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Swashcuff
03-07-2010, 09:19 PM
I have to go with 4 former Magic Players
Grant Hill
Tracy McGrady
Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway
Steve Francis

In their prime these guys would have been seen as not just being great but sure fire HOFers. Now it really doesn't look likely that any of them will get in.

Who do you guys got?

ManRam
03-07-2010, 09:20 PM
Thanks for rubbing it in ;)


Hopefully Greg Oden doesn't become the poster boy for this club.

goose15
03-07-2010, 09:23 PM
Penny

Bruno
03-07-2010, 09:24 PM
Magic Johnson, the ultimate "injury".

Swashcuff
03-07-2010, 09:31 PM
Magic Johnson, the ultimate "injury".

That's F#*% up man. Low!

JDMac80
03-07-2010, 09:38 PM
Magic Johnson, the ultimate "injury".

:rimshot:

Hawkeye15
03-07-2010, 09:45 PM
Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Bill Walton, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Drazen Petrovic, Jamal Mashburn, Allan Houston, Tracy McGrady, all good ones that missed due to physical reasons. Gilbert Arenas for modern players seems to follow the path

MTone8788
03-07-2010, 10:02 PM
Hank Gathers.. RIP :(

Hellcrooner
03-07-2010, 10:13 PM
Clark Kellog.

Jeff Ruland..

Ricky Berry.......death

Lionel Simmons.



if you are askign yourselves WTF???? dont take my word on it and search them in Wiki or Bball reference.

TheKing23
03-07-2010, 10:13 PM
Len Bias

JordansBulls
03-07-2010, 10:20 PM
I have to go with 4 former Magic Players
Grant Hill
Tracy McGrady
Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway
Steve Francis

In their prime these guys would have been seen as not just being great but sure fire HOFers. Now it really doesn't look likely that any of them will get in.

Who do you guys got?

Alonzo Mourning
Brad Daugherty
Ralph Sampson

JnasD
03-07-2010, 10:22 PM
Bernard king:(

Grizzly Adams
03-07-2010, 10:26 PM
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Drazen Petrovic
Brad Daugherty

TheWatcher34
03-07-2010, 10:33 PM
foreshadowing Greg Oden

ZebraCity916
03-07-2010, 10:37 PM
C-Webb??

THE_FLASH_21
03-07-2010, 10:37 PM
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Drazen Petrovic
Brad Daugherty
Thats mine... Also Penny, Jermaine Oneal...

Bruno
03-07-2010, 10:38 PM
That's F#*% up man. Low!


:rimshot:

Not at all my intention. I just think coming down HIV and being forced to retire should be put in the same boat as having to retire for other physical reasons. Magic is always ignored in this discussion.

MTone8788
03-07-2010, 10:43 PM
Michael Dickerson was good, he actually plays in Spain now though

ZebraCity916
03-07-2010, 10:43 PM
T-Mac might be next. I hope he's not though.

td0tsfinest
03-07-2010, 10:54 PM
Clark Kellog.

Jeff Ruland..

Ricky Berry.......death

Lionel Simmons.



if you are askign yourselves WTF???? dont take my word on it and search them in Wiki or Bball reference.

Always wondered why Clark Kellog is in the 2K video games.

st02wy
03-07-2010, 11:05 PM
GRANT HILL... that's it...plain and simple he would've become one of the top 30 players of all time.

And this is coming from a huge Tarheels fan - I'm suppose to hate this guy til death.

PJAF
03-07-2010, 11:18 PM
Bernard King.

RaptorizedKevin
03-07-2010, 11:25 PM
jameer nelson. he was having an all star year. and now his stats are just.. VOMIT.

Hellcrooner
03-07-2010, 11:37 PM
If injuryes never happened Kellog and King woudl have joined MJ, MJ II and Bird in the top 5 of 80s players.

