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Agent008
01-10-2010, 06:09 PM
The Wolves offered Jefferson for Granger, but were rejected. What does everyone think of this trade?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvoBnF7ig.W6tXzkGoBJC.W8vLYF?slug=aw-jeffersongranger011010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Raps18-19 Champ
01-10-2010, 06:11 PM
I think that's a legit trade offer.

Why does Minny want to trade him?

Raps18-19 Champ
01-10-2010, 06:12 PM
Z and Hickson for Jefferson.

Agent008
01-10-2010, 06:12 PM
I think that's a legit trade offer.

Why does Minny want to trade him?

The article says that Jefferson and Kevin Love don't get along. I also don't think that they are a good fit on the court, but that's just my opinion.

MiamiHeat
01-10-2010, 06:13 PM
maybe last season they would have accepted.

VCaintdead17
01-10-2010, 06:19 PM
Ehh, I'd rather keep Granger.

WITZ
01-10-2010, 06:20 PM
Indiana did the right thing rejecting this.

RaptorizedKevin
01-10-2010, 06:21 PM
it seems very fair. both granger andjefferson are always injuired.

tp13baby
01-10-2010, 06:22 PM
Z and Hickson for Jefferson.

:facepalm:
never

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 06:24 PM
:facepalm:
never

x2904789651894560

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 06:25 PM
But it's a pretty even trade both are great number 2 options.

roshan3ai
01-10-2010, 06:26 PM
It's not a bad offer. But Granger has crazy upside and is an awesome scorer

JordansBulls
01-10-2010, 06:27 PM
The Wolves offered Jefferson for Granger, but were rejected. What does everyone think of this trade?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvoBnF7ig.W6tXzkGoBJC.W8vLYF?slug=aw-jeffersongranger011010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Since Kevin Love is already gettting 15 and 12 it makes sense to trade Al. Bulls should trade Deng and Tyrus for Al Jefferson.

1-800-STFU
01-10-2010, 06:29 PM
Only way Bulls get him I think is if we give up Noah + picks. I wouldn't do that, Al Jeff at center isn't a very good idea.

Cubsfan365
01-10-2010, 06:31 PM
Z and Hickson for Jefferson.
Wow, you can't be serious

Mauersota
01-10-2010, 06:31 PM
If Jefferson gets traded I gotta say its going to be for a top 5 pick or for a non-big player who is on Jefferson's talent level ala Granger.

HouRealCoach
01-10-2010, 06:32 PM
Why dont they trade Love, Brewer, Rubio, Cardinal for Granger and pair Granger with Jefferson that would be a duo for years to come

Mauersota
01-10-2010, 06:32 PM
Why dont they trade Love, Brewer, Rubio, Cardinal for Granger and pair Granger with Jefferson that would be a duo for years to come

Horrible.

Eagles4Lyfe
01-10-2010, 06:32 PM
they want SG's in return not scrub centers.Al jefferson is one of the premier big men.Him and love can be like bosh and bargs but if they trade him getting a good 2 guard would make a lot of sense..

VCaintdead17
01-10-2010, 06:32 PM
Since Kevin Love is already gettting 15 and 12 it makes sense to trade Al. Bulls should trade Deng and Tyrus for Al Jefferson.

Why would the Wolves do this? You can't just make weak statements like that and get away with it. Neither Tyrus nor Love can play center so it would be redundant for Minny to trade Jefferson for another power forward. So that essentially makes it Deng for Al Jefferson. No way the Wolves do that. You can't be sold on a player just because he's played well for half a season and has potiental. Jefferson is a legit star. Get that **** out of here.

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 06:34 PM
Why would the Wolves do this? You can't just make weak statements like that and get away with it. Neither Tyrus nor Love can play center so it would be redundant for Minny to trade Jefferson for another power forward. So that essentially makes it Deng for Al Jefferson. No way the Wolves do that. You can't be sold on a player just because he's played well for half a season and has potiental. Jefferson is a legit star. Get that **** out of here.

U mad?

