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KnicksorBust
03-03-2010, 10:18 AM
The other thread reminded me of a point that I've brought up before. Take a look at the Thunder's roster:

Durant 21
Westbrook 21
Harden 20
Green 23
Sefolosha 25
Maynor 22
Serge Ibaka 20

A lot of people look at this roster and think "dynasty!" I look at this roster and I think "mistake!" That's 7 players who are 25 and under and 4 are already starters. Too much young depth. I would be actively searching for quality bigs and vets so that this team can develop properly. Durant has already made the jump, why put a ceiling on him making him wait for his teammates? I don't think anyone on that roster is a legit #2 option for a championship team. Get him some help! He can chase a ring for the next decade in OKC if they don't make him sit around for another 2-3 years with this young roster!

LeBroom
03-03-2010, 10:25 AM
Dude, if you think Westbrook is not a legit second option... then you may not have watched much Thunder basketball this season. But, I don't really expect much from anyone, since Westbrook is universally UNDERRATED. But I do agree with you that this team needs a vet or two, who knows what it takes to get to the Promised Land. Though, Durant - Westbrook tandem is very scary already. They just need to get a real STARTING QUALITY CENTER, and like I said, a vet or two (who can still contribute + leadership). Then without a doubt, sky is the limit for this team.

GSW Hoops
03-03-2010, 10:30 AM
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

You must not know much about basketball if you're so eager to trade away young talent in the middle of a fantastic season.

TheKing23
03-03-2010, 10:34 AM
Portland and Atlanta say otherwise.

Swashcuff
03-03-2010, 10:36 AM
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

You must not know much about basketball if you're so eager to trade away young talent in the middle of a fantastic season.

This!

Reddd
03-03-2010, 10:36 AM
Portland and Atlanta say otherwise.

2x

dougie5627
03-03-2010, 10:44 AM
why trade for it when you can pick it up this free agency with **** load of cap space and durant westbrook harden core. i personally would go after a guy like bosh or another dominant big then try to trade jeff green for a center who is defensive minded first and scoring is a bonus or keep green and sign someone like camby for apart or the full mle. camby bosh durant harden westbrook sounds nice

HouRealCoach
03-03-2010, 10:46 AM
Dude they are a inside force from becoming a championship team

Carey
03-03-2010, 11:13 AM
What people have to understand is we are ahead of schedule....This was really suppose to be one more evaluation year and we play such good defense that we've been able to compete. We have really done the same as Portland, did they make a mistake? Presti will add a veteran piece or 2 this offseason while keeping the flexibility financially to keep the core intact.

CELTICS4LYFE
03-03-2010, 11:18 AM
They are on the right track.

+ Already having success.

JasonJohnHorn
03-03-2010, 11:22 AM
All the really need is a little depth on the wing, and two tought rebounders with compitent offensive skill and a defensive mindset. David Lee would be great, and perhaps a Ben Wallace type of guy in the middle. I actually thought last year's trade for Chandler was a good move for them and was surprised when they recinded the trade.

ChiSox219
03-03-2010, 11:28 AM
They have a ton of cap space in a loaded free agency class plus they still have a bunch of draft picks as well.

They are in an excellent position and Presti has done a great job. Maybe you don't recall, he already acquired a defensive minded big that could rebound but Tyson Chandler failed the physical.

kingjak
03-03-2010, 11:37 AM
every teams needs vets in the locker room and in practice, young players dont learn from each other they only compete with each other and try to out do one-another, having vets changes the mindset and opens the mind to simple and small things that makes a huge difference

KnicksorBust
03-03-2010, 11:57 AM
Portland and Atlanta say otherwise.

How is Atlanta the same? They signed Joe Johnson, traded for Bibby, and then traded for Crawford. They didn't let a young core of 7 guys develop together. Either way...

Which one of those teams won the title? Or is a favorite to win this year? Or any year?

clehmun
03-03-2010, 12:12 PM
their problem is not having all the young guys develop together, that is a good thing. Durant is great, but i'm not sure if he's ready to take on the big stage just yet, we haven't seen him in the playoffs much less the finals. basketball wise, time will only do this team good.

what i'm worried about is if OKC can afford all of these guys in 2-3 years. Durant would want a max contract, westbrook would want something close, green and harden would want something like 10 million a year (worth it or not). then they'd have to bring in other veterans.

basketball is not the problem you need to worry about this team. it's the business side, and if OKC can keep this core together throughout their prime, especially when OKC is not a city like LA, or NYC where they can just throw cash everywhere.

KnicksorBust
03-03-2010, 12:23 PM
Dude, if you think Westbrook is not a legit second option... then you may not have watched much Thunder basketball this season. But, I don't really expect much from anyone, since Westbrook is universally UNDERRATED. But I do agree with you that this team needs a vet or two, who knows what it takes to get to the Promised Land. Though, Durant - Westbrook tandem is very scary already. They just need to get a real STARTING QUALITY CENTER, and like I said, a vet or two (who can still contribute + leadership). Then without a doubt, sky is the limit for this team.

I have big concerns that he's a low efficiency scoring PG and the numbers support that. I think he does a lot of things very well and personally I'm a fan. He's not a #2 player though. If the Thunder don't get a better player than Westbrook that team will never accomplish anything in the playoffs.


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

You must not know much about basketball if you're so eager to trade away young talent in the middle of a fantastic season.

I'm trying so hard to learn though. Please help me. :D Trading players while their value is high. That's not good business. I thought the "baby" Bulls should have done the same thing when they were rolling with their young core and they didn't cash in and it slowed them down. I'm not a fan of having a large core of young players getting rotation minutes. The Thunder have one of the best players in the world right now and I'd love to give Durant a 10 year window to win rings rather than a 7 year window.

KnicksorBust
03-03-2010, 12:27 PM
What people have to understand is we are ahead of schedule....This was really suppose to be one more evaluation year and we play such good defense that we've been able to compete. We have really done the same as Portland, did they make a mistake? Presti will add a veteran piece or 2 this offseason while keeping the flexibility financially to keep the core intact.

I agree that you are ahead of schedule. Durant didn't want to waste anytime. I'm not sure if it's exactly the same as Portland. Portland has added Andre Miller and Marcus Camby. We'll just have to see this offseason. I'm glad to have a real fan to ask these two questions to:

You really think just adding one vet piece and letting this group grow together would be enough to win a ring?

