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JordansBulls
02-17-2010, 10:46 PM
http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp109/KHinrich12/Team%20Logos/Nuggets.png @ http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp109/KHinrich12/Team%20Logos/Cavaliers.png 8:00 PM EDT TNT


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TheKing23
02-17-2010, 10:56 PM
Denver @ Cleveland
Boston @ LA Lakers (if Kobe doesn't play)

Chacarron
02-17-2010, 10:57 PM
Denver @ Cleveland (hopefully Jamison can play)
Boston @ LA Lakers

Vinny642
02-17-2010, 11:04 PM
Denver
LA
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Hornets make a f***ing move!!

td0tsfinest
02-17-2010, 11:08 PM
for a sec I thought those asterisk signs were swear words. But then I realized it was JB's way of telling people it's the trade deadline.

Kakaroach
02-17-2010, 11:09 PM
I'm more excited for what the TNT crew has to say about all of the trades than the actual games. I'm for sure gonna be tuning in.

mikantsass
02-17-2010, 11:11 PM
I'm more excited for what the TNT crew has to say about all of the trades than the actual games. I'm for sure gonna be tuning in.

I'm sure Chuck and Kenny will be at their finest.

But that is a very good duo of games. Kobe will def play. Cmon, national tv against the C's at home... He's playing.

rabueed
02-18-2010, 12:34 AM
I'm sure Chuck and Kenny will be at their finest.

But that is a very good duo of games. Kobe will def play. Cmon, national tv against the C's at home... He's playing.

yeah, i thought for sure kobe would play, but....

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4922186

it's not a gaurantee, but it doesn't look like he will.

Jack of Blades
02-18-2010, 12:43 AM
Kidd finished with 18 points, 7 rebounds, 10 assists, and 7 steals :speechless:

rabueed
02-18-2010, 12:45 AM
Oh yeah, my picks...

Denver
Boston


Since Kobe isn't playing, I don't see Boston losing. Everyone on the Lakers always seem to struggle against Boston's defense except for Kobe. Still, i'm hoping for a Lakers win..

Ryan328
02-18-2010, 02:00 AM
Cleveland
Boston (no Kobe)

iggypop123
02-18-2010, 02:16 AM
win win for lakers. if the lakers beat the celtics, they embarrass them if they lose its cause kobe didnt play.

Raph12
02-18-2010, 03:11 AM
I got the Nuggets and the Lakers...

The Nuggets because if Jamison joins the team, there will be some chemistry issues in the beginning and the Cavs have struggled against Denver in the past as well, I took the Lakers just because Kobe is probable to be playing.

ko8e24
02-18-2010, 04:57 AM
Lakers 102 Celtics 97

Celtics have a lead in the 4th qtr, but the young energetic Lakers make a comeback and win in the final minutes with poor shot selection by the Celtics and scrambling defense by the Lakers.

stawka
02-18-2010, 05:00 AM
Cavs - Don't know how the Nuggets will do without Karl, and we have to see if the Cavs will use Jamison. Should be a nice game.
Boston if Kobe doesn't play - If he does, Kobe

Both games close.

thedfactor
02-18-2010, 11:49 AM
I got the Cavs and Lakers

Chacarron
02-18-2010, 11:53 AM
I won't be able to watch the Lakers because I have a class :cry:

cowboyz180
02-18-2010, 12:05 PM
Cavs and Celtics

KayNti
02-18-2010, 12:11 PM
No Ilgauskas, Shaq will have a big game for some reason I think and Cavs take the victory.

I have the Celts making a staement this game whether Kobe is in the game or not and if Allen plays, trade rumours are not bothering him as much

CTown81
02-18-2010, 12:15 PM
FYI Jamison will NOT be playing tonight for Cleveland.

He is not scheduled to arrive to CTown until sometime between 4 and 6 PM ET. He will get introduced to the media pregame but will not suit up.

Jamison's first home game in Cleveland will be Tuesday vs New Orleans

TheKing23
02-18-2010, 12:22 PM
The biggest news regarding the Cavs/Nuggets game is the potential return (or debut, whatever way you wanna look at it) of Leon Powe.

He can gives us that extra big body and even if it's only for 10-15 minutes, i'm excited to see what he can do banging down low.

td0tsfinest
02-18-2010, 12:33 PM
The biggest news regarding the Cavs/Nuggets game is the potential return (or debut, whatever way you wanna look at it) of Leon Powe.

He can gives us that extra big body and even if it's only for 10-15 minutes, i'm excited to see what he can do banging down low.

Leon Could be Huge for you guys off the bench. But who's the odd man out now?

Cavs are going to have a 5 man rotation of big men; Shaq, Jamison, Varaejo, Powe and Hickson. Some people are even saying Big Z could return to the Cavs.
Assuming Z doesn't return, it would seem Hickson would be out of the rotation.

ellisgw
02-18-2010, 01:03 PM
Leon Could be Huge for you guys off the bench. But who's the odd man out now?

Cavs are going to have a 5 man rotation of big men; Shaq, Jamison, Varaejo, Powe and Hickson. Some people are even saying Big Z could return to the Cavs.
Assuming Z doesn't return, it would seem Hickson would be out of the rotation.

i can see mike brown running his players in and out like a hockey rotation besides lebron of course. haha

Wilson
02-18-2010, 01:07 PM
It's looking like Kobe is going to miss the game against the Celtics. This obviously sucks for the Lakers, but it will provide a great test for Shannon Brown who has been starting in place of Kobe. If he can compete against the Celtics, I'll be very impressed.

Jays Claw
02-18-2010, 05:07 PM
Denver @ Cleveland
Boston @ LA Lakers

Iron24th
02-18-2010, 05:13 PM
L.A and Denver

coloradobuff
02-18-2010, 05:21 PM
From sportsbook.com

Anthony Parker (Cavs) Total Points+Rebounds+Assists

OVER 12.5 (-105)

Mo Williams likely wont play tonight, and Parker should get more shot attempts and assists as result. He got 16 pts+rebs+assists vs nugs in earlier gm this year.

Best of luck.

Raptor-54
02-18-2010, 05:36 PM
....

Ragun
02-18-2010, 05:37 PM
em okay...is jamison playing tonight

TheKing23
02-18-2010, 05:44 PM
em okay...is jamison playing tonight

No, too soon. He'll make his debut tomorrow against the Bobcats.

Leon Powe should make his Cavs debut tonight...

Ragun
02-18-2010, 05:46 PM
are you sure he isnt playing today? damnnnnn

Ragun
02-18-2010, 06:05 PM
will jamison play tonight?

coloradobuff
02-18-2010, 06:17 PM
jamison is listed as doubtful.

Kohaku
02-18-2010, 07:05 PM
Go nuggets.

ko8e24
02-18-2010, 08:23 PM
GGGRRRRHHHHHHH!!!

Let's beat down those damn leprechauns! :mad:



Oh I'm getting ready and fierce 3 hrs before tip-off yo!

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 09:02 PM
I've been waiting all week for a preview of the 2010 NBA Finals.

Mavrix
02-18-2010, 09:05 PM
Cavs will win in a blow out and Boston will win on a game winner.

bigsams50
02-18-2010, 09:50 PM
Is Kobe playin tonight?

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 10:10 PM
Is Kobe playin tonight?

From yahoo:


Feb 18 Bryant (ankle) is expected to miss Thursday's game against Boston, Lakers.com reports.
Recommendation: This was basically known for at least the past 24 hours, so Bryant probably wasn't really even close to being available for this one. The Lakers won't play again until Tuesday, but there's no guarantee that Bryant will be ready by then. He hasn't played since February 5th.

ManRam
02-18-2010, 10:25 PM
win win for lakers. if the lakers beat the celtics, they embarrass them if they lose its cause kobe didnt play.

Meh. It's win-lose. You either win, or, you lose. No moral victories here. The Lakers won't be celebrating a loss just because Kobe wasn't playing. No win is ever the outcome of a loss.

I do think the Lakers will pull it off though...however.

Wilson
02-18-2010, 10:34 PM
Meh. It's win-lose. You either win, or, you lose. No moral victories here. The Lakers won't be celebrating a loss just because Kobe wasn't playing. No win is ever the outcome of a loss.

I do think the Lakers will pull it off though...however.

I agree, the Lakers can't get complacent and look for excuses. They need to look at tonight as a huge challenge and treat it as such.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 10:39 PM
Did he really just say "The Cavaliers' biggest lead of the night!" about a 2-point lead?

Wilson
02-18-2010, 10:53 PM
Dunk/blocked shot/dunk - great way for the Cavs to build some momentum towards the end of the quarter. Should be a good 4th quarter...

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 10:53 PM
Dunk/blocked shot/dunk - great way for the Cavs to build some momentum towards the end of the quarter. Should be a good 4th quarter...

Absolutely mauling Melo to the tune of zero whistles doesn't hurt either... :rolleyes:

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:05 PM
Absolutely mauling Melo to the tune of zero whistles doesn't hurt either... :rolleyes:

I've only seen bits and pieces of the game so far so I can't comment properly on the officiating but just looking at the box score, 'Melo has 14 free throws already which is a pretty good number.

I wish they wouldn't play the music from The Godfather when Mo Williams scores...

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:06 PM
LeBron's line is going to be off the charts tonight.

And Den, Melo has been to the line 14 times. The whistle has blown at least a few times ;)

The refs have been very equal this game.

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:07 PM
This game is proof again. Kobe is the best clutch shooter...but LeBron is without a doubt the best overall 4th quarter closer. He takes over early enough so buzzer beaters aren't a necessity. He's doing it again.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:12 PM
Renaldo Balkman looks strange in a suit.

Sox Appeal
02-18-2010, 11:14 PM
This is one of the worst games I've seen LBJ play all season, and he could end up going 25+/20. Whatta player.

We are all witnesses.


Kobe is the best clutch shooter

Really? You would put him ahead of Carmelo?

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 11:14 PM
Should be a great finish.

We are watching a preview of the 2010 Finals and it's been awesome so far. 3 turnovers for Denver is amazing given how good the Cavs defense is

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:16 PM
This is one of the worst games I've seen LBJ play all season, and he could end up going 25+/20. Whatta player.

We are all witnesses.



Really? You would put him ahead of Carmelo?

We are definitely all witnessing something amazing. He has been pretty bad, for LeBron standards, but his stat line is just insane. It's amazing.

And yes, Kobe is a better clutch shooter than Melo.

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:21 PM
Why do they play Soulja Boy after LeBron makes a play...

I thought he made his opinions of Soulja Boy very clear.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:24 PM
This is one of the worst games I've seen LBJ play all season, and he could end up going 25+/20. Whatta player.

We are all witnesses.



Really? You would put him ahead of Carmelo?

Not sure how you could call the 3rd triple-dub of his season one of his worst games. :shrug:

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:26 PM
Yeah I don't understand how this has been a bad game for LeBron either. He has 31 points, 15 assists and 11 rebounds so far, has hit half of his field goal attempts and hasn't turned the ball over. He has a few blocks and steals as well.

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:28 PM
He had a bad first half...especially scoring-wise. He really didn't look very dominant until the second half. He was distributing as always (10+ assists in 8 of his last 10)...but still. For him, that was a terrible first half.

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:28 PM
He definitely was fouled there...wow.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:29 PM
These commentators are such Cavs nutlickers. Making such a big deal about that one no-call. How about the 12 or so no-calls on Nuggets plays?

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 11:31 PM
Wow, that move by Carmelo was amazing.

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:31 PM
Wah wah wah...


Melo with a beautiful move. LeBron responds with the three.

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:34 PM
Chauncey absolutely was fouled there. If contact ever causes a travel or turn-over, how can they not call the foul?

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:35 PM
Wow. On to OT. This should be great. They played great defense on LeBron just then. Chauncey had a shot there.

LeBron had 18 points in the 4th. Holy ****!

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:35 PM
the 12 or so no-calls on Nuggets plays?

And another one.

Er1c
02-18-2010, 11:36 PM
lool no calls

ko8e24
02-18-2010, 11:37 PM
Didn't Lebron get a AND 1 when Melo didn't even touch, and went Melo went in against Varejao, he didn't get the call but still made it?

And no foul for pushing Billups out of bounds. (that was much much more blatant than lebron not getting his call for the 3 pt attempt)

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:38 PM
Ref whining never gets old.

The bad calls have gone both ways. Den sees it a Cavs nutlicking though, so it's okay ;)

There have been a lot of no calls on both sides. Let's be honest.

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 11:38 PM
Another spectacular move from Carmelo.

Don't see how people think Durant is already better

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:40 PM
Wow.

What a great individual performance by these two superstars.

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:42 PM
The Cavs have missed 16 FTs. Jesus.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:45 PM
Mister Big Shot! Yeah! :clap:

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:45 PM
I love how Melo has taken the James defensive assignment in OT, too.

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:47 PM
I love how Melo has taken the James defensive assignment in OT, too.

Me too, that's a really under-rated aspect of Carmelo's game. He's shown himself to be a good defender and has taken these types of responsibilities a few times now. I'm sure I don't need to remind you about that, but I just think it's worth saying...:p

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:49 PM
Wow. That three from LeBron looked good...both times.

Can't hit everything can you...

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:50 PM
I don't get why LeBron was forcing that three point shot. It's a three point game with 40 seconds left, that's plenty of time to get a shot near the basket followed by a defensive stop. Bad decision making there in my opinion.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:50 PM
My head is about to explode.

Squad13
02-18-2010, 11:50 PM
Lebron should stop the pull up 3, I can't believe Martin threw that ball away.:facepalm:

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 11:50 PM
Wow. That three from LeBron looked good...both times.

Can't hit everything can you...

Yeah, shame he didn't make one, though the smart move was probably to attack the basket.

How cool is it that TNT cut to the Lakers-Celtics game instead of a commercial.


SICK, 3 the hard way

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:51 PM
What a game...

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:52 PM
Melo over James!

Wow. Great to see the stars guarding each other late in the game.

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:52 PM
Go to Carmelo for the win...

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 11:52 PM
Hard to argue Carmelo isn't the best clutch shooter in the league...

Squad13
02-18-2010, 11:52 PM
In your face bron bron, please get this game over with.

Squad13
02-18-2010, 11:53 PM
Hard to argue Carmelo isn't the best clutch shooter in the league...

lol really?:facepalm:

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:53 PM
LeBron got too shot happy. He did have some nice passes late in that game, and his shooters did miss a few...but he was facilitating all game long, and looked for his shot way too much to end the 4th and OT.

JNA17
02-18-2010, 11:53 PM
Hard to argue Carmelo isn't the best clutch shooter in the league...

:facepalm:

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:53 PM
Carmelo is just amazing. Great shot there :clap:

What the hell, let's not roll over now Lakers...

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:53 PM
Wow.

I thought that was good.

Great game. Love to see that as a Finals match up.

Squad13
02-18-2010, 11:54 PM
God damn he is a pouty *****

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 11:55 PM
Carmelo shoots close to 50% on game winners, Kobe isn't close to that.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:55 PM
wOOt! :clap:

Statik1
02-18-2010, 11:55 PM
Was James about to cry ? lol

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:55 PM
Hard to argue Carmelo isn't the best clutch shooter in the league...


lol really?:facepalm:


:facepalm:

I don't know where to find the exact stat, but since he came into the league Carmelo has had as many game winning/tying shots as anyone in the league. He's been tremendous in pressure situations.

DenButsu
02-18-2010, 11:55 PM
Great game. Love to see that as a Finals match up.

So would I. :nod:

JNA17
02-18-2010, 11:56 PM
Carmelo shoots close to 50% on game winners, Kobe isn't close to that.

once again, :facepalm:

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:56 PM
God damn he is a pouty *****

C'mon. He is pissed. Don't act like your boy doesn't show a lot of anger after losses. Kobe does the same ****. Anything that there is to bash LeBron about, it will be bashed. :rolleyes:

You want him to be smiling and laughing?

TheKing23
02-18-2010, 11:56 PM
God damn he is a pouty *****

You expect him to be smiling after having your 13 game win streak snapped in an overtime...?

Wilson
02-18-2010, 11:57 PM
Andrew Bynum had a great first quarter against the Celtics in January before the Lakers stopped going to him. Hopefully he has a strong game tonight and sees the ball throughout the game.

He just took a pretty ugly shot as I was typing though...dang...

TheKing23
02-18-2010, 11:57 PM
Amazing game from Melo though, gotta give credit were credit's due...

Hopefully this will be an early look into the NBA finals...

ManRam
02-18-2010, 11:58 PM
I am fairly anti-Kobe on this site, just because the opportunites arise 24/7...but despite what the numbers say, I'd want Kobe taking the last shot over anyone in the league.

Hitting the most game-winners is a flawed stat. A player could go seasons without having that chance...

Kobe is on a different level of last-second-shot clutch. Melo is as close as it gets, but not there yet.

AirCanada15ORL
02-18-2010, 11:58 PM
I'm not here to bash Lebron. But was he crying? I'm being literal. It looked like there were tears wtf

Statik1
02-18-2010, 11:58 PM
Carmelo shoots close to 50% on game winners, Kobe isn't close to that.

http://tinyurl.com/ya3dac8

ChiSox219
02-18-2010, 11:58 PM
once again, :facepalm:

I value your opinion less than the Knicks value Eddy Curry.


rick for COY, the gm sucks

Sox Appeal
02-18-2010, 11:58 PM
I don't know where to find the exact stat, but since he came into the league Carmelo has had as many game winning/tying shots as anyone in the league. He's been tremendous in pressure situations.

http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Melo has shot 48% on GWs since coming into the league, Kobe has shot 25% in the same time frame. It's no contest, Melo is the best player in the league, in GW situations.

TheKing23
02-18-2010, 11:59 PM
LeBron's statline: 43 points, 13 rebounds, 15 assists, 2 steals and 4 blocks.

First player since 1974 to have a 40/10/15 game... Unbelievable, but disappointing in a loss.

JordansBulls
02-18-2010, 11:59 PM
Good win for the Nuggets, but lets not forget Jamison didn't play.

Avenged
02-19-2010, 12:00 AM
Yeah it looked like Lebron was about to cry, shoot I probably would have too lol. The shot looked like it was going in.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:00 AM
and great game, Melo hit a huge shot. Billups 3 was pretty huge too, KMart stepped up. Loved the intensity in this. I was nervous on Lebron's last heave.

ChiSox219
02-19-2010, 12:00 AM
I am fairly anti-Kobe on this site, just because the opportunites arise 24/7...but despite what the numbers say, I'd want Kobe taking the last shot over anyone in the league.

Hitting the most game-winners is a flawed stat. A player could go seasons without having that chance...

Kobe is on a different level of last-second-shot clutch. Melo is as close as it gets, but not there yet.

That's why I go by shooting %



http://tinyurl.com/ya3dac8

Whatever, the numbers don't lie nor hate.

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 12:00 AM
I value your opinion less than the Knicks value Eddy Curry.

:laugh:

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:01 AM
I'm not here to bash Lebron. But was he crying? I'm being literal. It looked like there were tears wtf

He was definitely not crying. I just rewound it. He did look extremely pissed, and who wouldn't be. They just lost a thriller in OT, ending a 13 game win streak. That's just his scowl.

bahama0811
02-19-2010, 12:01 AM
Good win for the Nuggets, but lets not forget Jamison didn't play.

There's always an excuse when the Nuggets beat the upper echelon teams, it never fails.

ChiSox219
02-19-2010, 12:02 AM
Oh yeah, I took Denver ML +250

:dance:

Sox Appeal
02-19-2010, 12:02 AM
That's why I go by shooting %


+1. And it's not like we don't have enough data to make a conclusion. Kobe has taken a GW 56 times, Carmelo has taken a GW 27 times. Kobe makes the GW 25% time, Melo makes them 48% of the time. Like you said, the numbers don't lie, nor hate. They are what they are.

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 12:02 AM
once again, :facepalm:

Instead of a useless emoticon, why don't you provide us with some statistical evidence that backs up why you think that's such a ridiculous thing to say?

Otherwise, why should we take your post any more seriously?

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 12:03 AM
Good win for the Nuggets, but lets not forget Jamison didn't play.

Mo only played 18 minutes aswell, but i'm not making excuses... The Nuggets thoroughly deserved the W.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:04 AM
+1. And it's not like we don't have enough data to make a conclusion. Kobe has taken a GW 56 times, Carmelo has taken a GW 27 times. Kobe makes the GW 25% time, Melo makes them 48% of the time. Like you said, the numbers don't like, nor hate. They are what they are.

You realize there are lots of different circumstances right? If you want Melo shooting a last second shot over Kobe, than you're out of your mind.

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:04 AM
The Celtics look damn good so far...

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 12:04 AM
There's always an excuse when the Nuggets beat the upper echelon teams, it never fails.

No man not at all, you guys played hard and deserved the win over us. I can admit when we're outplayed and tonight was one of those nights.

Well done to you guys, I wanna see you in the finals.

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 12:05 AM
and great game, Melo hit a huge shot. Billups 3 was pretty huge too, KMart stepped up. Loved the intensity in this. I was nervous on Lebron's last heave.

I might argue that Billups' 3 was even bigger than Melo's game winner. Just because it put the Cavs back 6 and forced them to play from behind and change their offensive approach. Chauncey doesn't make that shot, maybe LeBron drives to the basket for a couple 2s instead of putting up a few missed 3s, and maybe Melo never gets the chance to hit the buzzer beater.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:06 AM
No man not at all, you guys played hard and deserved the win over us. I can admit when we're outplayed and tonight was one of those nights.

Well done to you guys, I wanna see you in the finals.

We have owned the Nuggs the last few years, a healthy Lakers squad is a going to be tough to beat come playoffs

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:07 AM
http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Melo has shot 48% on GWs since coming into the league, Kobe has shot 25% in the same time frame. It's no contest, Melo is the best player in the league, in GW situations.

That's just insane. I feel like a broken record because I think I've been saying this for at least a year and a half now, but Carmelo is incredibly under-rated.

Also, hell yeah Andrew!

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:07 AM
I might argue that Billups' 3 was even bigger than Melo's game winner. Just because it put the Cavs back 6 and forced them to play from behind and change their offensive approach. Chauncey doesn't make that shot, maybe LeBron drives to the basket for a couple 2s instead of putting up a few missed 3s, and maybe Melo never gets the chance to hit the buzzer beater.

What was JR thinking when he fouled Parker... and Kmart throwing the ball away to Anderson, seems like Lebron always gets multiples shots because he team is so savy at getting the loose balls, Anderson looks like a moron but I'd take him on my team any day of the week.

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 12:07 AM
We have owned the Nuggs the last few years, a healthy Lakers squad is a going to be tough to beat come playoffs

And so is a healthy Nuggets team... It'll be a close WCF's if that's what it comes to.

twoearl
02-19-2010, 12:09 AM
C'mon. He is pissed. Don't act like your boy doesn't show a lot of anger after losses. Kobe does the same ****. Anything that there is to bash LeBron about, it will be bashed. :rolleyes:

You want him to be smiling and laughing?

I love bron but he is going to need to grow up and stop acting like a big brat. No i dont want him smiling and joking, but at least stay out and shake hands. He ran off the court so fast after he missed like the place was on fire. It was like he didn't want to have the attention on him after he missed the last shot.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:09 AM
And so is a healthy Nuggets team... It'll be a close WCF's if that's what it comes to.

I agree it will be a battle and not an easy series, but I like our chances. Billups and Melo will get theirs but our length causes problems for the likes of nene and the other quality role players on the Nuggs.

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:11 AM
I love bron but he is going to need to grow up and stop acting like a big brat. No i dont want him smiling and joking, but at least stay out and shake hands. He ran off the court so fast after he missed like the place was on fire. It was like he didn't want to have the attention on him after he missed the last shot.

What is this shaking hands thing?

NO ONE DOES IT. NO ONE. Watch an NBA basketball game. At the end, if players are on the court, some will shake hands, most will point and acknowledge, the rest just go straight to the locker room. Only the coaches shake. This isn't college where teams lineup.

Seriously. LeBron is one of 100s of NBA players that doesn't shake hands after bad losses, but he's the only one who gets vilified for it. That makes no sense.

It is a little different after the last game of a playoff series, but even so, most players wont shake hands.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:11 AM
It seems like the Celtics cant miss right now. Still think the Lakers will pull out a win

ChiSox219
02-19-2010, 12:12 AM
We have owned the Nuggs the last few years, a healthy Lakers squad is a going to be tough to beat come playoffs

This year the Nuggets have crushed the Lakers twice. Last time it was in LA without Carmelo. There are excuses that can be made, like Kobe was banged up or Pau didn't play the first game but the point is, the Nuggets have come together this year and have a good chance to win the West. The Conference Finals will be an awesome watch for NBA fans and I can't wait.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:13 AM
This year the Nuggets have crushed the Lakers twice. Last time it was in LA without Carmelo. There are excuses that can be made, like Kobe was banged up or Pau didn't play the first game but the point is, the Nuggets have come together this year and have a good chance to win the West. The Conference Finals will be an awesome watch for NBA fans and I can't wait.

Regular season means nothing come playoff time, your magic swept us and we all know what happened after that.

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 12:14 AM
Let's go Boston! (Never thought i'd say that...)

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:14 AM
watching the Lakers w/o Kobe makes me remember how Odom could be a top level player. Point Forwards are popular now. And he's a damn good one.

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:14 AM
Wow.

I never understood why the Lakers don't let Odom handle the ball more than he does. He can create some pretty good opportunities out there. He's an amazing ball handler for his size. That was a nice pass to hit the buzzer beater.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:15 AM
Odom is like the black Turkoglu.

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 12:16 AM
Regular season means nothing come playoff time, your magic swept us and we all know what happened after that.

I agree with some of the things you're saying but I hate it when people use this argument...

I guarantee if you where to look back at the records of teams who got swept in the regular season and then won in the playoffs against the same team, there would be very few.

I'm sorry but it's just not a legit argument...

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 12:17 AM
We have owned the Nuggs the last few years, a healthy Lakers squad is a going to be tough to beat come playoffs

"Over the last few years" includes the "pre-Billups, K-Mart missing a season here, Nene missing a season there" era, which is completely irrelevant now.

I think the teams are much more evenly matched now than they have been... well, ever, in the Melo/Kobe era. I think last year's playoffs and this season's two games (so far) are pretty solid proof that Denver can at least hang with the Lakers and play them as competitively as any team in the league. And to me, that means they have a legit shot to beat them in the playoffs. Still won't be favored, still will be underdogs, but will have a much better chance than most Lakers fans, most NBA fans, and probably even most Nuggets fans give them credit for right now.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:17 AM
Wow.

I never understood why the Lakers don't let Odom handle the ball more than he does. He can create some pretty good opportunities out there. He's an amazing ball handler for his size. That was a nice pass to hit the buzzer beater.

Odom is a bit of an enigma, at times he seems like a legit all star. Other times he becomes too passive , has trouble finishing at the rack and always misses free throws. As versatile as they come, but has a tendency to jack up too many 3's and falls in love with his inconsistent jumper.

Lost Art
02-19-2010, 12:17 AM
Lebron had a HELL of a game tonight, simply amazing...........with that being said, he pouted off the court like a little girl. I'm over Lebron's diva BS. He seems like a real A-hole. Shake hands with the other team like a man, and walk off the court with your teammates. Bad sportsmanship at its best :pity:

twoearl
02-19-2010, 12:17 AM
What is this shaking hands thing?

NO ONE DOES IT. NO ONE. Watch an NBA basketball game. At the end, if players are on the court, some will shake hands, most will point and acknowledge, the rest just go straight to the locker room. Only the coaches shake. This isn't college where teams lineup.

Seriously. LeBron is one of 100s of NBA players that doesn't shake hands after bad losses, but he's the only one who gets vilified for it. That makes no sense.

It is a little different after the last game of a playoff series, but even so, most players wont shake hands.

Yeah but Melo is supposed to be his boy. It would of been nice to show a little love to him. And it look like he was about to cry anyway. I dont know maybe we are just looking to deep into cuz it's bron but It just seems anytime things dont go Bron's way he always makes a SUPERFAST exit. To me a true champion is strong in times of winning and defeat.

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:18 AM
Wow.

I never understood why the Lakers don't let Odom handle the ball more than he does. He can create some pretty good opportunities out there. He's an amazing ball handler for his size. That was a nice pass to hit the buzzer beater.

Throughout his career in LA he's had a tendency to commit charges and make bad decisions when he's asked to handle the ball a lot. In small doses though he can be really good.

Great finish to the quarter for the Lakers, they need to make something happen defensively though. The Celtics starters went 13/17 from the field.

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:18 AM
I also don't think anything that happened in the past really matters in terms of team-to-team matchups. Certainly not more than one season ago. Saying "We own Denver in the playoffs" because of last year is kind of a legit argument. Saying "We own Denver in the playoffs" referring to like the last 4 years is a joke. We live in the present, the past is the past.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:18 AM
I agree with some of the things you're saying but I hate it when people use this argument...

I guarantee if you where to look back at the records of teams who got swept in the regular season and then won in the playoffs against the same team, there would be very few.

I'm sorry but it's just not a legit argument...

Its certainly a confidence boost for the team that won, all I'm saying is its not a huge advantage by any means.

IndiansFan337
02-19-2010, 12:18 AM
The Cavs didn't play enough D tonight in the 1st & 4th qtr's.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:20 AM
"Over the last few years" includes the "pre-Billups, K-Mart missing a season here, Nene missing a season there" era, which is completely irrelevant now.

I think the teams are much more evenly matched now than they have been... well, ever, in the Melo/Kobe era. I think last year's playoffs and this season's two games (so far) are pretty solid proof that Denver can at least hang with the Lakers and play them as competitively as any team in the league. And to me, that means they have a legit shot to beat them in the playoffs. Still won't be favored, still will be underdogs, but will have a much better chance than most Lakers fans, most NBA fans, and probably even most Nuggets fans give them credit for right now.

I agree completely, the Nuggets are probably the last team I want to see out West, they have the talent and leadership to upset us. The emotion with the Karl situiation could also motivate them to another level (not that they need any motivation)

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:20 AM
Lebron had a HELL of a game tonight, simply amazing...........with that being said, he pouted off the court like a little girl. I'm over Lebron's diva BS. He seems like a real A-hole. Shake hands with the other team like a man, and walk off the court with your teammates. Bad sportsmanship at its best :pity:

Watch the end of this game and tell me how many players shake hands. I say no more than 4 or 5...and it's because they're on the court.

Again, this isn't NCAA. Teams don't lineup and shake. I'd say between 80%-90% of players will walk off the court without a single hand shake.

I love how he is the only one who gets vilified for it though.

I know I'm repeating myself, it's just ridiculous how much **** this guy gets because he is the best...and the media darling.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:21 AM
I also don't think anything that happened in the past really matters in terms of team-to-team matchups. Certainly not more than one season ago. Saying "We own Denver in the playoffs" because of last year is kind of a legit argument. Saying "We own Denver in the playoffs" referring to like the last 4 years is a joke. We live in the present, the past is the past.

Contradict yourself much?:D

ChiSox219
02-19-2010, 12:22 AM
Regular season means nothing come playoff time, your magic swept us and we all know what happened after that.

Eh, I guess that's sorta true, but the Nuggets match up well against the Lakers and they did force 6 games last year without Lawson and Afflalo. It was Andersen's first full year back and Billups didn't come in until the season started. Carmelo is also playing the best basketball of his career. I don't know how Karl's condition will effect the team but if I had to guess it's going to pull the group tighter together.


watching the Lakers w/o Kobe makes me remember how Odom could be a top level player. Point Forwards are popular now. And he's a damn good one.

Odom is the man, he's the reason why I said the Lakers would be fine without Kobe, though Gasol ain't bad either

_KB24_
02-19-2010, 12:22 AM
Stopping getting off ****ing topic. Talk about the current game.

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:23 AM
I also don't think anything that happened in the past really matters in terms of team-to-team matchups. Certainly not more than one season ago. Saying "We own Denver in the playoffs" because of last year is kind of a legit argument. Saying "We own Denver in the playoffs" referring to like the last 4 years is a joke. We live in the present, the past is the past.

I think we can look at things since they got Chauncey Billups, but even with the win in the play-offs last year we can't look at the Nuggets as a guaranteed out.

They played us really tough in five out of six games. This season they come in with a full training camp with Chauncey Billups, lots of experience gained for their young guys and a knowledge of how to win. Then they come in and have their way with us at Staples Center while Carmelo is hurt.

I do think the Lakers have a good shot at beating the Nuggets should we play in the play-offs, but it is by no means a guaranteed win, and nothing will be easy against them.

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:23 AM
Contradict yourself much?:D

No I didn't. Read it again. I'm saying last year might be relevant, but anything past last year is absolutely irrelevant in terms of team record verse other teams.

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 12:23 AM
The Cavs didn't play enough D tonight in the 1st & 4th qtr's.

Probably not very many people would agree with me about this, but I think Lawson was actually the difference maker in the 4th quarter. He didn't really make any specific plays that had a huge impact. But the Nuggets offense had gone completely stagnant in the 3rd quarter, and Ty changed up the pace and created some opportunities for penetration that hadn't been there before he entered the game. That kind of opened things up for J.R. to get going a little bit, and that in turn created better floor spacing for Denver that allowed them to run their offense and get better looks for all of their scorers.

Lawson didn't have a great game if you look at the box score. But even if he wasn't so hot individually, the boost that a change-of-pace pg can have on a dynamic offense like Denver's is easy to underestimate.

Lost Art
02-19-2010, 12:23 AM
Watch the end of this game and tell me how many players shake hands. I say no more than 4 or 5...and it's because they're on the court.

Again, this isn't NCAA. Teams don't lineup and shake. I'd say between 80%-90% of players will walk off the court without a single hand shake.

I love how he is the only one who gets vilified for it though.

I know I'm repeating myself, it's just ridiculous how much **** this guy gets because he is the best...and the media darling.

Come on, Lebron's exit was definitely a-typical. That was not a normal exit. Usually top stars, especially in a duel like the one Melo and Lebron were in tonight, at least acknowledge each other after the game. Also Lebron stormed off the court ahead of his teammates, didn't acknowledge the home town crowds, and looked like he wanted to punch someone. Don't play that off like it was nothing, because it wasn't.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:24 AM
Its not that Lebron didn't shake hands, its the way he looks as he walks off the court, he might as well stomp his feet on his way out. I don't think he should have to shake hands but maybe walk out with your team, or point out to Melo as he walks off, like most do. Lebron is a beast and his potential is unlimited, he is the most gifted player to pick up a basketball and was able to surpass the hype. His is however a bit immature and it rubs alot of people the wrong way. he is very young and it would be hard not to have an ego

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:24 AM
Stopping getting off ****ing topic. Talk about the current game.

Anyone watching figure skating? Evan Lysacek just laid down some major pwnage.

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 12:25 AM
Stopping getting off ****ing topic. Talk about the current game.

Talking about the first game is not off topic. The game thread is for both games.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:26 AM
No I didn't. Read it again. I'm saying last year might be relevant, but anything past last year is absolutely irrelevant in terms of team record verse other teams.

I believe last year is the past.. is it not?

Avenged
02-19-2010, 12:26 AM
Yeah Odom is the man. If only he would be more consistent in finishing a lay up...

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:27 AM
Come on, Lebron's exit was definitely a-typical. That was not a normal exit. Usually top stars, especially in a duel like the one Melo and Lebron were in tonight, at least acknowledge each other after the game. Also Lebron stormed off the court ahead of his teammates, didn't acknowledge the home town crowds, and looked like he wanted to punch someone. Don't play that off like it was nothing, because it wasn't.

No. It really wasn't nothing. Kobe gets very emotional/upset after loses...and goes to the locker room without hand shaking. He's the most emotional player in the league IMO, which is a great thing. Just look at his scowl. Just pay closer attention to the end of games. It happens all the time, everyone does it.

What the hell is wrong with being upset, and going to the locker room? Especially when it isn't expected by anyone to shake hands. That doesn't happen in the NBA. You cannot deny that if this was anyone else, there wouldn't be a peep about it.

Would I like to see everyone shake hands and smile? Sure...why the **** not. Does it happen all the time? No, never.

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:27 AM
Odom is the man, he's the reason why I said the Lakers would be fine without Kobe, though Gasol ain't bad either

As the second option Lamar was really frustrating. He was way too inconsistent. However when Andrew started giving us double doubles in 2008, then when we got Pau, Lamar really flourished. As the third option/sixth man he can pick his spots a lot more and concentrate on moving the ball around rather than scoring, which he's much more comfortable doing.

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 12:27 AM
That's just insane. I feel like a broken record because I think I've been saying this for at least a year and a half now, but Carmelo is incredibly under-rated.

Also, hell yeah Andrew!

he is....call me crazy but I think melo is 2nd best in the game behind Bron.....he can do anything he wants on the court...I put him above kobe, because kobe has lost a step or two and I put him above Wade because of his size and range......AMAZING finish tonight in cleveland...........

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:28 AM
No. It really wasn't nothing. Kobe gets very emotional/upset after loses...and goes to the locker room without hand shaking. He's the most emotional player in the league IMO, which is a great thing. Just look at his scowl. Just pay closer attention to the end of games. It happens all the time, everyone does it.

What the hell is wrong with being upset, and going to the locker room? Especially when it isn't expected by anyone to shake hands. That doesn't happen in the NBA. You cannot deny that if this was anyone else, there wouldn't be a peep about it.

Would I like to see everyone shake hands and smile? Sure...why the **** not. Does it happen all the time? No, never.

Read above

_KB24_
02-19-2010, 12:28 AM
Talking about the first game is not off topic. The game thread is for both games.

Talking about the WCF and all this other BS is though.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:29 AM
he is....call me crazy but I think melo is 2nd best in the game behind Bron.....he can do anything he wants on the court...I put him above kobe, because kobe has lost a step or two and I put him above Wade because of his size and range......AMAZING finish tonight in cleveland...........

You're crazy

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:29 AM
I believe last year is the past.. is it not?

Read the second sentence. Wilson got it. It really isn't confusing.

_KB24_
02-19-2010, 12:30 AM
Anyone watching figure skating? Evan Lysacek just laid down some major pwnage.

Your so cool. :rolleyes:

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 12:30 AM
No. It really wasn't nothing. Kobe gets very emotional/upset after loses...and goes to the locker room without hand shaking. He's the most emotional player in the league IMO, which is a great thing. Just look at his scowl. Just pay closer attention to the end of games. It happens all the time, everyone does it.

What the hell is wrong with being upset, and going to the locker room? Especially when it isn't expected by anyone to shake hands. That doesn't happen in the NBA. You cannot deny that if this was anyone else, there wouldn't be a peep about it.

Would I like to see everyone shake hands and smile? Sure...why the **** not. Does it happen all the time? No, never.

i agree....i personally would be pissed as a cavs fan if lebron was too friendly after the game...that used to kill me when shemac was a rocket...way too friendly after tough losses...I wanna see you mad as hell damnit.

Statik1
02-19-2010, 12:31 AM
What a dunk!

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:31 AM
Read the second sentence. Wilson got it. It really isn't confusing.

Obviously comparing the teams that were alot different, no Billups etc isn't a worthy comparison. I'm just trying to stir the pot brosif

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:32 AM
Your so cool. :rolleyes:

Sorry if us talking about Denver/LA bothers so much. How dare we talk about that! :rolleyes:

It was a serious question. He just set a record.

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:34 AM
he is....call me crazy but I think melo is 2nd best in the game behind Bron.....he can do anything he wants on the court...I put him above kobe, because kobe has lost a step or two and I put him above Wade because of his size and range......AMAZING finish tonight in cleveland...........

As far as their actual basketball skillsets Carmelo is right there, although I don't think he's come as far as a leader to completely overtake Kobe yet. He'll get there though.

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 12:35 AM
As the second option Lamar was really frustrating. He was way too inconsistent. However when Andrew started giving us double doubles in 2008, then when we got Pau, Lamar really flourished. As the third option/sixth man he can pick his spots a lot more and concentrate on moving the ball around rather than scoring, which he's much more comfortable doing.

Maybe it could be said that he's more Kucoc than Pippen? :rolleyes:

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:36 AM
Wow. Nice play on both ends there.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:36 AM
That is not a foul

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:37 AM
The Lakers can't keep on playing from behind. They did a good job getting it back in the first quarter but it's all gone now and we have an uphill climb ahead of us again. We need to put a full game together from here on out because the Celtics are too good when they get on runs like these.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:37 AM
eh Manram take off the goggles. It's not hard to see the difference between Kobe getting pissed walking off the court, to Lebron stomping his feet off the court.
You dont see the immaturity in James? Alright well I can see a vast maturity difference between Kobe and Lebron.

and wow that was a vintage Ray Allen finish there! Same with Artest's earlier.
The Lakers could be a 3-4 seed without Kobe.

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:39 AM
Maybe it could be said that he's more Kucoc than Pippen? :rolleyes:

Haha, perhaps. He's definitely no Pippen, but he's doing a good job for us.

:speechless: :speechless: More drives like that please Lamar!

ManRam
02-19-2010, 12:40 AM
eh Manram take off the goggles. It's not hard to see the difference between Kobe getting pissed walking off the court, to Lebron stomping his feet off the court.
You dont see the immaturity in James? Alright well I can see a vast maturity difference between Kobe and Lebron.

and wow that was a vintage Ray Allen finish there! Same with Artest's earlier.
The Lakers could be a 3-4 seed without Kobe.

What goggles? Last time I checked, I could give two ***** about the Cavs.

I just don't see the evil person most LeBron-haters do. I see a player who for the first 4-5 seasons seemingly never ever talked to the media because he's very quiet, well spoken, and not an attention whore. I see a guy who can sneeze at the wrong time and be crucified for it. Basically, I see a good person vilified because of his star power.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:41 AM
What goggles? Last time I checked, I could give two ***** about the Cavs.

I just don't see the evil person most LeBron-haters do. I see a player who for the first 4-5 seasons seemingly never ever talked to the media because he's very quiet, well spoken, and not an attention whore. I see a guy who can sneeze at the wrong time and be crucified for it. Basically, I see a good person vilified because of his star power.

Nobody is saying he is evil, he just acts like an immature child at times. You defend him likes he's your cousin.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:41 AM
Dam ODOM! Perkins poster!
seriously though what an underachiever. I know he took on a role behind Kobe, but the man could have been great.

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 12:41 AM
FWIW I have absolutely no problem with players, including LBJ, being emotional after a loss. If you leave everything you've got out there on the court and you still come up short, you're gonna feel it, and no need to pretend otherwise.

But the look on his face was kind of amusing, that's all.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:42 AM
I'm not a Lebron hater. I just dont care for the guy, especially his personality.

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 12:42 AM
Haha, perhaps. He's definitely no Pippen, but he's doing a good job for us.

:speechless: :speechless: More drives like that please Lamar!

BTW, comparison is strictly about his role on the team as 3rd fiddle, not in terms of style of play, strengths/weaknesses, etc.

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 12:44 AM
As far as their actual basketball skillsets Carmelo is right there, although I don't think he's come as far as a leader to completely overtake Kobe yet. He'll get there though.

i can see your point on that one...with that being said I don't think kobe's leadership offsets melo's skill at this point in both of their careers..........

Avenged
02-19-2010, 12:44 AM
Lamar Odom wants Perk and Allen on his poster!

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:45 AM
WOW 2 Posters by Odom tonight! Dude is in beast mode. Now if he could stop KG

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:47 AM
BTW, comparison is strictly about his role on the team as 3rd fiddle, not in terms of style of play, strengths/weaknesses, etc.

Yeah I can see that. It's been great to see him find a role where he can excel, he does so much for us when he's playing with confidence.

Fish :speechless:

ChiSox219
02-19-2010, 12:52 AM
What a board by Odom.

He's a star.

Wilson
02-19-2010, 12:54 AM
i can see your point on that one...with that being said I don't think kobe's leadership offsets melo's skill at this point in both of their careers..........

I don't know, I think Kobe's skillset is still as high as anyone's right now. He can still get up and down the court and although he's lost some athleticism he's countered that with good footwork which allows him to get good shots off. He can still play defense and rebound, plus he has that fade-away which is still a good shot.

Like I said though I think Carmelo is on the rise, I just don't think he's better than Kobe just yet.

Derek Fisher is playing really poorly right now...

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 12:55 AM
I can't believe the amount of hate LeBron gets for being the best player in the league... Everything he does is scrutinized to the fullest extent.

Go back and watch Michael Jordan after losses... He stormed off courts looking like he wanted to kill someone when he lost. But it's ok, because it's his competitive nature... LeBron's just immature and a crybaby, has nothing to do with his will to win. None whatsoever...

Next time Kobe storms off after a loss, watch his reaction and tell me how different it will be to LeBron's, and then come onto these forums and see how much flack he gets for it... None, because "he's just competitive".

I suppose it's something LeBron has to deal with though... It comes with being the best player in the league.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:57 AM
I can't believe the amount of hate LeBron gets for being the best player in the league... Everything he does is scrutinized to the fullest extent.

Go back and watch Michael Jordan after losses... He stormed off courts looking like he wanted to kill someone when he lost. But it's ok, because it's his competitive nature... LeBron's just immature and a crybaby, has nothing to do with his will to win. None whatsoever...

Next time Kobe storms off after a loss, watch his reaction and tell me how different it will be to LeBron's, and then come onto these forums and see how much flack he gets for it... None, because "he's just competitive".

I suppose it's something LeBron has to deal with though... It comes with being the best player in the league.

In your opinion, and you can't say he doesn't have the look of a child when he storms off, because he clearly does.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:58 AM
There's definently a difference in the way Lebron acts compared to the way Kobe or MJ acts. Please ppl

Squad13
02-19-2010, 12:58 AM
Side note, Mcdonalds has the worst and dumbest commercials I've ever seen

ChiSox219
02-19-2010, 12:58 AM
I can't believe the amount of hate LeBron gets for being the best player in the league... Everything he does is scrutinized to the fullest extent.

Go back and watch Michael Jordan after losses... He stormed off courts looking like he wanted to kill someone when he lost. But it's ok, because it's his competitive nature... LeBron's just immature and a crybaby, has nothing to do with his will to win. None whatsoever...

Next time Kobe storms off after a loss, watch his reaction and tell me how different it will be to LeBron's, and then come onto these forums and see how much flack he gets for it... None, because "he's just competitive".

I suppose it's something LeBron has to deal with though... It comes with being the best player in the league.

If it's any consolation, I'm a Bulls fan so I have all the reasons in the world to hate Lebron, but I take no issue with how he behaves after games or the dancing he does in games.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 12:58 AM
"it comes with being the best player in the league". Come on dude you're just making yourself look childish

Draco
02-19-2010, 01:00 AM
What does being a Bulls fan have to do with hating Lebron? I'm a big fan of Lebron.

Squad13
02-19-2010, 01:01 AM
What does being a Bulls fan have to do with hating Lebron? I'm a big fan of Lebron.

And a legendary Kobe hater, nice to see you around here.

Draco
02-19-2010, 01:03 AM
And a legendary Kobe hater, nice to see you around here.

Not a fan of Kobe.. no secret there.

ChiSox219
02-19-2010, 01:04 AM
What does being a Bulls fan have to do with hating Lebron? I'm a big fan of Lebron.

The Cavs are in our division and have been a big rival of the Bulls for years. Lebron danced all over the Bulls earlier this season and has dropped some big games on us. Finally, Lebron is the closest thing to challenging Jordan for GOAT and I know a lot of Bulls fans hate Lebron simply for that reason.

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 01:05 AM
I have to go.

Things are getting a little feisty in here. No big deal, but please, nobody make anything personal, all right? I have a kind of busy work day from here on out, and I don't need to be wasting time in here cleaning up any messes. :cool:

Sergio1984
02-19-2010, 01:07 AM
The Lakers need to get on a run so I can cover -3.5

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 01:09 AM
"it comes with being the best player in the league". Come on dude you're just making yourself look childish

Really?

So he's not the best player in the league? And anyone that says that he is, is childish?

ChiSox219
02-19-2010, 01:11 AM
The Lakers need to get on a run so I can cover -3.5

I got -3 and I'm confident the Lakers will cover. I was also crazy enough to take the Nuggets ML, so even if the Lakers don't cover I'm still in the black for the night.

Draco
02-19-2010, 01:13 AM
The Cavs are in our division and have been a big rival of the Bulls for years. Lebron danced all over the Bulls earlier this season and has dropped some big games on us. Finally, Lebron is the closest thing to challenging Jordan for GOAT and I know a lot of Bulls fans hate Lebron simply for that reason.

Lebron's the closest player in today's league that I can think of who's a self made winner in the mold of Jordan and for that reason I'm a big fan. But that's also where the comparison ends for me. Competition (not parity, but competitive fire) in the league isn't what it used to be in the average player let alone comparing Lebron with the most ferocious competitor I've ever had the pleasure of watching.. Lebron's a self made winner but he's not going through as hard a time as MJ nor do I appreciate brute strength as much as cunning and skill.. so IMO, Lebron hasn't touched and won't touch Jordan's legacy.

AirCanada15ORL
02-19-2010, 01:39 AM
I'm glad we didnt pick up Sheed in the offseason. Not that Bass has done anything, but still.

Wilson
02-19-2010, 01:49 AM
The Lakers can still win this game but they really need to start playing smarter. Why aren't we going to our bigs more?

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 01:57 AM
doc rivers with bad sub patterns...lamar odom decides to show up tonight.......lakers are a different team when he decides to play

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 01:58 AM
letting sasha vujacic light u up = fail

madiaz3
02-19-2010, 01:58 AM
That's why I go by shooting %




Whatever, the numbers don't lie nor hate.

They never tell the whole story. Who or how many defenders are on the shooter including ball denial. Kobe will get the ball denied from him harder and more often than any other player in the league.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-19-2010, 01:59 AM
lakers are on a big run

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 02:00 AM
lakers need to get some separation....with no kobe I don't know if they can win a game down the stretch

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 02:09 AM
all odom has to do is stay on the ground there....

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 02:17 AM
this where the lakers miss kobe...........brown with the bad shot...gotta go to gasol

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-19-2010, 02:17 AM
fisher is the worst starting PG after Duhon in the league :facepalm:

Wilson
02-19-2010, 02:19 AM
Pau Gasol really needs to show some aggression.

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 02:21 AM
phil should have let them play.........bad timeout........

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 02:21 AM
two GREAT games tonight on TNT....fantastic night if you're a fan of the NBA....

Wilson
02-19-2010, 02:22 AM
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 02:24 AM
derek fisher sucks......lakers still need a pg.....great effort by the lakers without kobe though....pau's gotta not call that timeout and he's gotta be more aggressive in the post down the stretch.......

Wilson
02-19-2010, 02:26 AM
:sigh:

I really feel the Lakers could have won that, they just didn't play smart enough.

Still though, the Celtics really deserved that game. Both teams fought their ***** off, the Celtics just fought harder. Congrats to them on the win.

TheKing23
02-19-2010, 02:27 AM
YESSSS! Great win for the C's...

The Cavs slipped up but i'm very glad the Lakers were unable to capitalize...

stawka
02-19-2010, 02:31 AM
Nice tough game there between the Lakers and Celtics, was a battle till the end - literally.

I'm just burning I didn't get to watch the Cavs game because of ****ing work!

Wilson
02-19-2010, 02:33 AM
Nice tough game there between the Lakers and Celtics, was a battle till the end - literally.

I'm just burning I didn't get to watch the Cavs game because of ****ing work!

Oh man that's rough...

shep33
02-19-2010, 02:35 AM
Good game in LA and Cleveland. However, i don't think the Celts played very well tonight, i know they won, but they beat LA without Kobe who we know woulda scored down the stretch when they couldn't buy a bucket. But the thing about Boston, is that they only scored 11 points in the 4th, they really got lucky there, cause Pierce just kinda held the ball down the stretch for way too long. Still good game, maybe Nate can get them some more scoring punch down the stretch, but they do you take Rondo out???

shep33
02-19-2010, 02:37 AM
lakers need to get some separation....with no kobe I don't know if they can win a game down the stretch

Yeah a lot of people don't realize that he basically wins the game for the Lakers down the stretch. Great game still, i like physical games like that, reminds me of the 90s.

still1ballin
02-19-2010, 02:37 AM
YESSSS! Great win for the C's...

The Cavs slipped up but i'm very glad the Lakers were unable to capitalize...

lol! How is this a great win for the C's? They won by ONE point without Kobe Bryant being out there on the floor.

Wilson
02-19-2010, 02:38 AM
Good game in LA and Cleveland. However, i don't think the Celts played very well tonight, i know they won, but they beat LA without Kobe who we know woulda scored down the stretch when they couldn't buy a bucket. But the thing about Boston, is that they only scored 11 points in the 4th, they really got lucky there, cause Pierce just kinda held the ball down the stretch for way too long. Still good game, maybe Nate can get them some more scoring punch down the stretch, but they do you take Rondo out???

They didn't get lucky. They played some really good defense.

shep33
02-19-2010, 02:42 AM
They didn't get lucky. They played some really good defense.

I agree that the Lakers played some good D, but I've Boston has given up so many big leads throughout the season, mostly because they can't score. I think it was a combo of good D and Boston's players kinda slumping at the end, which they have done frequently this year.

NYMetros
02-19-2010, 02:42 AM
What an awesome night of NBA action.

My thoughts on the Celts-Lakers game:
- Pierce tried to take over the game at the end and failed miserably
- Rondo needs to learn how to shoot
- KG is a mere shadow of his former self
- Lakers would have won going away with Kobe
- Regardless of whether Kobe played or not, that Celts defense reminded me of '08. Ferocious.
- Pau Gasol lol

Wilson
02-19-2010, 02:51 AM
I agree that the Lakers played some good D, but I've Boston has given up so many big leads throughout the season, mostly because they can't score. I think it was a combo of good D and Boston's players kinda slumping at the end, which they have done frequently this year.

What I meant was that Boston didn't get lucky, they played the defense necessary to win the game. Their offense didn't look good but they made ours look like it was being run by a high school...


What an awesome night of NBA action.

My thoughts on the Celts-Lakers game:
- Pierce tried to take over the game at the end and failed miserably
- Rondo needs to learn how to shoot
- KG is a mere shadow of his former self
- Lakers would have won going away with Kobe
- Regardless of whether Kobe played or not, that Celts defense reminded me of '08. Ferocious.
- Pau Gasol lol

:sigh:

Jahari Kavi
02-19-2010, 02:51 AM
lol! How is this a great win for the C's? They won by ONE point without Kobe Bryant being out there on the floor.

he's a cavs fan who wants homecourt in the finals, lol

_KB24_
02-19-2010, 02:53 AM
Great game tonight, but we lacked had no one to go to down the stretch. On the offensive end, we looked lost in the final minutes. Theres a reason Gasol is not a franchise player, did you see the play he made in the last minute in a 1-point game? That pass was just stupid.

iggypop123
02-19-2010, 02:53 AM
what a game. i havent heard staples that loud yet this yr. the lakers guards were horrific tonight. lamar is a super role player. he does everything but score alot. celtics bully tactics worked, but that couldnt hide their pathetic rebounding

shep33
02-19-2010, 03:06 AM
What I meant was that Boston didn't get lucky, they played the defense necessary to win the game. Their offense didn't look good but they made ours look like it was being run by a high school...



:sigh:

My bad, but still i think they did a little in a way. I just don't like how they finish games, they seem to run outta juice down the stretch. They were up by 12 against LA in the 4th last time they played, but they blew that lead, just like they have in a bunch of games. Kobe wasn't playing either and the Lakers starting guards were 3-18 with 11 points and had some horrid defensive plays. LA just crumbled down the stretch too, haha Gasol, Brown, Fisher took and made some terribel shots and decisions.

still1ballin
02-19-2010, 03:18 AM
he's a cavs fan who wants homecourt in the finals, lol

Thats what it seems....he should know sometimes HCA doesn't mean anything....cough Orlando

DenButsu
02-19-2010, 04:28 AM
They never tell the whole story. Who or how many defenders are on the shooter including ball denial. Kobe will get the ball denied from him harder and more often than any other player in the league.

I don't buy that at all. If it's the Heat, they's smother Wade, if it's Dallas, it'll be Dirk, if it's the Cavs, it'll be LeBron, if it's Denver, it'll be Melo, and yeah, if it's the Lakers, it'll be Kobe. But throwing hard doubles on the team's most dangerous player is just SOP in the NBA, and Kobe's not the recipient of that kind of defense more than any other star in the league.

JayW_1023
02-19-2010, 11:44 AM
Denver is as good a contender as anyone. I believe they can beat the Lakers.

JayW_1023
02-19-2010, 11:58 AM
Oh and if I had 43, 15 and 13 I would be just as pissed as LeBron did losing such a close game. How can you blame him? It's not like he couldve done anything else to put his team in a position to win.

If it was Kobe instead of LeBron, all you Laker fans would be saying 'Kobe is competitive, he should take this loss hard' and all that crap. Being a fan is one thing, but being a biased fan is another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwiaVjqACUk&feature=related

Even Kobe himself thinks the LeBron-bashing is immature and excessive. Right on.