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Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 12:24 AM
Last rush and thoughts?

www.nba.com

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 12:26 AM
Bulls haters in 5...4...3...2...1 GO!

RadiantShot
01-16-2010, 12:27 AM
Derrick Rose, yes. Joakim Noah, not yet.

black1605
01-16-2010, 12:27 AM
Gerald Wallace

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 12:29 AM
Joakim Noah deserves it more than Rose statisitcally. Rose also deserves it.

asandhu23
01-16-2010, 12:29 AM
Not a Bulls hater but no they don't. If Monta can't get in, Derrick Rose shouldn't be mentioned at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3456 ( Rose )

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751 ( Ellis )

kblo247
01-16-2010, 12:30 AM
Only 1 deserves to go because of team record and that 1 is Noah as he is a double, double machine.

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 12:30 AM
I can't see any chance of Noah making it. Let's put it this way, there has been no backup center since Howard has made the team, and I doubt it will change anytime soon (except maybe in a year or 2 with Brook). In the mean time , we will probably see Bosh as the "center".
Noah has been very good and I love watching him, but sadly I can't see him making it. Right now he is a good defender, but he has to become an elite defender to make it.

Bulls_fan90
01-16-2010, 12:31 AM
Bulls haters in 5...4...3...2...1 GO!

Derrick Rose is a bust. Beasley > Rose.

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 12:32 AM
Not a Bulls hater but no they don't. If Monta can't get in, Derrick Rose shouldn't be mentioned at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3456 ( Rose )

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751 ( Ellis )

You can't really compare the two seeeing as the Western guards are MUCH, MUCH better. I think after tonight's game, Rose will make it, I was skeptical before that, but after tonight, I can't possibly see a coach say no. Especially considering his ankle hurt him early on and he has been on a tear the last 20-25 games.

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 12:32 AM
Not a Bulls hater but no they don't. If Monta can't get in, Derrick Rose should be mentioned at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=3456 ( Rose )

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751 ( Ellis )
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Theyre in different conferences that shouldnt even be an argument. This isnt the all nba team. This is the eastern all star team.

asandhu23
01-16-2010, 12:33 AM
Not a Bulls hater but no they don't. If Monta can't get in, Derrick Rose should be mentioned at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=3456 ( Rose )

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751 ( Ellis )
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Theyre in different conferences that shouldnt even be an argument. This isnt the all nba team. This is the eastern all star team.

I know they are in different conferences. I am just saying Rose doesn't have all star numbers.

Cash
01-16-2010, 12:34 AM
Rose yes, due to the lack of PG's in the east. Noah, not yet, but he will get there.

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 12:36 AM
ok you edited your post i see where your coming from

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 12:36 AM
I know they are in different conferences. I am just saying Rose doesn't have all star numbers.

I agree with you, but again, if you switch Monta with Rose, Monta is an obvious allstar in the East. And Rose wouldn't be anywhere close on the West. East's pgs are that bad compared to west.

asandhu23
01-16-2010, 12:37 AM
ok whats your point than. Monta ellis getting in or not is completely irrelevant to Dericks situation.

Monta is having a great year and deserves the consideration but it is still mute in this thread.

Read the edit

asian_sensation
01-16-2010, 12:38 AM
Derrick Rose is a bust. Beasley > Rose.

:facepalm: rose has done a lot for the bulls which is more than i can say for beasley. dude seriously and ur username is bulls_fan :facepalm:

LanceUpperCut
01-16-2010, 12:39 AM
Rose maybe but no way Noah, I'll say his rebounding is on an all-star level but everything else not even close.

Gup
01-16-2010, 12:40 AM
Rose "maybe" Due to the simple fact- The East have no real superstar PG!
I'll show you the "best" PG in the East, its pretty bad:

1.Rondo
2.Mo Williams
3.Brandon Jennings
4.Rodney Stuckey
5.Jameer Nelson
6.Allen Iverson - sadly Iverson will probably get voted in as the starter.

Rose would be either #2 or 3 on this list behind Rondo and/or Mo Williams.


As for Joakim Noah- Not a chance of being on the All star team.
Top centre's in the East

1.D Howard
2.Brook Lopez
3.David Lee
4.Andrea Bargnani
5.Andrew Bogut
6. Maybe Noah (maybe)

asandhu23
01-16-2010, 12:40 AM
:facepalm: rose has done a lot for the bulls which is more than i can say for beasley. dude seriously and ur username is bulls_fan :facepalm:

that doesn't mean he has to be a homer...

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 12:40 AM
:facepalm: rose has done a lot for the bulls which is more than i can say for beasley. dude seriously and ur username is bulls_fan :facepalm:

I think he was being sarcastic...

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 12:44 AM
Not a Bulls hater but no they don't. If Monta can't get in, Derrick Rose shouldn't be mentioned at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3456 ( Rose )

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751 ( Ellis )

You don't think Rose would eclipse Monta's numbers if they switched roles?

There are a ton of great guards in the West compared to the East. By logic, you need to put up better numbers to be an all-star guard in the West than in the East, at least this season.

Who do you leave off for Monta? Kobe, Roy, Deron, CP3, Nash, Billups, BDiddy, Tyreke? Because you can make a case for everyone of those guys being better than Monta and their teams all have better records.

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 12:45 AM
I agree with you, but again, if you switch Monta with Rose, Monta is an obvious allstar in the East. And Rose wouldn't be anywhere close on the West. East's pgs are that bad compared to west.

I think Rose would fit in very well and put up GREAT numbers in the west. Rose is an elite point guard regardless of the conference. He doesnt have a great team supporting him and teams focus directly on him every night. Roses game is not very complicated, he either drives or takes a mid range jump shot but NO ONE can shut him down so far. West or East. This upcoming west coast trip will be crucial in the truth of my point. If the west shuts him down than i will shut up.

Bulls_fan90
01-16-2010, 12:46 AM
:facepalm: rose has done a lot for the bulls which is more than i can say for beasley. dude seriously and ur username is bulls_fan :facepalm:
Sar⋅cas⋅tic–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or characterized by sarcasm: a sarcastic reply.
2. using or given to the use of sarcasm: to be sarcastic about ambition.
:facepalm:

that doesn't mean he has to be a homer...

Im not a homer. But in that case i was just messing around. On Ellis, i do think he should be under serious consideration for an All-star spot BUT two things work against him

- Team record
- And popularity (had he played in a bigger city i'd say he'd be an All-star this year)

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 12:46 AM
Rose "maybe" Due to the simple fact- The East have no real superstar PG!
I'll show you the "best" PG in the East, its pretty bad:

1.Rondo
2.Mo Williams
3.Brandon Jennings
4.Rodney Stuckey
5.Jameer Nelson
6.Allen Iverson - sadly Iverson will probably get voted in as the starter.

Rose would be either #2 or 3 on this list behind Rondo and/or Mo Williams.


As for Joakim Noah- Not a chance of being on the All star team.
Top centre's in the East

1.D Howard
2.Brook Lopez
3.David Lee
4.Andrea Bargnani
5.Andrew Bogut
6. Maybe Noah (maybe)

I would say:

1. Howard
2. Brook
3. Bogut
4. Horford
5. Noah
6. Lee

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 12:47 AM
You don't think Rose would eclipse Monta's numbers if they switched roles?



What? There are a ton of great guards in the West compared to the East. By logic, you need to put up better numbers to be an all-star guard in the West than in the East, at least this season.

Who do you leave off for Monta? Kobe, Roy, Deron, CP3, Nash, Billups, BDiddy, Tyreke? Because you can make a case for everyone of those guys being better than Monta and their teams all have better records.

My point was theres no reason to compare Rose to the west because im talking about the eastern conference all star team. The great guards in the west are irrelevant to Derick Rose making the east all star team.

SteveNash
01-16-2010, 12:48 AM
In no way do they deserve to go.

Gators123
01-16-2010, 12:49 AM
Where does Rose rank in the all star voting?

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 12:50 AM
My point was theres no reason to compare Rose to the west because im talking about the eastern conference all star team. The great guards in the west are irrelevant to Derick Rose making the east all star team.

My bad, I didn't realize you were quoting Ashandu. I agree completely.

Gibby
01-16-2010, 12:52 AM
Maybe Rose but dont think Noah will make it.

For reserves at PG, i have Rondo ahead of Rose and maybe Mo William depending on how much coaches value team record.

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 12:52 AM
In no way do they deserve to go.

Why?

I think there's a case against them and don't expect either to make it. I thing they have done enough to deserve it, a case can be made for both guys to make the reserves.

Cubsfan365
01-16-2010, 12:53 AM
In no way do they deserve to go.
False

PLAYERS FAN
01-16-2010, 12:53 AM
Gerald Wallace

Why Stephen Jackson get no luv:shrug:

black1605
01-16-2010, 12:55 AM
Both!

mavwar53
01-16-2010, 12:55 AM
noah yes

rose no

Rose hasn't played well untill the last 2-3 weeks

mikantsass
01-16-2010, 12:56 AM
This thread was clearly created after an OT win vs the WIZARDS.... 1 good game does not constitute all star status. Rose has been playing great lately but just because he has 2 good weeks doesnt mean he should be on the all star team. As much as I hate Noah, he is having a great year but still does not deserve a spot over Brook, Howard, Horford, Lee etc..

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 12:57 AM
Noah second in the league in rebounding 12.2 and 1 of 8 players in the NBA averaging a double double. He deserves CONSIDERATION at least. He is not a no way.

Cubsfan365
01-16-2010, 12:58 AM
noah yes

rose no

Rose hasn't played well untill the last 2-3 weeks
I'm pretty sure he averaged 20 ppg and 6 apg in December, so that is just not true.

SteveNash
01-16-2010, 12:59 AM
Why?

I think there's a case against them and don't expect either to make it. I thing they have done enough to deserve it, a case can be made for both guys to make the reserves.

They're under .500 in a crappy conference and neither of them have been all that great.

Cubsfan365
01-16-2010, 12:59 AM
This thread was clearly created after an OT win vs the WIZARDS.... 1 good game does not constitute all star status. Rose has been playing great lately but just because he has 2 good weeks doesnt mean he should be on the all star team. As much as I hate Noah, he is having a great year but still does not deserve a spot over Brook, Howard, Horford, Lee etc..
It hasn't been two good weeks. Where do you guys get your facts?

