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thedfactor
02-18-2010, 02:20 AM
per Mark Stein

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ

Late news, wow, depending on what Houston gives up this is a nice acquisition. Kevin Martin is a lights out shooter and scorer. Nice pick up.

GiantYankKnicks
02-18-2010, 02:21 AM
From Marc Steins Twitter

Link (http://twitter.com/Stein_Line_hq)

rockets-fan
02-18-2010, 02:23 AM
oh please please please....this will be better than the ny offer...

GodsSon
02-18-2010, 02:23 AM
Trade-deadline alert just filed to ESPN.com: Rockets have agreement in principal with Sacramento to acquire Kevin Martin

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/9272219693

Chronz
02-18-2010, 02:23 AM
The headline should read Kings to gain Tmac ;) unless he ends up in NY anyways.

Seriously though I thought they wanted to keep the 2 together. I dont like Tmac with Tyreke though hopefully he ends up elsewhere.

The Dream
02-18-2010, 02:25 AM
Which means Tmacs goin to Knicks

thedfactor
02-18-2010, 02:25 AM
Man I don't like him going to Houston, lame.

rockets-fan
02-18-2010, 02:26 AM
so is this fact or a deal thats being talked about

HesterTrain
02-18-2010, 02:29 AM
principle agreement = around 90%

29$JerZ
02-18-2010, 02:31 AM
Wouldn't that mean a Tracy to Sac for Martin/Thomas would happen?
I doubt they'd take back Nocioni's deal.

rockets-fan
02-18-2010, 02:31 AM
i like it for houston..we need another scorer

jbadd
02-18-2010, 02:32 AM
So would martin come off the bench? Doesn't ariza play the 2?

JLynn943
02-18-2010, 02:32 AM
I really wanted Tyreke and Martin to have some more time together to develop. They seem like perfect compliments to eachother's games

DerekRE_3
02-18-2010, 02:33 AM
The headline should read Kings to gain Tmac ;) unless he ends up in NY anyways.

Seriously though I thought they wanted to keep the 2 together. I dont like Tmac with Tyreke though hopefully he ends up elsewhere.

Salary dump.

DerekRE_3
02-18-2010, 02:34 AM
Wouldn't that mean a Tracy to Sac for Martin/Thomas would happen?
I doubt they'd take back Nocioni's deal.

Noc better be in the deal.

_KB24_
02-18-2010, 02:36 AM
I have a feeling Ariza is not going to be very happy about this.

Hawkeye15
02-18-2010, 02:36 AM
So would martin come off the bench? Doesn't ariza play the 2?

Battier would probably come off the bench

GiantYankKnicks
02-18-2010, 02:36 AM
T-mac's heading to Sactown it seems

Duncan = Donkey
02-18-2010, 02:36 AM
houston are stupid, why would they trade carl landry for a chucker?

B.JenningsMVP
02-18-2010, 02:36 AM
Great move.. Brooks martin ariza scola very nice group of youngsters and when yao gets back, that's a team that can do damage

Lakers4ItAll
02-18-2010, 02:36 AM
So do the Kings get TMac or someone else?

rockets-fan
02-18-2010, 02:36 AM
^^^
Yesbut i think batteir will come off the bench...we need early scorng

prash
02-18-2010, 02:37 AM
T-mac's heading to Sactown it seems
The Knicks are still potentially involved in the trade. Good chance T-Mac will be a Knick tomrw. 3 team deal potentially.

JnasD
02-18-2010, 02:38 AM
Great move by H-Town.

GiantYankKnicks
02-18-2010, 02:39 AM
The Knicks are still potentially involved in the trade. Good chance T-Mac will be a Knick tomrw. 3 team deal potentially.

i hope so man but idk not looking good for us

Mavrix
02-18-2010, 02:39 AM
Yao and Martin will be just like Yao and T-Mac back in the day but worse. + Martin's just as injury prone as T-Mac

Duncan = Donkey
02-18-2010, 02:39 AM
The players in Houston-Kings deal: T-Mac, Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey for Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez.

http://twitter.com/wojyahooNBA

TRF929
02-18-2010, 02:39 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvXaRwED5RRDbdk5pw_MfU45nYcB?slug=ys-kingstrade021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Lets see how this works out fantasy wise, I have both of them, been holding TMac for a couple months

prash
02-18-2010, 02:40 AM
+ Martin's just as injury prone as T-Mac

seriously.

ko8e24
02-18-2010, 02:40 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4923777

The Houston Rockets, in an abrupt late twist to their long-running efforts to trade Tracy McGrady, have reached an agreement in principal with the Sacramento Kings to acquire coveted guard Kevin Martin, ESPN.com has learned.


Martin was pulled from the second half of the Kings' game Wednesday night at Golden State in anticipation of the trade, sources said.


Although the details of the complete construction of the trade could not immediately be confirmed, sources said that it's possible that the deal could be expanded into a three-way trade that lands Rockets guard Tracy McGrady with the New York Knicks before Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline.


One source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com that McGrady will either end up with the Kings or the Knicks by the deadline to bring Martin to Houston after Sacramento refused trade interest in the high-scoring guard for weeks.

29$JerZ
02-18-2010, 02:41 AM
Either Tracy goes to Sacremento, bought out, then comes to NY; or NY becomes part of this and it becomes a 3 team deal

Today is going to be hectic

Hellcrooner
02-18-2010, 02:42 AM
what i dont get is what will the kings be receiving if Knicks get involved?

Sadds The Gr8
02-18-2010, 02:42 AM
I think the Rockets were better off as they were....they got rid of their best bench scorer in Landry, who by the way is a 6th man of the year candidate. Now they have no bench scoring, or inside scoring. (This is assuming the new lineup is: Brooks, Martin, Ariza, Scola, Hayes. with Battier as 6th man) They already have Ariza and Battier as well, and don't really need Martin seeing that Brooks is a score 1st pg anyways. all that does is take the ball outta Brooks' hands. I don't see the reason for this...they would've been better off going for a Centre so they can get some size in their frontcourt....because Scola and Hayes are both way undersized. I don't see how a Rockets fan likes this trade...If i were one of you, I'd be pissed off.

xbrackattackx
02-18-2010, 02:43 AM
If it's a 3 way it will prob be

Houston gets

Jared Jeffries
Kmart
Jordan Hill

Sac gets

Larry Hughes 13 million expiring.

NYK gets

Rodriguez
Tmac
Dorsey

DayDreamz
02-18-2010, 02:46 AM
why houston........whyy????

Mavrix
02-18-2010, 02:46 AM
I say it's a bad move by Houston. Landry was beasting it and you could have gotten more out of T-Macs contract.

kblo247
02-18-2010, 02:47 AM
The Sacramento Kings have reached an agreement in principle with the Houston Rockets on a trade that will swap Kevin Martin for Tracy McGrady, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Along with Martin, the Kings will send Sergio Rodriguez, Hilton Armstrong and Kenny Thomas to the Rockets. Joey Dorsey and Carl Landry will go to the Kings.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-kingstrade021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Both teams approve overall.

Martin lets Ariza move to his more natural spot, giving away Landry allows Scola to stay after this season.

T-Mac could revive his career in Sacramento and at the same time bring a buzz that they haven't had since the Webber trade and honestly the Martin experiment needed to end and Landry alone should have made them make the deal.

If all goes well:

Evans/T-Mac/Casspi/Landry/Hawes
Udrih/Green/Thompson

Brooks/Martin/Ariza/Scola/Yao
Lowry/Battier/Hayes

Looks nice on both ends if they all stay healthy and give it a chance

THE MTL
02-18-2010, 02:48 AM
If it's a 3 way it will prob be

Houston gets

Jared Jeffries
Kmart
Jordan Hill

Sac gets

Larry Hughes 13 million expiring.

NYK gets

Rodriguez
Tmac
Dorsey

That actually works for all teams. With Houston now taking on salary of K-Mart; they shouldnt mind taking on Jeffries especially if they get Jordan Hill coming their way as well.

And I guess SAC just wants the expiring contracts.

AI4MVP
02-18-2010, 02:48 AM
woooow. very interesting. defiently makes the kings alot better pretty much getting a 25 points per game scorer without giving anything up. big ups to the rockets




EDIT: wow oops i thought it was just straight up for tmac as a salary dump. Didnt know landry was involved. This is a mistake in my opinion. Carl Landry is a straight up ballller

KG2TB
02-18-2010, 02:49 AM
one injury prone player for an even more injury prone player...not too bad

Mavrix
02-18-2010, 02:49 AM
If T-Mac plays to his potential even getting around 15 ppg...Sac may make the playoffs. I'm calling it now.

The Dream
02-18-2010, 02:50 AM
Wait, Carl Landry is in this deal? WOW. Rockets are retards. Giving away a 20+ million expiring deal and a rising young star for Kevin Martin basically .... and they choose this package over the Knicks? FML. I'm glad I'm a Yankee fan.

Duncan = Donkey
02-18-2010, 02:50 AM
still cant get my head around it.........why would the Rockets do this.

Carl Landry is A freakin Beast

xbrackattackx
02-18-2010, 02:50 AM
Wow, I bet Houston are glad they waited and didn't end up taking anyone's trash.

So how does that make sac look this summer Cap wise?

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 02:51 AM
WojYahooNBA


The players in Houston-Kings deal: T-Mac, Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey for Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez.

RocketsRule
02-18-2010, 02:51 AM
Wouldn't that mean a Tracy to Sac for Martin/Thomas would happen?
I doubt they'd take back Nocioni's deal.

That's my assumption.

If that is the deal I'm so happy :dance2:

rockets-fan
02-18-2010, 02:52 AM
I say it's a bad move by Houston. Landry was beasting it and you could have gotten more out of T-Macs contract.

we wouldnthave enough money this offseason to spend on anyone better than k-mart....even though tmacs contract wouldexpre, we still have to resign multiple of our core players

tredigs
02-18-2010, 02:52 AM
If T-Mac plays to his potential even getting around 15 ppg...Sac may make the playoffs. I'm calling it now.

HUH? What's your rationale here? Martin was playing in the spot he'd be at; scoring 20+ a game...

Shady66
02-18-2010, 02:52 AM
I dont like this for houston
Houston was playing alright, no need to give up one of your few good big men on your team, for a perimeter scorer

kblo247
02-18-2010, 02:53 AM
WojYahooNBA

Houston gave up on Knicks deal tonight, and decided to make T-Mac deal for player it most coveted: Sacramento's Kevin Martin.

Those bastards in New York stuck in their ever so losing mentality wanted to protect the pick and it bit them in the ***. If they thought they could succeed they would just have dealt the pick, but in the end they ****ed themselves.

xbrackattackx
02-18-2010, 02:54 AM
If I was Houston it would have been Scola in the Deal not Landry.

Hawkeye15
02-18-2010, 02:54 AM
Landry?????? Why would the Rockets include him in this trade?

KG2TB
02-18-2010, 02:54 AM
I dont like this for houston
Houston was playing alright, no need to give up one of your few good big men on your team, for a perimeter scorer

Agreed.

Does it also not concern any Houston fans that K-Mart has never...NEVER...played a full season in his career? This guy is the epitome of injury prone.

Hawkeye15
02-18-2010, 02:55 AM
Martin is a great scorer for 50 games a year, and the others are contract throw in's. Why on earth would Houston get rid of Landry on this? Salary dump? I will have to see the full trade to figure this one out

BaustinSali08
02-18-2010, 02:55 AM
Wow, I didn't expect that.

GodsSon
02-18-2010, 02:55 AM
I say it's a bad move by Houston. Landry was beasting it and you could have gotten more out of T-Macs contract.

+1...I dont think like it all from Houston's perspective...Landry is having a damn good season

FOBolous
02-18-2010, 02:56 AM
the rockets made that trade in anticipation for 2011. Martin's a 40% 3 pts shooter. he'll compliment Yao perfectly when Yao gets back. so this will be our starting lineup next year:

PG - Aaron Brooks
SG - Kevin Martin
SF - Ariza
PF - Scola
C - yao

you got yao beasting it download. kevin martin waiting on the perimeter waiting to drain it from the 3. Brooks and Ariza outside ready to either shoot the 3 or wait for an opportunity to drive him. and scola spacing the floor for Yao ready to drain a mid range shot. PERFECT. as a rockets fan, i'm extremely excited about this trade. don't get me wrong...i love landry but martin fits our team better than landry.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 02:56 AM
WojYahooNBA


Two league sources tell Y! Sports that Kings are unsure whether they will keep T-Mac, or move him onto Knicks in a deal before deadline.

prash
02-18-2010, 02:57 AM
Agreed.

Does it also not concern any Houston fans that K-Mart has never...NEVER...played a full season in his career? This guy is the epitome of injury prone.

Someone within the Rockets organization is seriously stubborn. I'd keep T-Mac over Martin. Martin gets hurt all the time. Even more than McGrady. :facepalm:

kblo247
02-18-2010, 02:57 AM
If I was Houston it would have been Scola in the Deal not Landry.

Scola has historically played better with Yao.

Landry beasted when got hurt and with T-MAc in the playoffs years ago and this year with Yao out for the season and fits the mold of a big who thrives off a perimeter player.

Scola thrives off playing with an actual big which is shown by him being the better rebounder and always clicking with Yao Ming.

Kings can't deal T-Mac for more than 1 Knick though according to league rules which is what people are forgetting after the Gooden deal which was Gooden for Thornton with the Wiz's new cap space helping them not have to make the money match.

THE MTL
02-18-2010, 02:57 AM
Knicks dont want him. We just wanted to get rid of Jeffries and I dont see SAC taking on the contract.

RocketsRule
02-18-2010, 02:57 AM
Errrr, how come I'm not reading anything about giving up Landry? Where are you guys seeing this?

Hellcrooner
02-18-2010, 02:58 AM
Well i hope Sergio goes to knicks and gets his chance to prove me wrong in my perception that he is garbage.

He wont make it in Houston with brooks and lowry

GoatMilk
02-18-2010, 02:59 AM
Errrr, how come I'm not reading anything about giving up Landry? Where are you guys seeing this?

Yahoo says

but they want to make it a 3-way
i dont think it's done yet

kblo247
02-18-2010, 02:59 AM
Errrr, how come I'm not reading anything about giving up Landry? Where are you guys seeing this?

Go back a page or 2

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 02:59 AM
Errrr, how come I'm not reading anything about giving up Landry? Where are you guys seeing this?

Yahoo:

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

jetsfan28
02-18-2010, 02:59 AM
Knicks get
Sergio Rodriguez
Tracy McGrady

Kings get
Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey (names I see being rumored)
The Knicks unprotected 2012 draft pick
Some other conditional pick from the Knicks

Rockets get
Kevin Martin
Jordan Hill
Larry Hughes
Jared Jeffries




Or




Knicks get
Sergio Rodriguez
Tracy McGrady

Kings get
Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey (names I see being rumored)
The Knicks unprotected 2012 draft pick
Jordan Hill

Rockets get
Kevin Martin
Hilton Armstrong
Larry Hughes
Jared Jeffries




This makes too much sense not to happen. Or maybe it makes too much sense to happen. I never know come trade deadline time.

Mavrix
02-18-2010, 02:59 AM
HUH? What's your rationale here? Martin was playing in the spot he'd be at; scoring 20+ a game...

1 word - Landry
and T-Mac can actually play D.

DerekRE_3
02-18-2010, 03:00 AM
Awesome we get Carl Landry. I freaking love Carl Landry.

CityofTreez
02-18-2010, 03:00 AM
Wait..............................so were getting Landry?

NYK_kidd77
02-18-2010, 03:00 AM
http://twitter.com/RicBucher

lakersrnumber1
02-18-2010, 03:00 AM
this is what i got didnt hear anything about knicks in the trade

The Sacramento Kings have reached an agreement in principle with the Houston Rockets on a trade that will swap Kevin Martin(notes) for Tracy McGrady(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Along with Martin, the Kings will send Sergio Rodriguez, Hilton Armstrong(notes) and Kenny Thomas(notes) to the Rockets. Joey Dorsey(notes) and Carl Landry(notes) will go to the Kings.

Hawkeye15
02-18-2010, 03:00 AM
whatever. I trust Morey, he is about as good as they come. If they don't give the options to Armstrong and Rodriguez, they go from having $7 million in cap space to around $13 million in space, and are now players in the FA market this summer. They just have to pray Martin can shake the injuries he has had for 3 years, and that yao comes back with relative production

FOBolous
02-18-2010, 03:01 AM
Scola has historically played better with Yao.

Landry beasted when got hurt and with T-MAc in the playoffs years ago and this year with Yao out for the season and fits the mold of a big who thrives off a perimeter player.

