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Cool007
03-02-2010, 12:11 PM
Kirk Hinrich - Bulls' starting SHOOTING GUARD.

Let's look how PATHETIC he is.



Of the 74 guards playing more than 25 MPG this season, Hinrich ranks 63rd in fg%. 65th in TS%, and 65th in PER. Which is why, I guess, that despite the Bulls being devoid of offensive options, Hinrich ranks 60th in USG%.

:speechless:



Of the 166 players in the NBA playing more than 25 MPG, Kirk...rank[s] 154 in PER, 152 in TS% and 151 in FG%.

:cry:



He is the 98th ranked 3pt shooter in the league. Despite being a "true point" his assist percentage is lower than Joe Johnson, Monta Ellis, Beno Udrih and Allen Iverson.

:facepalm:



Our starting shooting guard has scored over 15 pts a grand total of 6 times this season. Hinrich has not scored over 20 pts in a single game all year! Not one time.

Words can't describe how bad he is so here how I will describe it.

:speechless: :facepalm: :cry: :mad: :down: :( :sad2: :bang: :surrender: :censored: :ouch: :puke:


We are paying this guy about $9mil a year for this??? We had chance to trade him for expiring 2 years in a row but we did not. Why is our management so much in LOVE with this guy???

Please someon explain.

JermanJaysFan
03-02-2010, 12:13 PM
I was under the impression he was a stalwart defender. But hey, I don't really watch him.

Pierzynski4Prez
03-02-2010, 12:23 PM
he was paid that much because he could defend a 1 or 2 guard very well, and Ben Gordon couldn't defend his grandma.

TheKing23
03-02-2010, 12:24 PM
I like your emoticons... They're cute

mikantsass
03-02-2010, 12:30 PM
EXACTLY why i was happy the celtics didnt pull the trigger on a Hinrich/Thomas deal... Hinrich blows

Cool007
03-02-2010, 12:31 PM
he was paid that much because he could defend a 1 or 2 guard very well, and Ben Gordon couldn't defend his grandma.

Not entirely true. Hinrich had a phenomenal 06-07 season (his best year) and he got paid off of that year (same with Nocioni) and Bulls thought he would be even better.

Unfortunately Hinrich picked that year and has been going downward spiral ever since.

This year, his role was pretty simple. Knock down open jumpers, spread the floor by knocking down 3s and play defense. But when his offense is nothing but like a bottom 10 (for 25+minute player) player - like some scrub would do. His defense is not bad but when his offense is THIS bad, and super inconsistent, it's really pathetic.

Cool007
03-02-2010, 12:35 PM
EXACTLY why i was happy the celtics didnt pull the trigger on a Hinrich/Thomas deal... Hinrich blows

Man, that would have been BIG TIME steal. Ray Allen on 1 leg is still 100x better than Hinrich.

I will give you this though if Hinrich is your 4th or 5th best player in the lineup where is not required to score much then he is not a bad player but on Bulls team where we don't have enough scorers, we really need him to give us around 15ppg on descent shooting nights. Knock down open jumpers.

He doesn't even come close to that, that is why he is pretty bad for us. Hinrich actually would be really good if the team has 3 good scorers around him. So Lakers/Celtics/etc type team wouldn't be so bad.

masalex1205
03-02-2010, 12:40 PM
Didn't realize Bulls fans disliked Hinrich. I haven't watched many Bulls games but the ones i have Hinrich seems like a decent player

-Kobe24-TJ19-
03-02-2010, 12:41 PM
Kirk Hinrich - Bulls' starting SHOOTING GUARD.

Let's look how PATHETIC he is.



:speechless:



:cry:



:facepalm:



Words can't describe how bad he is so here how I will describe it.

:speechless: :facepalm: :cry: :mad: :down: :( :sad2: :bang: :surrender: :censored: :ouch: :puke:


We are paying this guy about $9mil a year for this??? We had chance to trade him for expiring 2 years in a row but we did not. Why is our management so much in LOVE with this guy???

Please someon explain.

he ain't that bad

he would be better than fisher

mser58
03-02-2010, 12:42 PM
I like your emoticons... They're cute

x2

Markg
03-02-2010, 12:43 PM
Measuring an NBA player's worth with statistics is pointless.

Stats are meaningingless in all sports..especially the NBA.

Swashcuff
03-02-2010, 12:48 PM
Measuring an NBA player's worth with statistics is pointless.

Stats are meaningingless in all sports..especially the NBA.

