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JordansBulls
03-14-2010, 12:51 AM
.....

MaHaRaJaH
03-14-2010, 12:56 AM
I don't know people didn't consider him that before :S

knicks09
03-14-2010, 12:56 AM
Yes he is. IMO the list goes:
Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Durant
Howard

JordansBulls
03-14-2010, 12:58 AM
I don't know people didn't consider him that before :S

Well other than the usual 3 guys in Kobe, Lebron, and Wade. You got Melo, Dwight, Dirk, Duncan, CP3 as well that all fit in that top 5 mold.

madiaz3
03-14-2010, 01:01 AM
yes he is. Imo the list goes:
Kobe
lebron
wade
durant
carmelo

imo.

jimbobjarree
03-14-2010, 01:01 AM
kids a beast, hell yeah

Vinny642
03-14-2010, 01:03 AM
There shoulld be like 4 people tied for the 5th spot lol

Iodine
03-14-2010, 01:07 AM
Ill answer this question with a question

Do I get hard whenever mane is online?

_KB24_
03-14-2010, 01:11 AM
1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Dwight

They are significantly better than Durant. CP3 is up there as well, hates me not to include him

jmtapia
03-14-2010, 01:17 AM
LBJ
Durant
Kobe
Wade
Dwight

Espnking1021
03-14-2010, 01:37 AM
Kobe
LBJ
Wade
Durant
Melo

Howard is becoming inconsistent and kobe has led his team to championships, untill LBJ does that....kobe is on top.

MaHaRaJaH
03-14-2010, 01:39 AM
Well other than the usual 3 guys in Kobe, Lebron, and Wade. You got Melo, Dwight, Dirk, Duncan, CP3 as well that all fit in that top 5 mold.

I certainly think he's doing a lot more with his team considering his age and the average age of the team.

jmtapia
03-14-2010, 01:40 AM
LBJ is clearly the best player in the NBA... regardless of rings or not. Eitherway LBJ is way to young to be judged on championships

momoneyyyy
03-14-2010, 01:55 AM
yea he is. he could be top 3 next year.

Iodine
03-14-2010, 02:01 AM
LBJ is clearly the best player in the NBA... regardless of rings or not. Eitherway LBJ is way to young to be judged on championships

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/20/128716749095000542.jpg

sw20
03-14-2010, 02:07 AM
kobe has led his team to championships, untill LBJ does that....kobe is on top.what does past accomplishments has to do with who is better THIS season?

Rego247
03-14-2010, 02:38 AM
nope not IMO, its still

kobe
bron
wade
melo
howard

not sure why on other lists we ppl have him over melo, IMO melo is better, just waiting to see how this kid performs in the playoffs

Baller1
03-14-2010, 03:00 AM
nope not IMO, its still

kobe
bron
wade
melo
howard

not sure why on other lists we ppl have him over melo, IMO melo is better, just waiting to see how this kid performs in the playoffs

KD has Melo in almost every single statistical category. Melo is more clutch, and thats about it.

Fireworld
03-14-2010, 03:07 AM
He's top five for me.

Chacarron
03-14-2010, 03:13 AM
It goes like this:

Lebron
Kobe
Melo
Durant
Wade

Tribe
03-14-2010, 03:19 AM
Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Carmelo
Dirk

jmtapia
03-14-2010, 03:25 AM
Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Carmelo
Dirk

Durant > Dirk and Dwight>Dirk

alencp3
03-14-2010, 04:33 AM
There shoulld be like 4 people tied for the 5th spot lol

CP3 is 3rd when healthy mate , chill out :smoking:

McKinnon91
03-14-2010, 04:58 AM
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Melo
Dwight

After that, it is complicated between players like Wade and Paul.
And then too players like Bosh, Garnett, Pierce, Billups, Amare, etc.

J-Relo
03-14-2010, 05:02 AM
Yes, I pick Durant as currently top 5 player in the league. The main thing is that only Lebron and Kobe have locked their spots in top 5... we could argue about other 3.

JordansBulls
03-14-2010, 11:15 AM
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Melo
Dwight

After that, it is complicated between players like Wade and Paul.
And then too players like Bosh, Garnett, Pierce, Billups, Amare, etc.

Garnett is not top 5 anymore nor is Amare or Bosh.

avrpatsfan
03-14-2010, 11:33 AM
For sure he is.

1: Lebron
2: Kobe
3: Durant
4: Melo
5: Wade

He is better than Wade now. Every stat is better except for APG.

mrblisterdundee
03-14-2010, 11:38 AM
Are you kidding? Look at the MVP rankings and stop making ignorant threads.

Reversed86Curse
03-14-2010, 11:50 AM
Garnett is not top 5 anymore nor is Amare or Bosh.

JB- I think he was referring to the 'after that' portion of his post. 7-8 could vie for the top 5 but IMO Kobe, LBJ and Durant are clearly the top 3 this year, after that, it gets messy

Jesse2272
03-14-2010, 12:21 PM
LBJ, K24, Dwill, Wade, Dhoward, Dirk

Durant will have his time...grey area...up for argument...obviously...

Definitely top 10

stipe1280
03-14-2010, 12:21 PM
1) James
2) Kobe
3) Durant
4) Nowitzki
5) Wade

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-14-2010, 12:43 PM
kobe
lebron
dwight
melo
wade

So...NO

Raph12
03-14-2010, 02:06 PM
1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Dwight

They are significantly better than Durant. CP3 is up there as well, hates me not to include him

This

McKinnon91
03-14-2010, 02:22 PM
JB- I think he was referring to the 'after that' portion of his post. 7-8 could vie for the top 5 but IMO Kobe, LBJ and Durant are clearly the top 3 this year, after that, it gets messy


Yes.
Garnett is deffenitely at the end of his prime. But you cant deny he is in the top 10-15. Top 7 would include CP3 and Dwayne Wade. But after top 7 it gets cloudy.