Chronz
03-07-2010, 11:38 PM
what injury did francis suffer? i saw him on his last days in houston and he still had some sick ups. i think he just got old and his hyper athletic based game never adjusted kinda like marbury. i wouldnt be surprised if westbrook follows suit by the time hes 30.

im surprised nobody has mentioned willis reed. he was at the top of the league at one point.

tmac is an obvious choice the fact that he lasted as long as he did even in his decline state speaks about his ability to adapt same with hill. penny was a product of prehistoric procedures and he rushed back too early every time.

Hellcrooner
03-07-2010, 11:49 PM
I also always wondered how Stipanovich coudl ahve been if the didnt shoothimself in the Foot.


Not to mention Sabonis his career was cut by COmmunist governmente nto allowign him to go to usa when he was in his 20s and by a lot of severe knee injruys.

he still managed to be 15/10 in his very late 30s

imagine him joining the league HEALTY when he should.

Ill go up and say drexler woudl have some more rings in hsi fingers and Jordan some less.

Swashcuff
03-07-2010, 11:52 PM
I also always wondered how Stipanovich coudl ahve been if the didnt shoothimself in the Foot.


Not to mention Sabonis his career was cut by COmmunist governmente nto allowign him to go to usa when he was in his 20s and by a lot of severe knee injruys.

he still managed to be 15/10 in his very late 30s

imagine him joining the league HEALTY when he should.

Ill go up and say drexler woudl have some more rings in hsi fingers and Jordan some less.

I just knew some how you would fit Sabonis in there. Sigh! He was 34 when he averaged 16 and then what are you talking about very late 30's. C'mon crooner stick to the topic. We all know you think Sabonis is the greatest thing to ever touch a basketball.

Swashcuff
03-07-2010, 11:57 PM
If injuryes never happened Kellog and King woudl have joined MJ, MJ II and Bird in the top 5 of 80s players.

What made you think Kellogg could be that good. He was nothing more that a probly a better version of Shawn Marion. With King you have a better argument but yet still he would have never been considered as a top 5 player all time. Thats really far-fetched.

FNM BOY
03-08-2010, 12:02 AM
Not injury but death....Reggie Lewis Boston Celtics....he was a baller!!!

albertc86
03-08-2010, 12:23 AM
Always wondered why Clark Kellog is in the 2K video games.

I would've guessed he was the founder of the cereal.

blacknell
03-08-2010, 12:38 AM
penny he was on the verge of being the greatest PG off all time

Chronz
03-08-2010, 12:42 AM
I just knew some how you would fit Sabonis in there. Sigh! He was 34 when he averaged 16 and then what are you talking about very late 30's. C'mon crooner stick to the topic. We all know you think Sabonis is the greatest thing to ever touch a basketball.

thats kind of his point. the fact that he was so good at such an advanced age provides insight to his potential in his youth. but even hc undersells his ability. if u look up his advanced stats he was a legend in those 30mpg.

i dont think kellog was that good tho

Hellcrooner
03-08-2010, 01:08 AM
What made you think Kellogg could be that good. He was nothing more that a probly a better version of Shawn Marion. With King you have a better argument but yet still he would have never been considered as a top 5 player all time. Thats really far-fetched.

Far Fetched? King was in Mvp COnversations over Bird , M malone, Julius and Magic when he broke down.:rolleyes:

And bout Sabonis.

Just go find the 88 olympic games and see him CHEW UP the Admiral like if he was some scrub.

The only dude that could have given a Healthy sabonis joining in his 20s the nba some problems would be Shaq because of his brutal strenght.

DCLAFAN
03-08-2010, 01:33 AM
I know you guys are talking basketball, since its not specified in the thread I will go with Bo Jackson, plus Bo knows basketball too.

JDMac80
03-08-2010, 09:46 AM
drazen petrovic

CQSox305
03-08-2010, 10:02 AM
I would have liked to have seen more of Penny. Really liked him back in the mid 90's.

Swashcuff
03-08-2010, 10:32 AM
Far Fetched? King was in Mvp COnversations over Bird , M malone, Julius and Magic when he broke down.:rolleyes:

And bout Sabonis.