This

As bad as Hinrich is playing he is a phenomenal talent and there are much WORST starters in the NBA. Problem is Kirk is playing out of position and still hasn't gotten the jist of being a SG. Being a bulls fan the OP more than anyone should realise. There was a stretch in which he really looked like he began understanding his role and he and Rose looked as if they would really jel but it was maybe just for that stretch.

MJ-BULLS
03-02-2010, 12:51 PM
hinrich isn't that bad, :shrug: he just having one of those years. He does a lot of things in the court that stats don't show what he does out there. Plus he's a really good leader and excellent defensive player. I'm pretty sure he'll snap out of that funk and get back to where he was as one of the best combo guards in the NBA.

SchyGuy11
03-02-2010, 12:51 PM
he is a great defender

Cubsfan365
03-02-2010, 12:58 PM
Didn't realize Bulls fans disliked Hinrich. I haven't watched many Bulls games but the ones i have Hinrich seems like a decent player
Bulls fans do like Hinrich. I still think he is a very solid player and he can play great defense. These stats that this guy presented are pretty much worthless in my opinion.

Swashcuff
03-02-2010, 01:02 PM
This thread is going to be closed soon.

beardown78
03-02-2010, 01:02 PM
We should have traded him last off season while he still had some value on top of his poor shooting and offensive numbers Hinrich is A very overrated defender

Raph12
03-02-2010, 01:32 PM
Man I never knew he was this bad.

Lakerfan In NY
03-02-2010, 01:35 PM
hinrich isn't that bad, :shrug: he just having one of those years. He does a lot of things in the court that stats don't show what he does out there. Plus he's a really good leader and excellent defensive player. I'm pretty sure he'll snap out of that funk and get back to where he was as one of the best combo guards in the NBA.

Yeah the problem is this is like his 3rd "one of those yrs"

DaBUU
03-02-2010, 01:41 PM
I hate Kirk Hinrich. He's a scrub in starters clothes.

phxman22
03-02-2010, 01:43 PM
he ain't that bad

he would be better than fisher

+1

gqmo16
03-02-2010, 01:44 PM
without hinrich, rose isnt doing as good as he is right now....ppl underestimate intangibles which is y the most talented roster doesnt always win the championship, there are a lot of other variables that go into winning....its not all about statistics, true he is underperforming statistically but he provides a lot more that numbers dont necessarily show and every team needs those types of guys...without him, who takes over the leadership role on the bulls??

valpo34
03-02-2010, 02:22 PM
we are asking him to do things that he cant do its not his fault. This is just like the tyson chandler thing. people got made becouse he couldnt be a low post scorer and we traded him for nothing. Hinrich is being asked to play off gaurd which he has never done and be a three point specialist which is has never done. he could start a point gaurd in this league and be effective. we have that position covered so he is being asked to play an entire season at a position that is not his own. at the end of the day he is not bad just does not fit well on this team.

Cool007
03-02-2010, 02:29 PM
without hinrich, rose isnt doing as good as he is right now....ppl underestimate intangibles which is y the most talented roster doesnt always win the championship, there are a lot of other variables that go into winning....its not all about statistics, true he is underperforming statistically but he provides a lot more that numbers dont necessarily show and every team needs those types of guys...without him, who takes over the leadership role on the bulls??

That is a COMPLETE BS.

Hinrich's leadership??? What leadership??? Does he calm the team down when things are going bad? If anything he adds onto it. Not to mention getting techs at wrong time. What about his DUMB fouls at wrong time too??? What about stepping up when needed???


He hides in the corner when we need him the most. He is one of the most inconsistent starter out there that is getting paid close to $10mil.

gqmo16
03-02-2010, 02:37 PM
That is a COMPLETE BS.

Hinrich's leadership??? What leadership??? Does he calm the team down when things are going bad? If anything he adds onto it. Not to mention getting techs at wrong time. What about his DUMB fouls at wrong time too??? What about stepping up when needed???


He hides in the corner when we need him the most. He is one of the most inconsistent starter out there that is getting paid close to $10mil.

im not saying rose isnt doing good but maybe not an all-star just this year, rose says it himself, hinrich has really helped him out...i agree, hinrichs play might not be the greatest but oncea gain he is playing out of position and doing whatever the team asks of him and not making a big deal about it, thats leadership right there especially cuz in the nba a lot of players r selfish and have "me first" attitudes...he is leading by example

td0tsfinest
03-02-2010, 02:49 PM
Hinrich's a PG. He's not consider a shooting guard, at least IMO. He played well running the point a few years ago with the bulls team.

IMO, the bulls need to trade him. For both parties. Bulls could go out and get a scorer, while Hinrich could go back to running the point.

Cool007
03-02-2010, 03:01 PM
im not saying rose isnt doing good but maybe not an all-star just this year, rose says it himself, hinrich has really helped him out...i agree, hinrichs play might not be the greatest but oncea gain he is playing out of position and doing whatever the team asks of him and not making a big deal about it, thats leadership right there especially cuz in the nba a lot of players r selfish and have "me first" attitudes...he is leading by example

I am sorry but the same thing Lindsey hunter can do too. Play SG and part time PG and not complain about it and Rose has been the reason Hunter is still here.
So does that mean we should give Hunter props and minutes for his leadership???

Also, if Hinrich is playing out of position then why we haven't moved him yet??? I rather would have kept Salmons who give us something that we desparately need and that is scoring/shooting and he is MUCH better than Hinrich at that.

Also, Salmons defense has been superb as well. He is taller and we don't need to double as much either.

On top of that Salmons' contract. Even If he opts in, it's only $6mil and it would be an expiring. Meaning he would be SO MUCH easier to move this summer instead of Hinrich's $17mil contract for 2 more years.

If Salmons opts out, we would have not only room for 1 max free agent but also we could sign Morrow/Ray Allen or somebody else this summer without a problem.

So many more reasons to hate Hinrich and his contract (more importantly his play on the court).

gqmo16
03-02-2010, 03:21 PM
yea but salmons was underachieving, hence he got benched for hinrich...and right when that happened, bulls turned the corner (maybe its just a coincidence but eitherway) im sure that had a big part in the fact that hinrich stayed and salmons left

alencp3
03-02-2010, 03:24 PM
He can beat Fisher and Duhon both at the same time!

pacofunk64
03-02-2010, 03:27 PM
The reason we kept Hinrich is the fact he can play 1 and 2 position. God forbid but what if Rose were to get hurt? No one else on the team is capable of plugging into the PG position as well as Hinrich is. He's not there for his offensive game.

Cool007
03-02-2010, 03:31 PM
yea but salmons was underachieving, hence he got benched for hinrich...and right when that happened, bulls turned the corner (maybe its just a coincidence but eitherway) im sure that had a big part in the fact that hinrich stayed and salmons left

Not completely true. BOTH Hinrich and Salmons were underachieving and Vinny had to make a change so Salmons went to bench (so he could find his offense) and Hinrich can find his by starting.

Bulls turned the corner coz Rose got healthy and started beasting. Others (Hinrich, Salmons, Tyrus, Deng, Gibson, Miller, Noah) started contributing and Bulls started winning. It wasn't just Hinrich.

magichatnumber9
03-02-2010, 03:51 PM
I like Kirk he didn't back down when Rondo cheap shot him. In fact Kirk would probably swing at Artest if provoked. I have no problem with Kirk because he makes plays that can't be recorded in a stat book.

showtym24
03-02-2010, 04:01 PM
Hinrich>Fisher

JNA17
03-02-2010, 04:02 PM
Hinrich>Fisher

good answer.

Chronz
03-02-2010, 04:21 PM
lol at the people trying to disregard his stats, as if its ok to not show up offensively so long as you TRY hard and compete.

TmacBryant
03-02-2010, 04:27 PM
when you are playing off the bench.... even if you are playing great minutes. you will have sucky stats. Lamar Odom was like that in the beginning of the season as well, terrible really until he finally stepped up.

GAWDtv
03-02-2010, 04:34 PM
Maybe HINRICH is the son of some powerful ex-Nazi Illuminatti big wig who forced David Stern to keep him in the L...or maybe not

Mr.WhiteSox
03-02-2010, 05:23 PM
stupid thread...defense? don't see that stat in there

save the knicks
03-02-2010, 05:26 PM
Measuring an NBA player's worth with statistics is pointless.

Stats are meaningingless in all sports..especially the NBA.


Maybe you're inclined to think that your eyes don't lie and that you are free from bias but in reality you don't see everything and your going to give your favorite players the benefit of the doubt.

I can not under stand this mindset. As humans we use advanced math and statistical analysis in nearly every facet of life; but when it comes to sports some people wanna cling to there lying eyes.:facepalm:

on topic: Heinrich is a Honda Civic in a league full of Farriers

Trouble87
03-02-2010, 05:32 PM
I would trade him for Duhon & Eddie House in a heartbeat

Red Hot Rolllin
03-02-2010, 08:07 PM
Ball don't lie.. he blows

Thank god the Blazers didn't pick him up.

Corey
03-02-2010, 08:38 PM
I personally think he's a pretty solid player...but he's having a TERRIBLE year.

Draco
03-02-2010, 09:12 PM
I personally think he's a pretty solid player...but he's having a TERRIBLE year.

He doesn't fit with what where the team is going.. if you look at his body of work when he was a major part of the team it's a night and day difference from where he is now.

kozelkid
03-02-2010, 09:20 PM
Measuring an NBA player's worth with statistics is pointless.

Stats are meaningingless in all sports..especially the NBA.

I have almost never used the facepalm emoticon cause it's fairly childish and annoying, but this post certainly deserves it. Without further ado... :facepalm:

kozelkid
03-02-2010, 09:22 PM
lol at the people trying to disregard his stats, as if its ok to not show up offensively so long as you TRY hard and compete.

No kidding.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I do seem to remember you stressing that Kirk was better than Rose.

HouRealCoach
03-02-2010, 09:45 PM
Hinrich is a great Backup PG

Stunner
03-02-2010, 09:51 PM
:facepalm: to anybody who thinks Fisher,Duhnot is better than Kirk.

kozelkid
03-02-2010, 09:59 PM
Hinrich is a pg who would flourish next to a very good sg, so it's no wonder he's struggling when he can't play his role and in fact hurts Rose as well. The optimal places for Hinrich's skill set is basically LA, Portland, Miami and ATL I guess, but they have Bibby.

ChiSox219
03-02-2010, 10:35 PM
Maybe you're inclined to think that your eyes don't lie and that you are free from bias but in reality you don't see everything and your going to give your favorite players the benefit of the doubt.

I can not under stand this mindset. As humans we use advanced math and statistical analysis in nearly every facet of life; but when it comes to sports some people wanna cling to there lying eyes.:facepalm
Post of the day.

Giaps
03-02-2010, 10:51 PM
How much you wanna bet that Duhon is worse?

Chronz
03-02-2010, 11:35 PM
No kidding.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I do seem to remember you stressing that Kirk was better than Rose.
Yea last year

Draco
03-03-2010, 12:30 AM
Maybe you're inclined to think that your eyes don't lie and that you are free from bias but in reality you don't see everything and your going to give your favorite players the benefit of the doubt.

I can not under stand this mindset. As humans we use advanced math and statistical analysis in nearly every facet of life; but when it comes to sports some people wanna cling to there lying eyes.:facepalm:

on topic: Heinrich is a Honda Civic in a league full of Farriers

Do you see anyone in this thread providing a context for their use of statistics? Most people here don't. Personally, I'd rather rely on personal observation than misuse stats.

Chronz
03-03-2010, 12:33 AM
Do you see anyone in this thread providing a context for their use of statistics? Most people here don't. Personally, I'd rather rely on personal observation than misuse stats.

That has nothing to do with what he was responding to. If you dont want to use stats thats fine, but look at what that other guy said.

Meth
03-03-2010, 04:21 AM
Maybe you're inclined to think that your eyes don't lie and that you are free from bias but in reality you don't see everything and your going to give your favorite players the benefit of the doubt.

I can not under stand this mindset. As humans we use advanced math and statistical analysis in nearly every facet of life; but when it comes to sports some people wanna cling to there lying eyes.:facepalm:


Amen.

Jaji
03-03-2010, 08:33 AM
What happened to him? He used to be pretty decent. He looked like he had a bright future ahead of him.

Derrick_Rose
03-03-2010, 11:52 AM
Just to let you know, Kirk has scored 20 twice this year, both against Minnesota.

Blackjack24
03-03-2010, 12:44 PM
Maybe you're inclined to think that your eyes don't lie and that you are free from bias but in reality you don't see everything and your going to give your favorite players the benefit of the doubt.

I can not under stand this mindset. As humans we use advanced math and statistical analysis in nearly every facet of life; but when it comes to sports some people wanna cling to there lying eyes.:facepalm:



Spot on. Do people assume governments, business, and other organizations implement policies based on hunches? Clearly, such a business model would lead to ruin.

Why is there such resistance to acknowledging sports may be analyzed in such a fashion-- and perhaps more easily so, given the ease of accessing necessary data?