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 12:59 AM
This thread was clearly created after an OT win vs the WIZARDS.... 1 good game does not constitute all star status. Rose has been playing great lately but just because he has 2 good weeks doesnt mean he should be on the all star team. As much as I hate Noah, he is having a great year but still does not deserve a spot over Brook, Howard, Horford, Lee etc..

Rose also made Rondo look like a fool on Thursday night and rondo is a top candidate for the all star team. Rondo played back to back games is no excuse. Drose played back to back games and put up 37 on a crappy team but still.

theBaseballman
01-16-2010, 12:59 AM
Last rush and thoughts?

www.nba.com

nope

Cubsfan365
01-16-2010, 01:01 AM
nope
Good reasoning

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 01:04 AM
They're under .500 in a crappy conference and neither of them have been all that great.

It's all relative. The Eastern Conference isn't good, so you are going to have some guys get in with lower numbers. Rose is right on par with Mo Williams for second PG spot. Noah, I'd say is the 4th or 5th center so I doubt he makes it, but that's because it's an usually deep time for centers in the East with a ton of young talent.

bostncelts34
01-16-2010, 01:06 AM
If either one deserves to go..its Noah..but not enough room for him IMO.

RaptorizedKevin
01-16-2010, 01:09 AM
one solid win, with good effort from both players, doesnt make them an all stars. i think noah should be an all star though. as soon as he can elevate his offensive game, hes got my vote.

effen5
01-16-2010, 01:10 AM
This thread was clearly created after an OT win vs the WIZARDS.... 1 good game does not constitute all star status. Rose has been playing great lately but just because he has 2 good weeks doesnt mean he should be on the all star team. As much as I hate Noah, he is having a great year but still does not deserve a spot over Brook, Howard, Horford, Lee etc..

2 weeks? Rose has stepped it up like CRAZY since the Lakers game in November.

I love all the hate on Rose because he literally has no all stars on this team and puts up good numbers now but everyone praises Rondo but he plays with 3 all stars....


Love it.

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 01:12 AM
one solid win, with good effort from both players, doesnt make them an all stars. i think noah should be an all star though. as soon as he can elevate his offensive game, hes got my vote.



Do you even watch basketball? NO **** one solid win doesnt make someone an all star. Noah has had multiple 20+ rebounding games. Rose has been very consistant and continues to evolve and elevate his game. Player of the month award with Durant. Averaging 20 ppg in Decemeber and the intangibles which i know is hard to judge for all star teams.

RocketsRule
01-16-2010, 01:12 AM
Both have a legitimate chance to make it, IMO. Rose would have to outbeat Rajon Rondo and Mo Williams to obtain a spot, while Noah is competing with David Lee and a few others for the reserve center spot.

It's definitely plausible.

tjlipford
01-16-2010, 01:13 AM
I like Noah and Rose. Rose will be an all star soon, but Noah will have to elevate his offensive game to become an all star. right now though its just not happening.

SteveNash
01-16-2010, 01:15 AM
It's all relative. The Eastern Conference isn't good, so you are going to have some guys get in with lower numbers. Rose is right on par with Mo Williams for second PG spot. Noah, I'd say is the 4th or 5th center so I doubt he makes it, but that's because it's an usually deep time for centers in the East with a ton of young talent.

Well it's broken down by guard not separated by PG and SG, so you got AI, Rondo and Mo ahead of Rose. I think Noah has a better chance since its only C's.

JordansBulls
01-16-2010, 01:17 AM
If we were like 24 and 14 then yes.

Chicagofan911x
01-16-2010, 01:19 AM
Both have a legitimate chance to make it, IMO. Rose would have to outbeat Rajon Rondo and Mo Williams to obtain a spot, while Noah is competing with David Lee and a few others for the reserve center spot.

It's definitely plausible.

agreed

tjlipford
01-16-2010, 01:26 AM
I really don't see two people from the Bulls going with a record of 18-20

BradyIsTheMan12
01-16-2010, 01:29 AM
Rose will be an All Star at some point but I wouldn't say this year.

C_A_S_H
01-16-2010, 01:38 AM
They should be in there
but who would they be in there for

Joakim Noah has to go up against bosh,david lee, & brook lopez
and Derrick Rose has to go up against Rondo, Mo Will
which are all more Der severing

td0tsfinest
01-16-2010, 01:45 AM
I've always been against having two Allstars for an under .500 team.

Trouble87
01-16-2010, 01:53 AM
too early in each of their respective careers and for a single team to have 2 players selected to the all-star team I would hope they would have a better record than 18-20

mikantsass
01-16-2010, 01:55 AM
2 weeks? Rose has stepped it up like CRAZY since the Lakers game in November.

I love all the hate on Rose because he literally has no all stars on this team and puts up good numbers now but everyone praises Rondo but he plays with 3 all stars....


Love it.

If 18 points, 5 assists, and 3 reb per game makes the all star team, then pencil in Aaron Brooks

D1JM
01-16-2010, 02:03 AM
If 18 points, 5 assists, and 3 reb per game makes the all star team, then pencil in Aaron Brooks

where the **** did you get those stats?

loufor2
01-16-2010, 02:06 AM
where the **** did you get those stats?

Those aren't THAT far off. Calm down crazy Bulls fan, we don't need you cursing over this.

Stunner
01-16-2010, 02:07 AM
Rose 37, 9, and 6 tonight and he has been averaging 24 points 4 boards and 7 assist and almost a steal a game since Dec. if that isnt a late Allstar push I dont know what is. Right now Rose is the second best PG in the East behind Rondo.

D1JM
01-16-2010, 02:19 AM
Rose 37, 9, and 6 tonight and he has been averaging 24 points 4 boards and 7 assist and almost a steal a game since Dec. if that isnt a late Allstar push I dont know what is. Right now Rose is the second best PG in the East behind Rondo.

he skooled rondo on thursday. I got tired of hearing all those excuses that the celtics were tired blah blah blah and that they dont have their barkin garnett.

lakerboy
01-16-2010, 02:20 AM
Wow, you guys are under .500 and you want 2 players on the ASG.

That's messed up. We're the best team in the league, and I'm worried Pau Gasol might not even make the ASG.

Also, Derrick Rose has no place in the game. Deron hasn't even been there yet.

D1JM
01-16-2010, 02:25 AM
Wow, you guys are under .500 and you want 2 players on the ASG.

That's messed up. We're the best team in the league, and I'm worried Pau Gasol might not even make the ASG.

Also, Derrick Rose has no place in the game. Deron hasn't even been there yet.

Deron? Isnt he a different division?

D1JM
01-16-2010, 02:27 AM
I just want to start a riot lol

_KB24_
01-16-2010, 02:29 AM
There's a good 30-35 deserving players. Do they all get in? Stop with these stupid threads.

D1JM
01-16-2010, 02:31 AM
There's a good 30-35 deserving players. Do they all get in? Stop with these stupid threads.

the machine deserves in because he most probably banged sharapova :clap:

Driven
01-16-2010, 02:35 AM
where the **** did you get those stats?
Yahoo?

It's actually 19 points, 5 assists and 2.5 rebounds per game. So it's virtually the same.

nipo10847
01-16-2010, 02:36 AM
None. Not even close.

THE MTL
01-16-2010, 02:37 AM
Not a Bull hater but for a really underachieving team with the Bulls record, talking about they should have TWO allstars is just plain crazy. How the hell do the Bulls get two allstars. NOT A CHANCE!

And if it comes between Rondo and Rose......Rondo is def. getting it. He has been the best player on the best team in the East

Chacarron
01-16-2010, 02:39 AM
Noah deserves it: 12 rebounds per game, are you kidding me????

clutchski
01-16-2010, 02:42 AM
There's a good 30-35 deserving players. Do they all get in? Stop with these stupid threads.

I 100% agree with this. Almost every team's fans feel they have another player 'deserving' an all-star spot. Including..apparently..at least one Chicago fan with Rose and Noah.

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 02:42 AM
Yahoo?

It's actually 19 points, 5 assists and 2.5 rebounds per game. So it's virtually the same.

19.0 PPG, 6.0 APG, 3.8 RPG

but whatever

THE MTL
01-16-2010, 02:42 AM
Noah deserves it: 12 rebounds per game, are you kidding me????

OMG! Kevin Love 12.5 rebounds per game in only 31 min (two min less than NOah). He must deserve it too!

Driven
01-16-2010, 02:44 AM
19.0 PPG, 6.0 APG, 3.8 RPG

but whatever
Except your stats are wrong.

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 02:50 AM
Except your stats are wrong.

Except, no they aren't.

Going into tonight's game: 18.5/6/3.6

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4387
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3456

After tonight's game (37/6/9): 19.0 PPG, 6.0 APG, 3.8 RPG

Driven
01-16-2010, 02:51 AM
Except, no they aren't.

Going into tonight's game: 18.5/6/3.6

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4387
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3456

After tonight's game (37/6/9): 19.0 PPG, 6.0 APG, 3.8 RPG
Except, you got the wrong player.

abe_froman
01-16-2010, 02:55 AM
Except, no they aren't.

Going into tonight's game: 18.5/6/3.6

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4387
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3456

After tonight's game (37/6/9): 19.0 PPG, 6.0 APG, 3.8 RPG

he's talking about aaron brooks

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 02:56 AM
Except, you got the wrong player.

From your posts you did not make it clear, you quoted a post listing Rose's stats with different stats that must have been in reference to AB.

Brooks is in the Western Conference, his numbers are irrelevant when talking about Rose's all-star chances.

bears88
01-16-2010, 03:00 AM
look i really have no comment on all of this but I am one of the biggest D Rose fan aound this fourm I will have to say this D Rose even thou in the past weeks he has been putting all-star numbers am going to say he will be an all star but not this year maybe next year or the year after that he is still young he will have plenty of chances of making an all star so dont except him to make an all star team in his 2nd year but again he will be in the future.And as for Noah what can you say about him he is one of the suprises of the league if he keeps getting double doubles he will win as the most imporved player of the year and he will have a hard time surpassing other centers also as i said for Rose Noah will make the All-star team but not this year also is he deserving of it yes but thers no way he or rose makes it with the record of the Bulls and other players that are ahead of them. This thread should be closed is becasue its not doing nothing but adding fuel to the fire by creating alot of fights and arguments

D1JM
01-16-2010, 03:23 AM
Yahoo?

