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JordansBulls
01-19-2010, 11:10 PM
With the marquee game coming up on this Thursday the 21st and the two teams being the top seed in there respective conferences, who will end up with the #1 seed overall?



NOTE: Cavs have played 18 home games and 25 road games and are 32-11. Lakers have played 26 home games and 15 road games and are 32-9.

arkanian215
01-19-2010, 11:11 PM
very interesting. cleveland has a great chance at the ship this year.

Vinny642
01-19-2010, 11:12 PM
Lakers will get the best record but they are really equal.

Jays Claw
01-19-2010, 11:14 PM
The Cleveland Cavaliers play in a weaker conference. While the Los Angeles Lakers play in a tougher conference. In my opinion, the Cleveland Cavaliers will hold the best record in the NBA at the end of the season. Simply because they face off against weaker competition more often.

ManRam
01-19-2010, 11:15 PM
Cavs. Easier conference. Fewer road games left and so on.

ThuglifeJ
01-20-2010, 12:04 AM
Cavs try a lot harder every night than most teams. I see them gettin 1 seed again

and losing to Boston, Orlando,or Hawks at some point in the playoffs

ARMIN12NBA
01-20-2010, 12:14 AM
I think if the Lakers go at least 6-2 in this grueling 8 game road trip (including a W against the Cavs), then they will likely have the best record in the league.

_KB24_
01-20-2010, 12:30 AM
Lakers. We are the toughest team to play when 100% healthy. I still am waiting to see what unfolds in the East after the All-Star break. I'm not sold on the Cavs having the best record again.

Lakersfan2483
01-20-2010, 12:30 AM
I will let you know after we complete this 8 game road trip.

ARMIN12NBA
01-20-2010, 12:38 AM
One more thing to consider: The Cavs have been the absolute healthiest team in the NBA, especially for the elite teams. I know these polls are usually barring injuries, but this should be taken into consideration as injuries end up happening to each and every team. The Lakers have dealt with a large bout of injuries and are due a nice run heading into the playoffs healthy.

Lakersfan2483
01-20-2010, 12:41 AM
One more thing to consider: The Cavs have been the absolute healthiest team in the NBA, especially for the elite teams. I know these polls are usually barring injuries, but this should be taken into consideration as injuries end up happening to each and every team. The Lakers have dealt with a large bout of injuries and are due a nice run heading into the playoffs healthy.

The Lakers have only lost 9 games so far, imagine the team's record had Pau not missed 17 games and Ron not missed 5 games.

Kakaroach
01-20-2010, 12:54 AM
Cavs will get it again just like last year I think. Weaker conference = more wins.

RaiderLakersA's
01-20-2010, 01:00 AM
Cavs try a lot harder every night than most teams. I see them gettin 1 seed again

and losing to Boston, Orlando,or Hawks at some point in the playoffs

This

ko8e24
01-20-2010, 01:06 AM
I obviously feel that the Lakers will get it, and so I voted for them.

But, I wouldn't mind if things turned the way they did last season

Cavs get best records


Lakers 2nd best


LeBron League Mvp


Kobe Finals Mvp




Lakers-NBA CHampions


:nod:

GREATNESS ONE
01-20-2010, 01:20 AM
I obviously feel that the Lakers will get it, and so I voted for them.

But, I wouldn't mind if things turned the way they did last season

Cavs get best records


Lakers 2nd best


LeBron League Mvp


Kobe Finals Mvp




Lakers-NBA CHampions


:nod:

:clap::)

Raph12
01-20-2010, 01:30 AM
I think LA will get it this season, they're a bit deeper and they're just starting to get healthy.

lakerboy
01-20-2010, 02:20 AM
Lakers will get it. We still haven't played those easy teams in the east.

Think about it.

@Washington @New York @New Jersey @Philly

ko8e24
01-20-2010, 02:24 AM
Lakers will get it. We still haven't played those easy teams in the east.

Think about it.