Do you believe Russell Westbrook is good enough to be that #2 player on a championship team?

mikeman0000
03-03-2010, 12:27 PM
Have you watched the NBA in the past month? Westbrook is becoming a star in front of your eyes. David Lee would be an absolute perfect fit in the offseason and the Thunder will be in the front of the pack next year

DaBUU
03-03-2010, 12:30 PM
i think they're on the right track, no problem adding a couple vets to the mix, but they have to make sure Durant and Westbrook are #1 and #2 options. I wasnt buying into Westbrook up until now, but hes making me a believer. He really is putting it all together. I dont think David Lee fits with them tho, they need someone who plays tough D and scores when he can, thats not Lee.

jsumadchat
03-03-2010, 12:53 PM
westbrook = number 2 on MOST teams
westbrook = number ONE on SOME teams.

you are crazy.

Jaji
03-03-2010, 01:00 PM
I never would have imagined OKC in the playoff hunt even with the phenom that is Kevin Durant. They have overachieved as a team and because of their youth will only get better. This thread does not need to exist.

Jaji
03-03-2010, 01:01 PM
Have you watched the NBA in the past month? Westbrook is becoming a star in front of your eyes. David Lee would be an absolute perfect fit in the offseason and the Thunder will be in the front of the pack next year

Dude where the eff did you get that sig? That's insane!

dirk206
03-03-2010, 01:31 PM
Yeah, I think you have to cut Russell Westbrook some slack, he's only 21, I don't know if you can judge if the guy can be a legit #2 scorer in just 2 years of work. As of right now, I'd definitely point toward yes. The baby Bulls I think are a completely different story, the Chicago franchise were banking on Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry to carry that team and neither of them had a great first year, the core of Thunder (Durant, Green, & Westbrook) have proven themselves in the league already.

Carey
03-03-2010, 01:33 PM
I agree that you are ahead of schedule. Durant didn't want to waste anytime. I'm not sure if it's exactly the same as Portland. Portland has added Andre Miller and Marcus Camby. We'll just have to see this offseason. I'm glad to have a real fan to ask these two questions to:

You really think just adding one vet piece and letting this group grow together would be enough to win a ring?

Do you believe Russell Westbrook is good enough to be that #2 player on a championship team?

This summer for us is like Portland's last summer, I wasnt a fan of them spending money just to spend it with the Hedo and Millsap courting but i think Miller will work out well now....I think Presti will try his hardest to bring in a legit post presence and maybe another lower caliber wing player that can give KD and Jeff more rest. As far as Westbrook, i dont think he's a #2 player on a championship team yet but i think he will get there, He's added a mid range jumper around the free throw line to the key thats pretty effective, he's unfairly stronger then other pg's in the league, his play making gets better and better. Once we get a player we can dump the ball into your gonna see an increase in everyone's effectiveness across the board. Ibaka is gonna be a player, at the least he'll be what we thought we were getting in Tyson Chandler, Harden is a playmaker, scorer, shooter all in one, i think he'll be a double digit scorer and solid all arond player in the league. Maynor is solid and will just get better as he becomes a better shooter and gets stronger. Mullens is a wildcard in a couple years. So yes i do think this core will eventually compete with a post presence with them.

jsumadchat
03-03-2010, 01:47 PM
Dude where the eff did you get that sig? That's insane!

the phenomenon that is "Jersey Shore" my friend. get out from under that rock, and fist pump like a champ.

KnicksorBust
03-03-2010, 04:21 PM
Have you watched the NBA in the past month? Westbrook is becoming a star in front of your eyes. David Lee would be an absolute perfect fit in the offseason and the Thunder will be in the front of the pack next year

Yeah he's jumped all the way to the 7th best PG in the league. :clap: A hot month doesn't still take away from the fact that he's still a low efficiency scoring PG who brings a lot to the table but also takes things away as well. He'll be great if he can be a teams 3/4 option but not top 2.


i think they're on the right track, no problem adding a couple vets to the mix, but they have to make sure Durant and Westbrook are #1 and #2 options. I wasnt buying into Westbrook up until now, but hes making me a believer. He really is putting it all together. I dont think David Lee fits with them tho, they need someone who plays tough D and scores when he can, thats not Lee.

I only agree about Lee if they can get a Perkins/Varejeo/Noah type of big man next to him. Otherwise Lee will mess up their chemistry on the defensive end.


westbrook = number 2 on MOST teams
westbrook = number ONE on SOME teams.

you are crazy.

Wow he'd be the best player on the worst teams in the league? That's impressive.



I never would have imagined OKC in the playoff hunt even with the phenom that is Kevin Durant. They have overachieved as a team and because of their youth will only get better. This thread does not need to exist.

What's a shame is that in 3 years if they haven't added anyone better than Westbrook, and they are still a middle seed who can't break through, I'm going to have no one to laugh at when I'm right.


Yeah, I think you have to cut Russell Westbrook some slack, he's only 21, I don't know if you can judge if the guy can be a legit #2 scorer in just 2 years of work. As of right now, I'd definitely point toward yes. The baby Bulls I think are a completely different story, the Chicago franchise were banking on Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry to carry that team and neither of them had a great first year, the core of Thunder (Durant, Green, & Westbrook) have proven themselves in the league already.

It's a fair point. The baby Bulls had Chandler/Curry/Deng/Gordon/Hinrich. People thought they were building a dynasty. How'd that turn out? The one thing that I agree is different is none of those Bulls were on Durant's level. That's why it'd be even more of a waste to saddle Durant with 22 year old starting teammates while he's already playing at an elite level.

KnicksorBust
03-03-2010, 04:23 PM
This summer for us is like Portland's last summer, I wasnt a fan of them spending money just to spend it with the Hedo and Millsap courting but i think Miller will work out well now....I think Presti will try his hardest to bring in a legit post presence and maybe another lower caliber wing player that can give KD and Jeff more rest. As far as Westbrook, i dont think he's a #2 player on a championship team yet but i think he will get there, He's added a mid range jumper around the free throw line to the key thats pretty effective, he's unfairly stronger then other pg's in the league, his play making gets better and better. Once we get a player we can dump the ball into your gonna see an increase in everyone's effectiveness across the board. Ibaka is gonna be a player, at the least he'll be what we thought we were getting in Tyson Chandler, Harden is a playmaker, scorer, shooter all in one, i think he'll be a double digit scorer and solid all arond player in the league. Maynor is solid and will just get better as he becomes a better shooter and gets stronger. Mullens is a wildcard in a couple years. So yes i do think this core will eventually compete with a post presence with them.

Nice inside perspective and fair enough on your first point. I'll have to wait for the summer. I'll be very interested to see what Presti does with that cap space. Do Thunder fans have any big plans/ideas?

Carey
03-03-2010, 05:04 PM
Nice inside perspective and fair enough on your first point. I'll have to wait for the summer. I'll be very interested to see what Presti does with that cap space. Do Thunder fans have any big plans/ideas?

It's tough because i think the Bosh's and Stoudamire's are too expensive and probably wouldnt come to OKC anyway. D Lee would be the appropriate price tag but doesnt give you the post presence, but he does pretty much everything else well. Ideally we'd like it to be a center but it's not too many 7 ft post presences out there, and the one's that are will be very very tough to get. A guy i'd be happy with would be Andrew Bogut, solid post presence, tough, defends the paint, not overly expensive long term. So basically someone of that caliber.

sf-fanatic
03-03-2010, 05:16 PM
I have big concerns that he's a low efficiency scoring PG and the numbers support that. I think he does a lot of things very well and personally I'm a fan. He's not a #2 player though. If the Thunder don't get a better player than Westbrook that team will never accomplish anything in the playoffs.



I'm trying so hard to learn though. Please help me. :D Trading players while their value is high. That's not good business. I thought the "baby" Bulls should have done the same thing when they were rolling with their young core and they didn't cash in and it slowed them down. I'm not a fan of having a large core of young players getting rotation minutes. The Thunder have one of the best players in the world right now and I'd love to give Durant a 10 year window to win rings rather than a 7 year window.


how would bringing in vets increase durants window to win rings? it would only shorten his window however it would increase his chances in the short term

Baller1
03-03-2010, 05:21 PM
Nice inside perspective and fair enough on your first point. I'll have to wait for the summer. I'll be very interested to see what Presti does with that cap space. Do Thunder fans have any big plans/ideas?

Brendan Haywood, Kendrick Perkins, or Andrew Bogut.

One simple addition like this would put this team over the top, and I truly believe that.

Honestly, this isn't even me trying to be a homer or anything like that; but, the Thunder truly are one essential piece away from a championship team/dynasty.

-Top 5 player and unprecedented superstar. Check (Durant)
-Star PG (On his way to superstardom) to run the offense. Check (Westbrook)
-A "Do-It-All" player who can play on both sides of the ball. Check (Green)
-A premiere defensive specialist. Check (Sefalosha)
-A "down-and-dirty" player who will hustle and bang on every play. Check (Nick Collison)
-Solid scorer off the bench. Check (Harden)

And I just want to throw it out there for those who don't get to see the Thunder play too often. Eric Maynor (who is also a rookie) is a very good back-up PG who plays defense and has great vision. I think Utah fans can attest to this. One last guy I want to give some credit to, is Serge Ibaka. This kid can really play, and the best part? He's just a pup, another rookie.

A few intangibles I want to throw out:
1. This team is very quick and long. They are all extremely lengthy and get their hands all over passes throughout the game.
2. Defense wins Championships. Simple. The Thunder play defense.
3. They are the youngest team in the league.

With that said, this team lacks one true aspect of a dynasty. And that's a defensive enforcer. We lack intimidation down low. That's where Perkins, Haywood, or Bogut comes in.

Honestly, I could go on for days about this team. They really are special and it kills me to see them in OKC and not Seattle. But hey, regardless of where they are, they're going to cause problems for the rest of the league.

Tribe
03-03-2010, 05:26 PM
Well if trading away a key player on the roster was the only option then NO i would leave it and let them develop together...but thru free agency to bring in a joe johnson or carlos boozer type and this team would be top 4 or 5 in the west

hoopitup
03-03-2010, 05:29 PM
IS THIS A SERIOUS THREAD? I guess this is the kind of thread a Knicks fan would start... Maybe Lebron will sign with the Thunder that will give them a decent second option.

tredigs
03-03-2010, 05:33 PM
Brendan Haywood, Kendrick Perkins, or Andrew Bogut.

One simple addition like this would put this team over the top, and I truly believe that.

Honestly, this isn't even me trying to be a homer or anything like that; but, the Thunder truly are one essential piece away from a championship team/dynasty.

-Top 5 player and unprecedented superstar. Check (Durant)
-Star PG (On his way to superstardom) to run the offense. Check (Westbrook)
-A "Do-It-All" player who can play on both sides of the ball. Check (Green)
-A premiere defensive specialist. Check (Sefalosha)
-A "down-and-dirty" player who will hustle and bang on every play. Check (Nick Collison)
-Solid scorer off the bench. Check (Harden)

And I just want to throw it out there for those who don't get to see the Thunder play too often. Eric Maynor (who is also a rookie) is a very good back-up PG who plays defense and has great vision. I think Utah fans can attest to this. One last guy I want to give some credit to, is Serge Ibaka. This kid can really play, and the best part? He's just a pup, another rookie.

A few intangibles I want to throw out:
1. This team is very quick and long. They are all extremely lengthy and get their hands all over passes throughout the game.
2. Defense wins Championships. Simple. The Thunder play defense.
3. They are the youngest team in the league.

With that said, this team lacks one true aspect of a dynasty. And that's a defensive enforcer. We lack intimidation down low. That's where Perkins, Haywood, or Bogut comes in.

Honestly, I could go on for days about this team. They really are special and it kills me to see them in OKC and not Seattle. But hey, regardless of where they are, they're going to cause problems for the rest of the league.

One thing they also lack is a solid second option shooter who ideally could also defend. I talked about this in another thread, but Nicolas Batum would be PERFECT for this team. Besides Durant, they have no reliable shooters [Green can score in flurries, and Westbrook has a slash to the hoop/pull up jumper that kills, but nobody can really shoot well, including Harden]. A player like Morrow would also be real nice on their team. I think the personalities of both him and Batum would be an ideal fit for that team, too. Young, hungry, and willing to work with their teammates. That said, as a Warriors fan it would kill me to lose the best 3pt shooter I've seen in this generation.

Add a relatively inexpensive player like one of those two along with a player like Joakim Noah, and you've got yourself an immediate contender going into the 2010-11 season.

And I wouldn't worry too much about Westbrook being able to run that offense on a title run, that kid is going to be a superstar.

JOSKOMANG4
03-03-2010, 05:34 PM
I honestly believe they will be extremely active this offseason!! I would love for them to make a push for Chris Bosh. Bosh is a native of Texas and maybe the idea of playing for a team closer to his home state may, well in fact, intrigue him to come aboard. Not to mention the strides that this team has made so far this season(currently 6th in the Western Conference).