KG2TB
01-10-2010, 06:37 PM
He woke up on the wrong side of the bed today

Cubsfan365
01-10-2010, 06:37 PM
I would definitely not call Jefferson a "legit star." I love how you act like Deng is awful and Jefferson is amazing when Jefferson is at 17.7 ppg and 9.1 rpg, and Deng is at 17.2 ppg and 7.7 rpg. Yeah, that whole .5 ppg and 1.4 rpg more than Deng really makes Jefferson light years better...:rolleyes:

Ethix11
01-10-2010, 06:37 PM
It depends on the team. I would prefer Al over Granger..

Sixerlover
01-10-2010, 06:37 PM
So Big Al at the 4 and Hibbert at the 5? Can Al stay with the more athletic power forwards in the league on the defensive end? And will there be enough room in the paint for both Jefferson AND Hibbert?

twoearl
01-10-2010, 06:38 PM
Al reminds me a lot of Elton Brand. Not really athletic but just knows how to get his shot off. And just like Brand, Al cant be the #1 option on team trying to win a ring.

VCaintdead17
01-10-2010, 06:38 PM
U mad?

Why would you say that?

smith&wesson
01-10-2010, 06:39 PM
its hard to compare these two because they play different positions. but indiana has roy hibbert and has no need for al jef. thats prolly why they rejected.

Gibby
01-10-2010, 06:39 PM
wolves dont think Love and Jefferson are compatible and on some level similar. they also need a good wing player for the triangle offence.

Cubsfan365
01-10-2010, 06:39 PM
Why would the Wolves do this? You can't just make weak statements like that and get away with it. Neither Tyrus nor Love can play center so it would be redundant for Minny to trade Jefferson for another power forward. So that essentially makes it Deng for Al Jefferson. No way the Wolves do that. You can't be sold on a player just because he's played well for half a season and has potiental. Jefferson is a legit star. Get that **** out of here.
I would definitely not call Jefferson a "legit star." I love how you act like Deng is awful and Jefferson is amazing when Jefferson is at 17.7 ppg and 9.1 rpg, and Deng is at 17.2 ppg and 7.7 rpg. Yeah, that whole .5 ppg and 1.4 rpg more than Deng really makes Jefferson light years better... :rolleyes:

JordansBulls
01-10-2010, 06:40 PM
Only way Bulls get him I think is if we give up Noah + picks. I wouldn't do that, Al Jeff at center isn't a very good idea.

They have no use for Noah when they have Kevin Love. Bulls could give up Miller and Tyrus as well as a future 1st for him.

salimstoudamire
01-10-2010, 06:40 PM
That is a legit offer. It would be a tough decision in my eyes.

GSRaider
01-10-2010, 06:41 PM
how about andris and maggette for jefferson and a filler???

what do you guys think? who gets the better of this trade? would the wolves be interested?

Hustla23
01-10-2010, 06:41 PM
I think it's a fair trade for both sides.

Although it doesn't make much sense for Indiana considering they already have Hibbert who looks to be a stud.

VCaintdead17
01-10-2010, 06:42 PM
I would definitely not call Jefferson a "legit star." I love how you act like Deng is awful and Jefferson is amazing when Jefferson is at 17.7 ppg and 9.1 rpg, and Deng is at 17.2 ppg and 7.7 rpg. Yeah, that whole .5 ppg and 1.4 rpg more than Deng really makes Jefferson light years better... :rolleyes:

At this point, yes, their stats are comparable, but Jefferson has been putting up great numbers since he has come into the league and keeps getting better. This year is a little different though because of his season ending injury last year, he has gotten a little worse. But he is coming back to his old form slowly but surely. Are you implying that you would trade Deng for Jefferson straight up if the salaries work?

howiend
01-10-2010, 06:43 PM
Jefferson and Love make a very good tandem offensively. Yes, they have a hard time defensively but the wolves will pair another big man with them. I don't think al is going anywhere. He is also coming off surgery and it will take him more time to get back to full strength. There are not many inside post men who require a double team and al is one of them. If it wasn't for shaq and the nba wanting him at the all star game in phx last year al would have made the all star team. So it will take granger like talent to get him if he was traded.

Cubsfan365
01-10-2010, 06:46 PM
I think it's a fair trade for both sides.

