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SteveNash
02-08-2010, 04:58 PM
For the 2002-2003 season. The Cavs had an estimated value of $258 million. Generating $72 million, but only making $3.8 million in profit.

Two years later, the team is sold for $375 million. An increase in the teams valuation by $117 million a 45% increase.

Now, the Cavs are valued at $476 million, generating $159 million in revenue.

With all the talk about a players max salary being reduced, just how unfair would it be to a max player like LeBron? And how much do you think LeBron should earn if their was no limits.

abe_froman
02-08-2010, 05:00 PM
about 30 a year i'm guessing,maybe more

king4day
02-08-2010, 05:00 PM
if there was no cap, u'd see teams offering around 30 probably.

arkanian215
02-08-2010, 05:01 PM
heh proky could raise it above 30 if there was no cap. lebron pays for himself. that's a 30 mil well spent.

_KB24_
02-08-2010, 05:04 PM
No more than 25 million.

JWO35
02-08-2010, 05:05 PM
100mil a yr.

So "There can only be one"

ugafan
02-08-2010, 05:25 PM
No more than 25 million.

You're such a blatant homer.

Sox Appeal
02-08-2010, 05:30 PM
He's worth more then any franchise that isn't the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, or Bulls. So, you tell me.

JordansBulls
02-08-2010, 05:32 PM
No more than 20 million a year. If he was only getting 1 million - 2 million a year for a few years like many guys were getting back in the day like MJ, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, etc then I could understand him getting more than that.

Gibby23
02-08-2010, 05:40 PM
The most they are allowed to pay him.

Gibby23
02-08-2010, 05:42 PM
No more than 20 million a year. If he was only getting 1 million - 2 million a year for a few years like many guys were getting back in the day like MJ, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, etc then I could understand him getting more than that.

Yeah right. It's not his fault that they got paid that much, He has the right to earn whatever his market value is. Those guys got paid what their market value was back then. Jordan made more than BJ Armstrong right?

kblo247
02-08-2010, 05:43 PM
In the 20s - mid 20s like Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan got paid around that age.

When he hits 30 I say 30

td0tsfinest
02-08-2010, 05:43 PM
He deserves a Max Contract.

_KB24_
02-08-2010, 05:45 PM
You're such a blatant homer.

You're such a blatant idiot.

kblo247
02-08-2010, 05:49 PM
You're such a blatant idiot.

No need to get banned

mikantsass
02-08-2010, 05:55 PM
A-Rod monney

SteveNash
02-08-2010, 05:59 PM
No more than 20 million a year. If he was only getting 1 million - 2 million a year for a few years like many guys were getting back in the day like MJ, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, etc then I could understand him getting more than that.

Well LeBron was limited by his rookie contract where he was forced to make below the average salary. I'd definitely say he's been underpaid so far in his career.

Cubs Win
02-08-2010, 06:10 PM
I'd say 30-35 mil a year. I mean, he is the best player in the NBA.

ManRam
02-08-2010, 06:11 PM
He's worth more to the Cavs than they can pay for him. He's doubled the franchise worth pretty much.

RaptorsFanatic
02-08-2010, 06:14 PM
No more than $260,000 because he doesn't save lives like a physician.

unwantedplayer
02-08-2010, 06:23 PM
lol what? ^

king4day
02-08-2010, 06:37 PM
Kobe and Lebron would be the only ones to break 30. You might be able to get Wade close to that, but it seems he's slightly behind.

ManRam
02-08-2010, 06:41 PM
Kobe and Lebron would be the only ones to break 30. You might be able to get Wade close to that, but it seems he's slightly behind.

I think the point of this thread is to see how much he is worth, not just based on talent. LeBron makes more money for the Cavs than any other player makes for their team, period. Miami can't even sell out their game with Wade. No way he makes Miami 1/4th of the amount of money LeBron makes the Cavs.

I mean, he's basically doubled their worth. The Lakers would be fine without Kobe. Cleveland goes back to **** the second he leaves. He is invaluable to their franchise. I don't think you can really even put a price on him.