Scola thrives off playing with an actual big which is shown by him being the better rebounder and always clicking with Yao Ming.

Kings can't deal T-Mac for more than 1 Knick though according to league rules which is what people are forgetting after the Gooden deal which was Gooden for Thornton with the Wiz's new cap space helping them not have to make the money match.

This.

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:01 AM
If the let go of Carl Landry, I will honestly laugh at the Rockets front office so hard. Please prove me wrong because this will be a huge shame.

RocketsRule
02-18-2010, 03:02 AM
Wait, what the ****? We are giving up Landry?

**** that ******** :pity:

_KB24_
02-18-2010, 03:02 AM
Wow, Landry was having an absolute crazy year. Sucks he has to go up and play with the "Queens" ;)

NBA-GMaster
02-18-2010, 03:03 AM
I hate Martin coming to houston..

Public Enemy #1
02-18-2010, 03:03 AM
Kings gotta steal with Carl Landry. Rockets improved as well. Decent trade for both teams.

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:03 AM
To be honest, I think the Kings benefited much more in this trade. Super cap relief and a runner up for sixth man of the year.

I pity the Rockets front office if the Landry rumor is true.

tredigs
02-18-2010, 03:05 AM
1 word - Landry
and T-Mac can actually play D.

Landry does give them a boost, no doubt. But this is a STACKED Western Conference and they are 13 games back from the 8th seed. Plus, T-Mac is 2 years past his prime and will no doubt show a good deal of rust over the next few weeks.

There's exactly zero chance the Kings make a run at the playoffs.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 03:05 AM
Stein_line_hq


t-mac either ends up with knicks tomorrow or it's t-mac/landry/dorsey/cash to kings for martin/kenny thomas/h. Armstrong/s. Rodriguez

HOZ THE KNICK
02-18-2010, 03:05 AM
i heard on sports radio ny that the knicks will get Tmac and sergio in a 3 team trade + a 1st rd pick for nate to the celtics.......wow

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:06 AM
Landry is the damn third best player on the team, how can you let him go. I am utterly shocked, until this is official I will not burst out in tears/laughter, but let's hope it's not.

iggypop123
02-18-2010, 03:06 AM
who goes back for tmac? what do kings want?

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 03:06 AM
i heard on sports radio ny that the knicks will get Tmac and sergio in a 3 team trade + a 1st rd pick for nate to the celtics.......wow

Bout time NYK had a marquee player again, but the question is whether T-Mac can still play at a marquee level...

PHX2daDEATH
02-18-2010, 03:06 AM
HA. and somebody posted that Daryl Morey should be GM of the Year.. Here we go again.. a good scorer on a bad team that gets over-hyped, Martin doesnt seem to fit in with the Rockets when you got Ariza n Brooks already.. Dumb move houston.. on the other Side i think this makes the Kings better, next year with Evans, Casspi and Landry and even the Thompson kid has some game..they could be a playoff team

FOBolous
02-18-2010, 03:07 AM
the rockets are planning a championship run next year. they're doing their best to build a team around yao in one season. they gave up landry instead of Scola because Scola players better off of Yao. Martin's skillset also compliments Yao better than Landry's. Landry actually struggles next to yao because Landry's nothing more than an offensive player and he NEEDS to play in the pain and they're not going to work when Yao comes back. they're putting it all in for next year. let's hope the Rockets made the right gamble.

kblo247
02-18-2010, 03:07 AM
To be honest, I think the Kings benefited much more in this trade. Super cap relief and a runner up for sixth man of the year.

I pity the Rockets front office if the Landry rumor is true.

Landry doesn't play well with Yao and he is likely to retire in a Rockets jersey.

They kept the 2 bigs who compliment Yao best in Hayes and Scola over the guy who thrives off of guards, doesn't rebound well, and really puts in his buckets without their franchise player.

How did they hurt themselves by doing that and getting a shooter at SG to stop Ariza from gunning and make him a slashing finisher at SF, all while also investing in Scola who has been their best overall big this season?

THE MTL
02-18-2010, 03:07 AM
Knicks can really get in this one. TMac & Evans is a NO NO! You dont want an aging star trying to revive his career along with a young budding star. Especially since both like to do the same thing. And Houston lost out on a big and need a replacement.

Knicks can give Hughes for TMac while SAC keeping one of those players recently traded and Jordan Hill/Jeffries for Sergio.

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:08 AM
Landry does give them a boost, no doubt. But this is a STACKED Western Conference and they are 13 games back from the 8th seed. Plus, T-Mac is 2 years past his prime and will no doubt show a good deal of rust over the next few weeks.

There's exactly zero chance the Kings make a run at the playoffs.

Who said anything about playoffs? :confused:

I'm sure this was to relieve 20 million bucks off the books, and potentially get a sixth man of the year in Carl Landry.

THE MTL
02-18-2010, 03:08 AM
Stein_line_hq

SAC got cash too. Damn, they werent messing around.

HOZ THE KNICK
02-18-2010, 03:08 AM
Bout time NYK had a marquee player again, but the question is whether T-Mac can still play at a marquee level...

true you have a [point but i think the knicks just wanted his expiring for jeffries + a tmac audition.

xabial
02-18-2010, 03:09 AM
Please

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 03:10 AM
Stein now reporting that if it's not a 3-way that sends T-Mac to NY, then Sac might buy him out in time for him to be playoff eligible elsewhere, and T-Mac would be interested in LAL or CLE, but unclear whether they'd be interested in him.

xabial
02-18-2010, 03:10 AM
i heard on sports radio ny that the knicks will get Tmac and sergio in a 3 team trade + a 1st rd pick for nate to the celtics.......wow

What happens to Jeffries

kblo247
02-18-2010, 03:11 AM
Knicks can really get in this one. TMac is Evans is a NO NO! You dont want an aging star trying to revive his career along with a young budding star. Especially since both like to do the same thing. And Houston lost out on a big and need a replacement.

Knicks can give Hughes for TMac while SAC keeping one of those players recently traded and Jordan Hill/Jeffries for Sergio.

Hughes doesn't duplicate what Brooks does by pounding the ball or what Ariza does by shooting poorly :eyebrow:

Stop being a homer especially with the take Jeffries stuff and call it what it really is, a good deal for the Kings and Rockets on both sides that the Knicks management ****ed up by trying to protect picks because they are used to losing and don't want to give up their crutch of hope in the lottery.

tredigs
02-18-2010, 03:11 AM
Who said anything about playoffs? :confused:

I'm sure this was to relieve 20 million bucks off the books, and potentially get a sixth man of the year in Carl Landry.

"Mavrix" did, somehow...

And I agree, they're not going to try to re-sign McGrady, this is for free agency cap space.

jetsfan28
02-18-2010, 03:12 AM
Stein now reporting that if it's not a 3-way that sends T-Mac to NY, then Sac might buy him out in time for him to be playoff eligible elsewhere, and T-Mac would be interested in LAL or CLE, but unclear whether they'd be interested in him.

This story will change 1000 times before it's done. But the 3 way still makes the most sense. By choosing McGrady's destination (NY), both Sac and Hou would get a young asset from the Knicks. So why wouldn't take that?

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:12 AM
Landry doesn't play well with Yao and he is likely to retire in a Rockets jersey.

They kept the 2 bigs who compliment Yao best in Hayes and Scola over the guy who thrives off of guards, doesn't rebound well, and really puts in his buckets without their franchise player.

How did they hurt themselves by doing that and getting a shooter at SG to stop Ariza from gunning and make him a slashing finisher at SF, all while also investing in Scola who has been their best overall big this season?

I completely agree.

I am just shocked that how could the front office put a player like Landry in this trade just for an add-on/cherry on the cake. If they feel that Landry and Yao cannot coexist then sure trade him, but not in this fashion. He has more value than this.

kblo247
02-18-2010, 03:13 AM
A T-Mac buy out is what I'd like to see if the guy has game and no team wants him.

Lets see what he has got in LA, Orlando, Boston, or Cleveland who all have had their struggles at times with their starting back courts thanks to Fisher, Carter, Allen, and Parker.

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:14 AM
If New York is in the picture now I think this changes the whole dimension of the trade. Landry leaving is not as bad now, but let's see...lol.

They had me scared for a second, if McGrady ends up in Sacramento my shock will remain the same.