Lineup W/Bosh next season

C) Kristic/Mullins/Ibaka
PF) Bosh/Collison/DJ White
SF) J.Green/Sefolosha
SG) K.Durant/J.Harden(6th man)/K.Weaver
PG) R.Westbrook/E.Maynor

With the possible acquisition of Bosh.. I can see this team jumping ahead, IMO, of both Utah & Denver in the midwest division; as possible a 2-3 seed in the Western Conference.

Baller1
03-03-2010, 05:46 PM
One thing they also lack is a solid second option shooter who ideally could also defend. I talked about this in another thread, but Nicolas Batum would be PERFECT for this team. Besides Durant, they have no reliable shooters [Green can score in flurries, and Westbrook has a slash to the hoop/pull up jumper that kills, but nobody can really shoot well, including Harden]. A player like Morrow would also be real nice on their team. I think the personalities of both him and Batum would be an ideal fit for that team, too. Young, hungry, and willing to work with their teammates. That said, as a Warriors fan it would kill me to lose the best 3pt shooter I've seen in this generation.

Add a relatively inexpensive player like one of those two along with a player like Joakim Noah, and you've got yourself an immediate contender going into the 2010-11 season.

And I wouldn't worry too much about Westbrook being able to run that offense on a title run, that kid is going to be a superstar.

I agree that they don't have that "shooter" that you are referring to. But, don't forget that Harden is only a rookie. This kid can really shoot the ball. Now, I'm not saying I would be against signing a Batum/Morrow type, but I think Harden will be that guy eventually. And Presti seems to think the same about Harden as well. For example, look at the strides Westbrook has made from his rookie season up until now. Experience really does play a large role in the efficiency of a player, and I think that's all Harden needs. By this time next season, I think Harden will be "that guy" that you are referring to.

Regardless though, I'd love to see OKC pick up Morrow or Batum. People seem to overlook the small moves sometimes, and that's sometimes all a team really needs. If the Thunder add that enforcer down low, and a reliable shooter (whether they add one or Harden becomes that player), I really don't see this team having any weaknesses.

Sadds The Gr8
03-03-2010, 05:53 PM
their problem is not having all the young guys develop together, that is a good thing. Durant is great, but i'm not sure if he's ready to take on the big stage just yet, we haven't seen him in the playoffs much less the finals. basketball wise, time will only do this team good.

what i'm worried about is if OKC can afford all of these guys in 2-3 years. Durant would want a max contract, westbrook would want something close, green and harden would want something like 10 million a year (worth it or not). then they'd have to bring in other veterans.

basketball is not the problem you need to worry about this team. it's the business side, and if OKC can keep this core together throughout their prime, especially when OKC is not a city like LA, or NYC where they can just throw cash everywhere.

This is what the thread topic should be about, because this makes sense. The OP's topic makes absolutely no sense. How the hell can you determine whether Westbrook could be a 2nd option on a championship team when the guy is only a freaking sophomore!!!!! Give Westbrook as well as the rest of the young guys time to develop, before you jump to stupid conclusions like that...

The only move that would make sense is if PHX did sign and trade with OKC with Amare for Harden and someone else. I think Amare woulde put them over the top, and Harden would be able to grow with a PHX team that clearly wants to rebuild in the future, seeing as everyone as well as themselves sees Amare leaving. Otherwise, Harden would just be coming off the bench, and i dont think he'll like that.

tredigs
03-03-2010, 05:55 PM
I agree that they don't have that "shooter" that you are referring to. But, don't forget that Harden is only a rookie. This kid can really shoot the ball. Now, I'm not saying I would be against signing a Batum/Morrow type, but I think Harden will be that guy eventually. And Presti seems to think the same about Harden as well. For example, look at the strides Westbrook has made from his rookie season up until now. Experience really does play a large role in the efficiency of a player, and I think that's all Harden needs. By this time next season, I think Harden will be "that guy" that you are referring to.

Regardless though, I'd love to see OKC pick up Morrow or Batum. People seem to overlook the small moves sometimes, and that's sometimes all a team really needs. If the Thunder add that enforcer down low, and a reliable shooter (whether they add one or Harden becomes that player), I really don't see this team having any weaknesses.

You definitely could be right about Harden, he's shown those flashes without a doubt. And he IS going to improve. But this team could be ready for the championship run in the very near future, so adding another guy who has already proven to have that capability could only help. Barring that they get that new big in town, it would be a dynamite 7-9 man rotation.

I hope they do, too. Easily my second favorite team to watch. And in a lot of ways my favorite, because watching the injury plague / Nellie wash my team into the ground is killer.

Sadds The Gr8
03-03-2010, 05:57 PM
I honestly believe they will be extremely active this offseason!! I would love for them to make a push for Chris Bosh. Bosh is a native of Texas and maybe the idea of playing for a team closer to his home state may, well in fact, intrigue him to come aboard. Not to mention the strides that this team has made so far this season(currently 6th in the Western Conference).

Lineup W/Bosh next season

C) Kristic/Mullins/Ibaka
PF) Bosh/Collison/DJ White
SF) J.Green/Sefolosha
SG) K.Durant/J.Harden(6th man)/K.Weaver
PG) R.Westbrook/E.Maynor

With the possible acquisition of Bosh.. I can see this team jumping ahead, IMO, of both Utah & Denver in the midwest division; as possible a 2-3 seed in the Western Conference.

Durant says he hates playing the 2, so I doubt this would work, unless Bosh plays the 5, but he hates playing the 5 too, I'd know:D

Baller1
03-03-2010, 05:59 PM
You definitely could be right about Harden, he's shown those flashes without a doubt. And he IS going to improve. But this team could be ready for the championship run in the very near future, so adding another guy who has already proven to have that capability could only help. Barring that they get that new big in town, it would be a dynamite 7-9 man rotation.

I hope they do, too. Easily my second favorite team to watch. And in a lot of ways my favorite, because watching the injury plague / Nellie wash my team into the ground is killer.

That's exactly why I wouldn't be against signing teh aformentioned players. This team is so close, and unfortunately there's no way to determine if (I think it's "when") Harden will become the reliable shooter this team needs. But, either way I think the Thunder are in a win-win situation here.