Just go find the 88 olympic games and see him CHEW UP the Admiral like if he was some scrub.

The only dude that could have given a Healthy sabonis joining in his 20s the nba some problems would be Shaq because of his brutal strenght.

Stick to the topic! We had this discussion already and you are just repeating yourself over and over. I heard, I read, I saw I know who Sabonis is and what he accomplished before he came to the NBA but this discussion doesn't include him.

King was in MVP conversations with all those guys you mentioned NOT over. He would have been great no where near top 5. Why didn't you defend your Kellogg point though?

Swashcuff
03-08-2010, 10:36 AM
thats kind of his point. the fact that he was so good at such an advanced age provides insight to his potential in his youth. but even hc undersells his ability. if u look up his advanced stats he was a legend in those 30mpg.

i dont think kellog was that good tho

but that was the only season in which he averaged 15+ and 34 aint that old. In big man years yes but he said it as if Sabonis was 39. He was definitely a very good basketballer in his hay day but he doesn't need to be part of this discussion.

alexander_37
03-08-2010, 10:42 AM
Tmac, he was considered by many on the same level as Kobe and by some better. He is and was a better passer a better scorer. If he could have stayed healthy he could have went down as a top 10 all time player.

bradyoverrated
03-08-2010, 10:52 AM
len bias

reggie lewis

larry bird

tracy mcgrady

Hellcrooner
03-08-2010, 10:52 AM
but that was the only season in which he averaged 15+ and 34 aint that old. In big man years yes but he said it as if Sabonis was 39. He was definitely a very good basketballer in his hay day but he doesn't need to be part of this discussion.

Arent we talking bout players whose prime was cut short by injuryes?

Then he fits the bill.


If we were talkng bout players whose Career was cut short as in had to retire because of injury then he wouldnt.

Big Zo
03-08-2010, 10:58 AM
Me. :(

Swashcuff
03-08-2010, 11:21 AM
Arent we talking bout players whose prime was cut short by injuryes?

Then he fits the bill.


If we were talkng bout players whose Career was cut short as in had to retire because of injury then he wouldnt.

So what you are basically say is that the reason his "greatness" didnt translate in the NBA is because he was injured? Because from all what you said before it was based on his age more than him being injured.

Swashcuff
03-08-2010, 11:22 AM
penny he was on the verge of being the greatest PG off all time

thats a bit of a stretch

BOSTON617
03-08-2010, 11:31 AM
len bias

that one is the absolute worse didnt even play a game :(

HammerHead1
03-08-2010, 12:35 PM
If Chuck was in shape his whole career, man...

Oh wait, was he ever in real good shape? :/

masalex1205
03-08-2010, 12:58 PM
Magic Johnson, the ultimate "injury".

wow

Hellcrooner
03-08-2010, 01:08 PM
Not, the ultimate injury is Ricky berrys , Bobby Phils, Dratzen and Reggie Lewis ones.


Mmm Bobby Hurley and J Williams?

castan_b
03-08-2010, 01:23 PM
keith priemeu

MJ-BULLS
03-08-2010, 01:31 PM
well, the player that is on top of my list is Grant Hill.

But theres a ton of players too, Penny is one good example.

Hellcrooner
03-08-2010, 01:36 PM
Rudy tomjanovic should be in this list.

And whats even more funny is the Kermit W punch killed BOTH careers

Rudy for the Jaw injury and Kermits own career wich was promising but eh never got forgiven around the league because of the incident

arkanian215
03-08-2010, 01:38 PM
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Drazen Petrovic
Brad Daugherty

balls.

raidersrock99
03-08-2010, 01:40 PM
c web.....bobby hurley...sam bowie...jay williams

Hellcrooner
03-08-2010, 01:47 PM
Cant believe i forgot this dude.

RAlLPH FREAKING SAMPSOn!!!!!

WilymoPena
03-08-2010, 01:56 PM
Danny Manning, Reggie Lewis, Tim Hardaway, Arvydas Sabonis, Rik Smits

BigWheel12
03-08-2010, 02:07 PM
How about a shout out for my boy Jay Williams ...

Chronz
03-08-2010, 03:55 PM
but that was the only season in which he averaged 15+ and 34 aint that old. In big man years yes but he said it as if Sabonis was 39. He was definitely a very good basketballer in his hay day but he doesn't need to be part of this discussion.
Him not playing in the NBA till he was so old probably helped but not more than his injuries took away from his game.

He averaged 16-10-3 at 34
I dont know of too many players who achieved that mark. The ones that did are in the HOF



So what you are basically say is that the reason his "greatness" didnt translate in the NBA is because he was injured? Because from all what you said before it was based on his age more than him being injured.
He got injured before entering the NBA, what you saw of him at age 34 was him at a reduced level of play and still put up All-Star stats in 30MPG.

Swashcuff
03-08-2010, 07:07 PM
Him not playing in the NBA till he was so old probably helped but not more than his injuries took away from his game.

He averaged 16-10-3 at 34
I dont know of too many players who achieved that mark. The ones that did are in the HOF



He got injured before entering the NBA, what you saw of him at age 34 was him at a reduced level of play and still put up All-Star stats in 30MPG.

I know he was a shell of his former self, slower, less agile etc. But that had more to do with his age and his size than anything else. You guys have a valid point but it was not the kind of injury that caused him to stop playing it slowed his mobility which was already on the decline. Injured or not he was not going to be the same player he was before seeing that he pushing 30s.

xbrackattackx
03-08-2010, 07:21 PM
Danny Manning, Reggie Lewis, Tim Hardaway, Arvydas Sabonis, Rik Smits

:clap: that's a nice list. Mine would be these and Penny,Hill and Jay Willams

Raph12
03-08-2010, 08:21 PM
Idk if it's been said, but you could add Amare to the list.

Swashcuff
03-08-2010, 08:24 PM
Idk if it's been said, but you could add Amare to the list.

Yes it has been i dont really agree. Care to explain because as of recent Amar'e has been playing like the player of old and is the main reason the suns are 14-4 in their last 18.

Maine_Arvie89
03-08-2010, 08:36 PM
Hank Gathers, Bernard King & every guy the 1st post said & Hawkeye 15....

Most Notable NFL player that should be on this list- BO JACKSON! BO- knows!

Maine_Arvie89
03-08-2010, 08:46 PM
Oh yeah how could I forget the Legend........Earl "The Goat" Manigault

kblo247
03-08-2010, 08:50 PM
No one mentioned James Worthy blowing out his knee in the period after Magic and Kareem and before Shaq and Kobe.

Penny, Francis, and Hill were the most recent that come to mind though

Damela
03-08-2010, 09:02 PM
Len Bias

I'm kinda young but wasn't he suppose to me like Micheal Jordan good but died because of drugs or something.

ragee
03-08-2010, 09:02 PM
Penny :(

ldc62
03-08-2010, 09:31 PM
Tmac was just declining (still good tho). Im going to go with Grant Hill. Didn't they say he was like Mike, only better?

Aapox
03-08-2010, 09:42 PM
Yao Ming imo.

C_Mund
03-08-2010, 10:21 PM
If you think that Sabonis was slowed by age and not injury, then couldn't you make the same case for Grant Hill?
Before multiple knee and back injuries Sabonis used to break backboards. He came to the nba as a fancy-passing hook-shooter. That's injury, not a couple years under the belt.
Also: I really liked Larry Johnson on the Hornets, but his back injury turned him into, well, a Knick.
haha, just kidding, sorry knick fans. I'm just still upset that he banked that three against the raps in the playoffs (2000?)

Raph12
03-08-2010, 10:55 PM
Yes it has been i dont really agree. Care to explain because as of recent Amar'e has been playing like the player of old and is the main reason the suns are 14-4 in their last 18.

Amare doesn't have the athleticism he did, he's lost a step and can't get up as high as he used to, so yes his prime was cut short.

Raptor-54
03-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Alvin Williams

xxseven72ducexx
03-08-2010, 11:12 PM
len bias...

Chronz
03-09-2010, 03:42 AM
Tmac was just declining (still good tho). Im going to go with Grant Hill. Didn't they say he was like Mike, only better?
Tmac declined BECAUSE of injuries, or do you think its natural for a player to peak at 22? Thats kind of the point of the thread. The fact that he was still good speaks to his ability to adapt, that and his injuries werent as severe, he just had to alter his playing style. You cant alter what Grant Hill had.

DerekRE_3
03-09-2010, 03:42 AM
Chris Webber.

GoatMilk
03-09-2010, 03:52 AM
Bryant Reeves!
Big Country

abe_froman
03-09-2010, 04:01 AM
I'm kinda young but wasn't he suppose to me like Micheal Jordan good but died because of drugs or something.

when he was called that jordan was known as well what think of as jordan...hell mj wasnt even considered best in the league yet.it was still very early in his career(rookie or 2nd year i think was when people started to say he was like/better than mj),so we have to remember the context that the comparison and talk was made.


...anyways bias is ineligible for this thread as he died before playing a single game,not even getting to have a prime(and yes i know people will ignore what i just said and keep naming him after this post)

GoatMilk
03-09-2010, 04:10 AM
Len Bias














;)

GiantYanks56
03-09-2010, 04:16 AM
Allan Houston

Hellcrooner
03-09-2010, 04:58 AM
Has anyone mentioned Larry Grandmama Johnson already?

His back killed his career.

EdGein812
03-09-2010, 06:15 AM
Grant Hill - best player on this list. Guy could do it all.

alencp3
03-09-2010, 06:53 AM
Greg Oden
Blake Griffin
I hope not John Wall

NBA-GMaster
03-09-2010, 07:55 AM
TMAC.. wishing him to recover and be back in his Superstar form.. 20+pts and 6ast per game and his clutch shooting..

Swashcuff
03-09-2010, 10:46 AM
Greg Oden
Blake Griffin
I hope not John Wall

huh? there prime hasn't even begun.

Russollini
03-09-2010, 11:13 AM
Zo to me is till HOF material, but man what he could have done healthy with wade.

Chronz
03-09-2010, 01:51 PM
Yes it has been i dont really agree. Care to explain because as of recent Amar'e has been playing like the player of old and is the main reason the suns are 14-4 in their last 18.

Just imagine Amare now, if he had never lost that explosion.

DirtyThirty
03-09-2010, 02:08 PM
Jermaine O'Neal :(

jmtapia
03-09-2010, 02:12 PM
Grant Hill

Swashcuff
03-09-2010, 02:35 PM
Just imagine Amare now, if he had never lost that explosion.

He is still a great player. As bad as it is it wasn't the most severe injury ever. If anything it shows you that though his insane athletic ability was a great part of his game that's not all that his game is/was based on.

$ NyC $
03-09-2010, 03:38 PM
Jonathon Bender. I remember people saying that he was gonna be an all-time great and then he had those knee problems. He's made a comeback and that's great for him but he never fulfilled that endless potential he had.

It was said he could reach the hoop from half-court with only 3 steps

Swashcuff
03-09-2010, 03:41 PM
Jonathon Bender. I remember people saying that he was gonna be an all-time great and then he had those knee problems. He's made a comeback and that's great for him but he never fulfilled that endless potential he had.

It was said he could reach the hoop from half-court with only 3 steps

Jonathon Bender never had a prime to start with.

$ NyC $
03-09-2010, 09:01 PM
Jonathon Bender never had a prime to start with.

I know but his career was cut short and he never had a chance 2 fulfill his potential.

Ty Fast
03-09-2010, 09:51 PM
Penny Hardaway. the guy was the next magic johnson and it was not to be.
chris webber too