both awful trades which put the team back 3 or 4 years both times, but the rolen trade especially -- polanco kept utley in the minors while he played 2nd, smith was hurt, and timlin refused to play for us.

...nba

superabound
03-15-2010, 12:29 PM
Oops, my bad. Everything the 76ers do is backwards and stupid, but the biggest one may be what we didn't do -- when McGrady was on the block back during the Larry Brown era, the sixers had a legit offer of McGrady to the 76ers, and Larry Hughes and Theo Ratliff to the Raptors. 76ers didn't want to deal Ratliff. They then gave him up for Mutombo, which was an excellent trade in hind-sight.

dev0
03-15-2010, 12:44 PM
just the entire Vince Carter situation was poorly handled from the start to the finish... there's no more obvious answer in the NBA today

what54!?
03-15-2010, 12:51 PM
trading away the heats first (which turned out to be ty lawson) for mark blount and ricky davis.

giving chirs quinn and diawara mutli-year contracts.

drafting wayne simien over david lee

trading shaq for shawn marion

CB4AB7VC15
03-15-2010, 01:01 PM
Hiring Babcock
VC trade
Hiring BC (Thinks u can win playing the ***** way, with no D and a bunch of jump shooters)
JK
Hedo (put us back 5 years)

mike_noodles
03-15-2010, 01:15 PM
For the Raptors, hiring Rob Babcock as GM.

1. Trades Vince for E Williams, A Williams, A Mourning & 2 first round picks. Then paying $10 million to buy out Mourning and still having his salary on the books for 1.5 seasons, the two first round picks were both middle to late, and both Williams sucked for us.

2. Drafted Araujo over Iggy.

3. Drafted Graham over Granger.

4. Hired Sam Mitchell as head coach.

5. Signed Rafer Alston to a 5 year deal.

smith&wesson
03-15-2010, 01:18 PM
Hiring Rob Babcock.


biggest mistake ever by far.

1. he drafted arujo

2. he traded carter for earon and eric williams. and then payed out alonzo for no reporting to the team. so he basically gave up vince carter for 2 players that really werent even d league players at the time.

im just gonna stop here.
worst gm of all time for any team in any sport.

smith&wesson
03-15-2010, 01:18 PM
For the Raptors, hiring Rob Babcock as GM.

1. Trades Vince for E Williams, A Williams, A Mourning & 2 first round picks. Then paying $10 million to buy out Mourning and still having his salary on the books for 1.5 seasons, the two first round picks were both middle to late, and both Williams sucked for us.

2. Drafted Araujo over Iggy.

3. Drafted Graham over Granger.

4. Hired Sam Mitchell as head coach.

5. Signed Rafer Alston to a 5 year deal.


x20000

Russollini
03-15-2010, 01:24 PM
OK, I know it netted us a championship, but it killed our team for years afterwards....Trading for Shaq. I think the Core of Wade, Butler and Odom looks a lot what Kobe is running with right now.

ballpd05
03-15-2010, 01:27 PM
Trading Kobe's draft rights

NBAfan4life
03-15-2010, 01:27 PM
Minnesota so this is a long list

Drafting edi could of had josh howard
trading roy for foye
The Joe smith thing
letting Chauncey walk
Mchale
basically the only good thing we have ever done is draft Garnett

ballpd05
03-15-2010, 01:28 PM
OK, I know it netted us a championship, but it killed our team for years afterwards....Trading for Shaq. I think the Core of Wade, Butler and Odom looks a lot what Kobe is running with right now.

The thing that gives Kobe a step up on that Heat team are Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum. That heat squad had nothing that resembled either of them.

Dpop07
03-15-2010, 01:29 PM
Dallas Mavericks:

1. Trading J-Kidd.
2. Letting Nash walk
3. Signing Dampier(even tho it may pay off this off-season)
4. Signing shawn bradley for 10 mil a yr.
5. Constantly overpaying for mediocre talent

Raps18-19 Champ
03-15-2010, 01:40 PM
Hiring Babcock
Drafting Araujo over Iggy, Jefferson, others
Trading Carter for ****

jhood
03-15-2010, 02:07 PM
Raptors drafting andrea bargs over roy - when we had bosh wow

masalex1205
03-15-2010, 02:26 PM
Bobcats' Morrison pick

CB4AB7VC15
03-15-2010, 04:41 PM
LOL Babcock was also an assistant for minnesota, thats when they signed mike james and traded Foye for Roy.........