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AI4MVP
02-27-2010, 06:29 PM
What could he have became if he kept his head on straight? to be completely honest i dont think his down fall was all his fault, but Dantonis. Marbury said he would do everything he said and trained hard during the summer and all those things, but Dantoni just never gave him a chance.

Regardless of the reasons for his downfall, skill wise, where do u rank Marbury in his prime?

In his prime, i really thought Marbury was the most talented point guard in the NBA. noone can stop him from scoring and he was a dynamite passer

abe_froman
02-27-2010, 06:35 PM
marbury was falling part long before mike d

jetsfan28
02-27-2010, 06:36 PM
LOL, you think his downfall was D'Antoni's fault? That would imply his head was on straight before that. His head got him shipped out of Minnesota and killed every team he was on.

He could have been incredible if he kept his head on straight, one of the best in the league.

B.JenningsMVP
02-27-2010, 06:50 PM
first two thoughts when someone mentions his name is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQ9CPdl5bw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBS9hH9c4_s

Tblaze
02-27-2010, 07:16 PM
first two thoughts when someone mentions his name is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQ9CPdl5bw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBS9hH9c4_s

this is the first thing that comes to my mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

edit: wrong vid I think but I ment the "We got Zach Randolph they scarew now" interview

bigsams50
02-27-2010, 07:22 PM
He should never of asked the T'Wolves to trade him. Him and KG coulda been something special

abe_froman
02-27-2010, 07:23 PM
first two thoughts when someone mentions his name is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQ9CPdl5bw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBS9hH9c4_s

and this is what i think of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eUtSV519vU&feature=related

bigsams50
02-27-2010, 07:26 PM
and this is what i think of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eUtSV519vU&feature=related

:laugh: and :puke:

JasonJohnHorn
02-27-2010, 07:42 PM
Marbury's biggest problem was that he was a scoring point guards, and teams don't win titles with score-first point guards. He could pass, and when he was allowed to play his style he was statistically successful, but his teams didn't always do well. Look at Phoenix and New Jersey. New Jersey traded and all-star point guard for an all-star point guard, and they went from lottery team with Marbury to NBA finals with Jason Kidd. Big diffence. With the Suns, they moved Marbury and signed Nash, and went form the lottery to title contending team. And Minesota was a blown opprotunity for Marbury.

Marbury could score, and he could pass (over 8 assists a game is more than pretty good though his turnover ration could have been better). His shooting percentage was never anythign to write home about, and teams never got better with him on the team. His stats always looked good, but the win columns didn't.

As for his falling from grace, bad teams that draft big scorers tend to ride them until- something better comes along. Look at the Buck this season, I'm sure they will keep Jennings in for a couple season, but things won't get better, they won't contend and they there will be a trade, another team will see what he can do and then his career will fizzle out because teams see that he is not a player you can build a contender around. Thomas should have known that about Marbury before he traded for him, just like he should have known that about Francis before he traded for him (though I think francis did a solid job for Houston). Jennings reminds me of guys like Francis and Marbruy, and of guys like Tim Hardaway. The get drafted, show potential, come on strong, go no where, get traded, continue to score without really winning (or contending at least) and teams get tired trying with them and move on.

If your point guard is taking more shots than anybody on your team, chances are you aren't going to win any titles. The last time a team won with a point guard who took the most shots was the Detroit Pistons in 1990, and Thomas had a slim margin of shots above Dumars and was also dropping in over ten assists a game for a big chuck of his career. And the last time a team won with a point guard who scored more than 20+ a game was back when Gail goodrich was pimping the point for the Lakers, and Jerry West was taking more shots than Gail, who was actually the thrid option (behind West and Baylor and only slightly before Chamberlain), despite his high scoring average.

Marbury, like Francis, like Jennings, like Hardaway, like Arenas, is a talented player, who is quick, who can score but at the end of the day isn't the type of player you can really build a title contender around. The best scoring point guard the league has seen since Thomas was Iverson and the closest he came was one NBA finals.

Marbury could still be playing in the league if Thomas hadn't tried turning him into a pass-first point guard. Marbury had a certain style of game and Thomas forced him to change it (kind of like how Michael Curry tried getting Iverson to play like Billups). Bottom line with New York, if they wanted a pass first point guard, they should have traded for one, not got a player who was the complete opposite and then try to change him. Guys like Rondo, and Parker, and Nelson, all do great jobs getting into the lane and using that ability to score or create shots for teammates, and Marbury was similar to that but more of a pure scorer. The Knicks shouldn't have picked him up if that's not what they wanted. And between Thomas and D'Atanio, and Walsh, the Knicks just screwed themselves and Marbury over.

But Marbury's style is not one that is build for a long career.

Draco
02-27-2010, 07:45 PM
first two thoughts when someone mentions his name is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQ9CPdl5bw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBS9hH9c4_s

For me it's this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eUtSV519vU

thegamebit
02-27-2010, 08:21 PM
this is it for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWxgbyYrT5A

rofl

NYKnicks4511
02-27-2010, 08:30 PM
Starbury: Smoking that ganja and eating vaseline.

xbrackattackx
02-27-2010, 10:33 PM
I think he could have been a great PG. But he was to selfish and had a couple of screws loose.

jimbobjarree
02-28-2010, 01:13 PM
jazz have a roster space open......lol

AddiX
02-28-2010, 01:23 PM
As far as talent and skill goes, he may of been one of the best PG's ever. There is a reason he got that a huge contract and that's because before him there had really never been a PG who had his abilities.

Even if you look around today, theres no PG's with who have all his abilities. He had a outside shot, mid range, and could break down the defense at will, could play really good defense when he wanted to, could get inside and dish the ball, had handle, could jump, was fast and quick, extremely strong, could take hits and get the and 1, was never injured before coming to NY.

People think he was selfish but before he came to NY he averaged over 20 pts and 10 ast for his CAREER. At the time only 2 other players did that.

He just never had a leader mentality and is probably a bit crazy, but as far as talent goes he is as complete a player as there ever was. I remember there was a time when they went around and asked everyone in the NBA who the best PG was and every PG answered that they thought Marbs was the best at the time.

magichatnumber9
02-28-2010, 01:46 PM
Stephon has never been right. Even in college he was out of control.

Jaji
02-28-2010, 02:05 PM
marbury was falling part long before mike d

Exactly. IDK what the OP is talking about. Marbury's downfall began when he and KG fell out and he forced his way out of Minny.

ko8e24
02-28-2010, 02:07 PM
Why are we even talking about a guy who's no longer in the Nba :confused:

Marbury is a bum and should declare an official retirement for good.