MacFitz92
03-14-2010, 02:58 PM
LBJ is clearly the best player in the NBA... regardless of rings or not. Eitherway LBJ is way to young to be judged on championships

Yea, but he's played 7 years now.

soonabooma
03-14-2010, 03:23 PM
KD is definitely top 5. There's at least 10 players that you could consider top 5, so somebody is always gonna get left out. But there's no shame in putting Durant ahead of some of the best players in the league even though they've been around a little longer.......becuz he really is that good.

LA_Raiders
03-14-2010, 06:48 PM
Kobe
Wade
LeBroom
Dwight
CP3
Melo
Irk
TD
Durant

Ovratd1up
03-14-2010, 07:12 PM
Best right now, I think goes something like this

Lebron
Kobe
Wade - Paul
Durant
Howard
Melo - Nowitzki
Roy - D-Will - Bosh
Nash - Duncan

As for the future (players under 30 right now that are in the NBA), I would predict

Lebron
Durant
Howard
Paul
Melo
Wade - D-Will
Roy - Rose - Tyreke - Bosh

NYMetros
03-14-2010, 07:14 PM
Best right now, I think goes something like this

Lebron
Kobe
Wade - Paul
Durant
Howard
Melo - Nowitzki
Roy - D-Will - Bosh
Nash - Duncan

As for the future (players under 30 right now that are in the NBA), I would predict

Lebron
Durant
Howard
Paul
Melo
Wade - D-Will
Roy - Rose - Tyreke - Bosh

I'd say you're pretty spot on with both lists.

ChiSox219
03-14-2010, 07:19 PM
Lebron
Duncan
Wade
Kobe
CP3
Melo
Dwight

All better

Bosh
Deron
Nash
Dirk
Roy

On Durant's level

Jaji
03-14-2010, 07:20 PM
Kevin Durant is top 3, with Wade and Melo rounding out the top 5.

NortonMang
03-14-2010, 07:46 PM
No one in the league, that's no one, can score from everywhere, beyond the arc, mid range, in close, like Durant. He's got a very young team on the verge of a 50 win season displaying maturity and making his team better as the season goes on.

CowboysKB24
03-14-2010, 07:47 PM
Yes.

This year solidifies it because the Thunder are now are great team.

CowboysKB24
03-14-2010, 07:48 PM
No one in the league, that's no one, can score from everywhere, beyond the arc, mid range, in close, like Durant. He's got a very young team on the verge of a 50 win season displaying maturity and making his team better as the season goes on.

There are a couple guys who can do that.

Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Melo
Granger

NortonMang
03-14-2010, 07:54 PM
There are a couple guys who can do that.

Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Melo
Granger

The stats don't bear your comment out. Wade sucks beyond the arc. Kobe's not as good beyond the arc and Lebron is much weaker outside of 10 feet for example.

Sixerlover
03-14-2010, 08:29 PM
Almost. I'd put him at 7 under the consensus 5 and Chris Paul

Fire&Ice2&33
03-14-2010, 08:32 PM
I would put him in the top 5

Master Mind
03-14-2010, 08:35 PM
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Melo
Dwight

After that, it is complicated between players like Wade and Paul.
And then too players like Bosh, Garnett, Pierce, Billups, Amare, etc.


For sure he is.

1: Lebron
2: Kobe
3: Durant
4: Melo
5: Wade

He is better than Wade now. Every stat is better except for APG.


LBJ, K24, Dwill, Wade, Dhoward, Dirk

Durant will have his time...grey area...up for argument...obviously...

Definitely top 10

:facepalm: Wade is top 3 period

Mane
03-14-2010, 08:47 PM
Best right now, I think goes something like this

Lebron
Kobe
Wade - Paul
Durant
Howard
Melo - Nowitzki
Roy - D-Will - Bosh
Nash - Duncan

As for the future (players under 30 right now that are in the NBA), I would predict

Lebron
Durant
Howard
Paul
Melo
Wade - D-Will
Roy - Rose - Tyreke - Bosh

What this guy sez

TheWatcher34
03-14-2010, 09:34 PM
Durant = franchise player. Durant, Melo and James will be competing for the scoring title the next few years.

runforrestrunx9
03-14-2010, 09:44 PM
without a doubt... i even think he will be the 2nd best player in the NBA next year... for now id say hes 4th behind LBJ, Kobe, and Wade... the 5th spot is a toss up but ill give it to dwight cuz hes such a dominant defensive force

JordansBulls
03-15-2010, 12:03 AM
:facepalm: Wade is top 3 period

Yes

Lakersfan2483
03-15-2010, 12:27 AM
I have Durant ranked behind Kobe, Lebron, Wade, D. Howard, C. Paul and Melo. If Durant can have a big postseason and peform at a high level, he will definitely have a shot of moving up. I want to see how plays when everything is on the line. The playoffs is the place for him to make an even bigger name for himself.

Lakersfan2483
03-15-2010, 12:33 AM
No one in the league, that's no one, can score from everywhere, beyond the arc, mid range, in close, like Durant. He's got a very young team on the verge of a 50 win season displaying maturity and making his team better as the season goes on.

I beg to differ with that statement as there is a guy in Los Angeles and another guy in Cleveland that are both pretty good. lol.:eyebrow: There are also two guys in Miami and Denver that can fill it up as well.