THE MTL
02-18-2010, 03:15 AM
Hughes doesn't duplicate what Brooks does by pounding the ball or what Ariza does by shooting poorly :eyebrow:

Stop being a homer especially with the take Jeffries stuff and call it what it really is, a good deal for the Kings and Rockets on both sides that the Knicks management ****ed up by trying to protect picks because they are used to losing and don't want to give up their crutch of hope in the lottery.

Jordan Hill replaces Laudry. And Kings dont want T-Mac which makes sense cause I wouldnt want my young budding star playing with someone trying to reclaim his career at the team's cost.

kblo247
02-18-2010, 03:15 AM
I completely agree.

I am just shocked that how could the front office put a player like Landry in this trade just for an add-on/cherry on the cake. If they feel that Landry and Yao cannot coexist then sure trade him, but not in this fashion. He has more value than this.

I agree about his value, but you never know if they set down with Karl and asked him how he felt about the deal and if he wants to make the most of a chance to be a starting big in the league, which he could never do with Yao.

I see the deal as Martin for Landry just with the 20mil and 10+ mils of expirings being filler if they choose not to commit to T-Mac or use Thomas.

RocketsRule
02-18-2010, 03:16 AM
The three team deal does make a lot more sense. Each team would be pretty much receiving what they want.

The Dream
02-18-2010, 03:17 AM
If Sac and Hou can pull Knicks into 3-team deal, Sergio Rodriguez + TMac would go to NY, a source says. Told Sac-Hou two-way deal not done.
21 minutes ago from web

The Dream
02-18-2010, 03:19 AM
And you just gotta love r e a l gm's 300 misleading reports these past 2 days.... typical. that site is ********

NBA-GMaster
02-18-2010, 03:20 AM
Giving up Landry plus Tmac's contract plus Dorsey for Martin, Hilton, Rodriguez and Thomas.. I thought morey is a great GM.. Bad news for Houston!!

RocketsRule
02-18-2010, 03:21 AM
It seems like the three team deal would be along the lines of:

Houston receives:
Jordan Hill
Kevin Martin
Jared Jefferies
pick?

Sacramento Receives:
Al Harrington/Larry Hughes (will end up in a buyout)
Carl Landry
Joey Dorsey

New York Receives:
Tracy McGrady
Sergio Rodriguez

Something along those lines... in which case I'd be okay with the deal.

jetsfan28
02-18-2010, 03:23 AM
It seems like the three team deal would be along the lines of:

Houston receives:
Jordan Hill
Kevin Martin
Jared Jefferies
pick?

Sacramento Receives:
Al Harrington/Larry Hughes (will end up in a buyout)
Carl Landry
Joey Dorsey

New York Receives:
Tracy McGrady

It's Hughes, Harrington has value. I think NY gets Sergio Rodriguez too. If Houston gets Hill, I don't see them getting a pick. I see it going to Sacramento instead. With Houston also getting someone else, maybe Hilton Armstrong or something.

RocketsRule
02-18-2010, 03:27 AM
It's Hughes, Harrington has value. I think NY gets Sergio Rodriguez too. If Houston gets Hill, I don't see them getting a pick. I see it going to Sacramento instead. With Houston also getting someone else, maybe Hilton Armstrong or something.

Yeah, just a rough outline.

I mean, it's an okay trade for us, but I hate to see Landry leave.

DerekRE_3
02-18-2010, 03:27 AM
As long as we get Landry I'm good.

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:28 AM
I just want to see Tracy finally play, he has been training behind closed doors for months now and I anticipate to see what he can do. My expectations are not too high, but I do expect him to score 12-15 points a game WHEREVER he goes, unless he gets injured.

HOZ THE KNICK
02-18-2010, 03:29 AM
I just want to see Tracy finally play, he has been training behind closed doors for months now and I anticipate to see what he can do. My expectations are not too high, but I do expect him to score 12-15 points a game WHEREVER he goes, unless he gets injured.

on the knicks he might score 25 a game....lol but the offense over here is mighty fast.

jetsfan28
02-18-2010, 03:33 AM
Yeah, just a rough outline.

I mean, it's an okay trade for us, but I hate to see Landry leave.

It sucks, but if they get Hill back, it's a good deal IMO. I really think he'll be a good player.

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:33 AM
on the knicks he might score 25 a game....lol but the offense over here is mighty fast.

One question, do you think Tracy's role will hinder Harrington's production a lot?

lol...It's kind of a selfish question, I have both of them on my fantasy team, haha.

HesterTrain
02-18-2010, 03:34 AM
It's Offical ESPN.com T-Mac to Kings for Martin. Other players involved, Knicks, Bulls lose out.

RocketsRule
02-18-2010, 03:35 AM
One source close to the situation confirmed to ESPN.com that landing McGrady with the Knicks before Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline is the goal, but the Rockets and Kings have a deal in the event that terms can't be reached that include New York.

The deal struck Wednesday night will send Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez to the Rockets for McGrady, Carl Landry, Joey Dorsey and an undisclosed amount of cash.

One source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com that McGrady will either end up with the Kings or the Knicks by the deadline. And Martin is definitely headed to Houston after Sacramento refused trade interest in the high-scoring guard for weeks.

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that the Knicks would receive McGrady and Rodriguez in a three-team scenario.

If the deal cannot be expanded to include the Knicks, it remains to be seen whether Sacramento will simply buy out the remainder of McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract, setting McGrady up to sign as a free agent and be eligible for the playoffs as long as a buyout happens before March 1.

Dunno if this was posted already

The Dream
02-18-2010, 03:36 AM
It's Offical ESPN.com T-Mac to Kings for Martin. Other players involved, Knicks, Bulls lose out.

shutup, its not official

HOZ THE KNICK
02-18-2010, 03:36 AM
One question, do you think Tracy's role will hinder Harrington's production a lot?

lol...It's kind of a selfish question, I have both of them on my fantasy team, haha.

well the plan for the knicks is if they get TMAC they will send harrington to chicago for thomas and pargo/james......so in theory they might not get a chance to play with each other but we will see tomorrow 3 pm.

lavell12
02-18-2010, 03:37 AM
Would this make Battier avaliable? I'd love for Orlando to get him, we could use his D in the playoffs.

Kingz4L
02-18-2010, 03:39 AM
I cant believe this, this just made my day!!!

Sad to see Martin go but very excited having Landry and Tmac....just in time to give us a final chance to make the playoffs this year.

ldc62
02-18-2010, 03:41 AM
How does this trade help the Rockets? Have Ariza and Shane already... and we lose Landry. I know this is more of a long term thing, and I doubted Morey before (even though it turned out alright), but it doesn't look that good...

DRE'-MAC
02-18-2010, 03:42 AM
What do people think of this trade

Hou Trades: T-Mac
Hou Receives: KMart, Hilton Amrstrong, Jared Jefferies

NY Trades: Jared Jefferies, Larry Hughes, Jordan Hill
NY Receives: T-Mac, Sergio Rodriguez

Kings Trade: Sergio Rodriguez, Hilton Amrstrong, KMart
Kings Receive: Larry Hughes, Jordan Hill

Houston gets rid of T-Mac and picks up KMart. Take on Jefferies contract.
NY gets T-Mac and Sergio for the same package they were sending for T-Mac, minus two draft picks.
Kings get rid of KMarts contract and pick up an expiring SG in Hughes and a young big man in Jordan Hill.

NBA-GMaster
02-18-2010, 03:43 AM
We could just trade Tmac and Landry for Iguodala and Dalembert...

DRE'-MAC
02-18-2010, 03:44 AM
Would this make Battier avaliable? I'd love for Orlando to get him, we could use his D in the playoffs.

He could be traded before the deadline if they do this deal straight up and not 3 way cause it would leave the Rockets back up PF's as Brian Cook and Kenny Thomas.

Maybe Brandon Bass and Anthony Johnson for Battier

RaptorsFanatic
02-18-2010, 03:45 AM
I cant believe this, this just made my day!!!

Sad to see Martin go but very excited having Landry and Tmac....just in time to give us a final chance to make the playoffs this year.

Two words: Jim Mora.

"Playoffs?! Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kidding me? Playoffs?! I'm just hoping we can win a game, another game! Playoffs? Playoffs?....Playoffs?"

xabial
02-18-2010, 03:46 AM
Is all hope to trade Jeffries Futile? Is it over?