Although it doesn't make much sense for Indiana considering they already have Hibbert who looks to be a stud.
Roy Hibbert has achieved the accomplishment of getting 5 fouls in 17 minutes or less 6 TIMES this year. How is that even possible?

Cubsfan365
01-10-2010, 06:49 PM
At this point, yes, their stats are comparable, but Jefferson has been putting up great numbers since he has come into the league and keeps getting better. This year is a little different though because of his season ending injury last year, he has gotten a little worse. But he is coming back to his old form slowly but surely. Are you implying that you would trade Deng for Jefferson straight up if the salaries work?
I'm not saying Deng for Jefferson straight up is fair for the T-Wolves because it's not. I'm just saying Deng isn't anywhere near as bad as you're making him out to be.

Raps18-19 Champ
01-10-2010, 06:49 PM
:facepalm:
never


x2904789651894560


Wow, you can't be serious

Obviously not.

But I bet the Cavs offer that.

saintdrew
01-10-2010, 06:52 PM
yeah i wouldn't trade granger for jefferson. the pacers already have hibbert and murphy. and i agree with bird wanting to build a core around granger, he is a do-it-all player.

i think al jefferson for david west and some players would be good. however, i want the hornets to acquire chris bosh.

1-800-STFU
01-10-2010, 06:55 PM
If they trade Jeff and don't get a big guy in return they'd have Ryan Hollins or Mark Blount starting at center possibly. Yeahhhh thats not a winning formula.

JNA17
01-10-2010, 06:59 PM
i would much rather have Granger. Al Jeff is not having a great season at all. And Granger has a much higher upside and is also a good defender.

1-800-STFU
01-10-2010, 07:00 PM
They have no use for Noah when they have Kevin Love. Bulls could give up Miller and Tyrus as well as a future 1st for him.

Not really, Noah is a true 5 and is something they really lack.

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 07:01 PM
If they trade Jeff and don't get a big guy in return they'd have Ryan Hollins or Mark Blount starting at center possibly. Yeahhhh thats not a winning formula.

Are you really saying Mark Blount is not a Proven All-Star...With Him at center Minny will make playoffs.

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 07:02 PM
Why would you say that?

Jb made a offer and you went postal.

Naptime?:)

Reyes6
01-10-2010, 07:04 PM
I am really confused because with their contracts it is impossible to trade Granger for Jefferson. There must have been other players/TE's involved.

Either way, Indiana needs more backcourt help... they already have a big contract in Murphy and they like Hibbert (as they should).

Reyes6
01-10-2010, 07:05 PM
Jb made a offer and you went postal.

Naptime?:)

Relax man, stay on topic and don't bait.

mavwar53
01-10-2010, 07:10 PM
Pretty even but jefferson won't last long in the league IMO.

Last time I watched him he looked like he had chris webber knees at age 35 yet jeff is only 24 or 25.

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 07:10 PM
Relax man, stay on topic and don't bait.



I was just joking with a fellow poster, wasn't baiting it had no facetious intent.

redsox1520
01-10-2010, 07:11 PM
Eh...
It would make the T-wolves better, adding a great all-around player, and putting it would allow them to get bigger too, by playing a true center next to Love...
Bad trade for the Pacers though... They already have Murphy, Hibbert and Hansbourgh

Slimsim
01-10-2010, 07:12 PM
Makes you wonder how Al Jefferson going to react after hearing the trade rumor.

Monta is beast
01-10-2010, 07:12 PM
i think it is a good trade but the T-Wolves should throw in a second round pick and cash

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 07:14 PM
I think it would need to be

Jefferson
Brewer
Gomes

for

Granger
Murphy
Hibbert

Toenail Clipper
01-10-2010, 07:15 PM
Maybe if they added another player with Jefferson, it could've happened.
Jefferson's been downgraded since his injury

Hugbees
01-10-2010, 07:18 PM
Since Kevin Love is already gettting 15 and 12 it makes sense to trade Al. Bulls should trade Deng and Tyrus for Al Jefferson.

you can't be serious either.

spreadeagle
01-10-2010, 07:22 PM
They got Hibbert,dont need Al Jeff

thedfactor
01-10-2010, 07:23 PM
Decent trade but I do think Granger is a more valuable all around player than Jefferson

HuRRiCaNeS324
01-10-2010, 07:25 PM
This should trade Love, not Jefferson.

