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JordansBulls
02-04-2010, 11:15 PM
If there was a list of guys who have played 5+ years in the 2000's and you had to rank them from 1-25 how would your list look with Ray on it?

xbrackattackx
02-04-2010, 11:45 PM
No one saw this coming,

ko8e24
02-05-2010, 12:08 AM
top 20

in no particular order, u got

shaq, kobe, ai, duncan, j-kidd, nash, kg, dirk, pierce, lebron, wade, karl malone, GP, ZO, Reggie, david robinson, etc. etc.

TheKing23
02-05-2010, 12:36 AM
top 20

in no particular order, u got

shaq, kobe, ai, duncan, j-kidd, nash, kg, dirk, pierce, lebron, wade, karl malone, GP, ZO, Reggie, david robinson, etc. etc.

Karl Malone played 4 years in the 2000's and David Robinson only played 3 years. I would say Ray Allen had a better decade than Gary Payton, Alonzo Mourning and Reggie Miller.

I think you should have T-Mac and Vince among a few others over Ray so that would probably put him around the 15-20 mark.

td0tsfinest
02-05-2010, 01:09 AM
SG wise

Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, AI, Wade; I'd put those guys ahead of Ray Allen.

Fireworld
02-05-2010, 02:23 AM
Top 15 for sure.

lowdown32
02-05-2010, 02:39 AM
one of the best shooters to play the game

Lakersfan2483
02-05-2010, 02:40 AM
Top 15-20 players in the NBA.

sugarrayray
02-05-2010, 03:20 AM
When he was in his prime, most analysts ranked him "right out of the top 5 best players currently in the NBA."

No one should have Vince Carter out there in front of him. He put up better stats, but Ray was such a better team player. Ray made some bad teams really good. Vince never really did that.

And Nash really wasn't that good until he got to the Suns.
Its hard to say.

I'd put him about 8 or 9 or so. He also didn't miss a game in his first 5 years in the league, so that help him to always compete.

kurivaimu
02-05-2010, 04:46 AM
In his prime Ray-Ray was top 15 for sure

Chronz
02-05-2010, 05:04 AM
Only 2 All-NBA teams says it all

JordansBulls
02-05-2010, 09:49 AM
Only 2 All-NBA teams says it all

So where would you rank him then?

Baller1
02-05-2010, 12:35 PM
Only 2 All-NBA teams says it all

It actually doesn't say it all.

Ray Allen was one of the most efficient scorers of the decade. He was never a flashy player who cared about his stats; He only cared about winning.

Ray Allen will go down as the greatest 3 point shooter this league has ever seen. He has a ring, and he's a class act.

Ray Allen deserves to go to the Hall Of Fame.

magichatnumber9
02-05-2010, 12:50 PM
Top 15 in my book.

BkOriginalOne
02-05-2010, 12:56 PM
top 15-20.
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Iverson
KG
Nash
Kidd
Wade
Lebron
Tmac
Carter
Pierce
...
Allen comes in about right here.

GodsSon
02-05-2010, 01:19 PM
Top 10-15...I'm not sure if people forget just how dangerous the guy was in his last few season with the Bucks and his first few with the Sonics

$ NyC $
02-05-2010, 01:26 PM
Any1 remember that game he beasted on the Suns?

NiTEFuRY
02-05-2010, 01:35 PM
If you'd post the list it would help... I'd rank Ray right below RIP Hamilton..

$ NyC $
02-05-2010, 01:53 PM
PHOENIX (AP) -- It was an unofficial turn-back-the-clock night in Phoenix, to the days when everybody in the NBA loved to run and shoot, and nobody played much defense.

Ray Allen made a 30-footer at the second-overtime buzzer to break the NBA record for most combined 3-pointers in a game, giving the Seattle SuperSonics a 152-149 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Sunday night in the league's highest-scoring game in 11 years.

"When I was open, I just knew it was time to make a shot," Allen said.

The teams combined for 32 3-pointers, breaking the mark of 31 set by Toronto and Philadelphia on March 13, 2005. The 301 points were the most in a game since Dallas beat Houston 156-147 in two overtimes on April 11, 1995, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

It was the first 150-point game in the NBA since the Los Angeles Clippers beat Toronto 152-120 on March 15, 1998.

Allen scored 42, including 8-of-16 3s, and Luke Ridnour a career-high 30 as the Sonics snapped a four-game losing streak and handed Phoenix its first home loss in seven games. Thirty-two of Allen's points came after the third quarter.

"One thing about Ray Allen, at some point he's going to make shots," Sonics coach Bob Hill said.

In the first three quarters, Allen made 4-of-15 shots and was 0-for-6 on 3s. In the fourth quarter and two overtimes, he was 10-for-13, 8-for-10 on 3s.

That's the definition of Ray Allen right there.

JordansBulls
02-05-2010, 01:58 PM
If you'd post the list it would help... I'd rank Ray right below RIP Hamilton..

Here is a list of guys in the 2000's that have played I believe 5 years.

Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Kevin Garnett
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
LeBron James
Jason Kidd
Dwayne Wade
Chauncey Billups
Paul Pierce
Allen Iverson
Ray Allen
Dwight Howard
Tracy McGrady
Chris Webber
Ben Wallace
Vince Carter
Yao Ming
Carmelo Anthony
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Shawn Marion
Jermaine O'Neal
Chris Paul

RaiderFanatic33
02-05-2010, 02:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzw_SUvLq4A

btw: look at the score, its not like it was a blowout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3QjR_vuKz4

he got hops!

rhymeratic
02-05-2010, 02:08 PM
Yeah he's like number 20 in a Top 20 list. Best way to put it. Dude was a lights out shooter but did very little else IMO. If he was a more impact defender than he'd be rated higher. Elite shooter, and avg/above avg in everything else.

Raph12
02-05-2010, 02:20 PM
top 15-20.
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Iverson
KG
Nash
Kidd
Wade
Lebron
Tmac
Carter
Pierce
...
Allen comes in about right here.

I'd throw in a couple of more names, but this is pretty close, Top 20.

C_Mund
02-05-2010, 02:23 PM
I think he's probably the most liked player in the last decade. Nobody can hate on how beautiful his shot is, and he used to get way the f up in a hurry.
....plus he's Jesus Shuttlesworth, so he's gotta be top 20 no doubt.

Oakmont_4
02-05-2010, 03:01 PM
3. Tim Duncan
2. Kobe Bryant
1. Shaquille O'Neal
4. Kevin Garnett
6. Steve Nash
9. Dirk Nowitzki
5. LeBron James
14. Jason Kidd
7. Dwayne Wade
13. Chauncey Billups
8. Paul Pierce
12. Allen Iverson
11. Ray Allen
10. Dwight Howard
16. Tracy McGrady
Chris Webber
Ben Wallace
15. Vince Carter
Yao Ming
20. Carmelo Anthony
17. Tony Parker
18. Manu Ginobili
22. Shawn Marion
21. Jermaine O'Neal
19. Chris Paul

This ranking takes into affect rings, stats, dominant player name throughout the 2000's...I know this leaves younger players at a disadvantage but I give more to results vs. potential

Chronz
02-05-2010, 04:09 PM
It actually doesn't say it all.

Ray Allen was one of the most efficient scorers of the decade. He was never a flashy player who cared about his stats; He only cared about winning.

Ray Allen will go down as the greatest 3 point shooter this league has ever seen. He has a ring, and he's a class act.

Ray Allen deserves to go to the Hall Of Fame.
It says more than what your post just did. He has a ring and is a class act, whoop dee doo, I could care less if he were an egotistical maniac who didnt care about winning and only himself, so long as he got the job done better than Ray thats all I care about. I dont fall for cliches guy, everyone always busts out the he doesnt care excuses about any player, I find it usually means nothing. Players make their own destiny, you may think Ray didnt care about his stats, I just think he wasnt capable of putting up stats.

And those players ahead of him in the MVP ranks and ALL-League ranks and advanced metrics all have better cases.

Ray Allen deserves to go to the HOF, lol..... is that suppose to impress anyone, have you seen the HOF. Its a joke, saying hes a HOF is less relevant than making All-League teams and being thought of as one of the best players in the game. Too bad he cant go back in time to improve the rest of his game.

Brew Crew
02-05-2010, 04:45 PM
Only 2 All-NBA teams says it all

No...That actually just says that he played on the Milwaukee Bucks and no one ever noticed him. What a pure shot he had...

JordansBulls
02-05-2010, 04:53 PM
3. Tim Duncan
2. Kobe Bryant
1. Shaquille O'Neal
4. Kevin Garnett
6. Steve Nash
9. Dirk Nowitzki
5. LeBron James
14. Jason Kidd
7. Dwayne Wade
13. Chauncey Billups
8. Paul Pierce
12. Allen Iverson
11. Ray Allen
10. Dwight Howard
16. Tracy McGrady
Chris Webber
Ben Wallace
15. Vince Carter
Yao Ming
20. Carmelo Anthony
17. Tony Parker
18. Manu Ginobili
22. Shawn Marion
21. Jermaine O'Neal
19. Chris Paul

This ranking takes into affect rings, stats, dominant player name throughout the 2000's...I know this leaves younger players at a disadvantage but I give more to results vs. potential

Ray ahead of Kidd and Iverson???

Chronz
02-05-2010, 05:13 PM
No...That actually just says that he played on the Milwaukee Bucks and no one ever noticed him. What a pure shot he had...
How much do coaches really care about that?

Oakmont_4
02-05-2010, 07:16 PM
Yes Ray ahead of kid and Iverson...few reasons...1.) Id take ray over both right now 2.) Ray has a ring 3.) personality/off court issues 4.)Ray will go down as the best 3 pt shooter in the league (kidd and iverson wont be the best at anything)

unless you count Iverson as the best at crying, carrying a weapon or being an idiot...no wait that award now goes to Arenas

Kidd...maybe the best kisser in the NBA?

Fury
02-05-2010, 07:24 PM
He would probably be between 20-25

JordansBulls
02-05-2010, 11:34 PM
He would probably be between 20-25

It is kinda amazing that I would think he would be much higher than that.

Stay_Swim
02-06-2010, 12:23 AM
Ray Ray was the **** when he played in Milwaukee. I wish they would have never traded him away...