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yojoe792
01-24-2010, 03:46 AM
Most people give LeBron credit for being the best player in the NBA...but will this be up for debate in the next few years?

I think Durant will really give Lebron a run for his money, the guy is going to be 35-8 fast, with even more potential than that.

Your thoughts?

philab
01-24-2010, 03:51 AM
For MVPs, scoring titles, and statistics in general, yes.

For best player in the game, I think he'll fall short.

Jambox5000
01-24-2010, 04:07 AM
This will only ever be a discussion on forums like this...Durant is not in the same universe of talent that Lebron James is, don't feel bad...nobody else is either (except Kobe, but his best days are behind him...lebron's are still in front).

pd7631
01-24-2010, 04:09 AM
Kind of off topic from the thread, but...

It's hard for these player rivalries to fully develop given the fact that these guys only play eachother a couple times a year. They would have to meet in the playoffs to have that real rivalry develop, so we can see them go at it in a 7 game series with everything on the line. Only then do I think you can make a truly good judgement as to who the better player is.

As far as Durant vs. Lebron goes, I don't think Durant will ever be considered as good or better than Lebron. Lebron does everything so well, and he's a much better defender. Although, I will admit to only seeing 1 OKC game this year, so I don't have as good a feel for how Durant's playing right now.

yojoe792
01-24-2010, 04:12 AM
This will only ever be a discussion on forums like this...Durant is not in the same universe of talent that Lebron James is, don't feel bad...nobody else is either (except Kobe, but his best days are behind him...lebron's are still in front).

Right now. But...

Durant at 21 (Now) - 29-7-3
Lebron at 25 (Now) - 30-7-7

People often forget Durant is still practically a kid. He can put on a lot of size and is yet to develop a strong basketball mind. If he has the right guys around him, and the chance to take on Lebron in the playoffs, its a difference story.

In 4 years, when Durant is 25 and Lebron is 29, I think we have a debate for sure.

LeBroom
01-24-2010, 04:14 AM
It will be, once Kobe retires, or once Kobe's game starts to decline, like 3-4 yrs from now.

pd7631
01-24-2010, 04:19 AM
Right now. But...

Durant at 21 (Now) - 29-7-3
Lebron at 25 (Now) - 30-7-7

People often forget Durant is still practically a kid. He can put on a lot of size and is yet to develop a strong basketball mind. If he has the right guys around him, and the chance to take on Lebron in the playoffs, its a difference story.

In 4 years, when Durant is 25 and Lebron is 29, I think we have a debate for sure.


Lebron at 21......31-7-6.6

nipo10847
01-24-2010, 04:23 AM
I have been saying this with my buddies for a while. Yes, it's gonna be LeBron-Durant's league for the next decade. Anyone disagrees, doesnt watch durant's game. Sure his defense is far behind than LeBron's, but LeBron was not better at 21. He is improving at a scary pace. He still has 5/6 years to be in his prime. LeBron is entering his prime now.

ElMarroAfamado
01-24-2010, 04:30 AM
as far as championships go...kevin durant will be in contention and get closer than lebron....youll seee...

_KB24_
01-24-2010, 04:41 AM
The correct discussion will be Durant vs Wall in 5 years time.

xbrackattackx
01-24-2010, 04:45 AM
I still like Durant Better.

Mavrix
01-24-2010, 04:57 AM
Right now. But...

Durant at 21 (Now) - 29-7-3
Lebron at 25 (Now) - 30-7-7

People often forget Durant is still practically a kid. He can put on a lot of size and is yet to develop a strong basketball mind. If he has the right guys around him, and the chance to take on Lebron in the playoffs, its a difference story.

In 4 years, when Durant is 25 and Lebron is 29, I think we have a debate for sure.

...When Lebron was 21 he averaged

31.4-7-6.6

JayW_1023
01-24-2010, 07:14 AM
I think the people claiming that if LeBron and Durant were to switchj places the Cavs would've just as good is complete bull. Durant is still not nearly as good as LBJ at the same age.

Bashna
01-24-2010, 07:51 AM
The correct discussion will be Durant vs Wall in 5 years time.


uhh. Idk if you're just trying to say durant vs wall is a better comparison, or if you're saying Lebron will be out of the throne in 5 years and durant and wall will be the best 2 players in the NBA. Because if the latter is true, you're VERYYYYYYYYY wrong. Lebron is going to be the #1 player in the NBA for atleast another decade or so, as was kobe for the majority of this decade.

