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AI4MVP
01-15-2010, 06:50 PM
^^^

Gibby23
01-15-2010, 06:52 PM
Watch the tape. Lebron is the best in the NBA for 47 min, the last 1 min I still give to Kobe.

fairandbalanced
01-15-2010, 06:56 PM
Well....because:drool:

fairandbalanced
01-15-2010, 06:57 PM
I got the answer: Because he grabs more rebounds than Wade.

PHX2daDEATH
01-15-2010, 07:04 PM
I don't think the reality of Dwayne Wade winning a championship ever really sunk in with NBA fans.. Especially since the controversy that surrounded those Finals. I still get suprised when I'm reminded that Miami won that year. They haven't been to the ECF or even made much noise in the playoffs since then.

nipo10847
01-15-2010, 07:06 PM
Watch the tape. Lebron is the best in the NBA for 47 min, the last 1 min I still give to Kobe.

I thought I didn't see Kobe's name in the thread :rolleyes:

abe_froman
01-15-2010, 07:06 PM
because rings are only one part of the measurement,not the entire thing.and lebron beating wade out in everything except rings wins out

because its stupid way to measure because it depends on what team you have around you,so that ring thing is more a reflection of pat and ferry more than wade and lebron

TheWatcher34
01-15-2010, 07:09 PM
stupid question: are superstars really measured by rings...or is it more the attention they draw from the media ?!?!?

fishfan79
01-15-2010, 07:14 PM
I don't think the reality of Dwayne Wade winning a championship ever really sunk in with NBA fans.. Especially since the controversy that surrounded those Finals. I still get suprised when I'm reminded that Miami won that year. They haven't been to the ECF or even made much noise in the playoffs since then.

they did go to the East finals the year before then and wade and shaq both hurt they still barely lost.

but agreed never fills in to folks head how amazing he was in that finals he absolutely destroyed the mavs. either way doesnt matter much it is all based on opinion and marketing what will sell the most for the major companies and a who is the best sells great for them in the nba

Gibby23
01-15-2010, 07:14 PM
I thought I didn't see Kobe's name in the thread :rolleyes:

Oh, my bad.

Lebron is a lot better than Wade, all you have to do is watch him.

tr4shb0t
01-15-2010, 07:20 PM
lebron is younger, so the nba will make more money off him for longer.

its called protecting your investment

illegallover
01-15-2010, 07:21 PM
Wtf is a superstar???!

Gibby23
01-15-2010, 07:21 PM
lebron is younger, so the nba will make more money off him for longer.
its called protecting your investment

So, the NBA makes Lebron play better than Wade?

Lisound15
01-15-2010, 07:27 PM
lebron plays with nobody.
wade had shaq in his last good year
wade is a beast... but lebrons team is awful

-Kobe24-TJ19-
01-15-2010, 07:32 PM
lebron plays with nobody.
wade had shaq in his last good year
wade is a beast... but lebrons team is awful

:facepalm:

RadiantShot
01-15-2010, 07:32 PM
Let me answer your question with another question.

Is Bill Russell considered better then Michael Jordan because he has more rings?

Think about that.

PHX2daDEATH
01-15-2010, 07:32 PM
lebron plays with nobody.
wade had shaq in his last good year
wade is a beast... but lebrons team is awful

if Lebron's team is so awful i guess winning 60 games all by himself last year would mean he's the G.O.A.T rite?

Raph12
01-15-2010, 07:33 PM
^^^^In that case Horry would be better than Jordan...

Wade has had 2 good seasons his whole career; one successful season (championship) and one statistically successful season (scoring title), whereas Lebron has been great since his rookie season and gotten better and better year-in year-out. Lebron's consistently been a Top 3 player in the league, Wade just comes and goes.

Lebron James is better than Dwyane Wade in every facet of the game and to be honest, I don't think it's even close.

tr4shb0t
01-15-2010, 07:35 PM
So, the NBA makes Lebron play better than Wade?

no, i was referring to hype. the league did it for kobe too before the incident


lebron plays with nobody.
wade had shaq in his last good year
wade is a beast... but lebrons team is awful

that's definitely not true, otherwise they wouldn't finish with the best record in the league last year. this is the hype i'm talking about. espn may say lebron has nobody, but it's complete crap. he has less talent around him than maybe boston or LA but its disrespectful to say he has nobody.

RadiantShot
01-15-2010, 07:43 PM
^^^^In that case Horry would be better than Jordan...

Wade has had 2 good seasons his whole career; one successful season (championship) and one statistically successful season (scoring title), whereas Lebron has been great since his rookie season and gotten better and better year-in year-out. Lebron's consistently been a Top 3 player in the league, Wade just comes and goes.

Lebron James is better than Dwyane Wade in every facet of the game and to be honest, I don't think it's even close.

Oh Raph. I may love you the most out of everyone on PSD. No homo. We see eye to eye on a lot. Anyways...So..Yeah..

Lebron is better then Dwyane at almost EVERY viewpoint in basketball. Dwyane Wade is better in the clutch IMO, but Lebron destroys him in terms of team play, athleticism, speed, strength, agility, mindset, and just overall gameplay.

Don't get me wrong, I love Dwyane, and he's one of my favorite players to watch, but Lebron is just something else.

LALakersKC
01-15-2010, 07:47 PM
Because the media makes LeBron greater then what he is and because he has the potential to be the best to ever do it.

KG2TB
01-15-2010, 07:52 PM
stupid question: are superstars really measured by rings...or is it more the attention they draw from the media ?!?!?

This.

nipo10847
01-15-2010, 07:56 PM
lebron plays with nobody.
wade had shaq in his last good year
wade is a beast... but lebrons team is awful

when was the last time you watched/followed nba?? How in the world wade is having better teammates than Lebron?? League Pass is a good deal for quick learning/studying about nba. You may also use nba.com to broaden your domain of basketball.

bbblack40
01-15-2010, 08:05 PM
The fact of the matter is that its opinions I mean You Lebron's better somebody else says Wade's better this cant be proven because there is no one set criteria. Do you go off statistics? Do you Go off of leading your team to Championships? Do You Go off Scroing titles? MVP's? Finals MVP's? see what im sayin its just opinion. I personally think they are both Great equal talents I mean You cant go wrong by choosin either one of them.

nipo10847
01-15-2010, 08:07 PM
^^^^In that case Horry would be better than Jordan...

Wade has had 2 good seasons his whole career; one successful season (championship) and one statistically successful season (scoring title), whereas Lebron has been great since his rookie season and gotten better and better year-in year-out. Lebron's consistently been a Top 3 player in the league, Wade just comes and goes.

Lebron James is better than Dwyane Wade in every facet of the game and to be honest, I don't think it's even close.

LeBron James is better than anyone in the league. Scoring, rebounding, passing, defense. So yeah, overall there is LeBron from 1 to 10........and then the rests starting from 11.

fairandbalanced
01-15-2010, 08:09 PM
^^^^In that case Horry would be better than Jordan...

Wade has had 2 good seasons his whole career; one successful season (championship) and one statistically successful season (scoring title), whereas Lebron has been great since his rookie season and gotten better and better year-in year-out. Lebron's consistently been a Top 3 player in the league, Wade just comes and goes.

Lebron James is better than Dwyane Wade in every facet of the game and to be honest, I don't think it's even close.

Season 1. Wade helped beat the Hornets and took Miami to 2nd round
Season 2: Wade took Heat to East Finals...Miami up 3-2 but Wade got injured
Season 3: Championship
Season 4: Injury in Houston, came back but swept by Bulls 1st round
Season 5: Injury...Heat worst team in league
Season 6: Come back...Olympic hero, NBA scoring champ


Are you sure he's only had 2 good seasons?

azkarraga
01-15-2010, 08:10 PM
he's the better player of the two. no matter rings or whatever.

smith&wesson
01-15-2010, 08:10 PM
because lebron never had shaq (yonger better stats shaq) or posey in his prime, haslem in his prime, walker, gary payton, jasan kapono ( when he was winning 3 point compititions), jason williams,

that was a stacked team at the time.

lebron on the other hand did take his team to the finals with much less proven talent. and has gone to the playoffs and surpassed at least the first round in the last three years.

GREATNESS ONE
01-15-2010, 08:11 PM
BUT what if he never wins a Title

AI4MVP
01-15-2010, 08:16 PM
i didnt start this thread to say wade is better then lebron becuz hes not IMHO, but i started this thread to make it shown that just becuz one superstar has more championships then the other one doesnt mean that the player with more rings is always the better one

Gators123
01-15-2010, 08:17 PM
Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 LeBron James 2009-10 25 41 41 38.6 10.2 20.1 .509 1.7 4.7 .368 7.4 9.4 .780 1.0 6.2 7.2 7.8 1.5 0.9 3.6 1.7 29.5
2 Dwyane Wade 2009-10 28 37 37 36.9 9.3 20.8 .449 0.9 3.3 .276 7.3 9.4 .776 1.4 3.6 5.0 6.2 1.7 1.2 3.4 2.4 26.9


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Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS
1 LeBron James 2009-10 25 41 1582 31.1 .610 .552 3.4 18.4 11.2 39.7 2.1 1.9 12.8 33.7 120 101 7.3 2.7 10.0
2 Dwyane Wade 2009-10 28 37 1367 26.4 .540 .471 4.5 11.7 8.0 33.5 2.5 2.6 11.9 35.5 110 105 3.4 1.7 5.1

Raph12
01-15-2010, 08:23 PM
Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 LeBron James 2009-10 25 41 41 38.6 10.2 20.1 .509 1.7 4.7 .368 7.4 9.4 .780 1.0 6.2 7.2 7.8 1.5 0.9 3.6 1.7 29.5
2 Dwyane Wade 2009-10 28 37 37 36.9 9.3 20.8 .449 0.9 3.3 .276 7.3 9.4 .776 1.4 3.6 5.0 6.2 1.7 1.2 3.4 2.4 26.9


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Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS
1 LeBron James 2009-10 25 41 1582 31.1 .610 .552 3.4 18.4 11.2 39.7 2.1 1.9 12.8 33.7 120 101 7.3 2.7 10.0
2 Dwyane Wade 2009-10 28 37 1367 26.4 .540 .471 4.5 11.7 8.0 33.5 2.5 2.6 11.9 35.5 110 105 3.4 1.7 5.1


Right... and remind me why anyone would make this comparison again?

AI4MVP
01-15-2010, 08:25 PM
Right... and remind me why anyone would make this comparison again?

i didnt start this thread to say wade is better then lebron becuz hes not IMHO, but i started this thread to make it shown that just becuz one superstar has more championships then the other one doesnt mean that the player with more rings is always the better one

prodigy
01-15-2010, 08:28 PM
If you go just by rings, then 15th men on championship teams are better then Lebron lol. I go by the players performance straight up. I don't count rings or anything like that. just straight up performance.

Lebron is clearly the best player in the NBA. Nobody scores, rebounds, passes, steals, blocks, leads like he does. NOBODY!!

nipo10847
01-15-2010, 08:48 PM
If you go just by rings, then 15th men on championship teams are better then Lebron lol. I go by the players performance straight up. I don't count rings or anything like that. just straight up performance.

Lebron is clearly the best player in the NBA. Nobody scores, rebounds, passes, steals, blocks, leads like he does. NOBODY!!

This ^^^^. That's why he is the face and King of modern basketball.

JordansBulls
01-15-2010, 10:05 PM
^^^

Because this isn't 2006 anymore.

From 2007-2010 Lebron has been better clearly.

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-15-2010, 10:08 PM
If you go just by rings, then 15th men on championship teams are better then Lebron lol. I go by the players performance straight up. I don't count rings or anything like that. just straight up performance.

Lebron is clearly the best player in the NBA. Nobody scores, rebounds, passes, steals, blocks, leads like he does. NOBODY!!

Of course someone from Cleveland would not value winning a championship. But to the rest of the world, winning is what its all about. Lebron is the Al Jefferson of small forwards to me until he wins a ring. He could get all the empty stats in the world, it does not matter if you dont win jack. Why do you think Oscar Robertson is not in a lot of peoples top 10 and in no ones top 5 of all time list? He had 181 triple doubles in his career. Lebron only has 18. But at least Oscar got at least one championship out of it.

Lebron is not the best in any catagory this season, hes not leading in points, rebounds, assist, streals, blocks, fg% ft% and his team is not leading the league in wins, so yes, a lot of people can do everything he does and better.

Giantwarrior
01-15-2010, 10:14 PM
because lebron has more baby moma's then wade.

_KB24_
01-15-2010, 10:14 PM
If you go just by rings, then 15th men on championship teams are better then Lebron lol. I go by the players performance straight up. I don't count rings or anything like that. just straight up performance.

Lebron is clearly the best player in the NBA. Nobody scores, rebounds, passes, steals, blocks, leads like he does. NOBODY!!

That's like working in a company and constantly performing at a high level, but never getting that promotion and raise. It's all about the hardware, then the stats.

asandhu23
01-15-2010, 10:18 PM
LeBron is a crybaby and they must make him seem better than the wise Wade.

no really...OP you are totally wrong. Superstars are not measured by rings. Bill Russell had more rings than Wilt...but Wilt was way better. Would an unbiased anyone here say Russell was a better basketball player than Wilt?

Chicagofaithful
01-15-2010, 10:20 PM
For the same reason that Rajon Rondo isn't considered better than CP3

JasonJohnHorn
01-15-2010, 10:22 PM
Who said greatness is measured by rings? Karl Malone and John Stockton are most often considered the best at their respective positions, or at least in the top three, yet neither has a ring. Barkley likewise is considered one of the NBA's greatest and only made the finals once, while Ewing (who I'm not personally a fan of) has lots of people boasting him as a great center, and Bob Lanier gets the same treatment, neither has a ring. Nash is consdiered the best facilitator in the league, no ring.

As for why LBJ is considered better, likely because he is. He is a better passer, a better reound, just about as good on D, he's a better shooter, better post player and he has developed his game quicker than Kobe and without the help of an allstar liek Shaq (he has the washed-up Shaq). LBJ was carrying a team in his rookie season, Kobe wasn't even starting, and LBJ continues to improve ever season, look at his percentages this season, he has career bests in almost all of them.

Kobe is awesome, but rings are as much about luck and chance as talent. Magic and Bird were lucky to get drafted by those teams. Duncan was lucky the Spurs drafted him. Kobe was luck to get traded to the Lakers after they signed Shaq. Had he stayed with the team that drafted him, would he have four rings? I doubt it.

Zefflin
01-15-2010, 10:23 PM
but Lebron destroys him in terms of team play, athleticism, speed, strength, agility, mindset, and just overall gameplay.

The bolded two Lebron doesn't destroy Wade at all. And Lebron destroys Wade at mindset?? wtf?


LeBron James is better than anyone in the league. Scoring, rebounding, passing, defense. So yeah, overall there is LeBron from 1 to 10........and then the rests starting from 11.

Ha wow, you really love Lebron.

_KB24_
01-15-2010, 10:26 PM
Wade would take the free throws at the end of the game, that's all I need :rolleyes:

JIDsanity
01-15-2010, 10:26 PM
"Check my Stats"

Zefflin
01-15-2010, 10:26 PM
It's people like JohnHorn that make this site unbearable to me lately.

evadatam5150
01-15-2010, 10:28 PM
Watch the tape. Lebron is the best in the NBA for 47 min, the last 1 min I still give to Kobe.

That's ridiculous comment. I mean he's great but at this stage it's easily a toss up on any given night between James and Bryant..

RadiantShot
01-15-2010, 10:34 PM
The bolded two Lebron doesn't destroy Wade at all. And Lebron destroys Wade at mindset?? wtf?



Ha wow, you really love Lebron.

People like to think Wade is the fastest player in the NBA, but he's not. Lebron is like a machine. Have you watched games where Lebron sprints up the court? Lebron can make 3 seconds seem like an eternity for how quick he is. Dwyane can, but not as well as Lebron. Put them in a lap sprint or something, and Lebron would win. Anyone else to think otherwise hasn't watched Lebron.

kblo247
01-15-2010, 10:37 PM
I thought I didn't see Kobe's name in the thread :rolleyes:

To be fair, in all honesty Wade has a killer instinct only behind Kobe and Melo.

In a nutshell, I go with Wade in a must win because he lack fear and isn't afraid of the failure of missing or losing a game. Lebron still shows that weakness at times.

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As for the topic, I think Wade is hurt by the way he came back from that injury. He was a shell of himself for the postseason and next year. Then he came back and blew up and took a step back this year.

Lebron is more steady in his production and level of play, which is why he is seen as being better right now.

_KB24_
01-15-2010, 10:37 PM
People like to think Wade is the fastest player in the NBA, but he's not. Lebron is like a machine. Have you watched games where Lebron sprints up the court? Lebron can make 3 seconds seem like an eternity for how quick he is. Dwyane can, but not as well as Lebron. Put them in a lap sprint or something, and Lebron would win. Anyone else to think otherwise hasn't watched Lebron.

Wade is much faster with the ball in his hands when penetrating to the hoop. Lebron may be faster in the open court. Harris is the fastest guy in the league in all aspects.

Zefflin
01-15-2010, 10:39 PM
People like to think Wade is the fastest player in the NBA, but he's not. Lebron is like a machine. Have you watched games where Lebron sprints up the court? Lebron can make 3 seconds seem like an eternity for how quick he is. Dwyane can, but not as well as Lebron. Put them in a lap sprint or something, and Lebron would win. Anyone else to think otherwise hasn't watched Lebron.

Yes I have watched Lebron sprint up and down the court, what a stupid question. You said Lebron destroys Wade in speed and agility, which he doesn't. Then in your next post you talk about how quick Lebron is...speed, agility and quickness are 3 different things sir, little as they may be.

kntresistheheat
01-15-2010, 10:49 PM
I am a big lebron fan, but to say that lebron is way better than wade is just crazy! Remeber a great player makes your team better and that is what wade did in his first year in the league his third year and now since the heat has won the title clearly 'Lebron' has been a beast and the talk of the NBA!! Except for one of my other favorite players KOBE has sucessfully won the NBA title and still Lebron is the best player:rolleyes: Until Lebron wins his ring IMO he wont be better than Kobe or Wade!!! He will go down as one of the greatest players in the league along with kobe and wade, but wade has been playing with a bunch of nobodys for what 3 seasons???? Lebron has always had some kind of supporting cast, Give wade a supporting cast like he did when shaq was here and then lets talk!

Pierzynski4Prez
01-15-2010, 10:57 PM
I am a big lebron fan, but to say that lebron is way better than wade is just crazy! Remeber a great player makes your team better and that is what wade did in his first year in the league his third year and now since the heat has won the title clearly 'Lebron' has been a beast and the talk of the NBA!! Except for one of my other favorite players KOBE has sucessfully won the NBA title and still Lebron is the best player:rolleyes: Until Lebron wins his ring IMO he wont be better than Kobe or Wade!!! He will go down as one of the greatest players in the league along with kobe and wade, but wade has been playing with a bunch of nobodys for what 3 seasons???? Lebron has always had some kind of supporting cast, Give wade a supporting cast like he did when shaq was here and then lets talk!

you don't think that if lebron had Gasol, Odom, Bynum, etc, that he could win a title? That would be a team in the finals year after year. How about pairing him with Shaq when he was on the lakers in his prime?

Miami got a lot of help from the refs in their NBA finals, and if you believe anything Tim Donaghy says, the Heat were gift wrapped that title.

You also say Wade has been playing with a bunch of nobody's for 3 years. So what has he done in those 3 years besides being one of the worst teams 1 year and a 1st round exit, while Lebron has lead a team to the finals by himself.

You are just further proving your belief that the 15th best guy on a championship team is better than Lebron by saying what you are.

RadiantShot
01-15-2010, 10:58 PM
Yes I have watched Lebron sprint up and down the court, what a stupid question. You said Lebron destroys Wade in speed and agility, which he doesn't. Then in your next post you talk about how quick Lebron is...speed, agility and quickness are 3 different things sir, little as they may be.

Oh sorry, I don't take the time to look them up and find a common difference. But what I will tell you, just because I put in 'quick' for 'speed,' and 'agility,' Lebron would still dominate in all 3, weather you want to believe it or not. I know you guys love little Wade, but head-to-head, there wouldn't be much competition.

To refer to my question as 'stupid,' shows your ignorance. I'm pretty sure nobody refers to things as 'stupid' much anymore.

_KB24_
01-15-2010, 11:05 PM
you don't think that if lebron had Gasol, Odom, Bynum, etc, that he could win a title? That would be a team in the finals year after year. How about pairing him with Shaq when he was on the lakers in his prime?

Miami got a lot of help from the refs in their NBA finals, and if you believe anything Tim Donaghy says, the Heat were gift wrapped that title.

You also say Wade has been playing with a bunch of nobody's for 3 years. So what has he done in those 3 years besides being one of the worst teams 1 year and a 1st round exit, while Lebron has lead a team to the finals by himself.

You are just further proving your belief that the 15th best guy on a championship team is better than Lebron by saying what you are.

:facepalm: I'm not going to even say anything to that......

kntresistheheat
01-15-2010, 11:10 PM
you don't think that if lebron had Gasol, Odom, Bynum, etc, that he could win a title? That would be a team in the finals year after year. How about pairing him with Shaq when he was on the lakers in his prime?

Miami got a lot of help from the refs in their NBA finals, and if you believe anything Tim Donaghy says, the Heat were gift wrapped that title.

You also say Wade has been playing with a bunch of nobody's for 3 years. So what has he done in those 3 years besides being one of the worst teams 1 year and a 1st round exit, while Lebron has lead a team to the finals by himself.
You are just further proving your belief that the 15th best guy on a championship team is better than Lebron by saying what you are.



:facepalm: I wont even response!

kblo247
01-15-2010, 11:11 PM
you don't think that if lebron had Gasol, Odom, Bynum, etc, that he could win a title? That would be a team in the finals year after year. How about pairing him with Shaq when he was on the lakers in his prime?

Miami got a lot of help from the refs in their NBA finals, and if you believe anything Tim Donaghy says, the Heat were gift wrapped that title.

You also say Wade has been playing with a bunch of nobody's for 3 years. So what has he done in those 3 years besides being one of the worst teams 1 year and a 1st round exit, while Lebron has lead a team to the finals by himself.

You are just further proving your belief that the 15th best guy on a championship team is better than Lebron by saying what you are.

I want to touch on this.

I think a ring creates separation in 2 categories especially after a players career has gone on for a while.

Superstars are separated from superstars. As good as Malone, Barkley, Wilkins, Ewing, Stockton, Kidd, Nash, Iverson, McGrady, Miller, and so on were in their careers they won't even be thought of nearly the same as Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, or Russell.

That fact is accepted and that is why you see guys like KG, Payton, and even West and Wilt try their damnedest to win a ring.

The ring also separates role players, which is something people don't talk about. Role players like superstars can be grouped in an A or B tier. Fisher, Fox, Horry, Kerr, Cooper, Harper, Bowen, Posey, Kukoc, Cooper, and so on are in A because they have proven themselves time and time again when it matters most. Tier B is for guys like Kapono, Moon, Pietrius, Radmanovic, and guys who have made a name for themselves by playing their role but aren't winners.

Winning matters in sports and in the NBA a ring defines you.

Zefflin
01-15-2010, 11:11 PM
Oh sorry, I don't take the time to look them up and find a common difference. To refer to my question as 'stupid,' shows your ignorance. I'm pretty sure nobody refers to things as 'stupid' much anymore.

Oh man you're too much calling me ignorant. You asked me if I've seen Lebron sprint up and down the court...that's stupid. You call yourself a basketball fan and you don't know the difference between speed, agility and quickness. That's as stupid as your stupid question.

asandhu23
01-15-2010, 11:18 PM
Monta Ellis and LeBron James are the 2 fastest players in NBA

Fayzon10
01-15-2010, 11:20 PM
If you go just by rings, then 15th men on championship teams are better then Lebron lol. I go by the players performance straight up. I don't count rings or anything like that. just straight up performance.

Lebron is clearly the best player in the NBA. Nobody scores, rebounds, passes, steals, blocks, leads like he does. NOBODY!! I think alot of Sacramento Kings fans would disagree with you from 2000 to about 2005 the kings had a ridiculous team constantly winning the pacific and having the best record in the league but every year come playoff time same old shyte, they lose and it pisses kings fans off that they were so good and could not win a championship so yes winning is what guys play for. You can get all the regular season stats and awards you want but if you can't win a ship it means absolutely nothing ask any Kings fan..

prodigy
01-15-2010, 11:23 PM
Of course someone from Cleveland would not value winning a championship. But to the rest of the world, winning is what its all about. Lebron is the Al Jefferson of small forwards to me until he wins a ring. He could get all the empty stats in the world, it does not matter if you don't win jack. Why do you think Oscar Robertson is not in a lot of peoples top 10 and in no ones top 5 of all time list? He had 181 triple doubles in his career. Lebron only has 18. But at least Oscar got at least one championship out of it.

Lebron is not the best in any category this season, hes not leading in points, rebounds, assist, streals, blocks, fg% ft% and his team is not leading the league in wins, so yes, a lot of people can do everything he does and better.


wow thats really lame. Cowards take cheap shots at a city.

Championships is why you play the game. But we are talking about best player. If you count rings then Bobby Horry is better then Lebron, Kobe, wade etc... I love Bobby Horry, but he is not better then those guys.

is Trent Dilfer better then Dan Marino because he won a ring? no. You gotta Separate the too if you want to be fair.

Alot of people can do what lebron does and better? LOL can you point them my way. Because I want my cavs to sign them. I didn't say lebron was #1 in at the stats. name another guy who does as much as he does for a team?

JIDsanity
01-15-2010, 11:33 PM
Monta Ellis and LeBron James are the 2 fastest players in NBA

I think your forgetting about Dan Gadzuric. That guy is a stud

kntresistheheat
01-15-2010, 11:42 PM
The point is that Lebron is not WAY better than wade:rolleyes: Respectfully they are one of the best at their position and Lebron is younger and he will go down as one the best player in the NBA and will have plenty of chances to win multiple titles!! Wade is one of the greatest SG and I will tell you this he will win a couple of more titles.

heathonater
01-16-2010, 01:56 AM
yea, it's kind of odd wade has been given less media attention than lebron. both are young, talented, and good citizens. i really don't see why wade isn't even considered as good as lebron. i think lebron is great and all, but for him to become an all time great,lebron has to win three or more titles.

D Roses Bulls
01-16-2010, 05:06 AM
^^^

excellent thread. i dont comment many now adays but this one is a good one. this could be said the same with kobe and mj. in my opinion wade is better then lebron all around even though lebron is more dominant.

Mavrix
01-16-2010, 05:18 AM
Because if you straight up traded Lebron for Wade, Miami would be better than Cleveland.

Bullsfan22
01-16-2010, 07:07 AM
Lebron is the best player on the planet. great players are measured by rings but that is not all, seeing the winning a championship is the ultimate TEAM accomplishment.

Hawkeye15
01-16-2010, 03:29 PM
Because he is. Wade had a healthy Shaq, and played great during a playoff run that was a dream season for the Heat. But looking over their entire body of play, since they both came into the league, LeBron is so far above him it isn't even funny
Championships should not be measured to rank stars until their careers are over, and even then, their roster help must be examined in rational arguments. If LeBron came into the league with a young Shaq for instance, is there anyone (outside irrational Laker fans that is) who thinks LeBron wouldn't be strutting some hardware??
He came into an organization that was so pathetically run (and still is, sorry Cavs fans), and will either need to go MJ, or move to another team to win a ring

kozelkid
01-16-2010, 04:27 PM
I don't think the reality of Dwayne Wade winning a championship ever really sunk in with NBA fans.. Especially since the controversy that surrounded those Finals. I still get suprised when I'm reminded that Miami won that year. They haven't been to the ECF or even made much noise in the playoffs since then.

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because rings are only one part of the measurement,not the entire thing.and lebron beating wade out in everything except rings wins out

because its stupid way to measure because it depends on what team you have around you,so that ring thing is more a reflection of pat and ferry more than wade and lebron

that.