Jays Claw
01-10-2010, 07:26 PM
Al Jefferson and Danny Granger are both on the same level. The proposed offer seemed pretty fair. However, the Pacers have an up and coming big man in Roy Hibbert and didn't really need Al Jefferson. In my opinion, both players would be perfect second options. They also seem to have problems with their knees. Something to look out for when trading for them.

cardinals1226
01-10-2010, 07:39 PM
I think it would need to be

Jefferson
Brewer
Gomes

for

Granger
Murphy
Hibbert

Could you stack the trade in favor of the Timberwolves anymore? That is a terrible trade for the Pacers.

topdog
01-10-2010, 07:54 PM
This should trade Love, not Jefferson.

I like Al a lot but Love is cheaper, fits better with the triangle and is more versatile (I never was a big fan either and this is what i'm saying). Plus, Jefferson is proven and has a bigger contract meaning he could net higher value in a trade.


They got Hibbert,dont need Al Jeff

I disagree with the group of you all expressing the above sentiment. Seems to me they'd be a good fit because they are halfcourt style players and Jefferson has a jumper he could improve to make it work. Meanwhile, a more athletic big ala Derrick Favors could fit well in the fastbreak triangle.

The trade sounds pretty even but Pacers have no reason to trade away Granger for equal value right now.

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 08:07 PM
Could you stack the trade in favor of the Timberwolves anymore? That is a terrible trade for the Pacers.



How about...

Jefferson
Gomes
Brewer
Hollins
Flynn


for

Granger
Murphy
Head
Rush

DRE'-MAC
01-10-2010, 08:10 PM
How about...

Al Jefferson and Corey Brewer for Danny Granger, Jeff Foster and Travis Diener

T-Wolves Depth
C: Jeff Foster/Ryan Hollins/Mark Blount/Brian Cardinal
PF: Kevin Love/Oleksiy Pecherov/Nathan Jawai
SF: Danny Granger/Ryan Gomes/Alando Tucker
SG: Wayne Ellington/Damien Wilkins/Sasha Pavlovic
PG: Jonny Flynn/Ramon Sessions
*Travis Diener is bought out

Pacers Depth Chart
C: Al Jefferson/Roy Hibbert/Solomon Jones
PF: Troy Murphy/Tyler Hansbrough/Josh McRoberts
SF: Mike Dunleavy/Dahntay Jones
SG: Corey Brewer/Luther Head/Brandon Rush
PG: Earl Watson/TJ Ford/AJ Price

WSU Tony
01-10-2010, 09:41 PM
Jefferson and Brewer for Granger and contracts? I'd probably give that a go.

Flynn
X
Granger
Love
X

That's a pretty good core to build around considering the Wolves have Rubio to trade along with 3 first rounders this year....

cardinals1226
01-10-2010, 09:42 PM
How about...

Jefferson
Gomes
Brewer
Hollins
Flynn


for

Granger
Murphy
Head
Rush

Still not a very good trade. I'd rather the Pacers keep Granger. If there was to be one Granger, Murphy, Diener for Jefferson, Flynn, Cardinal would be far more beneficial for the Pacers.

WSU Tony
01-10-2010, 09:50 PM
How about Jefferson and Rubio for Granger and the Pacers 1st rounder....

WSU Tony
01-10-2010, 09:53 PM
Worst case scenario is we walk away with Turner and Aldrich.

Flynn
Turner
Granger
Love
Aldrich

All we have to do is move some of these assets around and we have a nice young team....

Nighthawk
01-10-2010, 10:03 PM
How about Jefferson and Rubio for Granger and the Pacers 1st rounder....

Granger AND the pacers 1st??

Granger is a top 5 sf in the league no doubts in my mind. All star player for years to come. Im surprised Minny is giving up on BIG Al. I would get rid of Kevin Love before i traded big al. Then again Jefferson will bring u a much larger package of players.

WSU Tony
01-10-2010, 10:08 PM
Granger AND the pacers 1st??

Granger is a top 5 sf in the league no doubts in my mind. All star player for years to come. Im surprised Minny is giving up on BIG Al. I would get rid of Kevin Love before i traded big al. Then again Jefferson will bring u a much larger package of players.