Like already stated in this thread. Durant will challenged Lebron for MVP's, scoring titles, and Stat ratings...Lebron is far and wide the better defend (he was a better defender at 21 compared to Durant aswell). He's just too naturally athletic for Durant. Durant is going to be a top 5 player in the NBA for sure once he learns to defend better, maybe even top 3 or 4. (Lebron/Wade/Durant/x/Cp3)

wileyisTOFU
01-24-2010, 11:01 AM
Hopefully for the league it will

ManRam
01-24-2010, 11:07 AM
I don't think so at all. Durant may win an MVP or two, but never will he be considered better than LeBron. As far as I'm concerned, he's a LeBron-lite. I don't think the will ever be a better, or equal, all around player. He might be a slightly better scorer, but he'll never be on LeBron's level as far as passing, defense, team-leading, and honestly I don't think he'll be considered the better shooter in the long run.

cHi8DaL5LA420
01-24-2010, 11:14 AM
it already is in my book... sure lebron owns the highlight reel but kevin is an awesome player and he is single handedly making okc a team to be delt with... different style of game for each player but both are great.

tjlipford
01-24-2010, 11:44 AM
I dont think he will ever be as good as LB but man KD is a monster. He's only 21 and he already is tearing the league up

Raidaz4Life
01-24-2010, 11:46 AM
Durant will definitely be in the discussion in 3 years. His only knock is his weight, If he went up to 240-250 he could easily be as dominant.

FlakeyFool
01-24-2010, 11:49 AM
nobody is as good as lebron. He is King James!!!

Kakaroach
01-24-2010, 11:57 AM
I don't think so, he can't handle the ball and make plays for teammates like LeBron does, and he needs to bulk up.

DCB/LAL
01-24-2010, 12:02 PM
Well Durant has the height if he can put on the pounds and develope a GREAT post up game along with being able to drive to the basket like Lebron he possibly could be better on the offensive side cause he already has a better shooting game than Lebron.


And for those saying Lebrons averages at 21 consider this...


Lebron(at 21)- 42:30 MPG 23.1 Attempts per game 31.4 PPG 7.0 Reb 6.6 Ast

Durant(at 21)- 39:53 MPG 20.2 Attempts per game 29.3 PPG 7.3 Reb 2.9 Ast


Lebron took 3 more shots per game and played 2:30 minutes more than Durant when he was 21 and thats quite a bit in the NBA.


Fixed :D

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-24-2010, 12:08 PM
Well Durant has the height if he can put on the pounds and develope a GREAT post up game along with being able to drive to the basket like Lebron he possibly could be better on the offensive side cause he already has a better shooting game than Lebron.


And for those saying Lebrons averages at 21 consider this...


Lebron(at 21)- 39:53 MPG 23.1 Attempts per game 31.4 PPG 7.0 Reb 6.6 Ast

Durant(at 21)- 42:30 MPG 20.2 Attempts per game 29.3 PPG 7.3 Reb 2.9 Ast


Lebron took 3 more shots per game and played 2:30 minutes more than Durant when he was 21 and thats quite a bit in the NBA.

umm...NO

tredigs
01-24-2010, 12:27 PM
Well Durant has the height if he can put on the pounds and develope a GREAT post up game along with being able to drive to the basket like Lebron he possibly could be better on the offensive side cause he already has a better shooting game than Lebron.


And for those saying Lebrons averages at 21 consider this...


Lebron(at 21)- 39:53 MPG 23.1 Attempts per game 31.4 PPG 7.0 Reb 6.6 Ast

Durant(at 21)- 42:30 MPG 20.2 Attempts per game 29.3 PPG 7.3 Reb 2.9 Ast


Lebron took 3 more shots per game and played 2:30 minutes more than Durant when he was 21 and thats quite a bit in the NBA.

You've got the words right, but the numbers wrong. Durants at 39:53 a game this year while LBJ averaged 42:30 at 21.

Durant's already a better shooter than Lebron, from both mid-range, three, and at the line (WAY better, here). Also, I have Durant on my fantasy and watch nearly every OKC game on LP, and can say that his passing is actually an underrated aspect of his game. He has no problem finding the open man. Doesn't help his assist total that his teams fg% other than him is disgusting, though. Between Sefolosha/Westbrook/Harden/Green, you're looking at a combined fg% of about 40-41%. I'd say he averages 5 assists min on most teams.