Go_NUGGETS
03-15-2010, 12:52 AM
No one in the league, that's no one, can score from everywhere, beyond the arc, mid range, in close, like Durant. He's got a very young team on the verge of a 50 win season displaying maturity and making his team better as the season goes on.

ROFLMAOOOOOOOOO.


:facepalm::facepalm:

Nuff said.

Baller1
03-15-2010, 01:44 AM
I beg to differ with that statement as there is a guy in Los Angeles and another guy in Cleveland that are both pretty good. lol.:eyebrow: There are also two guys in Miami and Denver that can fill it up as well.

Notice how he said from everywhere on the court. Lebron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade cannot even compare to Durant's range and silky smooth stroke. He's easily the best 3pt shooter of the bunch, and easily the best free throw shooter of the bunch. And Lebron is the only player with a higher FG% than Durant, due to his ridiulous ability to get inside.

When it comes to scoring anywhere on the court, consistently, it's Durant.

GAWDtv
03-15-2010, 04:12 AM
Yes he is. IMO the list goes:
Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Durant
Howard

I would still put Howard over him as Howard is a BEAST in the paint on BOTH ends of the floor. Perenial Defensive Player of the year.

LeBron: He is the Prototype Athlete, does it all, selfless, driven to be #1 and will be by far.
Howard: Beast, and now with the low post game developing ala Patrick Jamaican Ewing He will make Bron earn top spot.
Wade: Most MJesque in my Humble opinion, and MJ's. Lead his team to the Ring b4 anyones expectations
Durant: Can you say IceMan: he seems to get better every game, and since his AS Game debut he be sky rocketing.
Kobe: sick wit it, cold blooded, ice in the vain Balla, the other 4 above him bring more to the table, and still have potential GALORE.
HONERABLE MENTION
Tyreke Evans: He is just a rookie but this guy can score and defend at VET level. He should be an ALL-Star by next season going 25 7 8ish just watch...:clap:

Lakersfan2483
03-15-2010, 10:44 AM
Notice how he said from everywhere on the court. Lebron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade cannot even compare to Durant's range and silky smooth stroke. He's easily the best 3pt shooter of the bunch, and easily the best free throw shooter of the bunch. And Lebron is the only player with a higher FG% than Durant, due to his ridiulous ability to get inside.

When it comes to scoring anywhere on the court, consistently, it's Durant.

I read his statement and completely disagree because I know for a fact that all of those guys can do exactly what Durant can do. I know first hand what Kobe can do as I have witnessed it for 14 years. He can score from anywhere on the court with ease. As far as Melo, Lebron and Wade, I would stack them up against Durant any day of the week. They all can score from anywhere on the court and have proven they can do so for quite sometime now.

mikantsass
03-15-2010, 11:00 AM
Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Carmello
Paul
Duncan
Howard
Bosh
Durant
Dirk

ballpd05
03-15-2010, 11:07 AM
The NBA's Top Five:

Lebron James-Best on the Panet
Kobe Bryant- Makes the improbable and thought impossible look easy
Kevin Durant- Efficient scoring machine for an up and coming young squad
Chris Paul- for the last 3 years has taken a team full of scrubs and made them respectable (one year second in the west)
Dwayne Wade- Now that Thornton and Collison have come along in NO, he assumes the official Title of player who does the most with the least.

Go_NUGGETS
03-15-2010, 11:12 AM
Notice how he said from everywhere on the court. Lebron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade cannot even compare to Durant's range and silky smooth stroke. He's easily the best 3pt shooter of the bunch, and easily the best free throw shooter of the bunch. And Lebron is the only player with a higher FG% than Durant, due to his ridiulous ability to get inside.

When it comes to scoring anywhere on the court, consistently, it's Durant.

Please....Melo can do everything anybody else can do....You should know that, after he worked the Thunder on March 3rd.

Ebbs
03-15-2010, 11:37 AM
LBJ
Kobe
Wade
Durant
Dirk
Melo
CP3
Dwight

Baller1
03-15-2010, 11:45 AM
Please....Melo can do everything anybody else can do....You should know that, after he worked the Thunder on March 3rd.

Your right, he can... But not as consistently as Durant.

Good try though.

Baller1
03-15-2010, 11:46 AM
I read his statement and completely disagree because I know for a fact that all of those guys can do exactly what Durant can do. I know first hand what Kobe can do as I have witnessed it for 14 years. He can score from anywhere on the court with ease. As far as Melo, Lebron and Wade, I would stack them up against Durant any day of the week. They all can score from anywhere on the court and have proven they can do so for quite sometime now.

You guys obviously don't understand the definition of "consistently".

macc
03-15-2010, 11:48 AM
1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Howard
5. Melo
6. Paul


Nope, sorry call me old school but before I consider anyone top 5 I like to see them dominate for 2-3 years first consistantly. Also there is no way I could consider somone top 5 before seeing what they can do in the playoffs when you have opposing teams making game plans to stop you specificly.

Sorry I'm just not so quick to pass the torch to somone who's playing amazingly 3/4 of a season and has scored 0 points in the playoffs. But thats just my opinion.

Lakersfan2483
03-15-2010, 11:50 AM
You guys obviously don't understand the definition of "consistently".

I fully understand what the term means and don't just take into account that Durant is having a great year, I look at careers and body of work.

Bring The Heat
03-15-2010, 12:14 PM
I don't see how anyone who knows basketball puts Durant in front of Wade, Kobe or Lebron... or even Howard or Paul

MJ-BULLS
03-15-2010, 12:19 PM
well in my opinion he is a top five player right now. with Dwight Howard at six right now.

Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Dwyane Wade

HoopsDrive
03-15-2010, 12:24 PM
1. LeBron James
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dwight Howard
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Kevin Durant
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Chris Paul
8. Deron Williams
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Chris Bosh

Yep, he's a top 5. And he'll keep on getting better. Holy jeez.

dev0
03-15-2010, 12:42 PM
Kobe
lebron
carmelo
wade
durant

jackdawson
03-15-2010, 12:45 PM
For sure he is.

1: Lebron
2: Kobe
3: Durant
4: Melo
5: Wade

He is better than Wade now. Every stat:facepalm: is better except for APG.

Stat doesn't mean the better player.

kurivaimu
03-15-2010, 01:02 PM
Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Wade

sure.

JordansBulls
03-15-2010, 02:58 PM
You guys obviously don't understand the definition of "consistently".

I'm sure consistent means someone who has been that way for years and not a few months.

Go_NUGGETS
03-15-2010, 03:01 PM
I'm sure consistent means someone who has been that way for years and not a few months.

Well...Thats been explained to the Durant fan in the past and he doesn't seem to get it.

Go_NUGGETS
03-15-2010, 03:02 PM
But dont get me wrong, Durant is the man....Lets see how he does when the fatigue of the playoffs set down on him this season, then it can be judged how he performs.

Baller1
03-15-2010, 03:12 PM
I'm sure consistent means someone who has been that way for years and not a few months.

He averaged 25 points a game last year. You guys are acting like he was nothing last year.

macc
03-15-2010, 04:49 PM
For the people who voted that he is a top 5 player. Please answer this question. How can you consider a guy a top 5 player if he's scored 0 points and played in 0 games in the playoffs?

To me that's just makes no sense. Players show their greatness in the playoffs. When a player can dominate in the playoffs against teams who have time to set up their defense to stop you, then I can put somone in the elite/great catagory.

A guy who averages 25+ ppg, while averaging 20 shots per game doesn't mean they're elite to me. Yes it says they can score, but that's about it.

I'm not trying to knock down Durant. At 21 years old he's an amazing talent. I just think it's ***** nine that people would make him a top 5 player in only his second year. That's just crazy to me.

Another knock on his game is that he only averages 2.8 assists per game. As much as he has the ball in his hands he should be moving the ball around and creating oppurtunities for his teammates.

Saying again...I think he's an amazing talent and the sky's the limit, but theres no way I'm going to put him top 5 without even playing in the playoffs.

PC
03-15-2010, 04:51 PM
IMO

Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Durant
CP3

Go_NUGGETS
03-15-2010, 05:07 PM
For the people who voted that he is a top 5 player. Please answer this question. How can you consider a guy a top 5 player if he's scored 0 points and played in 0 games in the playoffs?

To me that's just makes no sense. Players show their greatness in the playoffs. When a player can dominate in the playoffs against teams who have time to set up their defense to stop you, then I can put somone in the elite/great catagory.

A guy who averages 25+ ppg, while averaging 20 shots per game doesn't mean they're elite to me. Yes it says they can score, but that's about it.

I'm not trying to knock down Durant. At 21 years old he's an amazing talent. I just think it's ***** nine that people would make him a top 5 player in only his second year. That's just crazy to me.

Another knock on his game is that he only averages 2.8 assists per game. As much as he has the ball in his hands he should be moving the ball around and creating oppurtunities for his teammates.

Saying again...I think he's an amazing talent and the sky's the limit, but theres no way I'm going to put him top 5 without even playing in the playoffs.

THANK YOU!!!! I agree totally...Even tho, its his third year. LOL.

jackdawson
03-15-2010, 05:10 PM
IMO


LeBron
Wade
Kobe
Durant
CP3

This^^.

Slimsim
03-15-2010, 05:22 PM
For the people who voted that he is a top 5 player. Please answer this question. How can you consider a guy a top 5 player if he's scored 0 points and played in 0 games in the playoffs?

To me that's just makes no sense. Players show their greatness in the playoffs. When a player can dominate in the playoffs against teams who have time to set up their defense to stop you, then I can put somone in the elite/great catagory.

A guy who averages 25+ ppg, while averaging 20 shots per game doesn't mean they're elite to me. Yes it says they can score, but that's about it.

I'm not trying to knock down Durant. At 21 years old he's an amazing talent. I just think it's ***** nine that people would make him a top 5 player in only his second year. That's just crazy to me.

Another knock on his game is that he only averages 2.8 assists per game. As much as he has the ball in his hands he should be moving the ball around and creating oppurtunities for his teammates.

Saying again...I think he's an amazing talent and the sky's the limit, but theres no way I'm going to put him top 5 without even playing in the playoffs.

He might be going to the playoffs this year.

NortonMang
03-15-2010, 05:29 PM
For the people who voted that he is a top 5 player. Please answer this question. How can you consider a guy a top 5 player if he's scored 0 points and played in 0 games in the playoffs?

To me that's just makes no sense. Players show their greatness in the playoffs. When a player can dominate in the playoffs against teams who have time to set up their defense to stop you, then I can put somone in the elite/great catagory.

A guy who averages 25+ ppg, while averaging 20 shots per game doesn't mean they're elite to me. Yes it says they can score, but that's about it.

I'm not trying to knock down Durant. At 21 years old he's an amazing talent. I just think it's ***** nine that people would make him a top 5 player in only his second year. That's just crazy to me.

Another knock on his game is that he only averages 2.8 assists per game. As much as he has the ball in his hands he should be moving the ball around and creating oppurtunities for his teammates.

Saying again...I think he's an amazing talent and the sky's the limit, but theres no way I'm going to put him top 5 without even playing in the playoffs.


You call it crazy and I call you oh so politically correct you can't comprehend something extraordinary.

tredigs
03-15-2010, 05:30 PM
Best right now, I think goes something like this

Lebron
Kobe
Wade - Paul
Durant
Howard
Melo - Nowitzki
Roy - D-Will - Bosh
Nash - Duncan

As for the future (players under 30 right now that are in the NBA), I would predict

Lebron
Durant
Howard
Paul
Melo
Wade - D-Will
Roy - Rose - Tyreke - Bosh

After reading the first four pages, that's probably the best list I've seen yet.

There is way too many factors involved (hasn't had a chance to show what he can do in the playoffs, had a developed team around him, etc) for anybody to have a CLEAR CUT 1-10, or 1-5 in this case. But, his skill set and massive improvements on D, along with being the leader on an extremely young Thunder team that has gone from the basement to the upper echelon of the West in just one year certainly makes a strong case for the kid. In a year or two, when he's the ripe age of... 22-23, I feel like he will be the most talked about challenger to LBJ for the #1 spot.

tredigs
03-15-2010, 05:34 PM
He might be going to the playoffs this year.

He will be going to the playoffs this year, it's just a matter of whether or not the Thunder will have home court advantage.

For the guy above my last post who says that he should have more assists for "how often he has the ball in his hands", I'd have to disagree. It seems like you probably don't watch the Thunder. He doesn't have the ball in his hands all that often, the offense is structured and ran entirely by Westbrook. His assist total is right about where it should be for a 6'10" pure forward that plays with poor shooters [No knock on them, they'll get there eventually].

Baller1
03-15-2010, 05:37 PM
For the people who voted that he is a top 5 player. Please answer this question. How can you consider a guy a top 5 player if he's scored 0 points and played in 0 games in the playoffs?

To me that's just makes no sense. Players show their greatness in the playoffs. When a player can dominate in the playoffs against teams who have time to set up their defense to stop you, then I can put somone in the elite/great catagory.

A guy who averages 25+ ppg, while averaging 20 shots per game doesn't mean they're elite to me. Yes it says they can score, but that's about it.

I'm not trying to knock down Durant. At 21 years old he's an amazing talent. I just think it's ***** nine that people would make him a top 5 player in only his second year. That's just crazy to me.

Another knock on his game is that he only averages 2.8 assists per game. As much as he has the ball in his hands he should be moving the ball around and creating oppurtunities for his teammates.

Saying again...I think he's an amazing talent and the sky's the limit, but theres no way I'm going to put him top 5 without even playing in the playoffs.

-He's averaging 30 a game, 25 was last year.
-He's the second fastest ever to 3,000 and 4,000 points behind the best player in the league, Lebron.
-29 straight games of 25+ points, second all time to the Greatest Player to ever live.
-Leads the league in 30 point games and just set the franchise record (back to the Seattle days) of 30 point games in one season, and there's still 15+ games to go.
-Of the top 10 scorers in the league, he has the 2nd highest FG% (Lebron), 2nd highest FT% (Dirk), and the highest 3PT% of them all.
-He leads the entire league in FT's made.
-He's .1 away from leading the NBA in scoring as a 21 year old.

That says more than "he can just score". That's saying that this kid is probably the purest scorer in the league today, already.

He's the 2nd highest rebounding SF in the league (ahead of Lebron).
He's the 5th highest among SF's in steals.
He's the 4th highest among SF's in blocks.
He's the second most efficient player in the NBA (behind only Lebron).

(If I'm not mistaken) He's the third highest in +/- behind Lebron and Varejao.
He's 2nd in the entire league in offensive win shares.


He's probably the most underrated defender in the entire NBA as he is 5th in the entire league in defensive win shares on one of the best defensive teams in the league (top 5).

Not to mention, he's brought the Thunder from a 23 win bottom dweller last season, to a team with possible HCA in the Western Conference.

Before you try claiming that Durant can only score at this point in his career, try knowing all the facts first.

There's more to the game than just one stat (which he is 2nd in anyway, go figure).

Byronicle
03-15-2010, 05:49 PM
Durant is probably the third best player in the league

I mean come on he brought a crap team to a pretty damn good one, Melo was nothing with Iverson now he is something with Billups. Wade couldn't keep his team winning by himself. Durant is a machine baby

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. Wade
5. Howard

tredigs
03-15-2010, 06:06 PM
-He's averaging 30 a game, 25 was last year.
-He's the second fastest ever to 3,000 and 4,000 points behind the best player in the league, Lebron.
-29 straight games of 25+ points, second all time to the Greatest Player to ever live.
-Leads the league in 30 point games and just set the franchise record (back to the Seattle days) of 30 point games in one season, and there's still 15+ games to go.
-Of the top 10 scorers in the league, he has the 2nd highest FG% (Lebron), 2nd highest FT% (Dirk), and the highest 3PT% of them all.
-He leads the entire league in FT's made.
-He's .1 away from leading the NBA in scoring as a 21 year old.

That says more than "he can just score". That's saying that this kid is probably the purest scorer in the league today, already.

He's the 2nd highest rebounding SF in the league (ahead of Lebron).
He's the 5th highest among SF's in steals.
He's the 4th highest among SF's in blocks.
He's the second most efficient player in the NBA (behind only Lebron).

(If I'm not mistaken) He's the third highest in +/- behind Lebron and Varejao.
He's 2nd in the entire league in offensive win shares.


He's probably the most underrated defender in the entire NBA as he is 5th in the entire league in defensive win shares on one of the best defensive teams in the league (top 5).

Not to mention, he's brought the Thunder from a 23 win bottom dweller last season, to a team with possible HCA in the Western Conference.

Before you try claiming that Durant can only score at this point in his career, try knowing all the facts first.

There's more to the game than just one stat (which he is 2nd in anyway, go figure).


Said what I didn't feel like writing out, nice ^

Here's a quote from a "HoopsWorld" article a few days back: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15555



Next up, the man of the hour: Kevin Durant. The fact that versatile Durant has been included in Most Valuable Player talks at the ripe old age of 21 may sufficiently explain the team's rapid improvement, but let's go ahead and list those areas in which the newly-crowned All-Star ranks in the league and/or his team at this point:

29.6 points per game (2nd in league, leads team)
7.5 rebounds per game (leads team)
1.3 steals per game (tied second in team)
25.3 PER (5th in league)
8.7 free throws per game (leads league and team)
.884% free-throw shooting (7th in league, leads team)
9.7 field-goals per game (2nd in league, leads team)
32% Usage Percentage (5th in league)
11.7 Win Shares (2nd in league – also 2nd in Offensive Win Shares and 4th in Defensive Win Shares)


Read more: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15555#ixzz0iHi8oXX0

In short, that's a case for a top 2-3 player in the league, right now, this year. Which is why he is widely considered top 3 in the MVP rankings, and 2nd on most analysts ballots. But, the "top 5 in the league" distinction has to be supplemented by playoff performance, so we'll have to wait and see.

One thing I'll say that if he isn't already considered better than Melo, he should be... because he is. If Melo decides to work his *** off in the off-season to become a top level defender, then he can rejoin the debate of being better than KD.

SteveNash
03-15-2010, 06:16 PM
For the people who voted that he is a top 5 player. Please answer this question. How can you consider a guy a top 5 player if he's scored 0 points and played in 0 games in the playoffs?

To me that's just makes no sense. Players show their greatness in the playoffs. When a player can dominate in the playoffs against teams who have time to set up their defense to stop you, then I can put somone in the elite/great catagory.

A guy who averages 25+ ppg, while averaging 20 shots per game doesn't mean they're elite to me. Yes it says they can score, but that's about it.

I'm not trying to knock down Durant. At 21 years old he's an amazing talent. I just think it's ***** nine that people would make him a top 5 player in only his second year. That's just crazy to me.

Another knock on his game is that he only averages 2.8 assists per game. As much as he has the ball in his hands he should be moving the ball around and creating oppurtunities for his teammates.

Saying again...I think he's an amazing talent and the sky's the limit, but theres no way I'm going to put him top 5 without even playing in the playoffs.

Durant is just the trendy pick right now because OKC isn't completely horrible like people thought they would be. Durant is still be Dirk and Carmelo in terms of just scorers in the NBA and isn't close to being a top 5.

Thatruth32
03-15-2010, 06:35 PM
not even a doubt about it

macc
03-15-2010, 06:38 PM
-He's averaging 30 a game, 25 was last year.
-He's the second fastest ever to 3,000 and 4,000 points behind the best player in the league, Lebron.
-29 straight games of 25+ points, second all time to the Greatest Player to ever live.
-Leads the league in 30 point games and just set the franchise record (back to the Seattle days) of 30 point games in one season, and there's still 15+ games to go.
-Of the top 10 scorers in the league, he has the 2nd highest FG% (Lebron), 2nd highest FT% (Dirk), and the highest 3PT% of them all.
-He leads the entire league in FT's made.
-He's .1 away from leading the NBA in scoring as a 21 year old.

That says more than "he can just score". That's saying that this kid is probably the purest scorer in the league today, already.

He's the 2nd highest rebounding SF in the league (ahead of Lebron).
He's the 5th highest among SF's in steals.
He's the 4th highest among SF's in blocks.
He's the second most efficient player in the NBA (behind only Lebron).

(If I'm not mistaken) He's the third highest in +/- behind Lebron and Varejao.
He's 2nd in the entire league in offensive win shares.


He's probably the most underrated defender in the entire NBA as he is 5th in the entire league in defensive win shares on one of the best defensive teams in the league (top 5).

Not to mention, he's brought the Thunder from a 23 win bottom dweller last season, to a team with possible HCA in the Western Conference.

Before you try claiming that Durant can only score at this point in his career, try knowing all the facts first.

There's more to the game than just one stat (which he is 2nd in anyway, go figure).



I'm not going to disagree with anything you said. I agree that he is an amazing player and amazing talent. I'm just saying there is NO WAY I would consider a guy to be in the top 5 in the NBA when he hasn't played a single playoff game. Yes he will prob play in the playoffs this year, BUT he hasn't yet. To me that's HUGE. Get to the playoffs, raise your level of play, make everyone around you better. That's what I want out of my top 5 guy.

To me saying he's not quite a top 5 yet isn't a knock to him, I think considering him a top 5 is a knock to Carmelo, Kobe, Wade, Howard, Dirk, Paul, Williams, ect who have made it to the playoffs and tore it up.

Call me old school but I like to see a player prove themself in the playoffs before I hand over the torch. But that's just my opinion.

Plus I would like to see him average a few more assists per game. With the ball in your hands that much you should be creating for your other players and making them better. 2.8 assists per game is a little low to be consider top 5.

Plus I hear that guy Westbrook isn't to bad of a player himself. Might have something to do with the Thunder being a much better team than last year.