Yeah, the Warriors have had some bad luck. But, you can look at it as a way for Curry to show off and prove he was picked too low. It'd be nice to have him on the Thunder right now.

jim51990
03-03-2010, 06:01 PM
if they had a decent center like (perkins type) id say they could contend for a title right now

magichatnumber9
03-03-2010, 06:07 PM
Right Now is the greatest time to be a Zombies fan.

smith&wesson
03-03-2010, 06:13 PM
A mistake ??

were talking about a team that had decided to rebuild before they even left seatle. since then they have scouted and drafted very talented yonge players and have a great core for years to come!! A mistake is not what i would call it. Possible GM of the year i would consider. okc has done an amazing job ... hats off to them. if you watch there games you know that the team is going to be great for years to come.

heatking
03-03-2010, 06:16 PM
The crazy thing about the thunder is that they can grab a chris bosh or an amare next season if they wished. They are a dynasty in the making.

HouRealCoach
03-03-2010, 06:27 PM
The Thunder need to sign Bosh and trade for Thabeet and use those second rounders to get Parakhowski, Vasques, Vanardo or any other College phenoms that could fit in with them.

heathonater
03-03-2010, 06:38 PM
okc is on track to be a great team for many years. for now, they need to make sure to keep durant and westbrook together for many years. after this year, they should try to trade for a good big. the northwest division is going to be a top division for many years to come.

BKNets
03-03-2010, 07:32 PM
I'm trying so hard to learn though. Please help me. :D Trading players while their value is high. That's not good business. I thought the "baby" Bulls should have done the same thing when they were rolling with their young core and they didn't cash in and it slowed them down. I'm not a fan of having a large core of young players getting rotation minutes. The Thunder have one of the best players in the world right now and I'd love to give Durant a 10 year window to win rings rather than a 7 year window.

A major quantitative difference between the pre-Rose Bulls and the Thunder is that the Thunder actually have a decent core, whereas the Bulls made intelligent (notice the sarcasm) decisions leading up to their squalor, such as trading Elton Brand (:shrug:.) Yes, it's easy to say that Brand's not playing up to his potential currently, but he was when he was with the Clips (and should have been with the Bulls.) What young (Bulls) pieces are you referring to? Noah? Hinrich? Tyrus Thomas? No disrespect to those three, but I would take (at least) Brook Lopez over Noah, a few pg's before Hinrich (yes, I know he's good, but look at the pg depth in the league,) and a chair over Tyrus Thomas. Let me correct that. An athletic chair. I mean, honestly, there's a whole lot more talent on the Thunder right now then there has been on the Bulls for some time, possibly even now (excluding Rose.) So...where's the correlation, again?

p.s. http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/Chicago_Bulls_History-24393-42.html?nav=ArticleList#22

Read that and tell me the Bulls aren't out of their minds. Or this blurb: "A change was needed and on February 19, it was delivered in the form of a seven-player trade. The Bulls acquired Jalen Rose, Travis Best and Norman Richardson from the Indiana Pacers for Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Ron Mercer and Kevin Ollie." Come on. The Bulls have been pounding themselves in the butt for a few years, now.


I agree that you are ahead of schedule. Durant didn't want to waste anytime. I'm not sure if it's exactly the same as Portland. Portland has added Andre Miller and Marcus Camby. We'll just have to see this offseason. I'm glad to have a real fan to ask these two questions to:

You really think just adding one vet piece and letting this group grow together would be enough to win a ring?

Do you believe Russell Westbrook is good enough to be that #2 player on a championship team?

First, It's extremely similar to where the Blazers were last year. They are just starting to shed the excess young players for vets. Second, what exactly qualifies the person you were responding to as a "real fan," or furthermore, what excludes the rest of us? I love elitists. I'm too lazy to look back, but I hope I'm wrong and he's just a Thunder fan you're trying to get an inside look from.

kozelkid
03-03-2010, 07:42 PM
The other thread reminded me of a point that I've brought up before. Take a look at the Thunder's roster:

Durant 21
Westbrook 21
Harden 20
Green 23
Sefolosha 25
Maynor 22
Serge Ibaka 20

A lot of people look at this roster and think "dynasty!" I look at this roster and I think "mistake!" That's 7 players who are 25 and under and 4 are already starters. Too much young depth. I would be actively searching for quality bigs and vets so that this team can develop properly. Durant has already made the jump, why put a ceiling on him making him wait for his teammates? I don't think anyone on that roster is a legit #2 option for a championship team. Get him some help! He can chase a ring for the next decade in OKC if they don't make him sit around for another 2-3 years with this young roster!

I completely agree.
Personally I think they should get rid of Green. He is playing out of position and rather poorly as well. Maybe they can get an Amare or Boozer. A defensive center would be nice as well...


Portland and Atlanta say otherwise.

Huh? Atlanta did trade for vets.
As for Portland, they'll soon be kicking themselves for NOT trading for vets. They already wasted Lafrentz's expiring and are at risk of losing Rudy now. That's a team that desperately needs to convert some young players to veterans if they ever want to be contenders. Cause so far they appear to have a 1-2 punch of Roy and LMA. And LMA is not exactly a very good 2nd option.

tredigs
03-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Concerning defensive/rebounding bigs, can't forget the wild card that they already have on their team in Serge Ibaka. That kid is only 20, and is an insane athlete at 6'10". If he continues to develop, he'll be a player that offenses will dread to see down low. Reminds me a lot of Emeka Okafor. But a leaner, more athletic, yet more raw version.

dirk206
03-03-2010, 09:17 PM
Yeah he's jumped all the way to the 7th best PG in the league. :clap: A hot month doesn't still take away from the fact that he's still a low efficiency scoring PG who brings a lot to the table but also takes things away as well. He'll be great if he can be a teams 3/4 option but not top 2.



I only agree about Lee if they can get a Perkins/Varejeo/Noah type of big man next to him. Otherwise Lee will mess up their chemistry on the defensive end.



Wow he'd be the best player on the worst teams in the league? That's impressive.




What's a shame is that in 3 years if they haven't added anyone better than Westbrook, and they are still a middle seed who can't break through, I'm going to have no one to laugh at when I'm right.



It's a fair point. The baby Bulls had Chandler/Curry/Deng/Gordon/Hinrich. People thought they were building a dynasty. How'd that turn out? The one thing that I agree is different is none of those Bulls were on Durant's level. That's why it'd be even more of a waste to saddle Durant with 22 year old starting teammates while he's already playing at an elite level.

One thing to note is the supposed dynasty of Chandler/Curry/Deng/Gordon/Hinrich got to play a total of 1 year together as a team and that was the 04/05 season. i don't think you can really call that a dynasty because a lot of them had yet to come into their own, if you want to call that a dynasty then what do we call the LA Clippers with all the talent they had in the past?