Wrong, and wrong.

jimbobjarree
01-10-2010, 10:10 PM
i can see an al jeff-kevin martin type deal happening

Nighthawk
01-10-2010, 10:12 PM
Wrong, and wrong.

you think minnesota could get more from teams if they traded kevin love? This guys best ability is a chest pass.

Nighthawk
01-10-2010, 10:13 PM
i can see an al jeff-kevin martin type deal happening

Sounds fair. However Kings have Thompson and Hawes who have both played well.

xbrackattackx
01-10-2010, 10:31 PM
Still not a very good trade. I'd rather the Pacers keep Granger. If there was to be one Granger, Murphy, Diener for Jefferson, Flynn, Cardinal would be far more beneficial for the Pacers.

Yea, That's not a bad Trade money wise. But I want Granger to stay with the pacers also.

clehmun
01-10-2010, 11:13 PM
i think al jefferson is better than danny granger. but thats just me.
a great post scorer is always harder to find than a great shooting perimeter player.

both are injury prone. both are more like 2nd options. but al jefferson is more of a "franchise player" than granger imho.

jimbobjarree
01-10-2010, 11:15 PM
Sounds fair. However Kings have Thompson and Hawes who have both played well.

pretty sure they wouldnt say no to Al Jeff. They have 3 nice young bigs, but nobody like what Al Jeff would bring to the table for them.

PurpleJesus
01-10-2010, 11:25 PM
where does everyone get this idea that Jefferson is injury prone? He had one major injury last year, thats it for his career.

brandonwarne52
01-10-2010, 11:47 PM
you think minnesota could get more from teams if they traded kevin love? This guys best ability is a chest pass.

Rebounding isn't a skill? Apparently neither is reading in your neck of the woods.

b_rad23
01-11-2010, 12:23 AM
Rebounding isn't a skill? Apparently neither is reading in your neck of the woods.

love most likely wouldn't bring in as much as Al Jeff, from a 3rd person perspective.


pretty sure they wouldnt say no to Al Jeff. They have 3 nice young bigs, but nobody like what Al Jeff would bring to the table for them.

Yup, he's a huge upgrade, regardless of having two average young bigs.

BkOriginalOne
01-11-2010, 12:36 AM
Good reject for Al Jefferson.
It seems they will only move Jefferson if they can get back a young star in return - good luck.

Joethecolt
01-11-2010, 12:37 AM
why would the pacers want another big.

topdog
01-11-2010, 12:52 AM
why would the pacers want another big.

Umm... because Hibbert is the only decent big they have and he still has a long ways to go.

eric1501
01-11-2010, 12:51 PM
you think minnesota could get more from teams if they traded kevin love? This guys best ability is a chest pass.

You don't know anything it looks like.

eric1501
01-11-2010, 12:55 PM
love most likely wouldn't bring in as much as Al Jeff, from a 3rd person perspective.



Yup, he's a huge upgrade, regardless of having two average young bigs.

Love would bring in more than Al Jeff. Why does everyone think just because Love is a white dude he isn't that good? I can't wait until Sota is on national TV a couple times. Does anyone not see that Love is 2nd in the league (once eligible) in rebounding in his 2nd season? 20 year old white dude must be good. Dorrell Wright is the future though?

Heyyo1900
01-11-2010, 01:10 PM
The Pacers fans actually like Granger and that could be the end of Bird era in Indy if that trade were to happen. With as much trouble as the Pacers organization has gone through recently I don't believe they thought twice about rejecting this trade offer.

JOSKOMANG4
01-11-2010, 01:12 PM
Bulls acquire PF AL Jefferson from the T'Wolves for SF Luol Deng.

T'Wolves outlook:

C) R.Hollins/N.Jawai/M.Blount
PF) K.Love/B.Cardinal/N.Pecherov
SF)L.Deng/D.Wilkins
SG) R.Brewer/S.Pavlovic
PG) R.Sessions/J.Flynn(6th man)

Bulls:

C) J.Noah/B.Miller/A.Gray/J.James
PF) A.Jefferson/T.Thomas
SF) T.Gibson/J.Johnson
SG) J.Salmons/K.Hinrich(6th man)/L.Hunter
PG) D.Rose/J.Pargo

I'd believe this would be a perfect fit for both squads IMO.