@Washington @New York @New Jersey @Philly

We already won @ New Jersey on that 5 game road trip in late December

RDBK514
01-20-2010, 01:22 PM
I think the Cavs get it due to the fact that they have more home games/more easy games because there in a weaker confrence

mikantsass
01-20-2010, 01:26 PM
Cavs will be #1 overall.... the East is too week for them not to be. They get easy gimme wins.

ottograham14
01-20-2010, 02:22 PM
I think everyone needs to calm down on this. First off you have no idea what will happen at the trade deadline this year where both teams names have been out there in rumors..........Cavs way more than the Lakers.

I say before you start making playoff predictions lets wait and see what the teams look like come late February because yes Lakers might be all around better team still but come Feb. if the Cavs can pull of a trade rape like the Lakers seem to be able to do then this whole thing can change.

king4day
01-20-2010, 02:35 PM
Based on health, I'd pick the Cavs.

Gators123
01-20-2010, 02:36 PM
Cavs

leftymo
01-20-2010, 05:28 PM
First, there's no question who the best team is. It's the Lakers.

But best record? Well one team has already played a great majority of games on the road, they have an easier schedule in an easier conference and the biggest point -- they play 5 road back to backs for the entire season, the Lakers play 12. The schedule also favors the Cavs.

Cavs will have the best record, Lakers are the best team. Finals are lookin like Cavs/Lakers, if Cleveland has dispelled their ghosts.

bigsams50
01-20-2010, 05:45 PM
Cavs. But only because i think they'll make a good splash at the trade deadline

shep33
01-20-2010, 05:49 PM
As more of a lakers fan, I still think Cleveland will get it just b/c they're in the east, and the Lakers haven't played many roadies yet. That being said, Boston when healhty, is the best team in the east, and I still can't see the Cavs getting past them in the playoffs. They basically matchup perfectly.

Rondo can guard Williams, and won't let him post up as much

Pierce and Allen can stretch the floor

No body is stopping lebron, but he won't get as many easy buckets with
Perkins, Wallace, Garnett, and Big Baby having 24 fouls to work with, knocking him to the ground on a few. But LBJ is gonna get his.

Plus maybe if Boston gets Nate Robinson, they could be even deadlier. Cavs have got to get Jamison to make it even.

Avenged
01-20-2010, 05:49 PM
I think Cleveland will get it. Boston will eventually get healthy and knock the Cavs out of the playoffs because they are the better team when healthy. The Cavs can keep getting the best record in the NBA but until they take advantage of that the Lakers simply wont care when they're the ones lifting the trophy in the end.

kobe24>lebron23
01-20-2010, 10:32 PM
lakers no doubt about it

ARMIN12NBA
01-21-2010, 08:37 PM
Cavs have suffered their first big injury. Mo Williams out for 6 weeks.

Vidball
01-21-2010, 08:50 PM
Yeah Armin...I was about to quote your earlier post--good call.

rapswin98
01-21-2010, 08:54 PM
I think Lakers wouldve had a far better record if they were healthy, now that there healthy I think they will finish with the best record.

ko8e24
01-21-2010, 10:18 PM
Ya I heard Mo Williams could be out for about a month with that shoulder injury. So with everyone back for the Lakers, and slowly but surely getting healthy, and of course with the uncertainty with KG's knee for the Celts, and the Magic not being a better team than last yr (for their system, Turkoglu > Carter), the Lakers will end up with the best record in the NBA.

MTar786
01-22-2010, 04:30 AM
how long do u think kobes finger will take to heal? only then will i say the lakers are 100%
will it be soon or till seasons en? or is it one of those pinky things. needs surgery?

G-Funk
01-22-2010, 11:11 AM
Cavs, they're in the East

Chronz
01-22-2010, 04:03 PM
Not a bad first test without Mo ehh


Ya I heard Mo Williams could be out for about a month with that shoulder injury. So with everyone back for the Lakers, and slowly but surely getting healthy, and of course with the uncertainty with KG's knee for the Celts, and the Magic not being a better team than last yr (for their system, Turkoglu > Carter), the Lakers will end up with the best record in the NBA.

You sure its their system, I thought it was VC's ailing body and declining ability

JordansBulls
01-25-2010, 08:24 PM
Not a bad first test without Mo ehh



You sure its their system, I thought it was VC's ailing body and declining ability

How long you think they can handle it? If Lebron burns himself out trying to get that #1 seed with Mo out, he might not have enough for the playoffs.

_KB24_
01-25-2010, 08:29 PM
Lakers. They will get healthy eventually and go back to playing that dominant ball they showed they could sustain earlier in the season.

JordansBulls
01-31-2010, 11:55 PM
Cavs, they're in the East

They were 26-4 against the West last year and 40-12 against the East.

Bashna
02-01-2010, 05:00 AM
Cavs will get it...Without West and Mo they've beaten good teams. Also, Leon Powe has been out for awhile, he should be coming back soon. Shaq has held up nicely, lebron has been lebron. Lakers have had some issues, and have played A LOT of home games. Cavs will get it, by maybe 2 or 3 games.

Chronz
02-01-2010, 05:15 AM
How long you think they can handle it? If Lebron burns himself out trying to get that #1 seed with Mo out, he might not have enough for the playoffs.

Do you really think it will be a bigger load for Bron, Im assuming its Shaq that will have to shoulder a bigger burden from this point forward, for however long hes out on the court. Theres not really much more Bron could do for that team.

LA_Raiders
02-01-2010, 05:50 AM
La

Hawkeye15
02-01-2010, 11:26 AM
Cavs. They play in the east, and have five less road games, and have the best record currently. They also own the tiebreaker with the Lakers obviously.

Penetra8r
02-01-2010, 11:49 AM
Its going to be a tough run for #1 total overall seed for both sides

I dont like the 2 - 3 - 2 format

Hawkeye15
02-01-2010, 11:51 AM
Its going to be a tough run for #1 total overall seed for both sides

I dont like the 2 - 3 - 2 format

me too dude. Game 5 should always be at the higher seeds court, it is the most important game of the series if tied 2-2.

JordansBulls
02-01-2010, 04:16 PM
Do you really think it will be a bigger load for Bron, Im assuming its Shaq that will have to shoulder a bigger burden from this point forward, for however long hes out on the court. Theres not really much more Bron could do for that team.

No, but I assume he wants the best record in the league again. And I agree, I think Shaq needs to do more, but he may save himself for the playoffs when he would really be needed.

JordansBulls
02-28-2010, 07:35 PM
Thru 60 games.


Cavs 46-14
Lakers 45-15

Fireworld
02-28-2010, 07:54 PM
I think the Cave will because they play weaker Eastern teams 4 times, where the Lakers play more .500+ teams 4 times.

jtrinaldi
02-28-2010, 07:54 PM
not gonna be a homer but if the bucks keep on the pace there at now they won't lose a game by the end of the year so thus the milwaukee bucks will get the number 1 seed.

drobe86
02-28-2010, 07:57 PM
Doesn't really matter neither team will be in the NBA Finals.....

Giannis94
02-28-2010, 07:58 PM
Doesn't really matter neither team will be in the NBA Finals.....

MAvs vs. Bucks baby!

ko8e24
02-28-2010, 08:03 PM
1. Cleveland Cavaliers (46-14) (22 Remaining: 12 H, 10 R, 3 sets of back-to-backs, 12 Games vs Playoff Teams)
2. Los Angeles Lakers (45-15) (22 Remaining: 8 H, 14 R, 5 sets of back-to-backs, 12 Games vs Playoff Teams)

Head-to-Head Regular Season Matchup: 2-0 (Cavaliers will earn top record in the event of a tie)


From this point on, the Los Angeles Lakers, must have 2 less losses (the rest of the way) than the Cleveland Cavaliers in order to finsh 1 win ahead of them, and thus, the best record in the league.

Remaining Schedule

Lakers

MARCH
Tue, Mar 2 Indiana 10:30 PM

Thu, Mar 4 @ Miami 8:00 PM TNT
Fri, Mar 5 @ Charlotte 7:00 PM

Sun, Mar 7 @ Orlando 2:30 PM ABC

Tue, Mar 9 Toronto 10:30 PM

Fri, Mar 12 @ Phoenix 9:00 PM

Mon, Mar 15 @ Golden State 10:30 PM
Tue, Mar 16 @ Sacramento 10:00 PM

Fri, Mar 19 Minnesota 10:30 PM

Sun, Mar 21 Washington 9:30 PM

Wed, Mar 24 @ San Antonio 9:30 PM

Fri, Mar 26 @ Oklahoma City 8:00 PM
Sat, Mar 27 @ Houston 8:30 PM

Mon, Mar 29 @ New Orleans 8:00 PM

Wed, Mar 31 @ Atlanta 7:00 PM

APRIL
Fri, Apr 2 Utah 10:30 PM

Sun, Apr 4 San Antonio 3:30 PM

Thu, Apr 8 @ Denver 10:30 PM TNT
Fri, Apr 9 @ Minnesota 8:00 PM

Sun, Apr 11 Portland 3:30 PM ABC

Tue, Apr 13 Sacramento 10:30 PM
Wed, Apr 14 @ LA Clippers 10:30 PM




Cavaliers

MARCH
Mon, Mar 1 NY Knicks 7:00 PM

Wed, Mar 3 @ New Jersey 7:30 PM

Fri, Mar 5 Detroit 7:00 PM
Sat, Mar 6 @ Milwaukee 8:30 PM

Mon, Mar 8 San Antonio 7:00 PM

Fri, Mar 12 @ Philadelphia 7:00 PM

Sun, Mar 14 Boston 3:30 PM ABC

Tue, Mar 16 @ Detroit 7:30 PM
Wed, Mar 17 Indiana 7:00 PM

Fri, Mar 19 @ Chicago 8:00 PM

Sun, Mar 21 Detroit 8:00 PM

Wed, Mar 24 @ New Orleans 8:00 PM

Fri, Mar 26 @ San Antonio 8:30 PM

Sun, Mar 28 Sacramento 3:00 PM

Wed, Mar 31 Milwaukee 7:00 PM

Fri, Apr 2 Atlanta 8:00 PM

Sun, Apr 4 @ Boston 1:00 PM ABC

Tue, Apr 6 Toronto 7:00 PM

Thu, Apr 8 @ Chicago 8:00 PM TNT
Fri, Apr 9 Indiana 7:30 PM

Sun, Apr 11 Orlando 1:00 PM ABC

Wed, Apr 14 @ Atlanta 8:00 PM

ko8e24
02-28-2010, 08:07 PM
Doesn't really matter neither team will be in the NBA Finals.....

lol, well, if you guys really really really wanna get back to the finals and represent the Western Conference, don't embarrass yourselves and the rest of the West like you did in 06 when yall had a 2-0 lead with HCA and CHOKED!





You have to get thru us son, and regular season don't mean **** to the defending champs! It only matters for unproven teams like yourself!

Giannis94
02-28-2010, 08:11 PM
God lakers fans are so errogant.....

kArSoN RyDaH
02-28-2010, 08:16 PM
1. Cleveland Cavaliers (46-14) (22 Remaining: 12 H, 10 R, 3 sets of back-to-backs, 12 Games vs Playoff Teams)
2. Los Angeles Lakers (45-15) (22 Remaining: 8 H, 14 R, 5 sets of back-to-backs, 12 Games vs Playoff Teams)

Head-to-Head Regular Season Matchup: 2-0 (Cavaliers will earn top record in the event of a tie)


From this point on, the Los Angeles Lakers, must have 2 less losses (the rest of the way) than the Cleveland Cavaliers in order to finsh 1 win ahead of them, and thus, the best record in the league.

Remaining Schedule

Lakers

MARCH
Tue, Mar 2 Indiana 10:30 PM

Thu, Mar 4 @ Miami 8:00 PM TNT
Fri, Mar 5 @ Charlotte 7:00 PM

Sun, Mar 7 @ Orlando 2:30 PM ABC

Tue, Mar 9 Toronto 10:30 PM

Fri, Mar 12 @ Phoenix 9:00 PM

Mon, Mar 15 @ Golden State 10:30 PM
Tue, Mar 16 @ Sacramento 10:00 PM

Fri, Mar 19 Minnesota 10:30 PM

Sun, Mar 21 Washington 9:30 PM

Wed, Mar 24 @ San Antonio 9:30 PM

Fri, Mar 26 @ Oklahoma City 8:00 PM
Sat, Mar 27 @ Houston 8:30 PM

Mon, Mar 29 @ New Orleans 8:00 PM

Wed, Mar 31 @ Atlanta 7:00 PM

APRIL
Fri, Apr 2 Utah 10:30 PM

Sun, Apr 4 San Antonio 3:30 PM

Thu, Apr 8 @ Denver 10:30 PM TNT
Fri, Apr 9 @ Minnesota 8:00 PM

Sun, Apr 11 Portland 3:30 PM ABC

Tue, Apr 13 Sacramento 10:30 PM
Wed, Apr 14 @ LA Clippers 10:30 PM




Cavaliers

MARCH
Mon, Mar 1 NY Knicks 7:00 PM

Wed, Mar 3 @ New Jersey 7:30 PM

Fri, Mar 5 Detroit 7:00 PM
Sat, Mar 6 @ Milwaukee 8:30 PM

Mon, Mar 8 San Antonio 7:00 PM

Fri, Mar 12 @ Philadelphia 7:00 PM

Sun, Mar 14 Boston 3:30 PM ABC

Tue, Mar 16 @ Detroit 7:30 PM
Wed, Mar 17 Indiana 7:00 PM

Fri, Mar 19 @ Chicago 8:00 PM

Sun, Mar 21 Detroit 8:00 PM

Wed, Mar 24 @ New Orleans 8:00 PM

Fri, Mar 26 @ San Antonio 8:30 PM

Sun, Mar 28 Sacramento 3:00 PM

Wed, Mar 31 Milwaukee 7:00 PM

Fri, Apr 2 Atlanta 8:00 PM

Sun, Apr 4 @ Boston 1:00 PM ABC

Tue, Apr 6 Toronto 7:00 PM

Thu, Apr 8 @ Chicago 8:00 PM TNT
Fri, Apr 9 Indiana 7:30 PM

Sun, Apr 11 Orlando 1:00 PM ABC

Wed, Apr 14 @ Atlanta 8:00 PM

all we need is one more win then them which means 1 less loss as well to get hca. we dont need 2 more wins or 2 less losses to get hca.

ko8e24
02-28-2010, 08:23 PM
God lakers fans are so errogant.....

Actually, it's true, which is why last yr, it was important for the Lakers to win those big games vs Boston and Cleveland. We were still unproven last yr until we won those big games, en route to playing well in the playoffs en route to a championship.

ko8e24
02-28-2010, 08:25 PM
all we need is one more win then them which means 1 less loss as well to get hca. we dont need 2 more wins or 2 less losses to get hca.

bro, we need 2 less losses from this point on because if we get 1 less loss, that'll mean we'd be both tied, and they hold the tie-breaker because they won the season series 2-0

Giannis94
02-28-2010, 08:27 PM
Rather be a Packer fan than a lacker fan

kArSoN RyDaH
02-28-2010, 08:30 PM
bro, we need 2 less losses from this point on because if we get 1 less loss, that'll mean we'd be both tied, and they hold the tie-breaker because they won the season series 2-0

noooo, if we have one less loss then that also means we have 1 more win then them meaning we have a better record which means there is no need for a tie breaker. our records have to be completelyy identical in order for there to be a tie breaker. if we have one less loss or one more win then we get hca

Raps18-19 Champ
02-28-2010, 08:35 PM
Head-to-Head Regular Season Matchup: 2-0 (Cavaliers will earn top record in the event of a tie)



Lakers or Cavs leading?

iggypop123
02-28-2010, 08:36 PM
cavs hold tie breaker and the cavs play in the east. they can and should coast to the best record

Kakaroach
02-28-2010, 08:55 PM
Cavs, especially considering they have the tie-breaker over the Lakers.

ko8e24
02-28-2010, 09:16 PM
noooo, if we have one less loss then that also means we have 1 more win then them meaning we have a better record which means there is no need for a tie breaker. our records have to be completelyy identical in order for there to be a tie breaker. if we have one less loss or one more win then we get hca

Okay bro, let me break it down yo.


Currently

Cavs-14 losses......56-14
Lakers-15 losses......55-15


Each team with 22 games remaining.

Say the Lakers lose 1 less game from here on out than the Cavaliers, example, Lakers lose 3 more games rest of the way (19-3), and Cavs lose 4 more games the rest of the way (18-4). Then the records will be...

Cavs-18 losses.....64-18
Lakers-18 losses....64-18

That's identical records. But since the Cavs beat the Lakers both times in the regular season, the Cavs get the homecourt advantage over the Lakers if both meet in the NBA Finals.


Now, what I was saying...

The only way the Lakers can HCA over the Cavs (if the 2 meet in the finals) is if the Lakers lose 2 Less games the rest of the way than the Cavs. For example, if the Lakers go 19-3 the rest of the way, and the Cavs go 17-5 the rest of the way.

That would be Lakers...18 losses....64-18
Cavs.....19 losses....63-19


If we tie or have less wins than the Cavs at the end of 82 games, they get HCA if the two teams meet in the finals. We have to have a better record then them, and that would require us winning 2 more games (or losing 2 less games-same thing) the rest of the way than the Cavs.

MacFitz92
02-28-2010, 09:34 PM
It's irrelevant, because the three best teams in the NBA are in the West. LA, Denver, and Dallas.

Giannis94
02-28-2010, 10:07 PM
It's irrelevant, because the three best teams in the NBA are in the West. LA, Denver, and Dallas.

And milwaukee

ko8e24
02-28-2010, 10:14 PM
And milwaukee

Andrew Bogut is a beast. That guy will get a rebound and just **** on your face!

Giannis94
02-28-2010, 10:16 PM
He blocked JJ like 2 times today. It was insane!

kArSoN RyDaH
02-28-2010, 10:33 PM
Okay bro, let me break it down yo.


Currently

Cavs-14 losses......56-14
Lakers-15 losses......55-15


Each team with 22 games remaining.

Say the Lakers lose 1 less game from here on out than the Cavaliers, example, Lakers lose 3 more games rest of the way (19-3), and Cavs lose 4 more games the rest of the way (18-4). Then the records will be...

Cavs-18 losses.....64-18
Lakers-18 losses....64-18

That's identical records. But since the Cavs beat the Lakers both times in the regular season, the Cavs get the homecourt advantage over the Lakers if both meet in the NBA Finals.


Now, what I was saying...

The only way the Lakers can HCA over the Cavs (if the 2 meet in the finals) is if the Lakers lose 2 Less games the rest of the way than the Cavs. For example, if the Lakers go 19-3 the rest of the way, and the Cavs go 17-5 the rest of the way.
That would be Lakers...18 losses....64-18
Cavs.....19 losses....63-19


If we tie or have less wins than the Cavs at the end of 82 games, they get HCA if the two teams meet in the finals. We have to have a better record then them, and that would require us winning 2 more games (or losing 2 less games-same thing) the rest of the way than the Cavs.

ohhhhhhhhhh okay hahahaa i was thinking you meant OVERALL but you meant the rest of the remaining games. ok. gotcha. lol