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ko8e24
02-17-2010, 04:34 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4671865/report-cs-close-to-deal-for-robinson

The Boston Herald's Mark Murphy reported Tuesday night that the Boston Celtics and New York Knicks could be close to a deal that would bring three-time dunk champion Nate Robinson to Boston.

From the Herald:


According to multiple sources, the Celtics and Knicks are close to a deal that would bring guard Nate Robinson to the Celts, possibly in exchange for Eddie House.

A league source, as well as a Knicks source, said today that both sides still have interest in the deal that has been discussed in the last month. Two sources in Sacramento, where the Celts played the Kings last night, verified the interest from both sides.


ESPN's Chris Sheridan confirmed that the teams have renewed discussions that began several weeks ago.

But there are a few red flags:

* Robinson is making $4 million this season, but is a base-year contract player, so, like we discussed with Glen Davis when that Bobcats rumor floated last week, Robinson's trade value is significantly less. The New York Times' Larry Coon wrote a nice breakdown of the problems this presents in the Off the Dribble blog.

* Using ESPN's Trade Machine, the only deal we could scratch together quickly was Robinson for Tony Allen and Shelden Williams. If, as Murphy writes, House is involved, it would seem a third team or some creative packaging would need to be done to make this work.

* Unless the Celtics are including draft picks, it seems slightly odd that the Knicks would be interested in this deal. Even if Robinson remains disgruntled in New York, his $4 million salary is set to come off the books at the end of the season. New York would almost certainly be seeking expiring contracts, which the Celtics can offer in the likes of House ($2.86 million), Allen ($2.5 million), J.R. Giddens ($1.03 million), Brian Scalabrine ($3.4 million), and Williams (825,000).

* While the Celtics are certainly interested in a backup point guard, on the surface, it would seem they'd be more in the market for a defense-first guy who can really run the second-team offense by distributing the ball. Now, if the Celtics moved House in the deal, certainly they'd need a guy who could also score the ball, but -- as House showed during Tuesday's game vs. Sacramento -- he remains a valuable asset on this team offensively, despite his struggles this season.

* The Knicks are reportedly involved in so many potential deals (Houston, Chicago) it will be interesting to see which domino falls first and how it affects the others.

Update: Sheridan chimes in with the following:


I have confirmed that the teams have renewed discussions, but there is one major thing to keep in mind: Robinson is what's known as a base-year compensation player, which can be a complicating factor. Robinson makes $4 million, but the Knicks can take back a maximum of only $2.02 million in returning salary.

"Just an educated guess, but if Boston was willing to trade a No. 1 pick for Nate, it'd blunt the pain of surrendering a first-rounder or two to the Rockets in a McGrady deal. On a related note, three plugged-in sources indicated the Knicks seemed eager to get their business done Wednesday rather than wait until the 11th hour Thursday afternoon.


Quick thoughts after Sheridan's update: Surrendering a first-round pick isn't the end of the world for the playoff-bound Celtics, who are likely to be drafting in the late 20's anyhow. But this is also a team that desperately needs to get younge,r and giving up a first-round pick for a three-month rental could be shortsighted.

Some will argue a late first-round pick is nothing more than a guy like Giddens, who hasn't earned a spot in the rotation in his season-plus in Boston, but the Celtics could always find a guy like Glen Davis (an early second-round selection) at that spot. Interesting to see if New York's desire to accelerate a deal forces Boston to pull back, given what would appear to be their desire to let the trade market play out straight to the deadline.

ko8e24
02-17-2010, 04:39 AM
I apologize, just saw this was already posted.


Someone close this!

LakersIn5
02-17-2010, 08:38 AM
the 3pt shootout and dunk champion on the same team?!??!?!?!? LOL

magichatnumber9
02-17-2010, 09:30 AM
Don't make a trade just to make a trade Danny.

Jaji
02-17-2010, 10:40 AM
The Celtics rely on chemistry a lot, but they have slipped a bit this year so maybe a move will be good for them. Robinson would be a nice pickup.

JOSKOMANG4
02-17-2010, 10:51 AM
IMO, the Knicks can get the best out of this. The Celtics are in desperate need of a young combo guard.

Trade idea:

Knicks acquire SG Ray Allen from Celtics in exchanged for PF/SF J.Jefferies, PG Nate Robinson, & expiring contract of Cuttino Mobley.

Benefits Knicks: They relinquish the contract of J.Jefferies(6.5 next season), not to mention Ray Allen(aka Jesus Shuttlesworth) counts for 18 million off the books next season!

Benefits Celtics: They acquire the young Combo guard that they crave(Robinson), a veteran forward that brings leadership & scoring off the bench, and not to mention Mobley's contract counts as 9 million off the books next season.

Beneftis

unwantedplayer
02-17-2010, 11:10 AM
awful trade, that wouldn't benefit us at all

CELTICSBANNER18
02-17-2010, 11:17 AM
IMO, the Knicks can get the best out of this. The Celtics are in desperate need of a young combo guard.

Trade idea:

Knicks acquire SG Ray Allen from Celtics in exchanged for PF/SF J.Jefferies, PG Nate Robinson, & expiring contract of Cuttino Mobley.

Benefits Knicks: They relinquish the contract of J.Jefferies(6.5 next season), not to mention Ray Allen(aka Jesus Shuttlesworth) counts for 18 million off the books next season!

Benefits Celtics: They acquire the young Combo guard that they crave(Robinson), a veteran forward that brings leadership & scoring off the bench, and not to mention Mobley's contract counts as 9 million off the books next season.

Beneftis

LOL I cant stop laughing Celtics get screwed hard with this deal. They have already said that they want a young Gaurd for Allen why would they give up Allen for a retired Cuttino Mobley, Jered Jeffries, and Nate Robinson that doesnt benefit us at all just the Knicks

JOSKOMANG4
02-17-2010, 11:30 AM
LOL I cant stop laughing Celtics get screwed hard with this deal. They have already said that they want a young Gaurd for Allen why would they give up Allen for a retired Cuttino Mobley, Jered Jeffries, and Nate Robinson that doesnt benefit us at all just the Knicks

1st and foremost.. I can stop laughing on how you wrongfully spelled the word GUARD( spell check son).

- Expiring contract off the books next season- Mobley(9.5 million)

- With Big Baby pretty much gone after this season & Scalabrine contract expiring at Season's end, the acquisition of Jared Jefferies(only 6.5 on the books next season btw), offers a team a versatile veteran player who can either play SF or PF.

- the Young combo guard they crave- Nate Robinson.

CELTICSBANNER18
02-17-2010, 11:33 AM
^^^First off mybad for spelling GUARD wrong next the celtics are going to the playoffs they need pieces they can use not Mobley. Even though that is an expiring contract they cant use him.

#1Mavericksfan
02-17-2010, 11:33 AM
Eddie House can chuck up all the 3's he wants on the Knicks.

tjlipford
02-17-2010, 11:39 AM
Boston can have Nate Robinson. Still too old.

Alwaysballin247
02-17-2010, 11:54 AM
Its a little upgrade for the celtics but it can't be their only move....Nate can play better defence then house but they can both score and bring energy.. i like the move but it can't be the only one

BTownTeamsRKing
02-17-2010, 12:28 PM
please let this happen. We need someone who brings the competitive fire that sheed seems to have put out