The Dream
02-18-2010, 03:50 AM
didnt the kings want jefffries last year in a deal that wouldve sent nate and jeffries to the kings...am i the only one that remembers this?

sacgiants1213
02-18-2010, 03:52 AM
I cant believe this, this just made my day!!!

Sad to see Martin go but very excited having Landry and Tmac....just in time to give us a final chance to make the playoffs this year.

You're funny.

This is truly one of the saddest days in Sacramento Kings history. I'll miss Kevin Martin so much and i hope he wins a ring along with Adelman.

abe_froman
02-18-2010, 03:53 AM
i cant believe hou pulled that off

ldc62
02-18-2010, 03:54 AM
i cant believe hou pulled that off

Please explain to me how this is a good trade? Am i undervaluing KMarT?

Unrequited
02-18-2010, 03:56 AM
Ariza should come off the bench and start Battier. he's a catch and shoot 3 pt guy + great defensive player.

hyphy king 88
02-18-2010, 03:58 AM
I feel you sfgiants. He was my favorite player on the team and I loved him since we drafted him. I bet hes trilled to have Adelman back as his coach. Seemed like him and coach Westphal didn't really get along. I wish him the best. Since hes a Rocket now, imma have them as my 2nd favorite team. Hopefully he won't be as injury prone. Good luck Kev!

Kingz4L
02-18-2010, 04:01 AM
You're funny.

This is truly one of the saddest days in Sacramento Kings history. I'll miss Kevin Martin so much and i hope he wins a ring along with Adelman.

Kevin Martin was a fantastic player for us but I'll take Landry from you guys any day...we'll see how much you miss him once you play the Lakers again.

xabial
02-18-2010, 04:03 AM
didnt the kings want jefffries last year in a deal that wouldve sent nate and jeffries to the kings...am i the only one that remembers this?

I remember, Walsh suposedly declined with a source saying he was seeking Talent for Jeffries. :laugh2:

sacgiants1213
02-18-2010, 04:06 AM
Kevin Martin was a fantastic player for us but I'll take Landry from you guys any day...we'll see how much you miss him once you play the Lakers again.

'you guys?'

I'm actually the sacramento kings mod.

Kyle N.
02-18-2010, 04:06 AM
I cant believe this, this just made my day!!!

Sad to see Martin go but very excited having Landry and Tmac....just in time to give us a final chance to make the playoffs this year.

I hope that was a joke because we just got blown the **** out tonight.

The Dream
02-18-2010, 04:09 AM
Feb 18, 2010 2:51 AM EST
According to a report from David Aldridge, Sacramento could trade Tracy McGrady to New York in a package that would be identical to the one the Knicks discussed with Houston.

Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, Larry Hughes and picks would be sent from New York to Sacramento.

Jay22Redd
02-18-2010, 04:10 AM
Landry's going to average 20ppg now

NBA-GMaster
02-18-2010, 04:18 AM
Kmart is an injury prone player.. could we replaced Landry by Cook..

HesterTrain
02-18-2010, 04:23 AM
Feb 18, 2010 2:51 AM EST
According to a report from David Aldridge, Sacramento could trade Tracy McGrady to New York in a package that would be identical to the one the Knicks discussed with Houston.

Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, Larry Hughes and picks would be sent from New York to Sacramento.

Could, but won't. It's been shown the only reason the Kings made the trade was to land McGrady. Why would they land their man and trade him away?

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 04:25 AM
Stein_line_hq


just spoke to another source close to the situation who said of t-mac winding up with knicks on thursday: "i think it will happen."

kblo247
02-18-2010, 04:26 AM
Here's what I heard about the situation on the radio :

Sac can try and hold off on the physicals so he technically wouldn't make their roster yet and talk the Rockets and Knicks into a mass trade.

They just need to make a choice about a sure thing (2 things) or not (3 teams) since that 60 day rule goes into affect when he officially becomes a part of their roster

giants9689
02-18-2010, 04:35 AM
really wanna see if tmac has anything left and can at least make the knicks somewhat watchable for the rest of the season

Kingz4L
02-18-2010, 04:39 AM
'you guys?'

I'm actually the sacramento kings mod.

I just noticed that...my bad..I was looking at your username only.

Kingz4L
02-18-2010, 04:43 AM
I hope that was a joke because we just got blown the **** out tonight.

I know we did but having Landry will change things...I promise you that...Houston is crazy giving him up...If we keep Tmac well have a much better team.

Jahari Kavi
02-18-2010, 04:46 AM
I've been planning a lesson and have been away from my sports updates the past couple of hours...all I have to say it that I did not see this coming....anyway I'm glad She-Mac is no longer a Houston Rocket...as a long time die hard rockets fan, I have to say that I have never disliked a player more than Tracy....I even gave up free season tickets, because his attitude pissed me off, at times........hopefully Kevin Martin can stay healthy, because he's a good sg when he is........not a bad move Daryl Morey...not a bad move at all

Chronz
02-18-2010, 04:54 AM
I've been planning a lesson and have been away from my sports updates the past couple of hours...all I have to say it that I did not see this coming....anyway I'm glad She-Mac is no longer a Houston Rocket...as a long time die hard rockets fan, I have to say that I have never disliked a player more than Tracy....I even gave up free season tickets, because his attitude pissed me off, at times........hopefully Kevin Martin can stay healthy, because he's a good sg when he is........not a bad move Daryl Morey...not a bad move at all
Talk about lying through your teeth

Kyle N.
02-18-2010, 04:57 AM
I know we did but having Landry will change things...I promise you that...Houston is crazy giving him up...If we keep Tmac well have a much better team.

I agree, we'll have a better team, but we won't make the playoffs.

PatsSoxKnicks
02-18-2010, 05:06 AM
Could, but won't. It's been shown the only reason the Kings made the trade was to land McGrady. Why would they land their man and trade him away?

They did the deal for cap space not McGrady. They have no interest whatsoever in McGrady and he's probably going to be bought out.

Kingz4L
02-18-2010, 05:07 AM
I agree, we'll have a better team, but we won't make the playoffs.

Actually I think your definatley right...i just looked back at our record and unless Suns lose Amare I dont think we'll have a chace to make it either (I just checked the actual standings) *My Bad

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 05:08 AM
Looks like these are the final reports for the night from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4923777) and Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArpleMXQkQDQ6T9uMjLzSMC8vLYF?slug=ys-kingstrade021710&prov=yhoo&type=lgns):


Sources: Martin moving; Knicks role?
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The Houston Rockets have unexpectedly emerged from their long-running efforts to trade Tracy McGrady with an agreement in place to acquire coveted guard Kevin Martin from the Sacramento Kings, ESPN.com has learned.

Multiple sources told ESPN.com that the Rockets and Kings will spend Thursday trying to make this a three-way deal that lands McGrady with the New York Knicks, who have been McGrady's preferred destination ever since he and the Rockets mutually agreed in late December to find the 30-year-old a new team via trade.

"I think it will happen," one source close to the situation told ESPN.com of McGrady winding up with the Knicks.

On orders from team management, Martin was pulled from the second half of the Kings' game Wednesday night at Golden State in anticipation of the fast-developing trade with Houston, sources said.

One source with knowledge of the talks confirmed to ESPN.com late Wednesday that routing McGrady to the Knicks is still the goal. But the Kings and Rockets -- who are longtime fans of Martin -- are committed to the deal they've struck in the event that terms can't be reached that include New York.

The deal hammered out Wednesday night would send Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez to the Rockets for McGrady, Sixth Man Award contender Carl Landry, Joey Dorsey and an undisclosed amount of cash.

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that McGrady and Rodriguez would be sent to the Knicks in a three-team scenario sure to feature New York's Jared Jeffries if it comes to fruition.

"It's a sad day for me in the sense that [Sacramento] was the first team that took a chance on me late in the first round of the draft," Martin told the Sacramento Bee's Sam Amick from the team bus after news of the deal spread. "They showed so much loyalty to me throughout the years. They gave me the big contract to show that [they] loved me. ... I just think it was time for us to go in a different direction. I was the young guy before, and now I'm the oldest starter. I think it's good."

If the deal cannot be expanded Thursday to include the Knicks, it remains to be seen whether Sacramento will simply buy out the remainder of McGrady's $22.5 million expiring contract, setting up McGrady to sign as a free agent and be eligible for the playoffs as long as a buyout happens before March 1.