JOSKOMANG4
01-11-2010, 01:15 PM
With the trade proposal & roster outlook above me.. The Bulls would be inclined to offer D.Wade the max contract,, especially with Thomas,Miller James, Gray,Hunter, and Salmons off the books next season!

C) Noah
PF) AL.Jefferson
SF) T.Gibson
SG) D.Wade
PG) D.Rose.

6th man- Hinrich.

Wisdom Listens
01-11-2010, 01:18 PM
I would definitely not call Jefferson a "legit star." I love how you act like Deng is awful and Jefferson is amazing when Jefferson is at 17.7 ppg and 9.1 rpg, and Deng is at 17.2 ppg and 7.7 rpg. Yeah, that whole .5 ppg and 1.4 rpg more than Deng really makes Jefferson light years better...:rolleyes:

Those numbers are a little deceiving considering Jefferson is coming off major knee surgery.

$ NyC $
01-11-2010, 01:30 PM
I put both players in the same Boat but i honestly think Granger is a little over-rated. He use to be one of my fav. players and then it seemed to have gotten to his head. He also jacks up waay too many 3's.

Hollasoren
01-11-2010, 01:35 PM
I say the thunder make a move for him there a great bigman away from being a playoff threat.
PG-Westbrook
SG-Harden
SF-Durant
PF-Green
C-Jefferson

masalex1205
01-11-2010, 01:45 PM
With the trade proposal & roster outlook above me.. The Bulls would be inclined to offer D.Wade the max contract,, especially with Thomas,Miller James, Gray,Hunter, and Salmons off the books next season!

C) Noah
PF) AL.Jefferson
SF) T.Gibson
SG) D.Wade
PG) D.Rose.

6th man- Hinrich.

I think Salmons has a player option for next year. Also, they could easily move Hinrich for expirings if they wanted to and get even more room.

chicagocubsfan
01-11-2010, 02:06 PM
chris paul and posey to the wolves for jefferson, flynn, the rights to rubio, and brewer.

Lakers4ItAll
01-11-2010, 02:23 PM
Granger is a stud then again so is Al

Dee_Edge
01-11-2010, 02:34 PM
T-Mac
J. Taylor
4
Brian Card
Al J
Corey Brewer

Blow it up right Minne!!

topdog
01-11-2010, 02:48 PM
Oh gosh! This is what it devolves into? A proposed fair trade proposal of Big Al for Granger based on better fit results in all kinds of crappy proposals involving mediocre east teams. They don't have to trade Al, they will trade him for a young rising star.

vash9
01-11-2010, 05:43 PM
the players are both legit.

but it all comes down to i think the players position of the team needs.

maybe Pacers needed an SF so they kept him. I just read that Bird wanted to build around Granger.

But that would have been a good trade. not a steal. but a good trade.

Robbw241
01-11-2010, 09:56 PM
They gotta make room for Henk so why not.

DerekRE_3
01-11-2010, 09:56 PM
They gotta make room for Henk so why not.

HENK!!!!!!

Rubio
Granger
Henk

dynasty

Skylander14
01-11-2010, 10:42 PM
Granger for jefferson would be pretty fair since Granger is a year older, and big men who can score and rebound like jefferson aren't easy to find and his numbers are much lower this year because he is still recovering from knee surgery less than a year ago. also the salaries don't match(BYC for Granger) I think the trade would have to be more like
Al Jefferson + Ramon Sessions
for
Danny Granger + T.J. Ford
Sessions is an extra incentive to make the deal for Indiana and plus they lose 3 mil in salary
Indiana could ship out murphy to Cavs for a pick n Z's EC or a better offer after the trade n really start the rebuilding process with Hibbert, Al, Sessions, rush, and price as the young nucleus as well as Hansborough
as for Minny they can use Hollins and Pecherov at C til the offseason (when Pekovic comes)they aren't making the playoffs this year anyway and both would work better with Love anyway because Hollins is a really athletic 7 footer and Pecherov can shoot from outside and play down low so I think really it could be a win win