Baller1
03-15-2010, 06:45 PM
I'm not going to disagree with anything you said. I agree that he is an amazing player and amazing talent. I'm just saying there is NO WAY I would consider a guy to be in the top 5 in the NBA when he hasn't played a single playoff game. Yes he will prob play in the playoffs this year, BUT he hasn't yet. To me that's HUGE. Get to the playoffs, raise your level of play, make everyone around you better. That's what I want out of my top 5 guy.

To me saying he's not quite a top 5 yet isn't a knock to him, I think considering him a top 5 is a knock to Carmelo, Kobe, Wade, Howard, Dirk, Paul, Williams, ect who have made it to the playoffs and tore it up.

Call me old school but I like to see a player prove themself in the playoffs before I hand over the torch. But that's just my opinion.

Plus I would like to see him average a few more assists per game. With the ball in your hands that much you should be creating for your other players and making them better. 2.8 assists per game is a little low to be consider top 5.

I definitely get what you're saying. Playoffs are huge part of being elite. But, I just think there's no looking past the fact that they were just a 23 win team a year ago, and now they're (almost) guaranteed a playoff spot and making a run at HCA. I guess we'll just have to wait a few more weeks.

As for his assists, it's simple. Aside from Durant, the Thunder are a terrible team offensively. They've gotten progrssivly better this season, but they really are an inferior team when it comes to scoring. I watch just about every Thunder game, and he really isn't a bad playmaker. Is he an elite playmaker/passer? No. But he's 21 on the youngest team in the league, and thats virtually the only knock on his game at this point.

macc
03-15-2010, 07:05 PM
I definitely get what you're saying. Playoffs are huge part of being elite. But, I just think there's no looking past the fact that they were just a 23 win team a year ago, and now they're (almost) guaranteed a playoff spot and making a run at HCA. I guess we'll just have to wait a few more weeks.

As for his assists, it's simple. Aside from Durant, the Thunder are a terrible team offensively. They've gotten progrssivly better this season, but they really are an inferior team when it comes to scoring. I watch just about every Thunder game, and he really isn't a bad playmaker. Is he an elite playmaker/passer? No. But he's 21 on the youngest team in the league, and thats virtually the only knock on his game at this point.


Exactly he's only 21. If he keeps this up then in 2-5 years he could be debatted to be the best player in the NBA. Who knows. Hes soooo young and has accomplished soo much. I'm just gonna hold the keys to the Jag a little longer and let him earn his stripes before I give him my ride.

Can't wait to see him in the playoffs though.

Baller1
03-15-2010, 07:08 PM
Exactly he's only 21. If he keeps this up then in 2-5 years he could be debatted to be the best player in the NBA. Who knows. Hes soooo young and has accomplished soo much. I'm just gonna hold the keys to the Jag a little longer and let him earn his stripes before I give him my ride.

Can't wait to see him in the playoffs though.

Fair enough.

Me neither. Last time I got to experience the excitement of the NBA playoffs, my team was in Seattle playing with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.

JordansBulls
03-15-2010, 11:30 PM
Fair enough.

Me neither. Last time I got to experience the excitement of the NBA playoffs, my team was in Seattle playing with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.

Yeah I am still mad they left Seattle.

harlequin018
03-15-2010, 11:46 PM
1. LBJ (by far, if you're listing Kobe first you're a homer)
2. Kobe
3. Wade (health is keeping him behind Kobe)
4. Durant (if he develops a little more defensively, and starts to involve his teammates more, he'll easily be second on this list)
5. Howard

BallinGid3
03-16-2010, 12:10 AM
1. kobe
2. wade
3. lebron
4.cp3
5.melo.
imo.
not yet . If they make the playoffs and he does good. Maybe next year.

Baller1
03-16-2010, 01:14 AM
Yeah I am still mad they left Seattle.

You have no idea. It was one of the most depressing things I've ever experienced.

Baller1
03-16-2010, 01:35 AM
I'm not, by any means, saying this has anything to do with him being a top 5 player.

But I think it's badass.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/top_plays/2010/03/14/20100314_motn.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

TheRazorboy
03-16-2010, 01:40 AM
No.

Beltrans Mole
03-16-2010, 01:59 AM
Making a top-5 NBA player list isn't easy, but here's mine:

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Durant
5. Carmello

I think you could put Durant at 5 and Melo at 4 and I wouldn't be upset, but right now Durant is the most consistent scorer night in and night out in the entire NBA, and he's 21 years old. Obv. everyone on this list can score at will let's be serious. But for someone to be as young as he is and to lead that team to where they are this year in the Western Conference, I think they certainly deserve a top 5 ranking. Within 2-3 years, Durantula will #2 only behind Lebron on this list IMO. CP3 and Dwight Howard are the next two but miss the list.

JordansBulls
03-16-2010, 12:47 PM
No.

Why not?

Monstars
03-16-2010, 01:10 PM
Kobe
LBJ
Wade
Durant
Melo

Howard is becoming inconsistent and kobe has led his team to championships, untill LBJ does that....kobe is on top.

I agree. Definitely.