JasonJohnHorn
02-08-2010, 06:42 PM
People can debate who the greatest player of all time is, but a players worth is slightly more quantifiable. I personally wouldn't say that Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time, but I would agree that he fairly commands a higher salary than any player in the history of the league. The merchandise and sales and profits that he generated makes him worth a disgusting about of money, even more than 100 million perhaps. Even after his retirement Nike still pays Jordan millions of dollars because his brand generates so much money.

As I see it right now, there are only two players whose impact on a team is so great that it warrants a contract outside the range of all other players (though neither would command the salary that Jordan did). LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. The Lakers could of course argue that as a team they have always been profitable and would still likely have the largest fan base in the NBA with or without Kobe, but he still generates a lot of money. The Cavs on the other had have never been as proftiable and as popular as they are now and have never generated the kind of merchandise revenue that they currently create.

If they have jumped from single 7 digit profits to 9 digit profits, then yes, LeBron is worht 100 million a year, to a small market team like Cleveland. The Knicks or Lakers may be willing to pay that much (if the cap allowed it, which it doesn't), but neither would need James to be profitable because each already generates so much money.

I think the Bulls would see expidential profit increases with LBJ or Kobe as well.

ARMIN12NBA
02-08-2010, 06:49 PM
Whatever happens to be a max contract at the time he signs it.

koreancabbage
02-08-2010, 06:54 PM
well, in this economy, i want a hard cap on this stuff. salaries are getting way outta control nowadays for marginal talent.

Lebron should be worth 1/3 of the team's salary. so about 20 million

Kakaroach
02-08-2010, 07:02 PM
For sure the max of whatever he can get.

masalex1205
02-08-2010, 07:04 PM
yall are crazy if you think the Knicks wouldn't offer 40 million a year if there wasn't a cap

ManRam
02-08-2010, 07:06 PM
yall are crazy if you think the Knicks wouldn't offer 40 million a year if there wasn't a cap

Oh. I'd bet they'd offer more. The amount of money he'd make NYK would be off the charts.

Blackjack24
02-08-2010, 07:10 PM
Probably in the vicinity of 30-35 million on pure talent. But even if it were allowed, if signing LBJ meant giving up the chance to sign anyone else, i.e., if the cap rolls back-- no team would even entertain the idea of play Lebron + 4 scrubs.

NeutralFan
02-08-2010, 07:28 PM
$10.50 an hour

MacFitz92
02-08-2010, 07:49 PM
How ever much the top dog is willing to pay.

C-Van
02-08-2010, 08:17 PM
People can debate who the greatest player of all time is, but a players worth is slightly more quantifiable. I personally wouldn't say that Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time, but I would agree that he fairly commands a higher salary than any player in the history of the league. The merchandise and sales and profits that he generated makes him worth a disgusting about of money, even more than 100 million perhaps. Even after his retirement Nike still pays Jordan millions of dollars because his brand generates so much money.

As I see it right now, there are only two players whose impact on a team is so great that it warrants a contract outside the range of all other players (though neither would command the salary that Jordan did). LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. The Lakers could of course argue that as a team they have always been profitable and would still likely have the largest fan base in the NBA with or without Kobe, but he still generates a lot of money. The Cavs on the other had have never been as proftiable and as popular as they are now and have never generated the kind of merchandise revenue that they currently create.

If they have jumped from single 7 digit profits to 9 digit profits, then yes, LeBron is worht 100 million a year, to a small market team like Cleveland. The Knicks or Lakers may be willing to pay that much (if the cap allowed it, which it doesn't), but neither would need James to be profitable because each already generates so much money.

I think the Bulls would see expidential profit increases with LBJ or Kobe as well.

This makes sense. I voted for $30 Million a year, but now I am starting to think around $70-$80 million a year, assuming no cap. Talent-wise and wordly value wise he might not deserve that much, but for the amount of profit he is helping the Cleveland Cavaliers turn, he deserves allot of money. I mean, LeBron James IS the Cleveland Cavaliers, and with LeBron on the Cavs, they are probably one of the top 15 most recognizable sports franchises, and a top 5 one in the NBA (of course that is just an assumption).

JasonJohnHorn
02-08-2010, 09:53 PM
There is no doubt that the work of physicians and even missions workers has more value than a basketball player, so yes, basketball players may not deserve the salaries they get, but there we don't live in a utopia. Basketball is a business. It players make you profitable you gotta pay them what the market dictates. The Wall-Street dudes are pulling in millions a year and certainly don't do work as important physicians, but even in the world of physicians there are some who make more (plastic surgeons) than those who do life-saving work.

In Hollywood if an actor's performance in a movie will make you 100 million at the box office, the guy is going to demand 20 million plus (and can make three or four movies a year- meaning they make MUCH more than most athletes). If the Cav go from making a few million to close to a 150 million because of the presence of one player, then that player can be said to be worth over a 100 million dollars.

I think its important to consider how much athleres have to pay to live to. A physician doesn't need to spend huge amounts of money on things like security, where as high-profile players like James and Bryant need to spend money to keep themselves and their family safe.

Still, salaries are rediculous and I would like to see some of the top tier players (like Kobe and James who make more from endorsements than they do from basketball) take salary cuts so that teams have more money to pay on mid-level talent or quality players that don't get big endorsement deals (guys like Billups, Chris Kaman, or David Lee -among others) can still get paid decent money.

But owners are the ones who are always competing with each other and raising market values for players. So they really have nobody to blame but themselves for the high salaries.

heathonater
02-08-2010, 10:25 PM
max deal money. not sure if their is a set limit on how much money a team can pay a player, but i bet lebron will be the highest paid player in the league after his new contract.

Pornstar86
02-08-2010, 10:38 PM
No more than 20 million a year. If he was only getting 1 million - 2 million a year for a few years like many guys were getting back in the day like MJ, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, etc then I could understand him getting more than that.

i believe MJ made 35 million his final year with the bulls

i think its pretty ridiculous and disturbing btw that people are starving, dying all over the world and some people on here think he should get 100 Mil/year for playing a game

OrderOfCook
02-09-2010, 01:23 AM
He's worth a max contract, nobody is worth more than that.

Quick history lesson on the NBA:

Until this one SG came along in the 80s and rose to super-stardom in the nineties, a player's value to a team as has been described above regarding Lebron might be said to be accurate. However, because of that SG, a team called the "Bulls" became worth so, so, so much more than any other team that the league instituted its now-normal revenue sharing policies. It had to happen for the continued existence and expansion of the league.

So, even though Lebron makes Cleveland a much more valuable team, he makes the league much, much more valuable as a whole because of BRI sharing. Even more importantly he makes the league stable economically so that in capitalist-backfire times like we're in now even teams like Memphis and the Bucks can survive (and make no mistake, they otherwise wouldn't). Since the BRI is governed by the CBA, and the CBA contains max contracts, that's how much Lebron is worth. Nothing more, since it's all subjective anyway.

Ovratd1up
02-09-2010, 01:48 AM
i think its pretty ridiculous and disturbing btw that people are starving, dying all over the world and some people on here think he should get 100 Mil/year for playing a game

It's basically his own money. He single handedly generates more than that by playing the game and endorsing products.

Oh, and I find it pretty disturbing that you spend money on a fancy computer when there are people that don't even have access to electricity or running water. :rolleyes:

Pornstar86
02-09-2010, 03:25 AM
considering the fact that a computer was a requirement for my degree in college, i got a college discount, i worked cleaning pools during a summer in Florida (hot as hell) not playing a game, and it was $600 as opposed to 100 MIL, i think that can pass

Ovratd1up
02-09-2010, 03:40 AM
Lol joking, just saying that the argument will always be flawed.

bartron_44
02-09-2010, 11:58 AM
If there was no salary cap, you would see a foolish number. If the Lakers were allowed to spend the Yankees, Lebron would prob sign for around 50m/yr. Heck there was a rumor last year that some European team was going to offer him that kind of money to entice him to leave the NBA......as no team in the NBA would be able to match that kind of money. I would say he is bigger to basketball now that Beckham was to soccer when he signed his foolish 250 million dollar deal....and you can't compare people like MJ or others who played when a million was worth a lot more than it was today. The game didn't generate that much revenue world wide until Michael Jordan...but now the entire word watches basketball. You have billions of people in china thanks in large part to Yao Ming...the game has evolved as a business so much there just is no comparison....

However, its not like Lebron needs to make 50M from the cavs, in order to get paid his 'market value'. Jordan...and every other superstar for that matter, made his real money just like Lebron will...off the basketball court. LBJ made 100 Million before stepping foot on an NBA court from his Nike deal alone....Tiger Woods is worth a Billion dollars, you think he won all that playing golf?....The biggest prize is like 1M, and as good as Tiger is...I don't think so.

Endorsements is how superstars make their real money...not through sport contracts..

The biggest problem with the NBA is, that teams are WAY TOO QUICK to hand out a MAX deal.

Strumpy
02-09-2010, 12:10 PM
A-Rod monney

This.

Gibby23
02-09-2010, 12:22 PM
considering the fact that a computer was a requirement for my degree in college, i got a college discount, i worked cleaning pools during a summer in Florida (hot as hell) not playing a game, and it was $600 as opposed to 100 MIL, i think that can pass

If you were skilled enough, you would be playing a game for a living. These guys make what the market dictates. The NBA is a business, if the players didn't make all this money, the money would just go into the owners pocket, it's not like they would donate the rest of the money to the people that are starving. If you were in a position to pick between what you do now or play in the NBA for millions of dollars, you would pick the NBA so don't pass judgment on these guys because they have a certain talent that is in demand and it pays more than what other people get.

There are 30 teams and about 13 players on each team. That is 390 positions for a billion dollar industry. If you want to be a doctor or a lawyer bad enough you can by putting in work and going to school. You can't do that and make it to the NBA.

ManRam
02-09-2010, 12:27 PM
If you were skilled enough, you would be playing a game for a living. These guys make what the market dictates. The NBA is a business, if the players didn't make all this money, the money would just go into the owners pocket, it's not like they would donate the rest of the money to the people that are starving. If you were in a position to pick between what you do now or play in the NBA for millions of dollars, you would pick the NBA so don't pass judgment on these guys because they have a certain talent that is in demand and it pays more than what other people get.

There are 30 teams and about 13 players on each team. That is 390 positions for a billion dollar industry. If you want to be a doctor or a lawyer bad enough you can by putting in work and going to school. You can't do that and make it to the NBA.

Well said. I hate when people, especially fans who dedicate this much time to talking about sports, complain about how much athletes make. They are the best at what they do, and we are the ones paying them. They are the cream of the crop...the best at what they do. They deserve to make as much money as we as fans allow them to make.

Gibby23
02-09-2010, 12:40 PM
Well said. I hate when people, especially fans who dedicate this much time to talking about sports, complain about how much athletes make. They are the best at what they do, and we are the ones paying them. They are the cream of the crop...the best at what they do. They deserve to make as much money as we as fans allow them to make.

Pro athlete, or a regular job. I just hate when people talk about how much money someone else makes. The person making the money has put themself in a position to make that money. Either by going to school, working there way up through the company, or having a certain skill set. People in general need to worry about how they can put themselves in a position to make more money and not worry about the next guy. People that tend to look at other peoples finances are the one's that are struggling and not trying to improve their own situation. People need to worry about how they can be better financially and quit looking as athletes and movie stars as a mesuring stick.

Pornstar86
02-09-2010, 01:43 PM
Pro athlete, or a regular job. I just hate when people talk about how much money someone else makes. The person making the money has put themself in a position to make that money. Either by going to school, working there way up through the company, or having a certain skill set. People in general need to worry about how they can put themselves in a position to make more money and not worry about the next guy. People that tend to look at other peoples finances are the one's that are struggling and not trying to improve their own situation. People need to worry about how they can be better financially and quit looking as athletes and movie stars as a mesuring stick.

so your saying a doctor, who saves people's lives, should look at an athlete and say "damn, he's worth that 100 MIL/year contract)...your crazy..and i never said anything about not respecting the players...the players play...its the people who pay them that are ridiculous....when your getting paid 15-20 million, okay, whatever...but how could some people on this site say that he should get 100 MIL/year? thats the most ridiculous amount ive ever heard

think about it like this...you have a bunch of rich owners, giving contracts to athletes to entertain fans...sounds like a new form of gladiators to me, maybe even slaves

Gibby23
02-09-2010, 01:58 PM
so your saying a doctor, who saves people's lives, should look at an athlete and say "damn, he's worth that 100 MIL/year contract)...your crazy..and i never said anything about not respecting the players...the players play...its the people who pay them that are ridiculous....when your getting paid 15-20 million, okay, whatever...but how could some people on this site say that he should get 100 MIL/year? thats the most ridiculous amount ive ever heard

think about it like this...you have a bunch of rich owners, giving contracts to athletes to entertain fans...sounds like a new form of gladiators to me, maybe even slaves

Richest slaves ever.

These players make what the market dictates. If there was no salary cap and Lebron was the reason the Cavs owner was making a profit of let's say 200 million (I just threw out a number). Lebron has the right to ask for 100 million and let the owner keep the other 100 million profit. Say if Lebron leaves and the owner only makes a profit of $75 million the next year, the owner lost $25 million in profit because he didn't pay Lebron. It's a business and these players have the right to maximize their profit.

wileyisTOFU
02-09-2010, 02:17 PM
so your saying a doctor, who saves people's lives, should look at an athlete and say "damn, he's worth that 100 MIL/year contract)...your crazy..and i never said anything about not respecting the players...the players play...its the people who pay them that are ridiculous....when your getting paid 15-20 million, okay, whatever...but how could some people on this site say that he should get 100 MIL/year? thats the most ridiculous amount ive ever heard

think about it like this...you have a bunch of rich owners, giving contracts to athletes to entertain fans...sounds like a new form of gladiators to me, maybe even slaves

not a big fan capitalism are we?

SteveNash
02-09-2010, 04:22 PM
i think its pretty ridiculous and disturbing btw that people are starving, dying all over the world and some people on here think he should get 100 Mil/year for playing a game

Is it disturbing that he could possibly be worth $100 million a year? Or that millions of people would rather spend time watching LeBron play basketball than help the poor?

Ovratd1up
02-09-2010, 07:51 PM
^Exactly. That is the most disturbing thing. No, they definitely don't deserve to be millionaires, let alone billionaires, but it's us giving him that money. It's you.

SteveNash
12-10-2010, 02:53 AM
http://www.forbes.com/2010/12/07/lebron-james-rondo-durant-business-sports-nba-best-players-buck.html?boxes=Homepagelighttop

Forbes says he should of earned $46.5 million based on his on court performance alone.

They also said Rashard Lewis only earned $250,000 of his $19 million contract last year.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/11/23/nba-most-overpaid-players-business-sportsmoney-overpaid.html

Minimal
12-10-2010, 04:49 AM
His true price is 40 millions a year, atleast when he played in Cleveland. He was bringing Cleveland more than 40 millions a year, but was paid at around 16 mils.

Raph12
12-10-2010, 05:27 AM
For the 2002-2003 season. The Cavs had an estimated value of $258 million. Generating $72 million, but only making $3.8 million in profit.

Two years later, the team is sold for $375 million. An increase in the teams valuation by $117 million a 45% increase.

Now, the Cavs are valued at $476 million, generating $159 million in revenue.

With all the talk about a players max salary being reduced, just how unfair would it be to a max player like LeBron? And how much do you think LeBron should earn if their was no limits.

I'd like to see their numbers before Lebron, Lebron brought life to Cleveland basketball, I'd like to see how they were doing prior to his arrival.

D1JM
12-10-2010, 05:55 AM
About a trillioN

kArSoN RyDaH
12-10-2010, 06:43 AM
about 30-40 mill

Chronz
12-10-2010, 02:24 PM
LOVE OLD DEBATES


In the 20s - mid 20s like Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan got paid around that age.

When he hits 30 I say 30
So your completely ignoring the fact that he generate MUCH more revenue than the likes of Duncan?

el_primo_nano
12-10-2010, 02:38 PM
Based on overall income, including play and off the court sales, he is worth more than $50 mil. Look at downtown Cleveland right now and how there are restaurants closing down, people getting laid off and related matters since he has left. He made that city, and now it is nothing since he has left. With what Miami can revenue outside of his play, they are getting paid with him AND Wade on that team

mrker
12-10-2010, 02:54 PM
Lebron should be payed 50% of profit every year and when he leaves he would be intitled to 75% of the increase of franschise value, then he would be payed accordingly to his value as a superstar

Eg714
12-10-2010, 03:00 PM
No more than fifteen to twenty dollars

godolphins
12-10-2010, 04:40 PM
No more than fifteen to twenty dollars
That's how much he makes in a minute and that's how much you make in a year :laugh:

D Roses Bulls
12-10-2010, 04:51 PM
No more than $260,000 because he doesn't save lives like a physician.

agreed...... I think its sick ball players get paid more then doctors who actually save lives

arkanian215
12-10-2010, 04:54 PM
That's how much he makes in a minute and that's how much you make in a year :laugh:

He earns around 6k in a minute, not including endorsements.

faze38
12-10-2010, 04:59 PM
He is not worth 30 because that is the max that MJ got and Lebron is not MJ! So I would give him 25-27 mil a year but I don't think any player in the NBA should get paid what MJ got!

SteveNash
12-10-2010, 09:30 PM
I'd like to see their numbers before Lebron, Lebron brought life to Cleveland basketball, I'd like to see how they were doing prior to his arrival.

For the 2002-2003 season. The Cavs had an estimated value of $258 million. Generating $72 million, but only making $3.8 million in profit.


agreed...... I think its sick ball players get paid more then doctors who actually save lives

So what do you suggest communism?


He is not worth 30 because that is the max that MJ got and Lebron is not MJ! So I would give him 25-27 mil a year but I don't think any player in the NBA should get paid what MJ got!

Jordan got a lot more compensation than other past stars have gotten. Do you want to set the limit $15,000 like Mikan got?

Kenny Powders
12-10-2010, 09:54 PM
I love how people in the NBA forum take issues of LeBron so personally. Every thread turns into a personal attack.

Sixerlover
12-10-2010, 10:43 PM
The Max.

And to the people that always complain about how much NBA players make.. Guess how much these teams make off of the players daily. Yeah they are worth that much money.

pedrofan45
12-11-2010, 01:38 AM
I'd do 35 million a year :D

jmtapia
12-11-2010, 02:12 AM
id say $30 Mill/per

tredigs
12-11-2010, 02:24 AM
We're under the impression that there's no salary cap?

In that environment, there's a ZERO percent chance that Lebron James wouldn't receive multiple offers >30 million per year. He not only generates a mass amount of money to the organization through tickets sales and the subsequent food/beer/parking sales that would skyrocket, but also through ad-revenue (one example is that commercial space for their games would skyrocket, and the team gets a big cut).

You also have the fact that he could instantly turn a perennial losing franchise in a big market like the Knicks into a relevant contender and one of the most buzz-worthy teams in the league, and you have yourself owners who are salivating at the thought of picking him up.

I honestly would not put it past one of these billionaire owners to offer Lebron AT LEAST a 6 year, 250 million dollar contract for the above reasons.

You see guys like Carl Crawford in baseball penning contracts for 7 years, 142 million dollars, and he isn't even a huge draw or a top 30 hitter in the league. Lebron's payday would be well north of $30 million a year. This is not even a question.

ElMarroAfamado
12-11-2010, 02:35 AM
he shouldnt get 30 a year. that was reserved for guys like jordan and kobe ...you know guys who actually delivered titles and werent just popular because they dunked and acted hatable out on the court

dodie53
12-11-2010, 02:38 AM
30mil

gbrl
12-11-2010, 02:59 AM
about tree fiddy