Also "Saddle him (Durant) with 22 year old starting teammates while he's already playing at an elite level"? Kevin Durant is 21, the man hasn't even reached his prime, not by a long shot. The thing Sam Presti is doing is very smart, something the Cleveland Cavaliers could learn from (even though they are in 1st place), it's allowing their star player to grow as a player with his teammates who could very well be with him for years to come. I think Jeff Green, James Harden and Russell Westbrook could be just as important to the OKC Thunder's success as Kevin Durant and that is the point. When Kevin Durant is free agent, he's going to see a team that is ready to make a run at the title for years to come, let alone, who like him have their better years still ahead of them and I think that will look very attractive to Kevin Durant come FA time. Now back to my point with Cleveland, they've made trades to make their team better but when Lebron James looks at that team come free agency, while the money is obviously there, what makes him look at that team and say, man, I want to come back. As far as young, up and coming, building block players, there is absolutely nobody. Mo Williams, JJ Hickson, Antawn Jamison, Daniel Gibson, and Anderson Varejao are sure as hell not going to make me want to resign with them. Plus their veteran guys who are making an impact now, guys like Shaq, Antawn Jamison, Anthony Parker and Big Z are only getting older and are going to regress sooner or later. To me, what OKC has done (rebuild through the draft) with no significant trades to toot is nothing short of amazing. I think criticizing them for not making trades and not trading away some of that young talent to get immediate impact players now would be a huge mistake and a very hasty move. If a formula is working for you, I personally wouldn't tamper with it.

Cavs_Fan24
03-03-2010, 09:34 PM
I agree they need a few veterans on that roster to become a legit contender, but it doesn't mean they have to get rid of their young guys. Build around them. Especially durant and Westbrook.

GiantMetKnick
03-03-2010, 09:38 PM
I think "making a mistake" is taking it too far.

They didn't exactly pass up on some great offer for a veteran big. I agree that the could make a deal, maybe trade a couple draft picks and maybe Maynor and get a quality veteran. They could also bring in a free agent. I would expect them to make upgrades going into next season, so no, I would not say they are "making a mistake".

I would keep Durant, Wesbrook, Green, and Harden if I can - with Durant and Westbrook being more or less off limits for a trade.

Baller1
03-03-2010, 09:40 PM
Concerning defensive/rebounding bigs, can't forget the wild card that they already have on their team in Serge Ibaka. That kid is only 20, and is an insane athlete at 6'10". If he continues to develop, he'll be a player that offenses will dread to see down low. Reminds me a lot of Emeka Okafor. But a leaner, more athletic, yet more raw version.

I mentioned Ibaka in my earlier post, but didn't proceed to elaborate on him much. This guys really got me excited about his potential. You're right, he's so athletic that there's no way he doesn't find some playing in this league no matter what.


Brendan Haywood, Kendrick Perkins, or Andrew Bogut.

One simple addition like this would put this team over the top, and I truly believe that.

Honestly, this isn't even me trying to be a homer or anything like that; but, the Thunder truly are one essential piece away from a championship team/dynasty.

-Top 5 player and unprecedented superstar. Check (Durant)
-Star PG (On his way to superstardom) to run the offense. Check (Westbrook)
-A "Do-It-All" player who can play on both sides of the ball. Check (Green)
-A premiere defensive specialist. Check (Sefalosha)
-A "down-and-dirty" player who will hustle and bang on every play. Check (Nick Collison)
-Solid scorer off the bench. Check (Harden)

And I just want to throw it out there for those who don't get to see the Thunder play too often. Eric Maynor (who is also a rookie) is a very good back-up PG who plays defense and has great vision. I think Utah fans can attest to this. One last guy I want to give some credit to, is Serge Ibaka. This kid can really play, and the best part? He's just a pup, another rookie.

A few intangibles I want to throw out:
1. This team is very quick and long. They are all extremely lengthy and get their hands all over passes throughout the game.
2. Defense wins Championships. Simple. The Thunder play defense.
3. They are the youngest team in the league.

With that said, this team lacks one true aspect of a dynasty. And that's a defensive enforcer. We lack intimidation down low. That's where Perkins, Haywood, or Bogut comes in.

Honestly, I could go on for days about this team. They really are special and it kills me to see them in OKC and not Seattle. But hey, regardless of where they are, they're going to cause problems for the rest of the league.

Ethix11
03-03-2010, 09:48 PM
They arent going to win anything now and they arent going to keep getting anymore good draft picks. They need a big time Center like Howard and this team can start thinking Dynasty. Somehow if he could be aquired through FA

Ovratd1up
03-03-2010, 09:53 PM
A major quantitative difference between the pre-Rose Bulls and the Thunder is that the Thunder actually have a decent core, whereas the Bulls made intelligent (notice the sarcasm) decisions leading up to their squalor, such as trading Elton Brand (:shrug:.) Yes, it's easy to say that Brand's not playing up to his potential currently, but he was when he was with the Clips (and should have been with the Bulls.) What young (Bulls) pieces are you referring to? Noah? Hinrich? Tyrus Thomas? No disrespect to those three, but I would take (at least) Brook Lopez over Noah, a few pg's before Hinrich (yes, I know he's good, but look at the pg depth in the league,) and a chair over Tyrus Thomas. Let me correct that. An athletic chair. I mean, honestly, there's a whole lot more talent on the Thunder right now then there has been on the Bulls for some time, possibly even now (excluding Rose.) So...where's the correlation, again?

p.s. http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/Chicago_Bulls_History-24393-42.html?nav=ArticleList#22

Read that and tell me the Bulls aren't out of their minds. Or this blurb: "A change was needed and on February 19, it was delivered in the form of a seven-player trade. The Bulls acquired Jalen Rose, Travis Best and Norman Richardson from the Indiana Pacers for Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Ron Mercer and Kevin Ollie." Come on. The Bulls have been pounding themselves in the butt for a few years, now.


The young core of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, and Nocioni was pretty good with Ben Wallace, which I'm pretty sure he's referring to.

After everyone peaked in 06-07 (of course no one knew it was their peak) they were pretty much the favorites in the East and didn't trade for Kobe, KG, or Gasol (all though not all were the Bulls' fault). Many people thought the core would only get better in the future and it would be wise to keep it in tact. And then 07-08 happened and then they were lucky enough to land Rose with the ninth worst record.

Bishnoff
03-03-2010, 10:12 PM
dude, if you think westbrook is not a legit second option... Then you may not have watched much thunder basketball this season. But, i don't really expect much from anyone, since westbrook is universally underrated. But i do agree with you that this team needs a vet or two, who knows what it takes to get to the promised land. Though, durant - westbrook tandem is very scary already. They just need to get a real starting quality center, and like i said, a vet or two (who can still contribute + leadership). Then without a doubt, sky is the limit for this team.

+1

Draco
03-03-2010, 10:18 PM
A major quantitative difference between the pre-Rose Bulls and the Thunder is that the Thunder actually have a decent core, whereas the Bulls made intelligent (notice the sarcasm) decisions leading up to their squalor, such as trading Elton Brand (:shrug:.) Yes, it's easy to say that Brand's not playing up to his potential currently, but he was when he was with the Clips (and should have been with the Bulls.) What young (Bulls) pieces are you referring to? Noah? Hinrich? Tyrus Thomas? No disrespect to those three, but I would take (at least) Brook Lopez over Noah, a few pg's before Hinrich (yes, I know he's good, but look at the pg depth in the league,) and a chair over Tyrus Thomas. Let me correct that. An athletic chair. I mean, honestly, there's a whole lot more talent on the Thunder right now then there has been on the Bulls for some time, possibly even now (excluding Rose.) So...where's the correlation, again?

Good post explaining exactly how you see talent and what you would do. I doubt it resembles too closely what GMs think and do... Lopez over Noah, sure... that's obvious. The TT jab makes no sense. I'm not sure what you were paying attention to before the trade deadline. Concerning the Thunder.. after Durant there's a steep dropoff in talent. Westbrook, Green, Harden are good but I doubt highly there's much difference between that crew and what the Bulls have in the eyes of GMs.

Baller1
03-03-2010, 10:22 PM
Good post explaining exactly how you see talent and what you would do. I doubt it resembles too closely what GMs think and do... Lopez over Noah, sure... that's obvious. The TT jab makes no sense. I'm not sure what you were paying attention before the trade deadline. Concerning the Thunder.. after Durant there's a steep dropoff in talent. Westbrook, Green, Harden are good but I doubt highly there's much difference between that crew and what the Bulls have in the eyes of GMs.

You obviously haven't seen Westbrook play this past month and a half. He's been incredible.

samxeyeam
03-03-2010, 10:24 PM
I dont necessarily its a "mistake"... I wouldnt be surprised if the FO was shocked the team would do this well this season. BTW portland also traded for vets in Marcus Camby and signed Andre Miller... IMO I dont think its necessary for the team to pick up a vet that can contribute directly by playing but someone who has played on a winning team... By doing this, they can sign someone for a vet minimum and save salary cap space when the core players are due for a new contract... I think a locker room presence might be enough to prepare this team to becoming contenders. I do agree they do need some kind of big men to help out in the paint though.

Draco
03-03-2010, 10:24 PM
You obviously haven't seen Westbrook play this past month and a half. He's been incredible.

At best a Rose/Westbrook comparison is a wash.. and I doubt in the eyes of GMs that any one of them would prefer Westbrook.

cwilson21
03-03-2010, 10:37 PM
Sorry but the OP is the reason why people think New York fans are dumb.

Baller1
03-03-2010, 10:44 PM
At best a Rose/Westbrook comparison is a wash.. and I doubt in the eyes of GMs that any one of them would prefer Westbrook.

In no way did I refer to Rose? Jesus, Rose fans are honestly just pathetic.

kozelkid
03-03-2010, 10:53 PM
In no way did I refer to Rose? Jesus, Rose fans are honestly just pathetic.

I feel the same way with Westbrook fans, or better yet with people that like to make generalizations for a group of people based on one or two people.

Baller1
03-03-2010, 11:11 PM
I feel the same way with Westbrook fans, or better yet with people that like to make generalizations for a group of people based on one or two people.

I'm the only one who will whole-heartedly back up Westbrook, so I guess you're only referring to me there.

And it's not so much a generalization as it is the truth. Just because he's the first all-star since Jordan, doesn't mean he's God's gift to this earth, which is how all Chicago fans hype him up.

kozelkid
03-03-2010, 11:25 PM
I'm the only one who will whole-heartedly back up Westbrook, so I guess you're only referring to me there.

And it's not so much a generalization as it is the truth. Just because he's the first all-star since Jordan, doesn't mean he's God's gift to this earth, which is how all Chicago fans hype him up.

Once again, that's why my response refers to you.
I just love how people dislike a player because of fans. Kinda stupid, actually very stupid.
And no, most reasonable Bulls fans don't think that.
And I'm sure OKC (granted there aren't many people there) fans hype Durant and Westbrook up just as much, just like any fan base for a young, exciting player.

Jaji
03-03-2010, 11:57 PM
I still think this is a dumb thread. I am trying to understand the OP but I just don't see how a team called the Oklahoma City Thunder that is in the playoff hunt can be making a mistake. How dare they overachieve like this!

sargon21
03-04-2010, 01:32 AM
westbrook's not underrated either he shoots like 40-41% from the field

Draco
03-04-2010, 02:54 AM
In no way did I refer to Rose? Jesus, Rose fans are honestly just pathetic.

Then you're not following the post you responded to because I was comparing the Thunder (sans Durant) with the Bulls.

Draco
03-04-2010, 02:59 AM
I feel the same way with Westbrook fans, or better yet with people that like to make generalizations for a group of people based on one or two people.

I think the "Westbrook>Rose" poster simply misunderstood my post.

G-Bay New J
03-04-2010, 03:04 AM
It's close but I would rather have Westbrook on my team.

KnicksorBust
03-04-2010, 08:12 AM
A major quantitative difference between the pre-Rose Bulls and the Thunder is that the Thunder actually have a decent core, whereas the Bulls made intelligent (notice the sarcasm) decisions leading up to their squalor, such as trading Elton Brand (:shrug:.) Yes, it's easy to say that Brand's not playing up to his potential currently, but he was when he was with the Clips (and should have been with the Bulls.) What young (Bulls) pieces are you referring to? Noah? Hinrich? Tyrus Thomas? No disrespect to those three, but I would take (at least) Brook Lopez over Noah, a few pg's before Hinrich (yes, I know he's good, but look at the pg depth in the league,) and a chair over Tyrus Thomas. Let me correct that. An athletic chair. I mean, honestly, there's a whole lot more talent on the Thunder right now then there has been on the Bulls for some time, possibly even now (excluding Rose.) So...where's the correlation, again?

p.s. http://www.nba.com/bulls/history/Chicago_Bulls_History-24393-42.html?nav=ArticleList#22

Read that and tell me the Bulls aren't out of their minds. Or this blurb: "A change was needed and on February 19, it was delivered in the form of a seven-player trade. The Bulls acquired Jalen Rose, Travis Best and Norman Richardson from the Indiana Pacers for Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Ron Mercer and Kevin Ollie." Come on. The Bulls have been pounding themselves in the butt for a few years, now.


First, It's extremely similar to where the Blazers were last year. They are just starting to shed the excess young players for vets. Second, what exactly qualifies the person you were responding to as a "real fan," or furthermore, what excludes the rest of us? I love elitists. I'm too lazy to look back, but I hope I'm wrong and he's just a Thunder fan you're trying to get an inside look from.

A "real fan" was Carey and Baller because they are actually fans of the team and can give more perspective on to the topic than an average fan. In regards to the young bulls team ovratd1up actually explained this nicely for me so I'm just going to quote his post.


The young core of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, and Nocioni was pretty good with Ben Wallace, which I'm pretty sure he's referring to.

After everyone peaked in 06-07 (of course no one knew it was their peak) they were pretty much the favorites in the East and didn't trade for Kobe, KG, or Gasol (all though not all were the Bulls' fault). Many people thought the core would only get better in the future and it would be wise to keep it in tact. And then 07-08 happened and then they were lucky enough to land Rose with the ninth worst record.

Thank you.


I completely agree.
Personally I think they should get rid of Green. He is playing out of position and rather poorly as well. Maybe they can get an Amare or Boozer. A defensive center would be nice as well...



Huh? Atlanta did trade for vets.
As for Portland, they'll soon be kicking themselves for NOT trading for vets. They already wasted Lafrentz's expiring and are at risk of losing Rudy now. That's a team that desperately needs to convert some young players to veterans if they ever want to be contenders. Cause so far they appear to have a 1-2 punch of Roy and LMA. And LMA is not exactly a very good 2nd option.

Exactly. Did Portland and Atlanta do a great job turning their franchises around to quality teams? Yes. Do I see either one of them getting any better than they are now or winning a title? No, I don't. If I'm the Thunder, and I have one of the top 5 best players on the planet, why am I content with #5/#6 seed in a stacked conference and being an underdog in the first round of the playoffs?



Also "Saddle him (Durant) with 22 year old starting teammates while he's already playing at an elite level"? Kevin Durant is 21, the man hasn't even reached his prime, not by a long shot. The thing Sam Presti is doing is very smart, something the Cleveland Cavaliers could learn from (even though they are in 1st place), it's allowing their star player to grow as a player with his teammates who could very well be with him for years to come. I think Jeff Green, James Harden and Russell Westbrook could be just as important to the OKC Thunder's success as Kevin Durant and that is the point. When Kevin Durant is free agent, he's going to see a team that is ready to make a run at the title for years to come, let alone, who like him have their better years still ahead of them and I think that will look very attractive to Kevin Durant come FA time. Now back to my point with Cleveland, they've made trades to make their team better but when Lebron James looks at that team come free agency, while the money is obviously there, what makes him look at that team and say, man, I want to come back. As far as young, up and coming, building block players, there is absolutely nobody. Mo Williams, JJ Hickson, Antawn Jamison, Daniel Gibson, and Anderson Varejao are sure as hell not going to make me want to resign with them. Plus their veteran guys who are making an impact now, guys like Shaq, Antawn Jamison, Anthony Parker and Big Z are only getting older and are going to regress sooner or later. To me, what OKC has done (rebuild through the draft) with no significant trades to toot is nothing short of amazing. I think criticizing them for not making trades and not trading away some of that young talent to get immediate impact players now would be a huge mistake and a very hasty move. If a formula is working for you, I personally wouldn't tamper with it.

I think you bring up a great point comparing LeBron's situation to Durant. Durant's does seem appealing in the long-term because he doesn't have past their prime players ready to retire.


They arent going to win anything now and they arent going to keep getting anymore good draft picks. They need a big time Center like Howard and this team can start thinking Dynasty. Somehow if he could be aquired through FA

I agree with this. They need to make a move.


Sorry but the OP is the reason why people think New York fans are dumb.

Great contribution to the thread. :)


I still think this is a dumb thread. I am trying to understand the OP but I just don't see how a team called the Oklahoma City Thunder that is in the playoff hunt can be making a mistake. How dare they overachieve like this!

I fully believed going into this season that Durant was going to make the leap. This is why over the summer I made a thread about OKC making moves to get vets like Nash, Lee, and Kaman (I'd dust it off but I'd prefer not to have two similar threads up). All of which were reasonable at the time. A lot of people disagreed with me. I think a lineup of Nash / Thabo / Durant / Lee / Kaman with Harden off the bench could compete for a ring as soon as this season and would really only have to worry about replacing Nash sometime in the next 5 years.

A lot of people are harping on the word "mistake." I'm aware how good they are playing. I'm aware of how talented each of those young players. I just think if they stay put and don't make any moves this off-season then they would be making a mistake. I think Westbrook is best served as a #3 and I think they need a quality bigman. The way the roster is currently assembled they aren't going to make any waves in the playoffs and that's why I'm surprised so few people think they should be active this summer.


It's close but I would rather have Westbrook on my team.

Let's please not turn this into a Rose vs. Westbrook thread.

Hellcrooner
03-04-2010, 08:28 AM
the hard part is making the players buy into being role players when they could be second or third options somwhere esle then there is the finantial part, when they need to be extended.

KnicksorBust
03-04-2010, 06:33 PM
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KnicksorBust
03-04-2010, 09:50 PM
Once again, that's why my response refers to you.
I just love how people dislike a player because of fans. Kinda stupid, actually very stupid.
And no, most reasonable Bulls fans don't think that.
And I'm sure OKC (granted there aren't many people there) fans hype Durant and Westbrook up just as much, just like any fan base for a young, exciting player.

Very true but let's try and stay from Rose vs. Westbrook in this thread since there is another active thread for that.

thesparky33
03-05-2010, 12:04 AM
Its a good debate, but I'd argue the point that maybe we've never seen a team with this much young talent truly have them all stay together and grow together without breaking them apart and/or injuries derailing it.

Maybe that's inevitable, and the reason why its a mistake? I see the argument for both sides here, but I am gravitating more to the side of saying that it isnt a mistake. Just as long as they dont make a big mistake on giving out contracts and handcuffing themselves with bad contracts, they will always be in a decent position to keep getting better, even with a few little slips here and there. As long as you have Durant, they will always be a playoff team most likely. Just hope they dont pull a Garnett era Timberwolves.