PC
03-16-2010, 01:21 PM
1. LBJ (by far, if you're listing Kobe first you're a homer)
2. Kobe
3. Wade (health is keeping him behind Kobe)
4. Durant (if he develops a little more defensively, and starts to involve his teammates more, he'll easily be second on this list)
5. Howard

I'm a Knicks fan and I give the slight edge to Kobe. If you have to choose between LeBron and Kobe taking the last shot of the game, you have to go with Kobe. He's a straight up assassin

AI4MVP
03-16-2010, 01:50 PM
i hate when people use the "who would u have take the last shot" comparison when deciding whos better between kobe and lebron. **** the last few seconds. who would u have in the last 48 minutes? if lebrons playin, it wont have to come down to the last few seconds becuz he wins by alot more, but if it comes down to it...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0b73xeSYg

just becuz the lakers happen to have more games come down to the loast shot becuz there not as good a team as the cavs doesnt mean shiiiet.

just becuz lebron doesnt do a gay little mean look with his chin doesnt mean he doesnt have as much killer instcint as kobe. lebron asolutely takes over games late to. how many cavs games have u seen where lebron scores or assists on the last 49583490 points of the game? pretty much every time it is needed.

lebron is absolutely better the kobe bryant in EVERY category of the game of basketball, and just becuz hes young right now and doesnt have a ring, once he gets a few (on his own, being the first option, without the most dominant player in the nba like kobe had shaq), you laker homers will have no explanation for how kobe is the best player in the nba, becuz he clearly is not

JordansBulls
03-16-2010, 03:00 PM
I'm a Knicks fan and I give the slight edge to Kobe. If you have to choose between LeBron and Kobe taking the last shot of the game, you have to go with Kobe. He's a straight up assassin

So you would take Billups or Melo over prime Shaq as well right? Because I'm sure I would take them over Shaq for a last second shot as well.

AI4MVP
03-16-2010, 03:04 PM
So you would take Billups or Melo over prime Shaq as well right? Because I'm sure I would take them over Shaq for a last second shot as well.

wow. this is perfect.

i agree x4534523532532

tredigs
03-16-2010, 03:13 PM
I will take Lebron for the last 24 seconds of a game where the Cavs are down by two over Kobe 10/10 times. Why? Because Kobe shoots 29% from three over the last decade in game winning shot situations. The dude has some great last second makes, especially this year, but he is 25/89 in that situation over the last decade. For the record, Melo is the best at them, Melo shoots 49% in a game winning shot situation. But when you're team is always on ESPN/TNT, and you always take the last shot, you're going to have more glorious game winners, and people will forget the fact that you've missed more game winning shots this decade than anyone else in the league.


That said, this is about Durant, and with his shooting ability being better than both Lebron AND Kobe, to go along with how much easier he can elevate over his defenders, I wouldn't be surprised if he's considered the best in the league at these game winning situations within the next year or two. He's already flashed this ability more than a few times.

Edit: This list is the only one they have online, and it's an archive stat only between 03-09 seasons, but it gives you an idea of who you want taking that shot (MELO). http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

This year Bryant has raised his average to a whopping 29% for the entire decade, I'll still take Lebron/Melo every day.

macc
03-16-2010, 03:39 PM
i hate when people use the "who would u have take the last shot" comparison when deciding whos better between kobe and lebron. **** the last few seconds. who would u have in the last 48 minutes? if lebrons playin, it wont have to come down to the last few seconds becuz he wins by alot more, but if it comes down to it...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0b73xeSYg

just becuz the lakers happen to have more games come down to the loast shot becuz there not as good a team as the cavs doesnt mean shiiiet.

just becuz lebron doesnt do a gay little mean look with his chin doesnt mean he doesnt have as much killer instcint as kobe. lebron asolutely takes over games late to. how many cavs games have u seen where lebron scores or assists on the last 49583490 points of the game? pretty much every time it is needed.

lebron is absolutely better the kobe bryant in EVERY category of the game of basketball, and just becuz hes young right now and doesnt have a ring, once he gets a few (on his own, being the first option, without the most dominant player in the nba like kobe had shaq), you laker homers will have no explanation for how kobe is the best player in the nba, becuz he clearly is not


Don't even start with Kobe vs Lebron. This thread has nothing to do with it. Savy.

tredigs
03-16-2010, 03:45 PM
Don't even start with Kobe vs Lebron. This thread has nothing to do with it. Savy.

You're totally right, I shouldn't have even responded to the dude above.

This site NEEDS a Lebron v. Kobe sticky, mods how has this not been created yet? Other threads could stay on focus, and people would always have a forum to vent/compare these two. And it would probably be the most popular thread on the board.

masalex1205
03-16-2010, 04:12 PM
Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Wade

After that its a crap shoot between Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Carmelo, Dirk

TheRazorboy
03-16-2010, 04:18 PM
Why not?

Because there are more than five players in the league who I would take before him. It isn't an indictment on his talent.

JordansBulls
03-16-2010, 11:28 PM
You have no idea. It was one of the most depressing things I've ever experienced.

I could imagine. Just like if the Bulls left Chicago.

AI4MVP
03-16-2010, 11:39 PM
You're totally right, I shouldn't have even responded to the dude above.

This site NEEDS a Lebron v. Kobe sticky, mods how has this not been created yet? Other threads could stay on focus, and people would always have a forum to vent/compare these two. And it would probably be the most popular thread on the board.


i actually did suggest this in a couple of threads that were about kobe and lebron

tredigs
03-17-2010, 02:46 AM
i actually did suggest this in a couple of threads that were about kobe and lebron

Word, if I ran a basketball board it would be the FIRST thing I did. Even before choosing moderators or picking a layout, get that **** outta the way!

JordansBulls
03-17-2010, 08:10 AM
i actually did suggest this in a couple of threads that were about kobe and lebron

:)

hans dolo
03-17-2010, 12:11 PM
durant should be mvp this year. he has far surpassed expectations with his current team's roster as to where, kobe, lbj, wade, howard, all have done what they're supposed to do. he's carrying a non-playoff roster into a nice seed in the west of all places

ATX
03-17-2010, 12:27 PM
KD's the man. Top 5? Yes! He certainly needs to be in the MVP conversation.