DCB/LAL
01-24-2010, 12:35 PM
umm...NO


You've got the words right, but the numbers wrong. Durants at 39:53 a game this year while LBJ averaged 42:30 at 21.

Durant's already a better shooter than Lebron, from both mid-range, three, and at the line (WAY better, here). Also, I have Durant on my fantasy and watch nearly every OKC game on LP, and can say that his passing is actually an underrated aspect of his game. He has no problem finding the open man. Doesn't help his assist total that his teams fg% other than him is disgusting, though. Between Sefolosha/Westbrook/Harden/Green, you're looking at a combined fg% of about 40-41%. I'd say he averages 5 assists min on most teams.

Fixed :D


I had them switched around my bad.

nycericanguy
01-24-2010, 12:40 PM
Durant is more of a scorer, he has the potential to average 35ppg which is insane. Although once he gets a really good team around him or a 2nd scorer his average might drop.

There are things that set Lebron apart though, 1) his comination of size and speed. Lebron has the body to play PF easily yet can run the point. and 2) of course is his passing, you can make a case that Lebron is one of the top 5 passers in the NBA. That size and passing ability combination is just so rare. I don't think theres any question that Lebron couldnt average 35-40 ppg if he wanted to, but he has an all around game. You look at Kobe for instance, he gets his 25-30 ppg but he takes alot of shots, shoots a lower percentage and doesnt pass like Lebron. And please lets not start a KOBE VS LEBRON, i was just making a point.

all that said durant is an absolute beast and like Lebron he shoots a really good percentage...thats not easy to find.

AJSTL09
01-24-2010, 12:53 PM
absolutely not you people are high

LebronsLevel
01-24-2010, 01:18 PM
Most people give LeBron credit for being the best player in the NBA...but will this be up for debate in the next few years?

I think Durant will really give Lebron a run for his money, the guy is going to be 35-8 fast, with even more potential than that.

Your thoughts?

Durant will never be as good as Lebron.

DCB/LAL
01-24-2010, 01:19 PM
So whith similiar numbers if Durant were to lead his team to an NBA championship before Lebron would he the better player?

ManRam
01-24-2010, 01:23 PM
So whith similiar numbers if Durant were to lead his team to an NBA championship before Lebron would he the better player?

He'll never put up the all around numbers LeBron puts up, nor will he be as good defensively. Depending on the circumstance (the team around him), if he won a ring before LeBron, I might change my mind. But it all depends. LeBron has never had an elite supporting cast. Durant has a ton of youth around him that could blossom into an amazing supporting cast.

Winning a ring doesn't make you better than everyone else. It's a team effort. So I guess, even with a ring, Durant isn't ever going to be better in my eyes. I don't think he could carry the Cavs half as far as Bron can.

DCB/LAL
01-24-2010, 01:39 PM
He'll never put up the all around numbers LeBron puts up, nor will he be as good defensively. Depending on the circumstance (the team around him), if he won a ring before LeBron, I might change my mind. But it all depends. LeBron has never had an elite supporting cast. Durant has a ton of youth around him that could blossom into an amazing supporting cast.

Winning a ring doesn't make you better than everyone else. It's a team effort. So I guess, even with a ring, Durant isn't ever going to be better in my eyes. I don't think he could carry the Cavs half as far as Bron can.

I agree that he wont be a better defensive player although alot can happen over a year I mean after the 08 olympics it looked every player on TEAM USA had improved their Defensive game especially Lebron(or maybe that was just me) I however do think Durant will be the slightly better Offensive player.


Cleveland shoots .48% as a team and while you may say well they have Lebron and Shaq and the post is where they live they are also shooting an impressive .407% from 3 and thats tops in the NBA while on the other side Durants supporting cast is shooting .45% as a team and only .332% from 3 which is 6th worst in the NBA while im sure some knowledgable fans will argue that Lebron makes the lane collapse on him thus leading to open 3's one would be crazy not to think Durant doesn't draw a double and I believe if Durant can put on some pounds and learn to drive to the basket with success he will be a better offensive player and it'll also help him on the defensive side of the ball and as his Youthful teammates come into their own I beleive his assists will also go up.

tredigs
01-24-2010, 01:39 PM
He'll never put up the all around numbers LeBron puts up, nor will he be as good defensively. Depending on the circumstance (the team around him), if he won a ring before LeBron, I might change my mind. But it all depends. LeBron has never had an elite supporting cast. Durant has a ton of youth around him that could blossom into an amazing supporting cast.

Winning a ring doesn't make you better than everyone else. It's a team effort. So I guess, even with a ring, Durant isn't ever going to be better in my eyes. I don't think he could carry the Cavs half as far as Bron can.

Durant is just as good if not better defensively now than Lebron at 21. His pitiful D of his first two seasons is a thing of the past. They brought in a defensive specialist this summer and it looks like it's paying dividends. And how can you say he'll "never put up all around numbers as good as Lebron".

Durant's also going to be a better offensive player, it's already debatable that he is, actually.
A completely feasible average stat line for Durant in the next year or two could be: 33ppg/8rpg/6apg/ 50%fg 40%3p (~2.0/5.0 average) 90%line.

Like you said, his team has a large amount of young talent, and if they can find a way to pick up a big time veteran addition like Antawn Jamison or even Troy Murphy, they'll be a championship contender next year. That's when Lebron vs. Durant truly begins. But the steps are all in place for KD.

runforrestrunx9
01-24-2010, 02:12 PM
Right now. But...

Durant at 21 (Now) - 29-7-3
Lebron at 25 (Now) - 30-7-7

People often forget Durant is still practically a kid. He can put on a lot of size and is yet to develop a strong basketball mind. If he has the right guys around him, and the chance to take on Lebron in the playoffs, its a difference story.

In 4 years, when Durant is 25 and Lebron is 29, I think we have a debate for sure.

i can dig it

vash9
01-24-2010, 02:18 PM
eh. i don't really see it right now, BUUUUUT

Durant is a beast...

soonabooma
01-24-2010, 02:20 PM
I'm an OKC guy so I get to watch every Thunder game and see Durant in person every now and then when I can make it out to games, and he's the real deal. He's as talented of a basketball player as there has ever been. But what sets Lebron apart from most other guys including Durant is his physical gifts, it's not just a talent thing, it's a physical thing. He's just a freak of nature. He's so big and strong and athletic. Even when he came into the league, you could already tell he was a man among boys. He's like basketballs equivalent of Adrian Peterson....just a notch above the rest becuz of his physical gifts. Are there other great running backs in the league? Sure, but is there another Adrian Peterson? Not even close. It's the same thing with LBJ. He's just special. But I'm glad we've got KD becuz he's got something special about him too, and he's gonna lead us to some big things.:box:

yojoe792
01-24-2010, 02:23 PM
What if Durant wins a title before Lebron does?

I think you have to put them in the same boat at that point.

Baller1
01-24-2010, 03:11 PM
A lot of you aren't giving Durant enough credit to his ability to drive the ball. I watch as many Thunder games as I possibly can, and Durant is not the same player as he was his first two years in the league. He gets to the line at an amazing rate (3rd in the league), but the scary thing is, he makes his FT's (top 10 in FT%).

Lebron is clearly the best player in the entire league, but I think some of you are underestimating KD's game and the fact that this will be the debate for the next decade. The kid has improved in almost every single statistical category, and I have a strong feeling that he very well might be the Scoring Champion by the end of the season.

Raph12
01-24-2010, 05:06 PM
Yeah I think he will, when Durant is about 31 and Lebron is 35, I think he'll be considered better.

JasonJohnHorn
01-25-2010, 07:24 PM
Durant is a solid player and potentially a true franchise player. He can work the boards, shoot and score and he's no slouch on D, but he isn't as good at handling the ball and setting up teammates. Will this ever be a debate? Durant is more than capable of developing his passing game and improving his shooting, and if he does that then this certainly will be a debate in the future.

Clearly LBJ is better now and at Durant's current age was a better player as well, but some guys develop late (look at Scottie Pippen).

Durant seems to have game and if he gets some talent around him I can see the two being the premiere players at the small forward position.

Shahrose
01-25-2010, 08:47 PM
in 5 years KD will be better than LBJ
he really needs to bulk up by gaining 20-30 more pounds

SteveNash
01-25-2010, 08:49 PM
Maybe if he ever averages more assists than turnovers.

Ansy
01-25-2010, 08:57 PM
It's possible, but unlikely. LeBron doesn't only have the best regular season stats; he also plays a whole lot better in the playoffs than he does in the regular season, and that's how the best of the best separate themselves. It's playoff performances that make Hakeem better than David Robinson, when the two had stunningly similar careers otherwise.

LeBron has lifted his team beyond all expectations numerous times in the playoffs. Durant scores a lot of points. We didn't start talking about LeBron as among the best players in the game until he lifted his Cavs over a vastly superior Detroit team. Durant needs to do something similar before we start this conversation.

McGrady, Carter and Iverson scored a lot of points too. It's no more likely that Durant follows in Kobe's shoes than it is that he follows theirs. Time and experience will tell. I'd say this conversation is at least a couple of years early, if it ever needs to happen at all.

HuRRiCaNeS324
01-25-2010, 09:27 PM
Nooooo

0nekhmer
01-26-2010, 12:24 AM
Wow is he really third in the league at getting to the FT line? I only assumed that he was getting most of his looks from shots and or open looks. I don't watch any of the games so I wouldn't know. All I know is that team is stacked with young exploding talent. In my NBA 2K9, they got to the finals with an acquisition of Shaq.

Baller1
01-26-2010, 12:43 AM
Wow is he really third in the league at getting to the FT line? I only assumed that he was getting most of his looks from shots and or open looks. I don't watch any of the games so I wouldn't know. All I know is that team is stacked with young exploding talent. In my NBA 2K9, they got to the finals with an acquisition of Shaq.

Exactly my point. He isn't given nearly enough credit for his ability to get to the free throw line (Top 10 in FT% as well).

Tulanehockey
01-26-2010, 01:01 AM
Only if Durant takes roids and puts on 50-60 pounds.

jsumadchat
01-26-2010, 01:10 AM
anyways, give it 3 years and it will be a legitimate debate between these 2. unless bronbron gets shot or a brutal career ending injury or anything else catastrophic

thedfactor
01-26-2010, 01:18 AM
I feel like this isn't out of the question, but LeBron has always been a do-it-all type guy. He scores, rebounds, passes, steals, blocks. If Durant can work to do all those and keep making his team better in the West, I see him in the discussion. KD is one hell of a player and is really young.

Kabowdos
01-26-2010, 01:44 AM
Most people give LeBron credit for being the best player in the NBA...but will this be up for debate in the next few years?

I think Durant will really give Lebron a run for his money, the guy is going to be 35-8 fast, with even more potential than that.

Your thoughts?

It is all going to come down to the RINGS.

azkarraga
01-26-2010, 06:23 AM
I do hope someday this LBJ vs Durant will be an issue, but not now.

GOON MUSIC
01-26-2010, 07:52 AM
For MVPs, scoring titles, and statistics in general, yes.

For best player in the game, I think he'll fall short.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

KG21
01-26-2010, 08:25 AM
I hope so.Durant is a solid scorer, and I think that he has better shooting "hands" then lebron, even tho lebron improved a lot from last year.

JayW_1023
01-26-2010, 09:15 AM
Durant reminds me so much of the Iceman, George Gervin, and I envision a similair type of career for him.

Wilson
01-26-2010, 10:01 AM
Right now. But...

Durant at 21 (Now) - 29-7-3
Lebron at 25 (Now) - 30-7-7

People often forget Durant is still practically a kid. He can put on a lot of size and is yet to develop a strong basketball mind. If he has the right guys around him, and the chance to take on Lebron in the playoffs, its a difference story.

In 4 years, when Durant is 25 and Lebron is 29, I think we have a debate for sure.

Nice post. Kevin Durant needs to improve defensively, but we were saying the same thing about LeBron when he was 21. The most important thing to remember is that Kevin has a good head on his shoulders, he's already asked Kobe Bryant for advice on how to get better in the past. That he's willing to approach a veteren and ask for advice like that shows a good amount of responsibility and work ethic. I think he has a very bright future.

alencp3
01-27-2010, 07:59 PM
Durant vs Reke vs Wall vs Griffin (yeah yeah him) in few years.

blastmasta26
01-27-2010, 10:21 PM
Durant is a hard worker and his game is improving very quickly. I think he has a chance at contesting LeBron for the best player in the NBA in a couple of years.