It's actually 19 points, 5 assists and 2.5 rebounds per game. So it's virtually the same.

yahoo? you talking about the last two weeks, whole entire season ?

nitric
01-16-2010, 03:37 AM
Why are people bringing up players from the West? They are irrelevant in a topic related to the Eastern All Stars. Obviously Rose right now has no chance in the West but he's basically been one of the best PG in the East for more then a month now. This little emergence of his hasn't been recent, it's been ongoing since mid November. I don't see Noah making it because Bogut and Lee are having better years offensively. Rose I think should make it but I wouldn't be surprised if Mo Williams(who has been playing pretty mediocre for a few weeks now) makes it over Rose.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Rose wins another Player of the Week award
25.3pts 6.3asts 6.3rebs 48%fg 3-0 week
:D

ChiSox219
01-16-2010, 03:49 AM
Why are people bringing up players from the West? They are irrelevant in a topic related to the Eastern All Stars. Obviously Rose right now has no chance in the West but he's basically been one of the best PG in the East for more then a month now. This little emergence of his hasn't been recent, it's been ongoing since mid November. I don't see Noah making it because Bogut and Lee are having better years offensively. Rose I think should make it but I wouldn't be surprised if Mo Williams(who has been playing pretty mediocre for a few weeks now) makes it over Rose.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Rose wins another Player of the Week award
25.3pts 6.3asts 6.3rebs 48%fg 3-0 week
:D

Sick.

ldc62
01-16-2010, 03:50 AM
Derrick Rose is my fav. PG, but his stats this year just aren't as impressive as they should be. Also the Bulls are a few games under .500 so ... No.

itsripcity32
01-16-2010, 03:55 AM
What A HOMER. lolL

itsripcity32
01-16-2010, 04:04 AM
[QUOTE=nitric;11998484]Why are people bringing up players from the West? They are irrelevant in a topic related to the Eastern All Stars. Obviously Rose right now has no chance in the West but he's basically been one of the best PG in the East for more then a month now. This little emergence of his hasn't been recent, it's been ongoing since mid November. I don't see Noah making it because Bogut and Lee are having better years offensively. Rose I think should make it but I wouldn't be surprised if Mo Williams(who has been playing pretty mediocre for a few weeks now) makes it over Rose.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Rose wins another Player of the Week award
25.3pts 6.3asts 6.3rebs 48%fg 3-0 week
:facepalm:

GiantMetKnick
01-16-2010, 04:06 AM
No way for either of them.... the competition is too strong.

knicks09
01-16-2010, 01:10 PM
Joakim Noah<<<<<< David Lee

Nighthawk
01-16-2010, 01:21 PM
ROSE DESERVES NOTHING.

Rondo should be in their before Rose. Noah deserves a nod.

Mr.WhiteSox
01-16-2010, 01:27 PM
"ROSE DESERVES NOTHING.

Rondo should be in their before Rose. Noah deserves a nod. "

A NIGHTHAWK, cute name you ****in ******. i hope you saw that 37 points last night and a complete domination in 2OT. Rondo has ****ing pierce, allen, and garnett around him. if rose was in rondo's shoes he would get 24pts, 13ast. a night. or how bout this...rondo and rose can have a brawl for the spot. see if rondos mini testicals can fight against a man.

Ray_R
01-16-2010, 01:29 PM
Not a Bulls hater but no they don't. If Monta can't get in, Derrick Rose shouldn't be mentioned at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3456 ( Rose )

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751 ( Ellis )

Monta doesnt get it becuase it the west there is alot of talent there maybe if he comes to and east team he would get in.


Rose maybe not as in votes but coachs decision. Even though i hate ROndo i believe he hods aspot over rose.


As for Noah hhe should come in as coachs decision.. but i still hjate he wasnt in the orginal ballotover Brad Miller

Ray_R
01-16-2010, 01:32 PM
Joakim Noah<<<<<< David Lee

Every one in Knicks Uniform<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Derrick Rose

theBaseballman
01-16-2010, 01:36 PM
"ROSE DESERVES NOTHING.

Rondo should be in their before Rose. Noah deserves a nod. "

A NIGHTHAWK, cute name you ****in ******. i hope you saw that 37 points last night and a complete domination in 2OT. Rondo has ****ing pierce, allen, and garnett around him. if rose was in rondo's shoes he would get 24pts, 13ast. a night. or how bout this...rondo and rose can have a brawl for the spot. see if rondos mini testicals can fight against a man.

woa woa woa easy there man

thawv
01-16-2010, 01:37 PM
Last rush and thoughts?

www.nba.com

:confused:

Nighthawk
01-16-2010, 01:43 PM
"ROSE DESERVES NOTHING.

Rondo should be in their before Rose. Noah deserves a nod. "

A NIGHTHAWK, cute name you ****in ******. i hope you saw that 37 points last night and a complete domination in 2OT. Rondo has ****ing pierce, allen, and garnett around him. if rose was in rondo's shoes he would get 24pts, 13ast. a night. or how bout this...rondo and rose can have a brawl for the spot. see if rondos mini testicals can fight against a man.

Whataya Know....after all this Rondo still deserves it more.. Chicago is a joke of a team an this savior has done nothing.

Celtics have had Kg, Baby, Daniels, and Pierce go down with injuries. And Rondo has been their the whole time. Rondo makes the C's go.

jim51990
01-16-2010, 01:45 PM
no they dont

nitric
01-16-2010, 01:47 PM
[QUOTE=nitric;11998484]Why are people bringing up players from the West? They are irrelevant in a topic related to the Eastern All Stars. Obviously Rose right now has no chance in the West but he's basically been one of the best PG in the East for more then a month now. This little emergence of his hasn't been recent, it's been ongoing since mid November. I don't see Noah making it because Bogut and Lee are having better years offensively. Rose I think should make it but I wouldn't be surprised if Mo Williams(who has been playing pretty mediocre for a few weeks now) makes it over Rose.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Rose wins another Player of the Week award
25.3pts 6.3asts 6.3rebs 48%fg 3-0 week
:facepalm:

May I know your Top 3 PG in the East?

Cubs Win
01-16-2010, 01:51 PM
Here's D-Rose by month:
October: (2 games) 11.5 points; 4.5 assists; 3.5 rebounds; 45% shooting
November: (13 games) 16.2 points; 5.3 assists; 2.9 rebounds; 46.4% shooting
December: (15 games) 20.4 points; 6.1 assists; 3.8 rebounds; 45% shooting
January: (8 games so far) 22.8 points; 7.3 assists; 5.0 rebounds; 50.6% shooting

So for those who seem to deny the ankle injury's effect, well you're clearly mistaken.

Also, how do some people even argue that Mo William's 16.7/5/3.2 is better than Rose's 19/6/3.7? I understand how some can misconceive Rondo's stats because they don't look into the fact he's playing with 3 HoFers, but I'd take Rose over Rondo as well.

smith&wesson
01-16-2010, 01:56 PM
bargs >> noah

rose, rondo, devon harris. . one of the should make it over iverson.

Tony_Starks
01-16-2010, 01:57 PM
No they don't. I'd give those spots to Rondo and Josh Smith...... and I hate the Celtics!

nitric
01-16-2010, 02:03 PM
bargs >> noah

rose, rondo, devon harris. . one of the should make it over iverson.

This is when I sometimes question some peoples knowledge in basketball. Devin Harris, really? He's been mediocre at best this season. Basically Mo Williams numbers with abysmal shooting. 38% IIRC

SB75
01-16-2010, 02:03 PM
I love Rose and would love to have him on my team, but their are to many guards ahead of him. AI and Wade are in. Johnson, Rondo and Gilbert ( if not suspended) are virtual locks so where does Rose fit in. If Rose continues his path he should be in next year.

I have no idea how Noah was included in this. He is a great defensive player and active on the boards. But as far as honoring him as an All-Star I can't see it. He's just not their yet with a very good center corp in the east. Howard is in, Horford should be in, David Lee should be in. I just can't see a place for Noah, With those 3 and a rapidly improving Lopez it's going to be hard for him ever to make it at center in the east.

HouRealCoach
01-16-2010, 02:10 PM
Not a Bulls hater but no they don't. If Monta can't get in, Derrick Rose shouldn't be mentioned at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3456 ( Rose )

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2751 ( Ellis )

Ellis is facing Nash, D-Will, CP3, Billups, Kobe, Roy, etc....

Rose deserves to but NO WAY IN HELL should Noah make it over Bogut, Lopez, Howard, Bosh, Lee, Horford, etc.

_Supreme_
01-16-2010, 02:11 PM
no they dont

^ What he said.

MJ-BULLS
01-16-2010, 02:14 PM
Here's D-Rose by month:
October: (2 games) 11.5 points; 4.5 assists; 3.5 rebounds; 45% shooting
November: (13 games) 16.2 points; 5.3 assists; 2.9 rebounds; 46.4% shooting
December: (15 games) 20.4 points; 6.1 assists; 3.8 rebounds; 45% shooting
January: (8 games so far) 22.8 points; 7.3 assists; 5.0 rebounds; 50.6% shooting

So for those who seem to deny the ankle injury's effect, well you're clearly mistaken.

Also, how do some people even argue that Mo William's 16.7/5/3.2 is better than Rose's 19/6/3.7? I understand how some can misconceive Rondo's stats because they don't look into the fact he's playing with 3 HoFers, but I'd take Rose over Rondo as well.

yup, rose does deserve some all star recognition now that his stats have gone up every month, noah also deserves some recognition he has been balling and is a double double machine, but if he doesn't make it then he certainly should win the most improve player.

effen5
01-16-2010, 02:16 PM
Whataya Know....after all this Rondo still deserves it more.. Chicago is a joke of a team an this savior has done nothing.

Celtics have had Kg, Baby, Daniels, and Pierce go down with injuries. And Rondo has been their the whole time. Rondo makes the C's go.

lol and what was Boston without Garnett and Allen? A 20 win team? I don't remember Rondo making the Celtics go without Garnett and Allen.....but I do remember a 18 game losing streak.


Yet Rose makes the Bulls go with ZERO All Stars, a joke of a coach, and no shooters.


Boston Celtic fans is the definition of band wagon jumpers.

Southsideheat
01-16-2010, 02:20 PM
i guess people still care about all-star games.:shrug:

Chacarron
01-16-2010, 02:27 PM
OMG! Kevin Love 12.5 rebounds per game in only 31 min (two min less than NOah). He must deserve it too!

I just like Noah too much because he is helping my fantasy team. :D

Chronz
01-16-2010, 02:31 PM
"ROSE DESERVES NOTHING.

Rondo should be in their before Rose. Noah deserves a nod. "

A NIGHTHAWK, cute name you ****in ******. i hope you saw that 37 points last night and a complete domination in 2OT. Rondo has ****ing pierce, allen, and garnett around him. if rose was in rondo's shoes he would get 24pts, 13ast. a night. or how bout this...rondo and rose can have a brawl for the spot. see if rondos mini testicals can fight against a man.

Its statements like these that keep me from trusting Chi town fans

NYKnicks4511
01-16-2010, 02:34 PM
Derrick Rose will be an All Star in the future, I've got much love for him but I really don't think he deserves it this year simply because of inconsistency early on in the year and this year he was really supposed to explode - hasn't really done that.

Noah I can say will not be an All Star (in the foreseeable future as well IMO). His numbers simply aren't good enough and he plays on a sub par team as well.
11 points and 12 boards and a couple blocks a game is nice work, but there are guys like David Lee, Brook Lopez, Al Horford, who outshine Noah.

Though Lopez and Lee may play on sub .500 teams as well, their numbers outshine Noah's, and Horford puts the work in on a stacked young team.

Maybe for D-Rose, heck no to Noah.

mike_noodles
01-16-2010, 02:35 PM
Based on the injuries and other incidents, the top 5 PGs in the east (this season only) have got to be Rondo, Rose, Williams, Jennings and Duhon. But the east can use Wade, LeBron or Joe Johnson at the point guard also. All that being said, I think Rose will be invited by the coaches as the backup PG.

Noah, I don't think will get the nod this year. Forwards in the east are too plentiful right now, KG, Bosh, LBJ, Jamison, J Smith, Pierce, G Wallace, A Iguodala. But with a couple of injuries and some good luck he might sneak in.

xxcubs22xx
01-16-2010, 02:36 PM
Noah is beastin' it this year. Its a shame he probably won't make the all star team...he has been a workhorse this year and the cornerstone for the bulls this year.

Rose is better then Ellis...Their stats are identical except rose doesn't get as many minutes.

Rose and Noah have put the bulls on their shoulders this year. Now that everybody else is starting to emerge, for example salmons has turned it up offensively, especially from downtown, and the rest of the team is stepping it up now, but too little too late. A bad team record does nothing but destroy chances of getting into the all star game.

ANd there are plenty ahead in the race over Noah.

Aussy4GM
01-16-2010, 02:43 PM
Derrick Rose, yes. Joakim Noah, not yet.

Joakim Noah = #2 In Rebounds.

nitric
01-16-2010, 02:49 PM
I love Rose and would love to have him on my team, but their are to many guards ahead of him. AI and Wade are in. Johnson, Rondo and Gilbert ( if not suspended) are virtual locks so where does Rose fit in. If Rose continues his path he should be in next year.

I have no idea how Noah was included in this. He is a great defensive player and active on the boards. But as far as honoring him as an All-Star I can't see it. He's just not their yet with a very good center corp in the east. Howard is in, Horford should be in, David Lee should be in. I just can't see a place for Noah, With those 3 and a rapidly improving Lopez it's going to be hard for him ever to make it at center in the east.

No way Arenas even gets near the ASG. AI will probably miss due to injury so I think Rose has a good shot at making it.

SB75
01-16-2010, 03:06 PM
No way Arenas even gets near the ASG. AI will probably miss due to injury so I think Rose has a good shot at making it.

You may be right about GA. But he should be in do to his play. AI was voted in, so if theirs anyway he can play he will. If rose makes it as an alternet, that's fine. But trust me, he, nor his team, nor his peers look at it the same as making it straight out.

Don P.Belasario
01-16-2010, 03:09 PM
Noah yes, Rose no way... not yet anyways.

The Bulls sluggish start was mainly due to Roses early reeky play and he almost got Vinny fired. That being said he looks like he is rounding into form. If he played this way from the begginng of the season for sure, but he has been way too inconsistant. Hasn't been better than Mo Williams or Rondo (or even Nelson when hes been healthy) and I would rather see AI as the third stringer because it will probably be his last all star appearence and the future looks bright for D. Rose for making multiple appearences down the road. Not hating just dont think he has earned it quite yet.

You guys have a beast on your hands with Noah though. I really liked this kid when he was playing with Florida and its great to see him realizing his potential. For sure he should get the nod to play.

Driven
01-16-2010, 03:21 PM
yahoo? you talking about the last two weeks, whole entire season ?
Whole season. Not sure why you guys can't read what player we're talking about here.

nitric
01-16-2010, 03:28 PM
Noah yes, Rose no way... not yet anyways.

The Bulls sluggish start was mainly due to Roses early reeky play and he almost got Vinny fired. That being said he looks like he is rounding into form. If he played this way from the begginng of the season for sure, but he has been way too inconsistant. Hasn't been better than Mo Williams or Rondo (or even Nelson when hes been healthy) and I would rather see AI as the third stringer because it will probably be his last all star appearence and the future looks bright for D. Rose for making multiple appearences down the road. Not hating just dont think he has earned it quite yet.

You guys have a beast on your hands with Noah though. I really liked this kid when he was playing with Florida and its great to see him realizing his potential. For sure he should get the nod to play.
You basically made a case for yourself that you don't watch basketball

TEXASTITAN
01-16-2010, 03:32 PM
Face the facts the bulls are horrible.......Having said that NOBODY deserves to be an allstar.......

nitric
01-16-2010, 03:33 PM
And just for comparisons sake.

Mo Williams this month: 14/4/2 on 42% shooting (7 games)
Derrick Rose this month: 23/7/5 on 51% shooting (8 games)

Yes Mo is on a better team, but is the team better because of Mo? No. Derrick has helped his team and is single handedly taking over games. Rose should get the nod over Mo, IMO.

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 04:10 PM
Its statements like these that keep me from trusting Chi town fans

And it's statements like these that make me realize how arrogant you really are.
Not only that, but how dumb you have to be not to be able to differentiate between obvious homers, and fans that actually contribute intelligent points. I find amazing that you find the need to group a fanbase, without realizing that every fan base has homers.

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 04:12 PM
Face the facts the bulls are horrible.......Having said that NOBODY deserves to be an allstar.......

The terrific analysis and support behind this post has certainly convinced me. :rolleyes:

Nighthawk
01-16-2010, 04:20 PM
lol and what was Boston without Garnett and Allen? A 20 win team? I don't remember Rondo making the Celtics go without Garnett and Allen.....but I do remember a 18 game losing streak.


Yet Rose makes the Bulls go with ZERO All Stars, a joke of a coach, and no shooters.


Boston Celtic fans is the definition of band wagon jumpers.

Ive heard every player on the C's say as Rondo goes the team Goes.

And i was a fan of that 20 win season. I didnt jump on no bandwagon. Been a fan of the Celtics since i could wipe my own ***. Get out of here with ur nonsense

runforrestrunx9
01-16-2010, 04:30 PM
AI deserves it more than both:D

blams
01-16-2010, 04:46 PM
I agree with you, but again, if you switch Monta with Rose, Monta is an obvious allstar in the East. And Rose wouldn't be anywhere close on the West. East's pgs are that bad compared to west.

1) Monta Ellis played before the regular season
2) Monta Ellis wasn't hurt for much of the first month or so of the season.

Rose's stats have skyrocketed because he is healthy. His stats are all the more impressive, also, considering that Del Negro is his coach.

lakerfan 4 life
01-16-2010, 04:48 PM
NOOOOO!! they are both garbage they shouldnt even be considered!!! Haha jk jk yea i think they do. they are both having a great season despite the bulls record

Shammyguy3
01-16-2010, 04:51 PM
1) Monta Ellis played before the regular season
2) Monta Ellis wasn't hurt for much of the first month or so of the season.

Rose's stats have skyrocketed because he is healthy. His stats are all the more impressive, also, considering that Del Negro is his coach.
:nod:
:injury: is what was holding Rose back. I think he should be an all-star, but i doubt he gets in. However, I think if Rose doesn't make it then he'll use that as motivation...and come playoff time, he'll show that he deserved to be there.

JackB
01-16-2010, 04:58 PM
And Tracy McGrady does? The fans should NOT be voting. They should vote for the second team only. Too many good players get left off because of the fans stuffing the ballet box with players like T Mac. Same with baseball. The voting rules need to be changed.

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 05:06 PM
1) Monta Ellis played before the regular season
2) Monta Ellis wasn't hurt for much of the first month or so of the season.

Rose's stats have skyrocketed because he is healthy. His stats are all the more impressive, also, considering that Del Negro is his coach.

I don't disagree. But one deserves to be an allstar based on the WHOLE season. And overall, Ellis has played better.

USAF_AMMO
01-16-2010, 05:30 PM
As a long time Bulls fan I am just happy to have 2 players that we can even debate about being all stars. With a ton of spending money coming soon, the future is looking bright.

TheWatcher34
01-16-2010, 05:33 PM
next year

Gibby23
01-16-2010, 06:47 PM
Joakim Noah = #2 In Rebounds.

Because he has Taj Gibson starting next to him. Noah can't score, so he knows he better rebound if he is going to get a good sized contract.

effen5
01-16-2010, 07:48 PM
I see alot of similarities between noah and rodman

itsripcity32
01-16-2010, 08:21 PM
rondo> rose
jameer> rose
stuckey> rose
calderon > rose
a.i > rose
chalmers> rose
jennings > rose
harris > rose
felton > rose
gillbert in prison > rose
mo > rose
duhon > rose

daleja424
01-16-2010, 08:24 PM
neither is an all-star. Rose is close and I would have no problem if he DID make it I just don't think he will. Noah on the other hand is a 11 and 12 guy...not even in the right ball park to make the all-star game...

itsripcity32
01-16-2010, 08:25 PM
I see alot of similarities between noah and rodman

except noah is so ugly

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 10:25 PM
except noah is so ugly

Wow, so you care what a player looks like....
And because you know, Rodman was SUCH a looker.


rondo> rose
jameer> rose
stuckey> rose
calderon > rose
a.i > rose
chalmers> rose
jennings > rose
harris > rose
felton > rose
gillbert in prison > rose
mo > rose
duhon > rose

:laugh2:
Haters keep on hating.

ElMarroAfamado
01-16-2010, 10:27 PM
Noah an all star probably has to be the most ridiculous thing i have read on a sports forum in a while....
Rose yeah i dont see why not .....

FaM0us Skins
01-16-2010, 10:28 PM
Noah is not a all star player

Bulls_fan90
01-16-2010, 11:43 PM
except noah is so ugly

LOL coming from a guy who's team wasted their cap space on an alien.

Gators123
01-16-2010, 11:48 PM
LOL coming from a guy who's team wasted their cap space on an alien.

If your referring to CV and that he looks different because he has no hair its because he has alopecia areata. Make fun of sombody because of a disease. What a tool.

And Per 36 CV averages 19 and 7. I Don't think Pistons wasted their money at all on him. Plus hes only 25

b_rad23
01-16-2010, 11:50 PM
unfortunately rose is blocked by chris quinn and noah will be blocked by fransisco elson.

BALLER71
01-17-2010, 12:02 AM
Since when does 10 and 10 get you in the all-star game?

Mr. Fluffi
01-17-2010, 12:05 AM
I think both have a case. If Rose continues to play like he has in the last one and a half month, he should be at 20-21ppg 6-7apg at the allstarbreak, so i think he'll make it. however i'm a bulls homer and i think he's going to improve even further and will be around 22ppg and 7-8apg at the allstarbreak.

i don't think noah will make it but he has definatley a strong case for mip. as a bulls fan i'm just glad those two players play on my favorite team :D

kozelkid
01-17-2010, 12:07 AM
Since when does 10 and 10 get you in the all-star game?

Since when did lying about stats make you prove a point?

BALLER71
01-17-2010, 12:20 AM
Since when did lying about stats make you prove a point?

OH YEAH I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I TOTALLY EXAGERRATED ON THE ****ING STATS.

Noah does not average 10-10. He averages exactly 11.2 and 12.20.
Jeez. Those 1.2 PPG and 2.2 RPG will surely make the difference in him becoming an all-star.

Please.

Bulls_fan90
01-17-2010, 12:22 AM
If your referring to CV and that he looks different because he has no hair its because he has alopecia areata. Make fun of sombody because of a disease. What a tool.

And Per 36 CV averages 19 and 7. I Don't think Pistons wasted their money at all on him. Plus hes only 25

Dosent change the fact that he looks like an alien.

And yes Pistons wasted their money on him 14 and 5 is average.

Gators123
01-17-2010, 12:26 AM
Dosent change the fact that he looks like an alien.

And yes Pistons wasted their money on him 14 and 5 is average.

You must be 13 years old, right?

14 and 5 in only 27 minutes, and hes had to play injured for multiple games.

Bulls_fan90
01-17-2010, 12:31 AM
You must be 13 years old, right?

14 and 5 in only 27 minutes, and hes had to play injured for multiple games.

I dont waste my time watching the pathetic Pistons so excuse me for not knowing he played injured. And i assume he plays limited minutes because of his limited production.

His game this year matches his face. Ugly.

BALLER71
01-17-2010, 12:33 AM
I dont waste my time watching the pathetic Pistons so excuse me for not knowing he played injured. And i assume he plays limited minutes because of his limited production.

His game this year matches his face. Ugly.

How ironic that you're a bulls fan saying that the Pistons are "pathetic."
:laugh:

Gators123
01-17-2010, 12:34 AM
Dosnt look too bad now does he?



Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS
1 Derrick Rose 2009-10 21 38 1367 17.1 .505 .469 2.9 8.5 5.7 31.3 1.1 0.7 13.0 26.8 103 108 1.0 1.2 2.2
2 Charlie Villanueva 2009-10 25 37 1007 16.4 .523 .495 4.9 20.3 12.1 5.4 1.2 2.2 8.3 24.7 107 108 1.2 0.9 2.0


Per 36

Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Derrick Rose 2009-10 21 38 38 1367 8.0 17.1 .468 0.1 0.3 .154 2.9 3.8 .767 0.9 2.8 3.7 6.0 0.7 0.3 2.8 1.3 19.0
2 Charlie Villanueva 2009-10 25 37 16 1007 7.4 16.6 .444 1.7 5.1 .329 2.1 2.6 .822 1.5 5.7 7.3 1.0 0.8 0.9 1.6 4.0 18.6

Bulls_fan90
01-17-2010, 12:34 AM
How ironic that you're a bulls fan saying that the Pistons are "pathetic."
:laugh:

The Heat are only 1.5 games ahead of the Bulls...so your in no position to talk :confused:

1-800-STFU
01-17-2010, 12:35 AM
How ironic that you're a bulls fan saying that the Pistons are "pathetic."
:laugh:

Det is 11 games under and Chicago is only 2 under :shrug:

Gators123
01-17-2010, 12:35 AM
The Heat are only 1.5 games ahead of the Bulls...so your in no position to talk :confused:

Have fun busting a nut over Dwade.....Bulls wont get him.

BALLER71
01-17-2010, 12:37 AM
The Heat are only 1.5 games ahead of the Bulls...so your in no position to talk :confused:

But I wasn't the one calling any team pathetic :shrug:

bbcmillionaire
01-17-2010, 12:43 AM
sorry but shaq shouldnt have made it off his name alone ala those other 2 guys( im getting tired of typing their names) and noah should make it off the coaches pick,what coach wouldnt love a guy like this? and rose should make it

bbcmillionaire
01-17-2010, 12:44 AM
Have fun busting a nut over Dwade.....Bulls wont get him.

dude detriot needs help, serious help

Gators123
01-17-2010, 12:47 AM
dude detriot needs help, serious help

Not denying it, Joe D said hes not done yet. But bulls are having a pipe dream if they think they will get Bosh, Wade, or LeBron.

Bulls_fan90
01-17-2010, 12:49 AM
But I wasn't the one calling any team pathetic :shrug:

You insinuated that the Bulls are patheitc.

Bulls_fan90
01-17-2010, 12:52 AM
dude detriot needs help, serious help

Don't even respond to him...he's just baiting. Their team is trash...we all saw that last time we played them.

homestarunner93
01-17-2010, 12:54 AM
Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson deserve to be ALL STARS.

Gators123
01-17-2010, 12:55 AM
Don't even respond to him...he's just baiting. Their team is trash...we all saw that last time we played them.

I didn't start anything... Yeah you beat the Pistons last time With Stuckey Injured, Ben Gordon was hurt and played 6 minutes, no tayshaun and no Bynum.

D Roses Bulls
01-17-2010, 01:05 AM
I didn't start anything... Yeah you beat the Pistons last time With Stuckey Injured, Ben Gordon was hurt and played 6 minutes, no tayshaun and no Bynum.

i really hate to get involved in this but how are you gonna talk about any team when the gm of your team spends a 100 million dollars on two players for them to come off the bench?

Gators123
01-17-2010, 01:07 AM
i really hate to get involved in this but how are you gonna talk about any team when the gm of your team spends a 100 million dollars on two players for them to come off the bench?

Please don't talk about GM's because what have the bulls done since MJ left?

Once Rip and Prince are traded, both CV and Ben will probably be starting

D Roses Bulls
01-17-2010, 01:10 AM
Please don't talk about GM's because what have the bulls done since MJ left?

Once Rip and Prince are traded, both CV and Ben will probably be starting

not spend a 100 million dollars on two bench players

Gators123
01-17-2010, 01:13 AM
not spend a 100 million dollars on two bench players

But over 100 million on deng and Kirk was a good idea? :clap:

ETA and I think Gordon and CV are around 85 or 90 mill. and Kirk and Deng contracts total around 120 mill.

effen5
01-17-2010, 01:31 AM
Might as well lock this thread its become a bashing thread

D Roses Bulls
01-17-2010, 02:11 AM
But over 100 million on deng and Kirk was a good idea? :clap:

ETA and I think Gordon and CV are around 85 or 90 mill. and Kirk and Deng contracts total around 120 mill.

look at dengs numbers, at least hes producing and hinrich is almost done with anyways and probably will be traded. good luck tryna trade bg or cv

Gators123
01-17-2010, 02:18 AM
look at dengs numbers, at least hes producing and hinrich is almost done with anyways and probably will be traded. good luck tryna trade bg or cv




Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Luol Deng 2009-10 24 38 38 1460 6.5 14.1 .463 0.3 0.9 .400 3.1 3.9 .788 2.0 5.0 7.0 1.9 1.0 1.0 1.7 1.6 16.5
2 Charlie Villanueva 2009-10 25 37 16 1007 7.4 16.6 .444 1.7 5.1 .329 2.1 2.6 .822 1.5 5.7 7.3 1.0 0.8 0.9 1.6 4.0 18.6


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS
1 Luol Deng 2009-10 24 38 1460 16.7 .521 .476 6.2 15.1 10.7 9.5 1.4 2.2 9.7 21.8 107 104 1.6 1.9 3.5
2 Charlie Villanueva 2009-10 25 37 1007 16.4 .523 .495 4.9 20.3 12.1 5.4 1.2 2.2 8.3 24.7 107 108 1.2 0.9 2.0


So how is Deng worth worth like 12 mill a year and Charlie over payed at 7 mill a year? :confused:

nitric
01-17-2010, 02:26 AM
Pistons are awful, why are you guys even in this thread? lmao

Fire&Ice2&33
01-17-2010, 02:27 AM
Neither one will be an all-star

Gators123
01-17-2010, 02:28 AM
Pistons are awful, why are you guys even in this thread? lmao

Pistons have had injuries, and still are injured

Bynum
Stuckey
Gordon
Prince
Hamilton
Charlie V

They have all missed games

Yet they are only 4.5 games behind the bulls

zambo4president
01-17-2010, 02:34 AM
They sure as hell do deserve to be all stars but it won't happen. :sigh:

effen5
01-17-2010, 02:53 AM
Pistons have had injuries

Bynum
Stuckey
Gordon
Prince
Hamilton
Charlie V

Yet they are only 4.5 games behind the bulls

But the bulls dont?

Rose
hinrich
thomas
deng
taj

Gators123
01-17-2010, 02:59 AM
But the bulls dont?

Rose
hinrich
thomas
deng
taj

Have deng, taj , or rose missed any games?

Those injuries don't compare to the pistons.

Rip has missed- 26 games
Prince -29 games and counting
Bynum-11 games and counting
Gordon-13 games and counting

Pistons have had so many injuries at the guard position, a few games ago they had to play their 6'11 PF at Point gaurd for a little bit.

itsripcity32
01-17-2010, 03:29 AM
But the bulls dont?

Rose
hinrich
thomas
deng
taj

LOL if they were really injured they woulda missed just as many games as deng did for the past 10000 million years of his 100000 million dollar contract

o gawd i am good

Stunner
01-17-2010, 03:31 AM
Everyone jus calm down

Rose will make the team coming off the bench, cuz Gil in jail and AI is going to rest for the break. Rose does deserve some love really if people really look at it right now Rose is the Second Best PG in the East playing. If Williams makes it will be only cuz he has Lebron on his team. Noah i would be happy if he made it but KG going to get voted in and im happy Shaq wont make it, Bosh going to make it , i think Crash should make it even Jaminson but wont cuz of his team record and David Lee should get some love since he got snubbed last year. To make all things fair they need to fix the All-Star voting by putting the right players on the ballot or change the whole damn thing. But Rose will make it in by coaches pick cuz im sure everyone wants to see Rose play with players that have equal and better talent that he does. Please everyone dont be blinded cuz for everyone hate for a certian team, if their player is playing all-star worthy at that time give him some credit. And for the people that dont watch basketball saying Rose had a sucky start to the season the because he was injuried. Everyone jus think about and dont jus jump on the guy cuz of his name and what team he plays for. I dont trust NBA fans anymore if the contiune to vote in players based off name like T-Mac, AI, SHAQ,and prob some more base off preformance people.

chicago lulz
01-17-2010, 03:45 AM
This is the dumbest thread ever. Should not be in the NBA forum.

Ray_R
01-17-2010, 04:02 AM
Not denying it, Joe D said hes not done yet. But bulls are having a pipe dream if they think they will get Bosh, Wade, or LeBron.

the way i see it.

LeBron 5%

Wade 25%

Bosh 50%

On coming.

Ray_R
01-17-2010, 04:03 AM
LOL if they were really injured they woulda missed just as many games as deng did for the past 10000 million years of his 100000 million dollar contract

o gawd i am good

what.....:pity:

Driven
01-17-2010, 04:09 AM
Pistons have had injuries, and still are injured

Bynum
Stuckey
Gordon
Prince
Hamilton
Charlie V

They have all missed games

Yet they are only 4.5 games behind the bulls
"Yet they are only 4.5 games behind the bulls"

You make them sound like they've been this amazingly overachieving and resilient team. You make them sound like the Rockets of the Eastern Conference.

They're not. They're 14-25 for crying out loud. The only reason they're 4.5 out is because they're in the pathetic Eastern Conference.

Driven
01-17-2010, 04:11 AM
LOL if they were really injured they woulda missed just as many games as deng did for the past 10000 million years of his 100000 million dollar contract

o gawd i am good
Is this english?

The more and more I read this thread, the more awful posters I've never encountered before pop up.

It's funny for a while, and then you start to think to yourself, "wow, some of these posters really ARE idiots."

KG2TB
01-17-2010, 04:14 AM
This thread is ridiculous.

Cool007
01-17-2010, 04:22 AM
I am sorry but whatever anyone says, Rose will be selected by the coaches.

2 best PGs in the East are: Rondo and Rose. Case closed. Both have been super consistent and both have been simply awesome carrying their teams.

Rose will definitely make it whether anyone wants to believe it or not.

pozzie3
01-17-2010, 05:10 AM
the nba's all star voting for one is stupid...fans vote players that that even belong in the game in to the game...second of all an all-star game is suppose to be based on a players indivudual performence...thats being said all this " they dont have the record to have one all-star let alone another all-star" is really stupid as hell. and derrick has been putting up great number since novmeber... if he was slowed since training camp and the the start of the season with his ankle injury he prolly would be putting up close to 25ppg.. remember he didnt even play one game before the season opener... some people loose sight of what an all-star really is...and put rondo on another team bet he doesnt even put up close to the number he has now.

asandhu23
01-17-2010, 05:17 AM
I am sorry but whatever anyone says, Rose will be selected by the coaches.

2 best PGs in the East are: Rondo and Rose. Case closed. Both have been super consistent and both have been simply awesome carrying their teams.

Rose will definitely make it whether anyone wants to believe it or not.

:facepalm:

DoubleCs
01-17-2010, 05:35 AM
Rodney Stuckey deserves it more then Derrick Rose.
He by far has the worst team, to work with because of the injuries, and he is still producing great numbers.
and so does Rondo. If Derrick Rose makes it he's just lucky that Gilbert Arenas got suspended.

PurpleJesus
01-17-2010, 05:38 AM
only a team in the east can have a losing record and deserve two all stars...if Joakim and Rose deserve an all star birth, so do Kevin Love and Al Jefferson of the team with the second worst record in the NBA...of course Al and Love wont get in in the west because the talent level in the west is far superior to the east

Lil Rhody
01-17-2010, 08:41 AM
I am sorry but whatever anyone says, Rose will be selected by the coaches.

2 best PGs in the East are: Rondo and Rose. Case closed. Both have been super consistent and both have been simply awesome carrying their teams.

Rose will definitely make it whether anyone wants to believe it or not.



Super eh? hahahahhaha ok Mr Slave

magichatnumber9
01-17-2010, 09:55 AM
Derrick Rose, yes. Joakim Noah, not yet.
I think you have that backwards

JordansBulls
01-17-2010, 10:29 AM
Vince won't make it this year, neither will Allen or Jennings. I think Mo will make it if the Cavs have the best record in the east. So my picks would be Mo, Rondo, Joe Johnson and Rose.

Kakaroach
01-17-2010, 10:55 AM
Eh, Rose might make but it depends on if Iverson is selected to play and if he will play in the end. If Iverson plays, Rondo will get in or Mo Williams. If Iverson doesn't play, then I think Rose could get in.

As for Noah, I don't think he gets in with Howard and Horford in front of him.

Giantwarrior
01-17-2010, 11:17 AM
i think they deserve courtside seats, w/ video cameras.

FlakeyFool
01-17-2010, 11:23 AM
I am sorry but whatever anyone says, Rose will be selected by the coaches.

2 best PGs in the East are: Rondo and Rose. Case closed. Both have been super consistent and both have been simply awesome carrying their teams.

Rose will definitely make it whether anyone wants to believe it or not.

ahaha

knicks09
01-17-2010, 01:18 PM
Every one in Knicks Uniform<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Derrick Rose

I don't know if you realized or not but I was clearley comparing David Lee and Joakim Noah, not Rose. And since when does 10 and 12 make you and all star?? I'm pretty sure 20 and 11 has a better chance.

Stunner
01-17-2010, 01:32 PM
Everyone on this forum needs to grow up.

ldc62
01-17-2010, 03:56 PM
I know I'm gonna get attacked for this, but Andrea Bargnani should be in the all star game. Not Noah.

Cool007
01-17-2010, 04:05 PM
:facepalm:

Go facepalm yourself.

Either come back with your argument on why do you think they are not consistent or don't reply at all.

Rose has been CONSISNTELY been improving and carrying his team for 2 months now (Since November 19th) and go look up his numbers - you can really chalk him up for good games night in and night out. Not to mention he just takes over the games at the end and usually the best player in the 4th qtr in the game.

He is also top 5 players in the NBA in 4th qtr scoring - especially inside the paint. That's simply elite level.

He has been putting up about 21ppg 6.5apg 4+rpg on 48% shooting since November 19th when his ankle was finally healing up.

Now, let me see your arguement on why you think Rose is not consistent?

ldc62
01-17-2010, 04:11 PM
Go facepalm yourself.

Either come back with your argument on why do you think they are not consistent or don't reply at all.

Rose has been CONSISNTELY been improving and carrying his team for 2 months now (Since November 19th) and go look up his numbers - you can really chalk him up for good games night in and night out. Not to mention he just takes over the games at the end and usually the best player in the 4th qtr in the game.

He is also top 5 players in the NBA in 4th qtr scoring - especially inside the paint. That's simply elite level.

He has been putting up about 21ppg 6.5apg 4+rpg on 48% shooting since November 19th when his ankle was finally healing up.

Now, let me see your arguement on why you think Rose is not consistent?

I agree that Rose should definitely be considered. But I still have to go with Bargnani over Noah (at least for now) because Bargnani is getting 20-10s and scoring 20+ in many games for the last month.

Cubsfan365
01-17-2010, 04:16 PM
I agree that Rose should definitely be considered. But I still have to go with Bargnani over Noah (at least for now) because Bargnani is getting 20-10s and scoring 20+ in many games for the last month.
Really? Bargnani only has a few 20-10 games.

kozelkid
01-17-2010, 04:17 PM
I agree that Rose should definitely be considered. But I still have to go with Bargnani over Noah (at least for now) because Bargnani is getting 20-10s and scoring 20+ in many games for the last month.

He's averaging 6.5 reb and the past month has been around 8. I really like the guy offensively, very efficient. He has alot of work to still do on the defensive end and rebounding wise.

kozelkid
01-17-2010, 04:18 PM
Is this english?

The more and more I read this thread, the more awful posters I've never encountered before pop up.

It's funny for a while, and then you start to think to yourself, "wow, some of these posters really ARE idiots."

:laugh2:
Also what happened to the old sig :(

kozelkid
01-17-2010, 04:21 PM
OH YEAH I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I TOTALLY EXAGERRATED ON THE ****ING STATS.

Noah does not average 10-10. He averages exactly 11.2 and 12.20.
Jeez. Those 1.2 PPG and 2.2 RPG will surely make the difference in him becoming an all-star.

Please.

Ya it really does. There are far more players that average 10 rpg than 12 rpg. There are only 2 players that qualify for over 12, yet over 15 that have over 10.

Good try though.
And for the record, I don't think he's an allstar, not til he becomes an elite defender, if he does. With that said, he's at least a borderline allstar.

Lakerfrk
01-17-2010, 04:26 PM
I like both Rose and Noah... but neither should be in the all-star game this year....

with the voting in guards looking like Iverson (:facepalm:) and Wade... the 3 bench guards will be Rondo, Joe Johnson, and Mo Williams.... which unfotunately will leave Rose out. (IF Iverson doesn't play, I do see Rose getting the nod).

At center with Dwight starting, the other spot will obviously go to David Lee, Al Horford or Joakim Noah. I believe BOTH Lee and Horford deserve it more than Noah.

kozelkid
01-17-2010, 04:29 PM
I like both Rose and Noah... but neither should be in the all-star game this year....

with the voting in guards looking like Iverson (:facepalm:) and Wade... the 3 bench guards will be Rondo, Joe Johnson, and Mo Williams.... which unfotunately will leave Rose out. (IF Iverson doesn't play, I do see Rose getting the nod).

At center with Dwight starting, the other spot will obviously go to David Lee, Al Horford or Joakim Noah. I believe BOTH Lee and Horford deserve it more than Noah.

I agree with most of the post except for Mo over Rose. I do think Rose has definitely surpassed Mo by now. Mo just has better record over Rose, and even so, I think Rose has definitely surpassed him.
The only thing Mo has on Rose is ts%, and I doubt that's a stat that many coaches look at cause alot of them are "old school".

KnicksorBust
01-17-2010, 04:33 PM
Hey look im Derrick Rose.

My shooting percentage is down, I can't shoot 3's to save my life, I'm not a good free throw shooter for a PG, my assists are down, my turnovers are up, I play ****** defense, and my team is 2 games under .500. HOW AM I NOT AN ALL-STAR????

nitric
01-17-2010, 04:37 PM
Stop bringing up Mo Williams, he is not an all star level player.

nitric
01-17-2010, 04:38 PM
Hey look im Derrick Rose.

My shooting percentage is down, I can't shoot 3's to save my life, I'm not a good free throw shooter for a PG, my assists are down, my turnovers are up, I play ****** defense, and my team is 2 games under .500. HOW AM I NOT AN ALL-STAR????

Hey I'm a Knicks fan, I think Gallinari is better than Rose and I am upset that we never win the lottery even when we are last or close to last every season

abe_froman
01-17-2010, 04:38 PM
ahhh these threads(and the posters in them)always make me laugh

Cubsfan365
01-17-2010, 04:39 PM
Hey I'm a Knicks fan, I think Gallinari is better than Rose and I am upset that we never win the lottery even when we are last or close to last every season
Hahahaha

nitric
01-17-2010, 04:39 PM
ahhh these threads(and the posters in them)always make me laugh

Time for a sig change? :D

yankee$fan213
01-17-2010, 04:47 PM
Deffinitly rose idk bout noah

brook lopez should be over noah

abe_froman
01-17-2010, 04:49 PM
Time for a sig change? :D

he started his turn around when i put it up,so why not keep it up

KnicksorBust
01-17-2010, 04:51 PM
Stop bringing up Mo Williams, he is not an all star level player.

How is he not? He has a much better true shooting percentages than Rose (.576 to .505), and he is scoring and distributing on the best team in the Eastern Conference. Don't you think stats on a winning team hold more value than stats on a losing team?


Hey I'm a Knicks fan, I think Gallinari is better than Rose and I am upset that we never win the lottery even when we are last or close to last every season

Ouch. :laugh:

azkarraga
01-17-2010, 04:53 PM
Even though i like both players, i doubt they'd be All Stars. But that's just my opinion.

ldc62
01-17-2010, 05:41 PM
Deffinitly rose idk bout noah

brook lopez should be over noah

Tell Brook Lopez to go on a team winning more than 3 games first.
I might have to go with Lee as a backup then Bargnani and maybe Horford or Noah. Reason why I can't have Horford as a backup is because he isn't even the 2nd option on his team (if JSmooth doesn't make it, then why should Al, since Josh is better than him). I go with Lee just because of his stats.

kozelkid
01-17-2010, 06:25 PM
How is he not? He has a much better true shooting percentages than Rose (.576 to .505), and he is scoring and distributing on the best team in the Eastern Conference. Don't you think stats on a winning team hold more value than stats on a losing team?

And Rose has better PER, rebounds, assists...
It's a matter of opinion, I guess. I'd personally go with Rose though because
(A) I'm a Bulls fan :D
(B) Rose has been a complete different player the last month or so. I know allstar voting is based on the whole 1st half of the season, but I do think they should consider improvements especially when it's a young player making improvements and/or injuries.

KnicksorBust
01-17-2010, 06:35 PM
And Rose has better PER, rebounds, assists...
It's a matter of opinion, I guess. I'd personally go with Rose though because
(A) I'm a Bulls fan :D
(B) Rose has been a complete different player the last month or so. I know allstar voting is based on the whole 1st half of the season, but I do think they should consider improvements especially when it's a young player making improvements and/or injuries.

Only ahead by 1apg and 0.5 rpg. I think Rose is a great talent and I'd take him on the Knicks in a heartbeat but I don't know maybe I don't get to see enough of him but I don't see him as an elite player and I hate All-Stars coming from losing teams (unless that player is REALLY killing it that season).

kozelkid
01-17-2010, 06:47 PM
Only ahead by 1apg and 0.5 rpg. I think Rose is a great talent and I'd take him on the Knicks in a heartbeat but I don't know maybe I don't get to see enough of him but I don't see him as an elite player and I hate All-Stars coming from losing teams (unless that player is REALLY killing it that season).

Well he has been averaging 20+ ppg since beginning of December.
He really did have a slow start though. I mean alot of us had really high expectations and thought he'd have similar stats to Wade's second year. Didn't turn out like that yet and probably won't be that close. WIth that said he's alot farther than I thought he'd be when we drafted him. Honestly, I thought he'd have a similar rookie year to Deron Williams. However, he surpassed those expectations and then people's expectations leaped from rookie year to sophmore year. Truth of the matter is that he's still VERY raw. He's only starting to realize now how important it is to get to the line seeing as he was used to avoiding contact back in Chicago. With that said, I personally think he's been playing at an allstar level past 2 months. And as for losing team, there are only 6 winning teams atm, and the Bulls have been rolling lately, so they could end up near .500 by allstar weekend. I mean they also are known for having more road games at the beginning because of the circus trips.

Avenged
01-17-2010, 06:50 PM
Two Bulls in the all star game with the record they have? hmm..

Raoul Duke_91
01-17-2010, 07:01 PM
:facepalm: rose has done a lot for the bulls which is more than i can say for beasley. dude seriously and ur username is bulls_fan :facepalm:

:facepalm: wow. that kid was laying on the sarcasm pretty thick there bro

Raoul Duke_91
01-17-2010, 07:08 PM
I dont know why so many people hate on rose. Hes like the most mild mannered guy ive ever seen. I mean c'mon...the dude makes brian gumble look like malcom x

Don P.Belasario
01-18-2010, 12:26 PM
You basically made a case for yourself that you don't watch basketball

In your response you basically made a case that you dont understand basketball... Excellent insight by the way...

Yeah I guess the two best pt guards in the east on teams with the best record dont deserve to be in the all star game as much as your overhyped second year hit the wall and regressed player... Ha yeah I dont watch basketball... you funny breh

king4day
01-18-2010, 12:38 PM
If Gerald Wallace doesn't get in, then neither of those two deserve it.

Tha Truth
01-18-2010, 12:41 PM
One of the 2 deserve it at most. Definitely not both though.

Stunner
01-18-2010, 12:46 PM
Hey look im Derrick Rose.

My shooting percentage is down, I can't shoot 3's to save my life, I'm not a good free throw shooter for a PG, my assists are down, my turnovers are up, I play ****** defense, and my team is 2 games under .500. HOW AM I NOT AN ALL-STAR????

Rose is shooting 48% from the field and 13% from the 3 cuz he only took like 3 or 5 threes on the season. His freethrow is around 77% i think and his assist are actually up this season, dont know bout his turnovers but they could be better but he is only in his second year, yea his defense sucks but getting a lil better, and my team is in the playoffs right now so why not be an all-star.

Stunner
01-18-2010, 12:48 PM
[QUOTE=KnicksorBust;12010924]How is he not? He has a much better true shooting percentages than Rose (.576 to .505), and he is scoring and distributing on the best team in the Eastern Conference. Don't you think stats on a winning team hold more value than stats on a losing team?]


one word Lebron

Chronz
01-18-2010, 12:56 PM
Rose is shooting 48% from the field and 13% from the 3 cuz he only took like 3 or 5 threes on the season. His freethrow is around 77% i think and his assist are actually up this season, dont know bout his turnovers but they could be better but he is only in his second year, yea his defense sucks but getting a lil better, and my team is in the playoffs right now so why not be an all-star.

Isnt that the point hes making?? What exactly was that excuses suppose to exonerate him of, the point remains he cant shoot out there.



one word Lebron

huh?

Super.
01-18-2010, 01:21 PM
Get off Rose's dick fellas.

Unfortunately He's not even as good as Rondo THIS YEAR

Rose: 19.0 ppg > Rondo: 14.0ppg (But, Rose is the 1st or second option while Rondo is many times the 3rd or 4th, Still advantage Rose)

Rose: 6.0 Apg < Rondo: 9.6 apg (And incredibly important stat for a PG and rondo has him by almost 4)

Rose: 3.7 rpg < Rondo: 4.0 rpg (We all know Rondo can outrebound just about any PG in the NBA. In fact he was .5 rpg away from averaging a triple double against Rose himself)

Rose: 0.7 spg < Rondo: 2.5 spg (Rondo is leading the league in steals per game at the moment)

They both equally suck a 3's no, neither has an advantage

Rose: 0.767 FT% > Rondo: 0.586 (Easily Rose advantage)

Rose: 2 Rondo: 3

And Rondo has the edge in the all important Assist catagory.

They best part? Rondo isnt the best player on his team. Rose is

jacquewho?
01-18-2010, 01:23 PM
Get off Rose's dick fellas.

Unfortunately He's not even as good as Rondo THIS YEAR

Rose: 19.0 ppg > Rondo: 14.0ppg (But, Rose is the 1st or second option while Rondo is many times the 3rd or 4th, Still advantage Rose)

Rose: 6.0 Apg < Rondo: 9.6 apg (And incredibly important stat for a PG and rondo has him by almost 4)

Rose: 3.7 rpg < Rondo: 4.0 rpg (We all know Rondo can outrebound just about any PG in the NBA. In fact he was .5 rpg away from averaging a triple double against Rose himself)

Rose: 0.7 spg < Rondo: 2.5 spg (Rondo is leading the league in steals per game at the moment)

They both equally suck a 3's no, neither has an advantage

Rose: 0.767 FT% > Rondo: 0.586 (Easily Rose advantage)

Rose: 2 Rondo: 3

And Rondo has the edge in the all important Assist catagory.

They best part? Rondo isnt the best player on his team. Rose is

Because stats explain everything.

kozelkid
01-18-2010, 01:35 PM
Because stats explain everything.

They can show alot if you are actually able to use them. Superdude showed us he clearly can't.

Jamiecballer
01-18-2010, 01:46 PM
Get off Rose's dick fellas.

Unfortunately He's not even as good as Rondo THIS YEAR

Rose: 19.0 ppg > Rondo: 14.0ppg (But, Rose is the 1st or second option while Rondo is many times the 3rd or 4th, Still advantage Rose)

Rose: 6.0 Apg < Rondo: 9.6 apg (And incredibly important stat for a PG and rondo has him by almost 4)

Rose: 3.7 rpg < Rondo: 4.0 rpg (We all know Rondo can outrebound just about any PG in the NBA. In fact he was .5 rpg away from averaging a triple double against Rose himself)

Rose: 0.7 spg < Rondo: 2.5 spg (Rondo is leading the league in steals per game at the moment)

They both equally suck a 3's no, neither has an advantage

Rose: 0.767 FT% > Rondo: 0.586 (Easily Rose advantage)

Rose: 2 Rondo: 3

And Rondo has the edge in the all important Assist catagory.

They best part? Rondo isnt the best player on his team. Rose is


I don't think there is any question that Rondo is way more deserving. This post doesn't even mention Rondo's biggest contribution: best defender in the game at his position.

Pierzynski4Prez
01-18-2010, 01:48 PM
Get off Rose's dick fellas.

Unfortunately He's not even as good as Rondo THIS YEAR

Rose: 19.0 ppg > Rondo: 14.0ppg (But, Rose is the 1st or second option while Rondo is many times the 3rd or 4th, Still advantage Rose)

Rose: 6.0 Apg < Rondo: 9.6 apg (And incredibly important stat for a PG and rondo has him by almost 4)

Rose: 3.7 rpg < Rondo: 4.0 rpg (We all know Rondo can outrebound just about any PG in the NBA. In fact he was .5 rpg away from averaging a triple double against Rose himself)

Rose: 0.7 spg < Rondo: 2.5 spg (Rondo is leading the league in steals per game at the moment)

They both equally suck a 3's no, neither has an advantage

Rose: 0.767 FT% > Rondo: 0.586 (Easily Rose advantage)

Rose: 2 Rondo: 3

And Rondo has the edge in the all important Assist catagory.

They best part? Rondo isnt the best player on his team. Rose is

Trade Pierce and Allen with Salmons and Deng, and I highly doubt that Rondo gets 4 more APG than Rose, I think it would be the other way around.

Bearsfan54
01-18-2010, 01:52 PM
Joakim Noah, not yet.

2nd in the league in rebounds and a double double machine

Chronz
01-18-2010, 02:00 PM
Because stats explain everything.

I dont think it was a great analysis but hes atleast tried to contextualize the stats. Which is more than most can say.


Trade Pierce and Allen with Salmons and Deng, and I highly doubt that Rondo gets 4 more APG than Rose, I think it would be the other way around.
Based on ......... ?

DaBUU
01-18-2010, 02:38 PM
Isnt that the point hes making?? Why exactly was that excuses suppose to exonerate him of, the point remains he cant shoot out there.



huh?

It exonerates him becuase hes proving he doesnt play to one of his weaknesses. Not playing to a weakness is a sign of a good BB IQ, unlike Tyrus Thomas. Would we want Rose putting up shots he knows he cant make consistently, we call TT stupid for doing that. Its not going to have any bearing on him being an all star.

briandol15
01-18-2010, 02:56 PM
No way does a team like the Chicago Bulls get two All Stars

Mr. Fluffi
01-18-2010, 03:25 PM
most bulls fans aren't arguing rose over rondo, because rondo should be the startig point guard in the east this year. however i think rose over mo is atleast debatable. the only thing mo has over rose is ts% and 3pt%. i don't know since when the 3 point shot has become the most value asset of a point guard. i mean using that argument, what business had wade in the all-star game, when he wasn't putting up great 3pt numbers as a shooting(!) guard?

now to ts%: first of all i've got a question (i honestly don't know). are FGAs used to get to the freethrow line counted as FGAs in ts%? Because if not a guy that uses a possesion to make a field goal resulting in 2 points won't up his ts% as much as guy using a posession to get to the freethrowline but only making 1 point (going 1/2 from the line). not to mention if he goes 2/2 he'd get an even bigger advantage.

in addition imo you certainly have to account the fact that rose faces much more defensive pressure beeing the biggest offensive force on his team.

however if rose keeps his current play up or is even further improving (continue the trend :D) then this won't even be a debate at the all-star break. i don't have the exact numbers at hand at the moment but his play has steadily immproved from ~11ppg in october on ~44% to ~21ppg on ~50% in january so far.

kozelkid
01-18-2010, 03:36 PM
now to ts%: first of all i've got a question (i honestly don't know). are FGAs used to get to the freethrow line counted as FGAs in ts%? Because if not a guy that uses a possesion to make a field goal resulting in 2 points won't up his ts% as much as guy using a posession to get to the freethrowline but only making 1 point (going 1/2 from the line). not to mention if he goes 2/2 he'd get an even bigger advantage.

No. Fga are never counted if you foul and miss the shot. If you get the and one, then it counts.
Here is the simple formula, ts%= points/(2(fga + .44fta))

Mr. Fluffi
01-18-2010, 03:46 PM
No. Fga are never counted if you foul and miss the shot. If you get the and one, then it counts.
Here is the simple formula, ts%= points/(2(fga + .44fta))

well but then it's basically fine because it takes fta in account. why .44 instead of .5 though?

edit: thx btw. :D

kozelkid
01-18-2010, 04:13 PM
well but then it's basically fine because it takes fta in account. why .44 instead of .5 though?

edit: thx btw. :D

.44 due to technical fouls, fragrant, clear path fouls, etc iirc.

Edit: here is the best reasoning from a poster from another forum.

Approximately 12% of free throws attempted come from either technical fouls, flagrant fouls, clear path fouls, and1's, or as the third part of a shooting foul from behind the three-point arc. The free throws pertaining to these events do not take possessions away from a team.

You start with a FTA = 1/2 a possession or 0.5 (as the vast majority of the time this is the case), and then you deduct for those 12% aforementioned scenarios, where 0.5 * 0.12 = 0.06 and 0.5 - 0.06 = 0.44

Chronz
01-18-2010, 04:17 PM
It exonerates him becuase hes proving he doesnt play to one of his weaknesses. Not playing to a weakness is a sign of a good BB IQ, unlike Tyrus Thomas. Would we want Rose putting up shots he knows he cant make consistently, we call TT stupid for doing that. Its not going to have any bearing on him being an all star.
I think the absence of him taking shots he cant make means he doesnt have poor BBIQ but its certainly not a sign of good IQ. It simply means your acknowledging a weakness in your game that you have to account for to be a star performer (Doesnt change the fact that he lacks range). Though thus far hes made great strides, especially if you completely take away the first month of the season, but you can do that to most of the league so its really pointless.

kozelkid
01-18-2010, 04:19 PM
I think the absence of him taking shots he cant make means he doesnt have poor BBIQ but its certainly not a sign of good IQ. It simply means your acknowledging a weakness in your game that you have to account for to be a star performer (Doesnt change the fact that he lacks range). Though thus far hes made great strides, especially if you completely take away the first month of the season, but you can do that to most of the league so its really pointless.

Pretty much. He has to become very good at 3's or drawing fta to be able to become a star. And so far he is a none factor from 3 and can still draw more fouls. Though he has extended his range quite a bit since his rookie year.

Chronz
01-18-2010, 04:30 PM
Pretty much. He has to become very good at 3's or drawing fta to be able to become a star. And so far he is a none factor from 3 and can still draw more fouls. Though he has extended his range quite a bit since his rookie year.
Yup the game can be broken down pretty easily.

What worries me about Rose is that hes incredibly reliant on the midrange game, he blows away the competition in frequency with middling efficiency.

Now that I think about it, shouldnt we take that as a sign of poor BBIQ? Hes relying on the lowest% shot in the game, and in comparison to the great midrange artists, he doesnt offer the usual payoff of being a low turnover guy nor decent accuracy. And unlike high turnover guys doesnt offer anything in the way of assists.

Its maddening cuz hes a beast in the paint and if he can start turning those aggressive drives into free throw attempts thats all hed need to get started as an All-Star. I guess he has to take the shot until defenses stop sagging but with how much space he gets he should be making more of them. Hes basically the Bron (18 year old version) of a PG.

kozelkid
01-18-2010, 04:36 PM
Yup the game can be broken down pretty easily.

What worries me about Rose is that hes incredibly reliant on the midrange game, he blows away the competition in frequency with middling efficiency.

Now that I think about it, shouldnt we take that as a sign of poor BBIQ? Hes relying on the lowest% shot in the game, and in comparison to the great midrange artists, he doesnt offer the usual payoff of being a low turnover guy nor decent accuracy. And unlike high turnover guys doesnt offer anything in the way of assists.

Its maddening cuz hes a beast in the paint and if he can start turning those aggressive drives into free throw attempts thats all hed need to get started as an All-Star. I guess he has to take the shot until defenses stop sagging but with how much space he gets he should be making more of them. Hes basically the Bron (18 year old version) of a PG.

I'd say he has a fairly low bbiq but it's improving. His defense fundamentals are awful, he should be a far better rebounder considering his size and athleticism, should be more efficient offensively, and isn't able to run certain plays like the pick and roll.
With that said, he certainly has beat out most expectations of him, considering most expected him to have nothing special of a rookie year due to him being so raw. Fortunately for him, he is athletic and talented enough that he is still able to play well without good fundamentals. It doesn't help having an idiot of a coach either. He has a good work ethic and if Bulls could get a good develop and likely new coach by 2010, he should hopefully continue to improve.