[B]Kings trading Martin for McGrady
By Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports 2 hours, 45 minutes ago

The Houston Rockets have reached an agreement in principle to acquire Kevin Martin(notes) from the Sacramento Kings, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The proposed deal has the Rockets sending Tracy McGrady(notes), Carl Landry(notes) and Joey Dorsey(notes) to the Kings for Martin, Sergio Rodriguez, Hilton Armstrong(notes) and Kenny Thomas(notes).

Two league sources tell Y! Sports the Kings are unsure whether they will keep McGrady or expand the trade to three teams and send him to the New York Knicks.

A league official involved in this deal rates the possibility of New York general manager Donnie Walsh cutting a deal for T-Mac as “possible.”

“But I’m not sure it’s likely yet,” the official said.

To complete a trade, Walsh will have to sell the Kings on the package that couldn’t get his deal done with Houston. He offered Larry Hughes, Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries and draft picks. Trading Hill and Jeffries for an expiring contract or contracts would allow the Knicks to clear enough salary-cap space to potentially sign two star free agents this summer.

Martin told Y! Sports’ Marc Spears he will miss Sacramento, but was appreciative for the chance to play for a potential playoff team.

“It goes both ways,” Martin said by phone shortly after the trade. “Sacramento gave me an opportunity. I was a late first-round pick. I could have been playing overseas. I assumed they still loved me. I was the ‘Golden Child’ – that’s what Corliss Williamson used to say. I guess that’s the sad part.

“But it was time. I used to be the young guy playing with old guys. Now I’m the old guy playing with young guys. Let the young guys develop. I appreciate them letting me go to a playoff caliber team at this time of my career.”

The Kings pulled Martin aside at halftime and told him he was being traded. Martin will be reunited with former Sacramento coach Rick Adelman.

“At halftime coach [Paul Westphal] said, ‘There is a trade involving you. You are the piece,” Martin said. “My first question was, ‘Who is the team?’ ‘Houston.’ I was good with it. It’s time to move on.

“I’m definitely excited for a new opportunity with my old coach. That’s the funny part.”

If T-Mac stays with the Kings and ends up with a buyout, he hopes to join a playoff contender. A source close to him says he would like to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers or Cleveland Cavaliers.

While there’s no evidence the Lakers have interest, Cavs GM Danny Ferry had done a little research on T-Mac during his exile from the Rockets. Still, the Cavaliers traded for Antawn Jamison on Wednesday and it’s extremely unclear whether they would want to risk disrupting their chemistry to bring on another former All-Star – one who has spent the season recovering from microfracture knee surgery.

McGrady has played in only six games, appearing for fewer than eight minutes in each, before the Rockets gave him a leave in December to work out in Chicago.

The Knicks had been in serious negotiations for McGrady since All-Star weekend, but those talks stalled over Houston’s demands for draft picks and the protection for the picks. The Rockets, who also had been in negotiations with the Chicago Bulls, then engaged the Kings in a three-way dialogue.

The Bulls were trying to get McGrady and his $23 million expiring contract, but ended up making a smaller trade – sending John Salmons to the Milwaukee Bucks – that changed those conversations.

Rockets GM Daryl Morey has long been enamored with Martin, and kept pushing for a deal between the two teams. Morey knew Martin had become unhappy in Sacramento, sources said, and that the Kings shooting guard was struggling to adjust playing alongside rookie point guard Tyreke Evans. Martin didn’t feel like his talents were compatible with Evans, and struggled to defer to him.

Quikdraw
02-18-2010, 05:16 AM
Great move for Houston.

shep33
02-18-2010, 05:16 AM
Wow i know Martin can score, but man Landry was awesome. 16ppg off the bench, with 5 boards and about 1 block a game. Great production. Sactown didn't really need Martin anyways with Evans there, but i'm kinda surprised at the Rockets. What's their lineup gonna be?

Brooks
Martin
Ariza
Scola
Hayes?

Really they don't have anymore solid bigs left now, actually Landry was probably their best big, so i don't quite get what they were doing. Landry always played well in big games especially against the Lakers, i'm just kinda pondering this still. Martin is injury prone, and really a small 2 guard with him being so light, so he'll probably get taken advantage on by bigger guards. Maybe they try making it a 3 way deal with the Knicks to get a big?

shep33
02-18-2010, 05:20 AM
Could, but won't. It's been shown the only reason the Kings made the trade was to land McGrady. Why would they land their man and trade him away?

I actually don't know if they're gonna keep Tmac. Reports all over say the Knicks still have a good shot of getting him, but really man Landry IMO is a steal especially if TMac stays. He and Jamal Crawford are arguable the 2 best bench players in the league.

TEXASTITAN
02-18-2010, 05:20 AM
Id have to believe if we gave up landry in ANY deal that NY would have to be involved in a 3 way that brings hill and picks to houston. I refuse to believe that this is all there is to it because it's too lopsided a deal in favor of the kings to get tmac and landry in a deal. Ya'll wait until tomorrow when the dust settles since we gave up landry hill and picks gotta be headed our way with tmac ending up in NY and the kings getting hughes and jeffries and keeping landry. Or houston ends up with harrington and picks either way there's gotta be a landry replacement in there somewhere.

Jahari Kavi
02-18-2010, 05:21 AM
OH CRAP....I'm just reading that we gave up landry as well????.... WTF Daryl Morey???@?@!????!?!?!???.........K Mart is too injury prone to give up Carl Landry for....I knew we should've just let she-macs contract expire.

TEXASTITAN
02-18-2010, 05:27 AM
It's NOT finalized yet so im not gonna freak out on anybody but there just has to be more to it than this to include landry even if it's just picks something else is missing. Like i said morey doesn't make bad deals and as it stands right now it's a horrible deal. And having said that ill wait until tomorrow to pass judgement.

byan04
02-18-2010, 05:30 AM
anyone think like boston wants to get in this trade and have this be one of the biggest trades ever...

shep33
02-18-2010, 05:30 AM
OH CRAP....I'm just reading that we gave up landry as well????.... WTF Daryl Morey???@?@!????!?!?!???.........K Mart is too injury prone to give up Carl Landry for....I knew we should've just let she-macs contract expire.

I agree, as a Laker (and Knick) fan Landry always destroys us. The guy is a beast, and when I saw this I was like 'what the?.... the Rockets literally just traded their best big who also comes off the bench, and Tmac for Kmart?' I don't like it for Houston, and thats why i think the NY deal will go through, it just doesn't make sense. On ESPN they're saying that the tmac deal to NYC can still go through, so we'll see, i bet it gets done.

shep33
02-18-2010, 05:33 AM
anyone think like boston wants to get in this trade and have this be one of the biggest trades ever...

Who would the Celts get? NYC is giving up a ton for tmac if the 3 way goes down. Really isn't it something like 3 first rounders (1 being Jordan Hill from this year), plus jeffries and hughes. But technically 3 first rounders is tough to beat, and i don't know why the Knicks were even contemplating that or if they maybe still are. Boston is gonna get Nate, but they could use a backup 2 or 3 guard who can score. What if the Celts got Harrington and Robinson??

byan04
02-18-2010, 05:34 AM
tmacs gonna be a knick nates gonna be in a c's uni.. amare to the heat cus of wade hurting .. bosh supposedly to the bulls in another 3 team trade... all these crazy trades in a matter of a few hours.. crazy *** deadline

im thinking the c's have baby on the block and also ray .. who knows about that but the celtics need someone other than nate to contend in the east

ainge is deff considering a huge block buster cus of the cavs doing what they did today

not a rumor just a suggestion and opinion

anyone wanna talk about the suggestions and opinions on the trade deadline?

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 05:36 AM
amare to the heat cus of wade hurting .. bosh supposedly to the bulls in another 3 team trade

Please don't post rumors like this unless you have a linkable source to back them up. Thank you.

kobebabe
02-18-2010, 06:01 AM
I think the Rockets were better off as they were....they got rid of their best bench scorer in Landry, who by the way is a 6th man of the year candidate. Now they have no bench scoring, or inside scoring. (This is assuming the new lineup is: Brooks, Martin, Ariza, Scola, Hayes. with Battier as 6th man) They already have Ariza and Battier as well, and don't really need Martin seeing that Brooks is a score 1st pg anyways. all that does is take the ball outta Brooks' hands. I don't see the reason for this...they would've been better off going for a Centre so they can get some size in their frontcourt....because Scola and Hayes are both way undersized. I don't see how a Rockets fan likes this trade...If i were one of you, I'd be pissed off.

feel the same way. essentially a senseless trade

byan04
02-18-2010, 06:10 AM
the trade that is happening is all parts of a bigger blockbuster of a trade..involving the kings with kevin martin/+fillers tmac to the knicks maybe involving the bulls or its gonna be the celtics getting rid of ray allen,big baby house giddens scal and allens ex contracts..for al harrington ,nate among others.. who knows i guess we'll see when the deadline hits .. should be some extreme moves by danny ainge if he wants to have another championship to contend with the moves the cavs did

ldc62
02-18-2010, 06:13 AM
:pray: Trade doesn't go through...

byan04
02-18-2010, 06:16 AM
id like to see tmac try and revive his career tho .. and the celtics need to make a move bigtime.. get younger and add an impact player prolific scorer in the process

mightybosstone
02-18-2010, 06:53 AM
God... reading through these posts, it's laughable to see everyone who thinks the Rockets actually lost this deal. And seeing people say things like "Landry was their best big" is an absolute joke. Does no one remember that Yao Ming plays for this team?

When Yao comes back, Landry's production was going to take a huge hit, and Scola's game compliment's Yao's so much better. Also consider that Scola is the superior rebounder and defender and that he will be a much cheaper alternative to Landry, and it's quite obvious that Scola was the smarter move for this team.

If Kevin Martin can stay healthy, I don't think Houston won this trade, I think they absolutely RAPED this trade. They moved a 6th man PF who can't rebound and cap space for one of the best value scoring wing men in the game. Houston just made themselves a SERIOUS contender for 2011 and the rest of the West should be very afraid...

pistonsfanomg
02-18-2010, 07:12 AM
Wow.....

It has to be NY

Duncan = Donkey
02-18-2010, 07:24 AM
God... reading through these posts, it's laughable to see everyone who thinks the Rockets actually lost this deal. And seeing people say things like "Landry was their best big" is an absolute joke. Does no one remember that Yao Ming plays for this team?

When Yao comes back, Landry's production was going to take a huge hit, and Scola's game compliment's Yao's so much better. Also consider that Scola is the superior rebounder and defender and that he will be a much cheaper alternative to Landry, and it's quite obvious that Scola was the smarter move for this team.

If Kevin Martin can stay healthy, I don't think Houston won this trade, I think they absolutely RAPED this trade. They moved a 6th man PF who can't rebound and cap space for one of the best value scoring wing men in the game. Houston just made themselves a SERIOUS contender for 2011 and the rest of the West should be very afraid...

im sure everyone is shaking in their boots

mightybosstone
02-18-2010, 07:27 AM
im sure everyone is shaking in their boots

A banged up Rockets' team with no legit second scorer and Yao injured for the last 3 games of the series took the eventual champion Lakers to 7 games in last year's playoffs. You're telling me that THIS group couldn't do the same thing?

scruffmacgruff
02-18-2010, 07:32 AM
God... reading through these posts, it's laughable to see everyone who thinks the Rockets actually lost this deal. And seeing people say things like "Landry was their best big" is an absolute joke. Does no one remember that Yao Ming plays for this team?

When Yao comes back, Landry's production was going to take a huge hit, and Scola's game compliment's Yao's so much better. Also consider that Scola is the superior rebounder and defender and that he will be a much cheaper alternative to Landry, and it's quite obvious that Scola was the smarter move for this team.

If Kevin Martin can stay healthy, I don't think Houston won this trade, I think they absolutely RAPED this trade. They moved a 6th man PF who can't rebound and cap space for one of the best value scoring wing men in the game. Houston just made themselves a SERIOUS contender for 2011 and the rest of the West should be very afraid...

You cant be serious contenders nope not at all.For all this Id rather we just played Mcgrady and keep Landry.We took a couple steps back, alll we did was replace Mcgrady with some one thats less talented than him and removed our best player in Landry.It's not even a sure thing that Yao will be able to produce or hold up through next season OH WELL LOTTERY HELL FOR US FOR THE NEXT 10+ YEARS

mightybosstone
02-18-2010, 07:35 AM
You cant be serious contenders nope not at all.For all this Id rather we just played Mcgrady and keep Landry.We took a couple steps back, alll we did was replace Mcgrady with some one thats less talented than him and removed our best player in Landry.It's not even a sure thing that Yao will be able to produce or hold up through next season OH WELL LOTTERY HELL FOR US FOR THE NEXT 10+ YEARS

I can't tell if this is extreme sarcasm or just blatant ignorance.

Did you LEGITIMATELY just say that McGrady was more talented than Kevin Martin? Even if he WAS more talented (which he certainly is not at this point in his career), he was never going to play another game in a Rockets' jersey, so it's a moot point.

Did you honestly just call Landry "our best player"? Yao is this team's best player. Scola is a better all around player than Landry, which is why he starts at PF and not Carl. And Brooks is easily more valuable to this team as well.

3neSoulja
02-18-2010, 07:42 AM
God... reading through these posts, it's laughable to see everyone who thinks the Rockets actually lost this deal. And seeing people say things like "Landry was their best big" is an absolute joke. Does no one remember that Yao Ming plays for this team?

When Yao comes back, Landry's production was going to take a huge hit, and Scola's game compliment's Yao's so much better. Also consider that Scola is the superior rebounder and defender and that he will be a much cheaper alternative to Landry, and it's quite obvious that Scola was the smarter move for this team.

If Kevin Martin can stay healthy, I don't think Houston won this trade, I think they absolutely RAPED this trade. They moved a 6th man PF who can't rebound and cap space for one of the best value scoring wing men in the game. Houston just made themselves a SERIOUS contender for 2011 and the rest of the West should be very afraid...


Dude r u on crack...Kevin Martin the best valued scorer in the league, scola a much more superior defender and rebounder lollll whatever u say kid... much more cheaper lolll he makes 375k more this year than landry does and his deal expires so hell probley end up making more next year than the 3 million landry makes. As for kevin martin your paying that guy 11 million for the next couple seasons and frankly he turns the ball over more than he gets assists. all he can do is score nothin else and thats if he actually plays in games instead of sitting in dress clothes. Houston got shafted i mean t mac is whatever but to lose landry too haa yao aent gettin u guys anywhere sooo keep prayin he comes back soon cause u really wont have anything to watch till he doess

JordansBulls
02-18-2010, 07:52 AM
per Mark Stein

http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ

Late news, wow, depending on what Houston gives up this is a nice acquisition. Kevin Martin is a lights out shooter and scorer. Nice pick up.

The Kings will acquire Tracy McGrady along with with Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey from Houston for

Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez.

Kings Gets:

Mcgrady
Landry
Dorsey


Rockets gets:

K.Martin
K.Thomas
H.Armstrong
S.Rodgriguez

mightybosstone
02-18-2010, 07:54 AM
Dude r u on crack...Kevin Martin the best valued scorer in the league, scola a much more superior defender and rebounder lollll whatever u say kid... much more cheaper lolll he makes 375k more this year than landry does and his deal expires so hell probley end up making more next year than the 3 million landry makes. As for kevin martin your paying that guy 11 million for the next couple seasons and frankly he turns the ball over more than he gets assists. all he can do is score nothin else and thats if he actually plays in games instead of sitting in dress clothes. Houston got shafted i mean t mac is whatever but to lose landry too haa yao aent gettin u guys anywhere sooo keep prayin he comes back soon cause u really wont have anything to watch till he doess

I'll try to read through what little I can make out of this "paragraph". Most of it is almost unreadable, so excuse me if I might misread some of this....

First, I don't care if his assist-turnover ratio isn't great. He's not a point guard and Houston is a good passing team who can use Martin's skills to their advantage on the offensive end. Mixing him in with Yao and the slashing ability of guys like Brooks and Ariza is ideal. He couldn't find a better offense.

Second, I never said Landry made more than Scola, but Landry is a restricted free agent and someone is bound to overpay for him. In this market, Landry is worth far more than Scola.

Third, do you even look at stats or watch Rockets games? While he's a good offensive rebounder, he's a horrible defensive rebounder and he's undersized defensively. He averages only 9.7 rebounds per 48 minutes. That's best for 67th in the league.

Duncan = Donkey
02-18-2010, 07:57 AM
A banged up Rockets' team with no legit second scorer and Yao injured for the last 3 games of the series took the eventual champion Lakers to 7 games in last year's playoffs. You're telling me that THIS group couldn't do the same thing?

yes, im saying this team cant do the same thing.

arkanian215
02-18-2010, 09:06 AM
houston needs to get a big man back in this deal. they're already thin and playing small.

ombada
02-18-2010, 09:07 AM
yes, im saying this team cant do the same thing.

opinions are opinions, personally i agree with bosstones, i think this will make the Rockets a better team and that they came away nicely in this deal.

arkanian215
02-18-2010, 09:09 AM
The Kings will acquire Tracy McGrady along with with Carl Landry and Joey Dorsey from Houston for

Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Hilton Armstrong and Sergio Rodriguez.

Kings Gets:

Mcgrady
Landry
Dorsey


Rockets gets:

K.Martin
K.Thomas
H.Armstrong
S.Rodgriguez
wow landry and dorsey?

mr.awesome
02-18-2010, 09:58 AM
wownice trade for houston they needed a scorer,but martin has been a little shaky after that wrist injury.

king4day
02-18-2010, 09:58 AM
I think the biggest shocker in this deal to me, is Landry leaving the Rockets.
He's gonna help the Kings a whole lot.

HouRealCoach
02-18-2010, 10:00 AM
I hope he goes to Sac cause they might waive him and then he can go to a contender... I hope Houston doesnt make it

bigsams50
02-18-2010, 10:00 AM
I thought the knicks were in this deal too?

HouRealCoach
02-18-2010, 10:01 AM
I dont get why Houston would do this

oak2455
02-18-2010, 10:01 AM
I thought the knicks were in this deal too?

They are some how:eyebrow:

bigsams50
02-18-2010, 10:06 AM
They are some how:eyebrow:

i meant for T-mac

DieHardColtsfan
02-18-2010, 10:15 AM
Man I hope something goes down. You dont get you hopes up only to see Jared Jeffries back in a knicks uniform come Friday.

lvlheaded
02-18-2010, 10:27 AM
Hou: Martin fillers
Sac: Carl Landry fillers
NY: McGrady

Three team deal Stein thinks will get done that moves Jared Jefferies out of New York but lessens the demand of sending out Jordan Hill and I think saves one of the 2 picks. Not sure of all the details of the moving parts but that was the basis of the deal(if it becomes a 3-team deal as expected)

bigsams50
02-18-2010, 10:31 AM
I hope McGrady goes to NY and to show that he can still play

Super.
02-18-2010, 10:41 AM
Well...this sucks....i wanted Martin on the C's...

td0tsfinest
02-18-2010, 11:05 AM
Is it just me or do the Rockets and Kings love to trade with one another ?

Maybe it's just me.

Wonder how Evan's numbers will change with T-Mac on the kings.

Blackjack24
02-18-2010, 11:10 AM
Yet another deal showing how dysfunctional the NBA salary scale has become. A bench player with a massive expiring is worth more (as seen by Landry as a throw in) than a young scorer with a great knack for creating offense.

Great deal for the Rockets. They address a huge weakness, and even though they lose Landry, it was from a position of strength.

op12
02-18-2010, 11:14 AM
Great move.. Brooks martin ariza scola very nice group of youngsters and when yao gets back, that's a team that can do damage

agreed

dolfan720
02-18-2010, 12:12 PM
I love the deal but landry and dorsey had so much potential. Oh well but i love Kevin martin! Hes dirty

dolfan720
02-18-2010, 12:20 PM
is the deal official yet?

DerekRE_3
02-18-2010, 12:21 PM
Is it just me or do the Rockets and Kings love to trade with one another ?

Maybe it's just me.

Wonder how Evan's numbers will change with T-Mac on the kings.

Only other deal I can think of is the Artest deal, which turned out awesome for the Kings since we got Donte Greene and Omri Casspi out of it. If the Artest left the Rockets for the MLE, then you know he would have left the Kings.

VCaintdead17
02-18-2010, 12:24 PM
So would martin come off the bench? Doesn't ariza play the 2?

Ariza played the 3 all last year. Battier will come off the bench.


For this to be a smart deal for the Kings, they need the Rockets to somehow take back Nocioni.

sep11ie
02-18-2010, 12:40 PM
1 word - Landry
and T-Mac can actually play D.

T-Mac can play D? Whats this, 2005?

Gibby23
02-18-2010, 12:44 PM
Kings should have waited to trade Martin until the summer. They didn't get a good deal, they save money but no player is coming to play for Sac. I thought they could have done some sort of trade for Al Jefferson or a sign and trade for Boozer after he figured out he was not going to get maxed out this summer.

dolfan720
02-18-2010, 12:47 PM
Kings should have waited to trade Martin until the summer. They didn't get a good deal, they save money but no player is coming to play for Sac. I thought they could have done some sort of trade for Al Jefferson or a sign and trade for Boozer after he figured out he was not going to get maxed out this summer.

are you serious right now? They got an excellent deal!. Carl Landry is the best 6 man in the NBA, T-Mac still has it, and Joey Dorsey has sooooooooo much potential!

JayW_1023
02-18-2010, 12:50 PM
Kevin Martin, providing he is healthy finally solves the Rocktes scoring issues. If the Rox make the playoffs, they'll be one tough opponent to chow down.

Gibby23
02-18-2010, 12:51 PM
are you serious right now? They got an excellent deal!. Carl Landry is the best 6 man in the NBA, T-Mac still has it, and Joey Dorsey has sooooooooo much potential!

T mac is not playing for Sac, if he does it will be only for the rest of the year. Landry is ok, but they have Thompson and they are about the same and Thompson might end up being better. They need a legit low post threat that can give you 20-10.

dolfan720
02-18-2010, 12:51 PM
.......

dolfan720
02-18-2010, 12:53 PM
T mac is not playing for Sac, if he does it will be only for the rest of the year. Landry is ok, but they have Thompson and they are about the same and Thompson might end up being better. They need a legit low post threat that can give you 20-10.

Thats deffinity debatable. Landrys a better scorer by far though

futureman
02-18-2010, 12:57 PM
The biggest winner in this trade is the Utah Jazz.

JayW_1023
02-18-2010, 12:57 PM
I rather have Landry right now...but I believe in two years Thompson will be a legitimate double double machine.

Wilson
02-18-2010, 01:00 PM
I like it for Houston. Kevin Martin is a good scorer, and it allows Trevor Ariza to play off the ball more where he's free to spot up and slash to the basket. Now if the Rockets get a healthy Yao Ming next season they're looking pretty good.

DerekRE_3
02-18-2010, 01:02 PM
I rather have Landry right now...but I believe in two years Thompson will be a legitimate double double machine.

What's wrong with having two good PF's? Plus Landry's deal is an absolute steal. 3 mil for 16 PPG in 27 min and one of the highest TS% at his position...I'll take that.

masalex1205
02-18-2010, 01:06 PM
great deal for the Kings

JayW_1023
02-18-2010, 01:09 PM
I think giving up Landry is just too much...Landry produces at insane efficiency off the bench. The Kings win this deal...not because they'll get T-Mac...but because of Landry.

Noday
02-18-2010, 01:15 PM
When is a trade official? When they notify the NBA or when the paper work is completed? Because nomatter what McGrady is gone off the Rockets books today even if no other team gets involved. The label Official is confusing.

Wilson
02-18-2010, 01:20 PM
When is a trade official? When they notify the NBA or when the paper work is completed? Because nomatter what McGrady is gone off the Rockets books today even if no other team gets involved. The label Official is confusing.

It will become official whenever the teams confirm the trade with the league office. That won't happen until the Knicks decide whether they're going to be involved in the trade or not.

JayW_1023
02-18-2010, 01:53 PM
Landry has been the biggest reason why the Rox have been so tough. Bullets in the leg and german elbows to the teeth...among many things that have failed to stop him. The man is an enforcer. Meanwhile Kevin Martin is so injury prone he disintegrates after a free throw huddle. Bleh.

Kakaroach
02-18-2010, 02:15 PM
Good move by the Kings, get rid of his contract but they do get Landry who is great.

JayW_1023
02-18-2010, 02:17 PM
I could see the Kings make a push here...especially if Houston, the Bugs and Portland fade into obscurity.

Gibby23
02-18-2010, 02:18 PM
Looks like it's done. TMac to NY and Hughes to sac.

metsbulls1025
02-18-2010, 02:20 PM
Looks like it's done. TMac to NY and Hughes to sac.

Hughes is out for 4 weeks because of injury.

Wilson
02-18-2010, 02:33 PM
The trade has officially happened now, please post your thoughts here (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=457950) :cheers: