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RaptorizedKevin
01-29-2010, 02:46 PM
Watup psd members, great to be back. There are many underated defenders, who i believe dont get enough love from the league, because of many reasons:

1. May not get enough playing time
2. Not a starter
3. Might have other weaknesses in his game and that is remembered instead of his defense.

im sure many of yu know good defenders, but some of us dont.
THis thread is used to enrich the knowledge of psd members about underated defenders that exist in this league.

PLease list your team, the player on that team, and wat makes them a good defender. you can soupport this player by listing qualities that they posses that makes them a good defender, and or include INCIDENTS where they have been a good defender.

i didnt know who antoine wright was, until he was traded to the raptors, and seeing his game, his defense is probably as good as shawn marion in this prime.

example:

Toronto Raptors
Antoine wright

what makes him a good defender?
He doesnt leave his feet, keeps his man in front of him, contests shots, locks down players to struggle from the field

Incidents:
Wright played very good defense on dwade whichc result in wade giving up the ball.

now, just seeing that example, please tell everyone else about those underated defenders in this legue.:D

Chronz
01-29-2010, 03:39 PM
marion would never allow the Raps to defend so poorly, in fact he prevented just that last year and thats an old marion

jimbobjarree
01-29-2010, 03:40 PM
Wesley Matthews

non stop hustle, defends with his feet, quick, has strength at 6'6 220, probably our best man-to-man defender already and for an undrafted rookie thats impressive. You dont see rookies getting minutes for Jerry Sloan, especialy not undrafted ones, and its all down to his defense. Anyone who watched the Jazz-Suns game recently will know what I mean, Wes came in and we got stops and won the game.

I'd also throw Ronnie Price in there too.

alencp3
01-29-2010, 03:40 PM
Shane Battier

RaptorizedKevin
01-29-2010, 03:41 PM
Shane Battier

thanks for ur imput but hes not underated, hes the best defender in this league, next to kobe .

ChiSox219
01-29-2010, 03:42 PM
Varejao
Przybilla
Amir Johnson
Odom
Luol Deng
Iguodala
Brendan Haywood
Mbah a Moute
Thabo Sefolosha
D Wade
Bogut
Chuck Hayes

Reyes6
01-29-2010, 03:42 PM
Sefolosha, Battier, and Hayes.

ChiSox219
01-29-2010, 03:43 PM
thanks for ur imput but hes not underated, hes the best defender in this league, next to kobe .

He's a lot better than Kobe. There's several other perimeter defenders as good or better than Kobe.

:Flamesuit on:

RaptorizedKevin
01-29-2010, 03:45 PM
He's a lot better than Kobe. There's several other perimeter defenders as good or better than Kobe.

:Flamesuit on:

Yes i know. i would agree shane is better. but kobe is ranked better. on the all defensive first team.. so yeah

GodsSon
01-29-2010, 03:45 PM
I knew Bogut was a good defender prior to the season, but he's really impressed me this year from what i've seen

COBY KARL
01-29-2010, 03:54 PM
Yes i know. i would agree shane is better. but kobe is ranked better. on the all defensive first team.. so yeah

lol you're basing this off rankings? that doesnt really mean anything. That's like saying allen iverson is better than chris paul (at this point in their careers of course) because cp3 is a reserve on the all star team and iverson is a starter...

even im a laker fan but you have to respect battier. he makes a living off defense, kobe is not as good lock down as he is.

nipo10847
01-29-2010, 03:59 PM
thanks for ur imput but hes not underated, hes the best defender in this league, next to kobe .

Kidding right? Battier is a way better defender than kobe and there's others in the league who play better perimeter D than kobe.

As for this thread, the first name that popped up in my mind is : Thabo Sefolosha. I think he is one of the best lock down defenders in the league now, if not the best.

dwadefan03
01-29-2010, 04:08 PM
^agree

MIAMI HEAT

yackhouba(?) Diawara

before heat fans start laughnig just listen for a sec. Hes only hated so much because he doesnt have much of an offensive game and hes being paid too much. however i think hes solid defender on the perimiter. he has quick hands,good size, and he moves his feet.

mavwar53
01-29-2010, 04:16 PM
vladamir radmonavic, sounds like a joke but a lot better than most people think.

EternalLakeShow
01-29-2010, 04:29 PM
vladamir radmonavic, sounds like a joke but a lot better than most people think.

sorry buddy but thats about as big a joke as there can be in this thread

kblo247
01-29-2010, 04:32 PM
Odom - team d is great
Shannon Brown
Walton - does a very good job on Melo/Pierce/Artest types when healthy

Vlad can defend when he is focused and even put the ball on the floor he just lacks IQ

bigsams50
01-29-2010, 04:32 PM
Bobcats

Gerald Wallace
Raymond Felton

Shady66
01-29-2010, 04:49 PM
Goran Dragic, Jared Dudley, Louis amundson. Basically our whole 2nd unit other than frye are filled up with underrated defenders.

RaptorizedKevin
01-29-2010, 04:58 PM
Goran Dragic, Jared Dudley, Louis amundson. Basically our whole 2nd unit other than frye are filled up with underrated defenders.

yeah i knew dudley was very good defender, when he locked down bosh in that game whre we lost by one point.

RaptorsFanatic
01-29-2010, 05:18 PM
Irony at it's finest.

FlakeyFool
01-29-2010, 05:24 PM
:facepalm: homerism.

SA5195
01-29-2010, 05:27 PM
Sefolosha

runforrestrunx9
01-29-2010, 05:30 PM
Shane Battier

would hardly call his defense underrated

MU and UW Fan
01-29-2010, 05:41 PM
I'll be a homer on this and say Wesley Matthews, Andrew Bogut, and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute

Mr. Fluffi
01-29-2010, 05:45 PM
Deng

MAC10TIZZY
01-29-2010, 05:48 PM
Aaron freakin' afflalo

xX_Wayne-87_Xx
01-29-2010, 05:49 PM
Dahntay Jones is a hell of a defender!!

RaptorsFanatic
01-29-2010, 05:50 PM
Haywood/Dalembert

Hawkeye15
01-29-2010, 05:52 PM
Yes i know. i would agree shane is better. but kobe is ranked better. on the all defensive first team.. so yeah

the awards, and teams are bogus, you should know that.

THere are many wings that are better defenders than Kobe.

as for the thread

Corey Brewer
Anderson Varejo
Chris Anderson
Gerald Wallace

just a few that should be on the so called, Defensive teams.

kozelkid
01-29-2010, 06:18 PM
Yes i know. i would agree shane is better. but kobe is ranked better. on the all defensive first team.. so yeah

That's AWFUL reasoning. Only reason Kobe is consistently on ALL defensive team is because he is a great overall player and his name is kobe bryant. There are quite a few better perimeter defenders who don't get the recognition cause they do little offensively. Great example is Hayes.

cRaTeR
01-29-2010, 06:21 PM
David Lee

Wilson
01-29-2010, 06:23 PM
Regarding the Kobe discussion, in the past he has been a fantastic defender, and he still sometimes shows himself to be capable of shutting guys down. However he doesn't seem as focused on that end as he used to, last season in particular was pretty bad. There were times when he'd start up the floor as his guy is shooting, he wouldn't even put his hand up.

He can still play great one-on-one defense if he has to, but I wouldn't call him one of the best anymore just because of how inconsistent he has become on that end.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-29-2010, 06:43 PM
odom
walton
sasha
ron

td0tsfinest
01-29-2010, 06:58 PM
thanks for ur imput but hes not underated, hes the best defender in this league, next to kobe .

Kobe is the most overrated defender.

He's good but the way some people describe is way overboard.

dtmagnet
01-29-2010, 07:20 PM
Marcus Banks of the Raptors, 3rd string point guard who stepped in to fill an injury void and completely shut down Chris Paul for a solid 8 minutes while the starter got some rest. I don't think we would have won that game without him defending Paul so well.

dtmagnet
01-29-2010, 07:22 PM
David Lee

How can you be an underrated defender when you stand to the side and let people lay the ball in?

Giaps
01-29-2010, 07:23 PM
I can speak for Knicks players:

Jared Jeffries (guards all 5 positions, leads the NBA in charges drawn)
Wilson Chandler (good on ball defender, good shot blocker for his size)
Danilo Gallinari (good positional defender, can block shots)

Giaps
01-29-2010, 07:23 PM
How can you be an underrated defender when you stand to the side and let people lay the ball in?
He's kidding... he's a Knicks fan hating on Lee. You would never know he was a fan of the Knicks based on his posts.

29$JerZ
01-29-2010, 07:29 PM
Gerald Wallace

Imo he is known more for his rebounding (this season) and his nickname Crash since he plays hard every second more then his solid all around defense.

Baller1
01-29-2010, 10:20 PM
Sefalosha

Kakaroach
01-29-2010, 10:34 PM
Ronnie Brewer is pretty under-rated I'd say. He's not elite, but he's pretty good.

Jays101
01-29-2010, 10:44 PM
for all the flack he gets, i would say andrea bargnani is an underrated defender

BkOriginalOne
01-29-2010, 10:51 PM
Anthony Carter.

deuces
01-29-2010, 10:51 PM
jose calderone

King P
01-29-2010, 10:55 PM
Josh Smith

TheKing23
01-29-2010, 10:59 PM
Anderson Varejao

dtmagnet
01-29-2010, 11:27 PM
He's kidding... he's a Knicks fan hating on Lee. You would never know he was a fan of the Knicks based on his posts.

Sorry I didn't realize, we've got our fair share of those types in the Raptors forum too.

cameroncrazies2
01-30-2010, 02:37 AM
Luc Richard Mbah A Moute. Can guard anyone from 2-4 and does a damn good job. He's not a great shot blocker, but he's pesky as hell and has improved at steals. Durant said a few weeks ago that Mbah A Moute is the best defender he's ever faced.

DerekRE_3
01-30-2010, 04:35 AM
Raymond Felton, he's one of the best defensive PG's in the NBA.

DerekRE_3
01-30-2010, 04:35 AM
Gerald Wallace

Imo he is known more for his rebounding (this season) and his nickname Crash since he plays hard every second more then his solid all around defense.

He's #1 in defensive rating this year. He's a top 3 defensive player of the year candidate, at least to me he is.

bmanjones
01-30-2010, 05:02 AM
iggy

tcav701
01-30-2010, 05:21 AM
Perkins

Evolution23
01-30-2010, 05:51 AM
shefolosha

nipo10847
01-30-2010, 06:06 AM
I am surprised not many people have mentioned sefolosha. He is pretty underrated. I am assuming you guys don't watch the thunders much.

OaklandsFinest
01-30-2010, 06:54 AM
PG- Felton
SG- Thabo Sefolshia
SF- Andre Iggy (even though LEBRON is a dope defender now)
PF- Josh Smith
C - Dalambert

bbcmillionaire
01-30-2010, 07:43 AM
homer thread lol in that case hinrich,salmons,deng
thabo

MrFastBreak
01-30-2010, 09:38 AM
Mario West

vash9
01-30-2010, 01:42 PM
Devin Harris..as a Mav.

gfixer33
01-30-2010, 02:05 PM
agent zero
he'll do anything to defend his territory!lmao
seriously haywood and shawn marion don't know if their underated though.

RaptorizedKevin
01-30-2010, 02:36 PM
homer thread lol in that case hinrich,salmons,deng
thabo

Hinrich isnt underated , hes one of the best defenders of this decade.

BALLER71
01-30-2010, 03:05 PM
Ronnie Brewer, Luc Mbah a Moute, Dahntay Jones, Kirk Hinrich.

Overrated: Dwyane Wade

mikantsass
01-30-2010, 03:18 PM
Perkins!!!!!

RaptorizedKevin
01-30-2010, 04:03 PM
Perkins!!!!!

yes perkins is amazing. he in my opinion one of the best post defenders in this league. he can rebound, block shots, contest shots, protect the paint, and with his size and streght he can compeat with the best of centers.

Tony_Starks
01-30-2010, 04:40 PM
After seeing his defense on Paul Pierce the other night, I have to give Vince Carter props as an underrated defender. I never really even observed his defense really, probably cuz I just assumed he had none. But he was really going after Pierce and limited him that night.

Not saying he does it every night but he has the ability to really lock down.

JayW_1023
02-01-2010, 06:25 AM
Steve Nash...I'm not kidding. He may be an awful one on one defender, but he is a pretty solid team defender. He is great at taking charges.

kingkenny01
02-01-2010, 08:17 AM
Luc "da prince" Mah a Moute
he to legit to quit watch make a defensive team this year

$ NyC $
02-01-2010, 08:53 AM
Thabo Sefalosha and Kendrick Perkins.

Thabo is a very versatile-defender. Gets steals and blocks and has good length at 6'7.

Perkins is an amazing post-defender. Not appreciated as much is the way he just frustrates other big man with his physical D. His offensive game is improving as well.

Lo Porto
02-01-2010, 09:40 AM
Jared Jeffries - if the guy was making $3 million a year, every team would want him. Instead, people think he's terrible because he's overpaid. The guy can guard PG, SG, SF and PF with great success. He's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

sunnydayin'zona
02-01-2010, 11:13 AM
jared dudley

HammerHead1
02-01-2010, 11:18 AM
vladamir radmonavic, sounds like a joke but a lot better than most people think.

In that case, Steve Nash :p

Legitimate
02-01-2010, 02:04 PM
jarret jack- Toronto raptors. very underated defender IMO