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FOBolous
01-19-2010, 05:58 PM
what do yall think?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-100119


EASTERN CONFERENCE

The Eastern Conference presents much easier choices than the West, as the starters at each of the five positions were fairly obvious picks.

Point Guard: Rajon Rondo, Boston
The elite defensive point guard in basketball also has been the most productive one in the East. Rondo leads all Eastern point guards in PER at 19.78, and given that the next two East points on the PER list are Gilbert Arenas and Luke Ridnour, I'd say we can call this one an open-and-shut case. Just to cement his spot, Rondo has led the Celtics to the second-best record in the East thus far despite injuries to All-Star forwards Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. Unfortunately, Iverson will usurp this spot in the fan voting.

Shooting Guard: Dwyane Wade, Miami
Another no-brainer. Wade may not be playing quite at the MVP-caliber level he was last season, but he's not too far off the pace, either. He's third in the NBA in PER (26.93) and second in estimated wins added -- pretty darned good for a guy who seems to be lacking some explosion compared to last season. As with Rondo, Wade benefits from the lack of competition at his spot: Joe Johnson and Andre Iguodala are the closest competition, and they're only tiny specks in Wade's rearview mirror.

Small Forward: LeBron James, Cleveland
James once again leads the league in PER -- with a mark that nearly doubles that of the next-best Eastern Conference small forwards (Pierce and Indiana's Danny Granger) -- and has the Cavs on top of the East standings.

LeBron has also played in every game for Cleveland this season, averaging 38.6 minutes per contest and leading the league in estimated wins added, with 16.7.

Power Forward: Chris Bosh, Toronto
Bosh can't be accused of lazing into his walk year -- his 26.43 PER ranks fourth in the NBA and is comfortably ahead of all other power forwards. Bosh is setting new career highs in points and rebounds per 40 minutes, shooting percentage and true shooting percentage, while helping the Raps push for a top-five seed in the East. While one would like to see him have more impact on defense, Garnett's injury leaves Bosh a great distance ahead of the field. Alas, it appears Garnett will win the fan voting for this spot.

Center: Dwight Howard, Orlando
As with Wade, I don't think Howard has been as good as he was last season. And as is the case with Wade, 90 percent of last season's Howard is still better than 100 percent of any other center this season. While New York's David Lee can nearly match Howard in offensive production, there's no comparison whatsoever on defense, as Howard is the linchpin of one of the league's best defensive teams. And even when he's not getting the rock, Howard never stops rebounding; he is once again leading the league in that category with 13.1 rebounds per game.

WESTERN CONFERENCE

The West has a preponderance of the league's stars, making the selection of its five best a bit more challenging. The ballot issues in this conference add to the fun, especially at the center spot. You'll see in a moment:

Point guard: Steve Nash, Suns
Choosing Nash over Chris Paul must be causing longtime readers to faint from shock. Make no mistake -- Paul is the better player. But he hasn't had a better first half of the season. While CP3 was on the sidelines with an injury for eight games, Nash was leading the Suns to a 14-3 start. And now he has Phoenix in position to grab a top-four seed in the West.

Nash has gained little recognition for his play compared to the lovefest surrounding him a few seasons ago, but this has actually been his best season. His 23.98 PER and 53.9 percent shooting mark are new career highs, and as my colleague Marc Stein points out, he's poised to become the first player ever to set a career high in scoring after age 35. In real life, this spot will go to McGrady, Nash or Paul, with the vote a virtual dead heat heading into the final days.

Shooting guard: Kobe Bryant, Lakers
Bryant has been sabotaging his PER over the past two weeks by playing hurt and firing up bricks. But even so, he narrowly outranks Portland's Brandon Roy in that category (23.47 to 22.61). Even if he didn't, we are inclined to take him anyway based on his defense, his track record and the fact that he's made several game-winning shots this season. Bryant also earns props for engineering a dramatic change in his game to feature his post-up skills -- one that would likely be paying even bigger dividends if his mangled fingers could get the rock into the basket.

Small forward: Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City
This is the second-most difficult choice on the ballot, as Durant and Carmelo Anthony have essentially equal résumés. If somebody wanted to pick Carmelo, I don't think I could generate a strong enough case for Durant to change his mind. Of course, the opposite is also true.

Both players are high-volume scorers who constantly get to the line, rebound well for their position, have low assist rates and have substantially improved their once-laughable defense. Anthony leads the league in scoring while Durant is third, with the margin between them (0.9 points per game) close enough that either could end up first at season's end. Durant has shot more efficiently, helped by his 86.9 percent mark from the line, but Anthony has won more.

What it ultimately came down to for me was availability. Durant hasn't missed a game; Anthony has missed five. In a race this close, that matters, and it's why I give Durant the nod. Anthony fans needn't worry, however -- back in the real world, he's going to win the voting by a wide margin.

Tim Duncan
Regardless of position, Duncan is a no-brainer as an All-Star starter. He's probably been the MVP of the Western Conference in the first half of the season, keeping the Spurs afloat despite the unexpected struggles of Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson, and ranks second only to King James in PER (27.87). Coming off a season in which it appeared chronic knee problems would diminish his productivity going forward, he's been among the first half's most pleasant surprises.

How good has Duncan been? He leads all Western Conference big men in estimated wins added despite playing only 32 minutes a game and sitting out three games. It's just unfortunate that he's on the ballot at power forward, because we could have used Duncan as the starting center and listed Dirk Nowitzki (who likely will beat out Duncan in the fan voting) as a starter at forward. Instead we have to do this:

Center: Zach Randolph, Memphis
You got a better idea? Look at the ballot. The two best centers in the West (Duncan and Pau Gasol) both appear on the ballot at power forward. Beyond them, we have a series of unappealing candidates. Nene, Andrew Bynum and Kaman all are having nice seasons, but it's questionable whether any has been good enough to claw his way in as the West's 12th man … much less as a starter. The underrated Marc Gasol is a favorite around these parts, but it's tough to nominate him as the West's starter when he's neither the best center in his own family nor the best big man on his own team. Greg Oden might have worked here, but he's out for the season.

The obvious option, then, is to turn the tables on the ballot authors by writing in a power forward at the center spot. This isn't a big stretch considering that (A) a power forward is going to win the voting at the center spot, and (B) Randolph can easily slide over to the 5.

And in terms of merit, this is an obvious choice. Randolph's resurrection has been the key to the Grizzlies' shocking competence this season, with Memphis owning a greater than 50-50 shot at making the playoffs, according to Tuesday morning's Playoff Odds. Randolph's PER (22.32) isn't quite a career high -- he was a beast for a bad Portland team in 2006-07, finishing with a 22.81 PER -- but he's shooting over 50 percent from the floor for the first time since his rookie year and is setting a new career best in rebound rate (18.2).

Hellcrooner
01-19-2010, 06:00 PM
marc gasol is not the best big man in his team?

lets feed him 20 shots a game and feed fatty mcburger 8 shots a game and letss see what happens.

bahama0811
01-19-2010, 06:00 PM
I think its a joke that they have Melo over Durant. Melo is having an MVP type season.

Lakerfan In NY
01-19-2010, 06:01 PM
Besides the Western centers i Agree.

JordansBulls
01-19-2010, 06:01 PM
Zach Randolph???

Is this serious here?

ManRam
01-19-2010, 06:02 PM
Can't complain with any of that.

LeBron having 16.7 estimated wins added already is insane. Didn't realize that.

DaBUU
01-19-2010, 06:03 PM
about right, i hate admitting it but Rondo is an All Star, still a lil *****, but an All Star none the less

ManRam
01-19-2010, 06:04 PM
marc gasol is not the best big man in his team?

lets feed him 20 shots a game and feed fatty mcburger 8 shots a game and letss see what happens.

Maybe there's a reason Gasol doesn't get the bulk of the load on offense: because Randolph is far superior.


Besides the Western centers i Agree.


Zach Randolph???

Is this serious here?

Who is more deserving. I don't see any center on the ballot. He's having a better year than Amare. Better than Marc. Better than Drew and Nene.

Lakersfan2483
01-19-2010, 06:04 PM
Randolph should not be in the starting lineup.

Hellcrooner
01-19-2010, 06:05 PM
he is just scoring a lot because he gets feeded a lot.

and i can guarantee you marc gasol would average a much better amount if feeded the same number of shots.

and that not even taking into account marc is a better passer and a better defender,

wich can also be said about bynum, jeffersonm duncan and pau gasol

randoph shoudl not have the smallest chance of making allstar just becaue he is scoring a falshy number

Chronz
01-19-2010, 06:07 PM
marc gasol is not the best big man in his team?

lets feed him 20 shots a game and feed fatty mcburger 8 shots a game and letss see what happens.

The team would suffer



he is just scoring a lot because he gets feeded a lot.

and i can guarantee you marc gasol would average a much better amount if feeded the same number of shots.

and that not even taking into account marc is a better passer and a better defender,

wich can also be said about bynum, jeffersonm duncan and pau gasol

randoph shoudl not have the smallest chance of making allstar just becaue he is scoring a falshy number

Z-Bo is taking less shots than ever before and producing more efficiently than ever before, the exact opposite would happen to Marc if he started taking more shots. Sadly hes not that good of an offensive force, lacks the overall range of Z-Bo and doesnt work hard enough for position. Z-Bo is the better player, Marc is a better defender and passer, but Z-Bo is a WAY better offensive player.

Lakersfan2483
01-19-2010, 06:07 PM
Dirk definitely should start and Duncan can play both center and power forward.

ManRam
01-19-2010, 06:08 PM
he is just scoring a lot because he gets feeded a lot.

and i can guarantee you marc gasol would average a much better amount if feeded the same number of shots.

I disagree. Marc's offensive game is very primitive. Randolph has always been a great offensive players.

It doesn't matter either way. Randolph is having the better year. Therefore, he should be an all-star. It's not about potential or theoretical thought processes.

MackSnackWrap
01-19-2010, 06:09 PM
sad to see garnett starting over bosh

Avenged
01-19-2010, 06:11 PM
Zach Randolph??

Dirk should definitely be starting this years all star game.

FOBolous
01-19-2010, 06:13 PM
Zach Randolph??

Dirk should definitely be starting this years all star game.

can you people read his explanation as to why he picked Zach Randolph before complaining?

but yeea...i agree with you...i would pick Dirk over Duncan

Lakersfan2483
01-19-2010, 06:13 PM
Zach Randolph??

Dirk should definitely be starting this years all star game.

Agreed, Dirk has been impressive this year, he's earned a starting spot without question.

Chronz
01-19-2010, 06:15 PM
PS Its Hollinegrs list not ESPN's

Good to see hes on the Points-Swings-Bigs argument. **** trad. positions, why do we still use them?

td0tsfinest
01-19-2010, 06:43 PM
better list compared to who's actually going to be voted in.

Gators123
01-19-2010, 06:51 PM
I agree with the East, not the West.

Baller1
01-19-2010, 07:52 PM
I think its a joke that they have Melo over Durant. Melo is having an MVP type season.

And Durant isn't?

FOBolous
01-19-2010, 08:11 PM
I think its a joke that they have Melo over Durant. Melo is having an MVP type season.

the writer explained why. Durant and Melo have practically identical stats with 'melo averaging .9 pts more and Durant averaging .7 more rebounds. The reason why he chose Durant over Melo is because Durant's been healthier than Melo this season and played more games than Melo so he used health/#s of games played as the tie breaker.

TheHoopsProphet
01-19-2010, 08:25 PM
Zach Randolph???

Is this serious here?

Its weird how the exact same people who complain about reputation being precedent in determining all-stars yet on the very same token, follow the same cognitive pattern. Not only is there no one legitimately contending as an all-star center, ZBO is well-deserved. I, for once, have no complaints with ESPNs opinion.

goose15
01-19-2010, 08:29 PM
Kaman > Randolph

BKdoubleStacker
01-19-2010, 09:10 PM
randolph is a 20 and 11 guy.

he may not be a good defender but he is def deserving.

Hellcrooner
01-19-2010, 09:31 PM
and we are forgtting omething defnitive
Zach at 6, 8 has not played a single minute as center in he damm season.


i have the solution lets start mello or durant at cetner so they have a palce while we are at it.

Hellcrooner
01-19-2010, 09:34 PM
West

Nash/ Deron ( since paul is been injured too long)

KObe/ Roy / TYREKE EVANS

Melo/Durant

Dirk/Pau

Duncan/Kaman/Bynum

Fixed

JJ_JKidd
01-19-2010, 10:15 PM
(yawn PER) (yawn PER) Honestly, do you guys take this Hollinger seriously?

ManRam
01-19-2010, 10:18 PM
(yawn PER) (yawn PER) Honestly, do you guys take this seriously?

Yes. I think PER is a great stat. Just look at the guys in the top 10.

LeBron, Duncan, Wade, Bosh, Paul, Melo, Durant, Nash, Oden and Kobe.

9 out of 10 of those guys are top 10 players this year (Dirk over Oden). It's all about productions, the essence of basketball.

momoneyyyy
01-19-2010, 10:35 PM
how is drik not a starter????
he should definetly be 1..

_KB24_
01-19-2010, 10:37 PM
It's Hollinger. The guy has one of the worst basketball minds in the world.

godolphins
01-19-2010, 10:58 PM
Zach Randolph:facepalm: